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COMMISSION. WE WOULD LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE PRESENT THAT THIS MEETING MEETS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT AND SET FORTH BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1.171 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IN IS A RECOMMENDING COMMISSION. ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND APPROVAL AND DENIAL BY THIS COMMISSION. OUR OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES AND LANDS DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE OF UNIQUE, HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL VALUE.
NOW MINUTES FROM THE LAST -- WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM
[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on the Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on June 22, 2021]
THE MEETING HELD ON JUNE 22, 2021.HAVE MEMBERS BEEN ABLE -- I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING, SO I NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PASS A MOTION.
>> I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING EITHER.
>> I LOOKED AT THEM I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
>> CAN I HAVE A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
>> AND I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES?
[2. CA-2022-01: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on a Certificate of Appropriateness Request for Repairs to an Existing Residence and Detached Garage Located at 802 Meander Street. (Melissa Farr)]
AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY, AGENDA ITEMS FOR TODAY.THE FIRST ONE IS CA-2022-01, RECEIVE A REPORT AND HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST FOR REPAIRS TO AN EXISTING RESIDENCE AND DETACHED GARAGE LOCATED AT 802 MEANDER STREET.
AND MELISSA FARR WILL BE PRESENTING THE REPORT FOR THE
CITY. >> MELISSA FARR: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MELISSA FARR.
I AM WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.
FIRST ITEM IS CA-2022-01. THAT IS LOCATED AT 802 MEANDER STREET. THEY ARE REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR REPAIRS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AND THE DETACHED GARAGE.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS HISTORIC OVERLAY DESIGNATION WAS APPROVED IN MAY 2011. YOU MAY KNOW THIS AS THE COLLINS ST. JOHN GIVENS HOUSE. A ONE-AND-A-HALF-STORY DOMESTIC BUILDING AND IN THE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW STYLE CONDUCTED IN 1 1921. A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE AND INCLUDE WOOD, STONE, STUCCO SIDING.
IT DOES HAVE THE LOW-PITCHED GABLED ROOF.
AND THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM IS FRAME.
IT IS CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE CITY OF ABILENE HISTORIC DATABASE, ABILENE OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND A SALES NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT HOME AND ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND THEY PROPOSE TO DO THE FOLLOWING: THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPAINT THE HOME AND THE GARAGE WITH SLIGHT REPAIR TO THE WOODEN SIDING, WHERE APPLICABLE, BECAUSE THE WOODEN SIDING HAS SUFFERED FROM WATER DAMAGE.
THE PRIMARY PAINT COLOR WILL BE ANTIQUE WHITE THAT I WILL SHOW NEW A SLIDE LATER. WE HAVE SWATCHES SO YOU SEE THE COLORS. BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WE WILL LOOK AT THE LOCATION MAP TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THIS HOME IS POSITIONED. IT IS BOUNDED BY SOUTH 8TH STREET A AMARILLO STREET AND IDLEWILD STREET.
AGAIN, IT IS LOCATED IN A SALES BOULEVARD NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT. THE ZONING MAP JUST SHOWS YOU THE ZONING THINK THAT MENTIONED, THE RESIDENTIAL WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. HERE IS YOUR SALES BOULEVARD NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT P MAP.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED PHOTOS TO SHOW US DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE
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HOME. ORIGINALLY THEY DID ASK TO REPLACE THE FENCE AT THE FRONT. BUT SINCE THE APPLICATION, THEY DECIDED TO SIMPLY JUST REPAINT. SO THEY WILL NOT REPLACE THAT FRONT FENCE. NOW THAT IS TO SHOW SOME OF THE SIDING AND, OF COURSE, YOU SEE THE DAMAGE IN THE GARAGE.HERE ARE OUR COLOR SWATCHES FOR THE PAINT.
THE PRIMARY PAINT WILL BE THE ANTIQUE WHITE.
IF YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
THE TRIM PAINT COLOR WILL BE THE SNOW GLOBE.
THAT IS THE ONE TO THE RIGHT. AND THE ONE YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU SEE THAT BROWN, THEY WANT TO REPLACE THAT COLOR ON THE PORCH. THE PORCH IS CURRENT LET RED AND THEY INTEND TO PAINT IT BROWN. LET'S GO BACK.
UP. TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY.
SOME PIECES OF THE WOOD FOR THE FRONT AND THE BACK PORCHES WILL BE REPLACED BUT NO CHANGES WILL BE MADE THAT WOULD CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE EXTERIOR. THEY ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE A CRACKED GLASS PANE. GUTTERS WILL BE PLACED IN TWO SHORT AREAS WHERE THE EAVES RUN OFF THIS CAUSED SOME OF THE WATER DAMAGE TO THE WOODEN SIDING.
IT ACTUALLY LED TO WOOD ROT. SO THAT IS WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS. A SMALL PICKET FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD IS ROTTING, BUT, AGAIN, THEY ARE CHOOSING TO SIMPLY REPAINT. THEY ARE HOPING THAT THE PAINT WILL GIVE US THAT SEAL FOR PROTECTION.
THE SECTION OF THE CITY OF ABILENE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT APPLIES TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST IS SECTION 2.3.4.4 F, THAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. STAFF HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. WE DO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY WITH IT BEING IN THOSE DISTRICTS AND IN THE REGISTERS. THEREFORE, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK OF ME, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. >> THIS IS LISTED AS A STORY AND
A HALF? >> IT IS ONE AND A HALF, YES, SIR. YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE TOP.
THE FRONT TOP. >> ARE THERE ROOMS UPSTAIRS? THIS IS A TRIVIAL Y'ALL QU N QUESTION.
>> MELISSA FARR: I WILL LET THE APPLICANT TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW
TO LOOKS ON THE INTERIOR. >> I HAVE A PAINT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ASK OF THE APPLICANT OR YOU.
WAS THERE A FOURTH SELECTION OF THE ROOF OF THE PORCH.
HISTORICALLY ROOFS ARE PAINTED SKY BLUE TO INHIBIT INSECT
GROWTH. >> YOU MEAN THE CEILINGS?
>> THE CEILINGS, THANK YOU. THE CEILINGS OF THE PORCH WERE TRADITIONALLY PAINTED SKY BLUE, BUT THE PAST 350 YEARS THEY HAVE GONE WHITE. I DON'T KNOW THE FOURTH COLOR OR
THE THREE COLORS MENTIONED. >> MELISSA FARR: THEY DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING TO ME BUT IT IS VERY INTERESTING AND NOTE W Y
WORTHY. >> SKY BLUE DOESN'T WORK, I
TRIED IT -- >> JUST BECAUSE IT IS HISTORY, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS RIGHT. [LAUGHTER]
>> MELT MELISSA, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE BROWN, THAT IS FOR THE PORCH FLOOR BOARDS, LIKE THE FLOOR?
>> MELISSA FARR: YES, MA'AM. WHERE WE SEE IT AS RED --
>>. >> IT'S HARD TO SEE IN ANY OF
THE PICTURES.ME >> MELISSA FARR: VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE. BARELY.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, BUT THEY ARE WANTING TO REPAINT THAT. I THINK THAT COLOR IS CALLED BUCKINGHAM PALACE AND MORE OF A BROWN TONE THAN GRAY.
I WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
>> PEBBLES LEE: THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT AND WE WILL OPEN THE HEARING UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR
NAME AND ADDRESS. >> LYDIA TATE FROM 802 MEANDER
ANYTHING THAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY OF YOUR REPAIRS OR YOU HOUSE? TELL US ABOUT YOUR HOUSE.
>> WE LOVE HOW OLD IT IS. IT IS CHARMING.
WHY WE WANTED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN GOOD SHAPE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. I SAW THAT THE SIDE SOMETHING ROTTING AND WE NEED FOR IT TO GET PAINTED SO IT DOESN'T GET WORSE. THAT IS WHY WE WANTED TO DO S
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO FIND SIDING THAT MATCHES?
>> I HAVE A CONTRACT OTHER SAID WE DO IT AND HE SAID IT IS PRETTY EASY TO COME BY. SO HE IS GOING TO FIND IT.
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>> I DON'T KNOW EASY TO COME BY. AFTER THE MEETING I WILL TELL WHERE YOU CAN GET IT, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE.
SO STICK AROUND. DON'T LEAVE IF YOU CAN.
IF YOU WANT TO STAY, BUT ONE OTHER APPLICANT AFTER YOU SO IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE.
>> WHAT KIND OF PAINT ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ON THE PORCH?
>> I THINK HE SAID ALL KELLY BOND FROM THE KELLY MOORE BRAND.
I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY -- I AM KINDS OF LEAVING IT UP TO HIM BECAUSE THAT IS HIS PROFESSION AND I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
>> THE PORCHES LIKE THAT WATER STANDS ON THEM A LOT.
SO A GOOD PAINT IS IMPORTANT. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
I AM GOING FOR A GOOD PAINT. I WANT IT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
>> IF I WAS DOING IT I WOULD DO AN OIL BASE ON JUST THE FL FLOORBOARDS, THE PORCH FL FLOORBOARDS AND THIS WILL BE REALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T DO OIL BASE ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE. SO -- I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO YOUR PAINT PERSON ABOUT THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> PEBBLES LEE: ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS? >> ARE THE COLORS ALL FROM THE
HISTORIC PALACE. >> I THINK MOST OF THEM WERE.
I AM NOT SURE IF ALL THREE OF THEM WERE.
>> IF THEY ARE ON THE HISTORIC PALETTE, THEY ARE APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY, BUT OTHER COLORS AREN'T.
>> JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, SO A LOT OF THIS IS MAINTENANCE THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO. FOR THINGS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO FOR THE HOUSE THAT ARE JUST PURELY MAINTENANCE AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE S US, OKAY. BECAUSE HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED
THIS HOUSE? >> JUST ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
>> PEBBLES LEE: BUT YOU ARE CHANGING THE COLORS SLIGHTLY AND THAT IS GOOD YOU BROUGHT IT TO US.
BUT MORE SIDING OR WINDOW PANES OR YOU NEED TO PAINT THE FENCE, DO YOU NOT NEED TO COME BEFORE US, BUT I THINK YOU CAN STILL KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS AND TURN THEM IN AND GET CREDIT TOWARD YOUR TAX CREDITS FOR HAVING HISTORIC OVERLAY.
OKAY. SO ALWAYS KEEP ALL YOUR RE S
>> PEBBLES LEE: FOR THE WORK, THE WORKERS, AND THE SUPPLIES.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> INCLUDE THINGS LIKE -- THAT YOU WON'T SEE, LIKE FOUNDATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> PEBBLES LEE: IF IT IS STRUCTURAL.
EVEN IF IT IS STRUCTURAL. WE -- NOTHING ON THE INTERIOR LIKE PLUMBING EXCEPT ELECTRICAL. IF THERE WERE STRUCTURAL THINGS, THOSE CAN ALSO BE COUNTED TOWARD YOUR TAX CREDITS.
PLUMBING BUT NOT PLUMBING FIXTURES.
LIKE IF YOU WENT UNDER THE HOUSE NOW AND REPLACED ALL THE PIPES, THAT WOULD COUNT, OKAY. AND YOU CAN COME -- YOU CAN TALK TO ANY OF US ANY TIME. KINDS OF JUST -- IF YOU WERE NOT SURE. YOU CAN CALL THE CITY AND ASK WHEN WE HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW AT THE CITY, OR YOU CAN -- THEY CAN -- MELISSA CAN PUT NEW TOUCH WITH ONE OF US AND WE CAN TALK BUT TO
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SORRY.
ON BACK UNITS ON THIS PICTURE HERE, IT SHOWS THERE ARE SH R SHUTTERS ON THE SIDE. WERE THOSE GOING TO BE REPAINTED A DIFFERENT COLOR, ALSO ALONG WITH THE DOORS?
>> ACTUALLY HAVE NOT SEEN THAT. I PROBABLY WAS GOING TO DO IT THE SAME AS ITS PORCH. I WAS GOING TO TRY KEEP IT ALL
THE SAME COLOR. >> AND THE DOOR?
>> YES. >> THOSE SHUTTERS ORIGINAL TO
THE HOUSE? >> PEBBLES LEE: PROBABLY NOT.
THERE WAS A WHOLE TIME WHEN PEOPLE THOUGHT THOSE ARTS AND CRAFTS BUNGALOWS NEEDED FAKE SHUDDERS AND WENT AROUND AND PUT THEM ON. BUT THEY ARE USUALLY NOT
HISTORIC. >> HOW BIG IS THE HOUSE, SQUARE
FOOTAGE? >> I THINK IT IS 2100.
>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF IT.
>> PEBBLES LEE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> JUST A COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING THROUGH THIS PROCEDURE. IT SEEMS TEDIOUS AT TIME BUT PROTECT YOUR HOME AND THE HOMES AROUND YOU AND IMPROVE THE VALUE AND PROVIDE THESE INCENTIVES TO GET TO YOU DO SO.
>> WHEREVER YOU ARE GETTING YOUR PAINT, IF YOU WANT TO GO IN AND ASK FOR THE HISTORIC PAINT PALETTE AND HAVE THOSE AS A REFERENCE AND YOU WILL PROBABLY GET THE COLORS ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT ANYWAY, BUT THEY ARE ON THE HISTORIC PALETTE TO
MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU.
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>> PEBBLES LEE: THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL ANY OTHER MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY DISCUSSION? >> WELL, IT IS A MARVELOUS PART OF TOWN THAT A LOT OF THE -- YOU SEE A LOT OF CARE THAT IS GOING IN SOME NEIGHBORING HOUSES, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ADDING TO THAT AND AS STATELY AS IT IS, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY GRAND WITH A FRESH COAT OF PAINT.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE IT. >> I SECOND.
>> PEBBLES LEE: ALL RIGHT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
>> MELISSA, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? GO DOWN THE LIST OR SHOULD WE JUST VOTE IN ORDER THEN.
>> MULTITASK. >> MELISSA FARR: YES, I AM A MULTITASKER. MELANIA THE MOTION TO APPROVE
[3. CA-2022-02: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on a Certificate of Appropriateness Request for Repairs to an Existing Restaurant Located at 158 Cypress Street (Melissa Farr)]
THE AGENDA IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CA-2022-02, RECEIVE A REPORT AND HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST FOR REPAIRS TO AN EXISTING RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 158 CYPRESS STREET.AND MELISSA WILL PRESENT THE CITY STAFF REPORT.
>> MELISSA FARR: HI, I AM MELISSA FARR WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE SECOND ITEM IS CA-2022-02.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1258 CYPRESS STREET.
WE CURRENTLY KNOW AND LOVE THIS PROPERTY AS BEING CYPRESS STREET STATION. THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE FRONT AND I AM SURE WE ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR THE CERTIFICATE TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE EXISTING RESTAURANT. THEY ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN THE FACADE GRANT IMPROVEMENT PR M PROGRAM.
WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED DOWNTOWN ON THE LOCATION MAP. THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY NORTH SECOND STREET AND CEDAR STREET. THERE IS THE AERIAL VIEW.
AND OUR ZONING MAP. THE ZONING IS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH HISTORIC OVERLAY. THAT HISTORIC OVERLAY WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1989. THE BUILDING IS LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE. THERE IS OUR MAP SHOWING THAT ZONE. THEY ARE ALSO IN THE ABILENE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY ARE LOCATED IN A BUILDING KNOWN AS THE COMPTON BUILDING. IT IS A TWO-STORY BRICK STRUCTURE. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FEET. IT IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND LATE VICTORIAN-STYLE WITH 19TH CENTURY INFLUENCES BUILT IN 3 1923. SEVERAL RESOURCES STATE THAT THIS BUILDING HOUSED A DRUG STORE AND CLEANERS FOR MANY YEARS. THEY ALSO SAY THE SECOND FLOOR WAS BEING USED FOR MEDICAL OFFICES.
I DO HAVE A PICTURE SHOWING AT ONE TIMING IS WAS CALLED BIG COUNTRY COMMUNICATIONS IN THE BUILDINGS.
SO ANOTHER RESOURCE NOTE THIS AS BEING THE BIG COUNTRY BUILDING INSTEAD OF THE COMPTON BUILDING. IT IS -- WELL, THE ABILENE PRESERVATION LEAGUE REHABILITATED THE PROPERTY IN 1993 AND SINCE BEEN HOME TO SEE PRESS STREET STATION, WHICH IS AN UPSCALE RESTAURANT. THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE CITY OF ABILENE HISTORIC BUILDING DATABASE, THE ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ABILENE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BACK IN 1989, 1993. THERE IS HISTORY TO THIS BUILDING AND MAINTENANCE TH F THEREOF.
THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO PAINT WINDOWS, THE DOORS, THE AWNING TRIM, AND THE SIGN.
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CLEAN AND REPAIR THE CONCRETE AND MASONRY.REPLACE THE MAIN ENTRANCE DOOR, THE SECOND-FLOOR ENTRY DOOR AND THE DEFUNCT DOOR, AND REPLACE THE WINDOWS ABOVE THE AWNING.
SO LET'S GET TO SOME PICTURES OF THE BUILDING.
NOW WE CAN -- SORRY? >> WHERE THE SECOND-FLOOR
>> IN THE PICTURE THE FAR RIGHT. >> THE NORTH SIDE OF THE
OKAY. >> AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THAT PICTURE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE WINDOWS.
YOU SAW IT WHEN WE WERE STANDING OUT THERE.
>> MELISSA FARR: OKAY. I AM CLICKING AWAY HERE AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING. ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THERE WE GO. THE FOLLOWING SECTION OF THE CITY OF ABILENE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUEST 2.3.4.4 F, PROCEDURES FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IN CONSIDERATION THE APPL N APPLICATION, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. WE DO NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> PEBBLES LEE: ANY QUESTIONS OF MELISSA?
>> THE DEFUNCT DOOR? >> LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN
THEY ARE -- >> MELISSA FARR: I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WILL GO OVER THERE JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. I HAVEN'T EATEN AT THAT RESTAURANT, BUT I THINK WE ALL SHOULD TAKE A FIELD TRIP AND SAY WE ARE HERE TO SEE THE DEFUNCT DOOR.
>> IT WILL HAVE TO BE AN OFFICIAL MEETING IF WE ALL WENT AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF HEARING AND WE WILL OPEN THE MEETING UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR THE CONTRACTOR OR ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
>> WILL PROBABLY FIELD QUE S QUESTIONS.
>> PEBBLES LEE: COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,
PLEASE. >> TERRY O'CONNOR, OWNER.
HOME ADDRESS, BUSINESS ADDRESS? 3642 HUNTERS GLEN.
>> 1583 SOUTH 1ST. >> PEBBLES LEE: WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT -- WE NEED TO PROBABLY GO THROUGH ITEM BY ITEM
OF WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO. >> SURE.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WITH THE BUILDING.
HADN'T REALLY BEEN TOUCHED SINCE '93, THE LAST TIME A CERTIFICATE WAS PULLED. IT SHOWS.
I WAS JUST MEETING WITH PEBBLES OUT THERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO BEFORE WE CAME DOWN HERE. THERE WAS DAMAGE IN THE HAILSTORM THAT HAVE KIND OF YET TO BE ADDRESSED.
A LITTLE HAIR AND MAKE-UP ON IT AND DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS ROOT PROBLEMS. MOST OF THE INVESTMENT THAT I HAVE DONE ON THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN SEEN, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT. NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO RESTORE TO WHAT WE THINK IT DESERVES. THE ORIGINAL RED PAINT ON THE WINDOWS IS NOW A NICE SALMON PINK.
THE GREEN IS ALL BLEACHED OUT. THE TILES ON THE FRONT THAT WE KINDS THE SAW, CHIPPED. THE DEFUNCT DOOR.
I WILL GOAT TAT. ORIGINALLY TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, TWO SEPARATE ENTRYWAYS. ONE WAS A SHOE STORE AND THE OTHER WAS A PHARMACY I THINK AT SOME POINTS.
AND DIVISION RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING ON THE INSIDE.
ONE WAS AN ENTRY WAY TO THE ONE BUILDING, AND THE RETAIL SPOT.
>> PEBBLES LEE: CAN YOU CHANGE THE PICTURES?
>> YES, BACK? ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON YOUR LEFT SIDE, THAT IS THE DEFUNCT DOOR. ON A DAILY BASIS, A DOZEN PEOPLE TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT DOOR BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS A DOOR SO WE PUT THOSE PATIO TABLES IN THE WAY AND THEY WILL WALK AROUND THE TABLES AND GO INTO T IT.
ALL WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT IS TURN IT INTO A WINDOW WITHOUT A HANDLE. THEN IT WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT, IT JUST JUST WON'T HAVE A HANDLE AND WON'T SWING OPEN.
THE MAIN DOOR WHICH I GUESS IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT -- PEBBLES, TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS -- WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY. THE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
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I NEVER SEEN WHAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS.BUT I THINK THEY WERE ORIGINALLY JUST SINGLE-PULL DOORS.
THE OTHER -- THE OTHER TWO, THE DEFUNCT AND THE SECOND FLOOR ENTRY ARE BOTH -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MEASUREMENTS ARE, BUT PRETTY GOOD SIZE. WHEN WE PURCHASE THE BUILDING, IT WAS DOUBLE DOORS. AND EVENTUALLY THEY ROTTED OFF THE HINGES. WE KIND OF WENT BACK IN REAL QUICK AND PUT SOME OTHER BIG, HEAVY, WOODEN DOORS.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE UPSTAIR DOORS.
WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SECOND FLOOR WITH A DOOR, WITH A SINGLE-PULL DOOR.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MAIN ENTRANCE A SINGLE-HANDLE DOOR WITH SIDE LIGHTS OR WITH NO SIDE LIGHTS?
>> WITH SIDE LIGHTS. >> ADDING LIGHTS.
>> SIDE LIGHTS. >> WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE TO FRAME OUT THAT MAIN DOOR. AND THEN THE DEFUNCT DOOR.
WE WANT TO PUT A WINDOW IN SO NO LONGER A DOOR THAT PEOPLE CAN GO
TRY TO USE. >> NOW THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT HANDS SIDE THAT HEADS UPSTAIRS, IT IS PRETTY HARD TO SEE.
>> CORRECT. >> RIGHT ON THE EDGE.
BLACK AS Y'ALL ARE LOOKING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THAT IS A DOOR. AND THIS WILL BE A DOOR THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR. STAND FUNCTIONS.
>> IT CURRENTLY FUNCTIONS. IT HAS A PIECE OF GLASS.
BEHIND IT IS A FEES OF PLYWOOD PAINTED BROWN TO AGUESS KEEPING PEOPLE FROM BREAKING IN AND GO UPSTAIRS.
BECAUSE THEY BROKE THROUGH THE GLASS AND GO UPSTAIRS.
BACK IN THE '90S WHEN A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING DOWNTOWN WITH SOME OF THE POPULATION, I GUESS. WE ARE PAST THAT NOW.
SO DOWNTOWN IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONDITION NOW.
SO, YEAH, WE ARE -- WE WANT TO PUT A DOOR THERE BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCEWAY FOR WHATEVER TENANT ENDS UP UP S
UPSTAIRS. >> YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A
>> NOT NECESSARILY IN ADDITION TO THE RESTAURANT.
>> NO, SIR. IT -- ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN UP THERE. I CAN SHOW YOU SINCE YOU ENJOYED THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THESE BUILDINGS.
THE FRONT HALF OR THE EAST SIDES OF THAT BUILDING IS STILL THE -- STRAIGHT OUT OF THE DOCTOR OFFICES IT WAS IN THE '30S INCLUDING LITTLE NUMBERS OVER THE OFFICES AND KIND OF NEAT LITTLE THINGS. WE WILL GET INTO THAT LATER, BUT FIRST WE WANT TO ADDRESS KIND OF CLEANING UP AND RESTORING THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING
THE DOOR PART? >> WHERE IS YOUR OTHER FIRE EXIT
IN THE BUILDING? >> IN THE BACK.
ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. A MAIN HALLWAY --
>> YOU HAVE REST ROOMS? >> YES, THE SIDE DOOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE BACK ROOM, THE PRIVATE BACK ROOM, ANOTHER DOOR THAT LEADS OUT THERE.
ANOTHER DOOR IN THE KITCHEN AND ON THE SECONDS FLOOR, THERE IS A FIRE ESCAPE OUT OF THAT THAT LEADS DOWNSTAIRS THAT IS PICTURE CENTRAL. EVERYBODY IS TAKING PICTURES.
EVERYTHING ELSE ON THOSE STAIRS. AND I CHAINED IT OFF, AND THEY TAKE THE CHAIN DOWN. BUT JUST DON'T SLIP AND FALL AND
COME AFTER ME FOR IT. >> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE DOORS. IT WILL MIMIC THE CHARACTER THAT
IS THERE CURRENTLY. >> AS WEST AS WE CAN.
>> NO. >> THEY ARE NOT THE MAIN DOORS.
THEY ARE GOING TO A SINGLE DOOR, AND THEY ARE GOING TO FRAME OUT
PART OF THAT SPACE. >> IN A SIMILAR STYLE.
>> HE HAS GOT A PICTURE HERE. >> YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT?
>> PEBBLES LEE: IT IS VERY WIDE CURRENTLY.
THAT IS A BIG SPACE. >> IT IS A FAIRLY WIDE DOOR.
>> YEAH, I THINK IT WILL BE -- I AM NOT SURE THE DIRECT MEASUREMENT. A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
THE CONTRACT OTHER IS DOING S THIS.
>> PEBBLES LEE: WE WILL PROBABLY WAIT TO DISCUSS IT.
>> I TRIED TO PULL THE ARCHIVES ON THEM WITH THE L1 PRESERVATION LEAGUE. NOTHING ON THE WINDOWS.
MORE INTERNALS. >> THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND TOO.
THE ONLY ONES WE COULD FIND ARE THE ONES BOARDED UP AND CAN'T TELL WHAT IS THERE ANYWAY. SO THOSE ARE DOORS.
I WILL GET TO THE WINDOWS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE INTERESTED OF THE WINDOWS ABOVE THE AWNING.
AWNING. WHILE WE ARE ON THE AWNING, WE
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JUST NEEDED TO FIX -- AND WE ALREADY HAVE DONE SOME OF THAT.DRY ROT WAS PRETTY AGGRESSIVE IN FRONT OF THAT AWNING TREND.
WE WANT APPLES TO APPLES BACK IN AND PAINT FIXED THAT BUT HAVEN'T PAINTSED IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL YET.
THE WINDOWS ABOVE, THE WHITE CAULKING.
AND ALL THE WINDOWS BLOWN OUT IN A HAILSTORM AND PUT BACK IN AND NEVER REALLY PAINTED AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD MATCH THAT PAINT BECAUSE SO BLEACHED OUTS. AND BRIAN WASN'T MUCH OF FIXING THAT STUFF IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TO, SO HE DIDN'T.
GO BACK IN WITH THE EXACT SAME THING AND IF YOU WERE INTERESTED WITH THE MULLIONS AND WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
>> THE THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS. >> THE SECTION ALSO COME OUT AND YOU CAN GO BACK IN AND KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS GOT.
ALMOST -- ALMOST EXACTLY. >> THAT MAKES ME HAPPY.
>> YEAH. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT.
>> IT WILL THAT BE WITH LONGER LASTING MATERIALS.
>> IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE SEPARATE PIECES OF GLASS?
>> YES, SEPARATE PIECES OF GLASS.
>> GREEN, YELLOW AND RED AT THE TOP?
>> NO. WE ARE TRYING TO GET RIDS OF THE RED AND GREEN. WE ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT PLAYING LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE NATURAL BRICK THAT IS THERE. WE PICKED A COUPLE OF COLORS FOR TRIM AND SOME OF THE BIGGER AREAS, I GUESS THERE IS TRIM --
>> PEBBLES LEE: DO YOU HAVE PAINT SWATCHES WITH YOU?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> PEBBLES LEE: CAN WE SEE
>> WHAT ABOUT THE BRICKS BEYOND THE AWNS.
BRICK WALL FOR SOME? >> THE BRICK WALL IS IN GOOD SHAPE. JUST NEEDS A CLEANING.
>> PEBBLES LEE: OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT CLEANING.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CLEAN IT? BECAUSE POWER WASHING IS BAD FOR
HISTORIC MORTAR. >> THIS WILL BE LOW PRESSURE.
>> DARKER TRIM -- >> THE DOOR WILL BE A OIL STAIN?
>> HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN GET --
>> SORT OF BROWN -- GO AHEAD. >> PEBBLES LEE: I AM TELLING Y'ALL TO BE VERY CAREFUL. DO NOT POWER WASH THAT BUILDING WITH HIGH PRESSUE. YOU CAN GET WATER INTO -- BEHIND THE BRICK, AND IT CAN CAUSE SOME REAL DAMAGE IN HISTORIC BU G
BUILDINGS. >> THE BRICK SO AS MUCH -- THE BRICK ITSELF IS NOT THE DIRTY -- IF YOU SEE THE TOP THERE.
THE MASONRY TO THE TOP. IT IS KIND OF MOLD, I GUESS THAT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THE JOINTS THAT SEPARATE THOSE SEPARATE SECTIONS OF CONCRETE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS CALLED. >> SOME OF THAT STUFF FALLING OUT BECAUSE IT IS SO OLD SO WE HAVE TO FILL THAT STUFF IN.
IT IS REALLY DINGY AND OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T BEEN CLEANED FOR QUITE
SOME TIME. >> THE BRICK ITSELF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS CLEANING BUT MORE THE TOP EDGE.
>> PEBBLES LEE: IF YOU HAVE TO, AND TURNS OUT THAT MORTAR IS
VERY FRAGILE -- >> TWO SECTIONS UP HERE THAT ARE CONCRETE, I GUESS. THAT IS WHERE IT IS KIND OF MOLDED OUT AND ALL THE WAY FROM THE FRONT.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO CLEAN P UP.
>> THAT CONCRETE OR -- >> WONDERFUL QUESTION.
I THINK IT IS CONCRETE. >> CAST STONE IS --
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IT -- >> PEBBLES LEE: I WOULD USE A BRUSH, A SCRUB BRUSH. WILL BE BEAUTIFUL.
AND THEN JUST REAL GENTLY. >> YOU CAN PAINT IT -- IT IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE STRUCTURALLY. BUT JUST DIRTY.
>> WE HAVE GOT TWO CONVERSATIONS -- WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE CONVERSATION. I HAD -- EARLY ON, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME AGO, THE CITY USED TO SEND LANDMARKS COMMISSIONERS TO ALL KIND OF TRAINS.
STATE AND NATIONAL TRAINING. I SAT IN SEMINAR WHERE IS THEY TALKED OF POWER WASHING, THE DAMAGE IT CAN DO WITH HISTORIC
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BUILDINGS. AND BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DAMAGE. BUT IT NEEDS CLEANING AND YOU WILL BE BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU CLEAN IT.>> THAT IS THE GOAL. YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, KNOW, THERE'S -- WE OWE IT TO THAT PROPERTY TO KIND OF MAKE IT RESTORED AND MAKE LOOK GOOD AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS REALLY -- FOR ME PERSONALLY, I STRUGGLE WITH KIND OF THE LOOK OF IT, BUT SO MUCH WORK ON THE INSIDE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, PLUMBING.
THAT IS OF THE BLIND SHARE WHERE MY EXPENSES HAVE GONE.
AND PRECOVID WE WERE GETTING READY TO DO THE SAME THING AND KEELING WITH NICK WATTS. I WAS TALKING TO HIM A LITTLE BIT AND MOVING TOWARD THERE AND COVID HAPPENED AND I GOT A LITTLE SKITTISH OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.
WE ARE PAST THAT. NOW WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND KIND OF RESTORE AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMPETE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE MAKING THEIR BUILDINGS LOOK GREAT WITH THE HELP OF THE -- OF SOME PEOPLE, WE SUBMITTED FOR A GRANT FROM THE PRESERVATION PEOPLE. KNOCK ON WOOD.
MAYBE WE WILL GET SOME LUCK WITH IT.
>> I THINK YOU ARE FINE WITH THE PRODUCTS THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR IT. THEY APPLY TO OUR CODE WHICH IS 3.4.4.5.5. USING THE GENTLEST MEASURES.
THOSE PRODUCTS WORK. KEVIN CAN ATTEST TO IT CLEANING UP ABILENE HERITAGE SQUARE AND WILL PRESERVE IT.
>> THE BRICKS ARE NEAT. THEY DON'T HAVE PRICK LIKE THAT ANYMORE. HE KNOWS.
HE IS A MASON. THEY DON'T MAKE BRICK THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT ANYMORE. WITH THE COLOR CHOICES, WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY PLAY WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER ISSUE WE CURRENTLY PLAY WITH NOW, IT'S DUSTY ALL THE TIME.
SO ANYWHERE I CAN HELP KIND OF HIDE SOME OF THAT DUST, THE BETTER, ESPECIALLY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO SIT OUTSIDE.
YOU KNOW, I COULD -- RIGHT NOW THE TRIM IS KIND OF INFORM A GLOSSY BLACK. AND I CAN CLEAN IT OFF, AND WITHIN AN HOUR IT IS COVERED IN DIRT AGAIN.
>> PEBBLES LEE: I AM SORRY. TELL ME ABOUT THESE TWO COLORS.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THIS LIGHTER AND THIS DARKER?
>> THE DARKER IS GO TO BE ON THE DRILL.
WE WILL DO THAT. AROUND THE CURRENT GLASS IN THE FRONT. AND THEN WE WILL USE THAT ON THE AWNING TRIM AS WELL. AND THEN THE WINDOWS UP ABOVE -- THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS, WE WERE GOING TO USE THE LIGHTER COLOR. AND THEN FOR THE MULLION WI S WINDOWS, I THINK WE WERE ALSO GOING TO GO WITH THE DARKER COLOR BECAUSE THE WAY -- GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF CONTRAST BETWEEN THE SECOND-FLOOR WINDOW AND THE MULLION WINDOWS.
>> THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT BLACKED OUT WHEN YOU DO THE MULLION
WINDOWS? >> THEY WILL BE ALUMINIUM.
>> AND THEN THE GLASS THAT WE ARE GOING BACK IN WITH IS ■GOINT TO IT. BECAUSE IT DOES IN THE MORNING THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING JUST COOKS WHERE THE SUN COMES UP.
THE BACK OF THE BUILDING GETS IT AT THE END OF THE DAY AND SOME OF THE HEAT THAT GETS HIT WITH THE WINDOWS.
AND EVERYONE WANTS TO SIT AT THE FRONT.
THE WAY THAT IS IN THERE IT IS TRICKY TO KEEP THE RESTAURANT COOL IN AUGUST IN WEST TEXAS. ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO HELP THAT, THE BETTER. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET THE DOORS TOO. A GAP THIS BIG IN BETWEEN THE DOUBLE DOORS THE WAY THEY FUNCTION RIGHT NOW AND THE HOOD OF THAT DRAWING AIR THROUGH THERE.
USING THAT AS A SUPPLY AND EVERYTHING THROUGH THE FRONT OF OF THAT INCLUDING THE HOT AIR. WE ARE TRYING TO SEAL THE BUILDING UP FOR AN ENERGY STANDPOINT WHICH IS DIFFICULT IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE WAY THEY WERE LAID OUT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE WERE TO DO WITH THAT WHITE TILE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL IT IS TILE ALONG THE BOTTOM.
A LOT OF THAT IS STAINED, CRACKED, BROKEN.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT AND JUST -- WE ARE GOING TO
STUCCO -- >> SMOOTH SAND FINISH.
STUCCO UNDERNEATH. >> WHICH WILL BE -- I BELIEVE IT IS A LITTLE MORE RELEVANT TO WHAT IT INITIALLY WAS.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO TILE LIKE THAT.
AND WE WILL PAINT THAT AS WELL. AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE LIGHTER COLOR AS WELL FROM THAT PALETTE THAT WE CHOSE.
AND THEN THE SIGN. I THINK WE ARE JUST GOING TO PAINT THE SIGN BECAUSE IT IS ALL RUSTED OUT.
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WE WILL KEEP NEON. BECAUSE NEON IS COOL AND WE DON'T DO IT ANYMORE. HE WANTS TO KEEP THE NEON.MY WIFE WANTS TO KEEP THE NEON. SOIL KEEP THE NEON.
THERE IS ONE GUY IN TOWN THAT CAN DO IT.
>> HAVE YOU FOUND ANY HISTORIC PICTURES? THE MAIN THING ABOUT THE TILE WORK THAT IS THERE NOW, THAT --
>> ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE? >> YEAH.
>> MOST OF THE PICTURES THAT I FOUND HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP KIND OF PICTURES. YEAH, I MEAN -- THAT -- THAT AREA -- THERE IS -- I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING ELSE THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT WAS, BUT I KNOW FROM -- WHO WAS THAT.
I WAS TALKING TO JOE ABOUT IT AND HE SAID THAT TILE WAS PUT IN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE JUDY LIKED THAT TILE.
SO MORE OF A PREFERENCE FOR HER. >> MORE DECO AND WOULDN'T HAVE
HAPPENED BACK IN THE '20S. >> IT REALLY -- I AM NOT SURE IT EVEN MATCHES THE BUILDING VERY WELL.
>> I WOULD AGREE. >> NOW HE HAS GOT BEAUTIFUL ANTIQUE TILE WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR.
THE FRONT DOOR. THE MAIN ENTRANCE THEIR WALKING ON. AND IT IS THOSE LITTLE HEXAGONS AND THIS IS HISTORIC. A LITTLE BIT OF IT IS CRACKED
BUT IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. >> NO BIG HOLES AND WE CAN
PROBABLY FIND IF NEEDED TO. >> BUT WE CAN BUY THAT AGAIN.
SO EVEN IF THEY DID, BUT I -- THAT LOOKED GOOD.
I WOULDN'T MIND IF YOU KEPT THE FLOOR TILE.
>> WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF M MESSING WITH THAT.
>> IT'S REAL PRETTY AND HISTORIC LOOKING.
>> THAT YOUR LIST? >> THAT'S IT.
I DON'T THINK WE MISSED AN G ANYTHING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR S US?
>> REPLACING THE BLACK. >> THE BLACK TRIM AROUND THE
CURRENT, YES. >> SO DARK GREEN AND BLACK ARE GETTING REPLACED WITH THE DARK BROWN.
THE WHITE TILE POSSIBLY AND UPSTAIRS THE RUST COLOR WITH THE
>> THE CURVED WINDOWS. I WILL TAKE THE STARS AND STICKERS OUTS BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE CHINSY BUT THAT'S JUST ME. LITTLE PLASTIC AND GOLD STARS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE ARE HISTORIC.
BUT THE CURRENTS WINDOWS -- EVERYBODY LOVES THE CURVED WINDOWS GAPS BECAUSE METAL FRAME AND WE WILL TRY FILL SOME OF THE GAPS WITH SOME SORT OF A SILICONE AND SOMETHING TO SEAL THEM UP PAUSE THEY STARTED TO PULL APART.
BUT I DON'T -- I COULDN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO REFRAME THOSE.
WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. WE WILL LEAVE THEM UNTIL A PIECE FALLS OUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WILL GET BACK IN THERE WITH A PIECE OF CURVED GLASS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY MAKE THEM
>> HORRIBLE. BUT WE WILL NOT ADDRESS PULLING OUT WINDOWS. BECAUSE -- I WANT TO SAY THERE ARE 36 WINDOWS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND A LOT OF WATERS, AND THEY ARE BIG.
SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I IS REALLY -- WE ARE JUST GOING TO PAINT. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO DEALING WITH THE UPSTAIRS AND RENOVATING THE UPSTAIRS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PULL -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL PULL THEM, BUT HE'S GOT SOME IDEAS HOW WE CAN LEAVE THOSE WINDOWS REALLY JUST REPLACE THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT IS A WHOLE -- >> JUST SOME IDEAS.
OKAY, SO THEY MAY NEED REGLAZING WHEN YOU PAINT THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT TO REPAIR. BUT THERE ARE STORM WINDOWS THAT
YOU CAN APPLY FROM THE INSIDE. >> OKAY.
>> THAT WE HAVE APPROVED BEFORE. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT INSTALLING STORM WINDOWS FROM ITS INSIDE, BUT
THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN ABILENE. >> SURE.
AND THOSE WERE ALL MEANT TO OPEN AT ONE POINT.
THEY HAD WEIGHTS ON THEM. >> DO ANY OF THEM OPEN?
>> I WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY. FOR FEAR OF NOT BEING ABLE TO
CLOSE THEM. >> IF YOU HAVE SPICES IN THE UPSTAIRS, GOING UP AND DOWN. LOSING A LOT OF HEAT.
>> RIGHT NOW NONE OF THAT IS UNDER AIR.
THE BACK SECTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
THERE ARE STORAGE OFFICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOME OF IT IS UNDER AIR BUT THE BULK OF THE SECOND FLOOR IS NOT
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UNDER AIR. THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROJECT AND PUT MORE AIR CONDITIONERS ON THE ROOF THAN WEALREADY HAVE. >> THE CITY PEOPLE COME SNIFFING AROUND SUGGESTING THAT YOU NEED SPRINKLERS IN YOUR BUILDING.
>> I ALREADY HAVE IT. >> DO YOU?
I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT. >> A DRY SYSTEM ON THE SECONDS FLOOR AND A WET SYSTEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN PUT THAT IN, BUT IT WAS PRETTY EARLY ON.
ORIGINALLY THERE WAS -- I BELIEVE BRIAN SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME WITH AN APARTMENT ON THE SECONDS FLOOR ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND I THINK IN ORDER FOR HIM TO STAY THERE, HE HAD TO PUT THE SYSTEM IN SO WE HAD FROM THE SECOND FLOOR AND INSTALL THOSE AND PROBABLY UTILIZE SOME OF THE RENOVATIONS UP THERE TO KEEP THAT TIN.
IT IS PRETTY NEAT. A NEAT BUILDING.
OLD BUILDINGS HAVE OLD PROBLEMS. WE HAVE DEALT WITH A LOT OF
>> WE ARE BRINGING IN A PRESERVATION TRADESPERSON FROM DALLAS TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TOWARD THE WINDOWS.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP. >> ANYTHING ELSE?
THINK YOU GOT IT ALL? >> I THINK SO.
>> OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION.
>> THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECES TO THAT PUZZLE.
>> PEBBLES LEE: A LOT OF P S PIECES.
>> PEBBLES LEE: A LOT OF IT IS MAINTENANCE.
>> WHICH WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T DISCUSS BUT COLLECTIVELY FOR A LARGE-SCALE PROJECT. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE TAKING IT ON. NOTHING SEEMED OUT OF THE ORDINARY, THE COLOR SELECTIONS WERE IN ACCORDANCE.
>> PEBBLES LEE: THOSE WILL BE PRETTY.
>> WEDS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOORS BUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND HISTORICAL PICTURES THAT DEFINITIVELY SAY WHAT DOORS WERE ON THOSE TWO LOCATIONS WHEN IT SPLIT, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ARCHIVAL TO SAY WE CAN'T GO THROUGH A SINGLE OLD DOOR.
>> PEBBLES LEE: IT WILL BE PRETTY WITH THE FRAMED-OUT GLASS
>> PEBBLES LEE: THAT WILL BE VERY PRETTY AND IT WILL LOOK
HISTORIC. >> IT WILL FINISH OFF THAT BLOCK AGAIN AND BRING IT BACK TO 1993 OR BETTER FEBRUARY PEBZ AND THE GREEN WITH THOSE. WOW, THAT IS GOING TO BE AMAZING TO HAVE THAT BRAND-NEW. THAT IS REALLY GOING TO CLEAN THAT UP. AND I -- SO I WAS JUST DOWN THERE. BECAUSE I COULDN'T TELL SOME OF THE PHOTOS IN THE PACKET ARE PRETTY TINY WHEN I WAS HOME LOOKING AT MY COMPUTER. AND RAN DOWN THERE BEFORE AND ACTUALLY AND BOTH OUT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME BY ACCIDENT. SO WE CHATTED JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THE WHITE TILE ARE HISTORIC.
YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT THEM. I AM NOT SURE WHAT WAS THERE.
IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT WAS PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF STUCCO OR
SOMETHING. >> THE PICTURES FROM THE '30S -- '20S FROM THE '40S WERE GRAINY AT BEST BUT LOOKED MORE EARTHY.
WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING WITH THE SANDSTONE FINISH WILL BLEND IN NICELY AND LOOK SOLID WITH THE COLOR PALETTE.
>> PEBBLES LEE: THEY ARE KEEPING THE HISTORIC TILE AS YOU GO INTO THE FRONT DOOR THAT YOU WALK ON.
AND THEY KNOW TO USE GENTLE CLEANING.
>> I THINK THIS WILL BE A WELCOMED 30TH ANNIVERSARY FOR THE RESTAURANT. FEBRUARY PEBZ WHEN IS THAT.
WHEN IS IT OFFICIALLY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY NOVEMBER OF '93. BECAUSE THERE IS -- FEBRUARY PEBZ SO NEXT YEAR. THE 30.
>> YES. >> NEXT YEAR WAS 30 YEARS SINCE THE RENOVATION AND THEY ARE NOT CHANGING THE SIGN.
SO THEY ARE JUST -- DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I LOVE TO AROF CA-2022-02. >> SECOND.
>> PEBBLES LEE: I HAVE A M N MOTION.
>> JAIME DALZELL: YES. >> JOSH BLACK: YES.
>> STEVE BUTMAN: YES. >> MICHAEL MCCLELLAN: YES.
>> PEBBLES LEE: YES. >> MELISSA FARR: THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES. ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT
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