Jun 22, 2021 Landmarks Commission

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>>> I'D LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE PRESENT THAT THIS -- KEEP GOING? OKAY. THAT THIS COMMISSION MEETS IN CONFIRMANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.

THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS SET FORTH BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1.7.1 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS IS A RECOMMEND GOING COMMISSION.

ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND THE APPROVAL AND THE DENIAL BY THE COMMISSION.

OUR OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF THE CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES AND LANDS DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE OF UNIQUE, HISTORIC, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL VALUE. WE'LL START BY REVIEWING THE

[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving the Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on April 27, 2021.]

ANY CHANGES? IT WILL STAND AS WRITTEN, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE A VOTE ON THE MINUTE. AND SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES AND THEN HAVE -- AND THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A

SECOND AND VOTE. >> OKAY.

>> YOU CAN ALL DO A VOICE VOTE, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, INSTEAD

OF A ROLL CALL. >> OKAY.

SO NO DISCUSSION. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL START WITH CADENY 2021-01.

[2. CA-2021-01: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a request for Certificate of Appropriateness for an addition to the residence at 1134 Grand Avenue]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, AFTERNOON. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF THE ABILENE.

TESS IT'S FOR A -- IT'S FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AT 1234 GRAND AVENUE. THIS PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED THE PRESLEY ANDERSON HOUSE. IT WAS BUILT IN 1945.

THE ARCHITECT IS UNKNOWN. IT IS A 1 1/2 STORY COLONIAL REVIVAL. IT'S CHARACTERIZED BY THREE BAY AND HIGHLIGHTED BY THREE GABLED DORMERS.

THE THREE BAY IS THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF IT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE FACADE. IT HAS A FULL-SPAN PORCH ALONG THE FRONT OF IT. AND IT ALSO HAS A DETACHED GARAGE, THAT WAS BUILT IN 1947. AT THE TIME OF HISTORIC OVERLAY, IN 2015, ORDINANCE NUMBER 36-2015 THEY CONSIDERED THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE TO BE HISTORIC, RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE AN 18X14 PORCH, LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED AND STRIPED IN YELLOW. YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE AT THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER, ALSO A LITTLE CARPORT IN THE FRONT.

THE CARPORT IS NOT CONSIDERED HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING, BUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY HAS HISTORIC OVERLAY.

THIS IS JUST A ZONING MAP INDICATING THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND HERE IS THE PORCH THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT IS I BELIEVE NOT HERE TODAY.

SHE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY. BUT I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THERE'S THE PORCH. THE ACTUAL PORCH AREA IS ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, BUT THIS ADDITION ON TO IT IS NEW, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT. THEY PLANNED ON MOVING THEIR -- HER MOTHER AND FATHER INTO THIS PORCH AREA.

IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BE A MOTHER-IN-LAW'S CORNER.

THEY WANT TO EXPAND THIS. THE PORCH IS ACTUALLY ROUGHLY 14X15 FEET. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE PORCH AN ADDITIONAL 3 FEET TO BE 18X14 AND BUILD IT UP.

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SHE CAN'T USE THE EXACT SIDING. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIDING.

AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT SIDING HAS ASBESTOS WITHIN IT. SO THIS IS AS CLOSE AS SHE CAN GET IT. SHE WANTS TO USE DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS, SIMILAR TO THE WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. AND SHE WANTS TO USE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT DOOR TO IT.

AND SHE PLANS ON PAINTING IT, EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE EXTENSION OF THE DECK RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A BATHROOM WITHIN IT.

AND IT'S GOING TO LEAD OFF -- YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AT THE BACK WHERE THE SOUTHERN-MOST PORTION OF THIS, THE EXISTING DOOR IN RELATION TO IT. JUST CLICK BACK AND FORWARD HERE, SO YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

SO STAFF REVIEWED THIS, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.3.4.4F OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROCEDURE FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

WE ALSO REVIEWED THIS AND WE WERE GUIDED BY THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF

YOUR QUESTIONS. >> FRAMING THAT WE SAW, THE NONHISTORICAL FRAMING. IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE FRAMING OF THE NEW RAY DECISION? OR WILL THIS BE REMOVED WHEN THE NEW ADDITION IS FRAMED?

>> I BELIEVE THE -- THIS WILL BE REMOVED.

CURRENTLY THIS IS JUST TO STOP THE WATER FROM RUNNING OFF INTO THE CURRENT PATIO. THIS IS JUST TEMPORARY IN

NATURE. >> OKAY.

>> SHE PLANS ON USING THE SAME TYPE OF SHINGLES.

THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIALS, BESIDES THE ASBESTOS MATERIALS.

>> AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WILL DISTINGUISH THIS CONSTRUCTION SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL, SO AS NOT TO BE MISCONTRUED AS HISTORIC IN NATURE?

>> OTHER THAN THE USE OF NEWER PRODUCTS, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SEE. WE'LL DO A FOLLOW-UP JUST TO VERIFY, IF APPROVED. BUT BASED OFF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND WHAT SHE IS PROPOSING, I THINK THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SHE CAN MATCH THIS AS CLOSE AS IN CHARACTER. IF SHE WAS HERE TO SUPPORT THIS AND SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE INFORMATION.

LIKE I SAID SHE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION IS THE ADDITION GOING TO STRETCH THE

ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. FROM THE SKETCH?

>> FROM THIS ACTUAL CURRENT PHOTO, THAT WAS TAKEN, THIS IS KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THIS. WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.

BUT THIS ACTUAL PATIO COVER IS TEMPORARY.

>> BUT SHE'S COMING OUT. >> YEAH.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE CURRENT FOUNDATION TERMINATES.

IT'S GOING TO EXTEND TOWARDS WHERE THOSE NEW POLES ARE LOCATED. AND THAT'S WHERE THE DECK AND THE BATHROOM IS GOING TO BE LOCATED.

SO THE CURRENT FOUNDATION EXTENDS AS CLOSE TO THE CLOSET AND HALLWAY. AND IT TERMINATES THERE AND IT WILL BE BEAM LIFTED UP AT THE DECK AND THE BATHROOM AREA.

>> OKAY. I'M GETTING MORE CONFUSED.

>> IS THE BATHROOM ALREADY THERE?

>> NO, MA'AM. IT IS NOT THERE.

THE BATHROOM IS GOING TO BE LOCATED -- IF YOU SEE IN THIS PHOTO, THOSE TWO TUBS RIGHT THERE, THOSE BLUE -- THE BLUE TUB AND THAT PURPLE TUB. IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THAT, IN BETWEEN THE STAIRCASE THERE AND WHERE YOU SEE THOSE MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL BOXES THERE.

>> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLANS AGAIN.

>> SURE. >> SO THIS ADDITION IS GOING TO BE GOING ACROSS THE FULL WIDTH OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OR JUST

THAT ONE PORTION, THE PORCH? >> JUST -- WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS

PORCH IS THE ONLY ADDITION. >> OKAY.

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>> YEAH. >> FILLING IN THE OPEN -- WHAT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW, SHE'S ENCLOSING TO A ROOM AND A BATHROOM.

>> YES. >> YOUR QUESTION HAD ME THROWN OFF. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SKETCH, IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO GO ACROSS THE BACK.

THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. SHE'S DOING JUST DOING THE ONE OPEN SPACE, THAT'S CURRENTLY THE COVERED PORCH.

>> CORRECT. >> SHE'S JUST ENCLOSING THAT.

>> CORRECT. >> SO IS THERE ANY SKETCHES OF WHAT THE WINDOWS WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE --

>> THERE ARE NO SKETCHES. >> OKAY.

>> SO ARE THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ORIGINAL?

>> YES, THEY ARE ORIGINAL. >> SO THEY'RE WOOD?

>> THEY'RE WOOD WINDOWS. >> SO THE NEW ONES WILL BE WOOD,

DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS? >> I'M NOT TOO SURE ON THAT.

THEY MAY BE A VINYL-TYPE WINDOW, SIMILAR -- I DID GIVE HER SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM DIFFERENT COMPANIES, SUCH AS MARVIN WINDOWS AND SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT WERE ADDED AT THE WINDSOR HOTEL. BUT SHE DID NOT PROVIDE ME WITH ANY TYPE OF ITEM NUMBERS OR MODEL NUMBERS.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

I'M SURE SETBACKS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND THE CITY HAS

REVIEWED THIS? >> IT ACTUALLY IS NOT.

WITHIN YOUR PACKET THERE'S A SURVEY -- WITHIN YOUR PACKET.

IT INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY LINES.

THAT FENCE I BELIEVE IS TEMPORARY IN NATURE.

THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY PLACED UP THERE.

>> I PERSONALLY THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

I ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF NOT USING ORIGINAL-STYLE WINDOWS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS A LITTLE BIT DISTINCT FROM THE HISTORIC.

SO I'M SATISFIED. >> OKAY.

>> I THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THIS COULD BE REALLY CHANGING UP THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, DRIVING IN FRONT YOU CAN ONLY SEE JUST A PORTION OF THAT FROM THE STREET.

AND THEN IN THE ALLEY IT'S ALL BAMBOO, YOU KNOW, IT'S 20 FEET TALL. AND SO YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM THE ALLEY. AND SO I THINK IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, FITTING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO ADD ON TO THE HOUSE.

I WAS MORE AT EASE ONCE I DROVE AROUND IT TODAY.

>> ONE THING I DIDN'T NOTICE IS THE COLUMNS ARE ALREADY COMPROMISED. THE BEAM GOING ACROSS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE.

IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO.

BUT MY -- I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE EXISTING FRAMING WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INSPECTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY. WHAT'S THERE I FEEL LIKE IS --

IT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION. >> WITH THIS ADDITION, HER OR THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR PERMITS FOR THIS.

AND EVERYTHING WILL BE INSPECTED.

>> I WONDER WHYTHY DIDN'T CONSIDER USING THE GARAGE AND MAKING THAT THE MOTHER'S, YOU KNOW, AREA OF THE HOUSE, OF THE.

ENCLOSING THAT PORCH. I GUESS THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT THE BEST FOR THEM. AND MIGHT STILL NEED TO HAVE A GARAGE AS WELL. SO, YEAH, I GUESS I'M HAPPY,

TOO. >> OKAY.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING, FIRST. IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK.

>> SO I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC. ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

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[3. HOZ-2021-01: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a request to add Historic Overlay to a residence at 702 Sayles Drive]

WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT AND HOLD A DISCUSSION ON A PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST TO ADD HISTORIC OVERLAY TO A RESIDENCE AT 702 SAYLES DRIVE.

-- DRIVE. >> ONCE AGAIN NICK WATTS, I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS CASE. THIS IS FOR HISTORIC OVERLAY REQUEST ON BEHALF OF TRACY MORGAN MCNEIL AND DAN STEVEN.

THIS IS TO ADD HISTORIC OVERLAY TO 702 SAYLES DRIVE.

THIS IS ALSO A COLONIAL REVIVAL, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CASE.

THIS RESIDENCE WAS BUILT IN 1926.

WE COULD NOT FIND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARCHITECT.

IT IS ALL FRAMED, SUPPORTED AS IN THIS FOUNDATION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A RED BRICK EXTERIOR.

THE FRONT FACADE HAS A PORTICO AND SQUARED COLUMNS, THAT WERE PAINTED WHITE. THERE'S AN ATTACHED CARPORT ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF SOUTH 7TH STREET.

AND THERE'S ALSO A DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDING, WHICH IS UTILIZED AS A GARAGE. BOTH OF WHICH APPEAR TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT A LATER DATE. BUT BOTH ARE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR -- IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE RESIDENCE.

THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESSORY STORAGE STRUCTURE AND A SWIMMING POOL, LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

BOTH OF WHICH WE CONSIDER AS NONCONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE SITE. WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING ISED A HISTORIC OVERLAY TO THE SITE. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED AND STRIPED IN YELLOW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT SAYLES DRIVE IS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE STREET.

AND THE SOUTH 7TH STREET IS TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP INDICATING THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IS RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS AN RS12 DISTRICT WITH SOME R6 DISTRICTS TO THE NORTH. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PORTICO I WAS REFERRING TO AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE.

THE FRONT DOOR IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

THE NEW OWNERS WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO FIND THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR AND REPLACED IT WITH THE DOOR THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.

THE PHOTO THAT I SHOW ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S VERY FAINT. YOU CAN SEE SOME MORTAR LINE ALONG IT, NEAR THE -- KIND OF NEAR THE FIREPLACE THERE.

NOT SURE IF THERE WAS EVER AN ADDITION TO THIS HOUSE OR IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO DO SOME TYPE OF WORK.

BUT MAYBE THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT.

AND THERE IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE'S THE CARPORT.

THAT IS UTILIZED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THERE'S SEVERAL PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.

I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FENCE THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY. IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AS WELL. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE A PORTION OF THE POOL, WITHIN THOSE TWO PHOTOS.

THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE LOCATED IN THE BACK.

WHAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING ABOUT THIS HOUSE IS THE SLATE TILE ROOF LOCATED ON TOP OF IT. NOT SURE IF THAT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO THE RESIDENCE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY WITH WEST TEXAS HAIL. ONE OF THE OTHER INTERESTING PARTS OF THIS WAS THAT THIS WAS -- THIS PROPERTY WAS ADDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED LIST OF HISTORIC PROP PROPERTIES FROM 1.

THIS WAS ADDED BACK IN 1999. 702 SAYLES DRIVE.

AND THEN I WAS ALSO ABLE TO FIND A NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE TEXAS COMMISSION DESIGNATED THE SALES DISTRICT AS A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT 702 SAYLES DRIVE WAS ALSO A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WITHIN THAT. THIS IS NOT A LOCAL DESIGNATION.

THIS IS STRICTLY A NATIONAL DESIGNATION.

BUT IT IS DEFINITELY INTERESTING.

THIS WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2.4.4 OF THE LAND

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STAFF IS CONSCIOUS BELIEVES THAT THIS PROPERTY EMBODIES CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE DISTINCT TO THE TIME, PERIOD, TYPE OR METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE.

AND THEN ALSO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH REPRESENTS THE DISTINCTIVE AND FAMILIAR VISUAL FEATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR OF THE CITY.

AND THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE, THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.

NOT OVERLAY BUT -- I BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> YEAH. YOU MENTIONED YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS ADDED ON TO ON THE WEST SIDE.

BUT, YEAH, THAT WAS ADDED ON YOU WERE MENTIONING THE BRICKS WERE CHANGED. BECAUSE YOU USED TO WALK OUT ON TO A BALCONY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IT WAS REALLY A LONG WAYS DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR.

THAT USED TO BE LOOKING OUTSIDE THE HOUSE.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH.

IT'S ALL BEEN DONE SO NICELY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I

HAD. >> COOL.

>> ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC NOW. ALL RIGHT.

AND WE WILL CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

A MOTION. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> OKAY. >> SORRY, I BEAT YOU TO IT.

>> SECOND THEN. >> LET'S THROW IN THE CITIZEN KING. ANOTHER PLUS FOR THE HOUSE.

>> YES. YES, I SECOND.

>> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES.

>> SO YOU CAN ADJOURN THE READING, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO

OTHER BUSINESS. >> ALL R

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.