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[INAUDIBLE] MI >> MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
NEXT UP IS PLAT, ADAM. >> THIS PLAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE TWO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
CITY STAFF MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A TITLE OPINION OR TITLE COMMITMENT LETTER ISSUED BY A TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY CONFIRMING OWNERSHIP OF ALL PROPERTIES AND ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE COMPLETED IN CONFERENCE TO APPROVED PLANS AND INSPECTED. THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MUST BE PROVIDED [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
YOU HAVE. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ADAM? ALL RIGHT THANKS, ADAM.
>> WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDESS THIS PLAT? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> AND A SECOND. >> WITH CONDITIONS.
>> MR. BAR NET? >> YES, MR. LANKFORD.
>> YES. >> PLAT IS APPROVED WITH
CONDITIONS. >> I APOLOGIZE, WE'RE A LITTLE OFF RIGHT NOW, WE'LL GET WITH IT.
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THERE HE IS. OUR FIRST ZONING CASE IS Z-2022-14 TO AMEND THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PLANNED DEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 104 AT SOUTH 22ND AND OLDHAM LANE.>> AFTERNOON, I'M ADAM HOLLAND. I WILL BE PRESENTING Z-2022-14.
THIS IS A REQUEST FROM WHETHERBY CORPORATION AND THIS IS TO CHANGE APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES ZONED RESIDENTIAL TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND ADD 50-FOOT RESIDENTIAL LOTS AS A PERMITTED USE TO ALL TRACKS. THIS IS LOCATED AT 93.63 ACRES OF LAND ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY LOOP 322 AND
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OLDHAM LANE. HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTH. PROPOSED IS THIS MD ZONE TRACT NORTHWEST OF THE EXISTING PD. HERE ARE THE CURRENT USES OR THE ALLOWABLE USES IN MD ZONING, GR ZONING, O ZONING, RS ZONING, AND MF ZONING. THESE ARE ALL CURRENTLY ALLOWABLE USES IN DIFFERENT TRACTS WITHIN THE PD.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE SOUTH, NORTH, AND EAST NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AS WELL.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE OPPOSITION AND DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES I WAS NOT ABLE TO ADJUST THE PERCENTAGE IN OPPOSITION FOR THESE CASES TODAY.
THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> ADAM, WE'RE A LITTLE HANDICAPPED, TOO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE HAVING TOO LOOK AT IT ON OUR LOOK AT IT ON OUR LAPTOPS AND OUR SHEETS HERE. SO THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS THAT
MD SO WE'RE ADDING THE MD. >> CORRECT.
>> THE MD AREA WOULD BE ADDED TO THE PD.
IT WAS OUTSIDE THIS BEFORE, IT WAS OUTSIDE THE PD BEFORE?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND INSIDE THE PD WHERE THERE'S RS-6, DO YOU HAVE A MAP OF WHAT'S INSIDE THE PD?
>> YES. >> IT'S IN OUR PACKET BUT DO YOU HAVE IT THERE? IN OUR PACKET, TRACT 8 IS ALREADY IN OUR PACKET. IT WAS DIFFERENT AND WE'RE
CHANGING IT TO MD? >> THIS IS TRACT 6, THERE'S A TRACT 1-5 AND A TRACT 1/3 SO THIS WILL BE CREATING A TRACT 6 AS WELL AS ADDING 50-FOOT WIDE RESIDENTIAL TO ALL TRACTS.
>> IN OUR PACKET -- OH, I GUESS THIS IS THE PROPOSED PD NOT WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. MY FAULT.
AND THEN WE'RE CHANGING ALL OF RS-6 LOTS? EVERYTHING THAT WAS RS-6 BEFORE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS RS-6 I SEE . I SEE I SEE RM-4 AND RS-8.
>> THE REQUEST IS TO ADD RS-6 AS A SCENEING APPLICABLE TO ALL THE
TRACTS. >> SO WE'REZONING APPLICABLE TO
TRACTS. >> SO WE'RE CHANGING ALL OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY AND ALL THOSE OTHER TRACTS TO RS-6?
>> WE ARE ADDING RS-6 AS A USE IN APPLICABLE IN ALL TRACTS.
-- >> OKAY, CLAYTON IS WAVING HIS HAND OVER THERE, LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THIS PROJECT HAD BEEN MASTER PLANNED.
WE'RE WORKING MASTER PLANNING TO DO LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES HERE. THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASED DESIRE TO SEE SMALLER LOTS AROUND TOWN LIKE WHAT WE CALL AN RS-5.
MY INTENT WITH THE APPLICATION ON STAFF WAS TO ADD THAT RS-5
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CATEGORY TO ALL OF THOSE TRACTS TO ALLOW US TO MASTER PLAN THE COMMUNITY. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW BUT THE DEVELOPER RECENTLY PASSED AWAY. THE FAMILY WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THE LINE OF PLANNING FOR THE PROPERTY JUST TO ALLOW IT TO BE EITHER SOLD OR DEVELOPED WITHIN THE FAMILY.THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AT THIS PINT BUT THIS GIVES THEM THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO RETAIN WHAT'S THERE NOW AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT.
>> SO EACH ONE OF THESE TRACTS, DO YOU STILL MAINTAIN THE OVERALL AND YOU HAVE AN UNDERLYING RS-6 ZONING
>> I BELIEVE OUR INTENT WAS TO RETAIN THE EXISTING MD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SO THE MD WOULD COME INTO THE PD WITH A BASE ZONE ING OF MD AND ALL THESE TRACTS LISTED IN THE PD WOULD ALLOW FOR
THAT >> I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED. GO DOWN AND SEE WHAT IT'S
REPEATING NOW. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M
LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. >> SHEET 39.
>> BASED ON THAT, IT IS SAYING WHAT WE JUST SAID, ADDING TRACT 6 BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY FIVE TRACTS NOW AND THEN WE'RE PITTING AN UNDERLYING RS-6 UNDER AN ALL THOSE ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL TRACTS IN THERE ALREADY.
I GUESS IN CONCEPT I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE IN THERE THAT IT WILL DEVELOP MORE RESIDENTIAL BY THIS IS AN INTERSECTION OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER -- ADAM, WHAT ARE THESE ROADS? MATERIALS, COLLECTORS?
>> OLDHAM LANE AND EAST SOUTHWEST 27 ARE ARTERIALS.
322 IS AN EXPRESSWAY. >> RIGHT THERE YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL STUFF SO IT'S REALLY HOW IS THIS GOING TO DEVELOP IN HERE? ADAM, COME BACK UP HERE.
IF YOU GO TO A 150-FOOT LOT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME UP IN THE NEXT CASE, TOO. I NEED TO BE CONVINCED THAT GOING FROM AN RS-6 DEVELOPMENT, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE RS-5, I'M
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NOT SURE THAT I AGREE WITH A 50-FOOT LOT -->> THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A PATIO HOME DISTRICT.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION, WHY NOT GO TO A PATIO
HOME? >> I THINK CLAYTON COULD ANSWER
THAT BETTER. >> I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING, CLAYTON COME BACK UP. >> YOU'RE RIGHT, IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE THE PATIO HOME WOULD FIT BY IT'S NOT ENFORCED THIS WAY BUT IT SAYS IT SHALL BE A 0 LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING 0 LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT.
>> AND TOWN HOMOIS DIFFERENT FROMHOME IS DIFFERENT
FROM THAT? >> TOWN HOME IS DIFFERENT
>> THIS IS FIVE AND FIVE ON BOTH SIDES?
>> CORRECT. AND ANOTHER DEVELOPER IN TOWN HAS BUILT THIS PRODUCT, SPECIFICALLY IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE NEXT ZONING CASE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ON AN RS-6 LOT AND YOU END UP HAVING A FOOTBALL FIELD BETWEEN HOUSES.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH BUT IT LOOKS ODD ONCE YOU GET IT BUILT.
>> OKAY. >> I'M KIND OF IN A QUANDARY HERE ON WHAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE SAYING RS-6 WITH A 50-FOOT LOT.
>> THAT'S WHY WE DON'T CALL IT THAT IN OUR OFFICE, WE CALL IT RS-5 I HAVE AHAND BUT THIS IS THE ONLY TUNE I HAVE EVER WORKED IN THAT DOES NOT HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY OF THAT SIZE.
THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN PATIO HOME ANDOF THAT SIZE.
THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN PATIO HOME ACATEGORY OF THAT SIZE.
THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN PATIO HOME AND RS-6.
THERE ARE MORE BUILDERS WANTING TO DO THAT ESPECIALLY NOW THAT COSTS ARE GOING UP AND YOU WANT TO FIT THE SAME HOME ON A SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOT, THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF CLAYTON? THANKS. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. OKAY.
DISCUSSION? YOU HEARD MY THOUGHTS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER
ZONING CLASSIFICATION. >> MAYBE WE SHOULD.
I GUESS REALLY WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE US, THE TWO THAT I WENT RIGHT TO. ARE WE OKAY WITH RS-6 MODIFIED UNDERLYING ALL THESE OTHER TRACK ZONING KIND OF THINGS AND THEN, TWO, ARE WE OKAY WITH AN RS-6 HAVING A FOOT FOOT LOT WIDTH? SO THAT'S REALLY OUR DISCUSSION AND IF EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THAT, I CAN GET THERE ALSO. I SEE THE NEED FOR IT BUT IT DOESN'T FIT NICELY INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
>> THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE DOING PD.
>> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK.
>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. -
>> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
>> YES. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND, CLAYTON, HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS SAME KIND OF STUFF IS GOING TO COME UP AND IT'S GOING TO COME UP ON THE NEXT ONE SO YOU WILL GET TO ADDRESS IT
HERE IN A SECOND. >> YEAH, I WAS JUST A LITTLE
CONFUSED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, LET'S GO TO Z-2022-15, MODIFIED TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 170 SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS 23 ACRES OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATE I DIDN'T MEAN DINSTY AND APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES OF AGRICULTURALAPPROXI
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AGRICND APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES AGRICPPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES OFAGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE. >> I'M ADAM HOLLAND, THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND PD 170. THIS IS ZONED BY CIMARRON MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT CORPS AND THIS IS TO GO FROM MD RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO EXPAND PD 170 TO A SECOND TRACT TO ALLOW 50-FOOT WIDE CITY RESIDENTS.
THIS IS 15.06 ACRES OF LAND BETWEEN MAPLE STREET AND LAKE SIDE DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 1700-FEET SOUTH1700 FEET SOUTH BAOBAFBA BARRY LANE. HERE IS THOUGHING THAT TO THE SOUTH THERE'S THE STATE SCHOOL ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN AND TO THE NORTH, THERE IS AN RS-6 DEVELOPMENT WITH CIMARRON MEADOWS AND THE EXISTING PD 170 IS WITHIN THIS TRACT.
THERE IS AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO THE WEST AS WELL AS ANOTHER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS FOR RECREATIONAL USES. HERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN ILLUSTRATING WHAT THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN.
IT IS NOT FINAL. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD 50-FOOT WIDE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AS A PERMITTED USE TO THIS EXISTING PD AND THEY ARE NOT EXPANDING STRICT 1 [INAUDIBLE] ANY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
>> THANK YOU. >> WHAT IS LAKE SIDE?
>> I THINK IT'S A COLLECTOR. >> LAKE SIDE IS CURRENTLY A LOCAL STREET AS IT EXISTS CURRENTLY.
>> IT'S NOT THE UPGRADE ON THE LAND, STILL LOCAL?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> DOES THE EXISTING PD ALLOW THE 50-FOOT? IS THAT HOW IT'S IN THERE ON
TRACT 1? >> ON TRACT 1 IT ALLOWS FOR USES IN THE TOWN HOME DISTRICT AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO MEDIUM DENSITY IS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
THE LONG ONE TO THE NORTH IS IN THE ORIGINAL PD IN THERE, TOO, CORRECT? THE CIMARRON MEADOWS
I BELIEVE THAT'S RS-6. >> BUT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL PD,
CORRECT? >> I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.
>> WHEN WE'RE ADDING THE TRACT TO THE EAST, THE ONE THAT BUTTS
UP AGAINSTAGAINST LAKE SIDE? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> ARE WE WANTING TO UNDERLIE, AGAIN, ALL THESE TRACTS --
>> THIS WILL BE RS-6. >> THE WHOLE THING? THE MD AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE GOING AWAY?
>> YES, SIR. >> SO IT'S ALL GOING TO RS-6 BUT
WITH A 50-FOOT LOT WIDTH? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF ADAM? >> YEAH, ADAM, I DROVE THROUGH
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HERE. WHAT ABOUT THE STREET? ARE WE NOT GOING TO WIDEN THE STREET OUT?IT'S ALREADY TIGHT. >> THAT STREET WILL BE WIDENED DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS. THERE WILL BE MORE THAN LIKELY RIGHT OF WAY BEING DEDICATED FOR LAKE SIDE.
CURRENTLY, MAPLE IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD AS WELL AS A ROAD RUNNING NORTH THROUGH CIMARRON MEADOWS AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO
CONNECT TO -- >> SO IS THAT IN HERE SOMEWHERE?
>> MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY OF SAYING IT, ON LAKE SIDE WHICH I THINK IS A STREET YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE DWOERP WILL BE REQUIRED TODEVELOPER WILL BE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE HIS HALF OF LAKE SIDE ONLY WITHIN THE WHITST OF THE PROPERTY HE'S DEVELOPING SO FROM BARRY, I GUESS, DOWN TO THE PROPERTY ON LAKE SIDE IT WILL STAY THE SAME WAY IT IS AND THEN IT WILL BE UP GRATED, HALF THE STREET WILL BE UP GRATED WHERE THAT PROPERTY
ABUTS TO LAKE SIDE. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> DID YOU FOLLOW THAT? GO AHEAD.
>> NO, I'M LISTENING, I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHETHER -- I WAS DRIVING IT AND I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE.
THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU, ADAM. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYMORE QUESTIONS
>> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, ADAM. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> CLAYTON, AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, LAKE SIDE DRIVE IS A FUTURE COLLECTOR SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR UP GRATING AND CONSTRUCTING THAT FOR CITY STANDARD.
BUT ONLY ALONG HIS FRONTAGE THAT'S REQUIRED.
THE EAST/WEST ROAD THAT GOES FROM MAPLE TO LAKE SIDE, THAT'S IN THE BLUE HATCHED AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT'S A COLLECTOR AS WELL THAT MECKES THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THATMATCHES T THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT CONNECTS THOSE TWO ROADS. THE DEVELOPER, WHEN HE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THATTICS COLLUDED THE TRACT ON THE EAST SIDE, HE ZONED IT ALL RS-6 AND AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED HE WANTED TO GO BACK AND DO A PD FOR THE SOUTH HALF, THE BLUE AND YELLOW AREA AND I'M SORRY THIS IS SOON VOW LEWDED I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE HISTORY.
THE AREA IN THE BLUE WAS MD ALL THE WAY UP THE LINE WITH THE RED. THE YELLOW AREA WAS ALLOWED TO BE TOWN HOME WITH MODIFICATION BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO A DUPLEX AND STILL SELL HALF THE LOT SO THAT'S BUILT INTO THE PD.
THIS REQUEST, NOT TO CHANGE THE YELLOW OR ORANGE BUT TO CHANGE THE BLUE FROM MD ON THE CURRENTLY ZONED THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PD TO A STRAIGHT UP PD. THERE'S NO PROPOSED UNDERLAY USE. IT WOULD BE THE 50 BY 100 WITH FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACKS. LIKE WE HAVE DONE ON SEVERAL OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, ALSO TO BRING THAT OTHER TRACT INTO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SINCE THIS, AGAIN, IS CONVOLUTED, WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THIS UNDER ONE PD IF WE
CAN. >> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S FOUR TRACTS HERE, THE EXISTING RS-6, THE ONE GOING TO THE NORTH, THAT'S STANDARD. TRACT 1, THE YELLOW WIN ON OUR SHEET IS GOING TO STAY THAT WAY. THE BLUE, WHICH IS NOW TRACT 2 WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO LAKDE AND TAKE OUT THE MD ZONING AND MAKE EVERYTHING RS-6 AND ON THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR 50-FOOT LOT
>> AND SET BACKS. >> YES, THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE DEVELOPER. AND I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS IF I
CAN MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER. >> IT'S HARD.
>> YEAH. >> SO, ANYMORE QUESTIONS OF
I'M SORRY. ARE WE IN THE PUBLIC?
>> YES. >> SO MY ONLY QUESTION WAS WHEN I WENT AND I WAS DRIVING THROUGH JUST NOTICING HOW TIGHT EVERYTHING WAS THERE, I WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED BY ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND I GUESS THEY THOUGHT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS BEING BACK THERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I WAS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND I WAS JUST CHECKING OUT PROPERTY AND ONE OF THEIR COMPLAINTS WAS THAT
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THEY WEREN'T NOTIFIED, THAT THEY WERE WONDERING WHAT WAS THE RADIUS THAT YOU GUYS SENT OUT AND I WAS TRYING TO TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IN THE PACKET AND THEY HAVE TO CALL IN BY I WAS JUST WONDERING AS FAR AS THE LAKE SIDE DRIVEWAY THERE, IF WE GO IN AND ALLOW THAT TRAFFIC WISE, HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA?>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF DESIGN ON ANY OF THIS YET. WE'RE STILL ON LAND USE AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS LAYOUT WILL FUNCTION GIVEN THE APPROVED LAND USE OR NOT. THAT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT WE DEAL WITH THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE CITY ENGINEER ONCE WE GET ZONING AND THEN PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL PLAT, THAT'S DEALT WITH AT THAT STAGE IF THAT BECOMES A STUMBLING
BLOCK. >> OKAY, SO I'M JUST MOVING TOO FAST? A LOT OF A LOT OF
>>[LAUGHTER] >> NO, WE JUST HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET. IF WE WENT TO RS-12 AND PLATTED THE LOTS WE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE THE ROAD.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT CLINT SAID. YOUR REQUEST DID NOT INCLUDE AN RS-6 OVERLAY, YOU JUST WANTED THE PD TO STAY THE 50-FOOT WIDE WITH THE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON THE SIDE, CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT BUT THE DEVELOPER IS ARING TO TAKE THE RS-6 WITH A MODIFICATION WITH THE SET BACK AND THE 50 BY 100.
>> AND THAT BRINGS CONCERN TO THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE ROAD. IT ALREADY IS A TRAFFIC ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE STATE SCHOOL NOW USING IT MORE THAN THEY USED TO USE THE FRONT SIDE SO THAT'S A CONCERN.
TO FIX ONLY PART OF THE ROAD BOTHERS ME.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANY PART OF LAKE SIDE AND I KNOW YOU HAD NOT THOUGHT THAT THROUGH, IT NEEDS TO BE THE ENTIRE PIECE,
NOT JUST PART OF IT. >> MA'AM, FIRST OFF ON WIDENING OF LAKE SIDE, BY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS THEY ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO UPGRADE THEIR HALF OF THE ROAD THAT ABUTS THE PROPERTY.
>> OKAY, AND WE WOULD TALK TO THE CITY ABOUT THE REST, THAT'S FINE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BUT I
IT DIDN'T BUT IT DOES. >> AND THE OTHER PIECE, I'M CONCERNED, YOU SAID IT'S STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT, STILL UNDER THOUGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND RS-6.
I HAVE LOOKED AT CIMARRON WHATEVER THEY PUT UP OUT THERE AND THOSE HOMES ARE GOING UP REAL QUICK AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT. I HAVE TO ALSO BE CONCERNED
ABOUT WHERE I LIVE. >> DID YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS?
>> 690 CAMRY. I BACK UP TO LAKE SIDE DRIVE AND I WILL SEND IN AN OPPOSE. I JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> HI, I'M RODNEY GOODMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE OLDHAM FORD'S HOA.
IN OUR HOA WE HAVE TWO HOUSE THAT IS FRONT LYTLE SHORES DRIVE AND ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC.
IF IT CUTS INTO LAKE VIEW, TRAFFIC WILL BE A LOT HEAVIER THAN IT IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES ON THERE THAT HAVE THREE KIDS, FOUR KIDS EACH THAT ARE PLAYING OUT ON LYTLE SHORES DRIVE A LOT.
>> YOU MEAN LAKE SIDE? >> NO, WHEN THEY COME OFF LAKE SIDE THEY TURN AND THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL GO DOWN LYTLE SHORES DRIVE OR GO BACK SOUTH 21ST AND SOUTH 21ST
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NEEDS IMPROVEMENT ALSO ALONG WITH LAKE SIDE.SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE. SOME MAY PULL OUT ON LAKE SIDE AND GO NORTH TO BARRY AND OUT TO OLDHAM LANE THAT WAY BUT I IMAGINE A VAST MAJORITY WOULD CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE AND I THINK ADAM MENTION THAT HAD THE MEDIUM DENSITY WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I SAW SOMEWHERE IN THE NOTES THERE WHERE IT WAS CONSIDERED LOW DENSITY AT SOME POINT AND SOMEHOW IT'S CHANGED FROM LOW DENSITY TO MEDIUM DENSITY AND WE, AS NEIGHBORS, ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPING THAT, BUT 50-FOOT BY 100-FOOT LOTS WITH FIVE FOOT SET BACKS IS OFTEN TIGHT IN THERE.
IF WE DID AN RS-12, OLDHAM AFFORDS IS RS-12 AND TO THE SOUTH OF US WE HAVE THE NEW OLDHAM OAKS BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE CONSISTENT IN THAT 15 ACRES FOR REZONING, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, THAT WOULD MAKE US A LOT HAPPIER AND LESS TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE LARGER LOTS WITH FEWER HOUSES THAT WOULD COME OUT ON LAKE SIDE AND THAT SHOULD HELP WITH FEWER
HOUSES COMING OUT THAT WAY. >> WHAT SIZE LOT WOULD YOU LIKE
TO SEE? >> RS-8 WOULD BE GREAT OR EVEN RS-6. SEEMS LIKE THESE HOUSES ARE NOT QUITE LIKE CIMARRON WHERE THEY'RE JUST COOKIE CUTTER AFTER COOKIE CUTTER WITH STRAIGHT LOTS.
BENTRY HAS LOTS THAT ARE TRIANGULAR ON CUL-DE-SACS AND DIFFERENT SIZED HOUSES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE INSTEAD OF 50-FOOT BY 100 WITH A FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
AND WE JUST SENT OUT AN E-MAIL TO THE HOME OWNERS ON FRIDAY.
WITH THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK YET BUT I WOULD BE GLAD TO BRING TOO COUNCIL THE CONCERNS OF COUNCIL THE CONCERNS OF OUR HOA.
>> SURE. ANY QUESTIONS OF RODNEY?
>> THANK YOU, RODNEY. >> I THINK IN THE PD RIGHT NOW,
THERE'S A WIN TRACT THAT'S MD. >> RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE BACK
TOWARDS THE WEST. >> YEAH, TOWARDS MAPLE.
>> RIGHT. >> I THINK THAT'S GOING AWAY, RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT THAT MD
AND IT'S ALL THIS RS ZONING. >> I GUESS RS-6 WITH A 6,000-FOOT LOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I KNOW THE RS-5 ISN'T IN THERE BUT IF IT'S A 6,000-FOOT LOT THAT'S 50-FOOT WIDE, IT'S NOT RS-6.
>> WE I UNDERSTAND, THAT WAS MY CONFUSION ON THE PREVIOUS CASE.
RS-6 IS 60 BY 100. >> PEOPLE WANTING TO SEE SMALLER HOUSES, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY SOME RENT HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEING THE CASE MYSELF.
SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A MIX OF HOUSES IN THERE INSTEAD OF 1200-FOOT HOUSES EVERYWHERE, SOME 1500-FOOT OR 1800-FOOT HOUSES TO GO IN THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND FOR THOSE SIZE HOUSES AS WELL.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M SCOTT MCCLAIN.
I LIVE IN OLDHAM AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HOME OWNER'S ASSOCIATION BOARD, NOT AN OFFICER, BUT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT MR. GOODMAN SAID BECAUSE HE SPEAKS I THINK FOR THE GROUP AS A WHOLE.
I DID WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING ON THE STAFF REPORT.
IT GOES IN REGARDS TO NOTIFICATION OF THOSE PEOPLE, OF RESIDENTS NEARBY. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE THREE IT INDICATES THAT 641 MATTHEW COURT IS OWNED BY THE ABILENE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE DISTRICT. THAT'S OWNED BY -- IF YOU GO TO THE TAYLOR CAD PROPERTY RECORDS, THAT'S MARK AND JAN MILLER SO THE ONLY REASON I'M POINTING THAT OUT IS THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT NOTIFICATION AND THE THOROUGHNESS OF THE NOTIFICATION REGARDING THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF POSSIBLY WHERE SOME THINGS FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS AND APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATION MAY NOT
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HAVE BEEN GIVEN. >> WHERE ELSE DO YOU THINK THERE
MAY HAVE BEEN, JUST THAT ONE? >> THAT'S THE MAIN ONE.
THERE'S ANOTHER, IF YOU LOOK ODELLE LAUREL, IT'S BLANK ON THE ADDRESS. YOU WOULD THINK IF THE NAME IS LISTED THERE THEY WOULD HAVE A CORRESPONDING ADDRESS TO IT, SO JUST POINTING THAT OUT. ONE FINAL COMMENT, MS. FLEMING'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROADS, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST THE IMPROVEMENTS BUT THAT ROAD IS A MESS REGARDLESS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT AND THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE STATE SCHOOL, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES OF THEIR STAFF, A LIFE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE. WE WAKE THAT REGULARLY AND IT'S BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR IF YOU'RE WALKING AND A CAR -- THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM THERE. SO, ANYWAY.
>> SIR, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? >> SCOTT MCCLAINE.
>> OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STOPPED ME AND
ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DOING THERE. >> NO, IT WASN'T ME BUT I TALKED TO YOU WHEN WE USED WOODSON XL FOR YOUR EVENT.
WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> THANKS. >> DON'T LAUGH AT MY FUNNY WALK.
I GOT A LITTLE DISABILITY. I'M AT 649 CYNTHIA COURT.
JERRY IS MY NAME. I'M A WALKER AND MY WIFE IS THE WAKING CHAMP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WALK THAT BACK ROAD WHERE YOU GO INTO THE STATE SCHOOL AND ALL THE WAY UP, TURN LEFT AND GO UP THAT ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC UNTIL THEY CHANGE SHIFTS AT THE STATE SCHOOL. THERE ARE A THEY'RE IN THE STREET A LOT AND PARENTS HAVE SIGNS UP AND THINGS THAT SAY CHILDREN AT PLAY HERE, BUT ANYWAY, I'M NOT TALKING TECHNICALLY ABOUT ANYTHING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME -- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THAT AND THEN PROPERTY VALUES. WHEN YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE FIVE FEET APART OR THE 60 BY 100, WHATEVER THAT IS AND THE SET BACK. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THAT TERMINOLOGY. I WAS A SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR.
I'M RETIRED NOW, BUT I JUST SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS FOR THAT NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ZONING PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT, BUT IT'S A CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE I WALK IT ALL THE TIME AND THERE ARE PEOPLE MY AGE, I'M 72 YEARS OLD AND I SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE MY AGE TRYING TO STAY HEALTHY AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T PUT OFF A DEVELOPMENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU CAN GO DRIVE SOMEWHERE AND WALK SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH OUR OLDHAM FORBE SUBDIVISION, THE BEND AND CYNTHIA COURT AND THEN CAMRY
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THAT TURNS OFF OF OLDHAM. I THINK THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE SOME -- IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SERIOUS AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT CONCERN. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING TO>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> OKAY.
>> I OPERATE A SOUP KITCHEN FOR 12 YEARS.
I DELIVER TO DIFFERENT FOOD PANTRIES ALL OVER THE CITY AND TAYLOR COUNTY AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE NOW SO EVENTUALLY THAT PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED.
MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU THINK, ALONG WITH YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THERE?
>> ASK THAT QUESTION -- I'M KIND OF HARD OF HEARING.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN TAYLOR COUNTY AND ESPECIALLY IN ABILENE. MY QUESTION IS THIS: WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO ON THAT PROPERTY. WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT?
>> OKAY. ALL THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
CIMARRON AND JACOBS AND WHOMEVER, IF YOU ASK ME ABOUT THAT I WILL JUMP FROM THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE THAT ENJOY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
I'M NOT A BUILDER BUT YOU'RE TOUCHING THE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU, IT IS. A TOWN HOME, PATIO HOME, WHATEVER. THAT'S GOING TO DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES IN MY OPINION. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA OF HOW THAT WORKS BUT YOU CAN'T SAY WELL, YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WISH THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON 50 BY ONE HUNDRE1 FOO0 FOO0 FOOT LOTS THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. WE HAVE A BUFFER BEHIND THE OLD OLDHAM SUBDIVISION. IT'S 50-FEET OR SOMETHING FROM
>> ALL RIGHT, OUT TO THE STREETS, THE LAKE SIDE AND THE ONE GOING INTO THE GATE, THE BACK PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE STATE SCHOOL, THAT PARTICULAR ROAD AND THEN MAY I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ROAD, TOO? MY WIFE RIGHT OVER THERE IS THE ONE THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING EVERY DAY.
THEN WE GO WORSHIP GOD ON SUNDAY, THOUGH, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. BUT ANYWAY, EXCUSE ME, BUT I DON'T ASK EXCUSE FOR THAT, BUT ANYWAY, THAT ROAD THAT PEOPLE TRAVEL WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ENJOY THEIR LIVES AND A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE THERE LIKE ACU'S ROYCE MONEY, HE LIVES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT ROAD BACK THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW -- THAT NEEDS TO BE A TWO LANE ROAD THAT HAS -- IF THERE'S AN OUT LET FROM THIS YELLOW SECTION OR THROUGH THIS BLUE SECTION ONTO THAT PARTICULAR ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY UP TO BARRY WHERE THE BAPTIST CHURCH IS UP THERE, IF THERE'S AN OUT LET FROM ALL THIS HOUSING AND STUFF THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET BUILT IN THERE, IF THERE IS A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO TIE INTO THAT ROAD THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE BACK ENTRANCE TO THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME FLOW OF TRAFFIC GOING ON THAT LITTLE ROAD IN THE BACK BACK THERE. THAT'S JUST A CONCERN.
I DON'T KNOW. IT NEEDS A RED LIGHT IF YOU HAD THE HOUSING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR THAT I HEARD ABOUT TODAY. I HAVE NOT DONE ANY RESEARCH BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE I'M RAMBLING ON ABOUT THIS BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR, THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.
I'M ON THAT ROAD TOO A LOT AND YOU SEE ME WALKING UP HERE, I'M WOBBLING, I TAKE A STEP OUT IN THE ROAD AND I'M GONE, YOU KNOW? BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT BACK THERE AND WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN THE EVENER, YOU'RE JUST PUTTING MORE PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE, MORE ROADS. ANYWAY, THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT TO SAY. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS FROM MY HEART WHAT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE SAFETY AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT REALLY MICE SUBDIVISION.
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I'M FROM ICE SUBDIVISION.I'M FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS. OLDHAM IS A REALLY NICE SUBDIVISION. I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD. STRONG, STRONG HOA THERE ANYWAY.
>> THANK YOU AND I PASTORED IN HOUSTON FOR 27 YEARS.
>> YOU DID? AND YOU GOT OUT AS WICK AS YOU
>> YOU KNOW WHY I MOVED UP HERE? I WORKED IN THE OIL INDUSTRY AND I GOT INTO EDUCATION WHEN I GOT HERE BUT I MOVED UP HERE BECAUSE EVERY TIME I WOULD PULL UP TO A STOP SIGN IN HOUSTON, TEXAS OR MAKE SALES CALLS DOWNTOWN, EVERY TIME I WOULD STOP AND LOOK EAST, NORTH, WEST, SOUTH AND THERE ARE 19, 20, 50 CARS PACKED UP.
I SAID I'M GONE AND BROUGHT MY FAMILY UP HERE AND I CAN PULL UP TO MAPLE AND 27TH STREET AND I CAN LOOK THAT WAY AND THERE'S ONE CAR AND THERE'S NO CARS THERE, TWO CARS HERE.
THAT TRAFFIC. I SAID HEY, WE'RE MOVING.
LET'S COME UP TO ABILENE SO THAT'S WHAT I DID.
SO MYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO AN OLD MAN RAMBLING ABOUT THIS BUT I'M SERIOUS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NEW POPULATION OUT THERE. YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF FACILITIES TO KEEP THIS PLACE NICE AND HEALTHY.
ANYWAY, THINK. >> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS
THIS? >> MY NAME IS KAREN AND I LIVE AT 680 CAMRY. SO AND THEY'RE TINY. THEY HAVE BEEN THROWN UP IN THE SHORTEST TIME POSSIBLE. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE QUALITY OF THESE HOMES. SO IF THE -- AND NO OFFENSE TO
THE BUILDER. >> LET'S JUST STAY ON ZONING.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IF WE ZONE THIS TO THE SAME PERSON, SAME SIZED LOTS, SAME TYPE OF HOUSING, I'M OPPOSED TO IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO DETERIORATE QUICKLY SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN BUILT SO QUICKLY, WHICH WILL MAKE OUR PROPERTY IN THIS ZONED AREA LOWER VALUE AND SO I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS KAY SHORTNER AND I LIVE AT 1818 [INDISCERNIBLE] COURT. I WANT TO KNOW, ARE Y'ALL THE
COMMISSIONERS? >> PLANNING AND ZONING, YES,
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT REQUIRING THE BUILDERS TO PUT ANYTHING LIKE PLAY SCAPES INTO THEIR ADDITION, WHATEVER THEY'RE BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S TOWN HOMES OR WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DUPLEXES.
I WAS WONDERING IF ANYTHING HAD BEEN ZONED FOR THE BUILDER TO DO THAT FOR THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUYING
THOSE HOMES AND MOVING IN THERE? >> GN
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>> NO, MA'AM, THAT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPERS.
>> WELL, DO YOU KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER PUT ANYTHING IN FOR
THAT? >> THERE WAS NOTHING SHOWN ON
THESE DRAWINGS WE SAW. >> ARE YOU THE DEVELOPER?
>> MA'AM. >> WELL, IT WOULD BE NICE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF KIDS IN THERE AND PLAYSCAPES.
THEY DON'T TAKE MUCH LAND, THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL, THEY HAVE THEM AT MALLS AND THEY'RE VERY WELL ATTENDED IF YOU HAVE FIVE-YEAR-OLDS THAT ARE SCREAMING.
I WAS JUST WONNEDING IF ANYTHING HAD BEEN DONE TO SPOKE TO THAT.
>> NO, MA'AM. >> THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU IS I OWN THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF BAIRD LANE AND MAPLE, 30 ACRES THERE THAT BLONGS TO ME DOWN TO WHERE THAT OLD CHARLIE BLANKS NIGHTCLUB USED TO BE IF ANY OF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH CHARLIE BLANKS. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE -- ALL THAT'S ACROSS FROM ME NOW ARE A BUNCH OF MESQUITES AND ROUGH PASTURE AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THIS GROUP IS PLANNING TO BUILD ACROSS FROM MY PROPERTY AND I CAN'T FIND OUT.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING CASE THAT WE'RE TALKING
>> WHAT'S BEEN ZONED FOR THAT? THIS IS ZONING SO WHAT'S BEEN
ZONED? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS
CASE? >> THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. THAT'S THE LAND ACROSS FROM ME,
ISN'T IT? >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT LAND YOU OWN BUT THIS IS AN RS-6 DEVELOPMENT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN RS-6 DEVELOPMENT IS.
>> 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES. >> THAT'S NOT VERY BIG AND THOSE ARE ALL COOKIE CUTTER HOMES AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHO IS GOING IN ACROSS FROM ME. DOES ADAM KNOW?
>> ARTS WE'RE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
>> WELL I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL ARE APPROVING, TOO.
>> WE'RE APPROVING 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> WELL, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THE YELLOW PART IS THE PART THAT'S ACROSS FROM ME BUT I DON'T KNOW.
>> THAT'S TOWN HOMES. >> HOW WIDE ARE THESE TOWN HOMES
GOING TO BE? >> ADAM, DO YOU KNOW THE TOWN HOME WIDTH? IS IT 40 OR 50?
40 PROBABLY. >> THE TOWN HOME LOT IS 40-FOOT.
>> SO ALL THAT ACROSS FROM MAPLE ON MAPLE STREET FROM BARRY LANE DOWN TO WHERE I THINK THE MILLERS LIVE IS GOING TO BE TOWN HO HOMES, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> BARRY IS PRETTY PAR NORTH OF HERE.
>> I KNOW WHERE BARRY IS, I GO DOWN IT EVERY DAY.
>> NO, IT'S ADJACENT. CIMARRON OR WHATEVER IS OFF
OF -- >> YES, MA'AM IT IS BUT THESE BLUE AND YELLOW ARE SOUTH OF THERE.
YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG MAP OR Y'ALL ARE ALL CONFUSED.
>> THIS ORANGE HERE IS CIMARRON MEADOWS, CORRECT? AND BARRY IS UP HERE OFF THIS MAP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH OF CIMARRON MEADOWS.
THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS THE STATE SCHOOL.
>> IF THAT'S NORTH AND SOUTH THAT YELLOW LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON
THE WEST SIDE >> IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE NEXT
TO THE STATE SCHOOL PROPERTY. >> MY PROPERTY IS ACROSS FROM
THE STATE SCHOOL. >> THIS IS THE STATE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE. FROM LAKE SIDE TO MAPLE.
>> THAT YELLOW STRIP THERE, THAT'S ACROSS FROM PART OF MY
PROPERTY. >> AND YOUR PROPERTY IS ON THE
SO IT'S GOING TO BE TOWN HOMES? >> AND SINGLE FAMILY.
>> MY NAME IS RON RAINWATER. I LIVE AT 2057 BENS IN THE
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OLDHAM FORBES ADDITIONS. THANK YOU, ADAM.I CALLED HIS OFFICE AND HE WAS AS NICE AS HE LOOKS TODAY.
VERY OPEN WITH HIS CONVERSATION. I'M THANKFUL FOR YOU GUYS.
I WAS RAISED BY INCREDIBLE PARENT WHO IS SAID WALK A MILE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S SHOES SO YOU CAN APPRECIATE WHERE THEY'VE BEEN. I HAVEN'T WALKED IN ANY OF YOUR SHOES BUT IT'S PROBABLY A THANKLESS JOB AT TIMES SO THANK YOU. IT'S NEAT WE JUST CELEBRATED THE 4TH OF JULY, IT'S NEAT THAT WE CAN COME TO AN OPEN HEARING.
REVEREND, THANK YOU FOR LEADING US OFF IN A PRAYER.
WE CAN'T DO THAT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ANYMORE BUT WE CAN DO THIS IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I'M A CLEANLY PROFESSOR SO I'M CAPABLEOLLEGE PROFESSOR SO I'M CAPABLE OF BABBLING. IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME WHAT I WOULD LIKE, REVEREND LANKFORD. OLDHAM FORBES AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE, I'M ONE CITIZEN HERE BUT I THINK THEY WOULD ALL LIKE TO HAVE A LARGER LOT, MAYBE AN RS-10 OR RS-12 SO IT WAS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENT IN THES THAT AREA SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE WOULD LIKE,PROBABLYE HERE WOULD LIKE, A COMPATIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU HAVE A TOUGH JOB, YOU WILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT BUT I HEARD YOU SAY IT, REV LAND LANKFORD AND IS
>> SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPATIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND IF YOU GUYS AGREE TO THIS, THEN I WOULD CHALLENGE HOWEVER THAT PROCESS WORKS, CLINT, FOR THIS ZONING THING, MAYBE SOMETHING I HEARD YOU SAY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME?
>> KAREN. >> KAREN SAID AND MAYBE YOU AS WELL, CAN WE NOT PUT A PLACE THERE THAT'S A DESTINATION PLACE THERE WHERE THEY BUILD REALLY NICE HOMES, NICE PIECES OF PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LONE STAR LITTLE SUBDIVISION, YOU GO THERE AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS THERE, COMMUNITY SPACE THERE, WATER SPACE THERE. IS IT JUST ABOUT THROWING UP THOSE HOMES THAT WE CAN'T PUT A NICE SUBDIVISION IN THE MIDDLE OF ABILENE? I'M NOT SURE IF THIS ZONING APPROVAL WITH THIS RS-6 OR THESE 50 BY 100 LOTS, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT. THAT'S MY CONCERN.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I'M DR. TORRES.
I OWN THE 36 ACRES AT THE BACK UP OF CIMARRON MEADOWS AND WITH
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THIS NORTH SIDE OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.HOW MANY ROADS ARE YOU BUILDING ARE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED TOWARDS LAKE SIDE FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT?
>> SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY ONE ROAD GOING TO LAKE SIDE.
>> THAT LAKE SIDE IS WORSE THAN A TERTIARY ROAD.
TWO FIRE TRUCKS WILL NOT GO THROUGH THERE.
>> YOU OWN THE PROPERTY EAST OF CIMARRON MEADOWS AND EAST OF THIS PROPERTY, CORRECT? THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BARRY
AND LAKE SIDE? >> SOUTHWEST? NORTHWEST. BARRY LANE IS AT THE TIP OF THAT ORANGE. I'M IN LAKE SIDE AND BARRY LANE.
>> ARE YOU SOUTH OF BARRY LANE OR NORTH OF BARRY LANE?
>> SOUTH BECAUSE SOUTH 21 IS ON THIS SIDE.
>> OKAY, SOUTH OF BARRY LOAN AND ARE YOU EAST OR WEST OF LAKE
NOW, THAT LAKE SIDE IS WORSE THAN A TERTIARY ROAD BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE A PICKUP TRUCK YOU HAVE TO STOP TO LET ANOTHER GO THROUGH. WHEN YOU PLAN THIS AND WHEN YOU PRESENTED THIS, ADAM, DO YOU NOW WHAT'S THE SIZE OF A FIRE TRUCK?
>> SIR. SIR, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE
>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW BEFORE THEY PRESENT THIS TO YOU THAT TWO FIRE TRUCKS WILL NOT GO THROUGH THERE AND WITH THIS HIGH DENSITY AREA THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THERE AND BUILDING, THIS IS MORE THAN 8 A HUNDRED HOMES.
THAT WOULD BE A BIG PROBLEM IN CASE OF A FIRE.
WHEN I BUILT THE PROPERTY IN OLDHAM FORBES SUBDIVISION I ASKED FIRST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THIS? AND I HAVE A ROAD, WHICH IS CAMRY LANE, BUILT UP TO BE AN ENTRANCE.
THEY WAND ME TO BUILD ANOTHER ENTRANCE THAT IN CHIASE OF A FI, THERE WOULD BE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S 120-FOOT LINE WHICH IS GOING TO BE A DRAINAGE TOWARDS SOUTH 21 AND ON THE LAKE SIDE AREA.
NOW, IN THE YEAR 1996, 1997 LAKE SIDE DRIVE, BEFORE ADAM WAS PROBABLY BORN, THE STREET WAS CLOSED BY THE CITY ABILENE STATE SCHOOL. THEY CLOSED THAT BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN ABILENE STATE SCHOOL.
THEY REOPENED THAT DURING COVID TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THEY OPENED THAT DURING COVED AND THERE WAS SO MUCHC AND THERE WAO AND THERE WAV AND THERE WAI AND THERE WAS AND THERE AND THERE DURING THE -- THEY WOULD GO HOME FOR LUNCH AND THAT'S THE WHERE THEY SMOKE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SMOKE AT ABILENE STATE SCHOOL SO THEY SMOKE IN THE
MORNING. >> WHAT ARE YOU -- YOUR TIME IS
UP, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? >> BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE
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THIS, MAKE SURE THAT THAT ROAD IS IMPROVED BEFORE ANYTHINGELSE. >> YOU SAID YOU DEVELOPED OLDHAM
>> IT BACKS UP TO LAKE SIDE. >> YES.
>> SO WHY DID YOU NOT DEVELOP LAKE SIDE LIKE THESE GUYS HAVE
TO DEVELOP LAKE SIDE. >> BECAUSE I HAVE A 100-FOOT LINE THERE THAT'S UNDEVELOPMENTED AND THAT WAS
APPROVED BY THE CITY. >> SO THE REASON LAKE SIDE WASN'T WIDENED IS BECAUSE YOU GAVE 100-FOOT BUFFER SO YOU
DIDN'T WIDEN LAKE SIDE. >> YES.
>> DID YOU ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT? . .
WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT BUT THAT'S NOT WHATWE CAN ALLOW THET THAT'S NOT WHATWE CAN ALLOW THET THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO DO. WHEN THEY DID CIMARRON, IT WAS JUST DECIDED. I DIDN'T GET A LETTER FROM
PLANNING AND ZONING. >> I THINK YOU'RE FURTHER THAN
200-FEET FROM CIMARRON MEADOWS. >> I KNOW.
I WENT TO THE CITY AND ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT STREET AND THEIR WATER DRAINS THEIR ACREAGE AND I WAS TOLD, WELL, THAT'S NOT MY JOB, THAT WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING AND ZONING.
IT'S NOT YOUR JOB, IT'S NOT THEIR JOB, WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO? THERE'S NO OTHER HEARING LIKE
THIS. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I'M LADONNA, MARRY TO JERRY AT 649 CYNTHIA COURT.
THANK YOU FOR DRIVING THOSE ROADS, I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF I HAD SEEN YOU I WOULD SAY LET'S GO TALK A WALK.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT KEEP IN LINE WITH THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND, OH, I WOULD LOVE A RULE CHANGE FOR WHO RECEIVERS THOSE LETTERS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING. I'M ON 21ST SO I GUESS I MISSED
I BY A HOUSE OR TWO. >> YES, MA'AM, YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE. EVERYBODY IN TOWN WOULD LIKE THAT. THAT'S PUT OUT BY THE STATE AND WE FOLLOW THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED BY THE GENTLEMAN JUST UP HERE AS TO WHY LAKE
>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? CLINT WOULD YOU MIND REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUST A SECOND?
>> SURE. I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING. >> CLAYTON CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A ROUGH BALLPARK EVEN IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN THE RESIDENTIAL TO BE LARGER, WHAT THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE THAT WE'RE ADDING WOULD CHANGE IN
TERMS OF LOT DENSITY? >> YOUR QUESTION IS THE PIECE ON THE EAST SIDE CHANGING THAT TO A LARGER DENSITY, HOW MANY LESS
UNITS WOULD YOU GET? >> RIGHT.
>> HOW MANY ARE THERE IN THAT PIECE RIGHT NOW?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO COUNT. PROBABLY 35 MAYBE IF I'M JUST GUESSING. SO IF YOU'RE GOING -- THAT'S A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE TO A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT GOING
DOWN BY HALF. >> SO 15 IF THAT'S 30, I GUESS.
>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT 16 IN THAT SECTION.
>> WHATEVER HALF OF THAT IS. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
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THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.>> SURE. >> IF WE ZOOM THIS OUT, THIS RS-12, OLDHAM FORBES IS PRETTY WELL SURROUNDED NORTHWEST AND OF COURSE THE STATE SCHOOL IS TO THE SOUTH BUT EVERYTHING ACROSS BARRY IS RS-6. PRETTY MUCH IN THAT AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT IS RS-6. WHEN YOU GET ON THE EAST SIDE OF OLDHAM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION BUT PRETTY MUCH
EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS RS-6. >> YEP.
>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WE NEED A MOTION, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UP OR DOWN.
WE NEED TO CLOSE THE CASE, MOVE ON.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I'LL SECOND.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND.
>> MS. FLEMING? >> NO MR. BARNETT?
THE MOTION WAS NOT APPROVED. Z-2022-16, TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 159 SPECIFICALLY TO AMEND THE CONCEPT TO PLAN TO ALLOW MORE RESIDENTIAL USES, LEGAL DESCRIPTION BEING LOTS 101-109-BLOCK APARRAMORE'S
SUBDIVISION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M
CLARISSA -- >> IS YOUR MIC ON?
>> YES, IT IS. >> I JUST DON'T SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH. I WILL PRESENT 2022-16 WHICH IS GOING TO BE PD 159 A. THE OWNER FOR THIS PROPERTY ARETE INTERESTS LLC AND THE AGENT IS JACOB AND MARTIN LLC.
THEY'RE ASKING TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN TO ALLOW FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL USES. IT'S 101.5 ACRES OF LAND BOUNDED BY BEACH STREET, PARRAMORE AND WEST OF THE LOTS AJAY SENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]SENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]ACSENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]SENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]SENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]CESENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]NSENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]TSENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]ENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]NT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]T TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]O ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE] TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE]DJACENT TO ORANGE STREET HERE IS A LOCATION MAP -- [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW THE HATCHED AREA IS THE ONLY THING UNDER THAT PD AND THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY. HERE YOU HAVE THE PERMITTED USES FOR THE UNDERLYING RS ZONING THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AND HERE IS WHAT THEY'RE PRO POSING TO DO. TO THE RIGHT OF THAT SCREEN TOWARDS ORANGE, THAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED AND THEY PLAN TO LEAV TO THE RIGHT OF THAT SCREEN TOWARDS ORANGE, THAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED AND THEY PLAN TO LEAVE THAT AS-IS AND WHAT IS ON THE BLUE IS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO CHANGE.
HERE I HAVE A COUPLE OF VIEWS FROM THIS PROPERTY.
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TO THE NORTH IS KIND OF WAY KENT, WEST, SAMEVA, WEST, SAMEC, WEST, SAMEA, WEST, SAMENT, WEST, SAME.WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS OF A 200 RADIUS.
WE RECEIVED ONE OPPOSED WITHIN THE 200 NOTIFICATION RANGE AND ANOTHER OH POSE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION RANGE.
THE % PERCENTAGE IS NOT ACCURATE SINCE WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITHSINC DIFFICULTIES WITH THE SOFTWARE.
[INAUDIBLE] THE PLAN MAP, WE REVIEWED THIS UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT USE CODE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF CLARISSA? THANK YOU.
>> CLAYTON FARROW. THIS IS UNDER AN OPTION PERIOD OR IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SOLD FROM ONE PROPERTY OWNER TO ANOTHER AND THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THAT AREA IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THAT LITTLE TEXT BOX IS PATIO HOMES AND ATTACHED DWELLINGS. THE EXISTING HOMES THAT FRONT BEACH STREET ARE PLATTED ALREADY AND ALREADY HAVE UTILITIES TOO THEM. ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MEME MIMIC THAT WITH THEMIMIC THAT WITH THE SAME TYPE OF
DEVELOPMENT. >> SO HE WOULD DO THE SAME THING JUST FOR THAT SHORT DISTANCE ON PARRAMORE AND ON SOUTH SEVENTH?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
MIDDLE? >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
>> IT'S SHOWN FOR LOTS TO BACK UP TO EACH OTHER.
>> WILL THE LOTS GO ALL THE WAY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER? THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD GAP IN THERE NOW.
THE LOTS AFTER ORANGE AND FRONT BEACH F YOU FRONT LOTS ON SEVENTH AND PARRAMORE, IT LOOKS LIKE A COURTYARD IN THERE.
>> IF YOU DON'T FENCE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK, THAT'S
TRUE. >> SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE
THOSE DEEPER LOTS. >> THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S WHAT'S
PROPOSED. >> ALL RIGHT, CLAYTON, I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AREA WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, WILL
YOU GIVE US JUST A SECOND? >> SURE.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ZONING CASE IN HERE TODAY? OKAY, SEEING THAT ONE, WERE
>> AT THE TIME WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF, WE MODIFIED THE CONCEPT PLAN AND SENT IT BACK TO THEM AND GOT A LATE LAST MINUTE REQUEST TO ADD LOT LINES TO THIS MIDDLE PORTION, OTHERWISE IT'S
JUST A LARGE -- >> YEAH, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THAT DISCUSSION. THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN ABILENE SINCE THEN, TOO, LIKE THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE ON PECAN WHERE THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF THING. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND PARKING AND WHERE THEY WOULD PARK AND ON STREET PARKING AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. IF WE PUT PATIO HOMES FACING PARRAMORE AND NORTH SEVENTH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PARKING
SITUATION? >> I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE EXACT PRODUCT HE WOULD PUT THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIZES IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE SO ME MAY SAY CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRAKETUUCTURE AS A GARAGE OR CT
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WE CAN'T HAVE ANY ON STREET PARKING.
>> RIGHT. >> AND THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT A CIRCULAR DRIVE, IS THAT --
>> I BELIEVE IT'S CONSTRUCTED BUT IT'S NOT PLATTED.
I THINK IT'S AN EASEMENT SHOWN. >> OKAY.
I'M NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE.
SEEMS LIKE WE GOT THE CART OUT THERE TOO QUICK AND MAYBE I'M UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID BEFORE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO, ABOUT IT. THANKS, CLAYTON.
YOU KNOW ABOUT AS MUCH AS I CAN REMEMBER.
ALL RIGHT, THANKS. ANYONE ELSE? LY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T REMEMBER IF ANY OF YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS CAME UP.
>> I WAS. >> DO YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THAT?
WE HAD A PRETTY LONG DISCUSSION. >> IT WAS A VERY LONG DISCUSSION BUT IT'S BEEN A LITTLE TOO LONG TO REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF
>> IF YOU LOOK DOWN IN THE PD, IT'S GOT THAT MAP THAT WE WOUND
NOT TABLED AND COME BACK TO. >> YEAH.
>> THIS IS THE MAP THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT WAS TABLED AND HE MET WITH THE HOME OWNERS AROUND IT AND HE CAME BACK AND
THEY BROUGHT THIS BACK TOO US. >> RIGHT.
>> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING AND THROWING THIS OUT BUT THERE'S NOT ANYBODY HERE FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD TO ADDRESS IT SO IT WOULD BE JUST THAT THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ANYMORE, IT'S A NEW GROUP OF NEIGHBORS.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE NO VOTE UP ON THE NORTH AND WEST OF THERE.
I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT.
I WISH THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE TO DISCUSS IT IS I GUESS WHERE I'M AT AND THE ONLY THING I CAN ASSUME FROM THAT IS MAYBE THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOTIFIED. MAYBE THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT THAT'S GONE IF THERE BEFORE.
>> AS OF THIS MORNING, WE HAVE RECEIVED ANOTHER RESPONSE SO THERE ARE TWO OPPOSED AS OF RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT REASON DID THEY GIVE? >> THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY FOR ONE, BUT THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE MEETING TODAY
BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT OF TOWN. >> OKAY.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE THE END OF THE LINE HERE.
IF WE APPROVE IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER DISCUSS IT.
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME AS LONG AS EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT AS FAR AS PARKING AND HOW THE ACCESS IS AND EVERYTHING.
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IT'S OKAY TO GO TO PATIO HOME FACING
PARRAMORE AND SEVENTH. >> I THINK CLAYTON WANTS TO COME
BACK UP. >> YEAH, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
I WASN'T HERE FOR THE ORIGINAL ONE.
IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LACK OF THE OPEN SPACE?
>> NO, THE CONCERN, CLAYTON, IS KIND OF WHAT I SAID.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND AS I RECALL, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HERE.
WE TABLED IT AND THEY TOOK THE PLAN THAT WAS IN THE PD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WENT AND DISCUSSED IT AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO US AND WE APPROVED THE PLAN SO THERE'S NOT ANYBODY HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ANY CONCERN.
I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAD THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PD.
>> THE PD IS UNCLEAR. IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A LOT OF CONCEPT LAYOUT AT LEAST OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
>> YEAH, BUT AT LEAST EVERYBODY KNEW THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND THE DEVELOPER HAD KIND OF WORKED WITH THE HOME OWNERS SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON.
MAYBE THE REASON THERE'S NOT A GROUP HERE IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON THERE NOW AND THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT IS MY ASSUMPTION. THAT'S WHERE I'M ADD.
>> OKAY, THANKS. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING. >> IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT
OPINION. >> NO, I THINK YOUR RECOLLECTION IS SPOT ON, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THE DEVELOPER DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY CAME TO A CONSENSUS THAT WAS AGREEABLE TOO EVERYONE, THEY BROUGHT IT BACK
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TO US AND IT WENT THROUGH AND I WISH THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO IT COULD HAVE COME TODAY.>> I DON'T MEAN TO JUST PUNT STUFF TO COUNCIL.
I THINK I'M AGREEABLE TO A PLAN. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> I WILL MOVE TO APRO. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
REQUEST FROM GRACE TABERNACLE CHURCH TO CHANGE ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL.
IS THIS CLARISSA AGAIN? >> YES, SIR, SORRY TO DISAPPOINT
>> THIS IS CLARISSA HERE TO PRESENT Z-2022-17.
THE AGENT PRESENTING THIS IS NANCY BROWN AND GENE DEZELL TO CHANGE ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. THE ADDRESS IS ON MARSHALL STREET. HERE IS A MAP SHOWING EXACTLY
WHERE THE LOCATION IS. >> WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST, RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND SOUTH AND HERE WE HAVE THE PERMITTED NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING AND A FEW VIEWS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THIS IS THE MAP OF PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED NOTIFICATION AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY NOTIFICATION WHETHER FOR OR OPPOSED. WE FIND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP AND IT WAS REVIEWED UNDER 1.4.1.4 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING
RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD FOR THE HEARING? SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE
HEARING. >> THIS FITS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
>> AND NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL IS A GOOD ZONING FOR THAT.
>> I AGREE. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I WILL SECOND. >> SORRY, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
>> AND THE MOTION CARRIES. >> Z-2022-18.
CHANGE ZONING ON 7.15 ACRES IN SOUTHWEST ABILENE FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M ADAM HOLLAND.
THIS IS A REQUEST FROM SUGAR AGUA NUMBER 1 LTD AND THIS IS REPRESENTED BY MATTHEW MUZECHENKO TO REZONE FROM
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AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.THIS IS SHOWING WHERE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
IT IS JUST SOUTH OF AN EXISTING SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN WITH GENERAL COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND MULTIFAMILY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE NORTH AND FURTHER SOUTH WITH SOME AGRICULTURAL OPEN AS WELL TO THE SOUTH.
HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING. HERE ARE SOME SUBJECT PROPERTY PHOTOS. CURRENTLY THIS IS VACANT LAND WITH VACANT LAND TO THE SOUTH AND THE EXISTING SELF-STERNLY FACILITY TO THE NORTH. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO A 200-FOOT BUFFER AROUND THIS PROPERTY AND WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES. THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT MAP. IT WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1.4.1 HNT 4 OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF ADAM? THANK YOU ADAM. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME ADDRESS THE CASE?
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING, MY NAME IS MATT MUZECHENKO AND I'M REPRESENTING SUGAR AGUA. WE NEED THE GC ZONING FOR THE STORAGE UNITS IN THE BACK. IT GOES ALONG THE CREEKS SO A LOT OF THAT WILL NEVER BE BUILT ON AND IT MIRRORS WHAT'S IN FRONT AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL GLADLY ANSWER WHATEVER YOU WANT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MATT? >> PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, MATT,
>> ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
A MOTION? >> MOVE THE TO APPROVE.
>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
>> CUP-2022-06. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWING A GROUP HOME ON APPROXIMATELY.16 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY DISTRICT AT.16 ACRES OF RESIDEN DENSITY DISTRICT AT 1241 ORANGE STREET.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, ONCE AGAIN I'M ADAM HOLLAND.
I WILL BE PRESENTING CUP-2022-06.
THIS IS A REQUEST FROM PATRICK BATTEN REPRESENTED BY RYLIE BATTEN TO CREATE A HALFWAY HOUSE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A GROUP HOME, WITH AN MD ZONING DISTRICT AT 1242 ORANGE STREET.
HERE'S A LOCATION MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
CURRENTLY IT IS ZONED MD SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES WITH A COLLECTOR ROAD JUST TO THE NORTH ON NORTH 13TH AND THERE'S SOME OFFICE ZONING TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY DOES LIE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE WHICH ENCOURAGES REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
HERE ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES IN MD, ONE OF THOSE USES IS A GROUP HOME, EARS KOTHERWISE KNOWN AS HALFWAY HOUSE.
HERE ARE SOME SUBJECT PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE TWO ADDRESSES, SO IT IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITHIN THIS STRUCTURE. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN A 200-FOOT BUFFER AND WE RECEIVE TWO OPPOSED WITHIN THE BUFFER AND WE COULD NOT CALCULATE THE PERCENT ANNUAL OF OPPOSITION DUE TO OUR TECHNICAL ERRORS WITH OUR SOFTWARE.
SORRY. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
THIS WAS REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1.435 I BELIEVE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF.35 I DEVELOPMENT .5 I BELIEVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
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YOU HAVE FOR ME. >> EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS MD OR IS THERE SOME -- THE COLORS ARE --
>> YES, SIR. EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS ZONED
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
>> BEFORE -- AND I THINK THAT'S IT, ISN'T IT? BEFORE I ADJOURN AND KELLY MAY GET ME AGAIN BUT I'M CONCERNED OVER THIS RS-6, 50-FOOT THING, CAN WE GET THAT ON AN AGENDA
NEXT MONTH TO TALK ABOUT THAT? >> I DON'T LIKE IT, EITHER.
>> WE CAN ADD IT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THAT PURPOSE FOR NEXT
>> HON> HONESTLY, I DON'T LIKE I COULD BE TALKED INTO IT BY I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PD EVERY TIME SOMEONE DOES THIS.
IF WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THIS NEXT TIME AND BE
FORTHRIGHT WITH WHAT WE THINK. >> YES, SIR.
>> CAN I ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
IS THERE A REASON THAT WE DON'T LIKE RS-5?
>> IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME LOT REQUIREMENTS AS A PATIO HOME.
THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH TASTE FOR THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN WE REWRITE THAT PROBABLY STARTING THE FIRST OF THE YEAR BUT IT'S KIND OF THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HEARD OF IT AND IT WAS REQUESTED TWICE.
>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO COME UP MORE OFTEN.
>> HE MENTIONED THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO OR SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. THEY WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY
WITH IT. >> PATIO HOME IS A ZERO LOT LINE
CONDITION THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT. >> BEFORE WE GET TO FURTHER
DISCUSSION, LET'S -- >> YEAH, JUST THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY BUT WE CAN ADD THIS.
>> WOULD YOU ADD THAT FOR DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH? AND YOU CAN SEE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SO YOU
CAN BE PREPARED FOR IT. >> PERFECT.
>> I'LL COME BACK AND VISIT WITH YOU GUYS.
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