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DEAR LORD GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MOMENT TO BE TOGETHER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

WE ASK THAT YOU WILL JUST BE WITH THIS GROUP, BE WITH US AS WE THINK OF HOW BEST WE CAN SERVE OUR NEIGHBORS AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR LOCAL LEADERS.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR STATE LEADERS.

WE THINK FOR OUR NATIONAL LEADERS.

SO WE ASK THAT YOU WILL GIVE WISDOM AT EACH LEVEL.

LORD WE WE THANK YOU FOR OUR ROLE AS CITIZENS TO BE PART OF THAT AND TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

WE PRAISE YOU AND WE LOVE YOU.

WE ASK FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR FORGIVENESS FOR OUR MISTAKES.

AND WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE FOR US AS WE TAKE EACH NEW STEP FORWARD AND YOUR SON'S NAME, WE PRAY.

AMEN. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THE APPROVAL OF PLATTS.

HOWEVER, IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF ZONING.

THE DECISION TO THIS BOARD MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING, ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR.

THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND PURPOSE FOR APPEARING.

EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN 5 MINUTES.

ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR CLOCK OVER HERE TODAY, AND WE'LL WE'VE GOT THAT SET FOR THREE.

AND THEN IF I NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME AND WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME, WE CAN WE CAN ALLOW THAT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT TO 3 MINUTES.

TODAY, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[MINUTES]

AND THIS CALLS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

EVERYBODY SHOULD HAD OUR MINUTES IN OUR PACKET.

I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING WITH ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS OUR MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE PREVIOUS MINUTES.

THE SECOND MOTION MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR ARE THE NEXT ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA ARE PLAT.

[PLATS]

ADAM, ARE YOU READY? GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND.

I WORK FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

FIRST, I'LL BE PRESENTING PRELIMINARY PLAT 2622.

THIS IS FOREST MEADOWS, SECTION TWO.

THIS PLOT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER THREE, ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SUBDIVISION STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO CHANGE THE NAME OF GLEN ABBEY STREET TO GLEN ABBEY AND CHANGE THE NAME OF LAXMI DRIVE TO TIN CUP.

THE NEXT PLOT ON THE AGENDA IS FINAL PLAT 4022 LOT 201 BLOCK TWO JOHNSTON SUBDIVISION.

THIS PLOT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER TWO.

CHAPTER THREE ARTICLE TWO OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

CITY STAFF MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A TITLE OPINION OR TITLED COMMITMENT LETTER.

ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE TO APPROVED PLANS AND INSPECTED FOR ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS.

DEPARTMENT MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A FINANCIAL GUARANTEE AND THE 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT TO BE DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC ALLEY, WHICH CONNECTS THE EXISTING ALLEY RUNNING NORTH OF THIS PLOT TO ELM STREET.

THIRD ON THE AGENDA IS PRELIMINARY PLAT 4722 IBERIS ESTATES.

THIS PLOT HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER THREE, ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ADAM PUT TO 4020 TO BACK UP THEIR THE PLAN.

SO EXPLAIN THE BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL ABANDONING THAT ALLEY SO EXPLAIN THAT ALLEY THAT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE NORTH AND SOUTH.

THIS ALLEY WAS ABANDONED.

THE SOUTH 382 FEET OF THIS ALLEY WERE ABANDONED IN 1997.

THIS WAS ORDINANCE NUMBER 50 OF 1997.

AND ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS REQUIRED IN THAT ORDINANCE WAS THAT THERE BE A CONNECTION TO ELM STREET FROM THERE, AND THERE WAS NO TIME LIMIT ON THAT. SO WE'RE. THERE WAS NO TIME TO NO TIME.

AND WE'RE WERE SEALING. SO THE EASEMENT THAT IS UP THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT RUNS EAST AND WEST, THAT IT SAYS UTILITY EASEMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND IN YOUR COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT TO THE ALLEY EASEMENT.

SO THE ALLEY WILL ACTUALLY BE AN L-SHAPED ALLEY COMING FROM THE NORTH AND TURNING EAST, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? THESE PLANTS CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THESE.

YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.

HELLO. MY NAME IS RONALD POSTEN.

I'M THE OWNER OF AMBER DRAGON MEADERY AT 717 BUTTERNUT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.

THIS IS. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

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IN 1997, THIS ALLEY WAY MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, BUT IT'S VERY MUCH AN ACTIVE ALLEYWAY TODAY.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OVER THE COURSE OF A MONTH THAT WALK UP AND DOWN THIS ALLEYWAY.

I AND MY BUSINESS RECEIVE DELIVERIES OF GLASSWARE.

WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

WE RUN OUT OF 717, SEVEN, 19, BUTTERNUT.

ALL THREE OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE THRIVING.

BACK IN 1997, THESE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA MIGHT HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THE WAY IT IS NOW.

BUT WITH REVITALIZATION OF ABILENE, I HAVE PUT IN PUT UNTOLD AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND TIME INTO MY BUSINESS TO BRING IT UP TO CODE AND BRING IT FORWARD.

IF THIS ALLEY IS PLATTED AND IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE OWNER OF THE MORTUARY WHO IS PUSHING TO HAVE IT ADDED TO HIS CONTROL POINT, THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR ONE FOR BUSINESSES FOR TWO TRASH PICKUP WILL CHANGE FROM A PICKUP ON THE ALLEY TO ELM, WHICH MEANS I'VE GOT TO WALK ACROSS ENTIRE FIELD AND ALLEY AND EVERYTHING.

JUST PUT MY TRASH IN ON ELM STREET TO BE PICKED UP.

IF IT'S GOING TO GO THAT WAY, THAT'S A 90 DEGREE TURN.

THERE WAS A TELEPHONE POLE THERE.

ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE.

THE GENTLEMAN IS GOING TO HAVE HIS LIVES BEHIND ME, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ALLEY ON TWO SIDES OF HIS HOUSE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR.

I'VE SPOKEN TO EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS AND HOMEOWNER ADJACENT VALLEY.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS AGAINST THIS.

THEY DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS ALLEY SHOULD BE ABANDONED.

IT'S AN ACTIVE IT'S AN ACTIVE ALLEYWAY.

WE THINK ABOUT AN ALLEYWAY AND AN ABANDONED, ABANDONED ALLEYWAY.

AN ALLEYWAY SHOULD NOT BE ABANDONED.

IT CONSTITUTES AS A PUBLIC CHANGE WITHOUT BENEFIT.

THAT ALLEYWAY DOES BENEFIT.

IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY IN THE AREA.

IT GETS THEM WALKING.

SERVICE DELIVERY.

ALFONSO'S RIGHT.

THE STREET HAS THEIR TRUCKS THAT COME DOWN THAT ALLEY.

I HAVE TRUCKS THAT COME DOWN THE ALLEY.

IT MAKES THE LOADING DOCK THAT MY BUSINESS INEFFECTUAL BECAUSE I CANNOT GET A LARGER RIG IN TO DROP OFF PALLETS.

IT'S REALLY A BAD CHOICE TO REPLANT.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT A RE IMPACT ASSESSMENT BE DONE ON THIS ALLEY TO SHOW THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.

I DO HAVE LETTER SIGNED BY ALL OF THE PEOPLE I CAN GET TO SIGN.

NOW, THESE ARE WORKING, WORKING FOLK.

THEY GET UP EVERY MORNING.

THEY'RE OUT, OUT AND WORKING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY TO COME HERE.

BEING EX-MILITARY, THE FREEDOM OF TAKING A DAY OFF.

I COULD BE IN HERE TO FIGHT THIS.

BUT HERE'S THESE LETTERS FROM THESE FROM THESE PEOPLE SAYING THAT THIS ALLEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PAINTED, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN ABANDONED.

BUT WELL, WE NEED TO LOOK AT REVERSING THAT.

RIGHT. IT SHOULDN'T BE ABANDONED.

THIS IS A VIBRANT AREA.

IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW ABILENE AS A CITY, WE'RE GOING TO BRING MORE BUSINESS AND BRING MORE THINGS IN.

BACK IN THE DAY, BUTTERNUT WAS A HAPPY STREET.

IT WAS. IT WAS A THOROUGHFARE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SODA DISTRICT AND THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND REVITALIZATION OF BUSINESSES.

WE START SHUTTING THE ALLEYS IN THIS AREA, AND THIS AREA IS GROWING AND BRINGING IN COMMERCE HAPPILY.

WE START SHUTTING DOWN THESE HOURS.

WE START IMPACTING TRUCKS AND BUSINESSES AND GROWTH THAT COULD HAPPEN IN FUTURE.

AND I ASK AGAIN, RE IMPACT ASSESSMENT TAKEN OUT OF AN ABANDONED STATE AND MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL BECAUSE IT IS NOT BENEFITING ABILENE IS BENEFITING THE SINGLE PERSON BY MAKING IT A.

I'D LIKE TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS.

IT'S NOT SIMPLY ME COMING UP HERE SAYING THIS.

IT'S IT'S DIRECTLY IMPACTING MY BUSINESS.

THERE'S ANOTHER GENTLEMAN BACK THERE, MR. DAVID. HE HAS A BUSINESS THERE AS WELL.

IT'S IMPACTING THE OTHER BUSINESS ON THE FAR SIDE.

I'D LIKE TO TURN THESE IN.

SO. SO THESE CAN BE SEEN AS WELL BY ME.

SURE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND THEN WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS.

THIS IS NOT AN ALLY THAT SHOULD EVER HAVE BEEN BANNED.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.

WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. LET'S BRING IT UP.

I'M NOT GOOD AT THIS, THOUGH. ANYWAY, I.

THE ALLEY IS NOT ABANDONED.

IT'S BEING USED BY THIS MAN.

MAN, WOULD YOU TELL US YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. LORRAINE EASTMAN.

THE OTHER HALF OF 717 AND 719.

BUT WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? COME ON UP HERE. WE'LL SHARE OUR 3 MINUTES.

IT IS ABANDONED WHEN THE PUBLIC NO LONGER FINDS IT NECESSARY.

BUT IT'S USED EVERY DAY BY THE PUBLIC AND BY CARS.

THE TRASH TRUCK. BUT CITY HAS NOT ABANDONED IT BECAUSE THE CITY USES IT TWICE A WEEK AT LEAST TO PICK UP TRASH.

SO WHERE THE TELEPHONE POLE IS BEHIND OUR LOT.

EVEN IF YOU TAKE THAT BEND, NO ONE COULD TURN LIKE YOU.

YOU COULDN'T EVEN TURN A TRASH TRUCK RIGHT THERE.

HE WOULD HAVE TO. IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE LIKE IT.

IT'S GOING TO WASTE SO MUCH LAND WHEN IT'S ALREADY PAVED AND READY TO USE AS IT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABANDONED.

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IT'S USED EVERY DAY BY PEOPLE AND BY THE CITY.

SO IT'S CLEARLY NOT ABANDONED WHEN IT'S USED BY THE CITY AND THE UTILITIES.

IT WOULD BE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE IT RENDERS OUR LOADING DOCK USELESS.

NO CARS, NO TRUCK AND DELIVERY PERSON COULD MAKE THAT 90 DEGREE TURN BECAUSE THE TELEPHONE POLE IS IN THE WAY.

SO THERE'S NO I MEAN, IT'S JUST MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

IT'S NOT ABANDONED.

IT'S STILL IN USE. IT IS RETAINED.

NOT REALLY. ALL WHAT YOU SAID IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL.

HE'S THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNER RIGHT NEXT TO US.

WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? THAT'S A LITTLE RESTAURANT THAT'S ABOUT TO BE.

IT JUST CREATES A PROBLEM.

WELL, THE PUBLIC IS BETTER SERVED BY BY LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS.

THERE'S NO REAL REASON. I MEAN, CLEARLY, THIS WOULD HAVE EXPIRED UNDER A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.

IT WAS 1997.

THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS WHATSOEVER.

SO THE ONLY REASON WE FOUND OUT IS WE SAW SURVEY STAKES AND TAKE THE TIME TO CALL.

SO IT'S NOT ABANDONED.

IT'S USED EVERY DAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO REVERSE THAT.

WE WOULD HAVE NO, WE WOULDN'T.

WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY IF THERE'S NO ALLEYWAY ACCESS.

SO I MEAN, LITERALLY NONE.

WE WOULD HAVE NONE.

WE WOULD HAVE NO TRASH.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IS THIS.

IF IT STRETCHES JUST ONE CITY AFTER WE USE IT, IT'S NOT ABANDONED.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ADAM, COME BACK UP.

I'LL ASK YOU BEFORE I GET IN MY QUESTION.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR ADAM? THIS WAS WAS THE USE OF THE ABANDONED THE ONGOING USE OF THE ABANDONED ALLEYWAY CONSIDERED OR LOOKED AT? OR WAS IT JUST WHEN WE PULLED THE DEEDS, WAS IT SHOWN TO BE ABANDONED? SO IT WASN'T WASN'T THOUGHT TO BE LOOKED AT.

THE ABANDONMENT PROCESS INVOLVES FIRST GOING THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND IT WILL NOT BE FORMALLY ABANDONED UNTIL IT IS REPLANTED.

BUT THE 1997 AND LOOKING AT THE REPLANT AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF THE REPLANT, WAS THERE A NEW SURVEY LOOKING LOOK TO SEE IF IT HAS TRULY BEEN ABANDONED? I KNOW IT'S BEEN ABANDONED TECHNICALLY THROUGH THE THE USE, BUT BASED ON WHAT EVERYBODY SAID HERE TODAY SINCE IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE.

OKAY. SO MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY TO ANSWER IT.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EIGHT LOTS.

WAS THERE WAS IS THERE EIGHT LOTS? THERE NOW ARE ONLY TWO AND WE'RE COMBINING THOSE INTO ONE.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE SEVERAL PLATTED LOTS, BUT THEY'RE ALL CURRENTLY UNDER ONE SINGULAR OWNERSHIP.

SO BUT THE BUT THE ALLEY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE PLANS.

THE ALLEY IS THE IS THE IS THERE'S STILL AN ALLEY EASEMENT THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS THEY'RE GATHERING ALL OF THAT PROPERTY INTO ONE AND CLAIMING THE ALLEY, WHICH THEY CAN DO.

YES. BECAUSE THEY OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY.

YES. SO THEY CAN CLAIM THE WHOLE ALLEY.

YES. OKAY. TO CLEAR THAT UP.

SO WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT MAKING THE TURN THERE THAT I DID THINK THAT WAS KIND OF TIED FOR TRASH TRUCKS AND TRY TO MAKE THAT TURN.

HAS THAT BEEN INVESTIGATED? I GUESS I GUESS REFUGE'S APPROVED THIS.

WE'RE WAITING ON CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO BE APPROVED RIGHT THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS.

THEY WILL BE REVIEWED BY SOLID WASTE THE REGULAR DRC COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THE SOLID WASTE TRUCKS CAN MAKE THAT TURN. THAT WILL BE DONE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN.

WE NEED MORE EASEMENT.

OR WHAT IF THEY NEED A BIGGER, WIDER EASEMENT TO GET THE TRASH, GET THE TRUCKS AROUND THAT CORNER? THAT MEANS IF THERE'S ANY ALTERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, THAT MEANS IT HAD TO COME BACK TO YOU.

THE PLANT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.

YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED.

LOOK, WE KIND OF GOT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, MAYBE, I DON'T THINK OUT OF INFORMATION TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

YEAH. SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER CHEW OR KELLY WERE THERE.

WHAT? WHAT IS OUR.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT'S COME UP SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, AND I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

SO WHAT? WHAT? I KNOW IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION, THEN IT'S 30 DAYS AND IT GOES INTO EFFECT.

AND SO IF WE TABLE THIS FOR FURTHER FOR FURTHER REVIEW, IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE ACTION ON THIS OR WHAT IS IT? IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS, THEN YOU SHOULD APPROVE AND OR IT WOULD.

NOW IF IT DOESN'T MEET SOME STANDARD, I THINK YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY SAY THAT YOU'RE DENYING IT BECAUSE IT FAILS TO MEET SOME STANDARD, BUT I GUESS SO.

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ONE, YOU MIGHT ASK ABOUT THE THE ALLEY, THE WIDTH BECAUSE THIS IS A TINY BUT TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME WIDTH AS THE ALLEY THAT EXISTS TO THE NORTH.

AND SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION IS IS IT MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE MET? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT.

AND SO IT COULD BE DENIED IF IF THEY DIDN'T MEET THOSE CITY STANDARDS.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. RIGHT.

WELL, I THINK IT GOES THROUGH THE IT GOES THROUGH THE REVIEW.

THAT'S NOT A I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW YET. YEAH.

THEY MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH FOR AN ALLEYWAY.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN OF THE TURNING RADIUS.

THAT PARTICULAR ALLEY IS SERVED BY SIDE LOADERS, THE BIG ROUND TRASH CONTAINERS.

SO THEY DO HAVE A SHARPER TURNING RADIUS THAN A FRONT LOADER HAS.

BUT LIKE WE SAID, THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED.

EVEN THIS PROCESS HERE GOES THROUGH THE DRC FOR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE ALL THE NEEDS ARE MET WITH EACH DEPARTMENT.

SO BEFORE MICHAEL GETS TO, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT IN THAT THIS THIS PROPERTY IS SPLIT ZONING.

SO AND MAYBE WE HAVE A FEW CASES LIKE THAT IN TOWN, BUT THE WESTERN HALF IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND THE EASTERN HALF IS MEDIUM DENSITY.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT ZONING THE ALLEY WOULD TAKE ON BASED ON THAT.

DO YOU SPLIT ALLEY DOWN THE MIDDLE AND IT TAKES HALF AND HALF.

BUT SO I JUST IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ALSO A ZONING CASE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN ALL OF THIS.

SO ANYWAY, SO MICHAEL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PULL YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MICHAEL RICE, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

A GREAT QUESTION. ON THE ALLEY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU CANNOT GET A CORNER CLIP, WHICH USUALLY IS ABOUT 15 FEET DOWN BOTH ANGLES TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT RADIUS. IT HAS BEEN COMMON PRACTICE TO MAKE THE ALLEY A LITTLE WIDER, TO MAKE IT 30 FEET, BUT DOES ALLOW FOR PLENTY OF MANEUVERABILITY FOR THE TRUCKS TO MOVE AROUND THE CORNER.

IT IS. SO.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IF WE THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN SEE THAT WE REALLY NEED IS BASICALLY WHAT A WIDER ALLEY.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE IT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF OF THE LANDOWNER TO REPLANT THIS PROPERTY IN THIS MANNER.

SO DO WE PUT A CONDITION THAT WE MAKE THE EASEMENT 30 FEET FOR THE ALLEYWAY? IS THAT TIM IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO DO OR I RECOMMENDATION IS A RECOMMENDATION.

YOUR CONDITIONS CAN BE THE COMMISSION'S CONDITION.

SO HERE IN THE DISCUSSION, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR WOULD LIKE TO DO? WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAQUE SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER TWO? MAYBE MAYBE WE OUGHT TO START THAT FIRST.

AND LET'S LET'S GET THE OTHER TWO.

LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A MOTION ON PLANTS 22, 26 AND 47, 22, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THOSE TO.

AND IF I CAN INTERRUPT.

P P 22 TO 26 DID HAVE CONDITIONS.

SO THE QUESTION, ARE YOU MOVING TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED BY STAFF AS RECOMMENDED ON THAT ONE? AND ALSO THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.

OWEN 22, 26 AND 4722.

MR. BARNETT YES.

MR. BENHAM. YES.

MR. RUSSELL. YES.

MR. NOONAN. YES.

REVEREND LANKFORD. YES.

MR. FLEMING. YES.

AND MR. ROSENBAUM, YES.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

AND NOW IN PLAT 4022, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FROM HAVING OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEY AND MR. RICE AND ADAM HERE AND TIM.

MR.. SO WE DON'T OTHER THAN OTHER THAN I THINK THE ALLEY IS TOO NARROW AND I DON'T THINK THEY CAN MAKE THAT TURN AND RECOMMENDED THAT THAT ALLEY INCREASE. I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A MOTION OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SORRY, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSER, SIR.

YES, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

WE DON'T TAKE ANY MORE PUBLIC INPUT.

IT'S A HARD DECISION. I'M SORRY, SIR.

SAY IT AGAIN. IT WAS.

IT WAS INTERRUPTED.

SO I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. IT'S A HARD DECISION.

SO OTHER THAN.

OTHER THAN THE ALLEY WIDTH, WHICH WE CAN RECOMMEND, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION TO ADJUST THE TABLE, THE PLANT OR ANYTHING,

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ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.

I MEAN, THE LAW SAYS IF YOU DON'T APPROVE, IT'S APPROVED.

IT'S APPROVED WITHIN 30 DAYS.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WELL, AND THAT'S BEEN MY POINT, IS THAT IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, IT'S APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY WITHIN 30 DAYS.

SO IF WE IF WE DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION, IT GOES INTO EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.

AND THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, EVEN IF WE DO TAKE SOME ACTION, IT GOES INTO EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.

I MEAN, YOU COULD TECHNICALLY, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE EVER DONE THIS, BUT TECHNICALLY YOU COULD DENY IT IF IT DIDN'T.

IF THERE WAS SOME REASON IT DID NOT MEET SOME SPECIFIC STANDARD, I THINK THERE WOULD BE SUPPORT FOR THAT.

BUT SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING THE CASE.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IS THERE A STANDARD THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING WITH THIS WITH THIS PLANT? I DON'T I DON'T WANT US TO GET IN THE HABIT OF SECOND GUESSING THE ENGINEERS AND HAVE SIGNED OFF AND SAID IT'S POSSIBLE.

AND IF THEY GO AND DO THEIR REASSESSMENT AND DETERMINE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE 34, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MIKE THAT IT WILL THEIR AUTOMATIC WOULD BE TO EXTEND IT TO BEING 30 FEET TO MAKE SURE LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE THESE LANDOWNERS TO MOVE THEIR TRASH TO THE FRONT OR TO GET RID OF THEIR LOADING DOCKS. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, IT WOULD THE EASEMENT WOULD BE CHANGED TO TO ADJUST THE ALLEYWAY.

CORRECT. SO THE LOCATION OF THE TRASH IS 100% UNDER THE CITY'S ABILITY TO DECIDE WHERE THAT GOES.

THEY DO TRY TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO WHAT IS CONVENIENT.

BUT SOMETIMES DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES, WE DO MAKE CHANGES.

SOME CASES WE MOVE IT TO THE STREET, IN SOME CASES WE'LL MOVE IT FROM THE STREET TO THE ALLEY, DEPENDING UPON THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE IT BASED UPON WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AS LONG AS WE STILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE.

THE QUESTION ABOUT THE 30 FEET, YES, IT IS A REASONABLE WIDTH FOR 30 FOOT OFF OF A 20 TO PROVIDE PLENTY OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR THAT TERM.

OKAY. BUT IS THAT A STANDARD OR IS THAT A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS A POLICY OR PRACTICE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY A STANDARD, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE MORE THAN ONCE.

SO THE WHOLE QUESTION IS THAT IT WAS TOO SMALL.

SO ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO WIDEN IT OR IS THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SAY? MOTION WITH THE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OR WITH THE CONDITIONS? WELL, LET ME PHRASE A DIFFERENT WAY.

WILL IT? IF WE APPROVE THE PLAT, THE PLAN IS GOING TO GO GET FILED.

THE PLAT IS GOING TO HAVE A 20 FOOT EASEMENT ON IT AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO REVIEW THE SIDE PLAN AND COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, 20 FOOT IS NOT ENOUGH.

THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BRING ANOTHER PLAT TO US AND WE'LL GO GO THROUGH THE REPLANNING PROCESS AGAIN.

IF THEY WANT TO GET FILED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED FIRST.

OKAY. SO MAYBE I CAN HAVE THE ADDITIONAL AND THEN THE PLAT IF THAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO MAYBE THE CONDITION WOULD BE FOR THAT TO BE REVIEWED IN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND APPROPRIATELY ADJUSTED BEFORE THE FINAL FLASHES APPROVED AS A CONDITION.

EXCUSE ME. YES, SIR.

SIR, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. WHAT CAN I SAY? ANYTHING. HIS CITY STAMPS ARE STILL.

OH, BOY. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ALIENS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN BACK THEN.

YEAH. YEAH. SOMEBODY ELSE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE.

I GOING KNOCKING ON DOORS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS, PLEASE, SIR? IT'S VERY HARD TO HEAR YOU GUYS.

SO. SO YOUR VOICE IS SO LOW.

WHAT? I WANT TO FIND OUT WHY.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE YEN IS GOING TO BE WIDENED OR IT'S GOING TO BE KEPT.

OR WHY DON'T THEY PAVE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND KEEP THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH? RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THIS IS SET UP IS THAT ALI WILL MAKE A 90 DEGREE TURN RIGHT THERE AT THAT PROPERTY AND GO OUT TO ELM STREET.

WHICH PROPERTY? RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SHOWS IT.

THEN THE ALI WILL COME FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.

SIR, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN ADDRESS? SIR. MY ADDRESS.

WHAT? DO YOU WANT? TO BE ARGUING WITH ME? NO, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE. I'M JUST TO ASK YOU FOR AN EFFORT.

THAT'S ALL I ASK. I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS, SIR.

THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY THAT'S THERE.

IT'S GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT TO END RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE ALLEY WILL BE.

IN OTHER WORDS, GOING NORTH.

YOU MAKE A RIGHT FROM HERE.

THIS IS YOUR. THEY WANT TO MAKE A 90 DEGREE TURN.

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YOU TELEPHONE. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.

THIS IS. IS ALAN.

OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT MY PROFIT.

WELL, IT DOES, BECAUSE THEY WANT THIS.

ALI, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE ALI FROM START TO FINISH, FROM SEVENTH ALL THE WAY TO.

NO, NO.

JUST JUST TO BUY.

NO, JUST THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE.

BUT ON PAPER, THE ABANDONMENT COVERS THE ENTIRE ALLEY FROM START TO FINISH.

AND THEIR ONLY CLAIM IN THIS PIECE THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU CAN CLAIM UP HERE THE BUTTS UP AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY.

BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT HIS ABILITY TO BLOCK THAT OFF IS GOING TO TOTALLY PREVENT US FROM USING OUR ALLEY IN THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED? WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK THIS PIECE OFF.

YES. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE PILLARS THAT WE USE FOR DELIVERIES COMES DOWN HIS ALLEY FROM HIS SIDE, FROM EIGHTH GOING NORTH, AND THEN THEY BACK INTO OUR YOU CANNOT DO IT THE OTHER DIRECTION.

THERE'S A GASOLINE AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN THE WAY YOU HAVE TO ENTER AND GO NORTH TO ACCESS OUR LOADING DOCK.

AND WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THAT USE AND THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE TRASH BACK THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE IT 30 FEET.

THERE'S YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A UTILITY POLE.

IT'S JUST THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE.

IT IS NOT TO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT WHATSOEVER.

AND THE ABANDONMENT WOULD HAVE EXPIRED A LONG TIME AGO IF ANYONE HAD KNOWN ABOUT IT.

IT SHOULD HAVE EXPIRED WITH THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, BUT IT DID NOT.

THIS IS YOU WOULD LOSE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE OUR TRASH FOR YOU.

IT WOULD BE. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAVE OUTSIDE.

AND WHY NOT? WELL, BECAUSE ON PAPER, ALL THAT WAS THAT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT.

SIR, I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. NOTIFICATION TO.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I WILL.

OR I CAN I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE STATED BY ADAM.

ADDITIONALLY, THAT. THAT.

EASEMENT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 30 FEET RATHER THAN 20, AND THEN ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY BASED ON WHAT IS FOUND OUT BY THE SITE LAND.

A SECOND MOTION IN SECOND.

WAS THAT YOU, MR. BOEHNER? YES. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PLAT WITH CONDITIONS AS INDICATED BY THE STAFF WITH THE INCLUSION THAT THE EASEMENT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 30 FEET.

MR. BARNETT. YES.

MR. BENHAM YES.

MR. RUSSELL. YEAH.

MR. NOONAN. NO.

REVEREND LANGFORD. NO.

MS.. FLEMING NO.

JAPAN'S MUSHROOM FAILS.

SO BASED ON THAT, NOW, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT.

SO WE MOVE WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER ITEMS. I'LL VOTE YES.

JUST FOR THE RECORD. ZONING CASE.

[ZONING]

RIGHT ZONING KC 2020 2002 CHANGE ZONING OF PRICE BE 27.2 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO THE RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL LEGAL DESCRIPTION BEING 27.2 ACRES OUT OF THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF SURVEY 33 BOND SALEM LANDS. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CLARISSA IVEY.

I WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CITY OF ABILENE.

TODAY I'LL BE PRESENTING SODIUM CASE Z, DASH 2022, DASH 12.

THAT IS IT WILL. THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS WORKING LIFE STAKES AND THE AGENT FOR THIS IS JACOB AND MARTIN.

SO THEY'RE PLANNING THEIR REQUEST IN A STUNNING CHANGE FROM MULTIFAMILY AND AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO A MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL RETAIL.

THE LOCATION IS 27.2 ACRES OF LAND THAT IS SOUTH OF THE SCOTT SCOTTISH ROAD BETWEEN GRIFFITH ROAD AND STANFORD.

AND HERE WE HAVE A LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S SOME MAP SHOWING THE MULTIFAMILY SURROUNDED BY THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO NORTH OF NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE

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GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND TO THE EAST WE HAVE AGRICULTURAL OPEN, WHICH INCLUDES A 100 FOOT EASEMENT UTILITIES. AND TO THE HOUSE, TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE SOME PATIO HOMES.

HERE'S A CONCEPTUAL MAP OF WHETHER PLANNING TO DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND RETAIL TO THE WESTBOUND EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES FOR GENERAL ZONING, GENERAL RETAIL ZONING, AND THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES FOR THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING.

HERE ARE A COUPLE OF PICTURES SHOWING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, BACON TO THE NORTH, MAINLY BACON WEST. YOU JUST GO THROUGH, OPEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND THEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A MOTEL.

HERE IS THE MAP OF THE FLOODING PLAN.

THEN THIS IS THE MAP OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

WE HAD ONE IN FAVOR AND ZERO POSTS.

AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE AND SETTLEMENT PLAN THAT WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1.4.1 FROM FOUR OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOUR QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA, BY THE WAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A PLEASURE HAVING YOU HERE.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE ZONING CASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. TOWEL FILLING AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THE SELLING REQUEST IS TO SUPPORT A NEW MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX AS WELL AS A MIXED USE GENERAL RETAIL TRACT OF THE ADJACENT TYPE 20, INCLUDING RESTAURANT AND RETAIL AND SIMILAR USES.

LIKE SOUTH, WE ALSO BELIEVE THIS TO BE AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THIS LOCATION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTIONS OF THE QUESTION TO TOWN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO EITHER ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SECOND, THE MOTION IN A SECOND.

MR. BARNETT, I'M SO SORRY.

MR. BENHAM. YES.

MR. RUSSELL. YES.

MR. NOONAN. YES.

REVEREND LANGFORD. YES.

MISS FLEMING. YES.

AND MR. ROSENBAUM, YES.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES HIS ONLY CASE.

Z 2022 DASH 13 CHANGE ZONING APPROXIMATELY 36.5 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO GENERAL RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

ADAM AFTERNOON, I'M ADAM HOLLAND WITH THE CITY OF EVELYN'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS A REQUEST FROM TDS SIX 6950 LLC REPRESENTED BY JACOB AND MARTIN.

THIS IS TO A REQUEST TO REZONE FOR MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. LOCATION IS APPROXIMATELY 41.34 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 7450.

HIGHWAY 8384.

HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPOSED ZONING IS GOING TO BE.

HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND EXISTING PROPERTIES.

CURRENTLY, MOST OF THIS TRACK IS ZONED AOE AND WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MULTIFAMILY AND OFFICE LOCATED TO THE NORTHERN AND NORTHWESTERN MOST POINTS OF THIS PROPERTY.

HERE IS A DETAILED ZONING PLAN SHOWING THEIR PROPOSITION FOR THE NEW ZONING FOR THIS TRACT OF LAND.

HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN GR ZONING, MFS ZONING AS WELL AS ZONING.

HERE ARE THE CURRENT PROPERTY VIEWS OF THIS PROPERTY.

CURRENTLY IT'S VACANT LAND.

WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

WE RECEIVED SEVERAL IN FAVOR OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

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WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AND FOUND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

MAP HAS BEEN REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1414 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.

SO I'D ASK THAT YOU. YOU HAVEN'T NEEDED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE THAT OUTSIDE, PLEASE.

ANY QUESTION FOR ADAM? NO, JUST A COMMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ZONING MAP, THE EXISTING.

THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT IN A PACKET, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, ADAM. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS CASE.

CLAYTON BEIRO. JACOB MARTIN, AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THIS IS A ZONING CASE TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUED EXPANSION OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED AT THE DENALI EDITION IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

SINCE THEY'VE PLOTTED THAT, THEY'VE ACQUIRED SOME ADDITIONAL LAND AND WANT TO CONTINUE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLAYTON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE CASE HEARING SAYING, NO.

ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SO SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND.

MR. BARNETT. YES.

MR. RUSSELL. YES.

MR. NOONAN. YES.

REVEREND LANGFORD. YES.

MS.. FLEMING, YES.

AND MR. ROSENBAUM, YES.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

CUP 2020 2-04 FOR A CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES AT WINDMILL CIRCLE AND MEMORIAL DRIVE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF APPLETON.

I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING A COPY.

2020 204 THE OWNER IS WINDMILL CIRCLE APARTMENTS LLC AND THIS HAS BEEN REPRESENTED BY AND KIDRON, HIBBS AND TOD LLC.

THIS REQUEST IS TO ADD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS ON APPROXIMATELY 14.95 ACRES OF VACANT PROPERTIES ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 5601 MEMORIAL DRIVE.

HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

CURRENTLY, HERE IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING OF NEARBY PROPERTIES.

CURRENTLY, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED G R WITH LY TO THE EAST AND PATIO HOMES TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS TO THE WEST AS WELL, MOSTLY ALLOWING FOR SELF STORAGE AS WELL AS SOME MEDICAL USE TO THE SOUTH AND RS 12 TO.

HERE IS YOUR SUBJECT USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

CURRENTLY IT IS VACANT LAND WITH A FEW BUSINESSES TO TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY.

ONE BEING A COMPANY AS WELL AS PATIO HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE ARE OTHER PERMITTED USES IN GR ZONING.

DWELLING MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN THIS DISTRICT AND THIS WAS CHANGED IN 2017. ORDINANCE NUMBER 35 2017 WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2017, WHICH CHANGED THE DWELLING MULTIFAMILY FROM BEING AN ALLOWED USE TO BEING A CONDITIONAL USE.

AND THAT ORDINANCE TOOK EFFECT AS OF OCTOBER 2018.

HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THEY ARE TO BE THREE STOREY WITH FACING MEMORIAL DRIVE AS WELL AS GLENDALE CIRCLE ENTRANCES ON BOTH SIDES. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND WE RECEIVED FIVE IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BUFFER AS WELL AS 38 OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.

WE ALSO RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BUFFER.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN WHICH STAFF HAS ALTERED TO APPROVE LIMITING BUILDINGS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN AND 11 TO 2 STORIES, AS WELL AS USING MEMORIAL DRIVE ONLY AS AN EMERGENCY EXIT AND HAVING THE MAIN ENTRY ON WINDMILL CIRCLE.

STAFF HAS FOUND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP, AND IT WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1435 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT

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CODE AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

THE PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO MEMORIAL DRIVE AND THE DWELLINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE SHALL HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION OF TWO STOREYS.

A TYPE A BUFFER MUST BE INSTALLED ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

FURTHERMORE, THE ONLY ALLOWED PUBLIC ENTRANCE SHALL BE ON WINDMILL CIRCLE.

THE ENTRANCE ON MEMORIAL DRIVE SHALL ONLY BE USED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS PURPOSES.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

SO, ADAM, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US LAST MONTH IN OUR PACKET, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE CASE.

THE GO BACK TO YOUR CONDITIONS, THE, THE ALLOWED PUBLIC ENTRANCE ON WINDMILL CIRCLE AND THE EMERGENCY ACCESS WASN'T IN THAT PACKET? YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. SO IS THAT IS THAT CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF FEELS LIKE THEY'VE WANTED TO PUT ON IT SINCE THEN? OR DID YOU JUST NOT GET IN OUR PACKET LAST TIME? IT'S ADDED CONDITION AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND CONCERNS OF INCREASED TRAFFIC.

AND IN THE AREA OF SUCH A RESIDENTIAL POPULATED AREA, OF COURSE THE MORE TIME YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING, THE MORE YOU MAY WANT TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS.

WE FEEL THAT IF WE LIMIT THE ENTRANCE TO WINDMILL, THAT WILL LEAVE THE EXTRA TRAFFIC ON MEMORIAL TO ANTHONY WITH WITHOUT A LIGHT BEING IN A PLACE THERE.

WELL, MEMORIAL IS A MINOR ARTERIAL WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT TRAFFIC.

WINDMILLS IS A LOCAL STREET.

RIGHT. BUT IT LEADS TO THE THE ACCESS ROAD OF 83, 84, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO MORE THAN HANDLE THE THE THE TRAFFIC OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO ADAM, THE PROPONENTS DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY ACQUIRED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THEY ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY IN 2014, 2014.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY BEEN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX PROPERTY SINCE 2014, IS THAT CORRECT? DID YOU SAY THAT? AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THAT'S ALL THE DEED HAS STATED GOING ON.

AND WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE IN 2018 TO MAKE IT A NOT BUY.

RIGHT, IN GENERAL GENERAL RETAIL.

THE ORDINANCE WAS CHANGED IN 2017 AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2018.

SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO DATES, THEY COULD HAVE PUT A AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BY RIGHT AS I'M AWARE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A REASON THERE'S NOT A BUFFER ALONG THE MEMORIAL SIDE LIKE THE CONDITIONAL LIST, THE NORTH SIDE? IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY D1 AND THERE'S NO REASON TO ADD THE TYPE A A TYPE A LAND USE BUFFER IS NOT REQUIRED ACROSS AN ARTERIAL STREET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU, ADAM. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT A CLOCK OVER HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT OUR TALK HERE TO 30 TO 3 MINUTES.

WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BOARD OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS EITHER DENY WHICH THEY CAN APPEAL AND GO TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY, OR WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE WITH SOME CONDITIONS AND GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISION HERE AFTER AFTER OUR DISCUSSION.

AND WE CAN KEEP IN MIND, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD ON THIS ZONING CASE TO THE COUNCIL, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK? LOOKS LIKE B.J. IS GOING TO BE FIRST ONE UP.

SO BJ PRITCHARD, PHD, ENGINEER, ENGINEERING.

WE ARE AGENT FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.

WEIDNER IS HERE. ALSO A COUPLE OF FOLKS INVITED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY.

SORRY. IT'S NOT GOOD.

NO. WELL, I'LL TRY TO SHOUT.

I'LL SHOW YOU.

WEIDNER IS HERE TO.

TO HELP. JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY ARE, AND JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL BENEFITS HERE. I'D LIKE TO TALK JUST A FEW MINUTES ABOUT THE ZONING IMPLICATIONS, THIS PROPERTY AND ITS ZONING.

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WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS THEN ABILENE ZONING PROCEDURE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW TO KIND OF USE MULTIFAMILY AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO BUFFER LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL.

IN THIS CASE, HOSPITAL DOCTORS OFFICES AND THE 8384 HIGHWAY THAT IS NOT 40 MILES TO THE EAST OF THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX HERE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY COMPLEX.

JUST BY LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED AND IT WILL PROVIDE A REASONABLE BUFFER BETWEEN ALREADY ZONED RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHATNOT.

AS I SAID, IT IS APPROPRIATE AND THIS HAS BEEN THE TYPICAL PATH ABILENE HAS FOLLOWED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, SHIELDING THE HIGHER DENSITY ROADWAYS FROM LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SITTING AROUND IT TO THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT THE MEDIUM DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE FOR A RETIREMENT HOME TO THE NORTH.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PATIO HOME COMMUNITY JUST TO THE SOUTH.

THAT EVEN FURTHER, THAT SAME BUFFER PHILOSOPHY AS YOU'RE MOVING FROM MULTIFAMILY TO MEDIUM DENSITY INTO R6 EIGHT AND 12.

AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE ACCESS OFF MEMORIAL DRIVES A LITTLE BIT NEW TO ME.

THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD THAT.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT MEMORIAL DRIVE ABSOLUTELY IS AN ARTERIAL STREET.

IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO EXTEND TO CLARK STREET SOMETIME HERE IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS GOING TO OPEN UP EVEN MORE TRAFFIC OFF THE FREEWAYS.

IT'S GOING TO EXTEND TO 707 SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.

IT IS INTENDED TO BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.

IT IS INTENDED TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC THAT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD GENERATE ACCESS TO UTILITIES AND ALL THAT IS ADEQUATE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. DRAINAGE WILL BE ADDRESSED ONCE WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING DESIGN OF THE COMPLEX.

ALL OF THE DRAINAGE WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE EAST, TOWARDS PURDY.

I'LL LEAVE THE REST OF IT TO THE WEIDNER FOLKS.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE TWO STORY VERSUS THE THREE STORY? THE LIBRARY IS OKAY WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.

THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THAT AND THEY'RE TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

SO THE ONLY CONDITION THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH WOULD BE WHICH ENTRY CLOSE ENOUGH MEMORIAL? THANKS, B.J.. THANK YOU. HELLO.

I'M BRENDA HARDY WITH WHY DO I HAVE A HANDOUT? CAN I GIVE THAT TO YOU? SURE. ALL ALONG.

SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH WEIDNER FOR 26 YEARS AS AN AREA DIRECTOR AND I'M ALSO A LOCAL RESIDENT OF ABILENE.

SO THE INVESTMENT IS DEEP FOR ME AND MY FAMILY AS WELL AS MY EMPLOYMENT.

WEIDNER APARTMENT HOMES WAS FOUNDED IN 1977 BY DEAN WAGNER, WHO CONTINUES TO OVERSEE THE OPERATIONS OF THE COMPANY.

WE OPERATE IN 12 US STATES AND FOUR CANADIAN PROVINCES.

WE CURRENTLY OWN 307 COMMUNITIES WITH 62,436 UNITS AND 768,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

HOLDING NUMBER 14 RANKING OF THE NATIONAL MULTIFAMILY OWNERSHIP IN THE U.S..

WE ARE NOT BEING MANAGED.

WE ARE INVESTED INTO OUR COMMUNITIES.

IN THE LATE 18 I'M SORRY, 1989 OR EXPANDED THEIR ORIGINAL SCOPE OF INVESTMENT AND MANAGEMENT TO INCORPORATE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE BUILT MANY, MANY APARTMENT COMMUNITIES IN MIDLAND, ODESSA.

WE HAVE BUILT SEVEN NEW COMMUNITIES IN THAT MARKET, ALL BE LUXURY APARTMENT HOMES.

THEY ACTUALLY IN THE 1990S WE WENT INTO THE MIDLAND ODESSA AREA AND WE'VE EXPANDED THROUGH THAT TIME.

WE CATER TO MANY WALKS OF LIFE WITHIN WHITE AMERICA.

WE HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE HIGH END.

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WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT CATER TO SECTION EIGHT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE ALSO HAVE MANY, MANY MASTER CONTRACTS WITH MANY BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITIES.

TALKING ABOUT H-E-B, WHO IS A LOCAL IN TEXAS, WE HAVE A TEN YEAR MASTER AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

WE GIVE THEIR PARTNERS 10% RENT DISCOUNT EVERY MONTH OFF THE MARKET RENT.

WE DO NOT CHARGE THEM DEPOSITS.

THEY HAVE A HARD TIME RECRUITING EMPLOYMENT AND WE'RE THERE TO HELP THEM FIND HOUSING.

SECOND OF ALL, OUR ISD'S IN MIDLAND, ODESSA.

WE ALSO DID A DEAL WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HOUSE TEACHERS BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY COULD NOT RECRUIT TEACHERS.

EACH OF THOSE TEACHERS DO NOT PAY DEPOSITS TO MOVE INTO OUR COMMUNITIES AND THEY ALSO RECEIVE 10% OFF THE MARKET RATE.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE DO FOR OUR DEALS IS THE HOSPITALS.

WE WORK WITH MAJOR HOSPITALS IN EACH OF OUR MARKETS AND WE DO TRAVELING NURSES AND WE ALSO DO STAFFING THROUGHOUT THERE.

AND ONE THING I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT ABILENE, IT'S CURRENTLY 97% OCCUPIED IN APARTMENTS AND 99% LEASED.

THERE IS A WAITING LIST FOR HOUSING AT THIS POINT.

AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THE RENTS ARE CONTINUING TO CLIMB BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND.

A ONE BEDROOM IS 1122, A TWO BEDROOM 1283 AND A THREE BEDROOM 1392.

IF WE DON'T BUILD MORE SUPPLY, WE CANNOT HANDLE THE DEMAND THAT ABILENE HAS RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO IT FOR DYESS, FOR THE CHEESE FACTORY OR FOR AMAZON.

WE NEED THIS TO INCREASE OUR SUPPLY SO THAT OUR RENTS DO NOT CONTINUE TO ESCALATE.

SO THE QUESTION, BRANDON, HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO YOU HAVE IN ABILENE RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE SIX PROPERTIES IN ABILENE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE? DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE DEALS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR HOSPITALS OR ANYTHING HERE NOW? WE HAVE WE HAVE H-E-B AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR ABILENE IS WE HAVE DONE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WITH ABILENE.

WE DID SALVATION ARMY NEW BEGINNINGS IZED HOMELESS YOUTH, AND WE DID ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN.

WE DID WE DID COMMUNITY SERVICE.

SO WE WE DID OVER 1000 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE AND DONATED $15,000 WORTH OF EITHER SUPPLIES OR MONEY TO THE ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP THEM.

SO YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE NOT RIGHT NOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE A DEAL WITH ISD OR WILEY ISD OR ANYBODY LIKE THAT.

LIKE YOU SAID YOU DID IN MIDLAND.

WE DO NOT. BUT IT'S OPEN TO THE TABLE.

RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRENDA? WHEN YOU SET THE DIFFERENT KIND OF LEVELS AND CATEGORIES, I GUESS, OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHAT'S THE INTENDED KIND OF FINAL PRODUCT BEING MORE ON THE HIGHER END OR IT WOULD BE A HIGHER END? YES, IT WOULD. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANTICIPATION ON WHAT THE TARGET RATES WOULD BE LIKE ON ONE BEDROOM OR TWO BEDROOMS? WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THAT DEPENDS ON CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT COMPARING IT TO OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHICH I DO MEAN LIKE RESIDENTS AT HERITAGE PARK RESERVE AT ABILENE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE RENTS ARE PROBABLY IN THE 1100 TO THE $3,500 RANGE.

OKAY. AND AS MORE SUPPLY COMES ON AND THERE'S MORE AVAILABILITY, RENTS WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON VACANCY, BASICALLY. SURE.

I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY ELSE.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

I CAN'T THINK WHICH OF YOUR ABILENE COMPLEXES WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE MOST LIKE? IT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO RESERVE AT ABILENE OR RESIDENCE AT HERITAGE PARK RESERVE.

AND ACTUALLY IN THAT HANDOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT IN THE MIDLAND ODESSA AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CUSTODY ORDER, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, COLOR FORMAT OR LABOR GARAGE THERE.

THAT'S IT. MAY I ASK? NO, MA'AM. MA'AM, YOU'LL HAVE TIME.

YOU'LL HAVE YOUR TIME AT THE PODIUM.

SO BJ SAID THAT YOU WERE OKAY WITH CHANGING THOSE BUILDINGS TO TWO STORY, OKAY WITH THE THE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE SENIOR VILLAGE AND THE PROPERTY HERE.

THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THIS.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMICS A LITTLE BIT IN THIS THIS SITE PLAN HERE.

BUT WOULD YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. IT WILL IT WILL CHANGE OUR TOTAL UNIT COUNT, BUT WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.

OKAY. WE'RE A LONG TERM COMPANY AND WE WANT TO INVEST IN ABILENE.

WE DON'T SELL THEM BY, SO WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND GOOD PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT ABOUT THE MEMORIAL DRIVE? WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH YOU'RE OKAY WITH TURNING OFF AND TURNING ON THE WINDMILL FOR CLOSING OFF?

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YEAH, FOR THE EMERGENCY EXIT.

ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW THE QUESTION FOR BRENDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT.

THANKS, BRENDA. GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS HAROLD MONIZ.

I'M A SENIOR PLANNER, FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR.

I WORK FOR COLLINS MOORMAN IN SEATTLE.

I WORKED WITH SEEING FOR OVER TEN YEARS NOW.

MY ADDRESS IS 710 SECOND AVENUE, SUITE 1400 SEATTLE, WASHINGTON.

I THINK THE STAFF REPORT DID A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING THE REASONS WHY THIS IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT AND A GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS. IN TERMS OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, READING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES AND PROVIDING THE TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THE SPECIAL ACTIVITY CENTER, I WANT TO I'M KIND OF A MATH GUY, SO I DID SOME NUMBER CRUNCHING.

UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING YOU COULD BUILD THAT HAS A 1.0.

I THINK YOU CAN BUILD 651,000 SQUARE FEET OF PRODUCT THERE.

PUT THAT IN CONTEXT.

THAT'S THREE WAL-MARTS OR FOUR SAM'S CLUBS.

PROBABLY NOBODY WILL DO THAT.

YOU'D HAVE TO STRUCTURE PARKING AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THAT AROUND HERE.

SO I DID A SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD SURFACE PARK THAT AND I STILL CAME UP WITH 450,000 SQUARE FEET OF SOMETHING.

AND THAT'S THE GRAY ZONE ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO DO 90% LOT COVERAGE.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY INTENSE COVERAGE FOR THAT SITE.

SO UNDER THE MULTIFAMILY SCENARIO, YOU HAVE MAXIMUM 24 UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS IS ROUGHLY 15 ACRES TO ALMOST 15 ACRES.

YOU COULD DO 360 UNITS.

THAT'S A DENSITY.

IF I TRANSLATE THAT TOO FAR, THAT'S A 0.55 FOR THE SURFACE PARKING DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO WAS A 0.7 ACRE.

WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS PROPOSAL WITH STAFF CONDITIONS, I'M A PROPONENT OF DENSITY.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT OUT.

AND I THOUGHT MEMORIAL DRIVE, THAT'S AN ARTERIAL YOU'VE GOT 300 FEET BEFORE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST.

TWO STORIES. COME ON.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THREE STORIES? BUT THEN I READ THE STAFF REPORT AND I SAW THE CONSISTENCY OF THAT CONDITION ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

SO AFTER TALKING WITH MY CLIENT, THEY ARE FINE WITH TWO STORIES ALONG MEMORIAL DRIVE AND TWO STORIES ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY WAY.

THAT THEN DROPS THE PROPOSAL DOWN TO 260 UNITS ROUGHLY.

WE HAVEN'T PLANNED THE SITE OUT, SO THIS IS ALL JUST NUMBERS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 260 UNITS.

THAT'S A DENSITY OF 17 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH I BELIEVE TRANSLATES INTO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

YOU'VE GOT 9 TO 10 UNITS AROUND.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION.

THE FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS ABOUT 0.4.

SO YOU'RE SCALING FROM A 1.0 DOWN TO A 0.4.

SO I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION.

I THINK IT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IMPACTS FROM MULTIFAMILY ARE GENERALLY LESS THAN COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL.

I MIGHT ADD THAT THE 450,000 SQUARE FEET COULD BE SAMS RETAIL, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FOOT FLOOR PLATES, TWO STOREY OFFICE BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS.

YOU COULD BUILD NINE OF THEM UNDER THAT SURFACE PARKING SCENARIO.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.

SO WE SUPPORT THE STAFF CONDITIONS.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M NADINE SMITH.

I LIVE AT 5841 LEGACY DRIVE.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK GOD FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THESE ARE TOUGH. THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS.

I SUPPORT GROWTH IN ABILENE PERIOD.

AND I KNOW WE NEED MORE IF YOU'VE PROVED THAT.

BUT AS A AS A HOMEOWNER, I ALSO KNOW THAT MULTI LIVING UNITS DEVALUE PROPERTY.

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AND I WOULD ASK I DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF YOUR AUTHORITY, BUT THANK YOU FOR MOVING. THE OUTAGE ON WINDMILL CIRCLE THAT HELPS THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS NOT FEEL SO CRAMPED.

I CAN LEAVE MY HOUSE AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING AND GET RIGHT OUT ON LINE.

IF I LEAVE AT 720, IT TAKES ME A COUPLE OF MINUTES WITH 500 MORE CARS.

THAT WOULD EVEN TAKE LONGER.

SO THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU HAVE THE SCOPE ON THIS COMMITTEE TO SAY LET'S MAKE THAT LOOK A CLASS LIKE LIKE OUR 400,000 HOUSES LOOK ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. NOT A THREE STOREY WOOD STRUCTURE.

THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANKS. MY NAME IS MARJORIE EVAN.

AND I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

BASED ON WHAT? MA'AM? MA'AM? YEAH, GO AHEAD.

THE LADY WAS. CAN WE ASK WHICH PROPERTIES IN ABILENE THERE THEY OWN? I WOULD LIKE A LIST OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. WE CAN GIVE YOU THOSE IN THE PACKAGE SHE PROVIDED.

ROYAL ORLEANS IS ONE OF THEM.

THAT'S RESIDENT THE RESIDENCE RESIDENCE AT HERITAGE PARK, WHICH IS THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX.

OUT, OUT ON THE SOUTH OF THE NORTH LODES OR NORTH OF THE SAUNIER WITH ROYAL OAK.

AND IT'S REALLY BAD. WELL, IT'S ONLY BEEN THERE ABOUT 70 YEARS.

LEXINGTON COURT.

SUMMER WIND.

BENT TREE.

THE ROYAL ORLEANS AND THE RESERVE.

THE RESERVE AND ABILENE.

AND THEN THIS ONE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING WITH ODESSA MIDLAND, THAT TACKLES MORE ORANGES BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THAT LANE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE I WAS A REALTOR FOR 30 YEARS, AND I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AND I WASN'T ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE THERE'S OTHERS HERE THAT ARE BETTER QUALIFIED THAN ME TO SPEAK. BUT WHEN SHE WAS SAYING THAT, SOMETHING IN MY HEART JUST TOLD ME THAT IT IS THE PROPERTIES HERE.

AND TO KEEP COMPARING TO ODESSA MIDLAND IS.

THAT'S NOT ABILENE.

THAT'S JUST. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M CINDY, HAYLEY RAMSEY, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE COMMITTEE.

I LIVE AT 5602 LEGACY DRIVE ON THE CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND MEMORIAL DRIVE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER AND NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED 15 ACRE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.

AND I WISH TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.

I'VE LIVED IN ABILENE FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, EXCEPT FOR ONE YEAR IN FORT WORTH, AND I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE ABILENE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

OVER THE YEARS I MOVED BACK LAST AUGUST, SO IT'S ONLY BEEN TEN MONTHS.

I MOVED BACK FROM FORT WORTH AND I PURCHASED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MY FOREVER HOME.

ABOUT A MONTH LATER, WE WERE NOTIFIED OF A POSSIBLE ZONING CHANGE FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO MULTI-FAMILY.

I WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED MY HOME HAD I KNOWN THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING BUILT LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO THIS AREA WAS THE NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MANICURED YARDS, LOW TRAFFIC, LACK OF LITTER AND TRASH.

FEELING SAFE, FEELING SECURE.

AND THE SIDE OF AN HIGHWAY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS NOT CHEAP.

IT'S $420 PER QUARTER OR $6,580 PER YEAR.

IN ADDITION, MY MOM, WHO I MOVED TRAVELING FROM TULSA, LIVED AT ABILENE SENIOR VILLAGE UNTIL SHE PASSED IN 2018, WHERE SHE WAS ALSO SAFE AND SECURE AND ABLE TO WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, ALTHOUGH SHE CAN NO LONGER DRIVE.

HER SENIOR FRIENDS WERE ABLE TO DRIVE WITH VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF NUMEROUS RETIRED, SOME ELDERLY RESIDENTS AND WE'RE ALL GETTING THERE.

IN ADDITION TO YOUNG FAMILIES WITH SMALL CHILDREN WHO WALK RIDE BIKES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING ALONG MEMORIAL DRIVE AND ADJACENT STREETS.

WHILE I AM NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH AS WELL AT ALL.

I HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT BUILDING A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT DOOR AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME AND TO MY LEGACY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THOSE CONCERNS INCLUDE INCREASED TRAFFIC, INCREASED THEFT AND NOISE, YOUR ENVIRONMENT, INCREASED LITTER AND TRASH, LACK OF VIEW THAT WE CURRENTLY ENJOY.

I FEEL LIKE APARTMENTS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE HOUSING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND DO NOT FIT INTO THE UNIFORMITY OF OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY, SECURITY, LACK OF GENERAL RETAIL, AND I FEEL LIKE I'LL NO LONGER HAVE PROXIMITY PRIVACY IN MY OWN

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BACKYARD AS THE HOA DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO BUILD A TALLER FENCE.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE PROPERTY VALUES.

I HAVE LIVED IN AN APPALLING APARTMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO AND MOST RECENTLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN A VERY EXPENSIVE, NICE, BRAND NEW LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX ALONG THE TRINITY RIVER IN FORT WORTH.

YOU SHOULD SEE IT TODAY, JUST TWO YEARS LATER.

WE ALL KNOW THAT AN APARTMENT MANAGER, POSSIBLY AN ASSISTANT MANAGER AND A COUPLE OF MAINTENANCE WORKERS ARE NOT ABLE TO OVERSEE OR POLICE.

ALL THAT GOES ON 24 HOURS A DAY AND A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX AND AREA NEIGHBORHOODS BEGIN TO DETERIORATE QUICKLY.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.

DOES IT MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE? IT'S JUST HOW PEOPLE TREAT THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN.

JUST DRIVE AROUND ABILENE, AS I HAVE, AND TAKE A LOOK.

EXAMPLES OF DETERIORATION ARE THE EXTERIOR BEGINS TO DETERIORATE AND NEEDS REPAIR, SUCH AS STAIRWELLS, PAYING AIR CONDITIONERS, GATHERING INTERIOR BLINDS AND WINDOW COVERINGS ARE BROKEN OR REPLACED WITH SHEETS AND FLAGS.

PORCHES AND BALCONIES ARE USED FOR HANGING AND DRYING LAUNDRY.

THERE ALSO HAVE HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE OUTSIDE RATHER THAN PATIO FURNITURE, AND THEY'RE USED FOR KEEPING DOGS OUTSIDE WITH DOG KENNELS AND SOMETIMES CATS.

OTHER OUTSIDE ITEMS INCLUDE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT ON BALCONIES, TRASH CANS, GAS CANS, SOFAS, CHAIRS, AND NUMEROUS OTHERS.

AND THE REASON I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DROVE AROUND AND TOOK PICTURES.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX DOES NOT FIT INTO OUR NICE, WELL-KEPT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS TOO CLOSE TO NUMEROUS EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

APARTMENTS WITH OVER 500 PARKING SPACES WILL CREATE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE, WHERE IT IS ALREADY NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN RIGHT OR TURN LEFT OR EVEN RIGHT, SOMETIMES ONTO MEMORIAL, DRIVE ON TO AN ALLEY ROAD AND FROM THE ACCESS ROAD IN FRONT OF SAM'S TO GET ON TO 83, 84 OR THE LOOP. IN ADDITION, MANY CARS ATTEMPT TO TURN ONTO WINDMILL CIRCLE AFTER EXITING THE FREEWAY INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

PLEASE KEEP THIS ZONING AT GENERAL RETAIL AND PLEASE DON'T A TREE.

CHANGE TO MULTIFAMILY.

I ALSO KNOW I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORS FROM LEGACY VILLAGE AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WHO CAN'T BE HERE TODAY.

WE STRONGLY OBJECT TO THE ZONING CHANGE AND RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU PERSONALLY AND I ASK, DO YOU WANT APARTMENTS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. I'VE GOT 5 MINUTES, SO I'LL READ FAST.

WELL, I GOT 5 MINUTES WRITTEN.

SO ALISON CALLING 2409 SPYGLASS HILL COURT.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PURPOSE OF ZONING REGULATIONS PER THE CITY OF ABILENE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE ESTABLISHED WITH REASONABLE CONSIDERATION FOR, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SUITABILITY OF PARTICULAR USES SPECIFIED, AND TO PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THEY ARE CREATED WITH THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF RESIDENTS OF ABILENE AND MINE, AND PUT IN PLACE THOUGHTFULLY WITH MUCH RESEARCH.

IS MY OPINION THAT ALLOWING THE WINDMILL CIRCLE APARTMENTS AN EXCEPTION TO THESE REGULATIONS DID NOT FOLLOW WITH THE PURPOSES OF PLANNING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS AND THEREFORE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THE BASIC TENETS OF A VARIANCE OF GRANTING A VARIANCE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IS THAT THERE IS AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.

WITHOUT IT, UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP DOES NOT MEAN A MERE INCONVENIENCE OR THAT YOU WILL BE OUT OF POCKET BECAUSE OF POOR PLANNING, BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT PROPERTY IN AN AREA THAT WAS ZONED. OTHERWISE, THE CITY OF ABILENE DOES NOT OWE THIS COMPANY ANYTHING.

THEY DO NOT OWE THEM A VARIANCE.

IT IS GENERAL RETAIL WITH THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF MEDICAL USE AND IT SHOULD STAY THAT WAY SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROFITEER FROM WASHINGTON STATE PICKS A 15 ACRE PLOT ON A MAP NEXT TO A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINKS THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE BEST PROFITS AND PULL THE BEST RENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD ON IT.

THE INCONVENIENCE OR PREFERENCE OF A MORE LENIENT STANDARD SO THAT THEY ARE NOT OUT THE COST OF LAND DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS TO GRANT THEM A ZONING VARIANCE.

WYLIE SCHOOLS COVERS A VERY LARGE AREA IN ABILENE AND BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS.

WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS.

WE ARE NOT LANDLOCKED, LIKE SEATTLE, NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO, ANOTHER AREA WHERE THIS MIGHT BE REASONABLE TO GRANT THEM A VARIANCE SO THAT THEY MAY BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY

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BECAUSE OF A HARDSHIP AND IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR USE IN THIS CONDITION.

ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT MUST SHOW THAT THE VARIANCE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.

THERE IS A NATURAL PROGRESSION IN A CITY, AS WAS NOTED BY SOME OTHER MEMBERS HERE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL CATEGORIES OF ZONING, OBVIOUSLY, AND A ZONING LEAP FROM THE SURROUNDING BORDER NEIGHBORHOODS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY IS RIDICULOUS AND DOES NOT ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS OF NATURAL PROGRESSION.

WE ARE LITERALLY BLAZING THROUGH SIX ZONING DISTRICTS GOING FROM RS 12, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT 12 TO THE MAXIMUM UNIT.

YOU ARE AT THE MAXIMUM UNITS AT YOUR PROPOSED PLAN OF 21 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE.

THE CITY CODE SPECIFIES 24 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

THIS IS NOT A BUFFER FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE HIGHWAY AND FROM THE HOSPITAL.

WE ARE NOT WANTING TO BE BUFFERED.

WE SPENT MONEY ON THESE HOMES SO THAT WE ARE IN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOW DENSITY.

OC ANOTHER CRUCIAL PURPOSE TO SECURE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAFFIC IS A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE AND MY NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY WITH TEENAGE DRIVERS.

AS SAID BEFORE, ADDING OVER 600 CARS WITH TWO CARS PER AMERICAN HOUSEHOLD TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT ONLY GO THROUGH THE MAIN ARTERY ARTERIAL, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, ON MEMORIAL DRIVE.

IF I WERE TO GO FROM THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE MALL TODAY, I WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN INNSBRUCK, PEPPER MILL, LYNBROOK, CHIMNEY ROCK AND OUT TO BUFFALO GAP ROAD.

THAT IS HOW TRAFFIC FLOWS AND THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE AFFECTED AND IT WILL CAUSE DANGEROUS TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.

FINALLY, THE COMMITTEE IS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MUST ALSO ACHIEVE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO JUDICIAL JUDICIAL PRECEDENTS. AND IN THIS CASE, IT HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN TWICE BEFORE, TWICE IN PAST YEARS.

THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS BEEN DENIED BY A COMMITTEE SUCH AS YOURSELF COMMISSIONS EXCUSE ME, AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY IN THIS CASE I'D LIKE TO.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE THAT I RECALL.

I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR 16 YEARS AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT THE SAME COMPANY HAS TRIED TO HAVE THIS APPROVED TWICE.

NO BEEN TURNED DOWN.

ANYBODY ELSE FOR THAT? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO BE APPROVED.

AND THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR CHILDREN AND THE VALUES OF OUR HOME DEPEND ON IT.

THAT'S FINE. SO JUST A SECOND.

I WANT NOW YOU COME ON UP.

I'M JUST GOING TO I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT ADAM SAID THAT THEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2014.

I THINK IF YOU ACTUALLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DEEDS, IT WAS 2011, BUT WE CHANGED IT FROM 2011 UNTIL 2018.

BY RIGHT. THEY COULD HAVE THIS WAS ALWAYS BEEN GENERAL RETAIL PROPERTY.

THEY COULD HAVE BUILT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IN GENERAL RETAIL FROM 2011 TO 2018.

REGARDLESS, THEY COULD HAVE DONE THAT.

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. SO THEY'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2011.

WE CHANGED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN 2018 THAT REQUIRED, BECAUSE OF A CASE LIKE THIS, THAT GENERAL RETAIL ENGINE OR RETAIL, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT CHANGING THE OVERALL ZONING FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO MULTIFAMILY.

WE'RE ALLOWING A CONDITIONAL USE INSIDE GENERAL RETAIL, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS THE LAW BASICALLY UP UNTIL 2018.

SO AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR 16 YEARS AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I KNOW OF THAT THIS CASE HAS COME TO THIS COME TO THIS COMMITTEE, PULLED OUT BY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THEY SAID THEY HAD DONE THIS.

THEY DID THE SAME PROCESS BEFORE.

BUT ON THE NOT NOT THAT I CAN RECALL.

SO. I THINK THEY PULLED IT IN BOTH TIMES, SOMETIMES ALL DAY.

SO IT WAS PRESENTED.

OKAY. YEAH.

THERE YOU GO. GO AHEAD, SIR.

THANK YOU. HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M JIMMY. I LIVE AT 2302.

IAN'S SCORED MY APOLOGIES.

I'M HERE IN UNIFORM. I HAD THE HALIBUT FROM BASS, SO I WENT HOME AND CHANGED.

AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, NOT THE YOUNGER FAMILIES.

WE'RE ONE OF THE YOUNGER FAMILIES THAT HAVE KIDS HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE BOTH MY KIDS WERE BORN IN ALASKA.

AND THROUGHOUT ALL MY TRAVELS IN THE MILITARY, I'VE HEARD OF HOW GREAT ABILENE IS, HOW FAMILY ORIENTED IS, HOW GREAT WEST TEXAS IS.

AFTER ALASKA, WE GOT SENT TO SAN ANTONIO.

I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE WITH MY FAMILY THERE.

THEY BUILT A MULTI PURPOSE COMPLEX THERE NEXT TO US WITH CRIME.

WHEN I LIVED IN A VERY NICE SUBDIVISION AND THE CRIME WENT UP, IT WASN'T SAFE TO WALK OUR KIDS THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED.

I BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE SO THAT MY KIDS CAN ENJOY BEING KIDS.

WE ENJOY WALKING OUR KIDS IN THE BUS STOP.

WE ENJOY GOING ON BIKE RIDES.

THAT SIDEWALK WE PUT IN, IT GETS USED EVERY MORNING AND EVERY NIGHT AND YOU SEE THE FAMILIES OUT THERE.

I ACTUALLY ENJOY MY DRIVE TO WORK HERE.

I WAVE AND IT'S NICE.

THERE'S NOT PEOPLE SPEEDING.

IT'S A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.

IT IS EVERYTHING THAT ABILENE HAS BEEN HYPED UP TO BE THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAREER.

THIS IS THE LAST ASSIGNMENT OF MY CAREER.

I'M GOING TO HAVE A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IF Y'ALL LET THIS GO UP BEHIND US.

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SAME THING WITH ABBIE, THEIR MILITARY AS WELL.

I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HELPING THE MILITARY OUT.

THAT PRICE ISN'T GOING TO HELP MILITARY TO BE AGE IS NOT GOING UP.

THAT HAS TO BE CONGRESSIONALLY MANDATED AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

MIDLAND WENT UP.

OILFIELD IN ABILENE IS NOT GOING UP.

RV RATES ACTUALLY WENT DOWN HERE.

SO HOUSING IT IS WHAT IT IS JUST LIKE INFLATION.

BUT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS THE FAMILY IN THE AREA.

IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE, WE ALL GET ALONG.

WE HAVE A GREAT TIME. WE ALL FEEL SAFE IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT WHERE WE BOUGHT AT TO BE WITH LIKEMINDED FOLKS IN A HOUSING AREA.

THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. I ENJOY HAVING FRIENDS AND FAMILY OVER.

WE ENJOY OUR AREA THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY RUIN IT.

SECOND OF ALL, I ENJOY MY VIEW.

I LIVE IN THAT CUL DE SAC RIGHT THERE AND I CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SUNRISES.

I GO OUT THERE AND I WATCH THE SUNRISE.

I GOT BLOWN UP IN IRAQ.

I'M A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT.

I DON'T DO WELL WITH CROWDS.

I DON'T DO WELL WITH PEOPLE LOOKING INTO MY BACKYARD.

YOU PUT A TWO STOREY TWO THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING BACK BEHIND ME.

YOU'RE RUINING MY LITTLE SLICE OF HEAVEN THAT I HAVE HERE.

I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO FEEL SAFE IN MY OWN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ASKING TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS BASED UPON ME.

BUT THINK ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS.

WE CAN'T PUT UP A HIGHER FENCE.

I CAN'T AFFORD TO SELL RIGHT NOW.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TEN MONTHS.

INFLATION AND INTEREST RATES.

YOU KNOW, I'M SURE MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE, WE'D ALL SELL AND MOVE AWAY IF YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, BUT WE'D BE IN A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.

I KNOW Y'ALL ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT, BUT I ASK YOU TO THINK OF THE BEST INTEREST FOR ALL OF US INVOLVED.

THAT MEDICAL.

ABSOLUTELY. RETAIL.

ABSOLUTELY. BUT APARTMENTS, WE ALL KNOW LOOK AT AUSTIN, LOOK AT SAN ANTONIO, LOOK AT DALLAS.

DO WE REALLY WANT TO TURN ABILENE INTO THOSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE WITH US.

THERE'S A LOT OF FEELINGS IN THIS ROOM, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL.

MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. I'M HENRY BEIRO.

I LIVE AT 5825 LEGACY DRIVE.

AND JUST LIKE JIMMY, I LOOK OUT MY BACK DOOR.

I GET TO SEE SUNRISE.

IT'S KIND OF COOL. IT'S QUIET.

I LISTEN TO THE BIRDS, FLY, CATCHES, MOCKINGBIRDS, WATCH THEM FIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY FIGHTING I HEAR.

I LIKE IT, THOUGH. THE STAFF WERE POOR AND I MANAGED TO GET OFF THE INTERNET WAS VERY INTERESTING AND ALSO MENTIONED A 14 FOOT BERM, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ALONG MEMORIAL DRIVE.

AND I WANTED TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN.

ADAM, I WANTED TO ASK ADAM.

THAT'S HIS MONEY. BUT I REMEMBER THAT IT WAS BROKEN.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 14 FOOT MAN? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS EVER A 14 FOOT BERM.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FOUR FOOT BERM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER A 14 FOOT WIDE, 14 FEET WIDE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES, I ASSUME, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNEW RIGHT AWAY LAWS, IF YOU PUT ANYTHING UNDER THERE AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THEIR POWER LINES, THEY GET TO MOVE IT AT YOUR EXPENSE.

JUST AN INTERESTING THOUGHT.

WE THE SAFETY OF THE ROADS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, THE NORTH AND SOUTH INTERSECTIONS AND WHEN THEY WILL BE IMPACTED SEVERELY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN OFF OF THE INTERSTATE, INTERSTATE 83 THERE VERY OFTEN.

IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

AND IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF WINFIELD AND THEY'RE COMING OFF 83, IT'S EVEN MORE FUN.

SO THAT OUGHT TO BE FUN IN ITSELF.

MEMORIAL IN THE ANTHONY.

I JUST STARTED USING THE DENTIST OVER THERE AT SOUTHWEST DENTISTRY RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S LIKE PLAYING FROGGER TO CROSS THE STREET ON FOOT.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ANYWHERE.

HARDLY, EXCEPT WHERE WE SPENT 12 GRAND TO FINISH UP THE SIDEWALKS.

WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT? I LOVE TO SEE GENERAL RETAIL BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE GROCERY STORES IN OUR AREA.

HARDWARE, STORE, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL.

NO AUTO REPAIR.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT STUFF IN OUR AREA.

WE GOT TO GO TO OTHER AREAS, OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY, OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY.

WE JUST HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST.

GENERAL RETAIL. SANDRA, DO WE HAVE HELICOPTER FLIGHT RATES? NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT YET.

THEY COME IN ALL THE TIME.

I KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THEM FIRSTHAND ON THEIR ON THEIR INBOUND ROUTES AND UNDER 14 CFR 135, THESE AIR AMBULANCE JUST HAVE TO REQUIRE A AND MAINTAIN A RISK ANALYSIS ANNUALLY TO THE FAA.

WELL, I DOUBT ANYBODY EVEN MENTIONED IT, ADAM, BUT I REALLY I DOUBT ANYONE HAS

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DOCUMENTED THAT THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT AFFECT THEIR FLIGHT PATH.

HIGHWAY NOISE FROM 83.

WELL, IT DIES DOWN EVENTUALLY, SOMEWHERE AROUND MIDNIGHT STREET LIGHTING.

NOBODY'S MENTIONED HOW WE'RE GOING TO PREVENT LIGHT POLLUTION.

WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE RESALE VALUES AND ALSO THE HIGH TENSION POWER LINE RIGHT AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVEN MENTIONED THEM AS FAR AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY HAD AN OPPOSITION OR A PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, FOR THIS FOR THIS ITEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE INSIDE THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA.

WE'VE GOT A QUIET, PEACEFUL AREA.

REALLY. WE REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR RESPECT FOR OUR REALLY STRONG FEELINGS HERE.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS LEON SAYS I LIVE AT 5245 WILLOW WOOD DRIVE AND I DON'T THINK I CAN REALLY EXPLAIN MUCH ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I THINK I CAN EXPAND SOME OF THE TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO ON THIS, THE TRAFFIC IS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED.

IF YOU GO GET ACCESS TO ORRELL, THAT'S NOT GOOD.

IF THE ACCESS IS ON WINDMILL DRIVE, IT'S EVEN WORSE BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY KNOW IF YOU GET OFF, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET ON.

YOU GET OFF FOR 83 AND THAT'S TWO SHORT OF THE DISTANCE TO TO MAKE THAT TURN.

YOU'RE ALREADY TAKING YOUR LIVES IN YOUR OWN BODY.

YOU'VE TRY TO GET THIS GAS STATION.

AND SO THAT'S EVEN MORE REASON THIS JUST JUST DOESN'T FIT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN YOUR PROPOSED RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE, BUT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX IS JUST DOESN'T FIT.

AND AND FOR THE FOR THE IF THIS WERE NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE NORTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY WORK.

AND THE ONLY WAY OFF REALISTICALLY IS COMING OFF 83 AND 84.

AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD UNTIL AROUND.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DENY THIS.

THANK. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND I DO A LOT FOR THE CITY, AND OFTENTIMES YOU'RE PUT IN UNENVIABLE POSITIONS.

UNFORTUNATELY, NOT ALL OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE AS EASY AS SOME OF THE ONES WE HAD EARLIER TODAY.

SO FIRST, I'D LIKE TO.

SIR, WE NEED YOUR NAME. JACK QUINN, 18.

ST ANDREWS 18.

ST ANDREWS ST.

FIRST, IN REGARD TO THE TIME WINDOW THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP TWICE DURING A MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT ZONING LAWS HAVE CHANGED.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE COULD HAVE DRILLED AN OIL WELL WHERE THE PARKING LOT OF THIS MALL IS OR BUILT OTHER OUR UNDESIRABLE ESTABLISHMENTS DUE TO LACK OF ZONING LAWS THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN REFINED.

SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEY DID NOT SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THEREFORE, I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT ZONING LAWS REMAIN IN EFFECT REGARDING THE PURPOSE OF THE CUP IN ORDER TO BUILD THIS DEVELOPMENT IN A GRAY ZONE. THE PURPOSE OF THE CUP IS TO MEET SEVERAL CRITERIA AND ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS TO PROVIDE AN OUTLET OUT OUTLET FOR PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT NOT TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT THAT IS THEN NOT CONSIDERED OR FEEL LIKE YOU ARE UNDER AN OBLIGATION TO PASS THE CFP AS YOU MAY HAVE FELT DURING THE OTHER RIDE AWAY OR ALLEY ABANDONMENT SITUATION.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS CAN BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY IT AS A COMMISSION.

BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED HERE, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS, WILL BE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU CAST YOUR VOTE.

MOVING ON FROM THAT, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF MY OTHER COMMENTS REVIEWING THIS FROM A NON-EMOTIONAL STANDPOINT. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE ASSESSMENT ON TRAFFIC THAT HAS BEEN DONE HERE IS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.

THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT WAS CLEARLY DONE BASED ON THE ENTRANCE ON MEMORIAL.

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THAT WAS THEN WHEN THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THE ENTRANCE ON MEMORIAL.

IT WAS SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL ONLY HAVE EMERGENCY TRAFFIC ON THE MEMORIAL.

WE'LL SHIFT EVERYTHING ELSE TO WINDMILL.

THERE IS NO CONSIDERATION OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF WINDMILL.

AND IF YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BE SAFE TO EXIT HIGHWAY 83, 84 AND GET ON TO WINDMILL OR TO EXIT WINDMILL TO GET ONTO HIGHWAY 83, 84 WITHOUT GOING TO ANTHONY AND GOING THROUGH THE LIGHT, THEN I WOULD STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR OPINION, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS PACKAGE.

IN THIS PACKAGE, STAFF SAYS THERE ARE NO RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR TRAFFIC CONTROL CONTROL DEVICES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PERFORM THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I CANNOT MORE STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH.

ALSO, THE CONSIDERATION OF OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE PART OF THE REVIEW OF THIS.

FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE IMPAIRMENT IN THIS AREA AND THE CONSIDERATION OF DRAINAGE IS CURSORY AT BEST, AS INDICATED BY THE AGENT'S COMMENT THAT DRAINAGE WILL BE CONSIDERED AFTER THE SITE PLAN IS PRESENTED.

ALSO, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTLY CONSIDERED AS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WILL OCCUR DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IT WILL OCCUR IN PLACES THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE SIDEWALKS OR CROSSWALKS.

IMAGINE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TRYING TO TRAVEL FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

NO CROSSWALKS EXISTING AND YET THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE LACK OF UPDATES TO THE PACKAGE.

I WAS HERE FOR THE LAST MEETING AND IT WAS PULLED AT THE LAST MINUTE, BUT THE PACKAGE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED, AS I MENTIONED, WITH REGARD TO THINGS LIKE THE CHANGE FROM MEMORIAL EXIT BECOMING ONLY, ONLY ON EMERGENCY.

AND THEN FINALLY THERE IS OTHER INFILL DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THIS AREA AROUND THIS SPECIAL ACTIVITY CENTER OF THE HOSPITAL.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD FEEL OBLIGATED TO HAVE THIS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S ALL. SORRY. I'M TONY MELBOURNE FROM ST ANDREW'S, AND I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO SAY THAT I'M OPPOSED AND THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE YOU CAN'T SEE.

THEY'RE WATCHING ON THE TV.

THAT'S IT. HI.

I'M LISA DEWS. I LIVE AT 5750 LEGACY DRIVE.

I'M LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I BOUGHT MY DREAM HOME LAST YEAR.

WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT IT HAD I KNOWN WE WERE RECONSIDERING IT.

BUT I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THAT.

I WANT TO SHARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH A PATIO HOME, BUT FOR Y'ALL TO SAY THAT OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OR PATIO HOME SET IS INCORRECT, I HAVE A FULL LOT.

A FULL HOUSE.

ALL RIGHT. I REALIZE THAT MY HEART IS BIGGER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET, BUT WE ARE STILL HOMES THAT HAVE BUILT OUR HOMES TO A CERTAIN VALUE AND HAVE AN WAY THAT MAKES SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT.

A COUPLE OF THINGS WE DON'T WANT.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE SEATTLE AND TO COMPARE US AND TO USE THAT THAT WE WANT A HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.

WILL WE ASK HOW DOES SHE? HOW DOES THE COMPANY AND THE COMMUNITY.

NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT WYLIE ISD.

I AM AN ISD EMPLOYEE WHO JUST RECENTLY RETIRED BUT HAVE GRANDCHILDREN IN WYLIE ISD AND THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOR DID THEY SHARE ANYTHING THAT THEY WERE PLANNING. TO YOUR REFERENCE THAT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL BE COMPARABLE TO HERITAGE PARK? WELL, THAT IS MY NIGHTMARE.

I JUST LEFT A HOME BY HERITAGE PARK THAT WE WERE FACED WITH CONSTANT CRIME AND CONSTANT PROBLEMS FROM THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. IT IS NOT AN UPPER CLASS APARTMENT COMPLEX AND IT CAME WITH MANY PROBLEMS. WE HAVE REPAIRED OUR CARS.

WE HAVE REPAIRED OUR WINDOWS.

I THINK THAT THE DECISIONS AND THE INPUT, SOME OF IT IS OLD.

IF YOU'RE SAYING 2017, 2018, HOW MANY HOUSES WERE ON OUR STREET? SIX. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO SEE IS THAT WE'RE NOT ALL HERE FROM LEGACY THRIVE.

THERE ARE FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENTED.

IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME TOGETHER TO BE HERE.

I KNOW IT'S A HARD DECISION, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT.

AND AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES.

I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY HOME IF THIS IS WHAT I'M STUCK WITH, BUT I'LL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS MANY OF THESE FAMILIES.

I KNOW YOU GOT A HARD DECISION, BUT PLEASE LOOK AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID HERE ARE NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE AND THEY ARE OUT OF DATE.

I HAVE SOMETHING HERE TO SHOW.

MY NAME IS LISA CROSSWHITE AND I LIVE AT 2434 SPYGLASS HILL.

AND I REALIZE YOU ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

BUT WHAT I'M ASKING I'M SURE SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WATCHING THIS, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF THIS GOES TO CONSENT AGENDA AT THE CITY

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COUNCIL. AND I JUST ASK THAT WHEN THIS IF THIS DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

AND IT IS I THINK IT IS A FIRST READING.

SECOND READING. IT CALLS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

I JUST WANT TO CONCUR.

EVERYBODY WILL GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

HELLO. MY NAME IS ABBY SPEED.

I'M AT 5950 LEGACY DRIVE.

CAN YOU GO BACK ON THE SLIDES WHERE IT SHOWS PEOPLE WERE OPPOSED AND WHO WERE WHO WAS NOT? WE ARE NOT ON THAT MAP.

AND SO THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE.

MY HUSBAND EMAILED ON JUNE 1ST SAYING THAT WE WERE OPPOSED.

YOUR LETTER WAS IN THE IN OUR PACKET.

OKAY. SO IS IT NOT REPRESENTED ON THIS MAP? IS IT REPRESENTED? SO SO THIS MAP THE USE OF THIS MAP IS BY BY STATE LAW.

WHEN WE HAVE A ZONING CASE, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WE HAVE TO NOTIFY EVERYBODY WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THAT LINE, THAT SOLID LINE.

THAT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WE HAD TO NOTIFY BY STATE LAW.

OKAY. SO WE NOTIFIED EVERYBODY INSIDE THAT THAT SOLID LINE.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS OUTSIDE THAT LINE.

RIGHT. BUT THERE STILL LIKE YELLOW DOTS THERE.

WELL, WHERE'S MY DOT? I HAD I HAD YOUR LETTER IN MY PACKET.

I'VE READ IT. OKAY, ABBY, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, SO I'VE GOT IT.

OKAY. OKAY. I RECOGNIZE THE SPEED, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING.

CAN YOU GO TO THE MAP WHERE IT SHOWS THAT MEMORIAL DRIVE WOULD BE THE EMERGENCY EXIT? YES. SO I'M I'M A HUMAN AND I'M JUST GOING TO PUT A DIFFERENT HAT ON THAT.

I'M LIVING IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IF I LIVE IN EIGHT OR SEVEN OR 11 OR TEN, I'M GOING TO USE THAT EMERGENCY EXIT.

I AM NOT GOING TO USE THE WINDMILL DRIVE CIRCLE OR THE WINDMILL CIRCLE.

IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.

IT'S WHATEVER'S CLOSEST, WHAT'S EVER EASIEST.

THAT'S THE ROUTE I'M GOING TO TAKE.

SO UNLESS IT'S GATED AND WILL ONLY BE OPEN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THEN JUST CALLING EMERGENCY EXIT.

IT'S JUST AN EXIT. I CAN TELL YOU AFTER THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S GOING TO BE A POINT OF DISCUSSION.

SO YOU'LL GET TO HEAR THAT DISCUSSION.

AND THEN I ALSO AGREE ABILENE IS NOT MIDLAND.

I KEEP HEARING LIKE, OH, THIS IS LIKE MIDLAND.

WE ARE NOT LIKE MIDLAND.

AND DEFINITELY WE DON'T WANT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX TO LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER ONES.

AND I'M SORRY, THIS IS KIND OF PAINFUL TO SAY TO LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE HERE IN ABILENE.

NOW I'M A REAL ESTATE AGENT, SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I KNOW.

I HAD A LISTING ON TRADITION DRIVE.

THAT'S WILEY LEGACY VERY RECENTLY, LAST MONTH, AND IN AN UNPRECEDENTED HOW TO HOUSING SHORTAGE, PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY LOVED THE HOUSE, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BUY IT BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX DIRECTLY BEHIND.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCE, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IT IS A ONE STORY.

AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THAT IT WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IF PEOPLE GO, WHY IS THAT? IT'S THE RIDGELINE OF THE HOUSE.

IT'S REALLY LONG. SO IT LOOKS FUNNY.

WHAT IS THAT? AND THEN THE AGENT WOULD SAY IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE HERE.

SO PEOPLE WOULD GO MONTHS WITHOUT LIVING IN A HOUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVENTORY BECAUSE OF A VERY NICE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR ONE THAT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT WILL IMPACT OUR HOUSING VALUES.

AND ANY REAL ESTATE AGENT WILL TELL YOU THAT.

AND IT'S. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. DO WE KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE IN THE OTHER ROOM THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME IN AND TALK? SCOTT, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU MIND CHECKING? THEY'RE AT THE OTHER END OF THE LIBRARY.

I'M LAURIE BEAL AND I LIVE AT 5257 PEPPER MILL LANE.

I'M HERE TO LIKE THE OTHERS SAY THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD AREA FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN I LEARNED THAT NOW THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS GOING TO BE WINDMILL CIRCLE, THAT'S EVEN WORSE THAN MEMORIAL DRIVE AS EACH OF YOU HAVE YOU EVER EXITED 83, 84 BY SAM'S CLUB FIVE TIMES A DAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME OFF OF THERE AND AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF THINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO A DEAD STOP TO TURN ONTO THE CIRCLE.

IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE, THEY'LL SIT THERE, GLORY HOURS AND YOU'LL SEE THIS POINT IS GOING TO BE A BIG POINT OF DISCUSSION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, SAYING WE DO TAKE IT BACK TO AND AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED A COUPLE OF PRIOR TIMES THIS WAS BROUGHT FORTH.

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I SPOKE WITH LAST HEARING ON AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT WAS NOT THIS COMPANY.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT COMPANY AND IT WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING NEXT TO CHOICE THAT.

RIGHT THERE ON WINDMILL CIRCLE.

AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A HIGH, I THINK FOUR OR FIVE STORIES RIGHT ACROSS THERE FROM SAM'S AND ALL THAT.

IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT REASON IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE LOW INCOME AND THEY PROPOSED IT THAT WAY. THAT CASE IS THE CASE WHY WE HAD THE 2018 ORDINANCE CHANGE.

SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I KNOW THERE WAS ONE PROPOSED AND IT WAS DENIED.

AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU NOT JUST TO THINK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WHEN MOST CIRCLING MEMORIAL JUST LAST WEEK ON LYNBROOK THEY'RE HEADING TO ALREADY REPAIR THE ROADS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO IT GOES FROM LYNBROOK DOWN TO CHIMNEY ROCK.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT AREA KNOW PEOPLE THAT TRAP THAT AREA IS SO BUSY GETTING FROM 8384 OVER TO BUFFALO GAP ROAD OR WHATEVER.

WE HAVE RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA THAT THEY'RE ONLY WAY OUT OF THEIR GARAGE IS TO BACK DOWN ON TO ON TO LYNBROOK AND IT'S ALREADY SO BUSY THERE.

THEY HAVE A HARD TIME DOING THAT.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WOULD AFFECT HOMES THAT WE BUILT, HAVE INVESTED IN AND TO TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION.

THANK YOU. THANK.

ANYBODY ELSE. MR. CALLAHAN? MR. CALLAHAN, I'VE BEEN A REALTOR FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND A LOT LIKE THIS YOUNG LADY TO MY LEFT.

IT'S ALMOST AKIN TO HAVING HIGH POWER LINES PUT UP IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

KASTNER CALLING CAUSING POWER LINES.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT LEGACY VILLAGE, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF HOUSES FOR SALE.

SO WHAT WOULD INCREASE THE MARKET AS FAR AS HOUSES TO BE SOLD, BUT A GREATLY REDUCED PRICE.

SO THIS IS A MOVE THAT COULD REALLY BE DAMNING TO THAT WHOLE AREA WHERE WE'RE NOT TALKING SMALL HOUSES FOR 400000 TO $1000000 HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT WOULD PROBABLY EVALUATE ANYWHERE FROM 7 TO 15%.

IMMEDIATELY, ONCE CONSTRUCTION STARTED.

I JUST WANT TO PASS IT ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PAT. I'LL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT WE JUST GOT AN INCREASE.

I'M SUSAN BRADSHAW.

I LIVE AT 5254 WINDHAM COURT.

NOT TO MENTION THAT WE JUST GOT AN INCREASE IN OUR TAXES.

AND IF THIS COMES ABOUT IN OUR PROPERTY, DEVALUE US.

I'VE ALREADY CONTESTED MY TAXES JUST BECAUSE OF THIS.

I MEAN, YOU NEED TO THINK THAT THROUGH.

PLEASE. ANYBODY ELSE? SCOTT, WAS THERE ANYBODY NEXT DOOR? HEY. OKAY.

THEY'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? HI.

MY NAME'S IS MCDONALD.

I LIVE AT TWO, FOUR, THREE, THREE WHISPERING OAKS COURT AND I'VE LIVED THERE 21 YEARS AND I WAS HERE BACK WHEN WE WERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WYNDHAM PLACE WAS UPSET ABOUT THE SAM'S CLUB GOING IN AND I HAD MEETINGS AT MY HOME AND WE GOT THE STOP SIGN PUT IN, SO WE GOT A FEW THINGS, BUT WE WERE UPSET BACK THEN AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF UPSET NOW.

BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IS THAT I MOVED HERE FROM LOS ANGELES 21 YEARS AGO.

THAT IS A VERY HIGH DENSITY PLACE.

I LIVED ON A STREET FULL OF APARTMENTS.

WE HAD A MURDER ON OUR STREET, PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER PARKING PEOPLE.

WE HAD A FIREBOMB ON OUR STREET.

AND I LIVE NEAR UCLA AND IT WASN'T A REALLY BAD AREA.

IT WASN'T SOUTH CENTRAL, BUT I MEAN, IT WAS VERY DANGEROUS TO LIVE THERE.

AND I LIVED IN APARTMENTS FOR 13 YEARS WHILE MY HUSBAND WENT TO MEDICAL SCHOOL AND RESIDENCY.

SO I'VE BEEN THERE AND I KNOW PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, BUT WE LIVE IN ABILENE.

THERE'S LAND EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.

EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, THERE'S OPEN LAND.

I MEAN, COME ON. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE.

WE CAN'T PUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX, I THINK.

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YES, WE NEED THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT LOOKS AT A PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF HIGH END HOMES AND FAMILIES LOOK IN A PLACE THAT'S FURTHER DOWN BY THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL OR FURTHER DOWN PAST ALLEY ROAD.

WE HAVE SO MUCH LAND HERE THAT'S OPEN.

WHY PUT IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, PLUS ANOTHER 500 MORE THAT AREN'T HERE, ARE UPSET AND MAKE ALL OF YOUR ALL THE RESIDENTS IN FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS UPSET. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE IN SEATTLE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE LAND.

THERE'S LAND EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK HERE.

AND SO I PLEAD WITH YOU TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT PLACE, THE DEVELOPERS AND THE ENGINEERS, THE PLACE THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND EVERYWHERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANKS. THANK YOU. SINCE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY RUSHING TO THE PODIUM, I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STREET JUST A MINUTE.

TIM, I HAVE YOU TIM, YOU KIND OF HEARD THE CONCERNS AND I KIND OF HAD I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS WHEN I SAW THAT THAT WAS IN THERE.

SO. YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THE CONDITIONAL USE, BUT WE JUST WE JUST DECIDED THAT I MEAN, THAT JUST CAME ABOUT. I MEAN, IT WAS WHAT WAS GIVE ME THE THINKING AGAIN BEHIND THE.

THE MAIN THING WAS TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITH MEMORIAL DRIVE.

AND CAN YOU HEAR ME BACK THERE? LET ME PULL YOU A LITTLE CLOSER.

MAIN THING WAS TO ALLEVIATE SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND IT IS WHAT IT IS A RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF.

AND WE WILL DEFINITELY RESPECT POSEY'S RECOMMENDATION IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. SO WHAT'S BEFORE US, GUYS IS A A A CONDITIONAL USE FOR 312 APARTMENT UNITS IN THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO TWO STORIES.

SO IT'S GOING TO, I THINK, TO 60 TO WHAT HAROLD MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO.

UNITS AND WITH SOME BUFFER ZONE AND AND THEN SOME CHANGE IN THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT OF THE FACILITY. SO.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO GENERATE DISCUSSION AMONG US HERE, BUT BUT WHAT IS OUR FEEDBACK? DOES ANYBODY HAVE SOME FEEDBACK OR ANY THOUGHT? I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.

SO I'VE GOT MY DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORCE MY OPINIONS ON YOU GUYS.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPINIONATED AT ALL, SO.

WELL, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WINDMILL CIRCLE IS THE APPROPRIATE ENTRANCE INTO THIS COMPLEX.

MEMORIAL DRIVE IS DESIGNED AS A MINOR ARTERIAL, AND IT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.

BUT WINDMILL CIRCLE, I JUST I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE ENTRANCE POINT AND MAIN EXIT POINT.

SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED HOW DANGEROUS IT IS GETTING OFF OF THE HIGHWAY AND TRYING TO TURN ON TO WINDMILL CIRCLE.

YOU KNOW, THIS WILL CERTAINLY COMPLICATE THAT WITH THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE TRYING TO SLOW DOWN IN TURN.

AND THE POINT MADE ABOUT THE EMERGENCY EXIT, IF IT'S NOT CONTROLLED, IT WILL BE USED ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED AT SOME POINT IN ORDER TO LIMIT THAT TO EMERGENCY USE ONLY.

YEAH. I JUST. I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT THAT RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF THIS STAFF APPROVAL.

SO, SO LET'S GO BACK TO BJ'S ORIGINAL COMMENT WITH AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL SIT HERE ON THIS ON THIS COMMISSION FOR QUITE A WHILE AND HAVE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE THINGS LIKE THIS.

AND AND BJ IS CORRECT IN STATING THAT IT'S BEEN PART OF THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THINGS AND TO PROGRESSIVELY GET LESS INTENSE AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND MOVING AWAY FROM THE LOOP WITH SAMS AND THE MEDICAL USES TO THIS TO THE BUFFERS AND BUFFER ZONE AND BACK INTO THE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE PUSHED ALL ALONG.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE KIND OF SAID IS A IS A COMMISSION, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT FITS IN WITH THAT THINKING OF HOW PLANNING OUGHT TO GO AND HOW THE CITY IS HAS KIND OF DIRECTED US TO KIND OF TAKE THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS BEFORE US IS, IS THIS IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE USE? YOU KNOW, IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPROPRIATE IN THIS GENERAL RETAIL SPOT? AND MAYBE I'D LIKE TO KIND OF HEAR SOMEBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THAT.

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I'M 100% AGAINST THE WINDMILL ONLY ENTRANCE.

I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT AS IS.

SO PUTTING MORE CARS.

I WAS MORE OPEN TO THE PROJECT WHEN IT HAD OPTIONS OFF, BOTH BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD HELP.

I THINK PEOPLE WOULD NATURALLY FLOW THE WAY THEY THEY THOUGHT WOULD FLOW.

WHERE YOU TAKE THE ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE LESS BUSY.

AND SO AND EVEN THEN, I THINK THERE PROBABLY BE A FUTURE TIME WHERE THERE NEED TO BE A LIGHT MEMORIAL, ESPECIALLY IF THE STUFF ON THAT FURTHER SOUTH SIDE OF MEMORIAL GETS DEVELOPED THAT BIG EMPTY LOT THERE BY LYNDALE OR THOSE AREAS.

AND SO I'M PROBABLY WITH BOTH OF YOU IN REGARDS TO THAT THAT CONDITION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROGRESSION.

I DO THINK WHEN WE WE HEARD THE THE CASE, IT WAS KIND OF THE INVERSE OF THIS ONE.

BUT THE MULTIFAMILY THAT WANTED TO GO IN THE BACK OF THE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OVER NORTH OF AQ, THE I RATIONALE FOR TURNING DOWN THAT MULTIFAMILY WAS THAT IT WAS AT THE BACK OF A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT AND YOU'RE FORCING ALL THAT MULTIFAMILY STUFF THROUGH A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE ROAD.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. NO.

THIS IS A UNIT GOING TO TO A ROAD THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE TRAFFIC.

AND SO I'M WITH THEM.

I LIVE I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS REGION.

I LIVE ON TURNBERRY JUST OVER THERE.

I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T LIKE IT.

I DON'T LIKE IT. BUT JUST FROM A PLANNING AND THE ZONING ASPECT THAT THAT IS THAT IS THE TENSION IN WHICH I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH TO MY HEAD. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I BUT I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WANTING THIS TO GO IN RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE.

I ALSO DON'T WANT A DOLLAR TREE TO GOING RIGHT THERE, WHICH RIGHT NOW I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SHOP SO BADLY NECESSARILY TO GO IN RIGHT THERE.

AND I KNOW SOMEBODY EARLIER MENTIONED IN MENTIONED A PLACE TO GET YOUR CAR REPAIRED.

SOMEBODY BROUGHT A CONDITIONAL USE ON THIS ROAD FOR CAR REPAIR TWO YEARS AGO AND 15 PEOPLE STOOD UP AND SAID, WE DON'T WANT A CAR REPAIR OUT THERE.

IT WAS A LITTLE DOWN THE STREET, BUT IT WAS IT WAS ON THAT WAS ON THAT MEMORIAL.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF IT.

IT IS HARD. I THINK THE BEST ARGUMENT IS THE TRAFFIC.

AND THE BEST ARGUMENT IS THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN TO PUT TO PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YES, I'M NOT.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO STAY IN THE LINES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONDITIONS.

WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.

OH, SORRY. I DON'T THINK THE MICROPHONES ARE WORKING.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HEAR THEM ON THE TV AND IN THE OTHER ROOM.

BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TALK LOUD.

SOMEBODY IN HERE. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE, EVERYONE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

WE REALLY DO HEAR YOU.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STAYING IN THE LINES OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR AS THE COMMISSIONERS AS FAR AS OUR GUIDELINES GO.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT WE DO HEAR YOU, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE IN LIKE A COMPLIANCE TO OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO JUST GIVE US A SECOND, GUYS, TO JUST KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE'VE HEARD Y'ALL, BUT NOW WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT FOR US.

SO. THE WHOLE TRAFFIC THING IS THE NEXT ISSUE TO COME IN AND OUT.

I MEAN, I GET IT.

BUT IT'S SET IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING GUIDELINES.

I THINK IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT ARE WE GOING TO DO IT WITH THE CONDITIONS OR.

THAT'S OUR PLAN.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE AGAINST APPROVING THIS WITH THAT FINAL CONDITION.

THE ENTRANCE OF MEMORIAL DRIVE SHALL ONLY BE USED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS PURPOSES.

I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ACROSS THE BOARD THERE THAT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO MEMORIAL DRIVE.

I LIVED ON HOYLAKE FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

I ALSO HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY.

WE RODE BIKES AND GO CARTS AND WE WALKED AND WE TOOK OUR THREE DOGS.

WHEN MY SON WAS FOUR WEEKS OLD, THAT WAS MY POST PARTY WORKOUT, WAS TO WALK UP AND DOWN MEMORIAL DRIVE WITH A STROLLER.

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EVERY SINGLE TIME I PASSED THAT HUGE LOT, I THOUGHT, MAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A SHAME WHEN THAT'S DEVELOPED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

AND I DON'T THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC JOB HERE AND I DON'T SEE HOW WITHOUT THAT LAST CONDITION WE'RE MOVING, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION AND APPROVE IT.

OTHERWISE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE WOULD BE DOING OUR JOBS CORRECTLY.

SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AT OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WERE THREE OUT OF FOUR.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MINUTES THAT WE DID EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, THIS IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE AMONG THIS GROUP.

IT'S NOT A SPECIAL THING.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING OUT ON A LIMB NECESSARILY TO I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO REGULARLY, THESE MEETINGS.

SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND THROW MY PART OUT HERE.

SO THE FROM FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, LIKE I MENTIONED TO ME, THIS THIS IS APPROPRIATE PLANNING BASED BASED ON HOW WE NORMALLY GENERALLY ADDRESS THINGS.

THE THE DEAL THAT WE HAVE HERE, THOUGH, IS, YOU KNOW, WE IF WE WERE TRYING TO JUST ZONE THIS MULTIFAMILY, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE A LOT HARDER DISCUSSIONS WITH GENERAL RETAIL AND A CONDITIONAL USE.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME CONDITIONS ON IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO US TO THE WAY THAT WE YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS.

AND SO THE CITY HAS RECOMMENDED PUTTING A TWO STOREY ALONG MEMORIAL AND NEXT TO THE SENIOR VILLAGE.

I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THE AREA.

I THINK THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER ZONE NEXT TO THE SENIOR VILLAGE IS APPROPRIATE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND I DON'T WANT TO STEER YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT.

BUT BUT MY OPINION IS THIS FALLS INTO THE REALM OF WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SAY IS THE RIGHT AND APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.

AND WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL ABILITY TO PUT SOME CONDITIONAL USES ON IT, WHICH WE MAY NOT HAVE IN OTHER PLACES.

AND TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE TO THE AREA.

WE DO HAVE A BUILT IN BUFFER.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT 250 FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSES.

WE'VE GOT 100 FOOT OF UTILITY RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN LEGACY AND MEMORIAL.

WE'VE GOT AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IN MEMORIAL AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 70 FOOT RIGHT AWAY OF THE POWER LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO BEFORE YOU EVER GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POWER LINE, WE HAVE 250 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER DID. WE'RE NORMALLY BACKED UP, JUST LIKE ABBY SAID.

WE'RE NORMALLY BACKED UP RIGHT NEXT TO A SUBDIVISION WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS.

SO AGAIN, THAT EVEN MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DESIRABLE THAT WE'VE GOT A BIG BUFFER WHERE WE'RE LIMITING THE HEIGHT, WE'RE PUTTING IN SOME EXTRA BUFFER WE'VE GOT ABOVE AND BEYOND, IN MY OPINION, ON THIS ONE.

THAT DOESN'T PLEASE ANYBODY OUT HERE.

I UNDERSTAND. BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR OPPORTUNITY LATER.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD PUSH THIS TO COUNCIL JUST BECAUSE, BUT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I SEE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, AND I THINK THE CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED SOME GOOD CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE.

AND SO YOU CAN YOU GUYS KIND OF KNOW WHERE I STAND.

I'M OPEN TO ANY FURTHER INPUT BASED ON THAT FROM YOU GUYS.

I'LL ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC IN A MINUTE BECAUSE I'VE I'VE TALKED TO SCOTT QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC DEAL, SO I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR.

KIND OF CLARIFICATION FROM THE GROUP HERE.

ARE WE ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THE CIRCLE IS NOT THE ONLY APPROPRIATE? WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC IN GENERAL OUT THERE.

OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A HUGE PART OF SO SO IF WE JUST LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S IN THE BUBBLE THAT WE SHOULD BE IN, WE'RE FRONTING OUT ON MEMORIAL DRIVE, WHICH IS A MINOR ARTERIAL, WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY 100% SENSE IN ANY OTHER PLACE IN TOWN.

THAT'S A DONE DEAL HERE.

WE'RE COMPLICATED BECAUSE NOW WE'RE MEMORIAL IS I DON'T WANT TO SAY A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, BUT IT'S IT'S KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.

BUT WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT TO THE OVERALL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS THING, MEMORIAL NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO CLARK AND AND LIKE SCOTT SAID AND I AGREE I'M SORRY GOT TO KEEP USING YOUR NAME.

SCOTT CHAN, OUR CITY ENGINEERS AND HERE BY THE WAY, I'LL POINT HIM OUT OVER THERE.

PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SCOTT.

SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE NEEDS TO BE A I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, A MEMORIAL, BUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT ISN'T UP ON MEMORIAL.

THE TRAFFIC CAN NOT UP ON MEMORIAL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET OUT ON AN ALLEY.

SO YOU DON'T GO DOWN THE MALL AND TRY TO GET OUT ON ALLEY.

YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AND ONCE THE THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE ARE THE OTHER BUILD OUTS THAT WE GOT APPROVED SOME EARLIER TODAY, ONCE THOSE START GETTING DEVELOPED AND THEY START GETTING OUT ON WORLD, THEN TRAFFIC IS GOING TO START COMING UP FROM THE WORLD ON THE SOUTH, TRAFFIC COUNTS IS

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GOING TO COME UP ON MEMORIAL.

THERE'S GOING TO WIND UP BEING A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.

I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THERE IS.

I THINK THERE'S A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO SOUTH.

CLARK, THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL IN THE CITY CAN'T CONTROL IS THE ISSUE WITH 83, 84, BECAUSE THAT STATE AND THE STATE HAS A MESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE MY OPINION IS WE DON'T NEED TO CONTRIBUTE YET TO THAT MESS.

AND MAKING MAKING THE ENTRANCE OFF OF WINDMILL IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MESS THAT THE STATE HAS OUT THERE ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF WE JUST LOOK IN OUR BUBBLE, THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IS TO GO OUT ON MEMORIAL.

THE STAFF CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IF HE GOES TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN WHEN WE VOTE ON IT, THEY CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS, SAME WAY.

THEY JUST THEY'LL JUST KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT WHEN WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING WITH ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT THAT SCOTT AND I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TRYING TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND AND TRYING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE WERE LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES IN TOWN, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC COUNT.

YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

BUT WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AT MEMORIAL AND THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED AND IT'S NOT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY.

IF IF THAT IF ONE OF THESE WAS A STATE ROAD, THERE DEFINITELY WOULD BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING DONE.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE IN CITY STREETS, CITY NORMALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

SO I'M LIKE EVERYBODY KIND OF HERE.

WE NEED TO BE WE NEED TO BE FUNDED OUT TOWARDS MEMORIAL AND COME OUT THAT WAY, HAVE A BACK ENTRANCE INTO WINDMILL AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, ALTHOUGH IT WILL BE PAINFUL FOR A WHILE, THEY SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE STATE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OVER THERE.

IT'S ALREADY A PROBLEM.

AND I WOULD ALSO ADD. CLINTON IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE 8384 MEMORIAL DRIVE IS BEING EXTENDED SOUTH.

YES. THERE AS WELL.

SO. SO IT'S GOING TO PICK UP TRAFFIC.

THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE GOING TO COME UP COMING IN COMING ON MEMORIAL ON TO LEE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY CAUSE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO BE THERE.

WELL, BRAD, TO YOUR POINT, I WOULD AGREE, IF I START ON THE EAST AND I WORK TOWARDS THIS PROPERTY, THIS FEELS APPROPRIATE BETWEEN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND THE MEDICAL ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST.

IT FEELS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THIS CUP APPROVED.

WHEN I COME FROM THE WEST, THAT DOESN'T FEEL THE SAME.

EVEN WITH A LARGE OPEN BUFFER, IT DOESN'T FEEL THE SAME.

IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S THE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF TRANSITION FROM THOSE SINGLE FAMILIES TO THIS AREA.

IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.

AND SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS EVEN APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE FROM ONE DIRECTION, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T PUT MULTIFAMILY RIGHT UP NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE ESSENTIALLY. THAT OPEN ZONE DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY VISUAL BARRIER OR DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY TRAFFIC BARRIER BETWEEN THESE TWO.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M STARTING TO TRANSITION WITH TOWN HALL.

HOW DO YOU HOLD SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE BETWEEN THE TWO? WELL, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE WITH UTILITIES AND EASEMENTS AND A LARGE, MINOR ARTERIAL ROAD.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK.

BUT WE DID APPROVE IT, THOUGH. DOWN MEMORIAL DROP FROM THEIR PATIO HOME IN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE.

THE ONE FARTHER SOUTH. FURTHER SOUTH.

33. YEAH.

IT'S BEEN APPROVED. OH, RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S $400,000 AND THEN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS ARE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE BOTH HAD OUR SAY.

I MEAN, WE CAN EITHER MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN HAVE CONTINUED FURTHER DISCUSSION, OR WE CAN CALL ANY OF THE CITY STAFF BACK UP HERE AND RELAX, OR WE CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE PUBLIC INPUT. CAN WE TAKE THE TABLE? BUT NO, WE NEED TO MOVE THIS ON TO COUNCIL.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT TABLING IT WOULD DO ANYWAY.

REVEREND. WE'D JUST HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO.

CHAIRMAN. YES.

IS THERE ANY DESIRE FROM THE COMMISSION TO NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS ON THE WINDMILL AND HAVE TO ON THE MEMORIAL? I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE US TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE BACKSIDE.

I DON'T I JUST I THINK THE ONE IN JUST MY OPINION OF LOOKING AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE MEMORIAL IN THE BACK AND THE

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BACKSIDE OUT ON WINDMILL IS APPROPRIATE.

I JUST THINK I JUST THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST WAY.

AND I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO AGREE REFUGE MAYBE ALSO.

SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WITH THE CONDITIONS.

SO DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION OR SOMEBODY WANT TO TRY TO PUT FORTH A MOTION OR.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO THE MOTION WITH THE CONDITIONS.

YES, MA'AM. WITH THE MEMORIAL DRIVE.

AND WE CAN PUT WE CAN PUT WHATEVER CONDITIONS WE WANT.

BUT I THINK THAT JUST THE WAY THAT IT ORIGINALLY CAME TO US WITH THAT, WHICH WAS LAST MONTH WITH THE TWO STORY AND THE BUFFER OVER ON ON THE SENIOR SENIOR VILLAGE SIDE IS THE IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.

I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MOTION IF IT'S OKAY.

AND THEN AND THEN THIS GOES TO THE COUNCIL.

YES, MA'AM. IT'LL MOVE ON.

IT'LL MOVE ON OUR MOTION.

THAT SO? SO SHAWNTE' IS GOING TO MOVE THAT WE WE.

THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE CUP WITH WITHOUT THE MEMORIAL WINDMILL SHAWNTE' IS GOING TO MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE CUP WITH CONDITIONS.

THE TWO STORY AND THE BUFFER A ZONE BUFFER A BUFFER LEAVING OFF THE FURTHERMORE THE ONLY ALLOWED PUBLIC ENTRANCE.

SO DO AWAY WITH THE WINDMILL CIRCLE IN THE MEMORIAL, DRIVE EVERYTHING BUT BLAST EVERYTHING BUT THE LAST TWO SENTENCES GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL.

IF WE VOTE YES, IF WE VOTE YES, IF FOUR IF WE GET FOUR YES, VOTE THE COUNCIL.

IF NOT, IT WILL BE DENIED.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

IF IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT BUFFER, THE TYPE A BUFFER ON THE NORTH, SHOULD WE ALSO OR CAN WE ALSO CONSIDER A BUFFER ON THE NORTH? WELL, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT 70 FOOT WITH THE WITH THE POWER LINES AND WE'VE GOT AN 80 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

SO THAT'S MORE THAN MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN ASK WE CAN WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD SOME WELL, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'M THINKING AS MUCH ABOUT DISTANCE AS I AM, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH MIGUEL'S RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. JUST SOME KIND OF CONSIDERATION THERE.

SO THEY WERE THE WINNER WAS WILLING TO MOVE THEIR MAIN ENTRY OVER HERE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T ALSO.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH. SO SO ADAM, COME BACK HERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THERE'S LIKE, THAT BUFFER THAT WE GOT INTO OVER WITH GAIL'S.

IS THIS NOT REQUIRED? THERE IS THAT HEDGE KIND OF BUFFER NOT REQUIRED HERE.

PARKING LOTS AND ANY KIND OF ANY KIND OF PARKING LOT WOULD REQUIRE SCREENING OF HEDGE OF 36 INCHES OR A WALL, 36 INCHES.

SO CAN YOU PUT THIS THIS PLAN OR YOU CONTROL IT WITH THE.

AND STREET TREES ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED ALONG MEMORIAL DRIVE AS WELL.

SO SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME SO ALONG THOSE PARKING SPOTS PARKING THEIR PARKING SPACES ALL ALONG THERE YOU'RE GOING TO THE HEDGE WILL BE REQUIRED ALONG THERE. CORRECT.

DOES THE BERM SUFFICES THE HEDGE BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A 14 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPED BERM, WHAT APPEARS TO BE BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE EASEMENT FOR THE UTILITIES.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PARKING.

AS LONG AS IT IS 36 INCHES IN HEIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD SUFFICE.

AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE OTHER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL WITH THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS.

SURE. FROM MEMORIAL DRIVE AS WELL AS TOWARDS ONE.

SO IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF BUFFER THAT REQUIRES A FENCE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE AN A TO GET A AN A TYPE BUFFER.

YOU NORMALLY HAVE TO PUT A FENCE UP.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN GET IT WITH THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ARE A FIVE FOOT WIDE YARD AS WELL AS A POINT SYSTEM FOR EACH TYPE OF BUFFER.

A TYPE A BUFFER REQUIRES EVERY 15 POINTS AND TYPE B BUFFER REQUIRED 25 POINTS.

BUT IN ORDER TO MEET THAT, THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET OUR CERTAIN POINTS REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO EARN POINTS TOWARDS THAT MASONRY WALL, A FENCE, MORE OPEN SPACE UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO SO I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THE STANDARD THE STANDARD STUFF'S GOING TO KICK IN ON THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU GET THE WE GET THE TREES AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT'S

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GOING TO KICK IN. AND IF YOU'RE ASKING, SHOULD WE IMPOSE ANOTHER BUFFER ON TOP OF THAT, THEN I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.

STREET STREET TREES ARE REQUIRED.

RIGHT. DO YOU MEAN WHAT THE WHAT IT IS ONE PER 60 FEET.

ONE TREE PER 60 FEET.

LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PLAN.

YEAH. YEAH. I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING CLINTON IS I MEAN, THAT COULD BE, I GUESS, POTENTIALLY GOOD LONG TERM, BUT A MASONRY FENCE MAYBE WITH A HEDGE ON THE EXTERIOR THAT WOULD REAL QUICKLY AND COULD BE 15 OR 20 FEET TALL IN A MATTER OF YEARS, WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE A BETTER ESTHETIC THAN JUST PLANTING A COUPLE OF TREES THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO.

I MEAN, I GET THAT IT MEETS THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL VISUAL BUFFER.

SO. SO YOU'RE SAYING A FENCE ALONG MEMORIAL THAT'S YOU'RE SAYING DO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DID THIS ALREADY WITH THE SHOOT OUT THERE.

AND THEN WE MADE WE MADE A PERFECT FIT BETWEEN THAT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE KIND OF SET THAT PRECEDENT A LITTLE BIT.

AND I THINK WE'RE OUT OF IT.

YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO ADJUST? I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE, I WOULD SAY, A MASONRY FENCE WITH SOME KIND OF HEDGE ON THE OUTSIDE.

AGAIN, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT WE CAN ASK FOR, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

WELL, IT'S IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE, SO WE HAVE TO PUT CONDITIONS ON IT.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN APPEAL.

YEAH, IT CAN BE APPEALED.

BUT I THINK IT'S. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, MATE.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD ANOTHER GOOD THING TO PUT HERE.

I'M JUST THINKING OF WALMART.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NORTH 10TH RIGHT THERE NEAR JUDGE ALLEY WHERE THAT DUPLEX AND THERE'S THAT HEDGE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

THAT MUST BE 30 FEET TALL.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER BUFFER THAN OF A COUPLE OF SMALL TREES.

EVENTUALLY. SO, ADAM, TO PUT YOU BACK ON THE SPOT AGAIN, DO YOU THINK SAYING SOMETHING LIKE A A TOP B BUFFER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? OR DO YOU THINK SAY MAYBE A FENCE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ONE YOU GUYS CAN? A TYPE B BUFFER IS MORE INTENSIVE BUFFER AND WOULD REQUIRE MORE POINTS.

ALSO INCLUDED IN THOSE AT THAT POINT SYSTEM WOULD BE A NUMBER OF TREES PER SECTION OF FEET AND THOSE COULD ALL BE COMBINED AS WELL TO ADD UP TO THE 25 POINTS REQUIRED FOR A TYPE B BUFFER.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE CHANCES, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY A TYPE B BUFFER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO USE EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE POINTS ACHIEVED.

AND THEY'VE GOT A LARGE DISTANCE.

YEAH, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT IF IT'S DIFFICULT WITHOUT A FENCE TO GET A TOPIC.

WHAT YOU CAN GET A TINY BUFFER TO PUT A FENCE UP.

THAT'S RANDOM. BUT I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MITCH IS TALKING ABOUT, BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPE OF FENCE, HOW TALL THE FENCES, THE SHRUB REQUIREMENTS, YOU PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO CALL IT OUT.

YEAH, IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A BIG CONCERN.

THANK YOU. SO.

MATE. YOU GET SOMETHING RUNNING AROUND IN YOUR HEAD.

YOU SAID MASONRY FENCE.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK. IT'S A HEDGE BEHIND THE BUFF.

AND FROM THERE, THE MEMORIAL.

THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OTHER SMALL DEVELOPMENTS ALONG ANTHONY HARDWICK.

THERE'S A MASONRY FENCE HEDGING THAT.

THAT'S THAT LITTLE SMALL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE THING WE APPROVED LAST TWO MONTHS AGO.

YOU KNOW, EVEN ALL THE FAIRWAYS HAD A MASONRY FENCE TO ANTHONY THROUGHOUT ITS EXISTENCE.

SO I'D BE SUPPORTIVE AND CALLING IT OUT SPECIFICALLY OTHERWISE.

SO. SO DO WE JUST SAY MASONRY FENCE AND LET THE LET THE NORMAL LANDSCAPING TAKE CARE OF ITSELF? OR DO YOU THINK.

MEAN, AGAIN, ON ONE HAND, I DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT IF WE LOOK A LOT BETTER.

BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW WE HOW YOU HOW WE CAN WORK.

WHAT ABOUT BUILDING A MASONRY FENCE AND A UTILITY EASEMENT? THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THE EASEMENT.

I DON'T FEEL ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

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ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH. I WOULD JUST HAVE HIM SAY A MASONRY FENCE BARRIER BETWEEN THE ON THE MEMORIAL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AMENDING YOUR MOTION ANIMATED DISNEY ANIMATION? MAKE SURE YOU CANCEL ON MEMORIAL.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

SEVEN FOOT IS IS THE CITY HEIGHT, SO I'D SAY SEVEN.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S SEVEN FOOT FENCE ALONG THE ONE.

MELISSA, CAN YOU ADD THAT? WELL, YES, SIR. SO ARE WE ADDING WITH HEDGES OR NOT JUST THE FENCE? SO I THINK THEY MAKE IT LOOK A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN JUST HAVING A WALL.

YEAH. NOW, TO ME.

TO ME, WE'RE IN THE MICROMANAGING.

WHAT KIND OF HEDGES DO YOU PUT UP? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TREES.

BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TREES IF WE WANT HEDGES.

IT NEED TO BE IN THE MOTION.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

TREES ARE REQUIRED, THOUGH.

TREES ARE REQUIRED. DO WE INCLUDE HEDGES IN THE MOTION? OKAY. SO THEY MIGHT BE.

THEY MIGHT NOT. SO ARE WE GOOD OR DO WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING? OKAY. WHAT ABOUT TREES AT A PARTICULAR STARTING HEIGHT? I THINK THE CITY. DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT? IS IT IN THE TREES OR DO THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR HEIGHT, RIGHT? YES, THEY DO. THE HEIGHT, THE DIAMETER, I THINK.

I'M SORRY. THE TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A REQUIRED CALIPER.

YEAH, REQUIRED.

WHAT CALIPER? DIAMETER.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? UP AND NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I GOT A NUMBER IN MY HEAD, BUT IT COULD BE IT COULD BE WRONG.

SO I'M NOT TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

WELL, I THINK WE COULD ALSO SAY, I MEAN, AT A MINIMUM AND WHAT WE COULD WE COULD STATE WHAT A MINIMUM WOULD BE.

RIGHT. YEAH.

I CAN EVEN ASK BJ BECAUSE I'M NOT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS NOT OPEN.

SCOTT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT SCOTT WOULD KNOW EITHER? THREE CALIBERS. I DON'T KNOW.

HOW SO? I GUESS. I GUESS I'M DOWN TO YOU, WHICH I'M OUT OF WORD, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CARRY THE MAIL.

I MEAN, I WOULD THINK A MINIMUM OF SIX OR EIGHT FEET.

RIGHT. PRETTY HOT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REAL QUICKLY, I'VE GOT A BIRD THAT'S GROWN FROM SIX FEET TO 30 IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

SO. MINIMUM SIX FOOT AND HIGH, THE TREE MINIMUM SIX FOOT NINE.

WE'RE GOING TO SAY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

YES. EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

SEVEN. I'M SORRY. SEVEN.

SEVEN. I THINK ANYTHING OVER YOU GET INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

YES. SORRY, I MISSPOKE.

INCREASE A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT IN HEIGHT.

THE MINIMUM CALIBER IS TWO INCH 12 FEET NIGHT PER CODE, TWO INCH CALIBER, 12 FOOT HEIGHT ON THE TREE.

YES. SO THAT'S GOOD.

WE DON'T NEED THE TREES, SO WE DON'T NEED THAT GOOD.

DID YOU SAY TWO INCH, TWO INCH CALIBER, 12, 12 FOOT HEIGHT.

COULD YOU DELETE THE TREE? YES. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO JUST RESTATE THE MOTION SHAWNTE' MOTION TO MAKE SURE WE READ WHAT SHE'S WRITTEN? AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THOSE FOLKS.

WE'RE STILL WORKING UP HERE. SO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF.

I THINK I HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSION'S WISHES.

MAYBE. IS YOU'RE WANTING A SEVEN FOOT SCREEN MASONRY SCREEN WALL? YES. WITH THE ADDITION OF THE TYPE B BUFFER AND EQUAL THE SAME 25 POINTS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING THE 25 FOOT BUFFER.

I'M 25.4.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING THAT, TIM. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREE EVERY SO OFTEN ANYWAY BY SITE PLAN THAT THOSE TREES BE THE TWO INCH, TWO INCH, 12 FEET.

YES, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT ANYWAY.

SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE ADDING IS JUST THE MASONRY WALL, SEVEN FOOT HIGH.

IT'S A GOOD. CAN YOU READ THAT BACK TO US, MELISSA? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPOSED MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT ARE

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ADJACENT TO MEMORIAL DRIVE AND THE DWELLINGS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE SHALL HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION OF TWO STOREYS.

A TYPE A BUFFER WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE WITH THE INCLUSION OF A MASONRY FENCE AS A BARRIER ON THE MEMORIAL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SEVEN FEET HIGH.

AND THAT IS IT. IS THAT WHAT WE AGREED TO? WELL, I MAY HAVE JUST MISSED THAT, BUT WHAT YOU SAID JUST ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, OR SHOULD WE ALSO STATE CLEARLY ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINES? DOWN TO THE TOP, ABOVE HER TOP PAY BEFORE I REALIZE IT IS JUST ON THE RIGHT.

CORRECT. YES. SHE SPECIFIED THAT WAS ON MEMORIAL.

OKAY. JUST THE MASONRY.

SO WHAT IF I CAN REPEAT, LET'S SAY, CONDITIONAL USE TO STORY IN FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN AND 11 TYPE A BUFFER BETWEEN TEN AND 11 AND IN THE SENIOR VILLAGE THERE AND A SEVEN FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THE MEMORIAL.

WHAT MELISSA DID. SO SHAWNTE' THAT YOUR MOTION.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SOMEBODY CALL THE QUESTION.

JUST FOR JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE TREES SO THAT YOU ALL ARE VERY CLEAR.

IT'S A TWO INCH CALIPER MEASURE, 12 INCHES ABOVE GRADE, WHICH THAT TYPICALLY WOULD BE A SIX FOOT TREE.

SIX. YES.

JUST FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM CODE STANDARD.

SO I MISSPOKE. YES, I DID AS WELL, BUT I DID GET THE CLARIFICATION.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD. I THINK ALL THAT'S APPROPRIATE, REALLY.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGED ANYTHING.

YEAH. IT'S NOT EMOTION.

I'LL SECOND SHAWNTE' AND BRAD'S OCEAN IN THE SECOND.

MR. BARNETT. YES, SIR.

MR. BENHAM. YES.

MR. RUSSELL. YES.

MR. NOONAN. NO.

REVEREND LANGFORD. NO.

MISS FLEMING. YES.

AND MR. ROSENBAUM? YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS CARRIES.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND THANK YOU ALL.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA? IT'S ALL OF OUR AGENDA.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.