15. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action to Approve a Task Order with Corgan for Design and Construction Management of an Airport Terminal Interior Improvements Project (Don Green)

[15. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action to Approve a Task Order with Corgan for Design and Construction Management of an Airport Terminal Interior Improvements Project (Don Green)]

>> WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 15 AND WE WILL ASK THE MAN IN CHARGE THIS MORNING, JOHN GREEN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

>> GOOD MORNING COUNSEL. DON GREEN. DIRECTOR OF SERVICES.

WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF AND THE AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT BOARD ARE EAGER TO GET STARTED AND THOSE ARE THE FIRST, WE ARE FILING IN THE ELITE PHASE OF IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE AND THIS WILL OPEN THE PATH FORWARD TO THE INTERIOR OF THE TERMINAL. SO, IN 2018 THE CITY OF ABILENE CONTRACTED WITH CORGAN AND ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN THE DALLAS AREA AND FOR AIRPORT ARCHITECTURE WORK THAT INCLUDES INTERIOR RENOVATIONS AND WE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT TO US A TASK ORDER FOR THIS PHASE AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM ON THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS SO, THAT IS TO DESIGN THE LOWER LEVEL RESTROOM UPDATES AND PAINTING OF THE INTERIOR OF THE TERMINAL TO BRIGHTEN IT UP AND REMOVE THE EMPTY GIFT SHOP AREA IN THE LOBBY ON THE UPPER LEVEL.

THERE'S ALSO DESIGN ELEMENTS IN CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR BID AUCTION WHERE WE DO GET TO THE POINT OF GETTING CONSTRUCTION WORK THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE UPPER LEVEL RESTROOMS THAT ARE IN THE OPEN LOBBY AREA AND THEN SOME EXPANSION OF THE AIRPORT ADMINISTRATIVE SPACES SO WE CAN HAVE OUR SECURITY BADGE TRAINING UPSTAIRS. THIS TASK ORDER HAS BEEN RENEGOTIATED SEVERAL TIMES AND WE ARE AT 160,000 FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT. WE ARE GOING TO USE SOME OF THE 2018 PROP NINE FUNDS THAT WERE DESIGNATED TO THE AIRPORT IMPROVEMENTS TO PAY FOR THIS AND TO PAY FOR THE BULK OF THIS PROJECT. IN THIS PICTURE IS A SHOT OF THE LOWER-LEVEL MEN'S RESTROOM. IT IS VERY DATED. THIS WAS ORIGINAL TO THE 1968 BUILD OF THE TERMINAL. THERE'VE BEEN SOME UPDATES BUT NONE WITHIN THE LAST 17 ALMOST 18 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE.

IT LOOKS OLD AND TIRED. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT BUT THIS IS THE MODERNIZATION OF WHAT WAS DEFINED WITH THIS NEW DESIGN.

AND WE WILL BE DOING BOTH MEN'S AND WOMEN'S RESTROOMS DOWNSTAIRS. THIS IS A SHOT TOWARDS THE BAGGAGE AREA OF THE LOWER-LEVEL. IT IS VERY DARK AND HEAVY. ALL BROWN TONES AND WE WANT TO BRIGHTEN IT UP. WE HAVE ASKED FOR A CONCEPT OF THAT WITH A WHITE AND BLACK COLOR SCHEME. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU CAN TELL IT BRIGHTENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

THIS IS A GIFT SHOP AREA AND IT IS EMPTY. IT HAS BEEN OCCUPIED SEVERAL TIMES BUT IT SITS EMPTY AND IT IS TOO BIG OF AN AREA FOR THAT TERMINAL. WE WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT AND OPEN THIS

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UPPER LEVEL UP. AND I SEE THAT I FEEL RELIEVED OF BEING ABLE TO LOOK THROUGHOUT THAT LOWER OR UPPER-LEVEL. IT WOULD BE THE RESTAURANT OR THE FRONT DOORS AND IT JUST OPENS IT UP.

HE GIVES PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SEE WHEN THEY WALK IN WHERE THE CHECK IN HIS. THIS IS THE GATE AREA THE IS UNDERSIZED FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE TODAY. IT WILL SIT 60 AT THE MOST AND WHILE WE ARE NOT AT THE POINT OF EXPANDING THE GATE AREA YET, IT IS A FUTURE PROJECT. IT WILL AGAIN BRIGHTEN THAT AREA UP AND WE HAVE NEW FURNITURE THAT WAS DELIVERED IN JUNE THROUGHOUT THE TERMINAL AND YOU SAW THAT IN THE ORIGINAL PICTURE. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN HOW BRIGHT THAT AREA BECOMES WITH THE PAINTING THAT WE WILL DO IN THERE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE

HAVE. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO DON GREEN REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> IN THE RESTROOMS WILL WE HAVE NEW FIXTURES?

>> YES. >> ARE WE INCREASING THE

SEATING AND HOLDING AREA? >> NOT IN THIS SPACE. WE ARE JUST PAINTING THAT AREA. MOST OF THIS IS JUST AESTHETICS EXCEPT IN THE RESTROOM WORK. AGAIN, IT IS THE FIRST STEP OF

SEVERAL PHASES. >> MORE QUESTIONS FOR DON GREEN? AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM JUST SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU COUNSEL. YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE RENOVATIONS DOES THAT INCLUDE LIGHTING? I DIDN'T HEAR IT IN THE PRESENTATION AND IF SO WOULD IT BE LED LIGHTING? LED LIGHTING WOULD LIGHTEN UP ANY AREA THAT YOU HAVE COMPARED TO THE STANDARD INCANDESCENT LIGHT AND HE SAID THE TERMINAL WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1968 AND I'M SURE EVEN IF YOU TAKE REGULAR EDISON SOCKETS AND YOU PUT IN LED STANDARD EDISON BULBS IT WILL BRIGHTEN UP THE AREA. I HOPE YOU HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BUT YOU SAID IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND MAYBE I MISSED IT. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING PLUS YOU WILL SAY ENERGY FROM THE TAXPAYERS, TOO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT. WE ARE NOW LED LIGHTS IN THE TERMINAL AS THAT WAS PART OF A PACKAGE OF THE ELECTRICAL SAVINGS THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WE COMPLETED THAT IN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS BUT IT INCLUDED RETROFITTING THE LIGHT FIXTURES IN ALL OF THE TERMINALS.

>> THIS IS STILL A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? C KNOWSNO ONE I WILL CLOSE THIS. COUNSEL DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SHANE PRICE AND HIS SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TRAVIS CRAVER. WE ARE READY TO VOTE. [VOTING] THE MOTION

[17. Presentation: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on the City of Abilene Pavement Evaluation, 2021 (Max Johnson)]

CARRIES. >> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 17 AND THIS IS MAX JOHNSON ON RECORD FOR US. GOOD MORNING MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS MORNING IN FRONT OF YOU WE HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL BRIEFING THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN SELECTING THE STREETS AND PAVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE STREETS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY WE WILL BE PRESENTING SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THAT DATA. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY SHOWING THIS MAP IT IS A MAP OF THE COMPLETED PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

DIFFERENT SHADE REPRESENT THE DIFFERENT FEES ON THOSE REPAIRS AND HOW THEY WERE DONE. THESE WERE DONE FROM OUR LOCALS, ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS AND I WANTED TO GET THAT IN YOUR MIND AS I BRING UP DOCTOR LEE. HE IS GOING TO GIVE HIS

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PRESENTATION. >> GOOD MORNING. I AM HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. IT IS FOR INVENTORY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THAT WE TALK ABOUT TODAY ARE THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON THE NETWORK REGARDING PAVEMENT DATA. WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD PAYMENT PERFORMANCE INDICATORS WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL FUNDING SCENARIOS AND ALSO WE ARE HERE TO GET A FEE FOR THE FUTURE.

>> COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER?

>> I AM SORRY. >OKAY. AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE REVENUE DISCUSSIONS. PROJECT OBJECTIVES PER THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS PROJECT WAS TO DEVELOP A SERIES OF MAINTENANCE COMMUNICATION WORK PLANS FOR THE CITY TO BASICALLY OPTIMIZE THE USE OF AVAILABLE FUNDINGS. ONE DOLLAR OF INVESTMENT ON PAVEMENT CONSIDERATION NOW WOULD SAVE ABOUT $12-$20 FOR COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION YEARS FROM NOW. ALSO, THE PAVEMENT DETERIORATES VERY SLOWLY AT THE BEGINNING AT A RATE OF DETERIORATION GETS RAPID AT OTHER TIMES. THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GO THROUGH THE RIGHT TREATMENTS AT THE RIGHT TIME AND TRY TO PRESERVE THE GOOD PAVEMENT IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. OUR SCOPE OF WORK WAS DECIDED BY THE DRAFT CONFIRMATION SYSTEM FROM THE CITY TO REVIEW THE CITY'S NETWORK AND DEVELOP A PLAN FOR PAVEMENT DISTRESS EVALUATIONS AS THEY ARE LIMITED IN THE CITY WILL BE DRIVING WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ONCE THAT DATA WAS COLLECTED WE DID OUR PROCESS OF ELIMINATION AND A GOAL HAS TO BE MADE FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE THE FINAL REPORT. THIS IS AN INVENTORY OF ROADWAYS AS OF 2021. 90 PERCENT OF THE ROADS ARE ASPHALT CONCRETE OR FLEXIBLE ROADS ONLY TWO PERCENT ARE CEMENT OR PCC. AND, IN TOTAL THERE WAS 630 CENTERLINES AND 1300 OF THE CLASSES THAT ARE COLLECTORS ON THE STREETS AND IT IS BASICALLY A VIEW OF THAT INVENTORY. THE ENTIRE WAY OF US DOING THE PAVEMENT EVALUATION IS BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS. ONE OF THEM AND THE PRIMARY BE THE AMERICAN STANDARD TEST METHOD WHICH DEFINES THE PAVEMENT CONDITION SO THE PCI WENT FROM 100 BEING PERFECT PAVEMENT TO ZERO BEING PAVEMENT YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO WALK ON. THEIR RATINGS HAVE BEEN BETWEEN 100 AND ZERO AND THE CONDITION IS DEFINED AS A PCI OF LESS THAN 10 GOING TO SERIOUS. AND THEN 85 TO 100 AND 100 BEING THE DAY AFTER THE ROAD WAS CONSTRUCTED AND HOPEFULLY THE CONTRACTOR DID A PERFECT JOB. SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PCI DISTRIBUTIONS WE ALSO DID A VERY SIMILAR STUDY

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BACK IN 2016 SO YOU CAN SEE TWO CHARTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE. THE 2016 NETWORK PCI IS RECORDED ON THE RIGHT. THE 2021 IS REPORTED ON THE LEFT. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THINK ABOUT THE GREEN AREAS AS BEING SATISFACTORY AND GOOD.

THE GRAY IS FAILED AND THE RIGHTS IS ONE VARIATION OF POOR. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, IF YOU MAKE THE BREAD PLUS GRAY IN 2021 VERSUS 2016 YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF FAILED AND SERIOUS AND ALSO POOR CONDITION IS ACTUALLY UNFORTUNATELY INCREASED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I WANT TO ALSO EMPHASIZE THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO ABILENE IN ANY FORM OR SHAPE. MANY AGENCIES THAT WE WORK WITH ARE DEALING WITH SIMILAR ISSUES MEANING THAT THE BUDGET IS OBVIOUSLY NEVER ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A STUDY LIKE THIS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST USE OF THE BUDGET, WHAT ROADS NEED TO BE FIXED FIRST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROADS WHICH ARE AT THE TOP LEFT. ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE 2016 PIE CHART ON THE RIGHT VERSUS THE LEFT 2021 THE GRAY PLUS THE RED HAS ACTUALLY INCREASED AGAIN MEANING THAT THE ROADS ARE GETTING BACK TO 2016 AND UNFORTUNATELY ARE IN WORSE CONDITIONS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE SAME WITH THE LOCAL LOOK AT 2021 ON THE BOTTOM CHART THE GRAY PLUS RED IN 2021 IS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THEN WHAT IT WAS IN 2016. SO, THOSE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS IN TEXAS.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT AND I AM HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME SEEING IT FROM HERE BUT THE SECTION OF SANTOS STREET, PCI F 87 AND THEN WE HAVE PCI F 60 WHICH IS A FAIR CONDITION FOR A SECTION OF PINE STREET AND THESE ARE VARIOUS SECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. POOR CIF TOWARDS WASHINGTON AND VISTA LANE AND SERIOUS TO FAILED CONDITION WOULD BE A SECTION ON JAMES DRIVE WITH THE PCI F 11. NOW WE HAD AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION WAY BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION AND THESE ARE SPECIFIC SECTIONS ON THOSE ROADWAYS WHERE SOME OF THESE MAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE ROAD IT HAS A DIFFERENT PAVEMENT CONDITION SO IF A RESIDENT LIVES ON ONE OF THESE ROADS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS OR HER HOUSE IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT CONDITION AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS SPECIFIC INSPECTION. THE NATURAL CONDITION OVERALL FOR 2021 IS 46 WHICH IF WE PUT IT IN THE SCALE IT IS A POOR CONDITION. IN 2016 IT WAS 50 SO WE HAVE GONE FROM 50 TO 46 AND THAT TABLE SHOWS THAT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF PAVEMENTS OR ASPHALT, THIS IS 98 PERCENT OF THE ROADS IN THE CITY THE PCI IS 46 FOR CONCRETE, 76 OF THESE ARTERIALS HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE AND THEY ARE DOING BETTER AT 52 AND LOCAL STREETS HAVE THE LOWEST PCI AMONG VARIOUS FUNCTIONS OR CLASSES. AS FAR AS OUR WORK AS WE COMPLETE OUR WORK WE ARE GOING TO BE GENERATING THE GIS

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MAPS OF THE CITY LIKE WHAT YOU SEE HERE. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE SHOWING VARIOUS ROADWAYS WITH THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX RATING TO BE USED BY THE CITY. HAVING TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THIS THIS IS AGAIN THE CHART OF ABILENE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX BASED ON DATA COLLECTION 2016 50 AND 46. WE STARTED COMPARING OR LOOKING AT THE RESULT OF PAVEMENT CONDITION ON ABILENE SISTER CITIES OR OTHER CITIES AROUND AND WE HAVE STARTED COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION.

IT IS NOT ALL COMPLETED BUT FOR NOW WE ARE REPORTING A COUPLE OF CYCLES OF DATA COLLECTION IN VARIOUS CITIES AND FROM OUR STUDY WE CAN ALSO GET INFORMATION COLLECTED FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR SEVERAL OTHER CITIES SO WE HAVE A GOOD COMPARISON BASIS AND AGAIN AS YOU CAN SEE EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT AND THERE ARE MANY CITIES THAT ARE IN THE SAME BOAT SO TO SPEAK. SO WE NEED A SERIES OF BUDGETS IN THE 2016 PLAN AND SOME WERE DONE IN THE CURRENT YEAR. ONE THE FIRST QUESTIONS WAS ASKED OF US WAS OKAY, SUMMER OF 2021, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COLLECT PAVEMENT CONDITION DATA AND REPORTING A PCI OF 46 AND A LITTLE ABOVE 50 FOUR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS THAT COMPARED TO THE REPORT THAT YOU PROVIDE US BACK IN 2016. SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS A GRAPH FOR A PLOT OF THE BUDGET SCENARIOS THAT ARE DONE FOR THE COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS FOR 2017. IT DOES HAVE THE DATA POINT BOXED IN RED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CHART AS OF THE 2021 DATA. IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHEN WE ARE COMPARING 3 MILLION DOLLAR AND $5 MILLION INVESTMENT ON COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS ANNUALLY IT WOULD - WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PCI OF JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER 50 AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. THAT WAS AN EVALUATION OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND WHERE WE ARE STARTING NOW. SO, MOVING FORWARD WE LOOKED AT A SERIES OF SCENARIOS AND BY NO MEANS IS A STUDY COMPLETED WASTE ON THE GUIDELINES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS BUT FOR NOW THE $6.6 MILLION PER YEAR IS THE CURRENT BUDGET OF THE CITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM PLUS, IT ALSO CONTAINS $100,000 THAT THE PUBLIC DOES FOR CRACK SEALING EVERY YEAR. THAT WAS ONE SCENARIO. SCENARIO NUMBER 2 IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX VALUES ALL THE TIME. IF WE HAD THE CURRENT SCENARIO AND WE ALSO HAD A $50 MILLION BOND OVER FIVE YEARS STARTING IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND COMPLETING THE BOND PROGRAM BY 2027. SO NOW YOU HAVE THREE SCENARIOS WITH AN ADDITIONAL $25 MILLION WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE PAVEMENT CONDITION IN THE INDEX VALUES OR ROADWAY CONDITIONS IN ABILENE IF WE HAD A $75 MILLION BOND? OVER SIX YEARS. SCENARIO NUMBER 4 WAS $100 MILLION BOND AND SCENARIO NUMBER 5 WHICH IS A VERY INTERESTING SCENARIO TO US WAS TO KEEP THAT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BOND BUT ADD 30 PERCENT MORE TO THE CURRENT NEATNESS BUDGET BASICALLY 30 PERCENT AT 6.6 IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN $2 MILLION PER YEAR. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON THIS. HERE ARE SEVERAL PLOTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. THE FIRST

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ONE IS LOOKING AT THE CONDITION OF THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. THIS STUDY BASE BEING YEAR 2022.

THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE PLANNED PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OR HAVE HAPPENED IN 2021 AND ALSO PLANNED FOR 2022.

WE CAN SEE THE BOTTOM LINE THE ONE THAT IS ON THE BOTTOM SCENARIO 16.6 MILLION WITH CURRENT FUNDING. WE WILL TAKE THE PCI OF ABOUT 34. THERE IS A BIG DROP IN THE PAVEMENT CONDITION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AS YOU ADD MORE BONDS MONEY OBVIOUSLY THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IMPROVES FOR SCENARIO NUMBER 2, SCENARIO NUMBER 3 AND SCENARIO NUMBER 4 AND FIVE. THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT SCENARIO NUMBER 5 IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCENARIO NUMBER 5 AND FOUR ARE COMPARING SCENARIO NUMBER 4 AND FIVE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 PERCENT OR LESS THAN $2 MILLION PER YEAR. THAT IS IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING SO WHAT IT REALLY SHOWS IS THAT ONCE THAT INVESTMENT IS MADE WITH THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IN A HIGHER AREA IN THIS CASE ABOUT 50. THEN IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT HEAVY OF AN INVESTMENT TO KEEP THE ROADS IN THAT CONDITION OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ORANGE LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND THE SECOND LINE IS $2 MILLION PER YEAR. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SECOND LINE IN THE THIRD LINE IS $25 MILLION OVER FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

AND THE SAME WITH THE OTHER ONES. ONCE YOU ARE SPENDING THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT IT WILL COST WAY LESS TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT A LOT OF THE SURFACE TREATMENTS AND MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE MUCH LOWER THAN THE COST OF CARRYING THE STREET OUT AND REPLACING IT. SO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER SLIDES LOOKING AT THE SAME SCENARIOS. THE ONE BEFORE, I'M SORRY, THE FIRST ONE HAD TO DO WITH THE BREAKDOWN OF THE ARTERIAL AND CONNECTORS. THEY WILL BE IN WORSE CONDITION AS THEY ARE NOW AND THAT IS THE SCENARIO NUMBER 1. THAT IS OVER THE YEARS BUT WHAT IT ALSO SHOWS IS EVEN WITH THE OTHER SCENARIOS IF YOU SPEND $100 MILLION AT MOST YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PCI FOR THE ARTERIALS AND CONNECTORS BUT WHEN IT GETS TO LOCAL YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE PCI DRASTICALLY. SO THAT DECISION ON HOW MUCH TO SPEND ON ARTERIALS WOULD ALSO BE PROVIDED TO US ALL THE TIME AS WE ARE GETTING MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF THE STUDY FROM THE CITY AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS. SOME OTHER WAYS OF LOOKING AT THIS IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN AREA WITH THE PAVEMENT, THE RED AREA AS POOR PAVEMENT AND THE GRAY AS FAILED SCENARIO NUMBER 1 IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING OR CURRENT CONDITION COMPARING IT WITH SCENARIO NUMBER 2 WHICH IS A $50 MILLION BOND AND SCENARIO NUMBER 3 IS A $75 MILLION BOND YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE RED OVER THE YEARS WILL BE SHRINKING THE MONTH OF RED IS THE POOR CONDITION. THE GREEN OVER THE YEARS IS INCREASING ROADS IN GOOD CONDITION WITH BEING IN BETTER SHAPE. HOWEVER, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE IS A GOOD CHUNK OF ROAD EVEN THOUGH IT IS AT A REDUCED AMOUNT THAT WILL STILL BE IN POOR CONDITION. SO IT WILL IMPROVE BUT THERE IS STILL

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WORK LEFT TO DO. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF SCENARIO NUMBER 1 AND FOUR AND FIVE BASICALLY SAYS THE SAME STORY. SCENARIO NUMBER 4 AND FIVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO CHART IN THE MIDDLE AND THE CHART ON THE RIGHT IS ONLY $2 MILLION PER YEAR AND YOU CAN SEE ONCE YOU FIX A LOT OF THE ROAD AND SCENARIO NUMBER 4 IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH MORE FUNDING TO CONTINUE ENHANCING THE ROADWAYS. WITH THAT, THE SUMMARIES OF THE OVERALL PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX INSPECTION IN THE FALL OF 2021 WAS 46 AND AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $6.6 MILLION IN THE OVERALL PCI WILL DROP TO 36 IN 10 YEARS.

ADDITIONAL BONDS ARE NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ROAD CONDITIONS. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO INCREASE THE STREET MAINTENANCE FEE AND THAT WAS SHOWN BY THE COMPARISON OF SCENARIOS FIVE AND SIX. ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS CAN BE PERFORMED BASED ON DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

WITH THAT, I THANK YOU AND I IN HIM AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON COUNSEL PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS IN 2017 THAT YOU ALSO HELP THE CITY WITH WAS ESTABLISHING A DATABASE ON WHAT OUR PCI NUMBERS WERE WITH A CALCULATION THAT WOULD ESTIMATE THE DEGRADATION OF THAT OVER TIME AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS DID THE PROJECTION OF A COMPUTER GET CLOSE TO REALITY AND HAVE YOU COMPARED THAT TO SEE IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY REALISTIC OR CLOSE?

>> I THINK I SHOWED THAT THE ANSWER IS YES. I SHOWED THAT

ON THIS CHART HERE. >> I REMEMBER SEEING THE 1. BUT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL STREET DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THE PROJECTION OF OVER SIX YEARS OR FROM HAVING IT FROM 2017 WITH FIVE YEARS WHERE WE GO TO THIS.

WAS THAT FAIRLY ACCURATE? >> THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

THIS TYPE OF STUDY GENERALLY SPEAKING SHOWS THE MACRO LEVEL NETWORK LEVEL OVERALL CONDITIONS. IT PROVIDES THE CONDITION OF EACH SECTION BUT YOU KNOW THIS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN I DO. OVER TIME AND ONCE THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERS PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND ACTUALLY DO THEIR TECHNICAL INVESTIGATION AND LOOK AT THE SOIL PROPERTIES, LOOK AT THE OVERALL CONDITION SOME OF THOSE PROJECT LEVEL DECISIONS AS FAR AS HOW THEY GO ABOUT DOING MAINTENANCE CAN BECOME DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS REPORTED IN THE OVERALL NETWORK TYPE ANALYSIS. IN SOME CASES WHERE IT IS PURELY EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS REPORTED, IT IS A GOOD ASSUMPTION YES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE CLOSE IN PLACES FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS, THEY WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE. YOU HAVE TO ADD THAT SECTION TO THE SECTION PRIOR TO IT OR AFTER THEY MAKE CHANGES AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PAVEMENT CONDITION AND MOSTLY THERE WOULD BE A JUSTIFICATION OF WHY THEY ARE

DIFFERENT. >> ON THE ARTERIALS AND DO THE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE TXDOT ROADS?

>> NO, THESE ARE JUST THE CITY OF ABILENE.

>> THOSE ARE EXCLUDED? >> YES. ACTUALLY, THE CITY OF ABILENE GIS GROUP AND PUBLIC WORKS DID A GREAT JOB WITH US TO BASICALLY LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE BEFORE THE START OF OUR PROJECT AND DIRECT US TO BASICALLY ZOOM IN ON THE ROADS

THAT BELONG TO THE CITY. >> I AM CURIOUS, THE MAJORITY OF THE PORTLAND CONCRETE ROADS DOWNTOWN WERE REDONE AS PART OF

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THE 2015 BOND AND THEY ONLY HAVE A PCI OF 76. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE MISSED IN GETTING THOSE NUMBERS? THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MAX JOHNSON.

>> SO, THE DOWNTOWN PORTIONS THAT WERE REPAIRED WERE THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE WORST CONDITION WHICH INCREASE THE PCI BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO AND SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY TO FULLY REPAIR ALL OF THOSE IS WHAT YOU ARE SEEING.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT INDICATED CAN YOU GO BACK, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO WE ARE AT 50. HOW DO WE COMPARE AND I KNOW THIS IS ONLY FOR CITIES THAT YOU HAVE HERE ONLY TO THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE CYCLE TO, WHEN YOU WERE HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE ASKED YOU HOW WE LOOKED AND IT WAS A VERY FAMOUS QUOTE A SAID IT WAS NOT VERY GOOD. AND NOT JUST COMPARED WITH THESE CITIES BUT HOW DO WE HAVE A PCI OF 50? HOW DOES ABILENE COMPARE?

>> BASED ON THE ITEMS OVERALL, THERE ARE MANY CITIES THAT ARE GETTING TO A LEVEL WHERE THEY CAN SPEND MOST OF THEIR MONEY ON MAINTENANCE AND NOT ON EXPENSIVE REHAB. THEREFORE, THERE ARE MANY CITIES THAT ARE JUST ONE NOTCH OR TWO BETTER.

>> SO WHAT YOU ARE INDICATING IS WE ARE STILL IN THE CATCH UP PHASE OF MAINTAINING? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>> YES. YOU WILL BE IN A CATCH UP PHASE IF THE RIGHT DECISIONS OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE OTHERWISE SHOWN HERE THERE WILL BE A DETERIORATION PHASE WHICH WILL CONTINUE. IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR THOSE LATER.

>> QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL, PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAX JOHNSON I WANT YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE COMMITTEE HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT HAS BEEN WITH THE COMPOSITION OF THOSE MEMBERS AND HOW THEY ARE ISN'T DEFIED BY THE GROUP AND THE STAFF AND RECOMMENDS TO THE

COUNCIL. >> ABSOLUTELY. THE STREET MAINTENANCE BOARD IS A BOARD THAT WE GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO AND THE STAFF PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH CHRONOGRAPH WHICH IS A SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE WHICH TELLS US THE CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADS. THE DATA WE JUST COLLECTED WILL BE INSERTED AND INCORPORATING INTO CARTOGRAPHIC WILL ALLOW US IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WE JUST COLLECTED COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HAD IN CARTOGRAPHIC OVER THE YEARS.

WE SENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE STREET MAINTENANCE BOARD AND THEY GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHICH ROADWAYS TO SPEND DOLLARS ON AS WELL AS ANY OTHER DOLLARS WE MAY HAVE.

>> I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THE COMPOSITION OF THAT BODY IS THROUGH THE NORTH SIDE OR SOUTH SIDE LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS PROJECTS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY USE. ALSO 6.6 MILLION WE IDENTIFIED IS STILL NOT ENOUGH THE TARGET WAS AROUND 10 MILLION. KEEP IN MIND THAT PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD SAID THAT $500,000 PER YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE WHICH REALLY MEANT MAINTENANCE WASN'T OCCURRING.

WE OPERATED ON A SYSTEM IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 30 YEARS WHERE EVERY THREE OR FIVE YEARS WE HAD A BOND AND THAT BOND WAS DESIGNED TO CATCH UP AND IN REALITY WE SAID THIS AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMUNITY IS TO BRING IT BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING WELL. SO WHEN WE SAID THE FAULT LIES WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL. AND AS FAR AS THOSE COUNCILS WE MADE A DECISION IN 16 AND 17 THAT THE CAN KICKING WOULD STOP AND WE WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUES. 6.6 IS THE MONEY SET ASIDE RIGHT NOW AND IT

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PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE AROUND 10 MILLION WHERE WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW. SHANE PRICE CHAIRS THE IN PO THE IN PO SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN ABILENE AND THOSE STREETS ARE TXDOT STREETS AND WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE CITY LIMITS OF ABILENE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOKED AT THE ROADS HAVE JUST FAILED AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A POOR MAINTENANCE POLICY IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THAT TO SAY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS THE BOND OF 15, TXDOT AND OTHER MONIES WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON OUR STREETS BUT WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU THE COMMUNITY TODAY IS TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE AREAS WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IS THERE ANYTHING, COUNSEL, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTS SHOWING WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTING IN OUR STREETS. THAT PRIOR BUDGET CONVERSATION ON FEBRUARY 11TH ONE OF THE ITEMS IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A BOND ON THE STREETS. THIS IS A PREVIEW OF THAT DISCUSSION SO YOU CAN SEE WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND FOR THE STREETS WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE BOTH TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME.

>> I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. >> YES.

>> IN REGARDS TO THE PCI THAT COUNCILMAN MCALLISTER WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE IDEAL NUMBER AVERAGE THAT YOU WOULD SAY IS THAT HE NEEDS TO MAINTAIN TO BE AT OR AT LEAST YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN, SECONDLY, I AM JUST THINKING THROUGH A LOT OF THE REVITALIZATION GOING ON IN THE CITY THE DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN AND SO FORTH WHICH CAN HINDER THE REPAIR STREETS IF THERE ARE ANY MAJOR PROCESSES BEING TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE HOTEL AND SO ON WHICH CAN HALT TO THE REPAIR OF STREETS AND SOMETIMES CREATE A MORE OF A DISHEVELED APPEARANCE IN TERMS OF IT IN THE PROCESS OF A RECURRING

STREETS. >> THE GOOD PCI THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. GOOD PCI VALUE THAT IS REALISTIC AND TACTICAL BASED ON THE SCENE IS THAT ONCE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX GETS TO THE LOW TO MID 70S OBVIOUSLY IDEAL IS 100, RIGHT? BUT WHAT IS PRACTICAL AND REASONABLE AND TAKES A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERS AND STAFF TO MAINTAIN IS WHEN YOU GET THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX TO VALUES OF 70, 75, 76 WOULD BE A FANTASTIC PLACE TO BE. THEN YOUR DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT ON MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND THEREFORE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT AND KEEP THE ROADS IN GOOD STANDING. SO THAT IS THE FIRST PART. THE SECOND PART I WILL LET MAX ANSWER THAT BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE MORE CONSTRUCTION YOU SEE IN A CITY OBVIOUSLY IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WHETHER IT IS HOTELS SO THAT IS A POSITIVE THING. AND THEY ARE ALWAYS TEMPORARY MEANING IT GOES ON FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR IN THE PUBLIC WORKS CAN WORK ON SOME OTHER AREAS AND THEN THEY COME BACK.

>> IF I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION DOING TO THE STREETS AND THE TEMPORARY.[INDISCERNABLE]. I WOULD SAY THAT AS THE DOCTOR SAID IT IS TEMPORARY. YES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT GOING IN AND ONCE THOSE REPAIRS ARE MADE IN ADDITION TO IN ABILENE WE SEE INCREASES IN THE SUBDIVISIONS BEING MADE. THE STREETS GOING DOWN OUR LOCAL STREETS AND HELPING A LITTLE BIT IN COMPARISON WITH ALL OF THE SUBDIVISION STREETS AND LOCAL STREETS WE HAVE IT IS A LITTLE INCREASE BUT THE NEW ROADS GOING IN OUR COMING IN WITH THE 90 PCI WHICH IS

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SOMEWHAT HELPING TO INCREASE. YES SIR?

>> ANY QUESTIONS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL? ANYMORE? THANK YOU. PAT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU, YOU HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON EACH SPEAKER THIS MORNING.

>> THANK YOU COUNSEL DAVID SORT ONCE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS THREE YEARS AGO AND AT LEAST NINE OR 10 STREET MAINTENANCE MEETINGS AND WE HAD A 58 PCI INDEX. AND IN THIS PRESENTATION WE HAVE SEEN WE HAVE GONE DOWN AND EVEN THEY SAID WE NEED MORE FUNDING. THE PROBLEM IS INFLATION IS KILLING US ESPECIALLY THE LAST TWO YEARS. JUST RECENTLY HE SAID IT WAS 6.8 AND I BELIEVE BACK IN NOVEMBER? YOU CAN GO TO THE SUPERMARKET AND SEE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS YOUR MONEY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TO GIVE. I HAVE BEEN TO MANY STREET MAINTENANCE MEETINGS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AND THEY SAID THAT THIS STUDY IN 2016 SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE $377 MILLION TO DO THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE. SO I SET OFF AND HAD COMMENTS SEVERAL TIMES JUST BORROW HALF A BILLION 50 YEARS DIVIDED UP AND DO IT. BUT SEE, IT'S JUST LIKE THE HOTEL. YOU PUT IT OFF IT WAS ONE PRICE AND NOW IT'S INCREASE. THAT $370 MILLION BACK IN 2016 AND THIS PRESENTATION BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD BE THAT IT IS A LOT MORE RIGHT NOW. MY STREET BESIDE MY HOME WAS DONE ON A BOND ELECTION AND IT LOOKS GREAT. THE STREET, MY HOUSE FACES, I DON'T EXPECT IN MY LIFETIME THEY WILL DO ANYTHING WITH IT. WHEN I WAS A KID I REMEMBER IN THE SUMMERTIME THE CITY WOULD COME INTO WHAT THEY CALL A CHIP SEAL. IT'S JUST PEAK GRAVEL THEY COME ALONG AND PUT PEAK GRAVEL. I REMEMBER IT ALL THE TIME AS A KID ON MERCHANT STREET BY MY GRANDMA'S HOUSE AND MY GRANDPA HE WORKED FOR THE CITY IN THE 60S AND 70S AND HE WOULD BE REALLY SAD TO SEE HOW WE HAVE DECIDED TO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH OUR STREET.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE TITANIC. LIKE THEY SAID IN THE MOVIE. WERE GOING DOWN BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP UP IN THE BILGE PUMPS CAN'T KEEP UP AND I SAID IT NUMEROUS TIMES AT THE STREET MAINTENANCE MEETINGS WE ARE TO FAR IN THE HOLE. TO USE AN ACRONYM IN WORLD WAR II YOU HAVE TOO MANY TORPEDOES IN THIS SHIP AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT BACK TO PEARL. AND JUST LIKE THIS IN THE PRESENTATION THEY TOLD US AND SWEET DONE IT FIVE YEARS AGO WE'VE ALREADY LOST SOME AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO DOWNHILL. THE ANSWER IS MORE FUNDING BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE VIRUS IS PUTTING A HURT ON US FINANCIALLY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL MUCH LESS ON THE COUNTRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR STREET.

WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND. IF YOU GO ANYWHERE YOU DON'T SEE STREETS LIKE WE DO. CITY HALL WHICH IS ON WALNUT YOU GO ONE BLOCK UP OR TWO IN THE STREET IS SCOURING THAT IS HOW BAD THE STREET THAT THE CITY HALL SITS ON. THANK YOU.

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> CHARLES BORN, COUNCIL AND MAYOR. A FEW MONTHS AGO A MAN CAME TO ABILENE AND SPOKE TO US FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE VERY FIRST WORDS OUT OF HIS MOUTH THAT HE SPOKE WASN'T I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, HE SAID OUR STREETS IN ABILENE WERE HORRIBLE AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I DON'T THINK RAISING THE STREET MAINTENANCE FEE 30 PERCENT IS WHAT THE TAXPAYERS OF ABILENE REALLY WANT. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT $100 MILLION BOND ELECTION THINK THEY WANT COMPREHENSIVE - NOT JUST A STUDY. THE STUDY SHOWS THAT WE ARE A 2.7 WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ROADS AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PRESENTER WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT WHAT TXDOT DOES WHEN THEY PUT THE ROADS DOWN WHY DO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING FOR

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ASPHALT? ASPHALT IS NOT LAST AS LONG AS CONCRETE? WHAT IS THE PRIVATE BILLY PRICE TAG FOR PUTTING CONCRETE STREETS DOWN INSTEAD OF ASPHALT STREETS? THANK YOU.

>> CAN I JUST TALK ABOUT THE PRICE OF RAW ASSETS?

>> SO, THE BASIC ANSWER IS THE COST. THE COST OF PUTTING DOWN A MILE OF CONCRETE ROAD COMPARED TO A MILE OF BLACKTOP IS SIGNIFICANT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FEES BUT THE EXACT NUMBERS BUT I COULD SAY AT LEAST THREE TONS? SCOTT CHANDLER OUR CITY ENGINEER. A GOOD COMPARISON WOULD BE WHERE TALKING ABOUT MOST OF OUR STREETS BEING OF LOCAL NATURE AND A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONCRETE STREETS COMPARED TO AN ARTERIAL STREET OR COLLECTOR LEVEL STREET THAT IT IS BUILT THICKER WITH THICKER ASPHALT SECTIONS. YOU CAN GET IN THE REALM AT TIMES WHERE ASPHALT IS AT CONCRETE PRICES AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY TRAFFIC ON THOSE STREETS AND YES, THAT IS THE TIME THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT A CONCRETE SECTION BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO COMPARE A RESIDENTIAL SECTION WHICH HERE IN ABILENE, IT IS NOT BUILT FOR A LOT OF HEAVY TRAFFIC TO GO IN WITH THE CONCRETE IT WOULD LAST A LONG TIME BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE FROM A LOCAL STREET PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE - I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR CONCRETE IN THAT SITUATION.

>> AND CAN YOU GET BACK WITH US ON A PRICE WITH THAT?

>> I WILL TELL YOU WE DO EVALUATE WHAT TYPE OF ROAD WE WILL DO IN SOME PLACES. WHEN WE DID THE PORTION WHERE THE SCHOOL BUS TURNS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT TURNS WE WOULD DO CONCRETE. SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS WE ARE DOING WE REPLACE WITH CONCRETE AND FOR THAT REASON AND CONCRETE TENDS TO ALLOW THE WATER TO MOVE QUICKER OR NOT QUICKER BUT MORE EFFICIENTLY ACROSS AND WON'T DAMAGE IT AS MUCH AS THE HOT

MIX OR -THAT WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SAMUEL GARCIA. I AM WATCHING THIS AND IT IS LIKE THAT MOVIE GROUNDHOG DAY WHEN THEY KEEP RELIVING THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I MOVED HERE IN 2000 AND INTO THOUSAND I REMEMBER HEARING ALL ABOUT WE NEED TO START TAKING A FEE FROM YOU BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD A LAKE AND I PAID IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. BOTH AT MY BUSINESS AND HOME I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO BRING IN INDUSTRY AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE TO HEAR THIS ABOUT THE FAILURE TO BUILD A NO GO AND SELL IT LATER HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NOW, WERE NOT GOING TO DO THE WATER, THE LAKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THE STREETS FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO AND NOW WE ARE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE WERE IN FACT IN WORSE SHAPE. YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS FUNDAMENTAL. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THIS ONE ISSUE.

YOU SHOULD BE QUESTIONING THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THIS. YOU NEED TO STEP BACK SO WHERE ARE ALL THE CHEESE HEAD HAT WHERE YOU BRING IN WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE AVERAGE JOBS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER AS THE MAYOR SAYS AND THEN I HEARD THE MAYOR ALSO SAY WERE NOT GOING TO USE ANY OF THIS MONEY ON THE STREETS WERE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE GOOD LET'S GO GET HUNDRED MILLION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND INCREASE THEIR MONTHLY FEES. WE ARE ALSO TAKING CITY MONEY AND WE DID USE THE CITY MONEY TO BUILD A HOTEL. IT IS LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO BUY OUR SUCCESS AND NOT WORKING FROM THE GROUND UP IN THE GROUND IS THE MOST BASIC THING. THE STREETS, SEWERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT. COME FIX THOSE BEFORE YOU ASK FOR MORE. IF YOU THREW UP $100 MILLION BOND, NIFTY MILLION DOLLAR BONDS, $25 MILLION BOND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO OPPOSE THAT. NOT THAT I DON'T WANT BETTER STREETS BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE BIG PICTURE STUFF. I MOVED HERE TWO YEARS AGO AND EVERYONE'S HEARD THIS

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MILLION TIMES A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT PROUD DEMOCRAT AND ALL Y'ALL ARE THE SPENDING PEOPLE. YOU REPUBLICANS ARE PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE BUT TRUST ME WHEN I LEARNED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS COMING HERE, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE ABOUT WHAT YOU SPEND. IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU SPEND THAT WHERE YOU SPEND IT AND IT MATTERS AND IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT OTHERWISE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION? IT'S OKAY. IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. YOU DON'T NEED OUR OKAY TO TAKE THAT MONEY BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS CATASTROPHIC AND WE ARE IN THE WORST SHAPE THAN EVER AND THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. I KNOW YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T GO DOWN THIS ROAD, HE FIX OTHER THINGS

FIRST. THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM?

>> I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. GARCIA STATED IN THE WAY THAT WHICH OUR FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED I DON'T GET A LOT OF TAXPAYERS REALIZE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE HOTEL. A LOT OF MINOR IMPROVEMENT FUNDS .THE PROPERTY RAISE HERE ARE RIDICULOUS. IF YOU CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT MONEY DOES NOT NEED TO BE SPENT ON, I HAVE PEOPLE OVER HERE BEGGING FOR A PARK. A PERSON WITH DISABILITIES MAKING FOR A PLAYGROUND FOR THEIR CHILD SO THEY CAN GET OUT TEMPLATE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC. YOU ALL ARE GETTING $20 MILLION BUT YOU CAN'T GIVE US A MILLION-DOLLAR PLAYGROUND? YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY ON A HOTEL THAT PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN STAY IN. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? THAT IS

ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS WAS FOR PRESENTATION ONLY. WE WILL

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS VITAL STRUCTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS 9:50 4 AM AND WE ARE ENTERING EXECUTIVE SECTION. SESSION DLI POINT 071 GOES TO OUR ATTORNEY. [LISTING]. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Jan 27, 2022 City Council

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