Jul 07, 2022 Special Called Landmarks Commission

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OR REQUEST OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL BY THIS COMMISSION. OUR OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE, STRUCTURES AND LANDS, DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE OF UNIQUE HISTORICAL

[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Meeting Minutes from the Previous Regular Meeting Held on April 26, 2022]

THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

I HAVE FOUND ONE POSSIBLE MISTAKE WITH THE MINUTES AND IT'S PRETTY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

ONE ITEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS THE CYPRESS STREET. 158 CYPRESS STREET.

CA 2022-02. WE HAD DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO REMOVE THE WHITE TILE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT GOES ABOUT THREE -- TWO OR 3 FEET UP AROUND THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND THAT THEY MIGHT REPLACE THAT WITH STUCCO.

WE'VE LEFT THAT OFF THE MINUTES THAT THAT WAS APPROVED.

SO MELISSA IS GOING TO GO FOR US AND CHECK AND SEE AND LISTEN TO THE MINUTES OF THAT AND ADD THAT TO THE MINUTES AND WE'RE GOING TO DEFER APPROVAL OF THESE MINUTES FOR APRIL 26TH UNTIL NEXT TIME. IS THAT OKAY, KELLY?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT IS MISSING OFF OF THESE. AND THAT'S OKAY TO POSTPONE THE

APPROVAL >> YES.

>> IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? OKAY.

SO WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE MINUTES.

WE ARE POSTPONING THEM TO OUR NEXT MEETING.

[2. CA-2022-03: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request to Replace Windows and Storefront Doors at 202 Cypress Street. ]

WE'LL HAVE THE STAFF REPORT NOW.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MELISSA FARR, I AM WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO REPLACE WINDOWS AND TWO DOORS. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 202 CYPRESS STREET. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THIS, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR PACKETS AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THIS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF RECORDING. THIS IS THE WRONG PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE ARE ALL GOING THROUGH THIS TOGETHER. WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT OUR

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BUT ISN'T IT NICE AND BRIGHT AND CLEAN IN HERE?

>> YES. >> MELISSA, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW THE PAGE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO

>> I CAN TRY TO DO THAT. LET ME GRAB A PACKET.

BEGINNING IN YOUR PACKET, BEHIND THE STAFF REPORT IS THE PRESENTATION. AM I OKAY TO TAKE OVER?

>> IT WON'T LET YOU. >> IT WON'T.

OKAY. WE SHOULD BE OKAY THEN.

BASICALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HE WANTS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS UPSTAIRS, WHICH ARE THE BLOCK WINDOWS ON THE TOP OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND TWO DOORS.

ADDITIONALLY, TWO TO NINE GLASS WINDOW PANE WINDOWS WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTHSIDE AND TWO ON THE EAST SIDE TO OPEN THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY THERE.

LATER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I DID FIND A FILE IN OUR OFFICES AND I DO HAVE OLD SLIDES AND THEN I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT ALSO WILL HAVE SOME PHOTOS AND ADDITIONAL DETAILS.

THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY IS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH HISTORIC OVERLAY.

IT IS NAMED NORA HALL RIGHT NOW.

YOU MAY KNOW IT AS THE PAXTON BUILDING.

THAT IS THE HISTORIC NAME. SHE IS SHOWING THE LOCATION MAP RIGHT NOW SO THAT YOU WILL SEE THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY NORTH 2ND STREET, CEDAR STREET AND NORTH 3RD STREET.

WE HAVE AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP. AND THE ZONING TO REFLECT THAT CENTRAL BUSINESS WITH HISTORIC OVERLAY.

ALSO NOTICE THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE. AND THEN WE HAVE A PHOTO FROM THE FILE THAT I MENTIONED THAT WE HAD IN OUR OFFICE OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. THIS IS FROM A NEWSPAPER CLIPPING. SO IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.

BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK IN THE DAY. I DO NOT KNOW THE DATE OF THAT PHOTO, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT WERE IN THE FILE. I DID SEE ONE OF THEM WAS FROM 2003. AND THIS JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

AND NOW YOU SEE IT AS NORA HALL.

NORA HALL IS A LIVE MUSIC EVENT VENUE.

THIS IS A TWO-STORY THREE-BAY COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL STYLE, WITH ART DECO INFLUENCES.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1923. BUILDING LISTED IN THE CITY OF ABILENE HISTORIC DATABASE, AS WELL AS THE ABILENE REGISTER HISTORIC BUILDINGS. ALSO RECOMMENDED IN THE HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN WALKING TOUR.

YOU WILL SEE SEPARATE FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PRESENTATION, I CLIPPED IT SEPARATELY, YOU WILL SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AND IT IS A DRAWING TO MATCH THE BIDS.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CHANGES. AND THE LISTED IN THE AREA OF THE WINDOWS THAT THEY WANT TO REPLACE, WHICH PAGE OF THE BID APPLIES TO THAT. SO WE HAVE DRAWINGS HERE FOR YOU TO VIEW OF WHAT IT IS THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

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FOR ME AT THIS TIME? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH

YOU. >> WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF PRESENTATION. AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

AND IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK, COME TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> NATHAN HAWTHORNE, 1115 NORTH 2ND STREET.

I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH ME AND DOING THIS.

MELISSA MOSTLY COVERED IT. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAD QUESTIONS. I KNOW THESE DRAWINGS ARE

BEAUTIFUL AND ACCURATE. >> IT GIVES US THE IDEA WE

NEED. >> TALK US THROUGH IT, NATHAN.

TELL US ABOUT I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF EACH SECTION.

ONE THING I WAS WONDERING, AND YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS, SO DO WE THINK THERE WAS WINDOW PANES WHERE THOSE BLOCK WINDOWS ARE NOW? ARE THOSE BLOCK WINDOWS NOT -- YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL IN THAT HISTORIC PHOTO.

>> I'M NOT SURE. THAT IS THE ONLY REAL OLD PHOTO LIKE THAT I'VE SEEN. I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE BLOCK WINDOWS. BUT WE REPLACED THEM NEXT DOOR WITH JUST KIND OF COMMERCIAL GLASS AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT MATCHES AND IT'S ALL UNIFORM.

BUT WE WANT TO TAKE -- GO BACK TO AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL BRICK WE CAN, HAVE MODERN WINDOWS THAT ARE MORE EFFICIENT, LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.

A LOT OF THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE ROTTING OUT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS ARE MOSTLY JUST GONE.

AND FILLED IN WITH EITHER STUCCO ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS TILE AND DIFFERENT THINGS COVERING IT UP.

AND THEN SIDING AND WOOD FRAME WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE BEFORE.

>> NORMALLY THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ASK THAT WE MAKE NO RADICAL CHANGES SPECIFICALLY TO ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 50 YEARS.

FROM WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT IS THERE NOW IS LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD. WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IT BACK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1920 AND 1970S STANDARDS. THAT IS WHY SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE IS ALLOWED. BECAUSE HE'S PUTTING IT BACK CLOSER TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS.

THE WINDOWS, THE MATERIALS ARE DIFFERENT BUT YOU'RE GETTING IT BACK TO THE LOOK, AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO THAT ORIGINAL TIME

PERIOD. >> SO MY UNDERSTANDING, I CAN'T CONFIRM THIS, WAS THAT IN THE 60S OR 70S, IT WAS A MEXICAN RESTAURANT, THAT IS WHERE THE STUCCO AND BLOCK WAS PUT IN.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ORIGINAL. BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT TIME PERIOD TO KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

>> MOST PHOTOS WE SAW WERE BETWEEN 1970 AND '84, I THINK IS WHAT THE CITY HAS ON FILE AND WHAT WE HAVE ON FILE AT THE APL. LESS THAN 50 YEARS.

>> YEAH. I THINK IT WAS EITHER LATE '80S OR EARLY '90S. THERE WAS ONE TYPO, NOT A BIG DEAL, MAY HAVE BEEN ON OUR END, BUT IT SAID 229 WINDOWS.

THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY 29 LIGHT WINDOWS.

>> I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. IT KIND OF SAY TWO TO NINE LIKE YOU WEREN'T SURE HOW MANY YOU WERE GOING TO DO.

>> 2 NINE LIGHT, WHICH IS JUST THE BLOCKS OF SQUARES AND THREE

BY THREE. >> I HAD SEEN THAT.

SO TELL US, ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THAT STUCCO? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP ANY OF THAT STUCCO OR IS THAT ALL COMING OFF? IS THE BRICK STILL UNDER THERE?

>> YES, MA'AM. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION IT'S IN. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT STUCCO, YOU CAN SEE IN PARTS WHERE IT'S COMING OFF, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A MESH BACKING THAT THE STUCCO IS ON, SO I'M HOPING

IT WILL PEEL RIGHT BACK OFF. >> IS THAT JUST ON THE EASTERN SIDE OR A LITTLE BIT IS ON -- WHAT ALL IS THIS RIGHT HERE?

>> THAT IS TILE. I'M YELLING INTO THIS THING.

THAT IS TILE. >> THAT IS GOING TO COME OFF?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> UNFORTUNATELY, MANY TIMES

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>> IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME. GOING TO LOOK BETTER.

>> I'M EXCITED. >> OKAY.

ARE THESE BAYS GOING TO STAY THE SAME AS THEY ARE NOW FOR

RIGHT NOW? >> SO THE FURTHEST WEST ONE, THAT IS BRICK, SO THERE IS NOT REALLY MUCH WE CAN DO TO IT?

>> THIS ONE. >> YES, MA'AM.

ALSO THE ENTRANCE TO THE SECOND STORY.

SO THERE IS A STAIRWELL BEHIND THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT DOOR TO IT IS GOING TO BE THE INDEPENDENT BOOKSTORE, 7 AND 1. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO DO

MUCH TO THAT. >> WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT?

>> YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE HAPPY WITH IT THE WAY IT IS. SAME THING WITH THAT CENTER SPOT, WE'VE GOT A TENANT THAT IS A KIDS CLOTHING STORE.

MAGNOLIA AND OAK. THEY'RE HAPPY WITH IT.

SO REALLY, THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THE STUCCO AND ALL OF THE CHANGES START. IS WHERE THAT AWNING IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE TILE OFF THE WHOLE BUILDING AND TRY AND GO BACK TO THE RED BRICK AND BLACK WINDOWS.

SO PROBABLY PAINT THE SILVER TO MATCH THE BLACK.

AS LONG AS IT LOOKS GOOD. >> OH, THAT MIGHT BE -- THAT WOULD BE AN ECONOMICAL WAY TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.

>> WE'LL SEE IF IT PAINTS AND LOOKS RIGHT.

>> IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE MORE.

SORRY. TALKING A LOT.

THE UPPER WINDOW, USUALLY DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS SHOULDN'T REPLACE A WINDOW BECAUSE OF PEELING, PAINT, AIR FILTRATION OR APPEARANCE.

UPPER WINDOWS ARE ALSO IN BAD AS SHAPE AND NEED REPLACEMENT?

>> THERE WAS. IN FACT WE HAVE TO HAVE PLEXIGLASS ON THE INSIDE RIGHT NOW.

YESTERDAY A BIRD FLEW THROUGH ONE OF THEM.

THE WOOD IS ROTTED. THE GLASS IS IN THERE.

JUST FOR EFFICIENCY AND EVEN AESTHETICS, WE'VE GOT A TENANT MOVING IN THAT IS GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE FLOOR.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT NICE. >> OKAY.

THIS IS ALUMINUM CLAD DOUBLE PANED SEALED WINDOW?

NO WOOD? >> YES, SIR.

CORRECT. >> LET'S SEE.

SO NOW, THOSE PANELS THAT GO ON THE EASTERN SIDE, LIKE THERE IS GOING TO BE A DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ONE AND THEN ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, ONE OF THOSE

PANELS. >> YES, MA'AM.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PHOTO FROM 1923, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IF YOU GO STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THE UPSTAIRS, THE COMMERCIAL DOWN STAIRS MATCHES IT. SO JUST IMAGINE UNDER EACH SET OF UPSTAIRS WINDOWS, A SET OF COMMERCIAL GLASS THAT IS THE SAME WIDTH. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THE IDEA IS TO HOPEFULLY HAVE ONE DOOR PACKAGE AND TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THEN THERE IS THREE OTHER, ONE DOOR PACKAGE, TWO WINDOW

PACKAGES. >> Y'ALL HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE

LOCATION YET OF THE DOOR? >> I THINK IT WILL BE THE FURTHEST NORTH AND WEST, BUT IT'S NOT 100 PERCENT.

>> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD

MATTER. >> I THINK IN THE OLD PHOTO YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THE DOOR WAS EVER, TO BE HONEST.

AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, THERE IS TWO DOOR PAC PACKAGES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHATEVER WAS ORIGINALLY IN WHERE THOSE GLASS BLOCKS ARE NOW WAS WIDER, THAT THOSE TOOK A SPACE THAT WAS WIDER THAN THE GLASS BLOCKS DO NOW.

IF YOU LOOK IN THIS PICTURE, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE TWO ME, I'M JUST SPECULATING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS OR IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THOSE

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>> UNTIL YOU KIND OF DEMO THAT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SPACE IS. SO YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW GUYS HAVE MEASURED IT, BUT ULTIMATELY, ONCE YOU DEMO IT ALL, YOU GO REMEASURE. IT MAY TURN OUT TO WHERE THE BEAM DIVIDING IT MAY NOT BE PERMANENT OR YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE AWNINGS, WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WILL STAY OR NOT. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO PLAY A

LITTLE BIT OF IT BY EAR. >> OKAY.

THEY HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTING THOSE WINDOWS OR

ANYTHING? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? >> YES, MA'AM, I DO.

>> IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL, THAT THE WINDOWS WENT

UP INTO THIS SPACE SOME. >> I DON'T THINK THEY DO.

JUST BECAUSE ON THE INTERIOR, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY WERE. THE LENTIL ON THE INSIDE, THE CONCRETE IS AT THAT LEVEL. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BIGGER, BUT THEY COULD GO FURTHER DOWN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING. OR THAT COULD BE FABRIC, FOR

ALL WE KNOW IN THE PICTURE. >> WE TRUST YOU WHEN YOU GET IN THERE. TRY TO PUT IT BACK I GUESS AS CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL AS YOU CAN.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL.

THAT IS A GREAT THING Y'ALL ARE DOING INVESTING IN THAT FOR US.

>> THANK YOU >> IS THERE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WENT ON IN THE PROCESS WITH THE LOCAL SUPPLIER OR WITH THE -- I'M SORRY. WITH THE SUPPLIER OR HAVE A SURVEY TAKEN, ABLE TO TAKE THE INVENTORY OF THE GLASS, TRY TO MATCH IT. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RADICALLY DIFFERENT TO SECURE THE BUILDING AND MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED PROGRESS. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE BUILDING AS WE CAN FOR IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH WITH YOUR GLASS INSTALLER OR ANYONE ELSE? OR THIS WAS THEIR BID AND THIS IS THE BEST THING YOU COULD

GET? >> THEY CAME OUT AND MEASURED.

I SHOWED HIM THIS PICTURE AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. JUST WITH MODERN MATERIALS.

A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT AND PRACTICAL.

>> OKAY. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IT'S A HARD PROCESS TO BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IS IMPORTANT HISTORICALLY AND WHAT WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD FOR GROWTH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN THE AUDIENCE? THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> I HAD A FEW CONCERNS BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE SO MANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING, NOT JUST HOW IT CHANGED IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, BUT HOW IT'S CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL FORMAT AND YOU KNOW, THIS SKIRTS KIND OF A LINE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

AND SO I JUST HAD A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

I WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD, PROGRESS AND GROWTH.

MORE PEOPLE WHO REVITALIZE MORE THINGS.

SO MANY CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO THE BLOCK WINDOWS, TO THE UPPER WINDOWS, THEY ARE IN BAD SHAPE.

I'VE SEEN THE BUILDING BEFORE. I JUST HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE, IT'S A GOOD PLAN.

SOMEONE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY DOWNTOWN TO TRY TO REVITALIZE THIS BUILDING, MAKE IT A GOOD USE FOR THE PUBLIC.

I'M HAPPY FOR THAT. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT PUT IT NEAR THE EDGE OF WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, IF YOU EVER WANTED TO GO FOR TAX INCENTIVES AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT WITH THIS.

FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, STAY IN THE CERTIFIED LOCALLY GOVERNMENT, WE'RE THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 100 PERCENT AGREEMENT ON THIS WHEN WE VOTE. I JUST WANT IT TO BE KNOWN IN THE FUTURE IF WE COME ACROSS ONE THAT IS NEAR THE EDGE OR SOMEONE DOESN'T TAKE ALL THE TIME AND CARE YOU DID FOR THE BID, WE WANT TO BE WEARY OF BALANCING THAT GROWTH AND RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION. THAT IS ALL.

>> DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, IN THE CERTIFICATE WHEN THEY -- DID THEY MENTION TAKING OFF THE TILES AND THE STUCCO? IS THAT IN THE PROPOSED -- HERE IS PROPOSAL.

BLOCK WINDOWS, THE FIRST FLOOR. I DO NOT THINK THAT TAKING OFF

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SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADD THAT, MELISSA, WHEN WE WRITE UP WHAT WE APPROVED, THAT THEY'RE ABLE -- THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE DISCUSSED IT AND APPROVED AND HAVE THAT IN THE MINUTES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THE TILE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE AND THE STUCCO THAT IS ON BOTH PART OF THE SOUTHERN AND THE EASTERN SIDE, WE ARE ALSO APPROVING THAT THEY REMOVE THAT AND DO RESTORATION WORK ON THE ORIGINAL BRICK.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? DOES SOMEONE WANT TO NAME, KIND OF GO THROUGH THE THINGS THAT WE APPROVED? JOSHUA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION?

>> BEFORE I MADE A MOTION, I WANTED TO JUST ASK, THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION IS NOT -- SO IF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION IN THE BACK OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE, THE POWERPOINT TYPE PRESENTATION, ALTHOUGH IT'S ATTACHED TO IT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. SO IF IT'S RECOGNIZED IN THAT POWERPOINT, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE APPLICATION.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE REMOVAL OF STUCCO AND TILE?

>> WAS IT ON THAT PART? >> IT MENTIONS IT.

>> OH, GOOD. OKAY.

WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS LIKE ON PAGE 1, ON THE STAFF REPORT. IT WAS NOT ON THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THAT IS THE PART THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE VOTE.

SO IF WE ADD IT TO IT, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.

>> OH, IT DOES HAVE -- LET'S SEE.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU JUST WANT IT TO BE EXPLICIT IN YOUR MOTION.

>> YOU DO HAVE IT IT. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER IF WE HAD KIND OF OUR SLIDES AND THINGS, LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THE PAPERS. BUT HEY, IT WILL BE ALL THERE NEXT TIME. THAT'S RIGHT.

IT SAYS EXTERIOR WALLS OR REPLACEMENT STUCCO TO ORIGINAL BRICK. OKAY.

>> SO THE MOTION WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT TO THAT, IT WOULD HAVE TO ADD TO IT THE ORIGINAL CRITERIA THAT IS SET FORTH IN

THE REQUEST? >> YOU MAY JUST WANT TO GO KIND OF LIKE A LINE ALMOST BY LINE OF SORT OF WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO

DO. >> LONG MOST.

>> NOT REALLY. I MEAN, THERE IS KIND OF THREE GROUPS OF WINDOWS WE'RE SAYING AND THEN JUST THE TILES AND STUCCO ALMOST. AND TWO OF THE WINDOW SETS ARE

GOING TO HAVE DOORS IN THEM. >> SOMETIMES IT HELPS TO FIND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION PORTION OF THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THEN I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE ADDITIONAL PART. PART OF THE PACKET ADDED IN TO

THE WORDING. >> PAGE 1, RIGHT HERE, STAFF REPORT. DO YOU SEE IT?

>> YES, MA'AM. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO IT.

ONLY FOR THE TIMELINE AND THAT IT FOLLOWS THE STANDARDS.

>> THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE, JOSH. IT GOES WAY DOWN.

>> YES. SO RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LAST PAGE. WE CAN MOVE TO -- LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE. TRYING TO SEE HOW I CAN SHORTEN THIS FOR YOUR TYPING PURPOSES. LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, CONSISTENT WITH THE 10 CRITERIA ASSESSED INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF STUCCO AND TILE ON THE EXTERIOR, AND ALL NEW ADDITIONS WOULD NOT DAMAGE ANY EXISTING HISTORIC MATERIALS UNDERNEATH.

>> I GUESS THE WINDOWS AS LAID OUT IN THE PROJECT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE >> NICE GUY APPROACH HELPED.

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>> AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?

>> SECOND TO ADJOURN

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