[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:11] . GOOD MORNING, CAN THIS IS THE CITY OF ABILENE HEARING. AND I WILL ASK MIX TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. >> WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AS WE LOOK AT DECISIONS AFFECTING OUR CITY. >> FIRST WE THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. WE ALWAYS ASK FOR MORE. >> WE DO PRAY THIS MORNING THAT WE WILL HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK CANDIDLY, BUT RESPECTFULLY TO EACH OTHER. WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO WORK SO TIRELESSLY FOR THE CITY. OUR 1 RESPONDERS, OUR STREET CREWS. OUR SOLID WASTE PARKS DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALS WHO SPEND THEIR DAYS MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITY CONTINUES TO RUN SMOOTHLY. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DO. WE AGAIN, PRAY FOR A GOOD DAY TODAY. WE PRAY FOR FOLKS HEADING BACK TO SCHOOL. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXCITING TIME OF YEAR FOR EVERYONE, AND WE PRAY BLESSINGS ON THAT. IN YOUR SON'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> JOIN IN THE PLEDGE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. . I PLEDGE APLEDGE YARNS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD. >> DO WE HAVE A VIDEO? [PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS] SHCHLT MY NAME IS WE WAS THE ROBINSON, I AM CELEBRATING TENT YEARS RETIREMENT WITH THE CRABS. CITY OF ABILENE. WE CALL OURSELVES THE HONEY DO CREW, WE OPERATE THE MICHAEL CRAINS, BULL DOSESERSES, HE IS CA LATORS, AND MOVE AND MAINTAIN THE PIPELINE, AND HELP THE NORTHEAST TREATMENT PLAN BEHIND ME HERE. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN OUTDOOR PERSON, BUT MY OLDER BROTHER RAN FLEET MAINTENANCE, AND RECOMMENDED THAT I COME AND APPLY TO THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE I ENDED UP IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND HE SAID IT WAS THE BEST DEPARTMENT, AND I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE CITY. IT IS A DIFFERENT CHALLENGE. >> WE WAKE UP ONE DAY, WE ARE PUTTING PAPER IN THE GROUND. THE NEXT DAY WE COULD BE OPERATING MICHAEL CRAIN HELPING ANOTHER DEPARTMENT RAISE OR LOWER A POLE. TODAY WE ARE CLEANING PITS FOR THE NORTHEAST TREATMENT PLANT SO WE CAN HELP THEM CLEAN THE WATER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. IT'S JUST AN AMAZING THING. EVERY DAY, THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WYATT, COME ON DOWN WYATT. YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE PICKLE IN THE MIDDLE. SO I KNOW WYATT BECAUSE HE NEVER VARNISHES HIS OPINION. THERE ARE TIMES, AND I TRY TO MEET WITH OUR STAFF EVERYBODY, AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, AND THERE'S A 1300 FOLKS, FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET THROUGH EVERYBODY. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE WYATT'S CANDOR, AND HIS DEDICATION TO THE JOB. >> WATER GUYS ARE A NIMBLE GR GROUP, BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT WORK VERY HARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY. >> AND THEY ARE UNSUNG HEROES IN EVERY SENSE. >> I VALUE YOU AND RESPECT YOU, AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DON FOR THIS COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. WYATT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF ABILENE, AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT 20 YEARS HOPEFULLY. I HAVE HERE A PLAQUE, AND AN ENVELOPE WITH SOME THANK YOUS IN IT, AND A COIN FROM THE CITY MANAGER. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> [APPLAUSE]. >>. >> DOES HE HAVE ANYBODY HERE WITH HIM? >> WYATT DOES HE HAVE ANYBODY [00:05:02] HERE WITH YOU. >> NO. >> STANLEY SMITH COULD YOU JOIN US? >>SURE. >> S YOU STANLEY SMITH HAS BEEN WITH US FOR 15 YEARS, THE LAST SEVEN OF WHICH HERE HAVE BEEN THE MOST ARDUOUS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I RESPECT AND VALUE ABOUT STANLEY, IS IN ADDITION TO BEING A COMPETENT COUNCSEL, HE PROVIDS CONCEPTS, AND HE PROVIDES A SOUNDING BOARD, AND RESOURCES THAT CALM AND MEASURED. HE IS REALLY THE BEST EXAMPLE OF A COUNSELOR, AND I VALUE YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FURTHER. >> SURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING TO YOU, ESTABLISHLY ON, YOUR 15 YEARS. I HAVE ALSO USED AS A REFERENCE, NOT A REFERENCE, BUT A SOUNDING BOARD IN A SENSE OF COMING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT LEGAL ISSUES BEFORE THE CITY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR. AND PROVIDING THOSE BRIGHT LINES SAYING, BECAUSE WE SAY WE WANT TO STAY IN THE LINES, AND NOT FLAUSHTHS. >> INTELLIGENT, AND SO KIND AND FULL OF COMPASSION, BUT YOU NEVER ANSWER OR GIVE ADVICE IN A CONDESCEND SOMETHING WAY. I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU WALK US THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND YOU ARE SO WILLING TO HELP US IN WHATEVER FACET THAT WE FEEL INADEQUATE IN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> AS I TOLD YOU THE OTHER DAY, I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE THERE, BECAUSE ROBERT DEFERS TO YOU, SO YOU CAN TELL ME NO. I DO APPRECIATE IT. >> SHANE KIND OF MENTIONED THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH COLORS, AND I LOVE ORANGE, BUT I AM GLAD THAT YOU HELP MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WEAR ORANGE, LIKING FROM HEAD TO TOE. ALSO, WHAT TRAVIS SAID, SOMETHING THAT MAKES ABSOLUTE PERFECT SENSE TO YOU MEANS NOTHING TO ME. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY NO, DON'T DO THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> STANLEY, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY IS THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US OUT OF JAIL. WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS CITY OF ABILENE. YOU MAKE ABILENE A BETTER PLACE. WE HAVE AN ENVELOPE FOR YOU, AND A COIN FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. >> APPRECIATE IT, MAN. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> WOULD EVERYBODY IN STANLEY'S OFFICE HOLD UP THEIR HAND? >> THAT'S THE TRUE TEAM RIGHT THERE. [LAUGHTER] HE >> HE'LL SPLIT WITH YOU THE COIN. >> I'D LIKE TO SEND A LETTER, THAT WHIMS CANNOT BE HERE TODAY, AND APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING HERE [CONSENT AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS] TODAY, BUT HE SENDS HIS BEST WELL WISHES, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA. >> IT CONSISTS OF AGENDA ITEMS, 3 THROUGH 16 THESE U TELLS US WILL BE CONSIDERED WITH ONE MOTION, AND NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS A DISCUSSION. DOES ANYONE ON THE ITEM WISH TO CONSIDER ONE INDIVIDUALLY. >> 13, PLEASE. . ANY OTHERS? >> WE ARE PULLING 12. >> EXCUSE ME? >> WE ARE PULLING NUMBER 12. >> OF WE ARE PULLING NUMBER 12 TODAY. [00:10:02] THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WILL BE NO VOTES OR NO FORMTAL ACTIONS TAKEN ON SUBJECTS PRESENTED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL ONLY ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT IDEAS AND INFORMATION TO THE CITY OFFICIALS AND STAFF OF, AND COUNCILMAN BEARD WILL TAKE CARE OF THE CARDS. WE HAVE A LARGE ROOM TODAY. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. THERE'S A THREE MINUTE LIMIT, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RESPECT THAT THREE MINUTE LIMITED TO SO THAT EVERYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAKING START NOW. >> HAD WE HAVE THESE CATEGORIZED IN TWO STACKS. IF YOU LISTED A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM. I HAVE 20, 24, AND 20 CERTAIN RIGHT NOW. WE WILL GET TO THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME ON THE AGENDA. >> THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN SPEAK. YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SPEAK IF YOU CHOOSE, BUT WE WILL HIT THOSE ITEMS WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THEM THEN. FIRST, I HAVE ROBERTO LAMBERT. >> I AM 67 YEARS OLD, AND I'VE BEEN HAPPILY MARRIED TO MY HUSBAND FOR 31 YEARS I AM A MOTHER, AND GRANDMOTHER. >> WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD I WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY A WOMAN WHO WAS TEN YEARS MY SENIOR. >> I ENTERED -- THIS WAS A VERY TRAUMATIC EVENT FOR ME. AND I WAS COMPLETELY CHANGED FOR 13 YEARS. I ENTERED INTO THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFE, AND BECAME A VERY WELL KNOWN, VERY POPULAR GAY RIGHTS LEADER IN LOS ANGELES WHERE ARE I LIVED AND WENT TO PA, SCHOOL. I WAS EVEN ON TELEVISION AS THE SHOW PIECE BECAUSE I WAS PRETTY AND FEMININE, AND THIS WAS PURPOSEFULLY TO DISPEL THE NOTION THAT ONLYMASCULINE WOMEN WERE WHAT WE CALL DYKES. I WAS AT THE ORGANIZED STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETINGS FORTY FIVE YEARS AGO, TO PURPOSELY CHANGE HOW THE GENERAL POPULATION, VIEWED THIS VERY DESTRUCTIVE LIFE. AT THESE MEETINGS WE STRATEGIZED EXACTLY HOW THIS MANIPULATION COULD BE DON, AND THIS STRATEGIC PLAN INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS YOU WILL KNOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL HAPPENED. NUMBER ONE, THE MAINLY, THE MOST LIE WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE WERE BORN THAT WAY. >> AND SO THEREFORE, BECAUSE WE ARE BORN HOMOSEXUAL, ACTING ON THIS BORN WAY WAS THE ONLY HEALTHY THING TO DO AND TRYING TO LIVE AS A HETEROSEXUAL WOULD BE HARMFUL TO HOMOSEXUALS OF THE THE NEXT COMPONENT, HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS NOT WRONG OR SINFUL BECAUSE IT IS NATURAL. WE WOULD PROMOTE THE FOLLOWING TERMINOLOGY TO PROMOTE AND ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL. CALLING THE HOMOSEXUAL POPULATION A COMMUNITY, HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS NOT WRONG, BECAUSE IT'S NATURAL. INFLATING THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENGAGING IN THIS BEHAVIOR, WE DECIDED THAT TEN PERCENT, SOUNDED LIKE ENOUGH TO GET THEIR ATTENTION. SO WE SAID THERE'S TEN PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. WE ALSO PROMOTED TRYING TO CHANGE THAT NATURAL HOMOSEXUALISM WOULD HARM THE PERSON, AND THEY SHOULD BE THEIR NATURAL SELVES, AND GETTING IT DON EARLY, SO GETTING THE NOTION TO DISCLOSE WOULD BE ESSENTIAL. ANY PERSON OR ORGANIZATION THAT DOES NOT PROMOTE THIS LIFE IS AFRAID OF THEIR OWN FEELINGS SO THEREFORE WE CALLED THEM HOMOPHOBIC. WE MADE THAT UP. WE KNEW THAT CHANGE IN COORGANIZATIONS WAS NECESSARY, AND ESPECIAL IN SCHOOLS, AND ANYTHING THAT STARTED EARLY TO PROMOTE THIS LIFE, AND THIS IS WHAT I CAME TO TELL YOU. WITH MY POSITION OF LEADERSHIP IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS, I HEARD OVER 100 OR MORE STORIES OF COMING OUT. AND THIS STORI, 90 PERCENT, 90 PERCENT OF THESE STORIES INVOLVED A SEXUAL ASSAULT BY EITHER AN OLDER HOMOSEXUAL OR SOMEBODY WHO HAD BEEN IN THAT LIFESTYLE. 90 PERCENT WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED JUST LIKE I WAS. >> MS. LAMBERT I NEED YOU TO WRAP IT UP PLEASE. >> I AM WRAPPING IT UP RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THE PROMOTION OF BORN THAT WAY WAS MADE UP AND 90 PERCENT OF THESE BORN THAT WAY. >> WRONG. [00:15:02] THAT IS WRONG. >> I AM GOING TO ASK FOR NO OUTBURST. NO OUTBURST, PLEASE. >> MS. LAMBERT. >> I NEED TO WIND THIS UP, PLEASE. >> AM I MANY WINDING UP RIGHT NOW. THE BORN THAT WAY, WHICH WAS THE THE STRATEGIC PLAN 45 YEARS AGO WORKED. THANK YOU. >> NEXT WILL BE REBECCA IS INDISCERNIBLE ]. >> ONE SECOND, NO MORE OUTBURSTS. THERE WILL BE BE NO MORE OUTBURSTS. THIS IS ABILENE TEXAS WE ARE GOING TO RESPECT EACH OTHER. WHEN YOU COME UP. COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR NAME AND YOU'RE ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, THANK YOU, COME UP. >> MAYOR PRO-TEM, HURT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IS IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS OR NOT, NOT SO MUCH YOU'RE ADDRESS. >> AT YOUR WILL, YES, MY NAME IS REBECCAGINNING RICH, I LIVE IN ABILENE I AM HERE TO OBJECT TO THE NEWLY PROPOSED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY POLICY WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE ABILENE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, DISREGARDING THE COMPLAINTS BY NUMEROUS ATTENDEES, THIS IS NOT AN UPDATE TO THE CURRENT CHILD PROTECTION POLICY WHICH CONSISTS OF THREE SENTENCES DISPLAYED ON THE NEW CURRENT WEB PAGE. >> IT IS A NEW TWO-PAGE POLICY, THAT REPLACES THE CHILD PROTECTION POLICY, AND SOMEPLACE PLACES THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY [00:20:43] . . >> >> >>. >>. >> >>. . [00:26:26] THE AND THE AMERICAN TEXAS LIBRARY ASSOCIATION, AND SO WITH THIS MINDSET, THAT IT A GOOD CRISIS SHOULD NEVER GO TO WASTE. THEY HAVE ALSO TAKEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLACE LEWD MATERIALS IN OUR LIBRARIES DURING COVID. AND ACROSS OUR STATE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. OTHER TEXAS AREAS, ARE FACING THE SAME SITUATION. THE GREAT NEWS, WE KNOW THAT THE ADVERSARY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND THE BATTLE IS ON. AND THE CONCERNED CITIZENS ARE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TALKED THROUGH THESE ISSUES WITH US, AND BEEN OFFERING ADVICE AND WISDOM ALONG THE WAY. WE TALKED TO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND JUST APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT. YOU ARE HELPING US TO BE CREATIVE AND TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU ON THAT SIDE OF THE MICROPHONE WHO ARE SERVING OUR CITY, GIVING OF YOUR TIME, BEING IN PLACES OF SERVICE. THAT INCLUDES THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT THE LIBRARY HAS, THAT INCLUDES THE LIBRARY STAFF, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVICE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO A FRUITFUL RELATIONSHIP FOR YEARS TO COME WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU MAKE ABILENE A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> FRANCISCO ROSROD TRY I LITTLE JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I CONSIDER MYSELF OF ABILENE, AND I OPPOSE THE PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY POLICY BECAUSE IT TRAMPLE S OVER THE SOULS OF OUR CHILDREN, AND WASHES THE HANDS OF THE CITY OF OF ANY LIABILITY. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IN THIS ROOM THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE US DO NOT KNOW WHO WE ARE FIGHTING. IT IS NOT A US VERSUS THEM. IT IS NOT EVEN AN LGBTQ, ISSUE, THESE ARE BOOKS THAT ARE COMING IN THE THOUSANDS THESE ARE BOOKS THAT MY CHILDREN ARE IN THE ROOM, I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD GO ME, I CAN'T EVEN CLEAR THEM OUT, BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE THE IMAGES THAT ARE IN THE BOOKS THAT ARE COMING. AND SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PREFIX, IT'S ABOUT THE SEXUAL LICENSES THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE ARE TRYING TO NORM LICENSE EVERYTHING. ADULT TO CHILD, ANIMAL TO CHILD. YOU ARE TRYING TO NORM LICENSE EVERYTHING, AND SO WE ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM NOT TO MAKE IT AN LGBTQ. IT IS NOT ABOUT ]. [00:30:13] PLEASE GIVE ME TWO WORKING CYCLES TO WORK WITH YOU, WHICH EKE WAS ABOUT A MONTH. THAT MONTH HAS COME AND GONE. BUT I KNOW OUR LAWYER IS GETTING AN AWARD, AND I WANT TO ADD TO THAT AWARD BECAUSE AS ASSIGNINGOLOGY BACKGROUND, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT NEVER MADE EYE CONTACT WITH US, BECAUSE HE KNEW THIS POLICY WAS BEING DRAFTED THAT WAS GOING TO SAY, I AM WASHING MY HANDS OF ANY RESPONSIBILITY. THERE WAS NO WORKING TOGETHER. SO I AM HERE AGAIN TO ASK PLEASE WORK WITH US, WE ARE WILLING TO JOIN ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING, BECAUSE LIKE KAREN SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD. SO SHELTER IN, BECAUSE THE STORM IS COMING. . >> [APPLAUSE]. >> >> HI, MY NAME IS THOMAS RODRIGUEZ, AND I AM HERE TO SAY THAT I AM AGAINST THE BAD BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE ONE OF MY LITTLE BROTHERS OR SISTERS CAN RANDOMLY JUST PICK ONE UP, AND START READING IT, AND SET A BAD EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF MY OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> BY THE WAY, I UP THE FIRST ABLINIAN, MY NAME IS GRACE SAY RODRIGUEZ, AND I AM HERE TO TAKE THE BAD BOOKS OUT OF THE LIBRARY BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT THEM TO GET THEM TO OTHER LITTLE KIDS, AND LIKE MY LITTLE COUSIN MILLIE, AND LIKE MY BABY COUSIN BELLA, IF SHE GOES TO THE LIBRARY BECAUSE SHE CAN EASILY PICK ONE OUT, AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, OR LOOK AT IT, AND NO ONE KNOWS IF SHE'S DOING IT BECAUSE THE KIDS CAN'T TELL IF IT'S DOING IT, SO THE KIDS DON'T. THE BABY LOOKS AT IT, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY HAVE TO CALL A PARENT OR IF THE SCUD KNOWS IT'S A BAD BOOK, AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE LIBRARY. >> YOU CAN'T DO THIS. >> YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE KIDS. >> SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> [APPLAUSE]. >>. >> JOHN PAUL. >>MY NAME IS JOHN PAUL RODRIGUEZ, AND I WANT TO GET THE BAD BOOKS OUT OF THE LIBRARY SO I CAN LIVE IN PEACE. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. LEVI RODRIGUEZ. >> HI, MY NAME IS LEVI RODRIGUEZ, AND I RUN OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, AND AS ONE OTHER SPEAKER HAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE BOOKS ARE OUT OF REACH FROM THE KIDS. IT'S NOT TRUE BECAUSE IF MY FIVE YEAR-OLD LITTLE SISTER CAN PULL ONE OUT AND READ IT, IT'S NOT OUT OF REACH FOR THEM AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THEM. SINCE THEIR MIND IS CURIOUS, AND THEY WANT TO LEARN. >> AND WONDER WHAT IS THIS BOOK, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. AND WHEN I WAS LITTLE AND WOULD GO THE LIBRARY WOULD READ ABOUT FIREMEN, ASTRONAUTS, AND NOW THERE'S BOOKS LIKE THESE, AND YOU SHE JUST WANTS TO READ ABOUT PRINCESSES OR WHATEVER. AND SHE'S CURIOUS, AND SHE LOVES TO LEARN, SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO FIND MORE BOOKS LIKE THESE, AND IT'S GOING TO POISON HER MIND BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF. AND PUTTING THESE BOOKS HERE IS FORCING OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION [00:35:01] ON OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS. IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO GO AND TELL OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS WHAT THEY NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THIS, THIS AND THAT. IT'S THE PARENT'S -- IT'S THEIR PARENT'S JOB TO KEEP THEIR KIDS SAFE, AND TEACH THEM WHEN THEY NEED TO LEARN, AND BELIEVE WHAT IS RIGHT IN THEIR EYES. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> THE NEXT ONE, I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME, BUT THE FIRST NAME, AND THEN P RAMON DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS OPPOSED TO THE BOOKS BE IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT MAY BE ACCESS BY CHILDREN THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED IMPORTANT OH, GRAPHIC. SERGEANT /* SERGEANT. I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. I MANY HERE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPOSING OUR CHILDREN TO SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIAL, IF A PARENT WANTS TO DO THAT, IN THE CONFINES OF AN AREA THAT'S NOT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT'S ON THEIR OWN. MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, I AM NOT HAPPY THAT MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE GOING TO THIS. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. WE OBTAINED A LIBRARY CARD RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED FOSTERING. IT IS MY JOB TO WALK THROUGH WITH THESE KIDS THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED TO, AND TRY TO WALK THROUGH HEALING WITH THEM. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT THAT I HAVE TO BE A HELICOPTER FOSTER MOM, BECAUSE I DO IT GRACIOUSLY AND I DO IT WITH LOVE IF THEY ARE AMAZING CHILDREN. THEY NEED LOVE TOO. I AM TRYING TO KEEP THEM FROM ADDITIONAL TRAUMA, AND THAT SHOULD IT'S BE IN OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY. THANK YOU >> [APPLAUSE]. >> THAT'S ALL THE CARDS THAT I HAVE THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO AN AGENDA ITEM. AGAIN, I HAVE CARDS ON 20, 24, AND 27, WE WILL GET TO THOSE WHEN THOSE COME UP ON THE AGENDA. >> WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SAMUALLY GARCIA, I AM DOING THIS EARLY BECAUSE I CAN'T BE HERE THIS MORNING. I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING TO THIS ISSUE, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THE THING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE APPROVAL OF GIVING THE PARENTS THE AUTHORITY OR THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR. THAT'S WHAT IS BEFORE YOU. I AM PROUD FATHER OF A GAY MAN THAT GREW UP IN GOING TO THE ABILENE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THESE STAFF THAT RUN THIS LIBRARY FOR YEARS, AND CURRENTLY ARE THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. I PERSONALLY WORK WITH THEM, WITH NONPROFIT EVENTS, ISSUES ALL THE TIME. DO WHATEVER I CAN, DONATE TO THEM WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY DO A GREAT JOB. AND THE REASON THAT I BRING UP MY SON IS BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND HAVE PEOPLE BARBING HIM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING BECAUSE HE IS WHO HE IS. HE IS A PROFESSIONAL BRILLIANT GENEROUS INDIVIDUAL, AND I AM NOT GOING TO -- HE IS A PRODUCT OF THE ABC 33/40 PUBLIC LIBRARY. SO I AM TALKING ABOUT EXPERIENCE. AND ALL YOU ARE DOING TODAY IS APPROVING WHAT I DID AND MY WIFE DID IN SUPERVISING HIM. THAT'S ALL YOU ARE APPROVING. AND IF YOU TAKE IT BEYOND THAT, YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB AS POLICY -- AS PEOPLE THAT APPROVE POLICIES. THE MAIN REASON THAT I AM HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE WHEN THE BOND ISSUE COMES UP, I WANT -- DO NOT WANT THE REC CENTERS DIED IN WITH THE TRAIL. >> THE WALKING TRAIL. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED I WILL TELL YOU WHY. WE HAVE TWO MONTHS BASICALLY TO DO A CAMPAIGN TO APPROVE THEM. THEY EACH NEED TO STAND ON THEIR OWN, AND THE REASON THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE REC CENTERS IS BECAUSE IF WE REDO THEM. I AM HOPING, AND I AM SURE THAT THEY ARE, I AM GOING TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY KNOW THE FED [00:42:16] HAVE OVERTURNED THEM. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SPENDING THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON ISSUES THAT DON'T MATTER. >> IT'S LIKE TAKING OUT TWO POLICIES ON YOUR CAR. THE FEDS, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOVERNMENT FROM HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW FEDS TRUMP STATE, AND STATE TRUMPS LOCAL. AND IF THE FEDS HAVE CHANGED ROE VERSUS WADE, THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SANCTUARY CITY. WELL WE'VE ALREADY AFFIRMED IT WHEN THE FEDS OVERTURNED IT. AND THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I AM GOING TO ASK THE CITY SECRETARY FOR PEOPLE OUT HERE IN TV LAND, THEY ARE WATCHING THIS, EITHER TODAY, OR SEVERAL MONTHS FROM TODAY. HOW MUCH EXACTLY ARE THE TAXPAYERS GOING TO PAY THE COUNTY TO RUN THIS ELECTION FOR SOMETHING THAT LIKE, THE OLD TIMERS WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T AMOUNT TOYA HILL OF BEANS, AND THE LAST THING ABOUT THE LIBRARY BOOKS, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING UP HERE, AND VOICING THEIR OPINIONS BUT REMEMBER THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED ON THE BILL OF RIGHTS, AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT. YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THAT OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL. . >> WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT AT THIS TIME, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> HI, MY NAME IS MYRIAM DAWSON, I AM A RESIDENTABILENE, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE EVENT ON LAST SATURDAY THE FAMILY FRIENDLY DRAG SHOW FEATURING EDUCATIONAL CONTENT THAT WAS SPONSORED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ABC 33/40 ARTS COMMISSION. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SPONSORED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR ANY CITY GOVERNMENT OF ANY KIND BECAUSE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY SEXUALIZED CONTENT THAT IN ANY CASE SHOULD NOT BE SPONSORED BY TAXPAYER MONEY, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT FEATURING MAKING THIS SOMETHING THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS CHILDREN IS ESPECIALLY INAPPROPRIATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED PERHAPS IT WAS A MISTAKE BUT IT DID HAPPEN. AND IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN A SECOND TIME. WE THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE WILL BE WATCHING. MY GENERATION IN PARTICULAR, WE GO OFF FOR COLLEGE, MAYBE WE SPEND A FEW YEARS OUTSIDE BUT WE ALL REMEMBER ABILENE AS SOMEWHERE THAT IS FAMILY FRIENDLY AND A SAFE PLACE TO RETURN AND HAVE KIDS. IF THIS CONTINUES, THERE WILL BE NOTHING DIFFERENT OR SPECIAL ABOUT ABILENE TO KEEP IT A FAMILY FRIENDLY PLACE. I MANY ABOUT TO GO OFF INTO CALIFORNIA, I AM GOING INTO THE LION DEN. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL IN MY COMMUNITY, TO RETURN TO. AND IF YOU CONTINUE SPONSORING EVENTS LIKE THIS THERE WILL BE [00:45:01] NO DIFFERENCE. I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE RECTIFIED WHATEVER HAPPENED HERE, AND I HOPE THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN HERE AGAIN. >> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> ROBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT. >> A FACTUAL RESPONSE TO THAT. CITY OF ABILENE DID NOT SPONSOR THAT EVENT. IT GIVES MONEY ANNUALLY TO HEARTS FOR THE ARTS, AND I CONFIRMED WITH LYNNE BURNETT, WHO IS CEO OF HEARTS FOR THE ARTS, THAT THEY USED PRIVATE FUNDS FOR THAT EVENT. THERE'S A WHOLE E-MAIL DISCUSSION WHERE LYNNE IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT TOOK PLACE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT HEARTS AND ARTS, RESPOND ORDER AN EVENT IN 2020, AND IT NEVER TOOK PLACE BECAUSE OF COVID. THIS WAS AN EVENT THAT WAS SIMILAR AND DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT THERE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH HEARTS FOR THE ARTS AND WHETHER THE GRANT FUNDS SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR EVENT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SAY CLEARLY THAT THE CITY OF ABILENE DID NOT SPONSOR THAT EVENT. THE ABC 33/40 COMMUNITY THEATER PUT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE GRANT REQUEST, FOR HEARTS FOR THE ARTS TO LIST THE CITY OF ANDREAE OF ABILENE A DONOR, BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM $50,000. I AM WORKING WITH ANNETTE OR LYNNE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT SOME CONSTRAINTS, AND SOME CLEAR LANGUAGE ON THE $50,000 THAT THE CITY OF OF ABILENE PROVIDES FOR HEARTS FOR ARTS. ARTS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, I HOPE EVERYONE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE CITY OF ABILENE SHOULD NOT BE PABTAKING IN THE CULTURAL ARTS ON THIS. WE ARE SWITZERLAND ON THIS. THAT'S MY LANGUAGE BY THE WAY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FOR FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENTS. >> AND UNLESS THERE'S ACTUAL PUBLIC DOLLARS INVOLVED. WE ARE NOT INVOLVED. THAT WILL SAVE A LOT OF CONFUSION FOR THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU, ROBERT. >>. >> STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS ERIC BINGS, AND I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF ABC 33/40, WHEN I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD, I LIVED IN VIETNAM. THE SCHOOL HE'S ATTENDED WAS RIGHT NEXT TO A MILITARY POLICE STATION. ONE MORNING ON DURING RECESS MY SCHOOL MATES AND I DISCOVERED DURING THE MORNING STRUCTURAL TIME. THE POLICE HAD COME AND BURIED A CLAYMORE MINE IN OUR PLAY AREA. NO ONE HAD ANY UNDERSTANDING OF DESTRUCTION, AND DEATH, AND PLAYED WITHIN THE KILLING AREA OF THAT MINE. WHAT ONCE HAD BEEN A SAFE PLACE TO PLAY AND HAVE FUN HAD BECOME AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS DEATH ZONE. THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN, AND NO ADVANCE NOTICE BY THOSE RESPONSIBLE, WE WERE PUT IN DIRECT HARM'S WAY. >> A I BELIEVE THAT OUR LIBRARY HAS BECOME A MINE FIELD. THOSE WHOM WE HAVE TRUSTED HAVE PUT OUR CHILDREN DIRECTLY IN HARM'S WAY. >> THERE ARE ONLINE MATERIALS, AND BOOKS IN OUR LIBRARY, SHELVES THAT HAVE A DIRECT POTENTIAL TO CAUSE LIFELONG DAMA DAMAGE TO OUR MOST PRECIOUS AND VALUABLE ASSETS OUR CHILDREN I AM HERE TODAY TO ALSO OBJECT TO THE NEWLY PROPOSED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY POLICY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE ABC 33/40 LIBRARY ADVISORY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 1, 2022. IN SPITE OF THE COMPLAINTS BY NUMEROUS CONCERNED CITIZENS THAT ATTENDED THAT MEETING. IT IS A NEW-TWO PAGE POLICY WHICH RELAPLACES THE CHILD PROTECTION POLICY, AND PLACES THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY UPON THE PARENT AND/OR GUARDIAN OF A MINOR, WHAT THEY OBSERVE, AND WHAT THEY VIEW IN THE LIBRARY. >> THAT OUR LIBRARY WOULD PUT ALL RESPONSIBILITY ON PARENTS TO KNOW THE LOCATION OF ALL OF THE LAND MINE BOOKS WITHIN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SHELF BOOKS, INSTEAD OF KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BY PLACING THOSE BOOKS IN A SECTION, SO WE AS PARENT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHIELD OUR CHILDREN FROM THOSE THINGS ONCE SEEN CAN GO NOT BE UNSEEN. I AM NOT ADVOCATING OR REQUESTING A BOOK BAN. I AM AGAINST THE SEXUALILIZATION, ANY]. >> I I AM HERE FOR THE CHILDREN. [00:50:21] THE THING THAT I ASK IS THERE IS A LEGAL DEFINITION FOR PORNOGRAPHY. I ASK THAT THAT BE COMPARED TO WHAT'S IN THESE BOOKS. AND THERE ARE -- I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LAWS THAT PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AT A CERTAIN PAGE GROUP FROM PORNOGRAPHY, AND I ASK THAT THAT BE LOOKED AT. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> MY NAME IS CARLOS QUINONES, CAN I LIVE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THE JUST COMPELLED TO SAY SOMETHING TODAY, AND I AM A BUSINESS COACH AND ENTREPRENEUR HERE LOCALLY. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR WE LOOK DOWN THE LINE IN INCREMENTS OF 30, I'M A TONY ROBBINS BUSINESS MASTERY COACH, AND A JOHN MAXWELL CERTIFIED TRAINER SPEAKER AND COACH. I WAS TAUGHT TO LOOK DOWN THE LINE. SO YOU FORECAST THINGS IN BUSINESS AND SOCIETY. IN LEADERSHIP, YOU ANTICIPATE THINGS AND I WAS TAUGHT TO LOOK AT THEM IN SEASONS. THE SEASONS ARE INEVITABLE NOBODY CAN CHANGE THOSE. SO AFTER THIS HOT SUMMER, WE LOOK FORWARD TO A COOL FALL. AMEN EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY SAY AMEN. [LAUGHTER]. >> AS A BUSINESS COACH WE LOOK DOWN THE LINE, AND I CAN'T HELP TO LOOK DOWN THE LINE. I WONDER IF TO GO BACK IN TIME IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME WHEN PEOPLE IN POSITIONS SUCH AS YOURS, HAD CITIZENS THAT SAID THIS COULD BE COME DOWN THE LINE, SO PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR IT. KNOWING THE TIMES, WHERE THEY ARE HEADED WHERE THEY COME FROM, AND WHERE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE GOING, AND SO I SAY THIS WITH HESITATION, BECAUSE IT'S THAT DEEP TO ME THAT CALF IS IN JUNE. DOES EVERYBODY KNOW THAT. CALF IS IN JUNE, AND PRIDE MONTH IS IN JUNE AS WELL. CAN BE LOOK DOWN TO A MONTH WHEN GAY PRIDE IS DISPLAYED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT LIFESTYLE. IT'S JUST ABOUT THE CHILDREN, AND DURING CALF MONTH, AND WE ARE TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING OUT BEFORE, AND THEY ARE MARCHING IN JUNE, THIS IS CHILDREN'S MONTH, AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE IF YOU GIVE THEM AN INCH, AND THEY TAKE A MILE. HERE WE ARE TODAY WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO AFFECT THE FUTURE IN THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE THE PAST WERE TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS ABOUT TODAY. AND TODAY IS HERE. AND I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT WITH SO MUCH RESPECT, AND HONOR FOR YOU GUYS, TOTAL, TOTAL ADMIRATION OF THE POSITIONS THAT YOU GUYS HOLD, AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU DO. WHAT A PHENOMENAL JOB. I THANK EACH OF YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> WILLING >> MY NAME IS CARRIE, WILLIAMS, AND I LIVE IN BUFFALO GAP, AND MY CHILDREN DO OFTEN VISIT THE ABILENE PUBLIC LIBRARY I. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EDUCATION AND INSTRUCTION. EDUCATION IS LEARNING VALUE PRINCIPLE RESPECT AND VALUE FOR YOURSELF AND OTHERS. AND THESE COMPONENTS, THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL FOR, THEY COME WITH MATURITY, AND THEY COME WITH MORALS, AND ETHICS THAT ARE INSTILL IN YOU AS A CHILD AND IN YOUR HOME. INSTRUCTION IS A DIFFERENT OPTION. YOU HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL TO ACTUALLY ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE BUT WITH INSTRUCTION YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR MIND UPDATED PERIODICALLY ACCORDING TO WHAT YOUR INSTRUCTIONS IS BASED ON OR IN GENERAL SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH SOCIETY. EDUCATION AND INSTRUCTION, THESE ARE TWO WORDS THAT ARE GENERALLY USED BY THE COMMON MAN WITH AN IDENTICAL MEANING, BUT IN THE REAL SENSE, EDUCATION AND INSTRUCTION DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER. EDUCATION MUST INCLUDE TEACHING STUDENTS MORAL VALUES. BUT INSTRUCTION IS PRIMARILY ONE DIRECTION ALAN FROM AN INSTRUCTOR POINT OF VIEW. THE FIELD OF EDUCATION IS THE FULL DEVELOPMENT OF AN INNATE POWERS OF A CHILD. IT DEVELOPS THE CHILD PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY AND SOCIALLY, AND IT IS WIDER THAN THAT OF INSTRUCTION, IN EDUCATION, THE CHILD IS THE CENTRAL FOCUS, AND OF PRIME IMPORTANCE. EDUCATION PAYS FULL ATTENTION TO THE INTEREST, INCLINATIONS AND ABILITIES OF A CHILD, AND NOTHING IS FORCED INTO THEIR MIND. >> EDUCATION WITH WHAT IT IS, PREPARES A CHILD FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE. [00:55:03] THE EDUCATION ALL LEARNING IS SELF LEARNING, AND IT SHOULD BE STABLE AND PERMANENT, AND CAN BE APPLIED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS OF THE FUTURE LIFE. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INSTRUCTION. INSTRUCTION IS WHEN YOU ARE TEACHING SOMEONE HOW TO DO A PARTICULAR THING LIKE TEACHING MEDICINE OR CAR ENTRY. INSTRUCTION IS TELLING HOW YOU DO SOMETHING, OR HOW SOMETHING IS DON. IT'S SIMPLY GIVING DIRECTION, AND INSTRUCTING SOMEONE ON WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT. YOU ARE TOLD WHAT TO DO AND WHAT STEPS YOU NEED TO NOLAN A LOT OF THAT IS IN THE BOOK THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT, AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S AN INSTRUCTIONTAL BOOK. FIELD, INSTRUCTION, MEANS FOCUSING INTO THE MIND -- INSTRUCTION MEANS FORCING INTO THE MIND OF A CHILD PREDETERMINED DOSES OF KNOWLEDGE, IN A PREPLANNED WAY TO ACHIEVE MENTAL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A ONE-SIDED DEVELOP. AND THAT OF MEMORY. ITS FIELD IS NARROW IN COMPARISON WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION. >> WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INSTRUCTION, THE TEACHER IS SENTRAL, AND THE CHILD IS SECONDARY. INSTRUCTION NEGLECTS THE INTERESTS, INCLINATIONS AND CAPACITY OF THE CHILD AND THE READY MADE DOSES OF KNOWLEDGE ARE FORCED INTO THEIR MINDS. INSTRUCTION PREPARES A CHILD TO PASS AN EXAMINATION. FOR INSTANCE, EXPLORING OUR BODIES IN A SEXUAL MANNER IS EXAMINING OURSELVES. AND INSTRUCTION CRAMMING IS WHAT IS ENCOURAGED AND CANNOT BE APPLIED TO MEET THE CHALLENGES OF LIE SUCCESSFULLY. I AM OPPOSED TO THE PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY POLICY IN THE FACT THAT IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE CHILDREN, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON OTHERS TO HELPFUL FILL THE ROLES WITHOUT HARMING OUR CHILDREN'S MINDS. AND OUR EYES ARE THE OPENING TO THE SOUL, AND WHAT WE PUT BEFORE OUR EYES, AND CHILDREN'S EYES, END UP IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE. AND EVEN THE MOVIE THEATERS HAVE A SYSTEM TO ATTEMPT TO SAFE GUARD OUR CHILDREN IT IS NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM, AT LEAST SOMETHING, SO WHY DOESN'T THE LIBRARY HAVE THIS. THANK YOU. . >> [APPLAUSE]. >> HAD YOU. >> MY NAME IS RYAN GOODWIN, AND I DO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF POINT OUT THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THE ELECTION. JUST I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WAS -- THIS IS EXCITING TO SEE FOR ME, BECAUSE I WENT TO SEVERAL DOORS, CARRIED THE PETITION, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> GOT YOU ALL TO VOTE ON IT. I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THIS MORNING, IT ALLOWS US ABILENIANS, AND THERE WAS A TON OF SIGNATURES ON THERE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THAT OUR VOICE WAS HEARD, AND THE PROCESS IS BEING DON. I AM HERE FOR THE LIBRARY, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LIBRARY, I THINK -- I DO THINK ABOUT THE LET'S TALK ABOUT IT BOOK, I KNOW THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. AND BY THE WAY, WE BLURRED OUT THE PICTURES AT THE LIBRARY ADVISORY MEETINGS, AND MUTED THE VOLUME, AND BE I TAKE IT THAT THE CITY THINKS IT IS NOT A GREAT BOOK EITHER. AND WHEN I SEE THE IDEA OF CARTOONS IN GENERAL, I SEE A CHILD EATING FRUIT LOOPS IN FRONT THE TV ON SATURDAY MORNING, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THESE BOOKS ARE GEARED. THESE ARE CARTOONS, HOW MANY OF THESE ADULTS WATCHING CARTOONS, AND I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL ON WHAT'S BEING PUT IN THE LIBRARY AND WHERE IT'S GEARED FOR. SO WHEN THESE COME FORWARD. THESE ARE STRATEGIES BEING PUSHED FORWARD TO PUSH AGENDAS ON OUR KIDS THAT WE ARE NOT WANTING. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ACCIDENT KNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE A VOICE, AND THERE'S A HUGE VOICE MISSING HERE TODAY. WE HAVE A LOT OF HOME SCHOOL PARENTS, HOME SCHOOL MOMS WITH THE HUSBAND WORKING, 4 OR 5 KIDS, AND THEY ARE WATCHING THEM RIGHT NOW SO THEY CAN'T BE HERE. BUT THAT'S A HUGE PORTION OF YOUR LIBRARY, AND THAT'S A HUGE PORTION THAT LEFT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED OF STUFF BEING PUSHED OF PUSHED ON THEIR KIDS, AND THEN WANTED MORE CONTROL ON WHAT THEIR KIDS WERE BEING TAUGHT. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T PROVIDE A BABY SITTING ROOM. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THESE PARENTS TO BE HERE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE. SO NEXT WEEK, THIS ISN'T EVEN AN AGENDA ITEM.]. WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT THIS IN [01:00:19] HERE. >> [APPLAUSE]. GOOD MORNING, I AM I DO LIVE IN ABILENE. IN ABILENE TEXAS THERE ARE 171 CHURCHES. THAT MEANS THEM MAJORITY OF ABC 33/40 PROCLAIMS TO BE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE. IN THE BIBLE IT TALKS AGAINST PORNOGRAPHIC STUFF. IT TALKS AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY. AND NEARLY EVERYBODY HAS GOT A BIBLE AT THEIR HOMES. NEARLY ALL PARENTS WILL BLOCK ANYTHING IMPORTANT ON THEIR COMPUTETORIES KEEP THEIR CHILDREN OFF OF IT. WHY DOES THE PUBLIC LIBRARY HAVE THIS STUFF? IF IT'S OKAY FOR THE LIBRARY, THEN WHY ISN'T IT OKAY FOR THE HOME? HOW COME THERE'S A LAW THAT SAYS CHILDREN UNDER A CERTAIN AGE CAN'T GO TO AN IMPORTANT STORE, AND CHECK STUFF OUT THERE. AND IF THE PUBLIC LIBRARY CAN HAVE IT, WHY CAN'T THEY GO IN THESE OTHER STORES? THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> IT'S BRAIN WASH CAN THE CHILDREN, AND WHEN THEY GET TO BE 21 YEARS OLD THEY CAN MAKE UP THEIR MIND WHAT KIND OF LIFESTYLE THEY WANT TO LIVE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE WHO LIVES A HOME OH, SEXUAL LIFESTYLE OR WHATEVER. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. IF THEY ARE ABOVE THE AGE OF 21 YEARS OLD. BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S RIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC LIBRARY TO OFFER MATERIAL THAT WILL GENERAL FLEWENCE OUR CHILDREN AT AN EARLY AGE, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, YEARS OLD, IN THAT CATEGORY. EVERY LIBRARY HAS GOT BIBLES IN IT. I GUARANTEE YOU NOT VERY OFTEN ARE BIBLES CHECKED OUT IN THE LIBRARY. BUT THAT BOOK WILL BE. IF THAT BOOK IS CHECKED OUT, WHY CAN'T THE BIBLES BE CHECKED OUT. EVERYBODY SAYS THAT THEY'VE GOT THEM AT HOME. WHY CAN'T -- IF A PARENT WANTS A CHILD TO LOOK AT THAT STUFF, WHY CAN'T THEY BUY THE BOOK OFF OF AMAZON OR WHATEVER, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT IN THE LIBRARIES FOR PEOPLE'S GRANDCHILDREN, AND PEOPLE'S CHILDREN TO GO IN THERE AND BE SEE IT IN A PUBLIC LIBRARY. >> I DON'T CARE IF SOMEBODY'S GRANDCHILDREN IS SITTING THERE IN THE LIBRARY LOOKING AT IT. BUT I DON'T WANT MY FRIEND'S KID TO GO INTO THE LIBRARY WALKING PAST A TABLE, AND THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THERE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF. IT'S TRASH, AND THE BACKER SEEN WAS NOT CARTOONS. IT WAS VERY ILLUSTRATED. AND WE GOT THREE MAJOR CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITIES HERE. ABILENE HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR THAT. >> I WORKED IN SINGAPORE, BACK IN THE EARLY 80S. THEY KNEW ABOUT ACU, AND HARDIN SIMMONS AND MCMURRAY, IN SINGAPORE. I NEVER HEARD OF SINGAPORE UNTIL I GOT A PLANE TICKET TO GO OVER THERE. >> BUT THEY KNEW ABOUT THESE THREE UNIVERSITIES. THEY DIDN'T EVEN NOWHERE ABILENE WAS, BUT THEY NEW ABOUT HARDIN, SIMMONS, MAC MURRAY, AND ACU, BECAUSE OF OF THE REPUTATION THAT THEY HAVE. >> CAN YOU FINISH MR. JACKSON, YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP. >> YES, I'M THROUGH. >> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. Z >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? >> JAMES SERGEANT. ABC 33/40. I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE GETTING SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNUNBORN IN ABILENE >>. >> I DO OPPOSED OH, OWES THIS PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE LIBRARY, THEY ARE INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED, HOW COME THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOBS, AND ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MATERIALS IN [01:05:01] THEIR POSSESSION. IF I GO TO A RESTAURANT, AND GET FOOD POISONING THAT'S NOT MY FAULT. BAD MEAT IS COOKED IMPROPERLY. IF MY KID GO TO VENTURE COVE WHY ARE THEIR LIFEGUARDS THERE. >> WHAT IF WE TOOK THE RESPONSIBILITY AWAY FROM THEM. THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> AS A FOSTER PARENT. >> I'VE CALLED TWO FOSTER AGENCIES WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I EXPOSED MY FOSTER CHILDREN TO PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL. I TELL YOU WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? THERE WOULD BE A COMPLAINT WITH FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES. THERE WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION FROM CPS, AND THE CHILD WOULD BE REMOVED FROM MY HOME. >>, IF I EXPOSE THEM TO PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL. IT'S NOT SPECIFYING ANY PRONOUNS, GENDER OR ANYTHING, JUST PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL. PUTTING MY FAMILY AT RISK. FOR WHAT? FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS TO BE WASTED? THAT INFEWERURIATES ME. >> IF YOU STAND BY IT. GO TO THE PUBLIC PARK, AND READ IT TO KIDS, AND THE POLICE WILL BE CALLED. >> AND IT'S HAPPENING IN THE LIBRARY SYSTEMS. I'VE GOT A FIVE YEAR-OLD, SHE HAS SO MUCH ENERGY, I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH HER ALL THE TIME. IF I CAN FIND A NICE PLACE WHERE SHE CAN SIT, AND GRAB A BOOK, AND READ IT, AND I WILL READ IT TO HER. I CAN'T TRUST OUR LIBRARY SYSTEMS WITH THE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE BEING OPERATED WITH THIS MATERIAL IN HERE. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEIR LIBRARIANS TO DO THEIR JOB WITH RESPECT, WITH HONOR, AND ALLOWING THIS MATERIAL WILL IN THERE IS NOT HONOR. >> SO "DO OPPOSE, THE PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY REPLACING THE CHILD SAFETY POLICY." THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO -- >> MY NAME IS ALICE BROWN. I LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND I AM JUST -- THAT PROPOSED POLICY THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO VOTE ON. IT SAYS THAT NOTHING ABOUT THE LEGAL LIMITS OF PORNOGRAPHY THAT FRANCIS CA LISTED ALL OF THEM IN ONE OF THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE TOCA ONE OF THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU WRITE INTO THAT POLICY THAT WE AS A CITY COUNCIL WILL ABIDE BY ALL OF THE LEGAL LIMITATIONS OF PORNOGRAPHY. THANK YOU FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR THE WHOLE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> HOLE MY NAME IS OLD AND I HAVE LIVED IN ABILENE MY WHOLE LIFE. I LOVE ABILENE, IT'S MY HOME. IF I HAD TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY I WISH I WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT HOW MY LIBRARY CARD KEEPS EXPIRING OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE BOOK THAT I WANT. NO, I HAVE TO COME HERE AND TELL YOU THAT NO, IT IS NOT SAFE TO HAVE PORNOGRAPHIC BOOKS IN OUR LIBRARIES. I AT 14 YEARS OLD HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE YEAR OLDS COME UP AND TELL YOU THIS IS NOT OKAY. THESE ARE CHILDREN, THESE ARE OUR SIBLINGS, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND THEY NEED TO BE SAFE. THEY NEED TO BE THE FIRST ONES THAT ARE SAFE, AND THEY NEED TO BE IN OUR MINDS WHENEVER WE ARE MAKING ANY DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR FUTURE GENERATION, AND WE NEED THEM TO GROW UP WITH MORALS, AND ETHICS, AND THEY NEED TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHEN THEY ARE ADULT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT THEY NEED TO GROW UP READING ABOUT ASTRONAUTS, AND DINOSAURS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN OUR LIBRARIES. >> THANK YOU. >> [01:10:06] GOING TO BE AT THE LIBRARY AND THE PLAN WAS TO DO READING, AND I HELPED MY MOM TO TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SAY SORRY TO ANYBODY THAXTON FELT ATTACKED OR UNCOMFORTABLE, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF ANYBODY HERE. >> WILL I JUST THINK WE SHOULD TREAT EACH OTHER WITH LOVE AND RESPECT. AND THAT'S ALL I CAME UP HERE TO SAY, SORRY. THANK YOU. >> WILL [APPLAUSE]. . >> MY NAME IS HUGH ADAMS, AND I LIVE HERE IN THE CITY LIMITS. I'VE LISTENED TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SPEAK HERE FROM EACH SIDE OF THE AISLE ON THIS. EVEN ONE OF THEM WHO BROUGHT UP THE PAST, THE PRESENT, THE FUTURE AND HOW THINGS GO. IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. IF YOU WANT THIS STUFF IN YOUR TECHNOLOGY, AND THERE'S THINGS IN THERE, THAT ARE OLD THAT EASILY FIX THIS, LIKE ME. IF YOU REMEMBER THE OLD MOVIE RENTAL PLACES. >> THEY HAD MOVIES EVERYWHERE THAT YOU COULD WATCH, BOOKS TO GET, IT'S REAL SIMPLE. THERE'S THAT ROOM OVER THERE WITH A DOOR ON IT. IT SAYS 18. HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT IN THE LIBRARY. PUT A DOOR. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. MY SON WOULD LIKING THAT TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AS WELL. SO IN SHORT, MY FAMILY HOME SCHOOLS, AND THE LIBRARY IS THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF NOT ONLINE ACCESS TO MATERIALS. POLICE IT. PUT IT IN CATEGORIES. MEANING, THAT'S WHAT THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM IS FOR. ALIGN IT FOR ACCESS. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> HI, MY NAME IS DANIELLE ADAMS, AND THAT WAS MY DAD. I LIVE INSIDE THE ABC 33/40 CITY LIMITS. I WAS JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ALL OF THESE BAD THINGS IN OUR LIBRARIES, INSTEAD OF GOOD THINGS. WE SHOULD HAVE LIKE GOOD BOOKS, BUT WE ALWAYS END UP EVERYTHING BAD THINGS. NOTHING EVER COMES GOOD OUT OF THIS. WE ALWAYS JUST FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE WANT IT, AND WE NEVER FOCUS ON HOW WE SHOULD FOCUS ON OTHER PEOPLE AND TO JUST HELP THEM GO THROUGH STRUGGLES AND HELP THE HOMELESS AND JUST PUT GOOD, BASICALLY WE NEED TO PUT BETTER BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY SYSTEM. AND NOT THE BAD BOOKS. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. >> [APPLAUSE]. >>. MY NAME IS DORIS ], AND I LIVE IN TAX INCREMENT BOARD. CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE, AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ADULTS THAT WERE KIDS, MAYBE THEY WERE SHOWN IMPORTANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RAPING, LITTLE KIDS. OKAY, AND WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS IF I MADE A PAN OF BROWNIES, AND I PUT A LITTLE BIT OF DOG POOP IN IT, AND I OFFERED IT TO YOU, WOULD YOU EAT IT? EVEN THOUGH IT JUST HAS A LITTLE BIT IN IT? YOU GOT TO THINK OF IT THAT WAY. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND IT GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER, AND WE'VE GOT TO WATCH WHAT WE ARE FEEDING OUR KIDS. THAT'S IT. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> MY NAME IS JASON HERNANDEZ MARSHALL, AND I LIVE HERE IN TABS, MY ZIP CODE IS 79603. I WANT TO MENTION THIS TO PARENTS REAL QUICK. IF YOU DO NEED TO COVER YOUR EARS UP HERE, I WILL BE READING THESE CONTENTS HERE, ALL RIGHT. THIS WILL BE FROM THE BIBLE. [01:15:06] >> OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT CHURCHES DO NOT REQUIRE A PARENT RESPONSIBILITY POLICY. >> AND OF COURSE, WE DID GO THROUGH A PARENT POLICY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND THAXTON WHAT WE HAVE SET BEFORE YOU. NO ONE WHOSE TESTICLES HAVE BEEN CRUSHED, OR TEST KELS HAVE BEEN CUT OFF MAY BE ADMIT INTO THE COMMUNITY OF THE LORD, DEUTERONOMY, AND SHE INCREASED HER PROSTITUTION, WHEN SHE ENGAGED IN THE LAND OF EGYPT, AND SHE LUSTED AFTER THEIR GENTILES, AS LARGE AS DONKEYS, AND THEIR SEMINAL EMISSIONS WERE AS STRONG AS STALLIONS, EZECHIEL 23. HOW CRAZY WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO WALK INTO CHURCHES, AND REMOVE CERTAIN VERSES BECAUSE THESE BOOKS IN THE BIBLE OR VERSES HAVE SEXUAL CONTENT OF NOT MY LIKING. AND YET WE THEY ARE THERE. WE WATCH INTO THE CHURCH, THEY ARE IN OUR PEWS, AND OUR CHILDREN HAVE ACCESS TO THEM, AND THEY CAN SIMPLY OPEN THOSE BOOKS, AND READ THOSE VERSES. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE TRYING TO WORKING TOGETHER. THERE'S A GROUP OF PARENTS THAT WANT ME BOOKS IN A CERTAIN SECTION, OR YOU WANT IT NOT TO BE REMOVED, BUT TO BE CATEGORIZED DIFFERENTLY, AND THAT IS OKAY. I DO AGREE WITH THAT. NOW, THIS ONE BOOK THAXTON BEEN CAUSING SUCH A RUNNINGINOUS THIS CITY, NOT WITH ONLY MYSELF, BUT MANY OTHERS THAT ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO BE JUDGED OR RIDICULED BUT THERE IS ONE FACT. HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN CHECKED OUT, WHERE IS THIS BOOK CATEGORIZED ONCE IT WILL BE CHECKED BACK IN? IT IS ALREADY CATEGORIZED ADULT NONFICTION U AND ONCE IT IS CHECKED BACK IN, IT WILL BE PUT INTO THE CATEGORY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. I AM SORRY IF THIS WAS A BOOK THAT A FAMILY OR A CHILD HAD FOUND. MISPLACED, I AM NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE TRUTH OR NOT. BUT AGAIN, IF THIS BOOK IS CHECKED BACK IN, IT WILL BE CATEGORIZED CORRECTLY. OF COURSE, THIS BOOK IS JUST NOT AS EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE MANY BOOKS THAT ARE ADULT CONTENT THAT ARE CATEGORIZED IN THE LIBRARY. WHERE IN THE LIBRARY IS THE CHILDREN'S SECTION, AND WHERE IS THE ADULT SECTION? HOW MANY BRANCHES DO WE HAVE HERE? SAW BEEN TO THE DOWNTOWN LIBRARY, DO YOU ALREADY NOWHERE THE CHILDREN'S SECTION IS, AND WHERE DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ADULT SECTION, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO COMING TO AND FIGURE THIS OUT, RIGHT. THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A RIGHT ANSWER FOR THIS AS WE HAVE PARENTS WHO ARE UPSET, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KEEP A BOOK THAT WILL LEAD TO MANY OTHER THINGS TO COME. NOT JUST THIS ONE BOOK, BUT MORE WILL BE REPRIMANDED. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> >> THAT WAS GOOD JACEION. I PLUME IS PATRICK BATTEN, I LIVE AT 1134, PARK AVENUE, ANN AND I'VE HAD NEWSCASTERS COME TO MY HOUSE, AND I'VE BEEN CALLED A NAZI, AND IS MY MIC STILL ON CAN GO YOU HEAR ME BECAUSE AT THE LAST LIBRARY ADVISOR BOARD MEETING ON AUGUST 1ST, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AT THE EIGHT MINUTE AND 30 SECOND MARK. VOLUME GOES DOWN. WHY IS THAT? TODAY I'M MIC. I HAVE A FRIEND, SO I KNOW THAT I AM HEARD TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT AS WELL. >> I HOPE THAT I AM HEARD, EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT AN ADMINISTRATING, MIDDLE AGED HEATHER SEXUAL SLIGHTLY OVERWEIGHT CALK CAUTIOUS JANUARY, BECAUSE THE LADY WITH BEFORE ME THAT WAS A SELF PROCLAIMED LESBIAN. >> WHO SAID IT WAS NORMAL FOR A SIX WHY BOY TO BE ABUSED BY THEIR UNCLE AND IT WAS NORMAL AND ACCEPTABLE AND IT'S NOT. >> MR. HERNANDEZ READ FROM THE BIBLE, WHICH IS FINERECOLLECTIO. >> THEY ARE NOT PUSHING AN [01:20:16] AGENDA, AND YOU KNOW THAT IT WASN'T PLACED THERE. THAT'S ME BELIEVING MY KID WHEN THEY HAVE CHOCOLATE CAKE ALL OVER THEIR HANDS, AND FACE, AND CLOTHES AND GO NONADMINISTRATING PARENT. >> I DIDN'T EAT THE CHOCOLATE CAKE. >> HOW MANY LIBRARIANS DO WE HAVE A QUARTER MILLION BOOKS IN OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM? AND YOU KNOW EVERYONE OF THEM. IF YOU KNOW EVERYONE OF THEM MR. HANNAH, THEN WHY WAS THIS BOOK PUT THERE, AND YOU SAY IT'S NOT ON AN END CAP. Y'ALL WERE IN A MEETING AT THE SOUTH LIBRARY WHEN I WALKED OUT OF THE RESTROOM BECAUSE I WAS HURT AND MY DAUGHTER IN LAW GRABBED ME TO HELP ME, AND SHE WALKED AND SAW IT ACROSS THE AISLE. >> IT WAS ON JUNE 9TH, AT 1057. GO PULL THE CAMERA, GO PULL THE VIDEO AND SEE IF IT'S THERE. THERE'S NO AGENDA, AND YET AT THE TLA, ANNUAL CONFERENCE, APRIL 25TH, THROUGH THE 28 AT FT. WORTH. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. TAXPAYER HOLDING OUR CITY COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE THANK YOU WE SPENT $1,500 FOR OUR LIBRARIAN TO GO TO A MEETING. $1,500. AND I AM NOT BELIEVING THAT THE ANGELS, IN AMERICA WAS AN ACCIDENT. >> WE SPENT 50000TH SUPPORTING CAUSE, AND THEN THEY ACCIDENTALLY HAPPENED I AM TIRED OF THE ACCIDENTS. I AM TIRED OF THE ACCIDENTS, AND THERE'S BOTH DEACONS AND ELDERS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH SITTING ON THE CITY COUNCIL WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING, YOU ARE A VOTED OFFICIAL, DO YOUR JOB. AND I AM SORRY OUT OF TIME, AND I CAN'T READ RIGHT NOW, HOW TO STICK YOUR FINGER UP YOUR BUTT. GOOD LUCK. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> MAYOR PRO-TEM, HURT, I AM GOING TO ADDRESS THAT I GUYS THAT THE BOOK WAS ON THE END CAP. AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT IT WAS, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU FOUND IT ON THE END CAP. WHAT I AM SAYING IS A THAT LIBRARIANS DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE END CAP. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT THERE. LET'S SAY THAT IT IS CLEAR. I AM NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY OF ANYTHING, I >> NOT A DOING IN A MACHINE, I AM TRYING TO DO MY JOB FAIRLY AND EQUITABLY TO ALL CONCERNED. MY NAME IS ANTONIO OF ABILENE, AND I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED AS A COG IN THE MACHINE, AS A FORMER SOLDIER IN THE UNITED STATES AIRFORCE, WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL, TWO WEEKS LATER, I WAS ALREADY IN BASIC. I DID NOT GO OVER THERE, AND PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE SO THAT MY KIDS CAN BE READING THINGS LIKE THIS OUT OF A PUBLIC LIBRARY. AWARE THIS FLAG ON MY SHOULDERS PROUDLY. YOU HAVE YOUR FLAG BEHIND YOU. YOU SHOULD TURNAROUND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, AND LOOK AT IT, AND REMEMBER WHY YOU ARE UP HERE. WE ALL LOOK TO YOU TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, ALL RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS LOOKING TO YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION. WE ARE ALL HERE ASKING FOR HELP. >> AND IT JUST -- I AM UPSET. I WILL KEEP WEARING THIS FLAG ON MY SHOULDERS BECAUSE I FOUGHT FOR IT. >> AND I FOUGHT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM, INCLUDING THE ONES SITTING THERE LOOKING AT ME. ALL RIGHT. GOD SAYS THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING THE DECISION FOR US. >> THE I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? >> HELLO MY NAME IS ELIZABETH POWELL, I'M A RESIDENT OF ABC 33/40, THERE ARE THREE IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS ISSUE. ONE, WE NEED TO TRUST OUR LIBRARIANS, THEY ARE TRAINED EDUCATING AND INVESTED IN CREATING BEST LIBRARY FOR THE CITY OF ABC 33/40. THIS BOOK THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT ALTHOUGH IT HAS THE WORD TEEN IN THE TITLE IS HOUSED IN THE ADULT SECTION OF OUR LIBRARY, BECAUSE OUR LIBRARIANS KNEW IT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR IT. OUR LIBRARIANS ARE PROVIDING AN INCREDIBLE VALUE, AND WE NEED THEM TO TRUST THEIR JOBS. >> THEY ARE THE CITY OF ABILENE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN CITY, OR A CHRISTIAN CITY. IT IS. OPEN TO ALL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. >> THE WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS PART OF MASTURBATION, I WOULD LIKE TO READ SOME EX EXPERTS FROM THE BOOK. [01:25:03] CONSENT DURING SEXUAL ACTIVITIES IS A JOPLING ONGOING EAGER AGREEMENT BETWEEN PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S GIVEN FREELY, REVERSIBLE, AND ESSENTIAL. TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE TO SEE YOUR PARTNER AS AN AMAZING AND FLAWED HUMAN BEING THEY THEY ARE, AND TREAT THOSE AROUND YOU THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED AND EXPECT THE SAME. THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOURSELF, MAKE SURE THAT YOU EXTEND THE SAME KINDNESS, AND CARE THAT IS EXTEND TO OTHERS, TO YOURSELF, AND YOU DESERVE LOVE ESPECIALLY FROM YOURSELF. RELATIONSHIPS COME AND GO YOU WITH YOURSELF ARE WITH YOU FOR LIFE. THERE ARE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES OF SHARING NAKED PHOTOS OF FOLKS, UNDER AGE OF 18, EVEN IF THE PHOTOS OF YOU, AND ARE SHARING WITH SOMEONE THE SAME AGE AS YOU. . THERE IS REAL PRESSURE TO KEEP UP AND THAT CAN SUCK. IT'S TOTALLY NORMAL NOT TO BE HAVING SECTION OR BEING INTERESTED IN. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT PERSON. MAKE AMENDS WHEN YOU CAN AND MOVE FORWARD T OUTSIDE OF FRIEND AND FAMILY THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO FIND HELP IN A SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY. THERAPISTS, HEALTH LINE CENTERS, TEENS DOCTORS, AN AND THE NETTER NET HAS GOOD AND BAD ADVICE, REMAIN SKEPTICAL. >> SHOCKING IDEAS ABOUT INTERNET SAFETY, CONSENT, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND LOVING YOURSELF HOW YOU ARE, TELLING WHOEVER READS THIS BOOK NOT TO BE PRESSURED INTO SEX SEX, AND MAINTAIN THEIR BOUNDARIES, IT IS WHERE IT IS IN THE ADULT SECTION, NOT ISOLATED. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE] >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS ERIKA BAT EN, AND I AM A RESIDENT RIGHT HERE IN ABILENE, AND I AM HERE FOR TWO REASONS TODAY. ONE IS THAT OUR FAMILY IS REALLY INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK ON OUR FEET, WHO HAVE MAYBE COME FROM PRISON, AND THEY ARE ON PAROLE, AND THEY NEED A RIDE TO THE PAROLE OFFICE. IT IS REALLY HARD WHEN SOMEONE GETS OUT TRYING TO GET STARTED, AND THE GREAT PAROLE OFFICE THAT THIS CITY HAS FOR THEM IS A GREAT FACILITY, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO GET TO. >> IT USED TO BE DOWNTOWN. >> AND THEY COULD WALK OR GET A BUS RIDE. >> AND IS HE I AM ASKING Y'ALL TO PLEASE LOOK INTO IT. AKNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE, BUT LET'S NOT TABLE THIS. LET'S BRING THIS BACK UP INTO OUR COMMUNITY, AND GET A BUS STOP TO THE PAROLE OFFICE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE REALLY NEED RIDES AND DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET A CAR WHEN THEY FIRST GET STARTED, AND I AM ALSO WILL HERE OF COURSE, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY. AND I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DECISIONS. I SEE THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MAKING. >> WITH THE -- WHICH THIS COUNCIL OVERSEES. >> I FEAR THAT THIS NEW PARENTAL POLICY DISCRIMINATES AGAINST FAMILIES WITH ONE MORE THAN ONE CHILD. BECAUSE A PARENT CANNOT ADEQUATELY SUPERVISE MORE THAN ONE CHILD AT A LIBRARY AT A TIME. THE NEW POLICY THAT WAS AND MUSTILY PASSED NOW SAYS THAT IT IS THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENTS TO PREVENT THEIR CHILD FROM PECKING UP AN INAND PROREAT BOOK, AND THE LIBRARY IS HELPING TO REFUSE THESE EFFORTS BY PUTTING THEM IN THEIR OWN SECTIONS AND LABELLING SO THAT THE PARENTS KNOW WHERE TO KEEP THEIR KIDS AWAY FROM >> YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO KNOW WITH A NORMAL TITLE AND COVER IN THE KID'S SECTION IS A SNAKE IN THE WEEDS WAITING TO STRIKE. >> WE WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO STEP UP, GET ON RECORD ON THIS ISSUE, AND OVERSEE WHAT THIS BOARD IS DOING. IF A CHILD WERE TO RUN OUT IN THE STREET, AND WAS HIT BY A CAR, AND THAT CAR DROVE OFF. I WOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS THAN THAT EVERY PERSON IN THIS ROOM [01:30:32] INAUDIBLE ] >> IT'S BEEN NOTATED IN THE NEWS PAPER AND NOTED BY MR. HANNAH THAT THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCILLOR THE MAYOR FOR APPROVAL AND IT CAN BE PASSED A DECISION BY THE CITY MANAGER. I ASK THAT THAT NOT BE THE CASE. THAT WE DO BRING IT FORWARD. >> LET ME ADD TO THAT, BECAUSE WHAT HE SAID WAS LOOKING AT THE LEGAL COUNCIL IS LOOKHCOUNSEL, N LOOKING AT IT AND WE WILL BE BRINGING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, ON AUGUST 21ST. >> THANK GOD FOR THAT, AND PLEASE HEAR FROM THE CONCERNED CITIZENS ABOUT THAT POLICY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH OUR CONCERNS, AND IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE BEEFING UP OUR LIABILITY FOR THE CITY RATHER THAN ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE PARENTS. >> THE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION OF. ROBERT YOUR QUOTED BY MR. BRIAN BETHEL IN THIS PAST SUNDAY'S NEWSPAPER IN THE ABILENE REPORTER NEWS IN REGARD TO SEQUESTERING LIBRARY BOOKS AND THAT BEING A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IN THAT CONVERSATION YOU ARE QUOTED MULTIPLE TIMES. >> MULTIPLE TIMES, THE LGBTQTHEME IS BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS REALLY NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHOLE ISSUE THAT WE ARE UPSET ABOUT. IT'S SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIAL THAT'S WITHIN REACH OF CHILDREN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LGBTQ, AGENDA, YOU ARE ALSO QUOTED WITH ADDRESSING THIS FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL SECTIONS FOR BOUNDARIES TO BE PUT IN THAT THAT CANNOT BE DON, BECAUSE OF STATE LAWS, BUT YOU ALSO SAY THAT IT YOU COMPARE IT TO BASICALLY CREATING A SECTION OF BOOKS FOR HISPANIC MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. >> OR AFRICAN AMERICAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, NOW WE ARE BRINGING RACE INTO IT. WHICH IS THE SAME THING AS OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA LAST DON ACROSS THE NATION. THIS ISN'T ABOUT RACE, THIS ISN'T ABOUT LGBTQ, ISSUES, IT DOES NOT TO BE ADDRESSED THAT WAY. IT NEEDS TO BE SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THESE ARE -- THESE ARE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT BOOKS ON OUR SHELVES, ONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, AND I WILL SPEAK ABOUT IT NEXT WEEK AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. THERE ARE MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND, HUNDREDS, THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WELL. >> THIS HAS JUST OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE WILL BE MANY MORE THAT WILL COME FROM THIS. SO FINE BELY, I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. JUST FOR OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. >> WE DID SEND OUR LIBRARIAN, AND STAFF TO THE TEXAS LIBRARY ASSOCIATION. THIS MEETING IN APRIL WAS CHECK OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY, LGBTQ, AGENDA, DRAG QUEEN STORY EVENTS FOR LIBRARIANS TO IMPLEMENT INTO THE LIBRARY, PORNOGRAPHY, SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIAL, AND FOR THEM TO BE WARRIORS FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE CITY OF ABILENE ITS CITIZENS. I ASK THAT WE NOT SEND OUR LIBRARIANS NEXT YEAR TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. . >> [APPLAUSE]. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >>. >> 33/40, AND I AM 15, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR LIBRARY AND ESPECIALLY ACCESSIBLE TO YOUNG KIDS. I HAVE TWO YOUNG SIBLINGS THAT ARE VERY VULNERABLE TO THIS STUFF, AND VERY CURIOUS, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU AT LEAST MOVE IT, AND PUT IT TO WHERE YOUNG KIDS CAN'T GET AHOLD OF IT, AND I RESPECT Y'ALL'S DECISION. THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]. ANYONE ELSE? >> MY NAME IS DANNY INDISCERNIBLE ], I LIVE HERE IN ABILENE, 709606 IS MY ZIP CODE. I DIDN'T COME UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. BUT SOMEBODY READ A SCRIPTURE FROM THE VERSION OF THE BIBLE THAT WAS INVOKED AROUND 1995. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS MY FELLOW, I LOVE STUDYING THE WORD OF GOD THAT IS NOT HOW THE ORIGINAL [01:35:02] BIBLE WOULD PORTRAY IT ACTUALLY NAVIGATES SEXUAL MATTERS AS WELL AND KEEPING THE TALK OF THE NARRATIVE AND THE STORY THAT IT IS TELLING AND NOT FOCUSING ON THE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT. IN THE SAME, HE DOTEED UPON THEIR PARAMORES, WHO ARE THE FLESH OF ASSES, MEANING DONG EY EYIES, AND WHOSE ISSUES ARE ISSUES OF IS A DIFFERENT VERSION, YOU CAN GO FIND THE VERSION OF ANYTHING THAT IS NOW EXPLICIT EVEN NOW THE BIBLE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T COMPARE THE BIBLE THIS WAY IT IS NOT A BOOK A WAY OF LIVING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ADRY HE IS THAT >> MY NAME IS DANNY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS ROOM MATES ARE THE WORSE. NOBODY LIKES ROOM MATES CAN WE GET AN AMEN. >> ONE MIGHT WANT THE ROOM TO LOOK FEEL OR SMELL THE SAME WAY AND DON'T GET ME STARTED WITH THE THERMOSTATE AND I MAY NOT BE VAST WITH A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OR WISDOM BUT I HAVE HAD MY FAIR SHARE OF LIVING WITH PEOPLE WHO GRANT AND DON'T LIVE THE WAY THAT WE LIVE. AND ONE WAY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE TOGETHER, WE'VE AGREED THAT YOUR ROOM IS YOUR ROOM, AND IT CAN LOOK BE AND SMELL, SAN WE AGREE ON THE SMART SPACES, SUCH AS THE LIVING ROOM OR KITCHEN. THOSE SHARED SPACE WISE COULD COME TO A CONSENSUS, AND SAY THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEAN, PRESENTABLE, AND WELCOMING FOR EVERYBODY. AND SO WHENEVER THE KITCHEN STARTS LOOKING A LITTLE BIT LIKE SOMEBODY'S ROOM THE REST OF THE ROOM MATES KIND OF JUMP ON HIM, GET YOUR STUFF OUT OF THE KITCHEN IT'S NOT YOUR ROOM. I AM A YOUTH PASTOR AND SOMETIMES I FEEL THAT ANALOGIES ARE AWAY TO TAKE COMPLEX ISSUES AND MAKE THEM NOT SO COMPLEX. THE LIBRARY IS A SHARED SPACE, AND YOUR HOME IS LIKE THAT INDIVIDUAL'S BEDROOM, AND YOUR HOME CAN HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, AND TEACH WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IN THAT SHARED SPACE, IT NEEDS TO BE WITH WELCOMING, OPEN AND CLEAN FOR EVERYBODY. AND ONE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT I THINK THAT THE CHILD IMPORTANT GRAPHIC MATERIAL MIGHT BE AN OVERSTEP. IT'S STARTING TO -- THE PUBLIC SPACE IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY'S ROOM TOO MUCH AND I THINK THAT WHAT YOUR SEEING IS THAT THE OTHER ROOM MATES ARE SAYING GET YOUR PERSONAL BELONGINGS OUT OF THE PUBLIC SPACE BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE STAYING WELCOMING AND INVITING FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE ARE AGAINST ROOM MATES. IT IS NOT ABOUT THAT, IT'S ABOUT THE SHARED SPACE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PUT THE FOCUS ON. I AM A FAN OF ABILENE, I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN PROBABLY MIGHT BE YOUR BIGGEST FAN BUT THESE PAST TWO YEARS YOU ALL TREAT ME LIKE COWBOYS, I WANT TO BE YOUR FAN, BUT YOU MAKE IT SO HARD [LAUGHTER] BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPORTANT GRAPHIC MATERIALITY WOULD SAY THAT IT'S AN OVERSTEP LOVE ABILENE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY THANK YOU SO MUCH I KNOW THAT YOU WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS KELLY SCHMIDT, AND I LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF ABILENE. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE FEDERAL LAW AGAINST CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE DEFINITION IS. IN REGARDS TO THE BOOK. >> ANYTHING THAT EXPLOITS CHILDREN WITH THE DIRECT INVOLVEMENT OF SIMULATED CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. IT CAN BE IN WRITINGSES, MAGAZINES, PHOTOS, DRAWINGS, VIDEOS, CARTOONS, THAT ABUSE OF THE CHILD OCCURS DURING SEXUAL ACTOR LASCIVIOUS EXHIBITIONS OF GENITALS OR PUBIC AREAS WHICH ARE RECORDED IN THE BOOKS. GENERALLY INCLUDE SEXUAL IMAGES, INCLUDING PREPUBESCENT OR POST PUGH BEST EENT MINORS IN COMPUTER AIDED IMAGES THAT APPEAR TO INVOLVE THEM. IF YOU CAN NOT DISTINGUISH WHETHER IT IS THE PICTURE OF AN ADULT OR A 17 YEAR-OLD, THAT'S CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THIS BOOK. THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY THAT'S A 21 YEAR-OLD MALE. >> YOU CAN'T TELL THAT. AS A PARENT, IF YOU TAKE YOUR CHILD TO THE PEDIATRICIAN, THEY ARE A CHILD UNTIL THEY ARE 18 YEARS OLD. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> THEY ARE ON YOUR INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 18 YEARS OLD. THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED A CHILD, 1 TO 18 IS THE CHILD AGE, OR BIRTH TO -- [01:40:30] >> SMOKING IT IS A DRUG HERE IN AMERICA. THE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH DOES NOT LIE. SO PUTTING THIS BOOK ON AN END CAP, WHOEVER DID IT, LABELLED AS A TEEN BOOK, AS A MOM, THAT'S PRETTY SCARY. PRETTY SCARY. TO KNOW THAT MY CHILD WOULD BE POSSIBLY TAKING A BOOK UP THAT LOOKS HARM LESS, OPENING IT UP AND SEEING PICTURES THAT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. THINK ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN, AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND GRANDCHILDREN, HOW WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL. NOT ONLY THIS BOOK, BUT ANY BOOK WITH THESE PICTURES, DRAWINGS, NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AND TAKEN OUT. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. >> COULD WE VOTE ON IS THE CONSENT AGENDA OR GO TO 13. >> 13. >> I AM SORRY, SIRS, GENTLEMAN --. >> THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. >> EXCUSE ME? >> YOU JUST CLOSED IT. >> YOU ONLY GAVE HIM HALF A SECOND AND CLOSED IT. >> SIR, I CLOSED THE PUBLIC MEETING, PUBLIC HEARING, OKAY, AND I GAVE EVERYONE SUFFER TIME TO COME UP. >> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I HAVE ADHD, I AM SORRY. >> I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AGAIN FOR YOU, SIR. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. >> WHAT IS YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS MARIO SINCECINTRO. >> I HAVE BEEN SPONSORED BY VETERANS OF VFW, AT THE VFW, THE REASON IS BECAUSE I AM A MISSIONARY. I'VE BEEN SHOT IN THE MISSION FIELD, AND I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH BESIDES OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN THROUGH. THERE'S NO WAY THAT I COULD BE ALIVE TODAY, I AM I BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. YOU KNOW THERE IS AN AGENDA WITH THIS AND IT'S A VERY VERY TOUGH AGENDA FOR EVERYBODY FOR ANYBODY TO SWALLOW. IS DOING WITH THIS, IT DOES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BOOK THAT IS NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING PEDOPHILES, AND IT'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT SEXUAL THINGS THAT EVERYTHING GOES WITH EVERYBODY, CAN ANYBODY. CHILDREN WITH ADULTS, TAKING BATHS. ANYWHERE THAT THEY ARE. THEY WOULD BE ALL OKAY, AND NORMAL. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AS IT SAYS, NORMAL, HUMAN. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NORMAL HUMAN DOING THIS, AND ANOTHER THING IS THAT SOME OF THESE WHO ARES HORRORS HAS TO DO WITH EATING HUMAN FLESH, AND IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH EATING HUMAN BROWNIES. I WANT TO SAY ABOUT WHAT A LEAD SPOKE ABOUT THAT. AND HERE'S THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE. IN WHICH I BELIEVE IT WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM UP HIGH. ANYONE WHO MESSES, THAT ACTUALLY WILL SAY ANYBODY, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BODY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ASSAULT ON CHILDREN'S MIND. IT'S ASSAULT ON US, AND AN ASSAULT OUR NATION, IT HAS BEEN AN ASSAULT ON THE WORLD. EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD THAT IS GOING ON TODAY. THIS IS WHERE IT IS. BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO MESSES WITH [01:45:08] A CHILD DECLARES WAR ON THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. AND ME. THANK YOU, SIRS. >> [APPLAUSE]. >> >> I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, CONSISTING OF ITEMS 3 THROUGH 16, I WITH 12 BEING PULLED AND 13 MY COUNCILMAN PRICE. I WOULD I CAN THAT A MOTION AND SECOND. >> MOTION, AND SECOND. >> A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER,. >> THE YES. >> ALBERS. >> YES. >> THE CRAVER. >> YES. >> PRICE. >> YES >> COUNCIL MEMBER BEARD. >> YES, WITH ABSTENTION ON 9 AND 10. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPSTAL [13. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on Awarding Bid #2255 N. 6th St. and Cypress St. Improvements to Bontke Brothers, Inc. (Max Johnson)] BUS, AND HURT. >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> MOVE ITEM 13 AND COUNCILMAN PRICEY WILL PULL THIS. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR MAX. I SENT AN E-MAIL, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THE DOWNTOWN HOTEL FENCING GOES THROUGH THE SIDEWALK INTO THE PART OF THE STREET. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THE PROJECT DOING SIDEWALK WORK. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT FENCE COULD BE MOVED OR IF THEY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE HOTEL -- >> CAN DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING BETWEEN BONTKE BROTHERS, INC, OUR CONTRACTOR WHO IS DOING THE STREETS UP TO THE CURB, AND THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S DOING THE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. BUT WE ARE ALREADY IN COORDINATION THAT FENCE IS GOING TO BE MOVED SO THAT BOTH CONTRACTORS CAN BE DO THEIR WORK IN A TIMELY MANNER, AND WE DON'T BREAK ANY -- >> >> I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTED TIME LINES OR IF THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE WITH IS THE DISTANCE THAT THE FENCING HAD TO BE. >> ALL IN COORDINATION. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THE E MAIL. >> YES, SIR >> SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARD THAT. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> HE WOULD WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 13? THANK YOU, COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT BONTKE BROTHERS, INC, AGAIN. >> I AM GOING TO ASK IT LIKE I DID AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, ARE THEY ABSOLUTELY THE LOWEST BIDDER ON THIS? SITUATION, BEFORE, HER WE KIND OF GOT OURSELVES PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH CONTRACTORS WE WANT BY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VALUE AND LOWEST BID. YOU KNOW, I ASKED, AND YOU SKIPPED OVER ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR THE ELECTION COST. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THAT OLD SAYING THE ASTRONAUTS SITTING ON TOP OF THE SATURN V SYSTEM AND SAID THIS ROCKET WAS BUILT BY THE LOWEST BIDDER ON A GOVERNMENT CONTRACT. DOES THAT ACTUALLY HOLD TRUE, OR ARE WE SHOWING FAVORITISM AGAIN TO BONTKE. I DID NOT RESEARCH THIS ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. SENSE YOU PULLED THIS ITEM AND IT HAS TO DO WITH BRONZE LIKE BEFORE YOU WOULD HAVE THIS NATURE TRAIL THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER COMPANY WAS LOWER, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE PMMIP, BECAUSE THE BONDS DIDN'T COVER THIS. >> IS THAT ACTUALLY THE LOWEST BIDDER ON THIS ITEM, THANK YOU, COUNCIL >> WE USE THE WE USE THE BID ON THE JOB, AND BONTKE BROTHERS, INC, WAS THE ONLY BIDDER ON THE JOB, AND THEY ARE STILL THE LOWEST BIDDER ON THE JOB >> WE ARE STILL ON ITEM 13. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKING TO SPEAK ON THIS. >> SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS IF NOT ATTACK A MOTION . [24. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2022-15: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Cimarron Meadows Development Corp. Represented By Jacob & Martin To Amend The Terms And Conditions Of Planned Development District Number 170 Specifically To Add Approximately 37 Acres Of Existing Residential Medium Density (MD) And Approximately 15 Acres Of Agricultural Open Space (AO) Zoning And Amending Them To Allow For 5,000 Square Foot Lots With 5 Foot Side Setbacks And 50 X 100 Foot Lot Dimensions. (Tim Littlejohn)] I AM GOING TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM 24 TO THE REGULAR OF THE AGENDA, [01:50:01] AND WE WILL DISCUSS ITEM 24 FIRST. SO I WILL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN DIRECT OR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING. WE HAVE AGENT JACOB & MARTIN, THEY ARE TO REZONE OPEN SPACE, ANAPROXLY 30 CERTAIN ACRES OF CURRENT MEDIUM DEEPSIT TOYA PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PD 170. WHAT THIS DOES IS GOING TO CREATE ATTRACT 2 OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. >> HERE'S A LOCATION MAP OF THE AREA THAT WE ARE SPOKING OF. IT'S IN BETWEEN MAPLE AND LAKESIDE DRIVE. >> AREA OF LOCATION. PD 160 IS A SINGLE-FAMILYTOWNHOME BASED ZONING. THERE'S A MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING TO THE NORTH, AND THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO -- WANTING TO TAKE IN THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO THE EAST. >> HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. . >> PERMITTED USAGES WITHIN THE SINGLE-FAMILYTOWNHOME DISTRICT. THIS WOULD AND AND FOR TRACT ONE ONLY. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE DID RECEIVE EIGHT OPPOSED IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, 8.7 PERCENT IN OPPOSITION. >> THERE WERE FOUR OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA. WHAT ARE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR YOU TODAY IS THE PD AS STATED IS TO TAKE IN THE (MD) TRACT WHICH IS THE THE 30 SOMETHING ACRES, PLUS THE 14 ACRES, (AO), DOWN SIDE THE (MD), AND TURN TRACT TWO INTO THE RS-SIX BASE, INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT IT WOULD BE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THAT'S WHAT UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THEY DID HEAR IT BACK IN JULY, AND THEY DO RECOMMEND DENIAL THIS MORNING. >> AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONSSIR. OF THAT CURRENT (AO) PROPERTY, TO ALLOW FOR A COLLECTOR STATUS ROAD THERE IF CONSTRUCTED. >> IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOES CONSTRUCT. THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING HALF IN THE CITY WHERE IT WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE OTHER HALF OF THAT LENGTH OF ROAD WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT PROPERTY THERE. >> AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAKESIDE DRIVE, THE EAST END OF THAT PROPERTY THERE'S A UTILITY LINES SO THERE'S ALREADY A UTILITY EASEMENT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROAD WE WOULD ACTUALLY GAIN? >> NOT UNTIL THEY GET A SURVEY, AND WE SEE EXACTLY HOW EVERYTHING LAYS OUT. >> WITH THAT WOULD BE ALL FIGURED OUT. >> IT WOULD BE A COLLECTOR, A WIDER ROAD. RIGHT NOW IT'S 21 FEET- IT'S SUBSTANDARD. >> IT'S LESS THAN A LOCAL ROAD WHICH IS THERE CURRENTLY. SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF [01:55:03] AN IMPROVEMENT THERE ONCE DEVELOPED, AND YOU INDICATED SIMILAR TO THAT, IT WOULD BE IMPROVED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY. BUT WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE ENDS THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF LAKESIDE DRIVE THAT EXTENDS OUT TO BABOUT ARRY, AND I REMEMBER THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE WALMART IN THAT REGARD. WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXPANDING THE REST OF LAKE SIDE? IF THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES UP TO THE NORTH, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER, AND IT IF WARRANTED THE PUBLIC WORKS WOULD ASSESS IT AT THAT TIME, AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME NEED TO GO AHEAD AND IMPROVE IT NOW. >> BUT IF HE DO NOT EXPAND TO THE NORTH, BASICALLY YOU HAVE A VERY SMALL ROAD FROM BARRY, COMING IN THAT WOULD BECOME VERY WIDE. SO MY CONCERN IS YOU SAY IF HE DEVELOPS THAT. OKAY. IF. BUT IF HE DOESN'T HOW LONG WOULD WE WAIT UNTIL WE MAKE THE DECISION. >> IT'S A COUNCIL DECISION, IF THEY VOTED TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH GRIFFITH. WHOOP HE APPROVED THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF GRIFFITH, AND IT NEEDED TO BE DON, THAT'S A COUNCIL DIRECTION YOU CAN MAKE OF STAFF. >> CAN WE NOT MAKE A REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUT TO MAPLE INSTEAD OF GOING BACK THROUGH A SIR THAT ALREADY HAS A LOT OF HOMES IN IT? >> COUNCILMAN, THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN HAS THAT DRAWN IN THAT LOCATION, AND THE PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YET, AND THE ONE THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON, WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU SHORTLY, DOESN'T HAVE THAT THERE. THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INGRESS, AND EGRESS, WITH MAPLE AND BARRY CONNECTIONS AND THEY PUT THAT THERE BECAUSE OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED, AND IF COUNCIL WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT CONNECTION IS NOT REQUIRED, IT WOULD CERTAINLY ALLEVIATE STAFF OF ENFORCING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY ADOPTED SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT REQUIRE THAT CONNECTION IF YOU CHOOSE TO. >> TO NOT REQUIRE THE CONNECTION TO LAKESIDE. YOU CAN DIRECT THEM NOT TO HAVE IT CONNECTED TO LAKESIDE BECAUSE THEY MEET THEIR FIRE INGRESS, AND EGRESS THROUGH OTHER MEANS ALREADY. IT IS NOT AN ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS POINT. >> SO WE CAN GO REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MAPLE INSTEAD OF -- IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >> TIM, COULD YOU ADDRESS THE OTHER ACCESS POINTS FOR THIS SUBDIVISION. >> YES. >> IF SHOULD LOOK AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND IT'S NOT DESIRED TO HAVE THAT CUT OUT ONTO LAKESIDE DRIVE, THE DEVELOPER COULD OMIT THAT CUT-IN TO LAKESIDE DRIVE SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THAT SUBSTANDARD ROAD DOWN. AND IT WOULD STILL MEET ALL OF THE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE FIRE CODE WITH THE TRACT ONE HAVING ITS OWN INGRESS, AND EGRESS THERE TO MAPLE. TRACT TWO HAVING ANOTHER ACCESS POINT, GOING ON TO MAPLE, AND THEN TO THE NORTH THERE IS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THERE ON BARRY STREET SO YOU WOULD HAVE THEE POINTS OF ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES TO ACCESS THAT DEVELOPMENT. >> I DO THINK THAT THAT IS THE MAJOR CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HEARD IS THAT ACCESS ONTO LAKE SIDE. BUT SO THE TWO -- FOR THE CONTRACT ONE, TRACT TWO INGRESS, EGRESS THERE ON MAPLE. I KNOW THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE. I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL BUT WOULD THIS MAP HERE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS WHERE -- I KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T BE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. AND WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IN PLATTING AT SOME POINT. >> THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS, AND PUBLIC WORKS WOULD WEIGH IN HEAVILY ON THAT REQUIREMENT THERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU USE -- YOUR USING THE WORD "COULD", SO ARE YOU SAYING OPTIONAL? THE DEVELOPER HAS THE CHOICE TO, OR THE DEVELOPER HAS THE CHOICE TO DO. >> IF THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS NOT TO HAVE THE ACCESS ON [02:00:04] LAKESIDE DRIVE. WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE ACHE EENT, AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO ADMIT THAT CUT IN TO LAKESIDE DRIVE, IF THIS WAS A LEGAL APPROVAL FOR THIS REQUEST. >> YOU NEED TO HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN AS PART OF THE PD UNLESS IT IS WAIVED AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT IS NOT WAIVED SO WHATEVER CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED TODAY PD BECOMES PART OF THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU ARE WANTING TO MICRO VISION TO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IT'S THERE, YOU WE CAN DO THAT VERBALLY, AND YOU CAN JUST STATE THAT AND THEY CAN AMEND IT, OR YOU CAN REQUIRE THAT AN AMENDED CONCEPT PLAN BE ATTACHED AND BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU AT A LATER TIME SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CONCEPT PLAN. EITHER WAY EITHER OF THOSE WOULD WORK BECAUSE THE CONCEPT PLAN BECOMES PART OF THE ORDINANCE. >> TIM, TRACT TWO THE CENTER POINT IS ALREADY ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY. SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE UNITS OUT, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS, CORRECT? THEY COULD HAVE EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE RIGHT NOW. >> ON A MEDIUM DENSITY IT WOULD BE 12 UNITS PER ACRE. >> BE EXCUSE ME. >> YES, SIR, AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THE 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 8.7 UNITS PER ACRE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RS-SIX, AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THE 50 FOOT LOTS IT WOULD 1.45 UNITS PER ACRE BETWEEN THE RS-SIX, AND WHAT THEY ARE CALLING RS-FIVE WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE, AND THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL TIM TO THE 50 FOOT BY 100 FOOT LOTS. >> THANK YOU, TILL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> COUNCIL? >> THANKS, TIM. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >>. GOOD AFTERNOON, DEVELOPER. >> MY CLIENT, AARON, WALDROP, CIMARRON MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT CORP. IS THE NAME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AS TIM OUTLINED OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO MODIFY SECTION ONE OF CIMARRON MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT CORP. IS THE NORTHERN PORTION THAT CONNECTS TO BARRY STREET THAXTON BEEN COMPLETE. HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT NOW. MY CLIENT FELT THAT SINGLE FAMILY WAS MORE OF A DIRECTION HE WANTS TO GO, A CHANGE FROM WHAT HE THOUGHT DIRECTION. - IT HOW THE MATH IS DON, AN ACRE DIVIDED BY 5,000, THAT'S WHERE YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING AROUND EIGHT. HOWEVER IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION YOU HAVE RIGHTS OF WAYS, ROADS, EASEMENTS ALL OF THESE THINGS IN A MULTIFAMILY OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, IT'S ASSIGNINGULAR LOT THAXTON A BUNCH OF BUILDINGS ON IT, WITH A BUNCH OF UNITS. SO THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS YOU CAN GET PER ACRE IS ABOUT FIVE. SO FOR COMPARISON THE 15 ACRE TRACT ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THIS MODIFIED RS-SIX ZONING THAT WE ARE HOPING TO GET, I THINK THAT THERE'S 71 UNITS ON THAT 15 ACRES, WHICH COMES UP TO JUST UNDER FIVE ACTUALLY. >> AND AGAIN, IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE SHAPE OF THE TRACT, AND HOW ALL OF THAT LAYS OUT. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A -- WHAT WE ARE CALLED A MODIFIED RS-6 TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR OUR CLIENT WITH THE 50 FOOT FRONTAGE WIDTH OF THAT LOT, AND THE FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACKS. [02:05:04] AS COMPARED TO A TYPICAL RS-6 YOU'VE GOT 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS WITH A SIX FOOT SIDE SETBACK, THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY. THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE LAY THE PROJECT OUT. JUST TO BE ABLE TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH THE SPACE. WITH THE LAND THAT WE HAVE. EVERY TRACT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR US WHEN WE PUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS TOGETHER. IT'S LIKE PUTTING A PUZZLE TOGETHER. WE ARE TAKING THOSE COMPONENTS AND PLACING THEM ON THE PROPERTY. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT THESE MINIMUMS, 50 FOOT WIDE MINIMUM, AND FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACK MINIMUMS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY LOT IS THAT SIZE. IN THIS DEVELOPMENT I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE MAJORITY TO BE THAT SIDZE. BUT THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. LOTS WITH 70 FOOT FRONTAGES. EVERY CORNER LOT REQUIRES A MUCH LARGER WIDTH BECAUSE THE SIDE SETBACK WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD NEXT TO YOU IS BETWEEN 50 AND 20 FEET DEPENDING ON THE CLASSIFICATION OF THAT ROAD. SO THOSE LOTS END UP BEING 70 PLUS. EVERY TIME WE HAVE CORNER LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE A 90 DEGREE BEND IN A ROAD, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE IN THIS LAYOUT, OR YOU HAVE A CUL DU SAC,'S WE CALL THOSE KEYED LOTS. KEYED LOTS ARE INHERENTLY MUCH LARGER. >> THESE LOTS AS WE HAVE THEM LAID OUT NOW ARE MUCH LARGER THAN EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. IT IS A MIXTURE OF LOT SIZES AND THIS IS VERY COMMON, VERY TYPICAL FOR THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AS WE TRANSITION FROM THE RS-6 IN A SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOME THIS IS WHAT MY CLIENT DESIRES TO PUT IN PLACE HERE. WITH RESPECT TO ACCESS TO LAKESIDE ROAD. OUR CONSENT PLAN IS MORE THAN A CONCEPT PLAN, THIS HIM MIX OUR PRELIMINARY PLAT. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. THERE MAY BE A FEW CHANGES, BUT OVERALL THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. WE HAVE CURRENTLY TWO CONNECTIONS TO BARRY LANE AND THEN WE HAVE TWO TO MAPLE. WE CONSIDER THOSE OUR PRIME ERIE POINTS OF INGRESS, AND EGRESS INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE CONNECTION BACK OUT TO LAKESIDE QUITE HONESTLY WE ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE. IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE IN TWO WAYS, BECAUSE OF BLOCK LENGTH, AND IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE, AND YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS BASED ON THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THIS COUNCIL -- OR COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT OUTLINES COLLECTORS, ARTERIALS, AND EXPRESSWAYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ANYTIME THAT YOU DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND A COLLECTOR IS SHOWN ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PUT THAT INTO PLACE. THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO NOT DO THAT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY I DON'T HAVE TO YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME TO AMEND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT ANOTHER IMPORTANT ITEM RELATED TO THAT, AND AGAIN THIS WAS TOUCHED ON TOO. I KNOW THAT STAFF IS GOING DOWN THE PATH OF UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS BEING UPDATE YOU HAD AND IS BEING UPDATED TO SOME EXTENT. I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE COLLECTOR ROAD THAT IS SHOWN FROM MAPLE TO LAKESIDE SHOWN ON THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS NOT SHOWN ON THE NEW ONE. AGAIN THAT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED OR APPROVED. BUT I THINK THAT IT'S HAD A DISCERNING EYE LOOK AT IT, AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I LOOKED AT WELL BEFORE THIS ZONING CASE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS AS A RESULT OF THIS. IT'S JUST THAT THEY LOOKED AT IT, AND SAID YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A NEED FOR A COLLECTOR BETWEEN THERE. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAYBE THERE'S NOT A ROAD NECESSARY BETWEEN MAPLE AND LAKESIDE. I THINK THAT'S AT THE END DAY OF THE UP FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD AND WHAT I'VE READ PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN WITH, I ALSO SEEM TO THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC CONNECTIVITY BACK TO LAKESIDE DRIVE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES. THAT ROAD IS SUBSTANDARD. IT'S ABOUT -- THE SPOTS THAT I MEASURED IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 22 TO 24 FEET WIDE SO SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND ON A COUNTY RURAL ROAD. SO IT CERTAINLY IS NOT IMPROVED. MY CLIENT HAS NO REAL DESIRE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO LAKESIDE DRIVE. THAT'S NO NEED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT BACK TO LAKESIDE DRIVE OTHER THAN IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE. SO IF -- TO GET EVERYONE COMFORTABLE AND FEELING LIKE THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GO, THE BEST THING FOR LAKE SIDE DRIVE LONG TERM TO NOT HAVE THAT CONNECTION, WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT. [02:10:01] WE WOULD JUST NEED YOU TO ADD THAT TO ADD THAT TO THE REQUIREMENT TO THE PD, AND TAKE IT OUT ANSWER TAND THEN I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION, AND THEN THAT'S ALL I REALLY NEED TO REMOVE THAT. >> I KNOW ALONG LAKESIDE DRIVE, THAT MY CLIENT IS READY TO GO OUT OF THE GATES ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE -- THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION A GOOD BID, AND FINALIZE, AND HE WILL BUILD A FENCE FROM THE NORTH END TO THE SOUTH END OF WHAT HE OWNS ABUTTING TOGETHER LAKESIDE DRIVE TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER. >> ANYTIME THAT YOU ARE HAD PUTTING IN A CEDAR PICKET FENCE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA TOO. IF THEY GET BUILT AT DIFFERENT TIMES THEY GET WEATHERED OR STAINED A DIFFERENT WAY AND CREATES A DIFFERENT LOOK, I KNOW THAT AARON HAS MADE A HABIT OF IT ON HIS DEVELOPMENTS AND HE TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY HE'S GOING TO DO IT HERE HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT ALL AT ONCE, AND STAIN IT ALL AT ONCE, SO IT'S A CONSISTENT LOOK, AND PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER TO THE SUBDIVISION DOES THE EAST ANALYZE DRIVE. . . SO THIS WILL BE DOWN ZONED WE ARE TAKING WHAT COULD BE 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND MAKING IT FIVE. >> THE I BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT CENTER PIECE IS ZONED (MD), AND WE ARE GOING TOWN TO 106, IF I DIDN'T MISS COUNTY MINUTE AGO, ABOUT 106 LOTS. AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 70, 71 ON THE EAST TRACT. I DO FEEL THAT THE LAND USE SAY PROBLEM TEE AT THIS LOCATION. >> AND AARON, THIS IS NOT HIS FIRST DEVELOPMENT, HE'S DON NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN TAYLOR COUNTY AND ABILENE, 2500 DEVELOPMENTS NOT EVEN INCLUDING THIS ONE AT ALL WHICH REPRESENTS ALMOST HALF A BILLION DOLLAR ON THE TAX ROLLS. AND I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OR IF YOU ARE MAYBE FAMILIAR WITH HIS DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE QUALITIES. THEY ARE NICE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY CERTAINLY ADD TO THE COMMUNE, AND I WOULD EXPECT CIMARRON MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT CORP. TO BE NO DIFFERENT. SO WE DO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND I WOULD HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN. >> YOU COVERED IT ALL FOR ME, THANK YOU, >> WE DO HAVE SOME CARDS, AND I WILL LET. >> >> SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. >> OKAY. >> I DRIVE UP AND DOWN LAKESIDE DRIVE CONSTANTLY EVERY DAY, 2 OR 34 TIMES ON THE WAY OVER HERE THIS MORNING IT'S FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE LONG JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. ON THE WAY OVER HERE THIS MORNING, I MET 11 CARS. >> WHENEVER PEOPLE WERE GOING TO WORK OVER AT ABILENE STATE SCHOOL, SO THERE WAS MORE TRAFFIC THAN NORMAL. BUT I NEVER GO DOWN LAKESIDE WHEN I DON'T MEET 3 OR 4 OR 5 CARS. >> IT'S A LOT BUSIER THAN WHAT MOST PEOPLE MIGHT THINK. IF THERE'S AN OUTLET FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PLANNED WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS FROM WHAT I AM READING HERE IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE, THE TRAFFIC ON LAKESIDE IS GOING TO BE ABSURD. >> THEY ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF UPSET DRIVERS GOING TO WORK, AND COMING HOME IN THE EVENING. AND MANY MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR SHORT CUTS AND ONE OF THE SHORT CUTS IS TURNING OFF OF LAKE SIDE BACK TO THE EAST ON THE SHOWERS, ANODE ONLY FORD STATES AND BENT TREE AND THAT [02:15:01] AREA OVER THERE. >> IT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE TRAFFIC OVER IN THAT AREA THERE. NOW IF THE GENTLEMAN HERE DOES WHAT CAN GO BE DON, AND YOU ALL CHANGE THE CODE AND THERE NOT BE AN OUTLET ONTO LAKESIDE, THEN THAT WOULD SOME THAT HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEM ALL RIGHT. BUT THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY TO AMEND THATAMENDTHAT CODE IT IF THAT IT DON, LAKESIDE WILL NEED TO BE TURN UP, ALONG WITH SOUTH 21ST, WHICH IS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF ABILENE STATE SCHOOL OVER TO OLD THE TH OLDHAM. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE LEAVING COUNTRY MEDOATH AND THIS OTHER AREA TO GO TO WORKING AND WHENEVER YOU GET ON SOUTH 14TH, AFTER YOU GO PAST MAINPLE, AND SOUTH TREADAWAY BOULEVARD YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE SHORT CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE THE CITY HAS ALREADY GIVEN SOUTHERN SWITCHING TO FEND FIX THOSE TRACKS. I CAN GO TELL YOU THEY AIN'T DON NOTHING, AND THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO THEM. THEY WON'T ANSWER MY PHONE ANY MORE. THE LAST TIME THAT I TALKED TO THE GAL OVER THERE, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING, AND THOSE TRACKS ARE BY FAR THE WORST IN ABILENE, AND YOU WILL HAVE TRAFFIC BACKED UP SO FAR FROM THOSE TRACKS, ALL THE WAY BACK TO MAPLE. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN ACROSS THEM. YOU NEED TO GO OVER THERE, AND GO ACROSS THEM. IED TO HAVE ONE STRUT REPLACED ON MY CAR THE OTHER DAY. 1400 BUCKS. >> THANK YOU, MR. WILSON. >> CAN YOU ADDRESS THE TRACKS, PLEASE. >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE REPAIRS ED WITH SOUTHERN SWITCHING. THAT IS IN THE WORKS THAT THEY WILL BE REPLACED. MY WIFE BLEW A TIRE ON THEM, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY. >> IT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY. >> AND SOUTHERN SWITCHING IS HAPPY TO TAKE OUR MONEY TO FIX THE RAILROAD. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE'VE DON IT THROUGH OTHER INTERSECTIONS AND RAILROAD CROSSINGS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT. THERE'S ONE ON EAST NORTH 13 THAT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO DO THE SAME THING ON, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO WELL TRAVELED IN HORRIBLE CONDITION AS WELL. >> NOW I SEE YOU. >> ROBIN DAVIS. >> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US. MY FAMILY AND I LIVE ON LYTTLE, SHOWERS DRIVE. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE FOUR KIDS, AND I OFTEN HAVE FOUR KIDS WITH ME, JUST THE HOUSES RIGHT AROUND OURS, THERE ARE 13 KIDS TOTAL. JUST US IN OUR LITTLE MAYBE FOUR HOUSES THERE. AND SO YOU IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT POSSIBLY TRAFFIC WOULD INCREASE ON OUR STREET, IT WAS VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE WE USE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BIKE OFTEN, AND WALK, JOG, ELDERLY PEOPLE GO IN THE MIDDLE OF DATE. WE USUALLY GO IN THE EVENING. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE MORE TRAFFIC BEING ON OUR STREET. IT'S KIND OF CURVY, AND SO I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE JOGGING ACROSS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO OLDHAM LANE, IT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS, AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATED WHAT I'VE LETTER HEARD ABOUT POSSIBLY NOT EVEN HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. I AM A PTO, MEMBER AT THOMAS SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT NEW FAMILIAR THREE, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT PEOPLE MOVING IN, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF WHO'S ALREADY THERE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER EITHER BLOCKING THAT OFF FROM AS AN ENTRANCE, EVEN POSSIBLY MAKING A DEAD END, WHATEVER WE NEEDED TO DO TO JUST ENSURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STAYS SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE, AND USE OUR ROADS FOR MORE THAN JUST DRIVING. THANK YOU. >> KIN SSAY GOODMAN. . >> HI, MY NAME IS RODNEY GOODMAN, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE OLDHAM HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE 63 LOTS IN OLDHAM FORD, THERE ARE ABOUT 55 IN BENT TREE, AND THE MAIN CONCERN IS GOING FROM LAKESIDE EITHER THROUGH SOUTH 21ST OR DOWN [02:20:12] LYTLE, SHOWERS LANE. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE A VOTE OR SOLICIT INPUT FROM ANYBODY ON THAT OPTION, AND THERE'S A FENCE PUT UP AND IT'S MAINTAINED, ANALYZE IS NOT AN OUTLET FOR THAT. I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HERE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. AND I GUESS IN THE PLANNING, AND ZONING MEETING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS NEW AREA IS SURROUND BY RESEARCH 6, AND THAT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE. THERE'S OLDHAM OAKS TO THE SOUTH OF US, RESEARCH 8, AND WE ARE RS-12, AND WHILE BENTLEY IS ZONED RS-6 THERE ARE LARGER LOT SIZES AND HOUSE SIZES THAT ARE LARGER THAN THEY ARE AT CIMARRON MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT CORP. IS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPARABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT 15 ACRES THAT IS LOWER DENSITY HOUSING, BIGGER HOUSES, BIGGER LOTS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD FIT WITH BENT TREE, AND OLDHAM FORBES, AND OLDHAM OAKS, AND WE WOULD OPEN TO CLOSING LAKESIDE AND PUTTING A FENCE UP, AND THAT WOULD SATISFY EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. >> ALBERT HALEY. >> FORBES. INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED THIS MORNING ABOUT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION ABOUT CLOSING OR HAVING SOME DISCRETION WITH THE ROADS. I THINK THAT'S GOOD NEWS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAD PERSONALLY WAS LAKESIDE DRIVE. ROBIN WHEN SHE WALKS, THAT'S THE THING I MAY BE ONE OF THOSE ELDERLY PEOPLE THEE SEES WALKING BECAUSE WE SEE HER AND HER KIDS OFTEN, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THAT ESPECIALLY WITH STATE SCHOOL DESIGNATING THAT ENTRANCE, THAT HAPPENED OH, OVER THE LAST, COUPLE OF JUST HAS IN TRAFFIC ON LAKE SIDE AND SOUTH 21ST. SO RODNEY ALREADY SPOKE TO ADDRESSING MOST PEOPLE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I THINK THAT I FALL WITHIN THAT CAMP. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU THIS MORNING. >> APPRECIATE YOU ALL LISTENING. >> ROBIN. >> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO SAY GOOD MORNING SORE GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN A LONG MEETING FOR US, I AM ROBIN CYNTHIA COURT I WANT TO THANK YOU EVERY ONE OF YOU DROVE THIS AREA, I APPRECIATE THAT.THAT. DEVELOPMENT. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND MANY RULES AS WEEK FOR SAFETY, WATER DRAINAGE, AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN MAKE THIS EGRESS NOT HAPPEN, I THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME TO SOME GOOD SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU. >> WELL DONNA REEVES DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK, AND DONALD HANS, DOES NOT WANT TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. RON RAINWATER. MY NAME IS RONALD RAINWATER OF THE I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. PUBLIC SERVANTS LIKE YOU ARE THE HEART AND SOUL OF EVERY COMMUNITY. WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. WE PRAESH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF [02:25:03] YOU. AND HOW COOL OF A PLACE IS IT THAT KID WITH KAMALA HARRIS ROO, KAMALA HARRIS CHOO, TRAINS, AND KID WHO WANT TO READ ABOUT DINOSAURS. >> MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID MY FELLOW HOMEOWNERS HAVE SHARED WITH YOU. I WANT TO REINFORCE A COUPLE OF THINGS QUICKLY. THESE ARE MY OPEN HEART THOUGHTS TO YOU GUYS. I DON'T THINK THAT -- TELL ME YOUR NAME AGAIN. >> TAO. >> THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING MR. WALDRUP. WE NEED DEVELOPMENTERS, AND THAT IS A PRIME PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR VISION. WHAT I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT IS NOT ABOUT US AGAINST THE DEVELOPER. BECAUSE IF WE ARE -- IF WE ARE ANYTHING. WE ARE FIRST ABILENIANS, AND THEN HOMEOWNERS, ABILENIANS AND THEN DEVELOPERS, ABILENIANS AND THEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND I THINK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY BEST FOR ALL OF US, AND I WILL SAY THREE THINGS, AND MUCH OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID AND MAYBE JUST REINFORCEMENT THAT TO YOU GUYS. I THINK THAT THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD HELP US HAVE A WIN/WIN SITUATION, SO IT IS GOOD FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND US, AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PROPOSE THAT HAD WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC THAT COMES ONTO LAKESIDE. AND I THINK THAT MAPLE IS A BETTER STREET FOR THAT, IT'S A SAFER DESIGN. IT'S WHAT'S BEST FOR ANDREAE IF WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC GO THAT WAY AND NOT TO LAKESIDE. I HOPE THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS. THE FENCE THAT YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OLDHAM LANE, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT CALLED OLDHAM OAKS, NEXT TO OLDHAM FORBES, AND IT IS IN PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW. AND THE DEVELOPER HAS BUILT A BEAUTIFUL, CAN ESTHETIC FENCE, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU GUYS DID THAT, THINK I THAT WOULD BE VERY NICE, IF WE JUST MAKE THAT A VERY NICE SUBDIVISION THAXTON THAT HE IS AT THE TIME I CAN APPEAL. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT MIGHT BRING ABOUT THIS WIN/WIN, BECAUSE WHAT IF THE LOTS, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS, AND I MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PER SQUARE FOOT IN TERMS OF SOME PROFIT THAT'S MADE THERE, AND SO IF IT'S INSTEAD OF 5,000, IF IT WAS 10,000, IF THE PROFIT WAS THE SAME, AND THOSE LOTS BECAME THAT SIZE, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE OLDHAM OAKS, AND THERE'S A COMPATIBLE NECESSARY WITH ABC 33/40, THOSE THREE PROPOSALS AS A GROUP OF HOMEOWNERS WANT TO BE A PART OF US WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER AND I THINK THIS WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. GOD'S BLESSINGS ON EACH OF YOU. I PRAY THAT HE WILL GRANT YOU THE WISDOM FOR ALL OF THE TOUGH DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. THE. >> THE NEXT CARD IS SANDI RAINWATER. SHE DOESN'T WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SHE WANTS ME TO RECORD HER SUPPORT FOR, AND OPPOSITION TO NUMBER 24, I DON'T KNOW WHICH IT IS. >> THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE CARD FOR THE WAY TODAY HAS GONE. SO THANKS FOR THAT. GLENN RUST SELL BEARD, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? >>. >> GOOD MORNING, I WILL MANY HERE, BECAUSE I LIVE ON HOLDING THE /* ALTHAM LANE, IN THE LEE LOTS CLOSEST TO IT WE'VE HAD THREE ACCIDENTS ONE FATALITY. THE MOST RECENT MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT WAS HIT THE CORNER POST OF MY FENCE WHICH WAS ABOUT A FOOTAGE A HALF DIAMETER STEEL BURIED FOUR FEET DEEP IN CONCRETE. BY THE HIT IT WITH A SUBCOMPACT, AND TOOK IT OUT OF THE GROUND. NOW HE WASN'T THE FATALITY INCREDIBLY ENOUGH. WALKED AWAY FROM IT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CATCH HIM UNTIL LATER. SO THERE WAS NO BLOOD TEST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT HE HIT HIM SO HARD HE THREW HIS RADIATE OR ACROSS THE CREEK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BANK THAT RUNS INTO CONCERN HERE IS -- NOW MY NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN SMART. HE PUT IN ON HIS PROPERTY HE'S GOT A BUNCH OF ROCKS, AND IT LOOKS NICE AND EVERYTHING. AND THE ROCKS, SO FAR THOSE STONES ARE UNDEFEATED WHEN IT COMES TO WRECKS. THEY HAVEN'T LOST A WRECK YET. IT'S TORN UP THE CARS, BUT THE [02:30:02] STONES ARE STILL THERE. ONE OF THOSE WAS A PICKUPUP THAT HIT THE ROCKS, STONES, AND FLIPPED OVER THE BROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT HE HAD ON TOP OF THE STONES. SO WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC PROBLEM THERE ON OLDHAM. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY SEE THE SITE CAN'T GO IN THERE AND WIDEN IT OR PUT IN A BIN OF OF STUFF OR DO OTHER THINGS THAT IT MIGHT OTHERWISE ON A CITY STREET. WE HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING MUCH RESPONSE FROM TKDOT, AND SO THEY HAVE TRIED PUTTING UP SIGNS, THERE WERE CURVE SIGNS. >> THEY LASTED A WEEK AND A HALF. >> AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAS THE UTILITY DROPS THERE IN FRONT OF HIS FENCE CLOSE TO THE -- IT'S NOT CLOSE TO IT. IT'S BETWEEN HIS FENCE AND OLLIDHAM HE LOSES ALL OF HIS PHE SERVICES AND UTILITIES. MY CONCERN IN REGARD TO THIS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT LET'S DON'T LET THE TRAFFIC GO DOWN LAKESIDE. HAVING IT FUNNEL OUT OF 21ST WILL CREATE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM TOO. BECAUSE WHEN THAT TRAFFIC ENDS UP ON OLDHAM IT MULTIPLIES ALL OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON OLDHAM WHICH IT ALREADY HAS, MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAN IT CAN BE HANDLE. AND SO THIS AREA THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED NOT AS A HIGH DENSITY BUT A LOW DENSITY AREA, POPULATION WISE, WITH OLDHAM, WHEN I WAS A KID, ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT DROVE ON OLDHAM WAS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED OUT THERE. IT WAS A COUNTRY ROAD, AND NOBODY TRAVELED ON IT MUCH. AND NOW IT IS IN CONSTANT USE EVERY DAY, AT HIGH SPEEDS, NOT JUST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE, BUT FROM THE FOLKS WHO WERE GOING ON OUT TO GET ON 3:22, OR HEADED OUT OF THERE TO GO ON OUT OF THE CITY. SO DUMPING THE TRAFFIC OUT ON SOUTH 21 IS GOING TO INCREASE THOSE PROBLEMS, AND SOUTH 21ST EITHER NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED AS AN EXIT FROM THAT SUBDIVISION, AND IT NEEDS TO BE DUMPED OUT ON MAPLE OR SOME OTHER SOLUTION NEEDS TO COME UP WITH -- NEED TO BECOME UP WITH, LIKE LOWER PROPERTY DENSITY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ALREADY, AND PART OF IT CAN'T BE FIXED ON THE STATE HIGHWAY UNLESS WE GO ON BENDED KNEE TO THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ STATE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. . >>ANCHOR: JANE VARNER, BEARD WHICH IS TO STATE HER STRONG OPPOSITION, AND THAT'S ALL OF THE CARD. >> WE ARE STILL OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK OR COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD? YOUR NAME PLEASE >> MY NAME IS MERLIN MANN, I'VE BEEN I LIVE ON LYTLE SHOWERS, IF THEY WOULD LIKELY TURN ON TO LYTLE SHOWERS DRIVES TO GET OVER TO OLDHAM, AND OLDHAM IS VERY DANGEROUS, THERE'S A LOT OF FAST TRAFFIC THERE. BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TRAFFIC ONTOLIZE SHOWERS, AND THAT IS A CURVED STREET. YOU CANNOT SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN IT. IT IS A NARROW STREET. WHEN CARS PARK ON BOTH SEEDS OF THE ROAD, AS THEY DO, OVERNIGHT, AND CERTAINLY IN THE LATE AFTERNOON, AND EVENING. WHEN PEOPLE ARE HOME FROM WORK. FREQUENTLY WE CANNOT PASS TWO VEHICLES AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY GOES BY. WELL, IF YOU SUDDENLY INCREASE THAT TRAFFIC BY 50 OR 100 VEHICLES A DAY. IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE [02:35:02] DANGEROUS, AND THE WOMAN WHO SPOKE EARLIER WITH THE CHILDREN LIVE ON THAT STREET WE FREQUENTLY SLOW DOWN FOR THOSE VERY KIDS. SO I AM NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. BUT I TO THINK THAT IT'S A LOT FOR THAT SUBDIVISION TO BE ABLE TO EMPTY OUT ONTO LAKE SIDE DRIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, DAVID SPORT AGAIN. I DON'T HAVE A DOG OR FIGHT IN THE RACE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DID THE YOU HAVERENCE BETWEEN LAKESIDE DRIVE OR NOT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHIEF IS STILL H HERE, BUT I AM SURE THAT JUST BY THINKING ABOUT IT, WE WOULD HAVE STATION 2, 3, 5, AND 1 PROBABLY RESPOND TO INCIDENTS OUT IN THAT AREA. I WOULD LIKE IF THE CHIEF IS STILL HERE, EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S AGREES, WOULD BE AND WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THIS ACCESS, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LAKESIDE DRIVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR THAT -- ONE OF THOSE ENGINE COMPANIES OR LADDER COMPANIES TO COME IN. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. DEPUTY JOHN BURNETT. CHIEF NOR HE IS IS OUT SICK TODAY. SO I AM STANDING IN FOR HIM. TO JUST ANSWER MR. SHORT'S QUESTION. >> LAKESIDE DRIVE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT GO TO THE SOUTH AND CONNECT WITH SOUTH 27TH, AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS BRIEFLY AND TRYING TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION CORRECTLY WITH THE LITTLE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOUTH 21ST OR GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO BARRY, OR PROCEEDING DOWN 27 AND MAPLE AND THOSE ARE THE ACCESS POINTS. THE GREAT THING THAT WE DO HAVE IS OUR AVL, LOCATERS AND OUR VEHICLE MAPPING AND THOSE WILL GIVE US THE BEST ROUTES NO MATTER HOW THIS IS DEVELOPED AND LAIDOUT AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO OVERCOME, ANTICIPATE AND THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT WE TRAIN TO ACCESS THESE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPED OF AND SO THEREFORE, FROM A FIREFIGHTER STANDPOINT WE ARE GOING TO FIND THE BEST ROUTE NO MATTER WHAT OF ARE YOUR DECISION IS HERE TODAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS AREA WILL BE THAT IMPACTED COMING FROM ANY OF THOSE ROUTES, WHETHER LAKESIDE IS ACCESSIBLE OR NOT IN MY OPINION. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS GREG BRYNNER AT 642 TAMMY COURT. MY PROPERTY ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO LAKESIDE DRIVE. SO I DO GET TO SEE THE TRAFFIC ON A DAILY BASIS AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS MENTIONED. BASICALLY SINCE COVID WHEN THE STATE SCHOOL REROUTED THEIR ENTRANCE OUR TRAFFIC BACK THERE HAS INCREASED IMMENSELY, AND YOU JUST CAN'T EVER FIND A TIME THAT YOU DON'T MEET TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. SO WHEN I SEEN THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING A ROAD COMING OFF ONTO LAKESIDE AS WELL, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID IT WOULD BE VERY TRUE. IT WOULD BE JUST BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY PUT UP SLOW DOWN SIGNS, AND AS MENTIONED, IF TRAFFIC IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T GET TWO VEHICLES THROUGH AS IT IS ALREADY. SO INCREASING MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA WOULD BE A TERRIBLE THING >> SO THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. ANOTHER CONCERN THAT OF IS THAT HAVE A RESEARCH FIVE THE IT, WE DON'T HAVE A RESEARCH 5 IN ABILENE CURRENTLY THIS HE ARE PROPOSING THAT IT'S A RS2015 - 6, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE DIAMETERS OF IT TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. WHY DON'T WE CALL A HORSE A DONG YOU, OR WHY DON'T WE JUST CALL A CAR A TRUCK. WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE, RULES IN PLACE FOR A REASON. WHY ARE WE RENAMING THINGS REDOING THINGS THAT AREN'T WHAT THEY ARE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO I AM FOR PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED OVER THERE. HAD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOMES MORE THE SIZE OF EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND US. >> SINCE THE PROPERTY HAS TORN DOWN THE FENCE THAT WAS THERE, WHICH WASN'T MUCH, AND IT WAS A [02:40:03] LOT OF BRUSH, MY WIFE HAS ALREADY RAN INTO AN INCIDENT FROM PEOPLE COMING ACROSS SOMEBODY IN TOTAL BLACK JUMPED OUT AT HER. SO HAVING THAT FENCE THERE I THINK IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY SEEING INCREASED CRIME RATE COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE DIVISION THAT'S ALREADY BEING BEING PUT UP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOW JUST A THOROUGHFARE. SO WHEN MY WIFE GETS ATTACKED, I GET CONCERNED. AND MORE TRAFFIC, MORE SUBSTANDARD HOMES, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT IT, SMALLER PROPERTIES, JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE CLOSER TO WHAT IT'S LIKE ALREADY. THAT'S REALLY IT. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> HI GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY, HOGE, I LIVE AT 744 LYTLE SHOWERS, AND I OWN 7058 ON LYTLE SHOWERS. >> TRAFFIC IS INTENSE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT GENTLEMAN, THOSE HOUSES ARE TINY, THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. >> THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOW INCOME HOUSES IN THAT AREA. >> WHICH AGAIN, WE NEED THEM. THEY JUST DON'T MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS THERE. THE CONCERN IS CRIME IN THE FUTURE, TEN YEARS, WEEK ARE PUTTING DOWN ROOTS HERE, WE LIKE OUR HOUSE, WE HAVE FOUR CHILDREN LIKE ROBIN WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM HER, AND OUR CHILDREN RUN BACK AND FORTH. THOSE HOUSES DON'T MIRROR ANYTHING CHOSE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MATCH WHAT IS THERE. LOW DENSITY OBVIOUSLY SEEMS TO BE APPROPRIATE. COMING TO LAKE SIDE, ALL OF THAT, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION TRUTHFULLY, AND PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THERE ALREADY NOW, AS FAR AS ACCESS TO THE SCHOOLS, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT YET, BUT THESE SCHOOLS ARE TINY IN THAT AREA. >> THOMAS IS A SMALL SCHOOL THAT ALREADY HAS HAD A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE TEACHER SHORTAGES THAT ARE THERE. THIS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT PROBLEM CLEARLY. SAME WITH THE OTHER SCHOOL, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, SAME SAME, VERY SMALL SCHOOL. THEY ARE BUILDING BUT NOT A LOT OF GROWTH THAT CAN HAPPEN THERE. SO LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUT DOWN ROOTS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD COME IN, SAME STYLE. HEARD ABOUT POTENTIALLY APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND DUPLEXES AND ALL OF THAT. IT JUST LEADS TO RENTERS AND PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE TO PUT DOWN ROOTS. I THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE HOMES THEY LOOK LIKE TWO BEDROOM HOUSE US. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO STAY IN FUTURE. HOUSES AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. >> AND I GET IT, IT'S ABOUT CASH. >> AND TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT. FROM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS I'VE READ, ABILENE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO PLENTY OF SUNSHINE AND PRESERVE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED AND WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO THE SAME THING HERE, IT'S IN ALL OF THE CHARGES THAT YOU PUT OUT, ALL OF THE LITTLE LITERATURE THAT YOU PUT IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. >> LET'S PRESERVE THE VIBE THAT WE'VE GOT GOING. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HRJ MY NAME IS PAUL I LIVE IN OLDHAM FORBES DIVISION. JUST TWO COMMENTS. THE FIRST COMMENT IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION, IN THE PROPOSAL FOR THE PLANNED SUCH DIVISION THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT IF THE ASK IS DENIED THE APPLICANT CAN DEVELOP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE 23 ACRES, ZONED (MD). QUOTE. AND IF I LOOK AT THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATION FORCE MEDIUM DENSITY WHICH IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. MEDIUM DENSITY TALKS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY,ING DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, QUADRAPLEX, AND TOWN HOUSE, THERE'S NOTHING IN MEDIUM DENSITY THAT DEALS WITH [02:45:02] APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THAT'S IN A LATER, TOTALLY SEPARATELY ZONED DIVISION FOR MULTIPLE FAMILIAR LETTER, MF, AS OPPOSED TO (MD). SO I GUESS YOU COULD PUT ME DOWN FOR OPPOSED, BUT IF IT IS DENIED. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE APARTMENT COMPLEX AS A DEFAULT USE MEDIUM DENSITY BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE ZONING. MY SECOND COMMENT DEALS WITH AGAIN TRAFFIC, AND I AM NOT GOING TO ADD TO SOME OF THE COMMENT THAT DEAL WITH TRAFFIC ON GOING THROUGH OLDHAM FORBES OR BENT TREE, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE SSRLC, THE STATE STARTED LIVING CENTER. AS YOU DO KNOW AFTER COVID, THEY MADE LAKESIDE THE MAIN ANSWER THE ENTRANCE TO THE SSLC, AND EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SOME GATES ON MAPLE THEY MOSTLY REMAIN CLOSED OR ARE USED ONLY FOR EXIT. AND IN DISCUSSION WITH SSRLC THEY SAID THAT THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE USING THEIR ENTRANCE ON LAKESIDE AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. AND WELL IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THAT, AND YOU NOTICE LAKESIDE FEEDS RIGHT INTO THE ENTRANCE TO THE STATE SCHOOL, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAN, WHERE THEY HAVE THAT PLANNED EXIT, ONTO LAKESIDE FROM THE DIVISION, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THE STATE SCHOOL IS ON LAKESIDE. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE CONVERGING WHICH IS NOT SAFE. AND THEN YOU GET THE QUANTITY OF THE TRAFFIC ITSELF, AND AGAIN IN A DISCUSSION WITH SSRLC THEY SAID CURRENTLY THEY HAVE 865 PERMITS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES'S CARS, 865 CARS. THEY ARE WANTING TO ADD ANOTHER 300 EMPLOYEES, THAT'S WELL OVER A THOUSAND VEHICLES, THAT WOULD BE USING THAT ON MULTIPLE SHIFTS DAILY, ON TUESDAY, MORNING I ACTUALLY PARKED ON THE SIDE OF LAKESIDE AND IN 2, 10 MINUTE BLOCKS RIGHT BEFORE 8 O'CLOCK, THERE WERE WELL OVER 100 DHARS CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN LAKESIDE RIGHT DOWN INTO THE STATE SCHOOL. IN JUST THOSE 210 MINUTE BLOCKS, OVER 100 CARS, AND SO REGARDLESS OF HOW WIDE IT IS, AND WHETHER IT'S WIDEN END, AND DEVELOPED, AND LAKE SIDE IS WIDER THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE QUANTITY OF THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, AND THE FACT THAT THE EXIT FROM THE DIVISION IS ALMOST RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE CARS, AND WHEN I WAS COUNTING THOSE CARS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY LINING UP, LINING UP ON LAKESIDE WAITING TO GET BACKED UP, THEY WERE BACKING UP ENOUGH AT CERTAIN POINTS IN TIME, THAT IT BACKED UP PAST WHERE THAT ACTUALLY EXIT TO LAKESIDE WOULD BE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. >> THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN, I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR KRULL. THOS SSRLC. THOSE ARE SOME FACTS THAT COUNCIL NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING TO YOU. I AM GORDON DOWELL. I LIVE AT SEVEN ] AT LYTLE SHOWERS DRIVE. I AM HERE TO SPEAK PRIMARILY TO THAT AREA OF LYTLE SHORES, AND I FACE ONTO THAT STREET. >> I AM ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THAT STREET, AND I HAVE ONE PERSON- RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE FURTHER PROBABLE DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS GOING ON WHICH WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO EAST OF US, AND ALL OF THE HOUSING THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED THERE IS THE TRAFFIC FLOW INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ONTO OUR STREET [02:50:02] THE SOUTH ROAD, OLDHAM LANE, AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OBVIOUSLY IS THE INCREASED DETRIMENT TO THE STREET IN TERMS OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO STREETS. WE DO NOT HAPPEN TO HAVE A HOME GROUP THAT IS ORGANIZED TO KEEP OUR STREET REPAIRED TO THE BEST LEVEL, AND IF ONE TRAVELS THAT, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO THE ASPHALT AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO AGREE TO DO SOMETHING IF THEY ARE NOT FORCED TO DO IT. I TRIED THAT ONE TIME. I WASN'T TRYING TO FORCE IT BUT TRYING TO GET AGREEMENT THAT WE COULD RESURFACE THAT OF AND IT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN ADDED EXPENSE. MY MOST LIMITED CONCERN IS THE AREA DIRECTLY -- OUR PROPERTY, OUR PROPERTY AND THE HOUSE JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, OUR DRIVEWAY COMES OUT ONTO THE STREET, COMES OUT TO -- WE HAVE TO BACK OUT TO GET ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TURNAROUND SPACE, WITH TWO CARS, WE DON'T HAVE TURNAROUND SPACE TO DO ANYTHING BUT BACK OUT. WHEN WE DO THAT INTO A LIMITED AREA, BECAUSE IT IS ONLY ONE CAR LENGTH BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY, THE SOUTH HIGHWAY, AND OUR DRIVEWAY WHEN ONE BACKS OUT. SO WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO WAIT TO BACK OUT. NOT VERY OFTEN, BUT WE DO, PARTICULARLY HEAVIER TRAFFIC FLOWS HIKE IN THE MORNING AND SO FORTH, AND THEREFORE, OVER TRAFFIC -- IF THERE'S 3 OR 4 CARS, AND THERE'S EVEN THREE EVEN, WE WAIT. THAT'S NO MAJOR PROBLEM. WE WAIT THAT LENGTH OF TIME WITH LITTLE PROBLEM. BU BUT TRAFFIC FLOW EAST OF US WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON, AND FURTHER OR MORE FLOW THROUGH WHIFBERRING OAKS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A POSSIBLE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE, IN TERMS OF BACKING OUT, AND GETTING ONTO OUR WHI WHICH IS PERKING OAKS, GET OUT MORE QUICKLY. I CAN ENVISION SEVERAL CARS]. I THAT DEVELOPING COMING EAST ON THAT -- REALLY IT'S ONLY ABOUT PROBABLY A HALF A MILE, I THINK THAT IT'S 9 OR 10 HOUSES ALONG WHICH IS PERKING OAKS, OVER TO OLDHAM LANE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS KAREN ISSUE, WHERE'VE HAS ADDRESSED THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. BUT UH ACTI ACTUALLY WALKED THRH SOME OF THESE HOUSES. I WAS AMAZED WITH HOW QUICKLY THEY WERE BUILDING THESE HOUSES, THREW THE WOOD, AND THEN THEY WERE UP, HIKE IN DAYS, THEY WERE LIKE BOOM BOOM BOOM, AND I WALKED THROUGH SOME OF THEM, AND [02:55:05] MY CONCERN IS NUMBER ONE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE HAVING MORE CHILDREN, WHICH YOU ARE INTERSECTION GOING TO BE VOTING ON EXPANDING THOMAS AND AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT IT IS. AND THAT WILL BE AN ADDED EXPENSE TO THOSE, YOU ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE SCHOOLS BEING CRAMMED. SO THAT WILL BE THAT ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. AND MY CONCERN ALSO THE QUALITY OF THESE HOMES. HAD YOU STATED, AND THEN YOU KIND OF STOPPED, AND DIDN'T GO THAT DIRECTION. YOU MENTIONED HIGH QUALITY, AND THEN YOU KIND OF LIKE DIVERT FROM THAT, AND USED A DIFFERENT WORDING AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE YOU SEEN THE QUALITY OF THEM. AND I AM WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE FEELING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUALITY OF PEOPLE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE. THEY ARE MOSTLY TO BE RENTERS. I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY THESE HOMES AS INVESTMENT PROPERTIES. AND I THINK THAT WITHIN TEN YEARS AND NO OFFENSE, TO ANYBODY IN LYTLE SHORES SOUTH, BUT LYTLE SHORES SOUTH NOW JUST LOOKS LIKE A TRASH ZONE, AND I AM CONCERNED. >> I LIVE ON CAMRY, AND LYTLE SHORES. >> SO MY TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BEHEADING BOTH WAY, AND MY FENCE IS BACKED UP TO THAT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS RENTAL PROPERTIES. SO THEY WON'T BE WATERING, THEY WON'T BE KEEPING UP THEIR TRASH. THEY WILL BE HAVING CARS REBUILDING IN THE DRIVEWAYS. AND IN NO TIME, IT'S NOT -- ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A HOA THAT WILL CONTROL THINGS IN THIS FACILITY? YOU ALSO MENTION THAT THERE ARE TWO EXITS FROM THE PLACE NOW TO BARRY. THERE'S ONLY ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SECOND -- UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS ONE ON MAPLE THAT I AM NOT AWARE YOU HAVE. BUT THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS SAVANNAH OAKS, AND THAT'S IT SO FAR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS GOING TO BE TWO ONTO BARRY. I THINK THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BARRY, AND ALL ITS EXCESS TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT TOO IS A NARROW ROAD. BASICALLY, TRAFFIC HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED ENOUGH. SO THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANT TO SAY. >> THE I WANT TO RESPOND TO ONE THING. THE EXCEPTION OF THE SCHOOLS WON'T COME TO US, IT WILL GO TO RODNEY BUT IT WON'T COME TO US. >> [LAUGHTER]. >> BETTER GET UP TO SPEED ON THAT RODNEY. >> AND THOSE HOMES TO BE PERMITTED AND INSPECT HE HAD. AND THEY ARE BUILT BY BUILDING STANDARDS, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ON THAT. YES, MA'AM. >> I AM DIERDRA SIMMONS, AND THIS IS MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO -- I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS COMING FROM, JEFF WOULD BE HERE, EXCEPT HE'S OUT OF TOWN. I LIKE TO FLY UNDER THE RADAR, BUT HE IS NOT HERE. I WILL SPEAK FOR US BOTH. WE OWN TWO HOMES ON BENT TREE, BETWEEN LOVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT MR. RAINWATER, AND WHAT MR. BEARD SAID. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT. WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE APARTMENTS, INFILL, THAT'S GREAT. JEFF AND I ARE SO WE ARE NOT NIMB, PEOPLE, NOT IN MY BACKYARD. DID YOU HEAR THAT THERE'S A HEARD OF 18 DEER WHO ARE GOING TO BE HOMELESS. WE HAVE 18 DEER THAT LIVE THERE. PEOPLE BEFORE DEER. THE STATE SCHOOL TRAFFIC ISSUES, AND THE SMALL LANE ISSUE ON LAKESIDE, THE SAFETY FOR THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOL CHILDREN, THE TRAFFIC, THE COMPARABLE HOMES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU HAVE 0 CRIME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW. AND WE LOVE IT. AND SO ALL OF THAT BEING SAID. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THE ISSUES, AND I AM TRUSTING YOU DISTO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. >> >> ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MY NAME IS MILA, DOMINGUEZ, AND I WILL YOU HAVE IN THE AREA JUST NORTHEAST OF THIS. AND I AM CONCERNED, I WOULD PREFER THAT THE AREA MATCHED THE DEVELOPMENTS NEARBY H BUT I [03:00:05] WOULD VASTLY PREFER SINGLE FAMILY TO APARTMENTS. SO WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE SOME GIVE AND TAKE THERE. I KNOW THAT THEY KEEP REPEATING THAT THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT ALREADY. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE MY SAY TOO. I WOULD PREFER THAT IT NOT COME THROUGH THE LAKESIDE, THAT WOULD MAKE MY STREET A THOROUGHFARE TO OLDHAM LANE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IF IT'S NOT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU GOING TO DRIVE FAST TO GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SPEEDING ON THESE WINDY ROADS ON THIS SMALL QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WILL BE DANGEROUS, AND I AM GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT HE WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TODAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? TAO, AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER AGAIN. I WERB I COULD ADDRESS EVERYONE'S COMMENTS, IN SOME FASHION, I DON'T THINK THAT I HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO. I AMHAPPY TO MEET WITH ANYONE AFTER THE MEETING REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE DECISION FALLS. I WILL STEP OUTSIDE AND YOU CAN ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE. BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THOUGHT OF, THAT I THINK THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT YOU WILL NEED TO ADDRESS AS YOU START CONTEMPLATING THIS. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ACCESS ONTO LAKESIDE DRIVE, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE NO ACCESS FROM A DRIVEWAY STANDPOINT AS WELL. BECAUSE I GUESS TECHNICALLY YOU GUYS COULD SAY OKAY. NO ACCESS OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ONTO LAKESIDE DRIVE, BUT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO CONTEMPLATE WHETHER LOTS COULD FACE LAKESIDE DRIVE. THERE WOULDN'T BE VERY MANY. DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU CHOOSE, BUT THEY TECHNICALLY CONFRONT. THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CONTEMPLATE IT WHEN YOU ALL TALK IT THROUGH, IT COULD BE MISSED. AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC. I GET THAT, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS CONTEMPLATE ALL OF THOSE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO LIMIT THE ACCESS TO LAKESIDE YOU PROBABLY WANT TO PUT IT IN A WAY THAT YOU LIMIT THE DRIVES AS WELL, WHEN RE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A FRONTAL LOT THERE. IT WOULD NEED TO BE INTERNAL. AND ALSO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAD HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME FOR A LONG TILE ABOUT IMPROVING PORTIONS OF ROADS AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IT IS. WE ARE TASKED WITH WIDENING THE ROAD TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS. THIS ROAD OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T, AND SO SCABBING]. AND ALSO I THINK THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT MAPLE STREET WILL BE PROVED. IT'S A MAJOR PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS UNDERTAKING. ALL THE WAY FROM FM, 707 TO SOUTHEAST 77, FROM NOT 707, BUT PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL TO EAST SOUTH 11. SO I REALLY SEE. I KNOW THAT MR. BEARD MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I LIVE OUT THAT DIRECT, SO I DRIVE THAT RHODA LOT, AND I AGREE. BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN MAPLE IS IMPROVED, I WOULD EXPECT A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO BE PULLED OFF OF OLDHAM CERTAINLY THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL THAT IS OUR INTENT FOR THE MAIN ENTRY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, THANK YOU >> ANYONE ELSE? >> DID I MENTION -- YOU SAID DRIVEWAYS COULD BACK ON TO LAKESHORE? >> WE WILL GET INTO THAT IN OUR DISCUSSION >> WE WERE TOLD IN THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WOULD BE FENCED ALL THE WAY, SO THE DRIVEWAY [03:05:02] WOULD NOT BACK UP ONTO. >> HE'S SAYING THAT WE DON'T CONSIDER MAKING DRIVEWAYS ONTO THE MAIN ROAD WAY. >> ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL? >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE THE ONE WITH THE ACTUAL STREET LAYOUT IN THE PROPOSED PLAN. >> NO, THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE CONTRACT ONE, TRACT TWO WORDING AND IT'S GOT THE STREET LAYOUT. >> ARE IT'S GOT THE COLORS ON THIS ONE >> THIS ONE? >> YEAH, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHTHAND SIDE. THIS IS A HOMEOWNER THAT WALKS MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE MORNING, NOT HAVING THAT STREET CONNECT MAKES THOSE PROPERTIES EVEN MORE VALUABLE TO ME. BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT WALKING AND YOU KNOW THAT NO ONE IS COMING DOWN THERE, UNLESS THEY LIVE RIGHT THERE. I AM SUPPORT OF I HAVE OF WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR BY THE PROBLEM OWN EENT, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE HAVE A FORMTAL DISCONNECT AND STANLEY, I DON'T KNOW SINCE THAT'S IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC WORDING THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT WE EVER OF OVERRIDING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FENCING REQUIREMENT THAT GOES FROM THE NORTH TO SOUTH PROPERTY FROM LAKESIDE DRIVE AND NO CONNECTIONS EITHER STREET OR DRIVEWAY ONTO LAKESIDE. >> APPLE WILL RESPOND TO THAT IN TWO WAYS >> THE CHANGING THE COMP PLAN, OR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, ZONING HAS TO GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN. I AM TRYING TO SCRAP BELL OUT AND SEE IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT. I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT. SO PDS GENERALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT STRETCHES. SO I CAN'T REALLY GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, WE CAN GO AMEND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND THAT HE NOT BEFORE US, WHETHER THIS PD STREET HAS TO FOLLOW THE COMEPLAN STRICTLY, AND THE CODE DOES SAY THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY, AND I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THIS SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THIS GOES. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL CAN WE TAKE ACTION TODAY OR DO YOU NEED TIME TO RESEARCH IT. >> YOU CAN TAKE ACTION TODAY AND I CAN RESEARCH IT LATER ON. AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO LATER ON, AND RESEARCH IT AND MAKE A DECISION LATER ON, CAN I JUST DON'T HAVE A LEGAL ANSWER FOR THAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE NOT FOUND IT. >> BECAUSE IF WE MAKE A DECISION TODAY, AND THEN YOU DETERMINE THAT WE CAN'T LEGALLY MAKE THAT DECISION, THEN WHAT WOULD THAT DO? WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND OUT NOTICES AND KIND OF RESTART SOME OF THIS? >> IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE EFFECT OF THAT IS. DOES IT VOID THE ORDINANCE, DOES IT MAKE IT VOIDABLE. ARE THEIR PENALTIES? THOSE ARE ANSWERS I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. ID IT WOULD NEED TO BE REDON, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND IT AGAIN. >> LOOKING TO YOU FOR LEGAL ADVICE, DO WE NEED TO TABLE THIS SO THAT YOU CAN GET THOSE ANSWERS? >> RELICT I CANNOT GIVE YOU DEFINITIVE ANSWERS SITTING UP HERE. I AM TALKING TO MY ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHO DOES PLANNING, AND SHE'S BEEN LOOKING AND BEST THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH IN LOOKING AT THE CODE THE PD GENERALLY HAS TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HOW FAR THAT GOES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE AMENDED STREET THOROUGH FAIRS'S FOR PDS BEFORE OR IF WE'VE AMENDED THE THOROUGHFARES ON SITE PLANS. PLANNING MAY HAVE BETTER INSIGHT ON THAT. >> THE I WILL SPEAK FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS THE CITY WORK, WHAT COUNCIL IS AN I PROVING IS A CONCEPT PLAN. IT IS A DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO REMOVE THAT ROAD FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN. YOU CAN COME BACK AT A LATER DATE IF IT'S REQUIRED TO, AND AMEND THE COMP PLAN, AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. WE CAN'T AMEANT THOSE TODAY. THAT'S NOT UP FOR CONSIDERATION AS STANLEY HAS INDICATED FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, SPEAKING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT WOULD BE I THINK GOOD TO BE ABLE TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, APPROVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY FEEL IS APPROPRIATE TODAY, AND THEN ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO RESEARCH THAT. IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK, WE CAN TAKE FURTHER ACTION. BUT IT WOULD BE TAKING FURTHER ACTION IN CONSIDERATION OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU ALL WOULD APPROVE TODAY. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEGOTIATOR RHASH WHAT'S IN THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU ALL WOULD APPROVE. IT WOULD BE COMING BACK AND DOTTING I'S, AND CROSSING T'S, I AM HOPE FILL WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT STANLEY MAKES THAT [03:10:01] DECISION, IT'S HIS JOB. >> I JUMPED IN. I DON'T WANT TO CUT OFF ANYONE ELSE'S DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GOING. >> BEFORE I CAMP ON COUNCIL, ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT I CAME TO WAS, AND I'VE FORGOTTEN THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN OLDHAM LANE THAT HAS THE BIG LONG FENCE, WHAT IS THAT ONE CALLED. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL. >> MANY OLDHAM OAKS >> SO I REMEMBER SEEINITTING OU THERE, AND THAT DISCUSSION WAS COMING UP AND STORMY HIGGINS WHO USED TO SIT IN THIS CHAIR ACTUALLY GOT ALL OF THE PARTIES TO GO OUT IN THE HALL, TALKED ABOUT IT, CAME BACK, AND HAD AN AGREEMENT AING AND ONE OF THE AGREEMENTS WAS THAT FENCE AND EVERYTHING. I AM GRATEFUL TO THE CITIZENS HERE WHO ARE WILLING TO COMING TO, AND VISIT ABOUT THIS. I THINK THAT THE MAJOR CONCERN, AND THERE ARE MANY MANY CONCERNS BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD THE MAJOR CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC FLOW ONTO LAKE SIDE. I THINK THAT AND THANK YOU TO TAO, AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE COMING TO, WE CAN GIVE A LITTLE HERE, AND A LITTLE HERE, AND IF WE CAN GO NEGATE THAT ACCESS TO LAKESIDE, AND THEN WITH THE NEXT CONCEPT PLAN, MAKE A WAY FOR THAT TOP ROAD TO COME AROUND A LITTLE FURTHER SO THEY ARE NOT BACKING ONTO LAKESIDE. I THI I THINK THERE'S A GOOD COMPROMISE THERE. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN HERE, AND THE E MANY MALES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, YOU ARE RIGHT IS GREAT. AND RODNEY I DO HOPE THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT A NEW SCHOOL, I HOPE THAT ABILENE GROWS LIKE THAT. BETTER YOU THAN ME. I DO WANT TO APPRECIATE THAT. I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW NOT EVERYONE GETS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT BUT NOT EVERYONE LOSTS EVERYTHING. IT IS A COMPROMISE HERE THAT WEEK MITIGATE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW ONTO LAKESIDE WHICH I THINK IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAVE. H I WANT TO SAY THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT APARTMENTS. IT CAN BE 12 CONTINUOUS UNITS. SO IF YOU BUILTOUT ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE 240 UNITS ON THAT MIDDLE SECTION ALONE. THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAVE IS ABOUT 177 AT THE MOST OR A BALLPARK. ABOUT 177 TOTAL UNITS ON BOTH TRACTS OF THOSE LANDS. >> AND I FEEL LIKE THIS PROTECT THAT FROM GETTING TOO MANY MANY UNITS IN THAT AREA. I FEEL LIKE WITH THESE SINGLE FAMILY AND NOT THE MEDIUM DENSITY THAT IT ACTUALLY LOWERS THE UNIT COUNT, AND THE IMPACT THERE. >> WEAPON IT WOULD DEPEND ON MY VOTE ON WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS ACCESS TO RIVERSIDE. >> LAKESIDE. >> LASER NOT. IT WOULD BE IN THE MOTION, >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY ACCESS TO 21ST. >> AM I LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT? >> THIS IS 21ST RIGHT THERE. >> I KNOW THAT. >> SO IF THERE IS NO LAKESIDE -- >> ONE OF CONCERNS WAS EMPTYING OUT ONTO 21ST. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PLAN IF LAKESIDE IS CUTOFF. THAT CONFUSE IMMEDIATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THAT. IA LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE ARE NOT ONLINE WITH WHAT OUR COMP PLAN SAYS, OR OUR LDC, PLAN, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RIGHT OR NOT. THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE UNCOMF UNCOMFORTABLE. I WOULD AS SOON BE ONLINE WITH IT, AND GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, AND NOT COME BACK AND MAKE A BUNCH OF CHANGES. >> WHAT I AM HEARING FROM YOU STANLEY, IS THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE ZONING WITH A MODIFICATION TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN IF IT YOU FIND OUT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WE CAN DO THAT SEPARATELY AND IT WOULDN'T NEGATE THIS NECESSARILY, MOST LIKELY? YOU AREN'T 100 PERCENT SURE. [03:15:02] >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND TWEAK THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S PARENTALLY IN THE WORKS, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS, IF YOU COULDN'T DO IT. EVEN IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN, IF IT WAS 100 PERCENT REQUIRED. THE LANGUAGE OF OUR CODE IS FAIRLY BROAD. THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF A PD IS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED. SO I AM LEANING TOWARDS THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY CAN, BUT I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU 100 PERCENT FOR SURE TODAY. >> WHAT WITH, THE DOWN SIDE OF JUST TAKE WILLING IT? >> THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT. >> AND IS THERE SOME URGENCY THAT IT BE DECIDED TO? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? >> THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE URGENCY BUT WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CITIZEN'S TIMES, AND THE INTEREST RATES GOING UP, SO THERE'S A TIME COST ASSOCIATED HERE WITH NOT STARTING SOON FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO EAT. AND MAKING THE RESIDENTS COME BACK IN COUNCIL MEETING -- >> HOW CAN YOU START ANYTHING? >> STOUPLY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, IF IT APPROVE THIS TODAY AND COME BACK AND CHANGE IT. IT DOESN'T PUT THE CITY IN ANY KIND OF -- I AM NIGHT AWARE OF ANY CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PENALTIES BRINGING ZONING TO ANY MATTERS. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLANNING HAS EXPERIENCED BEFORE. I MEAN I AM NOT AWARE THAT THEY'VE DON THESE BEFORE, AND THEN MODIFIED THE STREET. THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN. >> AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE DON HERE IF THE LAST CERTAIN YEARS, BECAUSE HONESTLY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS LEVEL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A STUB STREET COME UP BEFORE, BUT IN PREVIOUS CITIES, I'VE DON THIS VERY THING BEFORE THROUGH THE DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND THE COUNCIL ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. TIM OR MICHAEL, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY ORGANIZATIONTAL MEMORY THERE AT ALL? >> WHAT YOU WILL BE APPROVING IS THE CONDITIONTAL CONCEPT PLAN, WITH ACCESS ONTO A ROAD. THE THOROUGHFARE PORTION WOULD COME LATER, DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS. THAT MAY NOT COME UNTIL AFTER THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS ADOPTED AND THEN WE WOULD DEAL WITH WIDTHS, AND REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME. I DON'T THINK- I DON'T SEE ANY CONCERN WITH THE ADOPTION, IF YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONDITION OF NO ACCESS TO LAKESIDE DRIVE PERIOD. NO DRIVES, NO STREETS. . >> EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S KIND OF A CONCERN IT WILL BE WORKED OUT LATER DURING THE PROCESS, DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO THE ROAD WORK. >>I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WHAT WAS REQUESTED ORIGINALLY BY THE DEVELOPER SINCE IT WAS DENIED P AND Z, WITH A MODIFICATION THAT THERE BE A NO CONNECTION, AND THERE BE A BIG FENCE FROM THE NORTH TO SOUTH PORTION, FACING LAKESIDE DRIVE AS WELL. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT AS A PROMPT, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE DEVELOPER OFF THE HOOK FOR HELPING SUPPORT THE COST OF THE ROAD. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF MY MOTION. >> BUT YOU ARE WANTING THEM TO DEVELOP IT EVEN WITHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS; IS THAT WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING? >> TO FUND THEIR HALF OF THE IMPROVEMENT TOSS LAKESIDE AND THE CITY WOULD DO THE OTHER HALF. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. BUT THE. NOT INCLUDING IT, MEANS IT'S ALL ON THE TAXPAYERS. >> THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPER GO AHEAD AND FUND THAT HALF OF THE IMPROVEMENT THAT'S ALONG THAT STRETCH, LIKE IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED, AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AFTER TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE OTHER HALF OF THE ROAD ALONG THAT, AND TALK ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY FROM BARRY TO THE STATE COOL. WE ARE GOING OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING THING, AND THAT'S WHY I HAD -- COULDN'T GO TOO MUCH INTO ALL OF MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> UNDERSTAND. >> I GUESS IT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE STAFF WOULD BE. [03:20:01] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON HIS FUNDING PORTION, BUT HAVE IT AS PART OF A PROJECT THAT DOES IT FROM BARRY TO THE STATE SCHOOL, SOUTH 21ST. JUST TO BRING IT UP TO STANDARD. >> THAT MOTION IS THE OTHER -- I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE THERE, AND NOT ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO LAKESIDE. IF THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, AND I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME ASKING HIM TO PAY FOR HALF OF A ROAD THAT HE'S NOT USING. ANY MORE THAN ANY OTHER CITIZEN IN ABILENE. THEY ARE NOT ACCESSING HIS PROPERTY NOT ACCESSING THAT DEVELOPMENT,. >> I HAVE A MOTION, IF THERE'S NOT A SECOND, THEN SOMEONE ELSE CAN MAKE A MOTION. >> I WILL SECOND IT. >> COULD WE -- IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK TAO, IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE WILLING TO, OR IS THAT NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION >> HE IS WILLING TO. >> HE IS NOT WILLING TO. >> HE IS REQUIRED TO GIVE IT TO THE DEVELOPER. >> NO MATTER HOW WE -- OKAY I WAS JUST MAKING SURE EVEN IF WE'VE MODIFIED IT. OKAY. >> THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WHEN THAT REQUIREMENT EXISTS, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH LAKESIDE ACCESS. IF WE ARE CUTTING LAKESIDE OFF. IT'S STILL REQUIRED >> THAT'S WHATTIES WAS -- >>'S STILL REQUIRED >> CAN THEN THAT MAKES SENSE >> HAVE THERE BEEN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE HAD A -- I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NEW FOR A LOT OF US HERE, WHERE WE HAVE HAD A DEVELOPER DEVELOP A PIECE OF LAND THAT THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE STREET AND STILL MADE THEM IMROOF THE STREET? >> >> THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF ABILENE IN THE LAST 1520 YEARS, WE'VE HAD SNAPS INCIDENTS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS WERE REQUIRED TO DO ONE THING WHEN IT COMES TO DEDICATION, AND FUNDING AND IT'S SET AN I SIDE FOR SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT ROAD. WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, AND WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THE DEVELOPER WOULD PROBABLY DO THE WHOLE THING, WHICH IS WHY WE GOT TO THE PROPORTIONALITY DISCUSSION YEARS AGO WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO DO HALF. WHETHER THAT'S PROPORTIONAL OR NOT THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL HAS DECIDED PROPORTIONAL. TA IN A LOT OF THESE, AND HE CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN I CAN, AND THE CITY BY ORDINANCE AND STANLEY CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE AS PART OF THE PLATTING PROCESS; IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, STANLEY? >> YES >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TOO. >> IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES >> COUNCILMAN BEARD >> NO >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBERS. >> NO. COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. >> NO. >> COUNCILMAN ]. CONTRACT ZONING ISN'T SOMETHING [03:25:24] THAT WEEK GET INTO EITHER. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING THAT. >> I MOTIONED AND YOU SECONDED; IS THAT CORRECT? >> JUST SO I AM CLEAR, YOUR MOTION WAS SHAWNEE ORIGINAL MOTION? >> THAT ONE ALREADY FAILED. CAN YOU DO THAT? >> YOU CAN RECONSIDER THE MOTION >> LET ME RESTATE IT. SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO, CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IT DURING THIS MEETING. >> AND I VOTED NO. >> AND IF YOU VOTED NO, AND MADE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. >> AND IF THAT'S SECONDED AND APPROVED THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. >> SO WE HAVE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. >> TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION. >> I DO AGREE WITH SHANE THOUGH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US. THE ASSET IS YOU HELP FINISH THIS ROAD OUT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE ARE READY TO VOTE? >> COUNCILMAN MCALISTER, YES >> COUNCILMAN CRAVER. >> YES >> MAYOR WILLIAMS IS ABSENT. COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES >> COUNCILMAN BEARD >> NO >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBERS >> NO. MAYOR PRO TEMPS HURT. >> YES >> MOTION CARRIES. >> WILL SO NOW THE MOTION CARRIES. MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION? NOW YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVE IT >> I WILL REMAKE MY ORIGINAL MOTION THEN. >> AND I WILL SECOND IT. >>, WE ARE READY TO VOTE. >> SORRY. OKAY. COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES. >> COUNCILMAN BEARD >> NO >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBERS >> NO. COUNCILMAN MCALISTER, YES >> COUNCILMAN CRAVER >>YES >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS HURT. >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES IT. >> WHAT DAY IS IT, WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON. >> AND WHAT DID WE JUST VOTE ON? CAN SOMEBODY ORDER A PIZZA? [17. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on On Calling a Bond Election to be Held within the City, Making Provisions for the Conduct of the Election, and Enacting Other Provisions Relating to the Subject (Robert Hanna)] >> WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 17, AND I WILL ASK ROBERT HANNA, PRESENT THIS ITEM. BEFORE YOU IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT THE SIGH CITY OF ABILENE, SHOULD CALL IT FOR TWO BOND ITEMS, A AND B, PROPOSITION A WHICH WILL GET INTO IN JUST A MINUTE, IS REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND PROPOSITION B IS REGARDING QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. BEFORE YOU NOW IS A MANAGE OF TWO RECREATION CENTERS. ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE PLAY SIR FROM DANIELS, AND THE RIGHT ONE IS FROM THE CAESAR CHAVEZ RECREATION CENTER. YOU WILL SEE A TIMELINE. CAESAR CHAVEZ, WAS BORN IN 66, THE DANIELS WAS BUILT IN 66. THEY HAVE RUN THROUGH THEIR YEARS OF SERVERSION AND PROVIDED GOOD SERVICE FOR THAT COMMUNITY, AND THEY ARE TRULY END OF LIFE. WE HAD A CONSULTANT COME IN TO HELP EVALUATE OUR RECREATION CENTER. AS AND WHAT THEY FOUND SUBSTANTIALLY IS THAT THE COST TO BRING THESE FACILITIES UP TO CODE ON A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, IS MORE EFFECTIVE TO DEMOLISH THEM AND RESTART. YOU WOULD THEN HAVE A FACILITY THAT MET MODERN REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS, AND PROVIDE THE AMENITIES WITH A MODERN PUBLIC RECREATION CENTER AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. THIS IS ONE OF THE RESULT OF THE GB, DANIELS, IT IS CRITICAL VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY REQUIRE THE ENTIRE BUILDING BE BROUGHT TO BE BUILDING CODE MAKING THE ENTIRE COST ONE THAT IS WORTH IT. AND THE GYMNASIUM, TO SAVE THE GYM, AND CONSTRUCT A NEW RECREATION SENT AIR ROUND IT. I KNOW THAT JIM, AND PEOPLE WHO PLAY ON THAT JIM, KNOW THAT GYM, IT IS NEWER, BUT IS NOT REFLECTIVE WHAT IS PROBABLY FIRST CLASS FOR A COMMUNITY OUR SIZE AND IF WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER IT, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DEMOLISH THE WHOLE STRUCTURE AND START OFF. JB, DANIELS, AND CESAR CHAVEZ WHAT IS NOT SHOWN HERE IS THE BARS THAT ARE TO THE RIDE OF [03:30:02] THIS PICTURE, AND WHEN YOU WALK INTO THIS RECREATION CENTER, YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY PASS THROUGH BARS. IT JUST SENDS AN INTERESTING MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND ONE WE PROBABLY DON'T INTEND TO SEND. THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN OF WHAT THIS NEW FACILITY MAY LOOK LIKE FOR JVDANIELS, IT FITS ON THE CURRENT SITE, THY IT'S REORIENTED FROM THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT. THIS WOULD BE THE CESAR CHAVEZ RECREATION CENTER, IT'S ALSO 22,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S AN OUTDOOR PATIO SECTION AND I THINK THAT THE ALIGNMENT IS VERY SIMILAR ABOUT THE SAME TO THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT. AND THIS IS AN IMAGE OF WHAT THE CONSULT ASSISTANTS HAVE SUGGESTED AS A RENDERING OF WHAT A RECREATION FACILITY COULD BE OF THAT WAS BUILT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE AND CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IT NO, SIR THE NECESSARILY WHAT WE WOULD BUILD, IT IS AN ARTIST RENDERING OF WHATEVER IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AM I CAN SEE THE INSIDE OF THE FACILITY. IT'S OPEN, AND IT ALLOWS INTERACTION. THERE'S ACTIVE AND PASS SIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. THOSE ARE THE -- THIS IS A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET IS TOTAL OF $12.3 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE KIRBY TRAIL SYSTEM, THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT LOOKED AT THIS, SUGGESTED LOOPING THESE THREE PROJECTS TOGETHER. THEY THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP ADVOCATE FOR THE RECREATION CENTER AND FOR THE NORTHERN PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP ADVOCATE FOR THE RECREATION CENTER AND THEY TIED THE TWO PROGRAMS TOGETHER. THEY DID NOT FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO DO ONE OVER THE OTHER, THEY FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO BOTH, TO BE REFLECTIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE NEEDS THAT BOTH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE. THIS TRAIL HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT YOUR DISCUSSIONS IN OUR BOARD RETREATS OR COUNCIL RETREATS. THIS IS KIND OF AN OPINION PROBABLE COST AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, I THINK THAT THAT NUMBER BASED ON OUR CURRENT CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE WITH THE PARKS TRAILS THAT WILL WE ARESTALLING NOW AT SEARS, AND RED BUD, AND NELSON, AND CEDAR CREEK TRAIL IS PROBABLY A LITTLE LOWER, AND YOU WILL SEE THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING FOR THE BOND ELECTION IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THIS MIGHT ADD UP TO. IT IS ROUNDED UP TO 32 EVEN, AND THIS'S IN LARGE PART BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION PRICING, ALTHOUGH MAYBE SLOWING IS STILL INCREASING, >> FEAR STATION NUMBER NINE WAS THE NEXT PROJECT THAT THE BOND CAN BE LOOKED AT. FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE WOULD BE LOCATED AT HIGHWAY 77, NEAR BELT WAY, AND 707 SPUR. IT HAS QUICK ACCESS TO 83, 84, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESPONSE, AND THE CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THE HEART OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT CAN BE TAKE UP TO EIGHT MINUTES TO GET TO THIS SIDE OF TOWN, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A STATION NUMBER EIGHT WHICH IS OFF OF BUFFALO GAP ROAD. AS CALLS INCREASE IN IN THIS AREA, AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO INCREASE, CITIZENS OF ABILENE NEED THIS FIRE STATION, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S OPINION, AND IN YOUR CITY MANAGER'S OPINION. IT IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO CONSIDER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FIRE STATION. >> WE HAD TO IDENTIFY THE SPOT, SITTING ON LAND, REQUIRE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR PARKS BOARD APPROVAL TO DO THAT, MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH STATION FIVE I BELIEVE. >> THE ONE ON GRAPE. >> IT IS ON A PUBLIC PARK. >> AND THEY WORK TO HELP EAR MARK OR DEDICATE THAT LAND FOR THAT PURPOSE. >> IT'S A 12 TO 14,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IT WOULD HAVE FOUR DOUBLE-SIZED APPARATUS BASE. IT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE FIREFIGHTERS OBVIOUSLY. >> IT WOULD HAVE ANOTHER BATTALION CHIEF OR SECTION COMMAND OFFICE IT WOULD BE ABOUT THREE ACRES OF PROPERTY. THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS NUMBER AND A COST PER SQUARE FOOTAGE THIS IS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE COST OF FIRE STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN OTHER PARTS OF TEXAS. LET ME PUT THIS NUMBER TOGETHER, AS 557 DOES A SQUARE FOOT. A LARGE PART OF IT IS TIED TO THE LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION. IT'S BUILT LIKE A BATTLESHIP, AND ALSO THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE IN THERE, WHEN YOU EQUIP THAT FIRE STATION, IT IS JUST EXPENSIVE. YOU HAVE AN EXHAUST RECOVERY SYSTEM. YOU HAVE A LAUNDRY SYSTEM THAT IS NOT YOUR WHIRLPOOL LAUNDRY WASHER, IT IS A VERY HEAVY DUTY IT HAS TO CLEAN THE BUNKER GEAR WE PROVIDE FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS, AND IT'S. PO THAT IT [03:35:02] LASTS. IT MEANS IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF CONHAVE YOU. EYE VOTING FOR AND THE ISSUANCE OF A $32 MILLION BOND FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION EQUIPMENT. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE FELT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO KICK TO YOU ALL BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE IS THE TIMING OF THIS. WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN THE COUNCIL RETREAT OF HAVING THIS ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. THE BOND COMMITTEE DELIBERATED JUDICIOUSLY AND EFFECTIVELY. IT TOOK THEM A LITTLE LONGER THAN I PLANNED FOR. BUT THIS WASN'T WASTED TIME. I THINK THAT THEY DID THEIR JOB APPROPRIATELY. THEY REACHED OUT TO ENGAGE CITIZENS. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LARGE WITH GROUP OF IS FOLKS THAT WARRANTED TO SEE THE KIRBY ROAD TRAIL, AND THAT IS A BIG RESULT OF THE PROPOSITION THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING AND THE TIMING IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCOURSE AMONG THE BOARD THAT NOW IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL MAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THESE BONDS. AND WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE TO THEIR TAX BILL SAN WHAT AMENITIES THEY WILL BE RECEIVING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN 60 DAYS. WE CAN'T LOBBY FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THIS, WE CAN JUST EDUCATE THEM. YOU MAY CONSIDER IT FOR MAY BOND ISSUANCE. BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD IN A TIMELINE WHERE WE COULD TECHNICALLY DO IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DIRECTION IN THE COUNCIL RETREAT. >> THEN THE QUESTION IS DO WE DO THIS AT ALL. DO WE CALL THE BOND ELECTION, OR TABLE IT FOR SOME FUTURE DATE, MAYBE NOT EVEN MAY. DO YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE ELECTION FOR PROPOSITION A FOR THE FIRE STATION? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ELECTION FOR PROPOSITION B? THERE'S DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE DO NEED STATION NINE SOONER THAN LATER. >> WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THESE REC CENTERS SOONER THAN LATER. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE RECREATION CENTER BUSINESS WE NEED TO HAVE FACILITIES THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE VALUES THAT WE HOLD AS A COMMUNITY. AND THOSE TWO FACILITIES ALONG WITH OUR OTHER REC CENTERS HAVE SERVED THEIR TIME. IT'S TIME TO REINVEST IN THEM IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM. IF WE ARE NOT THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT PROGRAMS WE WILL DO FOR RECREATION CENTERS. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS, ROBERT? >> SO GOING BACK TO THE REC CENTERS, THIS HAS BEEN HE HAVE IS, SEVERAL MONTHS, OR MAYBE EVEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND YOU CAN DO THE CESAR CHAVEZ -- THAT ONE THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT WAS ADDING AN AQUATIC CENTER. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT IS THE BUILDING -- I SEE SPACE THERE, BUT IS THE BUILDING DESIGNED THAT IF IN THE FUTURE WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND HOODIE AQUATIC CENTER WE COULD? >> YES, SIR, DURING THE ARCHITECTURAL PHASE WE WOULD ALLOW FOR PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE AN INDOOR POOL AN ASSOCIATE ED WITH IT, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED TO HAVE AN INDOOR POOL AREA IN A PHASE 2, YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE I GUESS, AND I HOPE THAT SAMMY APPRECIATES THE HUMOR IN THIS LIKE WE HAVE MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER. >> BUT I FIND MYSELF IN SOMEWHAT OF AN AGREEMENT WITH SOMETHING THAT HE SAID IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WHAT ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SEPARATING THESE OUT INTO A 'ROP, A, AND B, AND IT'S A DIFFERENT NATURE OF A PROJECT, VERSUS THE REC CENTERS STANDING ON THEIR OWN. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? [03:40:01] >> THAT'S REALLY POLICY QUESTION, COUNCILMAN BEARD. WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE WHATEVER PROPSIGNATURES THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE TO THE VOTERS AND FACILITATE THAT ELECTION. THE BOARD, THE COMMITTEE SPENT SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT VERY THING, AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WAS THAT YOU INCLUDE AN OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE'S MEN TEASE IN ONE BOND PROPOSITION CAN ONE ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE. AD BY LUMPING THEM TOGETHER, THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD GET MORE VOTER INTEREST IN THESE TWO PROJECTS, THAN LESS VOTER INTEREST. >> I AGREE. WHETHER WE LIKE TO ADMIT IT OR NOT. THAT'S A NORTH SOUTH, VERSUS, SOUTH SIDE. A US VERSUS THEM. ALLOWING FOLKS FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER TO GET IT DON, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, AND I APPRECIATE THE BOND COMMITTEE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT WAY. >> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WILL. COULD THESE BONDS BE DONE AT SEPARATE TIMES, ONE IN NOVEMBER, AND ONE IN MAY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I DO SEE THE PUBLIC SAFETY, OF I SEE THE FIRE STATION IS URGENT, AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT MORE EXPLANATION. I LIKE THEM PUT TOGETHER, THE QUALITY OF LIFE PART. BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO -- AND I DON'T MEAN PUSH THROUGH, BUT THE FIRE STATION IS PRETTY IMPORTANT OUT THERE WITH ALL OF THAT GROWTH. WE ALREADY HAVE AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, SO I WOULD CONSIDER DOING THE PROPOSITION FOR THE FIRE STATION IN NOVEMBER, AND PUTTING QUALITY OF LIFE PROPOSITIONS OFF UNTIL MAY JUST A SUGGESTION >> IF YOU WANT THOSE TO SUCCEED YOU REALLY NEED TO GIVE IT TIME AND EDUCATION. AND WE LEARNED THAT WITH THE GRACE, WHEN WE FIRST WENT OUT TO PUSH THE GRACE, PEOPLE WERE LIKE WHAT IS THAT. AND SO WE PULLED BACK FOR A FULL YEAR, AND PROMOTED AND INFORMED PEOPLE WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. SO I THINK THAT TO REALLY BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE RECS, WE NEED TO EDUCATE. >> I AGREE, AND THESE REC CENTERS THESE ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO ABILENE, AND I KNOW THAT KYLE SAID NORTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, AND I APPRECIATE THE BOND COMMITTEE THE WAY THAT THEY WERE PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER FOR THOSE REASONS. THESE ARE IMPORTANT. BUT I THINK THAT EVEN THE PUBLIC, THEY UNDERSTAND A FIRE STATION RIGHT NOW, THE NEED FOR THAT. BUT THE REC CENTERS, SO PUTTING THAT OFF UNTIL MAY TO GIVE MORE TIME TO EDUCATE IS MY REASONING FOR THAT >> I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. >> WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING YET. >> I GOT THAT CONFUSED. >> OF ARE YOU SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT PUBLIC -- >> THE POSITIVE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAPPENED A LOT. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ROBERT? SEEING NONE. FOR ME, I AM GOOD WITH SPLITTING IT, AND WE ARE ALREADY -- THIS ANSWER, MR. SCHWARTZ QUESTION FROM EARLIER, $95,886,000 ON AN ELECTION TO HANDLE THE CHART AMENDMENTS AND THE VOTER INITIATIVE BY CHARTER THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN NOVEMBER AND THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FIRE STATION AS WELL. BUT WE CAN TAKE TIME ON THE REC CENTERS AND THE WALKING TRAIL TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND HAVE A BETTER INFORMATION PACKET AVAILABLE ON WHAT WE ARE ASKING VOTERS TO CONSIDER. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE COME UP, AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. DAVID SCHWARTZ. I JUST LOOKED AT THE MAN. JV, DANIELS IS LAID OUT IN ONE BLOCKING AREA, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO, UNLESS YOU TORE IT DOWN, UNLESS YOU ARE BUILDING A MULTISTORY. SEARS, OR CHAVEZ, WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO CALL IT. YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM THERE, YOU CAN BUILD THETAGE TAJ, MAHA. >> THERE'S A LOT OF USAGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE USE -- [03:45:54] IT A LITTLE BIGGER, FIVE BAYS OUT THERE. YOU WILL HAVE A COMMAND VEHICLE. EVENTUALLY HAVE A LADDER COMPANY, AN ENGINE COMPANY, AND YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE A RESCUE SQUAD OR MEDIC TRUCK, OR WHAT ARE YOU WANT TO CALL IT. OR ON BRUSH TRUCK. REMEMBER FIFTEEN YEARS FROM NOW, OR TWENTY, ANOTHER COUNCIL MAY BE UP HERE AND SAY THAT WE HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER FIRE STATION OUT HERE, PAUSE THE CITY EXPANDED SOUTH AND WEST, AND EAST, AND WE NEED ANOTHER STATION OUT THERE. BUT IF YOU GO AHEAD AND BUILD FOR THE FUTURE NOW, YOU SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION. . I WITH SAY FOR SAFETY CONCERN, WE WOULD HAVE IT ON NOVEMBER. I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY DON'T BUILD TOO SMALL. AND YOU PUT A FIVE BAY STATION OUT THERE, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE STATION IS STILL EXPANDING IN THAT AREA OF HOUSES AND STUFF. YOU ARE GOING TO SAY BOY, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE PUT A FIVE-BAY STATION OUT HERE BECAUSE WE NEED TWO ENGINE COMPANIES FOR THIS AREA. DON'T BUILD TOO SMALL. PUT AT LISA FIRE STATION ON NOVEMBER'S BALLOT. BECAUSE IT'S MOST IMPORTANT. >> 23 YOUR CAN SAVE ONE FAMILIAR MEMBER A LIFE. IT'S WORTH IT. AND CHIEF ANOTHER HE IS JUST SENT ME A TEXT. THIS IS COMING FROM THE EXPERT HIMSELF. THIS WOULD BE LARGER THAN STATION ONE. AND AS A CITY MANAGER, I WILL SAY THAT THEY'VE GOT EN EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THESE. >> JAMES SERGEANT. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND THAT WE PROCEED WITH THE FIRE STATION. WE BOUGHT PROPERTY OUT THERE. THERE'S PROPOSED GROWTH. THERE'S APARTMENTS NEAR THE HOSPITAL. I'VE ABOUT PLEBLESSED TO VOLUNT, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I'VE BEEN ON RIDE ALONGS, AND OFTENTIMES GETTING THERE SOMETIMES BEFORE THE AMBULANCE SERVICES THAT IS CRITICAL AND NEEDED. ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WHEN WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE RECREATION CENTERS. I'VE HAD CHILDREN ATTEND BOTH OF THOSE RECREATION CENTERS AND I AM THANKFUL AND BLESSED FOR THAT. AND I SUGGEST THAT WE STAGGER THAT, AND DON'T TEAR THEM BOTH DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, AND REBUILDING IN THE SAME KIND OF GEOGRAPHICTAL AREA. WE TEAR DOWN ONE AND REBUILD IT, AND WORK ON THE OTHER ONE, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE SERVICES FROM ONE TO THE OTHER IN THE PROCESS. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THANK YOU ALL. >> LESLIE THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. SO YOU ARE RIGHT, MR. SERGEANT, IT WOULD BE ONE, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> MANY I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MORE DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. THAT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE GUN CLUB >> FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE, IT WILL BE LOUD AND LOTS OF GUNFIRE. >> I WILL LET THE CHIEF RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ABOUT HIS FOLKS. >> JOHN, BURNETT DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR. SCHWARTZ, HE'S ALWAYS AN ADVOCATE FOR, AND 23 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR INTEREST IN THIS MATTER. WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GUN CLUB IS RIGHT THERE. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THE GUN CLUB THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THE WEEKEND NOT SO MUCH IN THE HINGES WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE WHEN OUR PERSONNEL ARE THERE. OUR EQUIPMENT IS LOUD TOO. WE CHANGED OUR PROCEDURES A LITTLE BIT. WE DON'T DO IT 8 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON SUNDAY, WE MOVED THOSE TO THE WEEKING DAY, AND [03:50:03] BEING A GOOD STEWARD TO OUR NEIGHBORS IS PART OF OUR PLAN AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT UP THERE TOGETHER AS PARTNERS IN THIS, THIS, AND WE DOESN'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND THE NIKO STATION TO THE PAL ON THE IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WILL BE PROP, A, AND PROP, B, IN NOVEMBER. >> WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO CALL THE ELECTION, CORRECT, STANLEY? >>ING YES. >> SO WOULD THE MOTION NEED TO BE PROP, A. >> YES, WE ARE CALLING PROP, A. >> A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BEARD, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE. >> COUNCILMAN BEARD. >> YES. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBERS. >> YES. >> COUNCILMAN. >> MCALISTER. >> YES. MAYOR PRO TEMPS HURT. [18. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Amending Chapter 18, "Motor Vehicles and Traffic," Article XIII, "Schedules," Section 18-286, Decreased Speed Limits - School Zones," of the Abilene Municipal Code, By Amending Two (2) School Zones near Bassetti Elementary and Wylie Early Childhood Center; Adding Two (2) Existing Zones on Beltway South (FM 707); and Adding a New School Zone on Oldham Ln (FM 1750) (Max Johnson)] >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM THE HE SCONES, BISEETTE, ELEMENTARY IS OUT ON 270 ACCEPT HE HAVE HE, WE ARE CHANGING THE CODE TO GO FROM 30 MILES TO 35 WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE SIGNS. THE EARLY CHILDHOOD CENTER ON BUFFALO GAP. WE ARE CHANGING THE CODE TO REFLECT THE ACCURATE LOCATION OF THE SCHOOL ZONE, WILEY EAST, INTERNET JANUARY THIS IS THE NEW SCHOOL ZONE ON OLDHAM, AND TXDOT, IS IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THE SIGNS UP AND MAKING IT, A WYLIE, WEST INTERMEDIATE AND JUNIOR HIGH ARE ON 707, THEY CURRENTLY EXIST, AND WE DO NOT REPORT THEM IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT IS WHAT THIS ITEM IS DOING. THIS IS BISETTE, 30 MILES PER HOUR ON HIGHWAY 277, THIS IS THE EARLY CHILD NOT CENTER, BUFFALO GAP ROAD, WITH THE ACCURATE SCHOOL ZONE, AND SIGNS WYLIE, EAST, OLDHAM LANE, AS WE SPEAK, TXDOT, IS PUTTING UP THE SIGNS AND W WYLIE, THREE, IS CLOSER TO 84, AND THE SECOND, IS WHICWYLIE WE. IMSTRAINS? >> THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR FENCE THIS ITEM IN PUBLIC SESSION? PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION. >> >> YOU HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE, AND IS WEEKEND BOON COUNCILMAN CRAVER. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. YES >> BEARD. >> YES, ALBERS. >> YES, COUNCILMAN CRAVER. [19. Ordinance (Final Reading) CUP-2022-06: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Patrick Batten Represented By Rylie Batten For Approval Of A Conditional Use Permit Allowing A Group Home (A.K.A. Halfway House) On Approximately .16 Acres Of Residential Medium Density (MD) District at 1242 Orange St In North Abilene, Legal Description Being Lot 12 In Block F Of Steffens & Lowden, Abilene, Taylor County, Texas. (Tim Littlejohn)] >> YES, MAYOR WILLIAMS IS ABSENT, AND MAYOR PRO. >> THE YES. >> AND I WILL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO PRESENT THIS >> UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS CUP, 220-26, THE OWNER IS PATRICK BATTEN, AND THE AGENT IS RILEY BATTEN, AND IS THE REQUEST TO ALLOW A HALF WAY HOUSE AT 1242 ORANGE STREET. THERE'S LOCATION MAP, AND HERE'S LOCATION MAP ON THE AREA, AND CURRENT ZONING ZONING SHOWING MEDIUM DENSITY IT IS WITHIN THE NINE HOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE. HERE'S THE USES PERMITTED WITH AS YOU SEE IT DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONTAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS USE. >> AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. [03:55:03] HERE'S YOUR NOTIFICATION, MAP, THOUGHING 13.8 PERCENT INN OPPOSITION STARKS AND WE HAD NONE COME BACK IN FAVOR, AND SIX OPPOSED. >> THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND SATISFIES THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PNZ, IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR USED TO. ANY QUESTIONS?. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> THE AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS PATRICK, BATTEN, AND GOOD AFTERNOON NOW, IT'S BEEN KIND OF A CRAZY DAY. I AM IN THE BUSINESS OF HELPING PEOPLE. I AM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GRAINWORKS, LLC, I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 70 INDIVIDUALS UNDER ROOF NOW WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE TO BETTER THEMSELVES, AND HAVE BECOME ACTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED THE PAST HERE, ABOUT OFFERING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AREN'T IN A POSITION FINANCIALLY, OR STABLE ENOUGH OUT AND GET THEM IN PLACE. AND IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY WITH DOWN PAYMENTS, AND DEPOSITS, AND FIRST MONTH, AND LAST MONTH RENT AND TURN ON UTILITIES AND ET CETERA I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 19 YEARS. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING NEW TO ME. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME OFF THE STREETS OR COMING OUT OF ADDRESS, OR COMING OUT OF PRISON, AND BE THEY DON'T START HERE. THIS IS A HALF WAY HOUSE KIND OF HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION TO IT. WE PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE HOUSING AT 1802 GRAPE IS WHERE PEOPLE START WHEN THEY FIRST GET BACK ON THEIR FEET BEFORE THEY ARE MOVED INTO ANOTHER PROPERTY. THIS IS MORE OF A THREE QUARTER HOUSE. THEY GOT APPROVED THAT THEY ARE BEING RESPONSIBLE, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO DRUG TEST, AND ALCOHOL TESTS, AND THEY NEED TO HOLD A JOB AND PAY THEIR BILLS, AND JUST A STEPPING STONE TO GET THEM MOVING BEFORE THEY CAN GET BACK ON THEIR OWN COMPLETELY. SO. I BECAME FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY, A FRIEND OF MINE OPENED THE PROPERTY. HE SAID PATRICK, I NEED HELP. THERE'S A BUNCH OF SQUATTERS IN THE PROPERTY TAKING OVER, AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE EVICTION PROCESS, AND I MET A COUPLE OF CONSTABLES THERE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAD TO GET ON THE PHONE AND CALL A BUNCH OF BACKUP. AT THE TIME IT WAS A DUPLEX, AND THERE WERE EIGHT INDIVIDUAL LIVING IN ONE BEDROOM ON ONE SIDE OF THE DUPLEX. THEY WERE TAKING OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LOTS OF DRUGS, LOTS OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY INVOLVED. A VERY UGLY EVICTION PROCESS, AND THEN AFTER THAT MY FRIEND SAYS PATRICK I AM OUT. THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ROUGH. THERE'S GROUP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS RUNNING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT THAT POINT, HE OFFERED THE PROPERTY TO ME, AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. WE MADE IT, AND COMPLETELY REMODELED IT, WE TURNED IT INTO A FOUR BEDROOM TWO BATH HOUSE. MY PLAN IS TO HAVE FOUR VEHICLES ON THE HOUSE. SINCE THEN I'VE PUT ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THE HOUSE WHO HAS A PRESENCE ABOUT HIM. A HE BEEN INCARCERATED FOR A WHILE HE'S COMPLETELY CHANGED HIS LIFE, AND AS HE STAYED THERE O ONE NIGHT AT TWO IN THE MORNING ACROSS THE STREET THERE WAS AN ALTERCATION BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. AND TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND HE WAS SCREAMING IS AND YELLING, AND THE GUY THRIVING STEPPED OUTSIDE THE PORCH TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND AT THAT POINT HE WAS BEING YELLED AT CUSSED AT. AND HE SPENT SOME TIME IN JAIL, PUT HIS TENNIS SHOES ON, TOOK HIS SHIRT OFF, AND AT THAT POINT, THE INDIVIDUALS BACKED DOWN, AND SAID NO SIR, I AM SO SORRY. HE SAID PRETMUCH THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN, AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS ANY MORE, THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF IT. AND WE WILL NOT HAVE THE SCREAMING AND YELLING AND DRUGS AND AN OF THE RIFR RIF, RAF, HA BEEN GOING ON, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAT GOTTEN A LOT BETTER IN 30 DAYS, AS YOU CAN TELL YOU AM NOT SCARED FROM A FIGHT, AND MY GUYS IN MY HALFWAY HOUSE WILL FOLLOW THE RULES, AND BE PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY OR BE REMOVED. I HOPE THAT YOU PASS THIS FOR ME, AND FOR THE CITIZENS OF ABC 33/40 THAT NEED ANOTHER CHANCE. AND I WILL GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF I AM ABLE TO DO SO. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> MY NAME IS JAMES SERGEANT. >> I ACTUALLY RESIDE NEAR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR WHERE THAT HOUSE IS. THERE ARE ISSUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S UNQUESTIONABLE. I AM ALSO A VOLUNTEER CHAPLAIN AT A LOCAL PRISON, AND I HELP WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS GETTING INDIVIDUALS IN THE ONLY REENTRY THROUGH A LOCAL ORGANIZATION, [04:00:02] BUT ALSO INDIVIDUALLY TO HELP THEM FIND SOBRIETY. FIND WORK, COME RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS FINDING HOUSING. BUT NOW IT'S APPROPRIATE HOUSING. NOW I ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH IN THE PAST WHEN I'VE NEEDED SHORT-TIME HELP I'VE CONTACTED. GRAND WORKS, DO YOU HAVE ANY INDIVIDUALS LOOKING FOR WORK AND THEY CAME ONBOARD WITH ME AND PROVIDED WORK. ONE INDIVIDUAL OUT OF THE MANY MANY WHO DID WORK WELL, AND WAS ABLE TO FIND LONG TERM WITH THEM. ONE, I CALLED, GRAND WORKS, AND I SAID THAT WAS MY CONCERN, AND THEY DRUG TESTED HIM, AND THEY FOLLOWED THEIR PROTOCOL, AND THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE AND HANSLED IT IN APPROPRIATE MANNER, AND I WAS THANKFUL FOR THEIR HELP AND ASSISTANCE. >> I AM THANKFUL FOR THIS THREE QUARTER HOME THAT'S PROVIDED WITH RESPONSIBILITIES, AND TEACHING THEM CITIZENSHIP, AND OWNERSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY. >> CHILDREN FROM THE LIBRARY A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL GENTLEMAN. HE IS GIVING THESE MENA SECOND CHANCE, AND I WOULD ASK IF YOU GIVE PATRICK A CHANCE TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS ERIKA BATTIC BATTEN, FAMILY VOLUNTEERS WITH GRAND WORKS. AND MY PART IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PATRICK DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB FIXING UP THE HOUSE. THIS HOUSE ON ORANGE STREET THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT IS WELL PAINTED A DECENT FACILITY FOR ANYONE TO LIVE IN THERE. AND WE ARE ARE NOT CRAMMING PEOPLE UP TO DOUBLE UP IN ROOMS, AND WE WANT A NICE COMFORTABLE PLACE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE MEN HAVE COME FROM DIFFICULT SITUATIONS AND THEY MADE TREMENDOUS STEPS OF GETTING STABLE WORK, AND STAYING SOBER, AND BECOMING- THEY ARE ALMOST READY TO BE LAUNCHED OUT INTO FINDING THEIR OWN PLACE AND BEING COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS, BUT THEY NEED THAT ONE LAST LITTLE STEP OF STILL MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE, AND SOMEONE IS WATCHING OVER THEM. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE WERE BLESSED WHEN BELTWAY HAD THEIR HUGE GARAGE SALE. THEY INVITED US TO GO SHOP FIRST FOR THIS HOME. IT IS COMPLETELY FURNISHED. >> EVERY ROOM LOOKS REALLY WELL DON. IT'S A COMFORTABLE SETTING. I HAVE LITERALLY SEEN MEN WHO HELPED FIX IT UP, AND WASHED OF WATCHED ME PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, WITH THE NICE FURNISHINGS, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IT, LITERALLY BRING TEARS TO THEIR EYES, THAT THEY GET TO POSSIBLY LIVE THERE, OR HELP SOMEBODY ELSE TO GET TO LIVE IN THIS, AFTER EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON. AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU SAY YES TODAY. GIVE THESE MENA CHANCE, AND LET'S GET A GREAT STEP FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THESE MEN IN ABILENE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS, OR I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION? >> I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS PROPERTY THREE TIMES. AND WHENEVER I SAW KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY COME OUT OF THE HOUSES CLOSE BY, REALLY GAVE ME PAUSE, AND I THOUGHT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. I DO KNOW THAT THAT THE MEN THAT LIVE IN THE HOUSE ON GRAPE HAVE [04:05:01] BEEN A BIG HELP TO THE SWENSON HOUSE, AND ALL THAT MY FRIEND HAS GOING ON THERE, AND THAT GIVES ME ENCOURAGEMENT. AND YOU CHANGED MY MIND THIS MORNING. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WILL BE WATCHING. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> THAT IS A MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN ALBERS, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD; IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> WE ARE READY TO VOTE. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBERS. >> YES. >> MCALISTER. >> YES >> CRAVER. >> YES. >> WILLIAMS IS ABSENT >> COUNCILMAN PRICE >>YES >> BEARD. >> YES. >> MAYOR PRO TEMPS [20. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2022-14: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Weatherbee Construction Represented By Jacob & Martin To Amend The Terms And Conditions Of Planned Development District Number 104 Specifically Rezone approximate 14.34 acres currently Residential Medium Density to create and add tract 6 of Planned Development District (PD- 104) and modifying PD-104 to add and allow 50' wide residential lots as a permitted use within all tracts, save and except, Lot 1, Block A (MF), Trails of Abilene Addition. (Tim Littlejohn)] >> YES. >>N'T WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 20. I WILL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN TO GIVE US THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> UP FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE Z-2022-14, PD 104 WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS REZONE APPROXIMATE LYL 14.34 ACRES ADDED AS ATTRACT 6 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 104, AND WITH A MEDIUM DENSITY TYPE OF OVERLAY FOR THAT TRACT. THIS IS LOCATED OFF OF 322, AND OLDHAM LANE. AND HERE'S A LOCATION MAP. THIS IS PROPERTY 665, IF I AM READING THAT PROPERLY ON THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS ONE KIND OF SHOWS IT TO YOU A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY. THESE ARE PERMITTED USES WITHIN A MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING DISTRICT, IN THIS PD THIS REASON IT SAYS FORMER RMTHREE, THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WAS WORDED IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. BUT THAXTON SINCE CHANGED. >> THERE'S GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT INFORMATION. PERMITTED USES WITHIN OFFICE DISTRICTS. THERE'S A PERMITTED USES WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS. MULTIFAMILY. THERE'S PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, CURRENTLY VACANT. >> HERE'S OUR NOTIFICATION OF AN AREA MAP. WE DIDN'T SEE IT RECEIVE ANYTHING UNFAVORABLE. WE DID RECEIVE ONE OPPOSED WHICH RESULTED IN A .7 POINT PERCENT IN OPPOSITION, THE STAFF DID FIND THAT THIS IS CONCON CYST TENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK THAT I NEED TO GO BACK, I DID MISS ONE HIGH POINT. WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO IS ON THIS ADDITIONAL TRACT 6, AND WITH THE OTHER TRACTS LOCATED WITHIN THIS PD-104, IS ALLOW THE RESIDENT -- ALL TRACKS THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES NOW IS TO CHANGE THE SPECIFICATIONS WITHIN, WITHIN THIS PD TO ALLOW FOR 50 BY 100 LOTS, AND THAT WOULD AFFECT TRACTS 3, 4, 5, AND 6. AND THOSE ARE CURRENT TRACTS THAT 3:45 HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL USE TASTE LOUD WITHIN THOSE TRACTS, AND WITH THE ADDITION OF TRACT 6, I WOULD ALSO MAKE THAT ALLOWABLE RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN TRACT 6. -- THIS HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN OF FUTURE LAND USE. P PNZ, IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE? >> DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. LITTLEJOHN? >> JUST A CURIOSITY. WITH MOST PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THERE'S A SITE PLAN OR A CONCEPT PLAN, AND THIS ONE HAS COME TO US SEVERAL TIMES. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE AREA, AND NOT SO MUCH OF A SITE PLAN OR A CONCEPT PLAN. IS THERE A CONCEPT FOR WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO? OR IS THIS JUST KIND OF ZONING AND -- IT IS A VERY CONCEPTUAL, THE ONLY THING IS TO ACT THE CONTRACT 6 TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. AS FAR AS THE OTHERS THEY ARE IS IT HE WILL IN DESIGN TO MAKE IT MORE REALISTIC. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE WITH THE ATTACHED ORDINANCES THAT WERE IN THE PACKETS THAT TRACTS THAT WERE LAID OUT AND THE SPECIFIC USES ALLOWED WITHIN THOSE [04:10:02] TRACTS, AND THEN ALSO IN THE PACKET YOU SAW WHERE THE ADDITION OF TRACT 6 WOULD BE WITH THE ALLOWABLE USES. THEY ARE STILL IN THE EARLY DESIGN PHASES FOR THE WEATHERBEES. AND THIS PROJECT WAS PUT ON PAUSE, AS PROBABLY MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW THAT HE DID PASS AWAY, AND THIS PROJECT WAS PUT ON PAUSE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND NOW JACOB & MARTIN IS GETTING THIS GOING AGAIN FOR THEM. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ARE ADDING THIS TRACT 6, AND MAKING THE PD A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. BUTT AND WITH THE ALLOWABLE USES IN THE TRACT 6 TO BE RESIDENTIAL IS THE ADDITION AS NOTED IN THE PROPOSAL. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME. >> CLAYTON PHARAOH, AGENT FOR THE . >> TO BE FAIR, DAINTY OFFER IT EITHER. BUT WE TO HAVE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THAT TRACT. BUT THIS AT THIS POINT, WE ARE STILL EARLY IN WHAT THAT TRACT LOOKS LIKE, AND WANTED TO GET. THE BLESSING TO PURSUE THAT ROUTE BEFORE DIVING OFF INTO FULL DESIGN OBVIOUSLY. >> I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS. >> JUST FOR CLARITY, DOES THIS REQUEST FOR RESIDENTIAL WITH THE 50 FOOT ON ALL ■OF THED? >> THAT'S HOW THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION READS. >> AND THAT IS WHAT -- I WASN'T -- THE WAY THAT YOU SAID THAT,ING IT SOUNDED LIKE IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO PAND Z, AND. >> THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO PAND Z, ARE ALL OF THE TRACTS WITHIN THE -- >> WHAT WAS INCLUDED TO P, AND Z, WAS INCLUDED IN THE RESIDENTIAL USES. THE INTENT WAS TO REQUEST THAT WAS WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM YOU CLAYTON IT WAS BASICALLY COMMERCIAL RETAIL FRONTAGE ON THE LOOP. THAT'S STILL THE INTENT. IN THAT LAYOUT THERE IS A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT WOULD BE RETAIL. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BOUNDARY, OR THAT LINE TOTALLY ENCOMPASSES TRACT ONE. SO IT MAY BE MORE CLEAR WHEN YOU SEE AN ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THE REQUEST REQUEST WAS TO ADD THAT AS A USE, BECAUSE THOSE LINES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED OF ME DO NOT MATCH THE ORIGINAL ZONING TRACTS. >> WERE CAN I ASK A QUESTION, CLAYTON. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE ONE THAT WE JUST DID WITH THE PD, THERE IS NO CONCEPT PLAN OTHER THAN ZONING. WOULD IT IMPACT A DEVELOPER AT ALL IF THIS WAS TABLED IN A CONCEPT PLAN WAS SUBMITTED SO THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED? >>. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S NEGATIVE, HARD FEELINGS ABOUT THAT >> I WILL ADD THIS ORIGINAL PD WAS PASSED IN 2006, AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN LOOKED LIKE >> >> I RECOGNIZE THAT. >> THIS IS AN OLD LEGACY PD. >>. I MOVE TO TABLE. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SUGGESTION. >> WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT? >> IT'S ON THE AGENDA. SO PUBLIC HEARING >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? >> I HAD TWO CARDS AFTER THIS >> GO AHEAD >> ARE THERE CARDS THERE. >> ROBIN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND TALK ABOUT KNOWING UP FROM DOWN, WE HAVE DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES. WE HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING. I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU BEFORE YOU DO ANY MORE OF THE 50 FOOT LOT THAT YOU ACTUALLY GO IN AND [04:15:01] CHANGE THE LAND CODE, AND AS RESIDENT OF THIS TOWN, I TONIGHT ONCE AGAIN SEE WHERE SOME OF THIS FITS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE USE PLAN. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE HAD A CARD FROM RUSSELL BEARD >>. >> I DON'T WANT TO TAKE LONG. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TABLE IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUGHT TO HAPPEN. NOBODY SEEMS HEP TO THIS. THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT REQUESTED. AND WHAT HAPPENED P, AND Z. AND THAT ALSO MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT, AS A CITIZEN TO TAKE TYPE OUT OF YOUR DAY TO COME UP HERE, AND HAVE PEOPLE NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSAL ACTUALLY IS. AND THIS THING NEEDS TO BE TABLED AND BE A FINITE PROPOSAL. ONE OTHER THING. I THINK THAT I CAN RECALL WHEN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS FIRST CAME INTO THE CODE. AND, AND I THINK THAT IT CERTAINLY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE DEAL WAS, AND I WAS TOLD AT THE TIME BY CITY STAFF MEMBERS. ONCE THERE'S A PD IN PLACE, ONCE YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. EVERYBODY IS LOCKED IN. IT'S A TEAL WHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE A REPRESENTATION TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY WILL STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT THAT PD IS. WELL THIS THING HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IT'S IMPLEMENTED ONE TIME, AND BACK TODAY REQUESTING THAT IT BE AMENDED AGAIN, AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S RIGHT NOW MEDIUM DENSITY AND THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE IT TO 50 FOOT LOTS, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S ON THERE. AND I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. I WON'T GO INTO THAT AGAIN, BUT THE DEVELOPER ON A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL REPRESENTATION TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY WITHOUT A DARN GOOD REASON. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IT NEEDS TO BE RARE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE A UNIQUE SITUATION. THE IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE WELL, I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT AND I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD CHANGE IT. THAT NEEDS TO BE A LOT STRICTE. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE TAKING THE POSITION IF I COME IN AND I ASK TO CHANGE IT TO A PARTICULAR CLASSIFICATION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, THEN I'VE GOT TO CUT UP THE PLATS, OR PICK WHICH ONES I AM GOING TO DO IT ON OR CHANGE IT ON ALL OF THEM. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS OH, I WILL MAKE IT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ANGELA MEND THAT AS WE GO. AND MAYBE THE WORD WILL GET OR GET OUT AND THEN CITIZENS WILL OR WON'T OPPOSE IT, AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING, AND I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A LOT STRICTER STANCE ON PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, AND THAT THEY DON'T BECOME A ROLLING AGENT FOR CHANGE AFTER THE PLATS ARE FINALED. >> I HAVE A CARD, BEARD SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> SEEING NO ONE. COUNCIL, HAVE ANY MOTION? >>. >> I MOVE TO TABLE. DO WE NEED TO GIVE A SPECIFIC EXPECTATION ON COMING BACK, TO THE NEXT MEETING OR? >> NO, SIR, WE WILL VISIT WITH LEGAL BASED ON THE RESUBMITTAL THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO P AND Z. SO WE WILL BRING IT BACK AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE THIS TIME TO FORMALLY DIRECT STAFF TO GIVE A WRITTEN SET OF PD GUIDELINES THAT WE CONSISTENTLY USE FOR THIS. AND THAT MEANS AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE WILL START THAT PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS. IT'S IMPORTANT. >> DO I GET A SECOND. >> A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD. >> I GUESS WE ARE UP FOR A VOTE. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. >>ING YES. >> COUNCILMAN BEARD. >> YES. >> PRO TEMPS ALBUS. >> YES >> MCALISTER >> YES. >> CRAVER. >> YES, MAYOR WILLIAMS IS AND CENTS, AND MAYOR PRO TEMPS HURT [21. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2022-16: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Arete Interests, LLC Represented By Jacob & Martin To Amend The Terms And Conditions Of Planned Development District Number 159A Specifically To Amend The Concept Plan To Allow For More Residential Uses. Legal Description Being Lots 101-109, Block A, Parramore’s Subdivision, Abilene In Taylor County, Texas. (Tim Littlejohn)] IS ABSTAINING, MOTION CARRIES. >> WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 21. TIM LITTLEJOHN, PLANNING AND DEVELOPING SERVICES TO -- >> WHAT? >>. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL U UP FOR CONSIDERATION IS Z-2022-116, [04:20:10] AGENTS ARE ARETE INTERESTS, LLC INTERESTS, LLC, JACOB & MARTIN, AND WHAT IS BEFORE YOU THEY ARE WANTING TO AMEND THEIR CONCEPT PLAN. >> HERE'S A LOCATION MAP, THIS IS BEACH ORANGE SEVEN, AND PARAMORE STREET. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING SHOWNING THE PD 159 A, FOR THIS ENTIRE BLOCK. A WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO IS EXPAND THE USE OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND PATIO HOMES WITHIN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED OPEN SPACE. >> THERE'S SOME PERMITTED USES WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOME ZONING. THERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE]. . >> ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE UPDATED ONE. THERE'S A PRIVATE DRIVE, AND OFFSTREET PARKING OF THE UNITS, IS THAT THE PLAN WITH THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THERE WILL BE OFFSTREET PARKING PROVIDED FOR EACH OF THOSE UNITS. >> THERE WILL BE OFFSTREET PARKING FOR EACH OF THOSE UNITS. IT WON'T BE OFF OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE THAT I AM AWARE OF. >> IT WILL AND IS AN OFFSTREET, YES, SIR. >> THAT WILL BE A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT INCREASED PARKING THERE, PEOPLE WITHOUT AN OFFSTREET PARKING. >> WHERE WOULD THEY PARK, BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE HOUSES THERE NOW. ? AND IT SHOWSATE GOING IN THERE. SO ARE THEY BUTTED UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, AND WHERE DO THEY PARK? >> WHICHIT AGENTS HERE, IF I REMEMBER,N SOME OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MEETINGS IS FRONT ENTRY GARAGES ON THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. MUCH LIKE YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE OTHER NEWER DEVELOPMENTS. >> OKAY. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME. >> CLAYTON PHARAOH, AGENT FOR THE OWNER. WHERE I AM AGREEING WITH TIM AND WHAT HE HAS PRESENTED SO FAR THE PROPERTY HAS SWITCHED HANDS FROM THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF THOSE PATIO HOMES THAT FRONT TO THE EAST. BUT THE INTENT OF THE CURRENT OWNER IS TO TRY TO MATCH THAT FIELD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT HE DESIRES REAR ENTRY WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN CHANGE. BUT HAS COMMITTED TO ME THAT HE WOULD DO ENCLOSED GARAGES FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF THESE OTHER LOTS THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. AT LEAST TWO SPACES PER UNIT, POSSIBLE DRIVEWAY PARKING FOR ADDITIONAL SPOTS AS WELL. >> PARKING IN BETWEEN THE UNITS? >>. I AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE HE'S COMMITTED TO DOING PARKING OFFSTREET ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> THAT'S STREET ENTRY. >> CORRECT. AND THE OPEN SPACE BEHIND THAT WILL STILL BE USED FOR PARKING FOR THE ORIGINAL 5 ON ORANGE STREET? THE OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE? >> THE PRIVATE DRIVE, THE PD RIGHT THERE >> WHERE IT SAYS "EXISTING PRIVATE DRIVE"? >> THE AERO POINTS TO THE MIDDLE AREA BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES WILL THAT STILL REMAIN AN OPEN SPACE. >> THAT'S AN EXISTING OPEN DRIVE THAT WILL PLAT THAT HAD WAY AND IT WON'T GO AWAY. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL RECEIVE A MOTION >> SO MOVED. >> MOTION, BY CRAVER, AND. >> AND SECONDED BY PRICE. >> CRAVER. >> YES. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPS ALBUS. >> BE THE YES, MCALISTER. >> YES, HURT. [22. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2022-17: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Grace Tabernacle Church Represented By Nancy Brown And Gene Dezell To Change Zoning From Residential Single Family (RS-6) To Neighborhood Retail (NR), On Approximately .62 Acres In South Abilene, Legal Description Being Lots 5-8, Block 15, Campus Addition, Abilene, Taylor County, Texas. (Tim Littlejohn)] >> ARE THE YES. >> MOTION CARRIES, AND I WILL [04:25:03] HAVE TIM LITTLEJOHN PLANNING OF DIRECTING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IT IS CASE Z-2022-OWNER, GRACE TABERNACLE CHURCH, OWNERS ARE NANCY BROWN, AND JEAN GENE DEZELL, AND YOU ARE REQUESTING A REZONING, FROM A RESEARCH 6 TO A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, AT 1334, AND, MARSHALL STREET. 0 IN FAVOR, AND 0 OPPOSED. HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP ON THE AERIAL. HERE'S THE YOUR CAN EENT ZONING MAP. SHOWING RESEARCH 6. HERE'S THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT. WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE IS A PERMITTED USE. THE ORIGINAL ZONING WAS RESEARCH 6, AND THE PROPOSED USE WAS GOING TO BE A CENTER, AND THE REASON FOR THE ZONE REQUEST FOR THIS AFTERNOON, HERE'S A PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. NOTIFICATION AREA MAP, 0 IN FAVOR, 0 OPPOSED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND LAND USES,ING P AND Z, IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS AFTERNOON. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF TIM? >> THANK YOU, TIM. >> AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> HI, MY NAME IS JULIE FERGUSON. ACTUALLY, THE OWNER OF EARLY LEARNING CHILDCARE ACADEMY CENTER INNANCE. I'VE ONLWNED IT FOR FIVE YEARS LOOKING TO EXPAND AND WE FOUND THIS BUILDING IT IS REALLY PERFECT FOR IT AND IN THAT AREA THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHILDCARE CENTERS IN THE AREA AND IT'S A GREAT BUILDING. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION OR I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION, BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES. >> BEARD. >> YES, ALBUS. >> YES, MCALISTER. >> YES. >> CRAVER. >> YES. [23. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2022-18: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Sugar Agua #1 Ltd Represented By Matthew Muzechenko To Change Zoning On Approximately 7.15 Acres In Southwest Abilene From Agricultural Open (AO) To General Commercial (GC). (Tim Littlejohn)] >> HURT. >> YES. MOTION CARRIES. MOVE TO ITEM 23, AND I WILL CAN TI LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. >> UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS AFTERNOON IS Z-2022-18. OWNER, SUGAR AGUA, AND THE OWNER IS MATTHEW MUZECHENKO, AND FROM OPEN SPACE TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL AT 5309 HIGHWAY 277. >> HERE'S A LOCATION MAP.. >> AND HERE'S THE AERIAL. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. >> HERE'S THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. HERE'S PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORING AND SUBJECT PROPERTY. NOTIFICATION AREA. WE RECEIVED 0 IN FAVOR, AND 0 OPPOSED. >> STAFF HAS FOUND INCONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND FUTURE LAND USE. P AND SETS, DID HERE THIS BACK ON JULY 5TH AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR YOU THIS MORNING. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, TIM. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION, OR I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION >> SO MOVED. >>. >>, SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN MIXES, AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PRICE, COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. >> YES, CRAVER. >> YES, WILLIAMS ABSENT. >> PRICE. >> YES. >> ALBUS. >> YES, HURT. >> YES. [25. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving the 2021-2022 Revised Budget (Mike Rains)] >> MOTION CARRIES. . >> WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 25. COUNCIL WILL NOW CONSIDER A FINAL READING. THE ORDINANCE APPROVING THE REVISED 2021-2022, BUDGET, I WILL ASK MY FINANCE DIRECTOR, MIKE RAINS, TO PRESENT INTEREST ITEM. >> YES, MIKE RAINS, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. THE FIRST BUDGET ITEM IS APPROACHING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGETS BEING REVISED ON JULY 27TH, DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP COUNCIL APPROVED A BUD OF 303,172,000 YOU $374. [04:30:05] THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BUDGET. AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THIS WILL BE OUR FINAL HEARING ON THIS, AND FINAL VOTE ON THE REVISED BUDGETS, SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS, MR. RAINS? AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE COME FORWARD, AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? IF IT NOT, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER, CAN SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. >> MCALISTER >> YES, CRAVER. >> YES, WILLIAMS ABSENT. COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> BEARD. [26. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving and Adopting the Proposed Budget for Fiscal Year 2022-2023 (Mike Rains)] >> YES, ALBUS. >> YES, HURT. >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES, I WILL ASK MIKE RAINS TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE]. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. Z THANK YOU, COUNCIL DAVIS. DURING THE AFTERNOON WORKSHOP THERE WAS 0 PRESENTATION ON WHAT WE ARE SPENDING IN 23. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. MAYOR WILLIAMS, WE JUST WENT ON FULL SPEED AND WE COMPLETELY SKIPPED OVER THAT, BECAUSE MR. HANNA SPECIFICALLY SAID I WILL TELL YOU LATER ABOUT THE SIX PERCENT PROPOSED SALARY RAISES FOR THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PRESENTATION. PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY DIDN'T CARE HE'S LEWDED TO THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT, AND NOW WE ARE HERE AT THE FINAL READING ON THIS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE SPENDING. YOU SAID THAT SINCE BASICALLY WE ARE GETTING RID, YOUR FIRING ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE CONVENTION CENTER IF THEY DON'T TRANSFER IF FIREFIG/* TO THE PA SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND WE ARE REDUCING IT BY THAT MUCH MONEY, AND IN WAY, IT'S A SHAME THAT THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE OUT BECAUSE WE ARE HIRING A COMPANY TO RUN OUR OWN CONVENTION CENTER, BUT LIKE I SAID, MR. HANNA SAID WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT. NOT THE CITIZENS CARE, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION YOU KNOW. LIKE WE WERE PROMISED. BUT I GUESS WE CAN'T DO IT, AND WE ARE DOWN TO THE FINAL READING. I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP. WHOEVER WATCHES THIS TODAY, OR SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. THAT'S HOW THEY DID BUSINESS IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. >> WE DID HAVE A PRESENTATION IN THE BUDGET, AND IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO, YOU WILL SEE THE PRESENTATION, THE SIX PERCENT COUNCIL HAS ALL OH, INDICATED AS MONEY THAT IS ASSOCIATED AS THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT FOR SALARIES, AND IT DOESN'T KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT RATE OF INFLATION, AND IT'S WHAT WE CAN AFFORD DO. IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST HISTORIC SALARY WE'VE DON ON EMPLOYEE'S SALARIES, CERTAINLY IN MY CAREER. AS FAR AS THE EMPLOYEES IN THE CONVENTION CENTER. >> NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED OR BEING FIRED. WE ARTICULATED THIS CLEARLY WITH THE WORKERS THAT ARE THERE, THEY HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR OPEN POSITIONANCE WE WILL GIVE THEM PRIORITY, IF THERE'S A JOB FIT AND THEY WANT IT, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET IT. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO GO TO ASM, GLOBAL OR TAKE A POSITION WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE THAT IS THEIR DECISION. BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ANYBODY AND SAYING THAT YOU ARE OUT ON YOUR FEET, WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. AND THE ENTIRE BUDGET IS RAIL ONNINE. IT IS THERE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET SINCE WHAT IS [04:35:01] IT JANUARY? >> YES, SIR. >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET SINCE JANUARY, AND ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE A PENNY IS BEING SPENT CAN GO ONLINE, AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET, AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. WE ARE TILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS? >>. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE TWO VOTES, WITH SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. SO I WOULD READ THAT, RIGHT. I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR, 2022, TO 2023, WITH A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY, ALL OPERATING FUNDS, 315 MILLION, $506,200,708. . >> SO MOVED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER >> HERE'S THE MOTION AND SECONDED. >> I MADE THE MOTION. >> I SECONDED IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? >> READY TO VOTE. >> COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. >> YES. >> CRAVER. >> YES, WILLIAMS, ABSENT. PRICE >>YES, BEARD. >> YES, ALBUS. >> YES, HURT. >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES. >>. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. THIS BUDGET WILL RAISE MORE TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES THAN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BY AN AMOUNT OF 4,809,000, $130, WHICH IS AN 8.9 PERCENT INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. THAT AMOUNT, $1,002,501,696 IS TAX REVENUE TO BE RAISED FROM NEW PROPERTY ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL THIS YEAR. >>. >> I WILL TAKE A SECOND >> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT WE ARE READY TO VOTE. COUNCILMAN MCALISTER, YES, WILLIAMS, AND SENT. >> YES. >> ALBUS. >> YES, BEARD. [27. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving and Adopting the Proposed 2022-2023 Tax Rates (Mike Rains)] >> YES. >> A HURT. >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 27 AND ASK MIKE RAINS ONCE AGAIN. >> MANY YES, SIR, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IN SUPPORT OF THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET. COUNCIL APPROVED AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP A TOTAL TAX RATE OF .7621 PER HUNDRED DOLLARS. WHICH CONSISTS SEV.5988 FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND .1633 FOR INTEREST IN SYMCHING, THIS IS THE FINAL VOTES ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATES. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON APPROVEAL AND IT WILL REQUIRE 60 PERCENT OF THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THIS. >> MIKE, IF I COULD ASK ONE QUESTION,ING YOU ARE GOING TO SHOW THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR, AND THE TAX RATE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR NEXT YEAR? >> YES, AND THIS NEXT SLIDE IS GOING TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE CHANGES IN THAT. COUNCIL APPROVED .5988 FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, LAST YEAR, IT WAS POINT SYKES 019. >> FOR INTERET IN SYNCHING, APPROVED TORE THIS YEAR, IS 1.6 CAN 33, AND FOR A TOTAL TAX RATE OF SELF 628, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S 7851, THAT'S A 2.3 PERCENT DECREASE IN THE TAX RATE. OUR NEW REVENUE TAX RATE WAS .7155, AND SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABOVE THAT. IT IS CONSIDERED A TAX INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE ASSESSED VALUES OF TAX INCREASE. YOU WILL ALSO NOTE THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE WAS .7349, AND BECAUSE WE HAD UNUSED INCREMENTS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, WE DIDN'T COMPLETELY USE UP THAT APPROVAL TAX RATE IT HAS MOVED TO .7876 FOR THIS YEAR SO THERE WOULD BE NO VOTER APPROVAL REQUIRED. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS EYE TELL. PLEASE COME FORWARD, AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, DAVID SCHWARTZ. WELL, I GOT THIS POST CARD IN THE MAIL, AND I LOOKED IT OVER, AS I DROVE UP THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. THIS CAME FROM THE CENTRAL DISTRICT, AND NOT FROM THE CITY. TALKING ABOUT 22 TAX RATES. BUT YOU KNOW HE JUST WENT OVER THE TAX RATES LIKE HE SAID LAST FISCAL YEAR WAS .7851. AND THEN IS GOING TO BE .7621. WHEN YOU GET OUT TO TEN THOUSANDS, WHERE YOU ARE FIGURING MONEY IN THE TEN THOUSANDS, YOUR TALKING ABOUT SOME SERIOUS FIGURE IN HERE. AND LIKE HE SAID IT WOULD BE 23 THOUSANDS, WHICH WOULD BE .023 LESS, AND IT MAY SOUND STRANGE, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE IT TO KEEP [04:40:01] SAME, AND USE THE $0.02 IF YOU CAN TO FIX THE STRAITS. ARE BOUND BY STATE LAW THAT WE CAN ONLY GO SO HIGH OR SOLO, AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY I KNOW I WAS JUST AT WHAT A BURGER, AND I SAW ONE OF THE GUYS OUT AT THE COLISEUM IS WHAT WE CALLED IT, AND I TOLD HIM I WAS COMING TO THE MEETING. TELL THEM TO FIX THOSE STREETS. THE STREETS ARE WORSE, AND YOU SAY WELL FAITHS TO TAKE YEARS. >> WELL I KNOW, BUT IT JUST SEEMS, IF YOU COULD USE THAT EXTRA FUNDING SO THAT WAY MAYBE OUR PUBLIC MUNICIPAL STATEMENT WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE THAT INCREASE ON THE FEES. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE BOUND BY STATE LAW. THEY PASSED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE YOU CANNOT GO OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WITHOUT WHAT THEY CALL A RECALL. BUT AND LIKE THE OLD TIMERS ]. >> DAVID I HOPE YOU DIDN'T GO TO WAH-A-BURGER. >> I AM AN OLD TIMER TOO. >> WE ARE STILL IN THE AFTERNOON PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS? >> EARLY MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ATOMS OF THE TAX RATE OF .7621 FOR 100, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 7.1 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. >> SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND. COUNCILMAN PRICE. READY TO VOTE. >> COUNCILMAN PRICE. >> YES. >> BEARD. >> YES. >> ALBUS. >> YES >> MCALISTER. >> YES, CRAVER. >> YES, WILLIAMS ABSENT. AND HURT. [28. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Adopting Fees and Charges for Fiscal Year 2022-2023 (Mike Rains)] >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> I MOVE TO ITEM 28. APPROVING THE PROPOSED F Y, 22, AND 23 CHARGES. >> OUR FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE IS APPROVING THE PROPOSED, 2023, FEE SCHEDULE. COUNCIL APPROVED THE FEE SCHEDULE ON JULY 27TH AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. SINCE THAT TIME WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO SOME OF THE AIRPORT FEES, LANDING FEES, TERMINAL USE FEE, AND AIRPORT PARKING RATES. SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THOSE CHANGES OF THE FEE SCHEDULE TODAY. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS IN OF MIKE? AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE ARE READY TO HE VOTE. COUNCILMAN MIXES >> YES, CRAVER. >> YES, WILLIAMS ABSENT. >> YES >> PRICE. >> YES. >> ALBUS. >> YES, HURT. [EXECUTIVE SESSION] >> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES. >> IT IS NOW 1:21 P.M. WE WILL RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. 6551.071, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY DELIBERATION WITH REAL PROPERTY, 6551.073, DELIBERATION ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS, AND SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS, 6551.076, DELIBERATIONS ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES, SECTION * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.