[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:07] >> AT THIS TIME I WOULD CALL THE ABILENE BOARD OF STANDARDS SEPTEMBER 7, 2022 MEETING CALLED TO ORDER. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL HAVE SIGNED IN AT THE DOOR. IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, PLEASE DO SO AT THIS TIME. >> FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS [MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 3RD MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTION. >> ON OUR MINDS UNDER PUBLIC HEARING, THE FOURTH LINE SAYS MS. CHENEY SHYLY AND TAMMY, R T-A-M-M-I-IS HER NAME. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS. >> STAND APPROVED AS READ OR PRESENTED. WITH THE CORRECTIONS. >> MOTION BY MR. ALLRED, SECOND BY DR. PARIS THAT MINUTES BE APPROVED AS CORRECTED BOAT OF THEM PLEASE. >>. MOTION PASSES. >> AS A STATEMENT OF POLICY FOR THIS HEARING TODAY IN ALL CASES EXCEPT FOR SPECIFICALLY STATED OTHERWISE, BUILDINGS MUST BE SECURED AND LOCKED CLEAN BY THE OWNER WITHIN TEN DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE NOTICE OF THE RESULTS OF THIS HEARINGCH IF THIS IS NOT DONE, THE CITY MAY SO AND BILL THE OWNER. IN ANY CASE WHERE THE BOARD ORDERS THE OWNER TO DEMOLISH A STRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES BUT THE OWNER FAILS TO DEMOLISH SUCH AS, PLUMBING, AND HEATING AND AIR AIR-CONDITIONING CONTRACTORS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO REPRESENT YOU AT THE HEARING, THE RIGHT TO INSPECT THE FILE ON THE PROPERTY AT THE OFFICE OF PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PRIOR TO THE HEARING. AND THE RIGHT TO REQUEST THE PRESENCE OF CITY STAFF FOR THE PURPOSES -- FOR THE PURPOSE OF QUESTIONING AT THE HEARING ALL THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ANY CASE TODAY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. GO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU SHALL GIVE TODAY SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. WITH THAT MR. MAYERS, WE'RE READY FOR OUR FIRST CASE. I BELIEVE IT WILL TABLE LAST [A. Case for Rehabiliation, Demolition, or Civil Penalties - Case No. 21-001757: 774 E. HWY 80 (RADFORD HTLLS SEC 3 CONT 1, BLOCK 4, LOT 1, TAYLOR COUNTY, TEXAS) Owner: TRAVERS HOLDINGS LLC] WEEK, LAST MONTH SO I NEED A MOTION TOWN TABLE. >> MOTION TO UNTABLE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MR. ALLRED, SECOND BY MR. SHED AER. WE UNTABLE CASE NUMBER 21-001757 ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> MOTION PASSES. >> GOOD MORNING. >> I AM JOSH JUAREZ, CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR CONDEMNATION PROGRAM. WE DO HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR CASES ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. AND THIS WAS A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WAS PUBLISHED FOR TODAY'S MEETING AND OUR FIRST CASE IS CASE NUMBER 21-001757 WHICH I HAVE JUST REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. SO THE CHECKLIST FOR RECORD SEARCH LIST SHOWS SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED SHOWS TRAVELERS HOLDING LLC TO BE THE OWNER. SECRETARY OF STATE SHOWS CAPITAL CORPORATE SERVICES INCORPS RATED TO BE THE REGISTERED AGENT. TAX RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY ARE NOT APPLICABLE. UTILITY RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHOW TO BE INACTIVE SINCE JANUARY OF 2020. AND THE SEARCH REVEALS TRAVELERS HOLDING LR LC TO BE THE OWNER THIS WAS THE PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON THE STRUCTURE FOR TODAY'S HEARING. [00:05:02] THIS IS THE FRONT SIDE OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE AND THE REAR NORTH SIDE OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE. THE EAST SIDE OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE. AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE. SO UPON OUR INITIAL INSPECTION, THESE WERE THE SUBSTANDARD CODE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, INADEQUATE SANITATION, STRUCTURAL HAZARD, NUISANCE, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, HAZARDOUS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION AND INADEQUATE EXITS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE NUISANCE VIOLATIONS IDENTIFIED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. WE HAVE SOMEDY LAPPATION WITH SIGN ACKNOWLEDGE AND SOME OPENINGS. YOU HAVE HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, SEVERAL COMPONENTS WITH LOOSE WIRES HANGING AND EXPOSED. HAZARDOUS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, DISMANTLED AIR-CONDITIONING UNITED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION, AREA WHERE SOME OF THE WINDOWS WERE SHATTERED AND NOT HAVING PROPER WEATHERIZATION. INADEQUATE EXITS THROUGHOUT THE EXTERIOR OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURECH INADEQUATE SANITATION IN THE INTERIOR OF THE OFFICE STRUCTURE. YOU SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL TOILETS AND FACILITIES NOT ABLE TO BE USED OR MAINTAINEDCH NUISANCE EXTENSIVEDY LAPPATION THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR OF THIS MAIN STRUCTURE. AND HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, SEVERAL WIRE BOXES AND EXPOSED WIRE EXPOSED THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. AND HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS WHERE THERE IS SOME EXPOSED PIPE, PVCS AND DRAINS. AND HAZARDOUS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. THIS WAS ALL IDENTIFIED IN THE LIKE LOOKED TO BE SOME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE OR SERVICE ROOM. YOU HAVE AIR DUCTS AND DISMANTLED AIR-CONDITIONING UNITS ON THE INSIDE AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THE EAST SIDE UNITS OF THE HOLTEL. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL UNITS ARE BOARDED UP SO GIVEN AN INADEQUATE EXIT, A CODE VIOLATION, NUISANCE, CHAPTER 19, INTERIOR AND EXTERIORDY LAPPATION THROUGHOUT THE UNITS, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, SEVERAL AREAS WHERE THERE WERE SOME, AGAIN, OPEN BOXES AND LOOSE WIRES EXPOSED. THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE UNITS. AND AGAIN, SEVERAL UNITS BOARDED UP, SOME INADEQUATE EXITS. FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE EXPOSEED AND THERE IS NO PROPER WEATHERIZATION, SHATTERED WINDOWS. NUISANCE, EXTERIOR AND INTERIORDY LAPPATION, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING AS WELL. LOOSE WIRES. AND HAZARDOUS PLUMBING. SOME EXPOSED DRAINS AND PIPES AND PVCS. STRUCTURAL HAZARDS, THIS IS IN THE SECOND BALCONY LEVEL OF THESE UNITS. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME AREAS WHERE THEY'RE BEGINNING TO SPLIT AND DETERIORATE. THESE ARE THE WESTSIDE UNITS. AND SAME CONDITIONS EXIST, INADEQUATE EXITS, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT, NUISANCE EXTERIOR AND INTERIORDY LAPPATIONS, INADEQUATE SANITATION. THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT PHOTOS AS OF JULY 19TH, TAKEN OF THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL REST ROOMS THROUGHOUT THAT ARE NOT USEABL. STRUCTURAL HAZARDS, SEVERAL AREAS WHERE THERE IS EXPOSED FLOORING TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS NO END AND VERY HAZARDOUS TO WALK THROUGH. HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING. YOU HAVE SYMPTOM LOOSE WIRES HANGING THROUGHOUT THE CEILING. AND HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, EXPOSED DRAINS AND PIPES AND HAZARDOUS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SEVERAL AIR-CONDITIONING UNITS THAT ARE DISMANTLEED AND FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION, WINDOWS SHATTERED AND WITH NO PROPER WEATHERIZATION. AND THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF ALL THE UNITS AS OF YESTERDAY. AS YOU CAN SEE ALL UNITS HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP, WINDOWS AND DOORS INCLUDED. SO TIMELINE OF EVENTS TO JUST IN ESSENCE OF SAVING TIME, WE'RE GOING TO FAST FORWARD TO THE AUGUST 3RD MEETING. AND WAS THE BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS THAT DECIDED TO TABLE THE CASE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. AUGUST 9LET, 2022 BOARD DECISION THAT SENT FOR THE OWNER VIA CERTIFIED AND REGULAR MAIL. AUGUST 17TH, STAFF WAS INFORMED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS REQUESTING A LIST OF OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WERE IN NEED OF REPAIR. CODE OFFICER INFORMED HIM THESE ITEMS COULD ONLY BE PROVIDED BY [00:10:05] HIS CONTRACTORS AND THEY WERE TO IDENTIFY ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED WITH THIS PLAN OF ACTION AS WELL. AUGUST 24TH, RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM THE OWNER WITH A NEW PLANNING OF ACTION, COST ESTIMATE AND THE ASBESTOS SURVEY. THE PAPERWORK WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR REVIEW. AND ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, JUST AN UPDATE ON THE TIMELINE, THE OWNER WAS INFORMED VIA E-MAIL THAT HIS PLAN OF ACTION WAS APPROVED WITH THE CONTINGENCY THAT HE SUBMITTED A NEW FLOOR PLAN WITH FOR EVERY SINGLE UNIT AND, INCLUDING THE MAIN OFFICE STRUCTURE SO THAT WAY EVERYTHING COULD BE IDENTIFIED IN THE FLOOR PLAN. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO FIND THAT THE PROPERTY IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND THAT IS A HAZARDOUS TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE AND REPAIR OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE UNREASONABLE. AND THE OWNER IS ORDERED TO DEMOLISH OR APAPPEAL THE ORDER TO DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OR THE CITY PLAY DEMOLISH. >> DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THE PLAN OF ACTION WAS APPROVED? >> IT WAS APPROVED WHERE WHERE WITH THE DEPOSITION THAT HE SUBMIT A NEW FLOOR PLAN. THAT PART WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET AND I'M NOT SURE -- I KNOW MR. LIEBERMAN, THE OWNER IS HERE TODAY TO TESTIFY, I'M NOT SURE IF HE HAS THAT WITH HIM, BUT I DID INFORM HIM THAT A FLOOR PLAN NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE THE ENTIRE PLAN OF ACTION WAS APPROVED. >> WOULD YOU BRING BACK UP MOUNTING HAS THIS PROPERTY BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD? >> IT WAS CONDEMNED IN JUNE OF 2021. >> YES, SIR, IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO THE BOARD THIS APRIL 6. >> I GOT NOTICE TEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING AND I HAD A COMMITMENT TO SPEAK AT AN EVENT IN FLORIDA FOR THE MORTGAGE NATIONAL CONFERENCE CONVENTION. OFFEND MY BEHALF KEITH AND THE BROKER TAMMI. THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE ORIGINAL ORDER TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE, THAT WAS BACK IN APRIL, WE DID SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PORTAL SYSTEM. AND WHAT CAME BACK, FOR THIS TYPE OF PERMIT WE NEEDED TO ORDER AN ASBESTOS REPORT. [00:15:09] GETTING AN ASBESTOS COMPANY TO DO THAT TAKES SOME TIME. WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT WAS TAKING LONGER THAN WHICH COULD IMAGINE, BUT THE TIMELINE THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL ORDER DIDN'T SEEM LIKE WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OTHER THAN APPLY -- GET THROUGH AN APPROVED PERMIT WITHIN 60 DAYS WHICH IS WHAT I READ THAT IS STATED. BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, ONCE WE GOT THE REPORT BACK IN, WE RESUBMITTED THE APPLICATION WITH THE BREAKDOWN WITH CONSTRUCTION CONCEPTS IS GIVING US SOME ESTIMATES AND ECHECKED ON IT IN END OF AUGUST, SEPTEMBER 1ST. BUT I STILL HAD NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE SOME FLOOR PLANS OF THE EXISTING MOTEL, THE ROOMS AND THE SITE. OUR PLAN IS NOT TO ADD ANY ADD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOT ACKNOWLEDGE OR SUBTRACT ANY. IT IS TO REHAB THE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AND MAKE THEM RENT-READY FOR AN EXTENDED STAY. SO NOW WE HAVE TO HIRE A DESIGNER OR ARCHITECT TO GO IN THERE AND MEASURE ALL 84 ROOMS ARE THE SAME SIZE -- FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND SUBMIT THAT BACK TO THE CITY FOR THE FINAL PERMIT PROCESS. MR. WATSON, I'M ASSUMING IS THE PROCESS. >> YEAH, CORRECT. IN ORDER TO DO A CODE ANALYSIS ON THE PROPERTY, A. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT. A FLOOR PLAN WITH ALL DIMENSIONS AND THEN IDENTIFY THE USE OF EACH ROOM. I REALIZE THAT THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR BUT WE DO NEED TO OVERALL SIZE AND WHATNOT. THE MAIN CONCERN IS THE OFFICE AREA THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND ALTERED MULTIPLE TIMES. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING IT. THERE WAS A RESTAURANT. IF THERE IS SOME -- I KNOW THERE IS SOME WASHER/DRIER HOOKUPS, A LONG LINE OF THOSE THAT WERE DONE WITHOUT PERMITS, WITHOUT THE DIRECTION OF INSPECTIONS OR ANYTHING. THERE IS A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IS THE ISSUE. WE DON'T KNOW. >> I INHERITED THAT YOU KNOW AS ORIGINAL PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T DO, AND IT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO FORECLOSE SON. IT WAS A LONG PROCESS. MY INSPECTIONS ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE IS A SMALL RECEPTION AREA AND I WAS TOLD ON THE RIGHT SIDE THEY WERE TURNING THAT INTO A LANDRY MAT FOR THE USE OF THE 84-UNIT EXTENDED STAY. BUT WHEN I FIRST CAME ABOARD, I THOUGHT THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND FLOOR PLANS AND I WAS CORRECTED THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO OBTAIN OR & FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT SO WE CAN RESUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY. BUT THAT IS POSITIVE NEWS PRIOR TO THIS, WE WERE IN NEGOTIATIONS AND CONTRACTS WITH A GROUP THAT REPRESENTED THE VA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REHABILITATE THE FACILITY AND DO AN EXTENDED STAY SO THAT VETS THAT WERE RECOVERING FROM BECOME OFF THE STREETS OR MENTAL DISORDER, DRUG DISORDERS WOULD STAY THERE AS A HALFWAY FACILITY UNTIL THEY CAN RECOVER. THE GROUP CONTINUALLY SAID THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THEY CAME TO A POINT WHERE WE FINALLY SAID, WE CAN'T CONTINUE, BECAUSE THEY [00:20:02] WEREN'T DOING WHAT THEY COMMITTED TO, AND I THINK YOU SAW THAT THE LAST MEETING. SO OUR HOPES IS THAT YOU FIND THAT YOU CONTINUE THE PROCESS TO GET THE PERMITS AND MR. WATSON, ONCE YOU RECEIVE THE PLANS, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE BEFORE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AN APPROVAL PROCESS THIS HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? >> AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS THERE, IT IS A 10 TO FIN-WORKING DAY PROCESS. >> FOR YOU TO REVIEW IT AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION? OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE POSITIVE COMMENTS HERE I DO THANK YOU AND HOPE YOU CONTINUE ALLOW US TO CONTINUE ACTIVELY PEOPLE ARE APPROACHING TO PURCHASE AND BECOME THAT NEW OWNER TO REHAB THE FACILITY JUST FOR THE RECORD AND YOU MAY HAVE SPOKEN TO A FEW OF THOSE POTENTIAL BUYERS ONE IS HERE TODAY MAYBE TWO, MAYBE THREE PEOPLE TODAY ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY. IT IT IS NOT UNDER CONTRACT, WE HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS OF INTENT. BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS, RECEIVE A PERMIT AND GO THROUGH A REHABILITATION OF AN EXTENDED STAY FACILITY. QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> SO THE RISE 1 ORGANIZATION THAT WAS HERE IN APRIL WITH YOU, THEY'RE NOT A FACTOR ANYMORE. >> NOT IN MY MIND BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT DONE WHAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO DO. THEY WERE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS FROM THE DAY I APPLIED FOR THE APPLICATION AND CONTINUE IT. AND WHAT REALLY OCCURRED IS EVERY TIME THEY WOULD DO AN INSPECTION, THEY WOULD LEAVE DOORS OPEN, PEOPLE WOULD BREAK IN AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SECURITY WOULD BE CALLED AND WE WOULD HAVE TO REBOARD IT UP. WE'VE DONE THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WITH THE HELP OF KEITH SPROLS COMPANY, EVERY TIME WE FIND AN ACTION OR INFORMED OF IT, HE GOES THROUGHOUT AND REBOARDS. THIS LAST TIME HE BOARDED IT UP IN A WAY HOPEFULLY NOBODY CAN GET IN THERE UNTIL WE GET APPROVED FOR A PERMIT AND START WORK. >> I'M READING YOUR PLANNING ON BEING MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS REHABILITATION THAN IN THE PAST. >> YES, THAT IS WHY WE WENT THROUGH, WE PAID FOR ASBESTOS REPORT, I GOT THAT. AND -- THAT IS OUR GOAL. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE IT CONDEMNED AND TORN DOWN. BUT I THINK IT HAS SOME GOOD BONES TO IT. IT STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO BE A GOOD EXTENDED STAY CARE. THERE IS ONE SIMILAR PROJECT THAT SEEMS TO BE 90% OCCUPIED AT ALL TIMES AND THEY RENT THEM OUT 30 DAYS AT A TIME TO PARENTS AND FAMILY AND WORKERS THAT COME IN FOR THE THREE COLLEGES THAT ARE CLOSE BUY BY. THAT IS OUR GOAL. NOW IF SOMEBODY DOES COME IN AND PHILLY CONTRACT WITH THE ABILITY TO REHAB IT, MR. WATSON, IS OUR APPLICATION PERMIT ASSIGNABLE? >> >> HE DOES NEED THE ENTIRE FACILITY NOW. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WAS REQUESTED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. [00:25:02] >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE TIMING ON ALL OF THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR IN SEARCH OF AROUND ARC ARCHITECTURE. >> YES, YES. AND WHEN I RECEIVE THAT, THEN WE TURN INTO LABOR DAY WEEKEND AND WE'VE INQUIRED ON ARCHITECTS OR DESIGNERS THAT CAN DRAW UP FLOOR PLANS JO HE NEEDS DRAWING BUT THEY NEED TO BE STAMPED AND SEALED BY AN ARCHITECT. >> I DON'T THINK SO BUT CONSTRUCT ME IF I'M WRONG. >> FOR THE OVERALL SIZE OF THIS, THE SQUARE FOOT ACKNOWLEDGE EXCEEDS -- DOES IT NOT? >> IN A REDESIGN, YES, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE TEAMING EVERYTHING AS IS, A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL NOT NECESSARILY AN ARCHITECT COULD GIVE ME THE FLOOR PLAN. IF THEY GO IN AND START CHANGING, A AN ARCHITECT MAY BE REQUIRED. >> INTO. >> THAT HAS BEEN THE ISSUE. I DON'T NOW. >> WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE ASBESTOS AND WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE AND THAT ESTIMATE WAS THE $1.5 MILLION. >> THE ESTIMATE WAS THE $1.5 DID NOT INCLUDE ABATEMENT. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> I DON'T THINK IT INCLUDED ABATEMENT. >> IT MAYBE NOT. IT INCLUDED THE SURVEY BUT DID NOT INCLUDE THE ABATEMENT. >> I MEAN AS YOU'RE TRYING TO MARKET THIS TO BUILDERS AND, I MEAN FOR YOU, MARKETING -- YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ARCHITECTS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE TEAM TOGETHER TO TAKE THIS PROJECT ON AND YOU'RE DEVELOPING A REVELATION OF A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO INCLUDE HIDDEN COSTS TO PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING TO. THE ABATE NBC, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO OWN IT, BEYOND YOURSELF. >> MY GOAL -- AT THIS POINTNESS I CAN'T ASSUME ANYBODY IS BUYING IT AND WE'VE ENGAGED WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO HAS GIVEN US THE BIDS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE OUR COMPANY WHO OWNS IT NOW HAVE APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT, SO OUR INTENT IS TO CONTINUE WITH THAT PROCESS I JUST WANTED THE FOLKS HERE TO BE AWARE WE ARE APPROACHED BY BUYERS, BUT THERE ARE NONE NOBODY HAS BUDGET IT TO THIS DAY. SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T ASSUME AFTER A YEAR THAT ANYBODY IS BUYING IT. AND HAS THE CAPABILITY OF COMPLETING A PROCESS. >> IT IS IS A COMPLEX PROJECT AND WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PASS ALONG AND YOU HAVE BUYERS, THERE IS A LOT OF STEPS TO GET THIS THING READY AND AN UNDERSTANDING TO BE PURCHASED FIRST OF ALL. THERE IS A LOT OF COST IN THIS. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A VIABLE PROJECT IN MY OPINION YOU'VE GOT THE GREAT HOPES AND THE VISION FOR THE RIGHT SCOPE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THESE PROJECTS ARE -- CAN BE A LOT OF PIE IN THE SKY KIND OF THING AND IT IS GOING EVENTUALLY COME DOWN TO SOME DOLLARS OR GRANT MONEY OR FUNDING I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU SWALLOWED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA. AND I WISH THE RIGHT PEOPLE COULD COME ALONG AND REALLY ASSIST WITH THIS BUT I'M STILL UNSURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE TODAY AND MAYBE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM OTHERS YET. >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND YOUR COMMENTS. >> ADVICE. >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE IS COMMENTS HERE. >> WE HAVE ENGAGED A CONTRACTOR WHO HAS GIVEN US ESTIMATES AND IT IS THE SAME GENTLEMAN THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ACTED QUICKLY TO BOARD UP THE FACILITY MANY TIMES AS IT HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO. I'M FOLLOWING THE STEPS TO GO THROUG APPLICATION PROCESS, 1.5 MILLION IS WITHOUT THES A BEST TOAST CLEANUP. [00:30:03] WE HAVE TO GET ESTIMATEDS OFOR THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT $1.5 IS A LOT OF DOLLARS BRINGING IT TO COMPLETION WILL ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY IN MY OPINION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE THE SIMILAR PROJECT THAT WAS DONE A FEW MILES FROM HERE IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE ITS TWIN. >> WE WILL OBTAIN FUNDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT WITH APPROVAL OF THE CITY AND THIS WAS GOOD NEWS THIS WAS THE FIRST GOOD NEWS I'VE GOTTEN. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WILL BE POSITIVE AND WILL RESULT IN A POSITIVE OUTCOME. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MUCH UNLESS YOU DID, GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT YOUR GOING BE AGGRESSIVE TOWARD THIS PROJECT YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO IN&-Ú, BUT I THINK IT IS TIME FOR THAT TO GO AWAY AND WE NEED TO SEE SOME AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS, UNTIL A CONTRACT GET GETS SIGNED PERHAPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS TOWARDS REHABILITATION. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. EVEN WITH THIS VA GROUP THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT AND THEY WERE GOING BE AGGRESSIVE AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT SHOWED UP, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I MADE THE MISTAKE OF BELIEVING BUT I TOOK IT ON MYSELF TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, PAY FOR AN ASBESTOS REPORT, NORMALLY A BUYER COULD DO ALL OF THAT. >> TRUE. >> THEY DIDN'T. >> I WANTED BECAUSE WHEN I WAS HERE LAST IN APRIL, I MADE A COMMITMENT TO KEEP MOVE FRG EXPWARD THAT IS MY GOAL IS TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD. SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THE PLANS FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW TO APPROVE THE REHAB PERMIT WITHOUT CHANGING THE ROOMS SITE OR THE FACILITY OR SIZE, ADDING SQUARE FOOT ACKNOWLEDGE OR SUBTRACTING, BECAUSE I THINK THE FACILITY HAS GOOD BONES IN WHAT IT IS, AND WHAT WE MAY WITH THAT 1 AREA. AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THAT AREA WAS YEARS AGO, BECAUSE THE RECEPTION AREA IS ONE 10TH OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING, JUST A RECEPTION AREA FOR SOME PEOPLE TO CHECK IN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF SPOT WAS AND I CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE. BUT THAT IS MY GOAL AND AGAIN I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE WERE CONTACTED IN FACT THE GENTLEMAN DID COME HERE TODAY. SO HOPEFULLY ONE OF OUR CONTRACTOR WILL SPEAK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> REHABILITATING THE FACILITY. [00:35:43] >> OKAY. >> I MAY HAVE MISSED IT,. >> SO AS LONG AS -- ONCE THE APPROVAL IS DONE, WE'RE ON BOARD. WE HAVE SECURED MOST OF THE THAT BEING AC, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL, WE SECURED THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS. SO ONCE THE APPROVAL IS DONE, WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. >> THAT IS FINE, BUT HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO BE? >> WELL, AS SOON AS THE APPROVAL IS DONE THEN WE CAN GET THOSE GUYS SCHEDULED. WE'RE TALKING. >> GIVE ME HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. >> YES, SIR. >> HOW LONG WOULD IT ABOUT A YEAR. >> YA, THAT PROJECT WITH CURRENT WORLD CONDITIONS WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR. IN WHAT YOU SUBMITTED, WAS THERE A TIME FRAME. >> YOU SAW THE PICTURES IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A YEAR TO REHABILITATE, TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAN EVERYTHING UP, THE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, HVACS, COULD IT DOTH IT D BE DONE IN SIX MONTHS THAT IS TOO AGGRESSIVE BUT I'M GOING SAY A YEAR PROJECT FROM START TO FINISH. >> WE DON'T RECEIVE TIME FRAMES WHEN WE EVALUATE A PROJECT. I MEAN THAT WOULD BE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. A QUESTION WE DON'T HAVE. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> I WISH IT WOULD TAKE 90 DAYS. >> I'M SURE YOU DO. >> BUT. >> I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION MR. CHAIRMAN, SO THE MORTGAGE COMPANY WHICH YOU REPRESENT HAS THE MONEY TO DO THE WORK, YES OR NO. >> YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. >> WHAT IS THAT COMPANY? WHAT IS THAT MORTGAGE COMPANY'S NAME. >> WELL, IT IS TRAVERS HOLDING, THAT IS THE FACILITY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW IS THE LLC THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW. IF THOOR THE ONES THAT FORECLOSED ON THE PROPERTY. THEY WERE THE NOTE HOLDERS. >> THEY MEANING YOU. >> TRAVERS, I'M A REPRESENTATIVE, I'M A SMALL PART. >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL HERE, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD BY IN APRIL THAT AND YOU DID NOT CORRECT THE GENTLEMAN, THE VA FOLKS THE VETERAN'S GROUP SAID THEY DID HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS. >> RIGHT. >> AND YOU INDICATED YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MONEY TO FUND THAT THROUGH THE VA AND THAT WAS RE-ENFORCED AGAIN BY YOUR REPRESENTATIVES LAST MONTH SO MY POINT IS, YOU ARE STATING HERE TODAY THAT YOUR GROUP, TRAVERS HOLDINGS, YOU SPEAK FOR THEM AND THAT YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO FULLY FUND THIS PROJECT TO COMPLETION EVEN IF A BUYER DOES [00:40:01] NOT COME FORWARD. >> YES. >> AND I BELIEVE THE PERMIT PROCESS ONCE APPROVED WE HAVE IT BONDED AND GOT TO SHOW THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANY OTHERS WISH WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS RICKY ROBERTS I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EXOTICA LAMP SCAPES, HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH TRAVERS HOLE ABOUT BUYING A PROPERTY, THE REASON I'M HERE RIGHT NOW IS HE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO THIS MEETING. HE ASKED ME TO COME TO REALLY HEAR IN ON IT AND SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT HE IS INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY AND WANTING TO OBTAIN A CONTRACT WHENEVER HE GETS BACK IN. HE SHOULD BE BACK BY THE END OF THE MONTH. REALLY UNEXPECTED. HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY PERMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HE DOES HAVE IN HIS MIND ALREADY IT IS GOING TO COST $1.5 TO $2 MILLION TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. IF HE'S ABLE TO GET A CONTRACT AND OBTAIN THE PROPERTY SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE BY 2023. HE OWNS THE ECONO LODGE DOWN THE WAY, SOMETHING HE'S SERIOUS LOOKED AT OUT. >> HAVE YOU GOTTEN WITH MR. LIEBERMAN. >> NO, SIR, NOT ME PERSONALLY, I HAVE NOT. >> AGAIN, I HAVE NO CONNECTION OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT BUYING IT. WHO ARE THESE OTHER PEOPLE? AGAIN, MY APPLICATION IS BETWEEN TRAVERS HOLDING AND THE CITY AND OUR INTENT IS TO DO THAT REMODEL WAS I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE GET INQUIRIES ALL THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE PLEASE STEP FRD WARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> BRIAN MESY, 73, LAB ROD, I'M GLAD WE WENT WITH OUR GUT IN THIS ONE. THES A BEST STOWS REPORT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN A MONTH. WE'VE BEEN WAITING AND WAITING. AND SAW THE LAST MEETING ON VIDEO WE WERE NEVER INFORMED. WE WANT TO PUT IN A FULL PRICE OFFER, SO WE WOULD HAVE JUST LOST $305,000. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. ONCE YOU GET FUNDING WHATEVER YOU ASKED FOR ORIGINALLY IS ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GET. OUR INTENTIONS WERE REAL. AND WE'RE READY TO EXECUTE AND WORK 24/7 IF NECESSARY. AND EVERY WEEK AFTER THAT PAY ANOTHER $10,000 WHICH IS ALL NON-REFUNDABLE, BY THE WAY, THAT IS WHY WE DID NOT SIGN A CONTRACT. I JUST DROVE 15 HOURS TO COME HERE FOR TODAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY AND THERE WERE A FEW TIPLATION POINTS BEING REGARDING THE DEMOLITION. I WANTED TO STAND HERE TODAY TO DISCOVER WHAT WAS ACTUALLY OCCURRING WITH THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO EXECUTING. HERE I AM AND I'M LEARNING NEW THINGS AS WE'RE DISCUSSING IT. WE WERE READY TO SIGN AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PROSPECT, I NEED TO DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE PRIOR ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING ON CASE 001057. [00:45:10] WE RECEIVED A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. IS THERE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? >> WE'VE JUST BEEN PUT OFF AND AND PUT OFF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOTHING HAS HAPPENED THAT IS SURE AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS THAT IS BEING MADE ON THIS PROJECT AND SOUNDS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT LONGER BEFORE WE GET ANYTHING GOING ON IT. >> I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE APRIL MEETING THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS HAD OCCURRED WITH OTHER POTENTIAL BUYERS PRIOR TO THE APRIL MEETING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE GENTLEMAN HERE IN APRIL TO DISCUSS TO REPORT THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. AGAIN, A PROMISE AT THAT TIME THAT THEY HAD THE MONEY TO PROCEED AND THEY DID NOT HAVE HE DID NOT HAVE POSITIVE COMMENTS TO MAKE ABOUT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY HAVE THE INFORMATION. WHAT WAS THE TERM YOU USED A HOPE AND A PRAYEROR SOMETHING EARLIER. >> THE I WOULD HAVE A HOPE AND DESIRE THAT THIS PROJECT CONTINUE AND A LOT OF MY HOPE AND DESIRE CONTINUE WITH FUNDING OTHER THAN THE CITY THAT WOULD GO TO THE DEMOLITION PROCESS IF WE GO WITH NUISANCE AND CONDEMNING IT WHO A DEMOLITION THE CITY JUST BOUGHT THIS THING, NOT THE PROPERTY. I'M TELLING YOU THIS ABATEMENT THING AND ASBESTOS, WE DON'T WANT IT THIS BOARD ON BEHALF OF THIS CITY DOES NOT WANT THAT. I'M THINKING WE MAY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND HAVE SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION IF THAT IS LEGAL. >> COULD I ASK A LEGAL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? IF THE CITY DEMOLISHES DO THEY ROUTINELY PUT A ROUTINE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH BY A POTENTIAL BUYER BEFORE THEY CAN SELL THE PROPERTY? >> YES, THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO. >> OKAY, SO IF THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH ABATEMENT AND -- GRANTED I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE 300,000 DOLLAR APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE CHARGED AS A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL AS THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY BEFORE IT COULD ACTUALLY BE SOLD, CORRECT. >> IF THERE ARE EXPENSES THAT COULD NOT BE PAID WE WOULD PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. >> IF THE CITY DEMOLISHED THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE EXPENSES AGAINST THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THE CITY WOULD NOT BE PURCHASING IT. THE CITY WOULD IN FACT BE REIMBURSED. >> WELL, AND THAT IS A QUESTION REALLY FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR DEM LITIGATION. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS IF EXPENSE AREN'T PAID WE WOULD PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY ASK YOU'RE REQUESTING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> I WOULD, YES. [00:50:12] >> IF I MAY CLEAR SOMETHING UP, IN THAT AUGUST 17TH E-MAIL THAT I SENT TO MR. LIEBERMAN AND NEEDED TO BE DONE BY HIS LICENSEED AND CERTIFIED CONTRACTORS TO GO IN THERE AND GIVE THE COST ESTIMATES AND TELL HIM WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED TO BRING THIS PROJECT UP TO CODE. BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL TO MAKE SURE THEY SUPPLY THAT INFORMATION. >> BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS MAY NOT BE THE POSTED COPY OF THE AGENDA, BUT THE EXECUTIVE SECTION FOR SO WE CANNOT GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNLESS PROPERLY POSTED WITHOUT EXCEPTION. I'M WILLING TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU HAVE IT, BUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK MIGHT BE MIGHT NOT BE ADMINISTRATIVE ANYWAY AND THE CITY DETERMINES, I MEAN, AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING MR. RICE SPEAKS TO, BUT IF THE BOARD WAS TO ORDER DEMOLITION AND THE CITY MAY SO THEN THAT REALLY IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION AS TO HOW TO PROCEED AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU ANYWAY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF PUTTING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE ABLE TO GO INTO THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION THE WAY THIS WAS POST. >> EDIDN'T SEE THAT. >> THE GOVERNMENT CODE CONNECTION IS NOT LISTED. >> NOTED TEXAS CODE SESSION. >> THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON COPY OF THERE IS UNDER ITEM D, THE BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF ABILENE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATTERS LISTED BELOW AS AUTHORIZED BY THE NOTED TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS AND THAT IS FROM TODAY'S AGENDA. >> RIGHT, BUT THE SECTIONS ARE NOT LISTED SO I CAN SET THAT OUT AND GO LOOK AT THE POSTED AGENDA AND SEE WHAT WAS POSTED. SOAR FOLKS FOR THE DELAY. WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. CAN WE DISCUSS ANYTHING WHILE WE'RE WAITING? >> I'LL RECESS THIS MEETING FOR 10 MINUTES. WE'LL TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK HERE. IT IS 9:25. 9:26. PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE NUMBER [00:55:08] 001757. >> MOVE TO REOPEN OUR MEETING. >> DECIDED -- THERE IS NO MORE THEY NEED TO SPEAK ON. AT THIS TIME I'LL RECLOSE THE HEARING ON 001057. AND I GUESS WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A DECISION ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> CAN WE CONTINUE WITH ANOTHER ITEM AND COOL BACK TO THIS IN THIS SAME MEETING? >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I GUESS I'LL RECESS IF MEETING FOR ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES IN HOPES THAT SHE'LL GET BACK HERE. I'LL RECORNVENE THE MEETING AT 8:37. DO WE HAVE -- A DECISION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> I THINK WE WILL ADVISE THAT WE SHOULD NOT GROW INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, IF IT IS IS A LEGAL QUESTION, MR. RICE IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF QUESTION THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ADMINISTRATION. OKAY. IF YOU'D ALLOW. THERE IS CONFUSION WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AFTER TEAM MEATING WITH KELLY AND CITY ATTORNEY IT IS ADVISED WE DO NOT DO SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE POSTING IS ON THE AGENDA. TO HELP UNDERSTAND AND WRAP THIS UP TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT DO WE DO NEXT, HERE IS THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED IN IF PAST THAT IT IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO TAKE A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND TO ISSUE A DEMOLITION ORDER. WHAT THAT DOES ALLOWS IS IS TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAR AS THE CITY PROCESS. IT DOEST NOT REQUIRE US TO DEMO BUT ALLOWS US TO PROCESS IF WE SO CHOOSE TO. NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE SITUATIONS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL USUALLY HIRE AN ATTORNEY THEY WILL APAPPEAL THIS IN COURT THAT ALLOW US TO SAY, YOU SHALL DO THE FOLLOWING OR WE WILL DEMOL IN. SO THAT IS THE PROCESS OF FOLLOWED THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE WILLING TO DO IN THE CASE. THERE HAS BEEN A LONG DELAY AS FAR AS PROGRESS, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE THE DEMOLITION ORDER IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD SO CHOOSES. >> THANK YOU. AS A PERSONAL OPINION, I'D RATHER NOT SEE THIS PROPERTY DEMOLISHED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REHABILITATED. AT THE SAME TIME BASED ON ITS HISTORICAL PROGRESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS START TAKING PLACE TO REHABILITATE IT AND TO DRAG THIS FORM ON IS UNACCEPTABLE. LIKE TO SEE A TIME FRAME WHERE WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE SOME PROGRESS. SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS. WHAT'S THE OTHER WORDS? >> LET ME GO AHEAD AND HAVE SOME OF THIS TALK IN THIS OPEN MEETING. I DISAGREE WITH MOST EVER EVERYTHING YOU SAY AND GETS DOWN TO WANTING TO SEE THE PROJECT HAVE BASICALLY, IT NEEDS MORE TIME THAN WE NEED TO AGREE ON TO GET MORE INFORMS. THE AGGRESSION OF MR. LIEBERMAN AND WHAT HE NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH IN TERMS OF WE MAY WANT TO GET [01:00:02] HIM ONE MORE TIME BACK UP HERE AND DIRECT INFORMATION TO HIM WHAT THIS BOARD COULD REQUEST. >> ANSLEY: MAKING ANY DEMANDS PROBABLY MAKING A REQUEST IF THAT IS -- WE'RE NOT THE BOSS HERE. BUT A DEMOLITION ORDER I'M NOT FOR I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT LEAVE US AND GO INTO COURT STUFF, THAT DOESN'T SHINE VERY WELL FOR OUR BOARD IF IT GOES TO THAT. THAT IS THE WAY I FEEL. I WOULD LIKE OWN OUR RESPONSE AS A BOARD AND SEE THIS THING GO FARTHER, BUT YES, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR AND ACTION TO SEE WHERE THIS CAN GO. I'VE STATED EARLIER, I REALLY THINK THERE ARE LIDDEN COSTS. OWNERS AND BUYERS ARE READY TO THROW THEIR HANDS UP AND LEAVE IT. THEY COULDS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INVESTMENT IS RIGHT NOW FOR THEM TO JUST TURN AND WALK AWAY FROM IT. I DON'T HAVE A FEEL OF THAT'S 1 OF THEIR OPTIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM OUR TYPICAL 30/60 AND IF THIS IS DONE 60 DAYS OBTAIN AND GET ALL THE INSPECTIONS. THIS DOESN'T FACILITY WHAT WE NEED THEM TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEN BRING BACK TO US. THEY PROBABLY NEED 90 DAYS TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW. DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, GET SOME INFORMATION, BRING IT BACK TO US AND THEN, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE OWNER IF 90 DAYS. >> THEY WERE VERY WELL PREPARED TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND DID NOT GET FOLLOW-UP FROM THE OWNER. DOES THAT CONCERN YOU AT ALL. >> NO. NO BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO OUTLINE IF I'VE PROPOSED 90 DAYS WITH A 30-DAY CHECK-INS WITH OUR STAFF, TO ATTEST FOR THE PROGRESS GUYS, THIS BOARD HAS GOTTEN REAL GOOD ABOUT HANDLING BUSINESS. WE USED TO HAVE THINGS RUN THREE, FOUR YEARS. I'M STILL GLAD THAT WE'RE TALKING. I'M STILL GLAD THEY'RE STILL IN THE AUDIENCE IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION. WE NEED THE PLACE CLEANED UP. WE NEED THE PLACE GROOMED. IF BOARDS ARE ON THE OPENINGS AND IT IS SAFE YOU KIND OF THINK YOU'RE KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF IT THERE IS JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG WITH PEOPLE WANDERING ON THE SITE. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU TO PUT UP A FENCE, BUT THAT MAY BE MORE OF A -- YOU MAKE THE CALL. IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOUR LIABILITIES OF PEOPLE WANDERING ONTO THAT SITE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THAT BUILDING TO GET HURT THIS DOWN HAS SOME RIFF RAFF ON IT AND THIS TOWN COULD USE THAT MONKEY [01:05:04] BAR GYM, CLIMBING ON THE RAILS GETTING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, HANGINGS WHATEVER OFF OF IT'S MISCHIEF. BUT, THE PROPERTY IS A NUISANCE. THAT IS STATED AND IT IS DECLARED. WE CAN DECLARE IT A NUISANCE AS ONE STEP OF OUR PROCESS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOT SAYING DON'T GO TO DEMOLITION BUT GO TO INFORMATION EARRING YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WITH A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS THAT INCLUDE PANELING ASBESTOS. THERE IS IS ABATEMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO TEAR IT ALL OUT, YOU CAN ENCAPSULE LATE IT, YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS AND AS LONG AS THE SURVEY HAS DEFINED IT, AND GOT A RECORD OF IT, IF YOU DRIVE A NAIL IN A WALL, YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT HAVE AN INVESTOR CONTRACTOR DO YOUR THIS THING AND ENCAPSULE LATE IFP ENCAPSULATION IS A METHOD, THERE IS A LOT TO BE REMOVED BUT THERE COULD BE SOME SEALED AND IN THAT RESPECT, AS YOUR TEARING UP, CREATING DUST YOUR SPREADING THE GERM, SO WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR ABATE IS PART OF THIS I'M NOT UP ON ALL OF THE COST OF RENOVATION AN ABATEMENT, YOU HAVE A QUOTE OF AROUND $300,000. THAT SCARES ME AND SCARES ME FOR HIM. I DON'T WANT HIM TO GET INTO SOMETHING. I WANT MORE INFORMATION GATHERED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY I WANT THE PUBLIC PROTECTED I WANT YOU AS OWNERS PROTECTED I WANT THE BOARD PROTECTED. THINK SIX MONTHS INTO THIS AND WE'RE STILL ON A HOPE AND PRAYER TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS DONE. I AM CONCERNED THAT THE PERSON WHO WAS HERE IN APRIL SHOWS UP FROM OUT OF STATE SPECIFICALLY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CONCERN WITH THE CURRENT OWNER. I THINK WOE ARE PROTECTING THE CITY AND I THINK THAT WE ARE, IF WE DO PROCEED WITH THE DEMOLITION, WHICH I AM FOR ONE OF TWO WAYS GETTING MOTIVATION OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR OWNER. IF THIS WAS A SHAKE SPEARIAN PLAY IT WOULD BE CALLED "MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING" IN TERMS OF WHEY VIEW, PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE OWNER'S ACTIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND SO I AM FOR DEMOLITION AND PROCEEDING. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND PENALTIES, PUBLIC PENALTIES FOR THIS AND MAKE THEM QUITE SEVERE TO GUARANTEE THAT WE GET SOME ACTION HERE AND THAT THE CITY BE PROTECTED, CITY NOT JUST THE CITY OF ABILENE BUT THE PEOPLE OF ABILENE, THE ASBESTOS CONCERN THAT YOU CONTINUALLY RAISE, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH. AND IT CONCERNS IN THAT THE OWNER SAYS TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION, BUT HE SAYS THAT HE IS MOTIVATED AND BEING AGGRESSIVE. WELL, I QUESTION THAT, I QUESTIONED IT TO HIM AND I QUESTIONED IT TO MY COLLEAGUES. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. LET HE REOPEN THE PUBLIC CASE ON 001757, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND [01:10:10] STATE YOUR NAME. >> JACK LIEBERMAN. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHEN I SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I GOT A QUOTED FOR THE ASBESTOS REPORT, THAT IS TRUE. AND WE, YOUR HONOR, THIS GENTLEMAN THAT REPRESENTS A GROUP THAT WAS VYING FOR VA NEVER PAID A DIME FOR ANY INSPECTIONS THAT WE'VE PAID FOR NEVER COMPLETED HIS ACTION ITEMS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY HE'S HERE. HE HAS NO MONEY, HE HAS TOLD US MANY STORIES HI HAS BROUGHT PEOPLE IN TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, LEFT IT WIDE OPEN SO THAT WE WOULD PAY TO CONSTANTLY BOARD IT UP. I PAY MONTHLY FOR SECURITY. THEY CHOSE THAT SHOWS UP THREE TIMES A DAY. WE'RE SPENDING MONEY CONSTANTLY. AND WHEN YOU SAY SIX MONTHS, APRIL WAS THE DATE OF THE FIRST HEARING. NOW I'M BEING PASSIONATE AND I'M UPSET BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN MISREPRESENTATION AND I'M SHOWING UP HERE AND I GET SOLICITED FOR BUYS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT AGAIN. IT HAS NOT BEENSITION MONTHS, IT HAS BEEN FIVE MONTHS I'VE REQUESTED FROM THE CITY, THE PERMIT PROCESS AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT. SO I HOPE THAT I DO GET THE TIME TO TRY TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> AT THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 001757. I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE A TIME FRAME WHERE WE WOULD SEE SOME POSITIVE ACTION, SOME AGGRESSIVE ACTION AND I THINK OUR DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE CONVEYED TO THE OWNER WHAT OUR EXPECT 8S ARE THAT WE NEED TO START SEEING SOMETHING. WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A MOTION? >> I HAVE -- I'D LIKE TO PUT THE MOTION OUT THERE THAT WE DO DEVELOP A 90-DAY OVERALL TIME FRAME OF MONTHLY BUT WHAT YOU STATED SO FAR DOESN'T REQUIRE DO TO ANYTHING DURING THE 90. >> DURING THE COMPLETE 90, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING THAT OUR TYPICAL 30/60 DOES DOES. WE'RE NOT GETTING TERMITES WE'RE NOT GETTING INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH, CONTRACTORS AREN'T WORKING. THEY'RE NOT DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS A LARGE PROJECT. HE'S GOT TO GET AN ARCHITECT, I STILL THINK HOE NEEDS AN ARCHITECT. TO PLAN FOR HIM. HE NEEDS SOME PLANNERS MAYBE THAT CAN BE DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW BLEW HE NEEDS TO HAVE A HURRY UP ENGAGEMENT AND WE NEED TO KNOW STEP-BY-STEP IN 30-DAYS INCREMENT IF HE'S ACHIEVING THAT AND AT THE 90-DAY MARK HE AND HIS MONEY NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR US IN THAT 90 DAYS NOW THE 30 DAY APPOINTS WANT TO SEE CLEANED UP IN THE FIRST 30 DAYS AND BETTER SECURED AND IF THAT MEANS MOWERS ON THE GRASS AS NEEDED, I DON'T WANT ANY WEEDS OVER A FOOT ALL THE. STUFF LIKE THAT. KEEP THE PLACE LOOKING RIGHT OWN IT AND RESPECT IT. [01:15:02] NOW HOW AM I PUTTING THIS IN A MOTION? >> HOW ABOUT THIS SUGGESTION THAT WE WE GRANT HIM 30 DAYS TO PUT HIS TEAM TOGETHER, HIS PROJECT TEAM, OKAY. AND IF THAT IS NOT DONEETTE COMES BACK HERE. WE ALL KIND OF ASSUME THAT HE'S GOING HAVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT. I THINK HE'S GOING HAVE TO AN V AN ENGINEER AS WELL ALL THOSE SECT STORY CAN LOSE -- HE'S GOING HAVE TO REACCOMPLISH SOME PER AM METERS TO PUT THEM BACK. I THINK AN ENGINEER PROBABLY WITH THE SOME OF THOSE DETERIORATION, HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER EVALUATE THAT IS I'M THINKING THE WHOLE PACKAGES, YOU GET THE ARCHITECT ON IT, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN HIM HE & HIS ARCHITECT, THE ARCHITECT THEN HAS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. >> BUT THAT ALL NEEDS TO TRICK PLACE IN 30 DAYS. HE NEEDS TO ASSEMBLE HIS TEAM WITHIN 30 DAYS. HOW ABOUT THAT ARE YOU GIVING THEM MORE TIME THEN 30 DAY? >> THEN WE GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME, THE 60 TO GET PERMITS TOGETHER AND GET STARTED BUT WE HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING START HELPING ALL RIGHT, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE. >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY WAY TO GET A PERMIT IN 30 DAYS I STILL WANT TO RUN IT OUT FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER INFORMATION THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFINE. I'M TRYING TO DEFINE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR HIM AND HIS, OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO HIS HIS COMPANY WILL KEEP GENERATING DOLLAR COST IN ORDER TO IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS THING ROLLING TOWARD ABATEMENT AND THE REST OF THE PROJECT IF HE HAS BUYER ON BOARD, A ARCHITECT ITEM, A DEVELOPING TEAM HE COULD HAVE HIS DESIGN BUILT NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M THROWING A LOT OF LENIENCY TO DO THE DESIGNER AND THE GUY THAT HAS TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AND GET THE PLANS HE REALLY CAN'T EVEN GET PLANS IN 30 DAYS BUT HE CAN GET HIS TEAM ON BOARD. CAN YOU GET A TEAM ON BOARD IN 30 DAYS NO, 30 MINUTES TO THE MICROPHONE. NOW, AT THISTIME I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING 001757. [01:20:06] >> SO MY NAME IS KEITH SPROLS AND A CONSTRUCTION CONCEPTS THAT HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS 30 YEARS AND THESE ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROJECTS WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS AND WE DO A LOT OF FIRE AND WATER RESTORATION, THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT IS. WE ALREADY HAVE MOST OF OUR TEAM IN PLACE, LIKE I SAID WE HAVE AML TO DO THES A BEST TOAST& ABATEMENT. THAT IS A SOLID NUMBER. WE HAVE A ELECTRICAL READY TO GO. WE HAVE PLUMBING READY TO GO. WE HAVE HVAC GUYS READY TO GO. WE HAVE EXTERIOR FOR TRE FORMATTING OF THE EXTERIOR. ALL OF THAT IS READY TO GO. AND WE IS HAVE A COPE SCOPE OF WORK. NOW THE CITY IS ASKING FOR THOSE PLATS. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HADN'T HAPPENED THAT IS THE ONLY MISSING FORCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING AND BEN CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE PROMINENTLY, BUT IN A REHAB LIKE THIS WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE STRUCTURAL APARTMENTS OF THIS BUILDING. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING AN ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT IS NOT REQUIRED. THERE ARE NOT DISCONTINUED OR MISSING HANDRAILS. ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL APARTMENTS OF THAT PROPERTY ARE STILL THERE. SO IT IS REALLY ALMOST SHORT OF A MECHANICALLE ALL THE STEPS ARE THERE AND IN PLACE. >> LET ME ASK YOU HAVE YOU GOT SERVICES THAT HAVE PRODUCED THE DRAFTED DOCUMENTATION FOR OUR STAFF TO REVIEW? >> NOT A THIS POINT. WE DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT. >> PLANS OF THE WHOLE CAMP JUST THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF. THAT IS HAS TO HAPPEN. >> CAN YOU GET THAT DONE. >> IN 30 DAY? >> YOU TELL ME. 30 DAY? >> I THINK 45 IS A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER ON THAT, BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THE APARTMENT ASPECTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED. >> BUT WE DO HAVE A SOMEONE WE STAFF WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT SAN ENGINEER AND ARCHITECT AND DESIGNER IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THOSE THINGS, THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN VERY EXPEDIENTLY, ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> THAT THES ME WHAT THE NEXT DD PERMITS TO DO THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO GET DONE I'M TRYING TO GIVE HIM TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION TO BE REVIEWED FOR THE STAFF WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS TO GET IT OUT THE OF CONDEMNATION, CORRECT? >> YES. >> THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS SEEING THE INTENT AND SEEING THE ACTIVITY AND IF WE KNOW IT IS ROLLING, IT IS BOARDED UP. YOU TAKE ANY KIND OF REHAB PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN BOARDED UP, IT KIND OF ENCAPSULE LATE IT AND MAKES IT, I DON'T CARE WHAT IS BEHIND THOSE BOARDS AS LONG AS IT IS NOT LEAKING OUT AND OOZING SURE THERE IS A BROKEN TOILET BEHIND THE ULWALL, THAT IS OKAY, IT IS GOING TO BE REPLACED. THAT IS WHERE THIS THING IS. HE NEEDS IT BOARDED UP. HE NEEDS THE OTHER INFORMATION GET HIS TEAM TOGETHER, THAT IS THE FIRST 30 DAYS. REPORT, THAT PUT IT IN WRITING SOMEHOW, GIVE STAFF THE INFORMATION OF WHO SON FIRST BASE IF YOU HAVE ANY AT STRICTS [01:25:04] TO ADD TO THAT AND TELL THEM OTHER OWNERS ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT, GIVE US THE ACTIVITY. >> IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YES. >> OKAY, MOTION BY MR. SCHREAD THAT THE OWNER HAVE 30 DAYS TO ASSEMBLE HIS DESIGN TEAM AND PROJECT TEAM AND HAVE THEM SIGNED UP AND IF THAT IS DONE, ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO GET THE DRAWINGS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR EVALUATION AND IF THAT IS DONE ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO GET THE PERMIT AND GET STARTED. >> AND ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO GET PERMITS FOR WHAT KIND OF PERMIT ARE WE ASKING FOR. >> INTERIOR ALTERERATION, COMMERCIAL. >> INTERIOR ALTERERATION. >> ADD FOR COMMERCIAL FACILITY. >> AND IS THAT UMBRELLA ARIES OF OTHER PERMITS. >> GV -- GC, MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL. >> I WELCOME YOUR INPUT FOR MY MOTION. >> ONLY CONCERN I HAVE, MR. SCHREAD IS ASSEMBLING A TEAM YOU'RE DIRECTING STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. WHAT TEAM -- WHAT SPECIFIC TEAM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ARE YOU -- IS THERE, IS THERE AN IDENTIFIER OF THIS TEAM. >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO TELL LAWS IS REQUIRED. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR DESIGN, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, MECHANICAL PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL AND THEN ANY ENGINEERING ASSESSMENTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED. >> AND YOU'LL HAVE TO COVER THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT PEOPLE. >> ASBESTOS IS DONE UNDER THE STAYED PURVIEW, THAT IS NOT UNDER OUR DIRECTION. >> OKAY WHAT IS UNDER YOUR DIRECTION IS ABATEMENT. >> REQUIRES THE MAKE SURE A SURVEY GOT DONE PRIOR TO ISSUING A BUILDING PERMIT AND I HAVE THAT IN HAND. >> OUR OWNER NEEDS ALL OF HIS INFORMATION, HE NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO THAT'S THE PIECE THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THE DARK ABOUT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO READ EVERY WORD OF THAT SURVEY AND THE SURVEY IS BASICALLY THE RECIPE BOOK FOR WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR MAN ON BOARD CONTINUE NEED TO TALK. >> LET ME SUMMARIZE THIS, HOPEFULLY. >> PLEASE. THE MOTION IS THAT THE OWNER IS REQUIRED TO ASSEMBLE A PROJECT TEAM, PROJECT TEAM AS DEFINED AS PROFESSIONALS REQUIREDGY THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROJECT OF THIS TYPE. AND IF THAT AND HAVE THEM SIGNED UP READY TO WORK, IF THAT IS DONE, THE SECOND 30 DAYS IS FOR THEM TO ASSEMBLE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION AND GET IT TO THE CITY STAFF FOR EVALUATION. AND IF THAT IS DONE, THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO ACQUIRE ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS FOR THE PROJECT AND GET STARTED ON THE REHABILITATION. >> ECONCUR. IF WE GET THAT DOWN. >> THE THERE A SECOND. >> A SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. BREYER, BRAAEER ROLL CALL PLEASE. [01:30:13] >> MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, GOOD LUCK. NEXT CASE, PLEASE ASK THE NEXT [B. Case for Rehabiliation, Demolition, or Civil Penalties - Case No. 21-002635: 2049 AMBLER AVE (SEARS PARK, BLOCK 36, LOT W46 OF LT 1 & 2, LESS N5 FT, TAYLOR COUNTY, TEXAS) Owner: JOEL T. LOYA] CASE ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER 21-002635. LOCATED AT 2049 AMBLER AVENUE. FOR RECORDS SEARCH SHOWS COUNTY RECORDS WITH THE WARRANTY DEAD NAMING L JOEL T. LOYA. TO BE THE OWNER. CRATE SHOWS NO ENTITY UNDER THIS NAME TAX RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY NOT APPLICABLE UTILITY RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHOW TO BE INACTIVE SINCE DECEMBER 1ST, 2016. SEARCH REVEALS JOEL T. LOYA TO BE THE OWNER. THIS IS A PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON THE STRUCTURE FOR TODAY'S HEARING. THIS IS THE FRONT NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THE REAR SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. UPON INITIAL INSPECTION THIS IS THE SUBSTANDARD CODE VIOLATIONS IDENTIFIED. INADEQUATE SANITATION, STRUCTURAL HAZARD, NUISANCE, HARZARDS ELECTRICAL WIRING AND HAZARDOUS PLUMBING AND INADEQUATE EXITS THIS NUISANCE CHAPTER -- CHAPTER 19 IDENTIFIED IN THE EXTERIOR, YOU HAVEDY LAPPATION AND SOME SEE SOME SIDING THAT IS ROTTING AND DETERIORATING INADEQUATE SANITATION NO PROPERTY MAINTAINED FACILITIES INSIDE. STRUCTURAL HAZARD, SEVERAL FLOOR JOISTS AND FLOORBOARDS ROTTED OUT. NUISANCE CHAPTER 19, AGAIN, MORE EINTERIOR DELAPPATION AND DETERIORATION. AND SOME NOR INTIERIORDY LAPPATION AND. >> TIMELINE OF EVENTS, WE DID RECEIVE PERMISSION THE OWNER FROM JUNE 2021 TO ENTER THE HOME AND HE WAS PLANNED ON RENOVATING ON JULY 12TH, THAT WAS APPROVED FOR CONDEMNATION. ON AUGUST 10TH, CODE OFFICERS MET WITH THE OWNER MR. LOYA AND HE EXPRESSED HE WANTED TO REPAIR THE HOME AND HE WAS GIVEN A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT HIS PAPERWORK ON AUGUST 30TH, WE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL SAYING -- I'M SORRY, WE GAVE THE OWNER A PHONE CALL, SAYING HE COULDN'T MEET THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THE FINAL DOCUMENTS, SO WE DID EXTEND HIM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SUBMIT THOSE DOCUMENTS ON SEPTEMBER 10TH. ON SEPTEMBER 10TH MR. LOWE YOIA CALLED TO MAKE SURE WE RECEIVED EVERYTHING AND WE GAVE HIM ANOTHER EXTENSION UNTIL SEPTEMBER 15TH TO E-MAIL THE CONTRACTOR QUOTES FOR ALL THE STRUCTURAL WORK AND ALL THE MAJOR COME COMPONENTS INCLUDING ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. ON -- PLUMBING. AND OCTOBER 14TH WE POSED A NOTICE. ON SEPTEMBER 15 TT NOTICE WAS SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. ON SEPTEMBER 17TH WE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HE WAS NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN CONTRACTOR QUOTES BY DEADLINE AND HE WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON FINDING A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND OBTAIN QUOTES BY THE OCTOBER BOARD OF BUILDING STAND APARTS MEETING. THIS PART WAS WRITTEN IN ERROR, THERE WAS NO OCTOBER 6TH 2021 BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS MEETING. IT WAS CANCELED. [01:35:02] IN THE OWNER DID COME IN AND TURN AND BUILDING PERMIT WAS PULLED. WE ALLOWED HIM THE GENERAL TIME HEED TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE. NOW MARCH 22ND, MR. LOYA CONTACTED THAT HIS EXTENSION WAS EXPIRING SOON. ON APRIL 5TH, AN EXTENSION WAS REQUESTED ON THE BUILDING PERMIT THREE DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION DATE AND STATED THAT HE WOULD CALL BEFORE AN INSPECTION WAS READY. ON AUGUST 11TH THE SATURDAY WAS CHECKED NO BUILDING INSPECTIONS HAD BEEN REQUESTED BY THE OWNER OR CONTRACTOR TO THAT DATE. AND EVEN AFTER AN EXTENSION OF THREE MONTHS WAS GRANTED BACK IN APRIL. AUGUST 19TH WE SENT HIM A NOTICE TO INFORM HIM OF THE BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS AND ENCOURAGED HIM TO COME IN AND ATTEND AND REQUEST AN EXTENSION ON HIS BEHALF. HE IS NOT PRESENT HERE TODAY. THE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMEND 8, THIS, TOO, WAS WRITTEN IN ERROR, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DID NOT HAVE AN OCTOBER BOARD OF HEARING STANDARDS AND BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, SO INSTEAD OF DEMOLITION ORDER WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THIS ORDER TO A 30/60 WHERE THE OWNER IS 30 DAYS TO OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND PROVIDE A PLAN OF ACTION INCLUDING TIME FRAME FOR REPAIR AND COST ESTIMATES. AND IF THIS IS DONE 60 DAYS TO OBTAIN ROUGH AND INSPECTIONS AND IF THIS IS DONE ALL FINAL INSPECTIONS COMPLETED BY THE DATES OF PERMITS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. JUAREZ. >> AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 21-002635. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 20-002635. AND OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION MOTION. >> COULD YOU PUT THE TIMELINE BACK UP THERE, PLEASE. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON WITH NOTHING HAPPENING FOR 14 MONTHS. >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. IF YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOS THEY DID GUT AND ATTEMPT ATTEMPTED REPAIR THE FOUNDATION AND DO OTHER WORK AS FAR AS INSPECTIONS GOES THE OWNERS THANK YOU NOT REQUEST FOR THE CITY OR BUILDING INSPECTORS TO COME OUT AND REVIEW THE PROGRESS OF THEIR WORK SO AS FAR AS THE PERMANENT SIT CONCERNED THERE HAS BEEN NO PROGRESS. >> LATTER PHOTOS WHERE YOU WERE PHOTOING A FLOORING ATTEMPT ARE THOSE 2 BY 6S? OR DO YOU KNOW THE FRAMING? >> NO, SIR, I'M NOT FAMILIAR. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT ALMOST EVEN LOOK LIKE 2 BY 4S. >> THEY'RE 2 BY 6S, I WENT THROUGH YESTERDAY. >> THEY'RE 2 BY 6S. >> THEY LOOK INADEQUATE TO ME,ETHTER SPACING AND I'M STILL SEEING WALLS DAYLIGHT IS COMING THROUGH. >> YES, SIR AND HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND ANYTHING. I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE OF THIS STRUCTURE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU'RE CHANGE IN RECOMMENDATION, BUT ANYWAY, MAKE THAT COMMENT. >> I THINK FOR PRECEDENT WE'VE NEVER OFFERED A 30/60. SO THAT IS -- I KNOW THE BOARD IS BIG ON PRECEDENCE. SO I'D LIKE TO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ITS SUE A 30-/. [01:40:02] WE GRANT THE OWNER 30 DAYS TO OBTAIN PERMITS AND A PLAN OF ACTION. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> AND IF THAT IS DONE AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS TO OBTAIN ROUGH AND INSPECTIONS AND IF THAT IS DONE FINAL INSPECTION SHALL BE COMPLETED BY THE DATE OF ALL PERMITS AND SECOND BY DR. PARIS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. >>. MOTION PASSES. >> NEXT CASE. >> NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA IS [C. Case for Rehabiliation, Demolition, or Civil Penalties - Case No. 21-004817: 4481 MAPLE ST. (A0866 SUR 67 B A L NW/4, ACRES 1.0, TAYLOR COUNTY, TEXAS) Owner: JONATHAN DEE & PENNY ^VESTRA] CASE NUMBER 21-004817. LOCATED AT 4481 MAPLE STREET. CHECKLIST SHOWS COUNTY RECORDS WITH WARRANTY NAME JONATHAN DEE AND PENNY WESTRA AS OWNERS. SECRETARY OF STATE SHOWS NO ENTITY UNDER THIS NAME. TAX RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY ARE NOT APPLICABLE. UTILITY RECORDSES OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHOW TO BE INACTIVE SINCE JUNE OF 2021. SEARCH REVEALS JONATHAN DEE AND PENNY WESTRA TO BE THE OWNERS. THIS WAS A PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON THE STRUCTURE FOR TODAY'S HEARING. THIS IS THE FRONT WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. THE REAR EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. UPON INITIAL INSPECTIONS THESE WERE THE CODE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, INADEQUATE SANITATION, NUISANCE, HAZARDOUS AND ELECTRICAL WIRING, HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, AND FACULTIY WEATHER PROTECTION. THIS IS A NUISANCE DILAPIDATION IDENTIFIED IN THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, YOU SEE AREAS WHERE IT IS ROTTING AND DETERIORATING. INADEQUATE SANITATION THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR. SEVERAL AREAS WITH THE FACILITY NOT MAINTAINED AND KITCHEN SINK, YOU CAN SEE IS NOT USEABLE. >> MORE AREAS INDICATED FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION AND LOOSE ELECTRICAL WIRING. AND THIS IS THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, AGAIN, STILL IN IN DILAPIDATED STATE AND MORE AREAS OF FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION ON THE EXTERIOR. TIME IEN OF EVENTS WE WILL FAST-FORWARD TO WHEN THIS WAS PRESENT FIRST THE BOARD BUILDING STANDARDS IN JUNE. ON JUNE 1ST, 2022, THE BOARD DECISION WAS TO ORDER A 30/60. ON JUNE 2022, BOARD DECISION LETTERS WERE SENT TO THE OWNERS. ON JULY 8TH RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM AN INDIVIDUAL AT A TITLE COMPANY STATING THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE OWNER POTENTIAL BUYER AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE TITLE COULD BE CLEARED WITH THE CONDEMNATION STATUS. EXPLAINED TO THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THE CONDEMNATION STATUS HAD NO BEARING OF THE TRANSFER OF TITLE OR PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AND WILL BE LEFT AT THEIR DISCRETION. THEY STATE THEY'D WERE GOING TO CLOSE ON JULY 15THAND THE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED ANYWAY. SO ON AUGUST 10TH. THE PHONE CALL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL FROM SAID TITLE COMPANY WAS GIFSEN TO GET A STATUS UPDATE ON PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE INDIVIDUAL STATED THEY HAD NOT CLOSED YET DUE TO AN ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT OWNER SO DUE TO THAT LACK OF PROGRESS THE NOTICE FORCEPT BOARD OF BUILDING STAND AROUNDS WAS SENT ON AUGUST 19TH, 2022 SO GIVEN THE LACK OF PROGRESS OR ANY OTHER MOVEMENT MADE IN THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AND SINCE THIS WAS PRESENTED FOR BOARD BACK IN JUNE, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO FIND THAT THE PROPERTY IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE IN THAT IT IS A HAZARDOUS TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE AND PREPARE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE UNREASONABLE. RECOMMENDS THE OWNER TO FURTHER REOWNER TO DEMOLISH OR APAPPEAL ORDER TO DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OR THE CITY MAY DEMOLISH. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. JUAREZ. AS I REMEMBER, THE OWNER JUST [01:45:17] WARRANTED MORE TIME TO GET PERSONAL ITEMS OUT OF THE SITE IS THAT CORRECT. >> YES, SIR, THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, YES. >> ANY QUESTIONS. >> HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT PROPERTY BEING SOLD. >> NO, SIR, NO UPDATES 16 AUGUS. >> MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMEND 8 BINDING THE PROPERTY AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND THAT IT IS A HAZARDOUS TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE AND REPAIR OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE UNREASONABLE. MOTION BY MR. SCHRODER IN THAT IT IS A HAZARDOUS TO PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE AND REPAIR OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD UNREASONABLE IS THERE A SECOND. >> I SECOND THE MOTION. >> SECOND BY MR. TURNER. >> MR. BEARD BEFORE WE DO THE VOTES, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OPENED UP PUBLIC HEARING. >> OH, YES. >> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21-004817 ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 21-004817. SOY NEED TORY STATE THE MOTION. >> NO. YOU HAVE IT, CORRECT. >> ROLL CALL, PLEASE. ORDER THE OWNER THAT THE OWNER IS ORDERED TO DEMOLISH OR APAPPEAL THE ORDER TO THE DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OR THE CITY MAY DEMOLISH. M. >> MOTION BY MR. SCHROEDER. >> SECOND BY MR. TURN THEY ARE THE OWNER IS ORDERED TO DEMOLISH OR APAPPEAL WITHIN 30 DAY OR THE CITY MAY DEMOLISH. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. [D. Case for Rehabiliation, Demolition, or Civil Penalties - Case No. 21-004878: 309 FANNIN ST. (OAKWOOD ADDN, BLOCK 3, LOT S48 FT LT 11 & Nil FT LT 12, TAYLOR COUNTY, TEXAS) Owner: ROBERT GARCIA PRADO] NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA CASE NUMBER 21-004878 LOCATED AT 3 VEE 9 FANNIN STREET CHECK LEST FOR THE RECORD SHOICH WARRANTY DEED NAMING ROBERT GARCIA PRADO AS THE OWNER. TAYLOR COUNTY SHOWS ROBERT GARCIA PRADO TO BE THE OWNER. SECRETARY OF STATE SHOWS NO ENTITY UNDER THIS NAME. TAX RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY ARE NOT APPLICABLE. THE UTILITY RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHOW TO BE INACTIVE SINCE OCTOBER OF 2021. SEARCH REVEALS ROBERT GASSERIA PRADO TO BE THE OWNER. THIS WAS THE PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON THE STRUCTURE FOR TODAY'S HEARING THIS IS THE FRONT WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THIS WAS A STRUCTURE FIRE THAT OCCURRED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2021. REAR EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. M UPON INSPECTION THESE WERE THE SUBSTANDARD CODE VIOLATIONS INADEQUATE SANITATION, NUISANCE, HAZARDOUS ELECTRICAL WIRING, HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, AND FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION. THIS IS A NUISANCE VIOLATION IDENTIFIED IN THE EXTERIOR. YOU CAN SEE DILAPIDATION FROM THE EXTENSIVE FIRE DAMAGE. FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION. SEVERAL AREAS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE WIDE OPEN, AGAIN, NOT IT A INDICATING GOOD WEATHER PROTECTION. INADEQUATE SANITATION, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE NO SANITATION AREAS IN THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. AND NUISANCE AS THE INTERIOR DILAPIDATION IS CUTTED AND INCOMPLETE AND HAZARDOUS WELCOME TRICKAL WIRING WHERE THERE ARE OUTLET BOXES HANGING FROM LOOSE WIRES AND HAZARDOUS PLUMBING, SO MUCH DRAINS AND PIPES THAT ARE EXPOSED. AND FAULTY WEATHER PROTECTION IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO WINDOWS NOT GIVING PROPER WEATHER [01:50:05] PROTECTION. SO TIMELINE OF EVENTS, AGAIN THIS WAS CONDEMNED IN DECEMBER OF 2021. SO I WANT TO JUMP AHEAD AS OF MARCH 2ND, 2022 IS WHEN IT WAS SOLD TO A NEW OWNER WHICH IS MR. PRADO. THAT IS WHEN HE TOOK OVER. ON MARCH 21ST, 2022 INITIAL NOTICE AND 30/60 LETTERS WERE SENT TO MR. PRADO. APRIL 2022, THE OWNER DID SUBMIT A PLAN OF ACTION WITH OLD AND NEW FLOOR PLANS. HOWEVER, THE PERMIT PROCESS WAS NEVER COMPLETED. AS OF AUGUST 11TH, WE CHECKED THE STATUS OF THE CASE AND THE PERMITS STILL HAD NOT BEEN PULLED. DUE THE FACT THAT THE TIME FRAME OF 90 DAYS WHEN PLAN OF ACTION IS GOOD. HE WAS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A NEW PLAN OF ACTION. AUGUST 19TH, NOTICES FOR THE SEPTEMBER BOARD OF BUILDING STAND AROUNDS WERE SENT TO ATTORNEY BY CERTIFIED AND REGULAR MAIL MANY PRADO LIVED COME INTO CITY HALL AFTER THE NOTICES WERE SENT AND TO INDICATE THAT HE DOES HAVE A NEW PLAN OF ACTION IN PLACE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT SO HE CAN GET STARTED ON THE PROJECT. AND I BELIEVE HE IS HERE TO CONFIRM THAT AS WELL. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE ORDER OWNER TO REPAIR, 30 DAYS TO OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND PROVIDE PLAN OF ACTION INCLUDING A TIME FRAME FOR REPAIR AND COST ESTIMATES. IF THIS IS DONE, 60 DAYS TO OBTAIN ROUGH AND INSPECTIONS. AND IF THIS IS DONE, ALL FINAL INSPECTIONS SHALL BE COMPLETED BY EXPIRATION OF ALL PERMITS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. JUAREZ. >> IT IS EVIDENT THAT WORK WAS DONE -- WAS THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE BUILDING, THE HOUSE STRUCTURE TOTALLY GUTTED, NOT BY FIRE, BUT BY WORKERS AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED HAZARDOUS ARE JUST NOT FUNCTIONING ANYMORE AS FAR AS THE WIRING BOXES, THEY'RE JUST HANGING STAY IN COULD BE REWIREED AND REHUNG, IF THEY SO CHOOSE, BUT NORMALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS WORK IN PROGRESS. SO I WAS RATHER ANYONE WISHING O SPEAK TO THIS CASE PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STAWNDERS STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORDS. >> ROBERT PRADO, 1042 BALANCINGER STREET. JUST HERE TO SEE IF I COULD -- I HAVE A PLAN MY PLAN DIDN'T GO THROUGH AS FOLLOWS THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE I HAD TO CHANGE ELECTRICIAN AND PLUMBER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME THE PROPER DETAMED INVOICES ON WHAT I NEEDED SO I GOT A NEW ELECTRICIAN AND GOT A NEW PLUMBER AND THEY GAVE ME THE RIGHT INVOICES I NEED TO TURN IN. AND SO I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR MORE TIME TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS, IF POSSIBLE AND WE GOT IT PRETTY MUCH GUTTED OUTO CLEANED OUT. NOW IT IS JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH PULLING THE PERMITS IF I GOT ALL MY DUCKS IN A ROW >> YOU'VE SEEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE BEFORE, IS THAT OKAY? >> YES, SIR. >> I WANT TO COMP POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU ON A JOB OF CLEANING THAT PLACE UP. DID A GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU. >> MY YES, SIR OF MR. PRADO. >> NO. THANK YOU, STIR SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THAT CASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 00-4878 IS THERE A MOTION. [01:55:04] >> I MOVE WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 30 DYINGS TO OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND PROVIDE PLAN OF ACTION INCLUDING A TIME TRAUMATIC. THIS IS DONE, 60 DAYS TO OBTAIN ROUGH AND PERMIT AND IF THIS IS DONE ALL SHALL BE COMPLETED BY EXPIRATION OF PERMIT. >> MOTION BY MR. TURNER. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. SCHROEDE ARE THAT THE OWNER IS ORDERED TO REPAIR AND GRANT 30 DAY TOES OBTAIN ALL PERMIT AND PROVIDE A PLAN OF ACTION INCLUDING TIME FRAME FOR REPAIR AND COST ESTIMATES AND IF THIS IS DONE, 60 DAYS TO OBTAIN ROUGH AND INSPECTIONS. AND IF THIS IS DONE ALL FOLLOWING OF COURSIONS SHALL BE COMPLETED BY EXPIRATION OF ALL PERMITS. R08 CALL, PLEASE. >> ANYWHERE THING MR. JUAREZ. >> NO, SIR, THAT'S THE END OF THE AGENDA. >> BEFORE WE ADJOURN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE MS. LEGAL TO CORRECT THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION STATEMENT. >> WELL. >> FOR FUTURE MEETING. >> YES, YES, YES. AND WE ARE ABLE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IF IT IS NOT STATED, IF IT IS STATED VERBALLY ON THE RECORD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE THAT WE WEREN'T SURE SO I WASN'T PREPARED TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER SO I ADVISED NOT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT FURTHER LEGAL RESEARCH WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT WE'RE GOING TO -- TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WHATEVER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION -- THERE IS ONLY CERTAIN REASONS YOU CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TYPICALLY WE PUT THE REASONS WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE MIGHT NEED EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ON THE AGENDA. AND SO YES, WE WILL TRY TO DO THAT. >> I GUESS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ANY MEMBER COULD ASK FOR ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IT BE GRANTED. >> TYPICALLY THEY WOULD ASK, AND THEN YOU WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER WE SHOULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION OR MAYBE EVEN MAKE A MOTION OR, BUT, JUST IF, ONE MEMBER WANTS TO ASK AND THEN YOU MAKE THE DECISION AS THE CHAIR, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AS WELL. >> OKAY. >> SO CAN I ASK IN TODAY'S EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I SAID A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF AND SAID EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS CONSIDERED AND HE ESSENTIALLY GRANTED THAT WE DO THAT, BUT THE WAY THE THIS WAS WRITTEN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO HAPPEN, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE YOU DIDN'T LIKE HOW THAT WAS WRITTEN AND YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAN THAT UP AND ADD THOSE THINGS. >> WHENEVER IT WAS PLUGGED IN, THE SECTION WASN'T -- THE GOVERNMENT CODE DOCTORRION FOR CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY ASK TYPICALLY INCLUDEDDED UNDER THAT PRF AND FOR SOME REASON IT HAD BEEN REMOVED AND I DIDN'T NOTICE IT. SO THIS IS NOT A HUGE DEAL TO CLEAN UP, BUT I WASN'T PREPARED TO TELL YOU, YES, IT IS LEGAL TO GO IN TO EXOABLGHTIVE SESSION AS BRYNN. I BELIEVE IT IS AFTER WE DID SOME CITY ATTORNEY HAS DONE SOME FURTHER LEGAL RESEARCH AND IT IS, WE CAN DO THAT BUT STATING THAT ON THE ORDER, THE SECTION OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE PURSUANT TO TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, IF IT IS STATED ON THE RECORD, THAT IS LEGAL. AND SO IN THE FUTURE WE'RE STILL GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT SECTION IS LISTED. BUT WE COULD HAVE GONE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. HOWEVER, I HAD NO RESEARCHED THAT. I WASN'T PREPARED TO TELL YOU THAT IT WAS LEGAL. AT THE MOMENT YOU WANTED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, ONCE I NOTICED THAT THAT WAS MISSING FROM THE AGENDA. >> SO THIS'ALICS PARAGRAPH IS A STATEMENT OUT OF LEGAL. >> YES, EINCLUDED IT. >> WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE SECTION NUMBER. >> I'M JUST SAYING, WE DIDN'T WANT TO REWRITE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WRITTEN AS IT IS. >> NO, WHAT WAS MISSING IS WHERE IT SAYS, COLON, IT IS NOT A PERIOD, IT IS A COLON, AND TYPICALLY WE LIST SECTION 151. 071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WAS MISSING. >> OKAY, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE 8:30 TIME. >> OKAY. IS THERE. >> THAT IS PERMANENT. >> THAT WAS FROM YOU. >> NO THAT IS A PERMANENT TIME NOW. IT SOMETHING DISCUSSED AMONG STAFF TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY [02:00:04] WITH OTHER MEETINGS AND COMMISSIONS THAT START AROUND 8:30A.M. WE WANTED TO BE ON BOARD WITH THAT AS WELL. >> OKAY. >> WE WERE THE ONLY ONE STARTING AT 8:15. SO WE WANTED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BOARDS. >> ASKED FOR CLARITY. >> THA * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.