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[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> IT IS 1:30. I'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.

BRAD, WOULD YOU, PLEASE? >> YES.

HERE LORD GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, TO DISCUSS OUR FUTURE AND OUR GROWTH.

WE ASK YOU WILL BE WITH ALL THOSE THAT WILL SPEAK TODAY AND PRESENT AND BE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TO PUSH FORWARD TO OUR COUNCIL.

WE ASK THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY COUNCIL.

WE ASK THAT YOU WILL BE WITH THE ONGOING ELECTIONS AND UPCOMING ELECTIONS HERE LOCALLY AS WELL AS FOR THE STATE AND THIS COUNTRY. GIVE US ALL WISDOM AND STRENGTH AS WE STRIVE TO DO YOUR WILL. AND TO BLESS OUR COMMUNITY.

WE PRAY. AMEN.

>> AMEN. >> THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACTS AS RECOMMENDING BOARD.

THE DECISIONS OF THIS BOARD MAY BE APPEALED THROUGH THE CITY OF THE SECRETARY. ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING.

THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK UNDER ANY ITEM UNDER KISS CUSHION. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND PURPOSE FOR APPEARING.

EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED

[MINUTES]

AT THE DISCRETION OF A CHAIR. OUR FIRST ITEM IS OUR MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE AND LOOK THEM OVER? DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE? THIS ITEM CALLS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANY COMMENT ON OUR MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING. DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> A SECOND.

[ZONING]

>> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TODAY IS ZONING CASE Z2022-24.

TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

OUT ON EAST STANFORD. >> HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CLARISSA.

I'M WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY I'M PRESENTING CASE Z2022-24, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS LETICIA LEIJA.

HER AGENT IS MATTHEW, AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

HERE WE HAVE A LOCATION MAP. AND HERE WE HAVE YOUR ZONING MAP, SHOWING IT AS AGRICULTURAL OPEN AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE WISHING TO REZONE TO. WE HAVE INCLUDED THE PERMITTED USES FOR THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE REQUEST, WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING.

WE HAVE VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO A 200-FOOT BUFFER.

WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED.

HOWEVER, THE REQUEST WAS INCONSISTENT FOR REZONING AS HEAVY COMMERCIAL, INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

IT IS SUSCEPTIBLE WITH THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES.

IT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. HOWEVER, REZONING TO A GENERAL COMMERCIAL WOULD NOT... WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ABOVE CRITERIA. THAT IS WHY THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL FOR REZONING FOR A HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND APPROVAL FOR REZONING IT TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

DISTRICT. >> HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH

THE PROPONENT? >> YES, SIRMENT.

>> OKAY. >> YES.

I WAS IN CONTACT WITH THEM. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF THINKING BEHIND THAT? THERE IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL, JUST CATTY CORNER ACROSS THE ROAD OVER THERE TO THE NORTHEAST.

YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE MAP. BUT IT IS TO THE RIGHT.

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ACROSS THE INTERSECTION. >> YES.

WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT, AS WE ALREADY HAVE ON THIS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. WE HAVE GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

IT IS LESS INTENSIVE. IT WOULD JUST BE A BETTER FLOW FOR WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO.

>> WHAT ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO? >> THEY ARE WANTING TO DO A RETAIL AND RENTAL OF LARGE VEHICLES.

OUTDOOR. >> DID THEY EXPRESS WHY THEY DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND WANTED TO

REMAIN HEAVY COMMERCIAL? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION

FOR YOU. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL? YEAH.

THAT ONE. RIGHT.

IF YOU CANLEY THAT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

LEAVE THAT UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OKAY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME AND VISIT WITH US ABOUT THIS CASE AS A PROPONENT HERE TODAY?

>> HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING? MY NAME IS MATT MUZECHENKO.

I'M REPPING THE SELLER ON THIS PROPERTY.

... REPRESENTING THE SELLER ON THIS PROPERTY.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, THE YELLOW HOUSE, THEY ARE ALREADY IN ABILENE. THEY ARE LOOKING AT BUILDING A 30,000-SQUARE-FOOT BRAND NEW FACILITY.

AND I GAVE YOU SOME PICTURES OF THE LUBBOCK FACILITY THAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE SHOWS THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE JUST SITTING OUT FRONT. THEY DO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ON. THAT WE ASK FOR HC BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD THAT WOULD REQUIRE.

I'M OKAY WITH THE GC, MAYBE A CONDITIONAL USE, LIKE ROUTE 322 HAS WITH THE SIMILAR FOLKS THAT DO THE SAME BUSINESS.

BUT WE HAVE THIS FIVE-ACRE PARCEL.

WE HAVE FIVE ACRES IN THE NEXT PARCEL.

IT IS ALL GOING TO BE THE SAME. SAME BUYER.

>> AND I'M TRYING TO RUN DOWN THROUGH THE GC AND SEE HOW THIS FITS INTO THEIR... THIS IS WHAT I SUSPECTED WAS GOING IN THERE.

SO IT FELT TO ME LIKE HC WAS A BETTER ZONING FOR THIS, BUT...

AND IT IS GOING OR THE MORE CLOSER TO I-20.

IT IS NOT REALLY GOING TO BE FURTHER BACK TOWARDS THE EAST NOR TENTH. MOST OF THE PROPERTY, THE 20 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I-20 IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

I BELIEVE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 322, 7-11 OWNS THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS GC. WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO COME IN IN THE FUTURE. THERE IS STILL 50 ACRES LEFT

NEXT TO THIS. >> SO IF IT FITS IN OKAY, YOU ARE OKAY WITH DOWN-ZONING TO GC. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>> YEAH. AS LONG AS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO NOW. THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN LI.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WHAT... THAT WAS GOING TO BE PRETTY TOUGH TO GET OUT THERE. THEY SAID HC WOULD BE SUFF SUFFICIENT, AND WE ARE FINE WITH GC.

CONDITIONAL USE AS LONG AS HE CAN STILL DO WHAT HE DOES THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MATT.

>> SURE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NO ONE,LY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTIES ON THE LOOP ARE ZONED

AS? >> THE JOHN DEERE PROPERTY AND THE CATERPILLAR, THEY ARE BOTH ZONE GC.

WITH CONDITIONAL USE. >> THIS WOULD FIT INTO THAT.

JUST FINE. LIKE THEY ARE DOING.

>> THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR. USAGE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I NOTICED UNDER THE HC, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT AND GC IS THAT THE HC HAD THE PERMITTED USE OF REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR TRUCKS AND OTHER LARGE VEHICLES, BUT GC DOES NOT. AND MATT MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE DOING REPAIR ON THIS EQUIPMENT ON SITE.

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SO HOW IS GC GOING TO FIT AND WORK FOR THIS PARTICULAR OWNER?

>> IN GC, WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD KIND OF WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE CATERPILLAR DEALERSHIP.

WHERE THEY WOULD BE SELLING AND RENTING TRUCKS AND HEAVY

EQUIPMENT. >> HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE SERVICE PART OF THAT? IF THEY ARE GOING TO REPAIR ON SITE. CAN WE STILL FIT IN A GC? WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT?

>> CAN I EXPLAIN THAT? >> WE ARE OKAY RIGHT HERE.

>> THAT IS HC. >> MM-HMM.

>> CAN I EXPLAIN THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?

>> GC THAT, GOES AWAY. >> GC...

>> HERE YOU GO. >> HERE IS YOUR ANSWER.

>> MR. CHAIR? IN THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, THE PRIMARY USE WOULD BE THE SALE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE VEHICLES. THE REPAIR WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY USE OF THE PROPERTY, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A WALMART, IT IS A GROCERY AND RETAIL STORE, AND YOU HAVE A GARDEN CENTER.

THAT IS HOW IT LOOKS. I MEAN, IF IT WAS PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT IN YOUR SCENARIO THERE,

SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU LIKE, I COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT ON WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE WAY IT IS. THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, WHICH IS THE NEXT APPLICATION ON YOUR AGENDA, THAT PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ON INTERSTATE 20 AND FRONTAGE ON EAST NORTH TENTH STREET. THE PROPERTY... THE CONCERN IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES ARE TO THE WEST WHICH WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING BEING DOWN-ZONED, THE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TENTH IS ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

YOU STARTED GETTING INTO AN AREA WHERE THE CITY IS, IS CONTEMPLATING A TIF DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, SLIGHTLY FURTHER TO THE WEST. WE ARE RECOMMENDING GENERAL COMMERCIAL THERE BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY GENERAL COMMERCIAL SOUTH AND EAST, AND IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND THAT THERE AND RECOMMEND HEAVY COMMERCIAL HERE, YOU WOULD HAVE A SPOT ZONE. SO IT MADE MORE SENSE TO US TO RECOMMEND THE ENTIRETY OF IT. AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE PREDOMINANT COMMERCIAL USE IS BETWEEN TENTH AND THE INTERSTATE THAT THE LOCATION.

SO THAT IS HOW TO GENESIS OF THE RECOMMENDATION CAME TO BE.

>> AND YOU UNDERSTAND, OUR CONCERN IS WE JUST WANT TO BE

ABLE TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. >> JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE COMING. FROM WE ARE WAY OFF BASE.

>> THAT IS HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

A MOTION? >> I THINK IF THE PROPONENT THINKS THAT THEY CAN STILL DO... THE CITY BELIEVES THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY DO, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION.

BEING DOWNGRADEDDED TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

>> OKAY. >> WE DON'T NEED THE CONDITIONAL

USE? >> I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT HOW IT DOESN'T SAY EXPLICITLY THAT WITH GC, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THE REPAIRS.

>> IT IS NOT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> IT IS A SECOND USE. SECONDARY USE.

THAT IS WHAT RANDY WAS SAYING. IT IS NOT THE PRIMARY USE.

THE PRIMARY USE, IF IT WERE TO BE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF LARGE VEHICLES, IT WO WOULD NEEO BE HC.

THE PRIMARY USE IS RETAIL SALES. >> DO WE HAVE TO PUT A CONDITION

ON THERE? >> NO, NO.

>> NO. IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT USE, IN THE FUTURE, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME IN WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AS PART OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN STIPULATE THINGS LIKE THAT.

TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO MINOR... I MEAN ACCESSORY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR. FOR RIGHT NOW, WE ARE JUST LOOKING STRICTLY AS THE ZONING. IF IT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, WE

WILL CONSIDER IT AT THAT TIME. >> THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK

AGAIN. >> YEAH.

THAT IS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. >> I DON'T REMEMBER...

I DON'T REMEMBER JOHN DEERE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR

CONDITIONAL USE. >> THEY ARE ZONED GCPP.

THEY HAVE A CUP. >> RIGHT.

>> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MATT, WILL YOU COME BACK UP? SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND RANDY TO SAY IS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK IF WE GO GC, YOU WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR CONDITIONAL USE ON THIS OTHER?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> CAN WE NOT DO IT RIGHT NOW AS A GC WITH A CONDITIONAL USE OF THE HC OR TYPE OF HC IN THAT CONDITIONAL USE?

>> NO. WE CAN'T.

BECAUSE THE ADVERTISING OF THE PROPERTY WAS FOR THE REZONING.

NOT FOR THE USE PERMIT. SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC USE WHICH

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IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR A CUP.

IT WOULD BE A BRAND NEW NOTICE. IF YOU WANTEDDED TO, YOU CAN DEFER ACTION ON THIS AND WE COULD, WE COULD... I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE NEW APPLICATION.

WE COULD RUN THEM CONCURRENTLY. APPLICATION... THIS APPLICATION RIGHT NOW CAN'T BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE A CUP INTO IT.

>> BUT THEY APPLIED FOR HC. >> YEAH.

>> RIGHT? >> YEAH.

I TOLD THEM WE INITIALLY WOULD TAKE GC WITH THE CONDITIONAL U USE, THE SAME AS JOHN DEERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USES WERE, THE CONDITIONAL USES. IT SAYS CUP.

IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHAT THEY HAVE FOR WHAT THEY CAN'T DO.

I SAID WE WERE OPEN TO THAT. THEY SAID "WELL, YOU NEED TO BE AN HC." AND I SAID THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT. AND THEY ARE LI.

THEY SAID YOU NEED TO BE HC. WE TOOK IT AS ZONING IT AS HC.

>> OKAY. THANKS, MATT.

>> SURE. >> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO I GUESS OUR QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING HC TO ALLOW THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANT

TO DO? >> WOULD WE RATHER HAVE THEM COME BACK AGAIN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE?

>> WHY DID STAFF DENY IT FOR THE HC? YOU SAID IT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE?

>> YEN WH... GENERAL COMMERCIALS ON THE CORNER.

THAT IS GOING DOWN NORTH TENTH. THE NEXT ZONING CASE IS THIS SAME ISSUE. BUT THEY HAVE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF EAST STANFORD AND NORTH TENTH ON THE NEXT ZONING CASE.

THEY HAVE ASKED FOR HC THERE, TOO.

IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR GC GOING DOWN NORTH TENTH.

>> THERE IS ALSO A LEGAL CON CONCERN.

IF YOU REZONE THE OTHER PROPERTY GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THEN THIS PROPERTY REZONING HC COULD BE CONSIDERED A SPOT ZONE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT LEGALLY, YOU DON'T LIKE TO...

>> THEY ASKED FOR HC ON THE SECOND PROPERTY, DIDN'T THEY?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> YOU COULD APPROVE THEM ALL HC.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, THE MORE FIRM ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY THAN A GC. MORE THAN THIS ONE.

TO AVOID THE LEGAL ISSUE, I MEAN, TO AVOID THE LEGAL ISSUE OF SOMEBODY CON TENNING THIS IS A SPOT-ZONING AND ILLEGAL ACTION BY THE CITY TO REZONE IT, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OURSELVES, THAT IS WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL CONCERN. >> DO YOU HAVE... JIM, DID YOU

WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> PROBABLY TO BETTER EXPLAIN THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FOR THE HC TO GC IS, AS RANDY KIND OF MENTIONED BEFORE TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS GOING TO BE A CREATION NUMBER THREE. DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH.

ACROSS EAST NORTH TENTH. WHICH THIS PROPERTY IN THE NEXT CASE, YOU ARE GOING TO CONS CONSIDER... THAT IS GOING TO ABUT EAST NORTH TENTH. DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS QUITE A LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TAKING PLACE. THE REASON FOR THE HC, THE GC RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE COULD DO THE CUP AND KIND OF REGULATE THE TRAFFIC TO EAST NORTH TENTH AND THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE PROTECTING OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET. FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES MORE SENSE IF WE CAN BUFFER THAT FROM A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF EAST NORTH TENTH.

>> DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD, THE PROPONENT SHOULD TABLE THEIR TWO CASES, REAPPLY, SO THEY ONLY HAVE TO COME ONCE? SO WE ARE ONLY CHANGING ONCE? RATHER THAN MAKING THEM COME TWICE AND DO A GC WITH A CONDITIONAL USE?

>> AS RANDY STATED, THAT IS AN OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION.

IF THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE. TO DELAY IT.

>> DID... I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T REMEMBER JOHN DEERE AND

CAT COMING TWICE. >> ME EITHER.

>> DID THEY HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE G-C REQUEST? OR WAS THAT PROPERTY ALREADY ZONED GC?

>> IT WAS GC BEFORE WITH THE CUP.

THAT WAS BEFORE MY KNOWLEDGE OF BEING THIS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS. I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH A LITTLE BIT. SPECIFICALLY, IT SAYS GENERAL

COMMERCIAL WITH THE CUP. >> THEY PROBABLY DID THEM

CONCURRENTLY. >> YES.

>> WELL, THEY PROBABLY TOOK TWO MOTIONS.

ONE ON THE ZONING AND ONE ON THE CUP.

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>> THERE COULD HAVE BEEN TWO... THE REASON I DON'T REMEMBER, IS BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE SAME MEETING.

>> THEY WERE ADVISED TO DO THAT HERE.

>> USUALLY, YOU GET THE ZONING FIRST.

YOU GET THAT APPROVED. AND THEN THE CUP HAPPENS AS A SECOND ACTION. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T APPROVE A CUP

UNTIL THE ZONING IS IN PLACE. >> IF IT IS NOT ZONING...

GENERAL COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING IT AS AN AO.

THAT IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE AO DISTRICT.

IT IS THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG. THE ZONING HAS TO COME FIRST.

THEN THE CUP. >> BUT YEAH.

THE HISTORY, HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH HC? DID WE ASK THEM... DID WE PUT THAT IN TO THEM?

DID WE TRY TO GO GC WITH CUP? >> IT IS PROBABLY A GENERIC ANSWER BECAUSE OF THE USE. UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA, AND THEN THE CREATION OF THE NUMBER THREE THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON NOW, STAFF FELT IT WAS A BETTER RECOMMENDATION FOR A GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

JUST SO WE COULD HAVE THE CUP FOR THE PROTECTION OF OF THE LARGE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET.

OF EAST NORTH TENTH. >> SO WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. WE ASK MATT TO COME BACK UP HERE. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION.

JUST A SECOND, MATT. SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT...

HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO REAPPLY AGAIN.

AND PAY ANOTHER FEE AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

YOU KNOW, TO ME, WE ARE CAUGHT HERE IN AN AWKWARD POSITION.

SO IF WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE GC, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK FOR CONDITIONAL USE.

>> IEST YES, SIR. >> IF WE APPROVE IT HC, IT MAY GET DENIED SOMEWHERE ELSE DOWN THE ROAD.

>> IF WE TABLE IT, HE WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO ADD ON A CUP.

>> YES. >> WELL, WE COULD APPROVE IT NOW, GO TO COUNCIL WITH GC. HE WOULD COME BACK NEXT MONTH

AND ASK FOR A CUP. >> THE TIME FRAME IS THE SAME

FOR HIM IF. >> YEAH.

>> HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.

ONE WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY. ANOTHER FEE.

>> YEAH. >> MAYBE TO HAVE THE TIME PERIOD THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE SAME. THE AGENDA WOULD HAVE MORE

AGENDA ITEMS. >> RIGHT.

>> IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TODAY, THEN THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE JUST THE TWO CUPS.

>> OKAY. >> IF THEY CAME BACK, IF THIS GOT APPROVED GC AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A CUP, THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD WAS THE HEAVY TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF EAST NORTH

TENTH ON TO THE PROPERTY. >> WE GIVE THEM A CUP, TO DO THE REPAIR, ARE WE GOING TO LIMIT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT ACCESS FROM

THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? >> IT IS A POSSIBILITY.

THE CUP WOULD REQUIRE A CONCEPT PLAN.

SO WE COULD SEE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO LAY THE PROPERTY OUT.

THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO LIST CONDITIONS OF BUFFERING, EGRESS, INGRESS TO THE PROPERTIES.

SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE CONTROL TO. BETTER PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL

DEVELOPMENT. >> RIGHT.

>> THERE IS A SECOND OPTION. IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST OBVIOUS.

YOU... IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF THE WORLD.

IF THIS ONE PARTICULAR LOT IS ZONED HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

WE ARE MOST INTERESTED ON THE LOT TO THE WEST THAT GOES DOWN TENTH STREET. YOU COULD MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN GO WITH THE GC ON THE OTHER PROPERTY. THERE HAS BEEN NO USE.

NO SPECIFIC USE HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED ON THAT PROPERTY.

YOU COULD... I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T MEAN... I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO THINK FOR YOURSELF AS A COMMISSION. AND VOTE ONE WAY.

ON THIS REQUEST AND THEN ANOTHER WAY ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

SOUTHWEST. >> I MEAN, THE REASONS WHY... IT IS ON AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY FRINGE ROAD.

S IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE OTHER ONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD BASICALLY ISOLATE THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF IT TO JUST THAT PROPERTY. IT WOULDN'T HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH ALONG TENTH STREET. THAT IS ANOTHER... I MEAN, THAT

IS THE MOST OBVIOUS OPTION. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, ACROSS THE STREET, YOU SEE THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED LI.

THEN GR. SO THE PRECEDENCE FOR DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS ON I-20. THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO GO. IF THAT IS HOW YOU ARE SO

INCLINED. >> SO HOW CAN... IF... WE ARE

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BLENNING THIS CASE AND THE NEXT CASE TOGETHER.

THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY TOGETHER. IF WE APPROVE HC ON BOTH OF T THEM, WHAT DOES THAT CAUSE? I MEAN, I DON'T... I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND US QUESTIONING IN A LEGAL ISSUE WITH APPROVING BOTH

OF THEM AS HC. >> IT JUST MAKES IT WHERE THEY CAN'T REGULATE THE CONDITION... THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SECTION. IT DOESN'T LET THEM PUT CONDITIONS ON WHERE THE ROAD COMES OUT OR...

>> AND WERE AN ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN, IS THAT WHAT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT LEGALLY HERE? >> NO.

>> THERE IS NO LEGAL ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THE LEGAL ISSUE IS THE CONSIDERATION OF A SPOT ZONE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST IS A LAND USE REQUEST QUESTION.

WE DON'T WANT TO OVERINTENSIFY THE INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE LAND USES THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH.

BEING GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND WITH THE DISTRICT RIGHT NEXT TO. THAT IT IS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL. IT IS A LAND USE ISSUE ON THE SECOND ONE. WE HAVE DON'T WANT TO OVERINTENSIFY THE USES AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE OTHER ZONING. THAT IS ALONG TENTH STREET.

LEGAL ISSUES HAD NOTHING TO DOLO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

STRICTLY LAND USE. A LAND USE CALL.

>> OKAY. THANKS.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MATT, YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP A MINUTE?

>> I THINK I CAN CLARIFY A WHOLE LOT.

>> GOOD. THANKS.

>> SO THAT FRONT FIVE ACRES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, HC WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF 80% OR 90% OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SITTING.

THE NEXT LOT, THEY HAVE A SMALL SLIM 30-FOOT-WIDE THAT COMES JUST BELOW THAT FIVE ACRES. TO EAST NORTH TENTH.

THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANY BUILDING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT. IT IS JUST FOR A ROAD SO HE CAN HAVE ACCESS FROM I-20 AS WELL AS TO THE EAST NORTH TENTH.

>> OKAY. >> THAT NEXT LOT IS GOING TO BE FIVE ACRES, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE KIND OF PARALLEL TO OR ADJACENT TO THIS FIVE ACRES. THEN ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH TBOAZ TOWARDS THE EAST NORTH TENTH, IT IS GOING TO BE 30 FOOT WIDE.

THERE IS 4.8 ACRES BELOW THIS FIVE ACRES.

THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AO. PROBABLY GO GC OR DEPENDING ON WHO COMES IN. THE SELLERS... THE SELLER IS RETAINING THAT PART. HC IS NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO EAST NORTH TENTH. IT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT UP FR FRONT, ALONG THE FIVE-ACRE TRACK.

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH OUT OF THE FLOOD AREA.

THAT WHOLE FIVE ACRES. >> OKAY.

WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THIS FIVE ACRES BEING HC AND THE NET

FIVE ACRES BEING GC? >> I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD MIND BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE THE OUTDOOR STUFF.

WHICH IS ONLY GOING TO BE... THERE IS GOING TO BE A PORTION OF THIS BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THAT GC PART.

TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT COULD BE PART OF THE OFFICE OF THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW THEIR LAYOUT JUST YET. WE JUST GOT THE SURVEY BACK.

>> YOU WILL PLAT THE PROPERTY AS ONE PROPERTY.

CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> WE HAVE SPLIT-ZONING ON A SINGLE PLATTED PROPERTY.

>> THERE WE GO. >> I MEAN, WHEN YOU WANT TO CATCH THE ZONING CHANGE OR YOU WANT TO DEMARCATE THE ZONING, IT WOULD GO BACK TO THIS PICTURE. THIS FRONT FIVE ACRES WOULD BE A PART THAT IS ZONED HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

ANY OTHER PART WOULD BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

>> WHAT IF HE IS NOT ABLE TO PLAT IT THE WAY HE WANTS?

>> YES. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS IF WE DO HC HERE AND GC ON THE NEXT ONE, AND YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE ON THE GC PART, YOU WILL HAVE TO LAY IT OUT. YOU WILL HAVE TO BRING A PLAN TO

US OF HOW YOU WANT THAT. >> WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE PLANS WITHIN THE NEXT ZONING MEETING.

>> OKAY. >> SO I'M HOPING THAT JUST GETTING THE SURVEY WAS KIND OF TOUGH.

EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF BACKED UP. THAT IS A GOOD THING.

OTHER THAN THAT, HE TOLD ME T THAT... I MEAN, THE FIVE ACRES, EVERYTHING BUT THE VERY END OF IT IS OUT OF THE FLOOD 100%.

AND THEN THE WEST FIVE ACRES PLUS FIVE ACRES IS... MOST OF THAT IS IN THE 100-YEAR FLOOD. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GOING TO

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BE OUTDOOR... SO WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THAT WORK. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO ANY HEAVY ZONING ALL THE WAY DOWN OR BUILD ANYTHING CLOSE TO EAST NORTH TENTH. THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE PROBABLY AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN PROBABLY GET IT FROM THE... SO THE AC ACCESS, THEY JUST HAD TO HAVE ACCESS.

WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NOW WITH ALL OF THAT DISCUSSION, DOES SOMEBODY HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? AND WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CASE RIGHT NOW.

THIS ONE. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SLENDER

OTHER LOT HERE IN A MOMENT. >> I'M MORE INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS AS HC, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS HC.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE GC IS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT. THE HC WILL ALLOW THEM... DO

WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. >> YEAH.

THE SERVICE AND REPAIR. NO OTHER CUP REQUIRED.

THEY CAN JUST DO IT. >> IS THAT A MOTION?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THAT WE APPROVE HC.

>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND TO.

APPROVE THE JOHANNES SONGDAHL AS REQUESTED.

>> HC. >> MR. BARNETT.

>> YES. >> MR. BENHAM.

>> YES. >> MS. RUSSELL?

>> YES. >> MS. FLEMING?

>> YES. MR. ROSENBAUM?

>> YES. >> THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION.

APPRECIATE. THAT I DID HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GOT STARTED HERE. CASE CUP2022-08 WHICH IS FOR A TATTOO PARLOR DOWN AT NORTH SECOND AND PINE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT CASE, THAT CASE... WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THAT CASE TODAY.

NEXT ZONING CASE. Z2022-25 TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM... APPROXIMATELY 5.72 ACHERS FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL. BEING WHAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN

DISCUSSING. >> YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. MY NAME IS CLARISSA.

I'M WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

KZ2022-25. OWNER FOR THIS PROPERTY IS MIKE AND BUFFI AWTRY. THE AGENT IS MR. MATTHEW.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL. THE LOCATION IS AT 2401 EAST STANFORD. HERE WE HAVE THE LOCATION MAP AS YOU CAN SEE. IT IS JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. YOU CAN SEE A BETTER VIEW OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAD BEEN IN DISCUSSION PRESIDENT ARE PREVIOUS CASE. ALSO, WE HAD THE PERMITTED USES.

WE HAVE THE PERMITTED USES IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

ALONG WITH THE USES IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING.

HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT.

WE SENT NOTIFICATION TO 200 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED.

SAME AS THE PREVIOUS... IT WAS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH PLANNING PRINCIPLES. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL WAS AN HC AND APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING.

TO GC DISTRICT INSTEAD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANKS, CLARISSA. I'M GOING THE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ONE MORE TIME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GO WITH GC ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A CUP ON JUST THAT

PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> I MEAN, FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME, I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH HC ON EVERYTHING.

IF IT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO IT AGAIN ANYWAY. I WANT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

I CAN TALK TO HIM. ISM KNOW WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK, I BELIEVE, TO ANOTHER MEETING.

SO I BELIEVE WE CAN WORK ON THIS.

GC. I CAN MAKE SURE IT IS GOING TO WORK WITH HIM. IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, WE CAN COME BACK AND DECIDE ON THIS PIECE, I GUESS, SEPARATELY.

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>> OKAY. >> MATT, DID YOU SAY FROM THE SURVEY, THAT THAT SLIVER THAT COMES DOWN TO'S NORTH TENTH IS

ABOUT 30 FEET WIDE? >> RIGHT THERE.

IT IS 30 FEET. IT IS GOING TO GO UP.

DOWN BELOW THIS, RIGHT BELOW THAT BOTTOM CORNER, THAT FIVE ACRES... HE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF EVEN UP THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO END UP BUILDING HIS BUILDING ON PART OF THAT, AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO GET AROUND.

IF THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A R ROAD.

>> HOW FAR BACK? IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MAYBE ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET. THAT 0-FOOT SECTION GOES UP NORTH AND THEN STARTS TO ANGLE. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. THE SELLER ORIGINALLY WANTED TO RETAIN FIVE ACRES IN BETWEEN COMING BACK TO EAST NORTH TENTH.

THE SURVEY CAME OUT TO 4.88. >> OKAY.

>> IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS FOR BIG TRUCKS TO BE PULLING... I MEAN, I TRAVEL THAT A LOT. ALREADY, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN FROM 75 MILES AN HOUR TO TURN ON TO EAST TENTH RIGHT THERE.

TO CAUSE A BACKUP EVEN MORE, I JUST THINK... THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS GOIG TO BE ON I-20. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK WITH ONE ENTRANCE. I MEAN WITH TX-DOT, WE ARE LIMITED ALREADY BECAUSE THEY ARE WIDENING THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE A SECONDARY ENTRANCE-EXIT.

PROBABLY MAINLY FOR EMPLOYEES THAT DRIVE NORMAL VEHICLES.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN ADVISED.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MATT? >> THANKS, MATT.

ANYBODY ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HONESTLY, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T ZONE THIS HC.

HONESTLY. IT JUST... YOU KNOW, IT IS THEIR FIRST. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD LATER.

THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. I GUESS I CAN GET A SAY-SO, TOO.

THAT IS MY OPINION. I HONESTLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T ZONE THIS HC. I CAN BE PERSUADED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN OPINION.

>> I AGREE. I DON'T IMAGINE THAT ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO COME DOWN EAST NORTH TENTH TO TURN ON TO THIS PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, THE EQUIPMENT THIS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING TO BE ON A TRAILER.

IT IS NOT COMING BY ITSELF. THE ACCESS WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER OFF THE ACCESS ROAD THAN IT WOULD BE OFF OF EAST NORTH TENTH. AND THAT LITTLE SLIVER DOWN THERE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE THAT WOULD BE HEAVY COMMERCIAL USE RIGHT THERE.

I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

THAT HC ZONING, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH IT ON THIS

PIECE EITHER. >> YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS. I MEAN, ROAD WORK OR ANYTHING, THOUGH, ON THE ENTRANCE UP HERE. RIGHT?

>> THAT IS MY ISSUE. WITH THAT ONLY ENTRANCE.

IF THE INTERSTATE COMES IN... >> WELL, YEAH.

THE STATE HAS CRITERIA FOR THAT. THE STATE GOVERNS WHAT... HOW MANY ENTRANCES AND WHAT THEY CAN DO.

>> FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT ENTRANCE IS SHUT DOWN FOR ROAD WORK, IS THAT... I MEAN, IS THAT NOT A POSSIBILITY?

>> IT COULD BE. >> I JUST... YOU COME DOWN THAT HILL OFF THE LOOP, AND IT IS 75 MILES AN HOUR.

YOU DON'T SLOW DOWN UNTIL YOU HIT THAT LIGHT.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE SWERVING TO TURN.

I TRAVEL RIGHT THERE A LOT. WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS OUR BOTTOM LINE.

I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY KIND OF SITUATION. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GO BUFFALO

GAP ROAD RIGHT NOW. >> I KNOW.

>> YEAH. THIS WOULD BE A TEMPORARY DEAL.

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE IT AS HC.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS HC.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

>> MR. BARNETT? >> YES.

>> MR. BENHAM? >> YES.

PZ RUSSELL? MR. NOONAN?

>> YES. MS. PHLEGMING?

>> YES. MR. ROSENBAUM?

>> YES. THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS HC

CARRIES. >> WE ARE ALREADY ALONG HERE.

WE ARE Z202-26. CHANGE ZONING OF 187 ACRES FROM

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AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

AT WEST LAKE ROAD AND NEAS ROAD. >> I HAVE COME DOWN HERE TO PRESENT THIS. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

RANDY ANDERSON, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR OF THE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, YOU HAVE SEEN ONE TYPE OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WHERE OFF SUB DIVIELDER OR DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO HAVE A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT USES ON PRISTINE PROPERTY. WHERE THERE IS MAYBE SOME OWNERS FURTHER AWAY, BUT MOST OF THE LAND IS UNDEVELOPED.

THERE IS NOT REALLY ANY CONSTRAINTS THAT PROHIBIT HIM FROM DOING THE KIND OF PROJECT HE WAS LOOKING AT.

THIS ONE, THIS ONE TODAY IS THE SECOND TYPE OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN ABILENE VERY OFTEN.

IT IS UNIQUE IN A DIFFERENT KIND OFS A PECK.

THIS ONE, YOU HAVE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE ALL OVER THE... THIS PROPERTY AND ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

NAMELY, I'LL START WITH THE STREETS.

JOLLY RODGERS IS A COLLECTOR STREET.

CALDWELL ROAD IS A COLLECTOR STREET.

LAKE ROAD IS AN ARTERIAL. NEAS ROAD IS ARTERIAL ALSO.

HE IS CONSTRAINED BY THOSE EXISTING DRIVES.

ALSO YOU HAVE RUNNING EAST-WEST THROUGH THE PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT SAYS 4150, THAT ADDRESS.

THAT IS AN OVERHEAD UTILITIES... THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND DIVIDES THE PROPERTY IN HALF.

YOU HAVE A NORTH HALF, NORTH OF THAT AND A SOUTH HALF.

THAT IS ANOTHER CONSTRAINT. THE THIRD CONSTRAINT IS YOU HAVE A MAJOR FLOODWAY. FLOOD PLANE THAT CROSSES THE UPPER NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOURTHLY, YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LAND USES THAT ADJOIN THE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MANUFACTURED HOUSING, ZONING TO THE NORTH. TO THE NORTHEAST.

UP THERE ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY.

AND YOU HAVE MULTI... YOU HAVE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY OFF JOLLY RODGERS.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT... REAL HARD AT THE ZONING MAP, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A SLIVER OF RS-12.

THAT GOES AND COMES IN OFF OF WEST LAKE ROAD.

THAT GOES INTO THE PROPERTY ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET DEEP ON TO THAT PROPERTY. THIS DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO PIECE IN A PROJECT THAT IS TRYING TO WORK ITS WAY AROUND THOSE CONSTRAINTS AND STILL DO SOMETHING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND CREATE A PROJECT THAT IS LIVABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN THIS ONE DAY. HE HAD HIS HANDS FULL.

AND THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY CAME UP WITH... THE CONCEPT PLAN THEY CAME UP WITH IS A PRETTY GOOD, A PRETTY GOOD BALANCING ACT. YOU KNOW, IN OUR STAT RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU SEE US SAY IT IS A CONSISTENT GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING CON ACCEPT AND PRINCIPLE.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE TOP, YOU ARE LOOKING SIDEWAYS.

THE NORTH IS TO THE LEFT OF THE PICTURE.

SOUTH IS TO THE RIGHT. EAST IS TO THE TOP.

YOU SEE TRACK A AND TRACK B. THOSE ARE TOWNHOME ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIGHER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH.

AND TO THE EAST. SO GENERALLY, YOU DON'T PUT LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO HIGHER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE PLANNING CONCEPT THAT THEY ARE DOING THERE.

IT PROVIDES A BUFFER BETWEEN THE BULK OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THOSE USES THAT ARE AJOINED. EXCUSE ME.

ON TRACK D, THAT IS ALSO TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION.

THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT. THE REASON WHY THAT MAKES SENSE IS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK... I THINK THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, THAT BIG LONG LINEAR STRIP, THAT IS THE OVERHEAD POWER EASEMENT.

THAT CREATES A LARGE LAND USE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.

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AND EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE THERE, IS... YOU SEE THE PROPERTY IS NOT LABELED AS RS-12.

THAT IS THOSE LONG LOTS THAT GO BACK INTO THAT... FROM WEST LAKE ROAD INTO THE WEST END OF TRACK D.

THE HOUSE THERE IS... ARE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THE FRONTAGE ON WEST LAKE ROAD. THERE IS AT LEAST 700 FEET OF SPACE BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE BACK OF THOSE HOMES AND THE BEGINNING OF WHAT HE IS LABELING AS TRACK D.

SO HE HAS CROW IT AD A BUFFER. THERE IS A BUFFER THERE THAT HE HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. THE LAST THING IS... EVERYTHING YOU SEE PICTURED IN TRACK D IS IN THE FLOOD PLANE, FLOODWAY.

THERE IS NO TELLING HOW MUCH OF THAT LAND THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECLAIM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THROUGH FEMA. DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH LAND THEY CAN RECLAIM BEING AT THE INTERSECTION, OF TWO REGIONAL HIGHWAYS, IT COULD BE SUITABLE FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR FOR MULTI-FAMILY. IT WOULD BE A NICE MULTI-FAMILY.

BACKING UP INTO THE WOODS. OR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

ALL YOU CAN GET OUT OF THIS IS A HARD CORNER AT THE INTERSECTION OF THOSE STREETS. SO I THINK HE IS IN A PRETTY...

HE HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO PROVIDE THE HEAVIER INTENSITY USES ALONG THE TWO HIGHWAY FRONTAGES.

WHERE THEY INTERSECT. HE HAS PUT THE HIGHER INTENSITY USES IN APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS. HE IS ALSO DOING A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU SEE DIAGONAL LINES THAT RUN ACROSS THERE.

THAT IS GOING TO BE A BOULEVARD SECTION.

YOU HAVE TWO SECTIONS. OFF LANDSCAPE MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE SECTIONS. SO THAT WILL BE A NICE GATEWAY INTO THIS PROPERTY. SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WILL BE A NICE TEMPLATE FOR OTHER PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE THAT COME TO ABILENE. SO WE HAVE THAT.

WE ARE BUILDING IN THOSE LITTLE GREEN... THOSE ARE SOME BUFFERING AREAS PROPOSED. THE VERY BACK OF TRACK C, THERE IS GOING TO BE A LAKE. THERE IS ALREADY A LOW AREA THERE. IT WILL BE A LAKE.

LAKE/PARK, RECREATION TYPE OF THING.

STILL TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE ENGINEERING THAT HE DOES WITH THIS PROPERTY. I GUESS ALL THE OUTFLOW FROM TRACK E RUNS BASICALLY TO THAT SPOT.

THEN HE WILL TAKE IT FROM THAT. OUT TO THE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY. SO HE HAS MADE... WE THINK HE HAS MADE THE MOST OF A DIFFICULT SITUATION, AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE, TO THE CONDITION OF THE SITE PLAN. WE DID HAVE SOME OWNERS WHO CONTACTED US WHO ARE NOT POSITIONED...

WE HAVE EIGHT OWNERS WHO ARE OPPOSED AND THREE IN FAVOR.

YOU SEE THE DOTS THAT SHOW WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED AT.

YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH ALL OF. THIS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT GENERALLY FOLLOWS ACCEPTED PRINCIPLES AND CONCEPTS. AND THAT IS THE CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEREFORE, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THROUGH THE CONCEPT PLAN.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SO RANDY, WHAT IS THE WIDTH ON A TOWNHOME LOT?

THE WIDTH AND DISMEPT. >> DEPTH?

>> I HAVE MY BOOK HERE WITH ME. 40.

>> IT IS LIKE A PATIO HOME? >> WELL, IT IS A TOWNHOME.

GENERALLY, THEY ARE ATTACHED. >> THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER.

EXCEPT THEY ARE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY.

>> I THINK THREE IS THE MINIMUM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE ATTACHED.

YOU COULD HAVE MORE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE ATTACHED.

IF YOU WANT TO BREAK THEM IN THREES, YOU.

CAN OR YOU CAN BREAK THEM IN NUMBERS HIGHER THAN THREE.

>> OKAY. AND PART OF THIS IS TRACK C AND TRACK FF ARE WANTED TO GO TO 50-FOOT LOTS.

THAT IS PART OF THE WRITTEN... CORRECT? THEY WANT TO GO FROM 6,000 SQUARE FEET TO 5,100.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> STILL RS-6. WE ARE BACK INTO THIS 50-FOOT

WIDE LOT INSTEAD OF 60 FEET. >> THAT GIVES THEM AN

OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN AS

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PART OF THE PD. ALSO IN TRACK E, IT IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO WRITE IN HERE, BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY IN GC IS A CONDITIONAL USE, WE ARE WANTING TO WRITE THAT IN AS PART OF THE PD.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> WHAT ACTUALLY SHAKES OUT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DICTATED BY WHAT THE ENGINEERING COMES BACK WITH.

IF THEY ARE ABLE TO RECLAIM A LARGE PART OF THAT ACREAGE, IT MIGHT BE WELL-SUITED FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IF THEY ARE ABLE TO CARVE OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE CORNER, THAT MIGHT BE WETTER SUITED FOR... BETTER SUITED FOR SOME KIND OF LIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD OR GENERAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL.

IT WILL DEPEN ON THE ENGINEERING AND HOW MUCH EXPENSE THEY CAN, THEY CAN PUT INTO THE RECLA NATION OF PART OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES BOTH OPTIONS.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. >> I WOULD ADD IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEIR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO COME IN WITH A PRELAME THEIR PLAT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE ACREAGE.

AND YOU WOULD RELL VIEW THAT. REVIEW THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THEY WOULD COME IN AFTER THAT AND DO FINAL PLATS OF ANY ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WANT TO START OFF OF... WITH TRACK D AND TRACK C. RUNNING THROUGH THERE.

THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS. IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED.

>> PART OF THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN THERE.

PART OF THAT IS THAT COLLECTOR ROAD GOING FROM CALDWELL ROAD TO

WEST LAKE ROAD. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THE PLAN. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE GOING TO DO. THE REASON I MENTIONED, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN FAIR SHARE IMPROVEMENTS.

ON BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS. IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED FOR A COLLECTOR STANDARD ROAD, THEY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN ALSO THEY ARE PLANNING ON MAKING A TRUE T INTERSECTION AT THE CORNER OF CALDWELL ROAD AND THAT MAJOR... THAT BOULEVARD ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE.

RIGHT NOW, IT IS KIND OF A CU CURVE.

SO IT WOULD TEE IT OFF. IT WOULD BE A BETTER INTERSECTION. A SAFER SITUATION FOR THE PEOPLE

TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR RANDY?

>> IT IS 25 FEET FOR TOWNHOME. I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING SMALL.

>> 25. OKAY.

THANKS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND VISIT WITH US? YES, SIR.

COME ON. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS STEVE PRYCE. I LIVE ON CALDWELL ROAD.

YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. I HAVE PTSD.

THIS GATHERING HAS GOT ME KIND OF NERVOUS.

I'M OBJECTING TO. THIS A LOT OF THESE TRAILERS IN THIS AREA FROM PLEASANT HILLS MOBILE HOME PARK, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT OTHER DIAGRAM UP, IT SHOWS THE MOBILE HOME PARK AND CALDWELL ROAD RIGHT THERE. ALL OF THOSE TRAILERS ARE LOW-INCOME. THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILIES.

ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT IS RENTING THESE LOTS.

IF THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, THEN THESE COMPANIES, THIS BIG COMPANY IS GOING TO COME THIS HERE AND BUY THIS PROPERTY UP.

THEY HAVE NO WAY OF TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY OR MOVING THEIR HOMES. BECAUSE THEY ARE GO GOING TO BE STUCK WITHOUT. I RENT MY LOT.

I OWN MY HOUSE. I RENT MY LOT.

I GET $811 A MONTH. $9,000 A YEAR.

I TAKE CARE OF TWO SMALL CHILDREN.

I LIVE ON THAT LOT. RIGHT OFF OF 4266.

RIGHT UP THERE WHERE YOU SEE THAT LONG... RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE ON CALDWELL ROAD. JUST TWO OR THREE HOUSES BACK AT 4266 IS WHERE I LIVE. I LIVE THE BECAUSE I CAN'T LIVE IN THE CITY. BECAUSE OF FEAR.

I LIVE THERE BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO.

I RENT THAT LOT. I STRUGGLE TO PAY MY TAXES EVERY YEAR. YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO COME IN. THESE TOWNHOMES.

IT IS GOING TO RAISE OUR TAXES. THEY ARE GOING TO END UP BUYING THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THIS MOBILE HOME PARK, IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL, BECAUSE THEY GET BIG MONEY OUT OF IT, IT IS GOING TO FORCE US OUT. IT COSTS $7,000 A FLOOR TO MOVE A MOBILE HOME THESE DAYS. I HAVE TWO FLOORS.

THAT IS $14,000. PLUS ALL MY OUTBUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T HAVE THAT.

I WON'T HAVE THAT FOR TWO YEARS. IF I SAVE EVERY PENNY.

I DEPEND ON THIS FOR NOT ONLY MY SAFETY AND MY CHILDREN TO GET

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AWAY FROM PEOPLE, BUT THEN HERE IS ANOTHER THING YOU HAVE TO REALIZE. CALDWELL IS A ONE-LANE ROAD.

THE CITY DOES NOT MAINTAIN THAT EXCEPT FOR PATCHING ONLY.

AND WHAT MR. ANDERSON FORGOT TO TELL YOU IS THAT IS ALSO ZONED NO-COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. WHEN YOU START BRINGING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND CREATE MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR OUR ROAD.

BECAUSE YOU GOT WATER LINES THAT BUST DUE TO HEAVY TRUCKS THAT THE CITY CAN'T COME OUT AND PATROL.

THAT IS GOING TO GO ACROSS FROM THE WEST SIDE OF CALDWELL OVER TO THE NORTH SIDE AROUND MR. HOOD'S HOUSE.

DON HOOD. THERE IS POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE. THEY LI ON THAT EAST SIDE OF CALDWELL. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY REPAIRING THAT WATER LINE. AND THEY DON'T EVEN FIX IT.

IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS CHUNKS OF ASPHALT OUT.

THE CITY WILL NOT FIX IT. THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET.

WE HAVE ALREADY TRIED. AND THEN HERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH THIS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER CRIME RATE. BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THE CITY OF ABILENE, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT UNLESS WE HAVE A 911 CALL. WE CAN'T GET THE COUNTY SHERIFFS OUT. IT IS BORDERED ON JONES COUNTY AND TAYLOR COUNTY. THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS WHICH. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MANPOWER BY THE CITY OF ABILENE. THEN YOU HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION SITES GOING ON. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO MAINTAIN. YOU HAVE HIGHER CRIME RATE.

MORE THEFTS. MORE VANDALISM.

THEN YOU HAVE HIGHER TAXES, HIGHER RATES.

WE CAN'T EVEN BARELY AFFORD WHAT WE GOT NOW.

I THINK IT IS BAD FOR ABILENE. NOT ONLY THAT.

PEOPLE HAVE LIVESTOCK OUT THERE. HORSES, CATTLE.

YOU ARE FIXING TO TAKE AWAY THAT.

FROM THEM. THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

IF THEY WANT TO GO... IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, GO TO THE WEST. GO OUT THERE TOWARD THE CITY LIGHT PARK WHERE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS WERE.

THERE IS 100 ACRES OUT THERE UP FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.

LET THEM BUILD OUT THERE. LEAVE US WHERE WE ARE.

WE ARE COMFORTABLE. WE GOT LOW-INCOME PEOPLE HERE.

THIS IS THE ELDERLY. THIS IS THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT ABILENE. LIVING IN POVERTY.

ALL I GOT TO SAY IS, LET US LIVE.

>> THANK YOU. YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE

BEEN ABLE TO HEAR TODAY. >> LY ASK YOU TO... MELISSA HAS THE CLOCK RUNNING. THERE IS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO SPEAK. WE ARE LIMITING IT TO THREE

MINUTES BY THE CLOCK OVER HERE. >> OKAY.

SO I'M THE OWNER OF 4334 CALDWELL ROAD.

MCKELL HAWKINS. THAT IS THAT ONE LITTLE STRIP ON THAT PART OF THAT PROPERTY ABOVE WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE MAJOR ZONING WHERE THEY CUT IT IN HALF ON TOP.

WHAT MY NEIGHBOR OVER HERE SAID. EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE AFRAID OF.

I'M A DISABLED VETERAN WHO SERVED TWO AND HALF YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. AND I LIVE OFF OF MY V.A. CHECK PAYING BILL BY BILL BY BILL. PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT TAXES.

THEY LOVE THE QUIET. THEY ARE AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.

PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON... LIKE SSI PAYING ON TO THIS.

LIKE HE SAID, IF YOU DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO HERE, IT IS GOING TO CAUSE, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, TAXES.

GOING UP. NOT INCLUDING IT IS GOING TO PUSH US OUT. A LOT OF US, LIKE YOU SAID, WE ARE LOW-INCOME. WE DON'T MAKE A LOT TO SURVIVE, LIKE, IN A NICE HOUSE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT THIS, WANTED TO TAKE MY PROPERTY FROM ME FOR $7,000 BUT MAKE MORE THAN THAT OFF OF MY DIME.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO ME BECAUSE IT IS, LIKE, I'M... I CAN'T BE IN BIG POPULATED AREAS. AND HE COMES IN AND TELLS ME...

AND THIS IS WHY I SAID LOW-INCOME ARE GETTING ATTACKED BY IT. HE CAME UP TO ME ONE DAY, HE TOLD ME "WELL, DON'T YOU NEED THE MONEY ANYWAYS? " I THINK THAT IS ATTACKING US BECAUSE IT IS, LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, WE DO NEED THE MONEY. WHY ARE YOU TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR LOW-INCOME IN? AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THEIR LIVES TO BUILD THESE LANDS AND HAVE THESE HOUSES.

IT IS EXPENSIVE TO MOVE MOBILE HOMES.

AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT.

IT IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT FAIR TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW-INCOME. BECAUSE THEN WHAT IS IT GOING TO STOP THEM FROM GOING AFTER OTHER LOW-INCOME? STOP THEM FROM GOING AFTER PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT AND SAY OKAY, I WILL GET YOUR LAND. AND THEN PUT THEM OUT THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIVE. IT IS UNFAIR.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR LAND WHEN WE LIVE THERE COMFORTABLY? AND THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE... BIG

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COMPANIES MO HAVE TWO INVESTORS, TWO, COME AFTER US AND OFFER US THIS LITTLE BIT. THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF OUR PROFIT. AND DOESN'T SHARE ANY FAIRNESS TO ANYBODY IN THAT LOW-INCOME. PEOPLE JUST BARELY MOVED THERE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ABOUT IT.

PEOPLE BARELY MOVED THERE, AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL THEM, WELL, IF WE PUT THIS PROPERTY OUT HERE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE TAXES. RENT IS GOING TO GO UP ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE MOBILE HOME PARKS.

THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS HE DIDN'T LOOK AT, AND THE PEOPLE'S HONEST OPINION. I BELIEVE IT IS NOT FAIR TO US WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT. I GET THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE CITY. BUT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE OUR VOICE HEARD. BECAUSE NOT MANY VOICES ARE HEARD. HE CAME OUT HERE CRYING.

YOU COULD HEAR HIM TEAR UP BECAUSE AGAIN,ER WE ARE TRYING TO SURVIVE. AND HE IS DOING THIS TO US.

IT IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT FAIR TO US AT ALL.

NOT FAIR TO MY FAMILY. NOT FAIR TO ANYBODY.

BECAUSE THEN HE IS GOING TO SWIPE AND TAKE IT UNDER OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH HIGHER TAXES. HIGHER CRIME.

WE DON'T FEEL SAFE IN OUR AREA ANYMORE.

IF THAT BECOMES BUILT THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO WILL MOVE OUT. BECAUSE IT IS NOT SAFE.

IT IS NOT FAIR. TO HIGH IN TAXES.

TOO HIGH IN THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT.

FORCING US TO RENT... OWNERS LIKE ME.

FORCED TO RENT AFTER WE HAD FOUGHT FOR OUR LAND, TO PAY THE CITY FOR THAT LAND. AND THEN HAVE IT TAKEN AWAY FROM

US. >> NOBODY IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR

LAND FROM YOU. >> IT IS NOT HOW... IT IS HOW WE LOOK IN THE FUTURE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF HE PUTS MORE IN THERE, WHAT IS GOING TO STOP HIM FROM DOING

IT? >> WELL, IT IS YOUR LAND.

HE CAN'T TAKE IT FROM YOU. >> IT WILL FORCE HIGH TAXES.

YOU HAVE TO SEE WHERE IT LEADS IN.

MOST OF US CAN'T AFFORD HIGH TAXES.

IF YOU PUT APARTMENTS THERE, IT IS NOT FAIR TO A LOT OF US WHO ARE LOW-INCOME. IT IS NOT FAIR TO STEVE WHO IS MY NEIGHBOR. IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO. EVERYONE I TALKED TO, IT IS MORE THAN EIGHT WHO OPPOSE IT. MORE THANKING A.

MORE THAN EIGHT. I HAVE A PETITION OF A FEW PEOPLE WHO ALREADY SIGNED IT. THEY DON'T WANT THIS HAPPENING.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M GETTING AT AT THAT PART? YOU ARE ATTACKING LOW-INCOME... WE CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE.

TELL US WEE CAN GET THE FUTURE OF AMERICA GOING AND SAYING WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT. WE CAN DO THIS.

A LOT OF US DON'T GET THAT CHOICE.

WE ARE BUSY WORKING OUR LIVES AWAY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF IT.

IT MIGHT NOT SAY, OH, HE CAN'T TAKE YOUR LAND AWAY FROM YOU.

OVER TIME, AS SOON AS WE ARE UNABLE TO PAY FOR TAXES, HE CAN TAKE THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO OWE HIM TO PAY BACK OUR TAXES.

THERE IS WAYS THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE.

IF THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE THAT LAND FROM US THAT QUICK AND BUILD HOUSES, APARTMENTS, THEN WHAT IS GOING TO STOP THEM FROM MOVING ALL THE MOBILE HOMES OUT OF THERE TO PUT NEW HOUSES? I'M JUST BEING FAIR. THIS IS THE CITY OF ABILENE.

I LOVE THIS TOWN. WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT.

BECAUSE OF SOME PERSON WHO WANTS TO BUILD MORE.

THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CORY DULAN WITH AMD ENGINEERING. I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER THAT IS MAKING THIS PROPOSAL. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE RANDY'S PRESENTATION ON THIS. HE DID A GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING OUR GOALS. JUST TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT YOU, I'M SURE, ARE ALREADY AWARE OF.

ANY ZONING THAT WE DO DOES NOT AFFECT ANY TAX RATES OR ANY IMPOSED TAX ON ANY AJAY LISTENS AJAY SEN SI.

OUR PROPOSAL IS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR HOMES.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE ENTRY-LEVEL HOMES.

THIS IS THE REASON WE ARE GOING FOR THE NARROWER LOTS.

IT IS A PRODUCT THAT WE PUT THOUSANDS OF ON IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. IT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL MODEL.

IT ALLOWS FOR A 40-FOOT-WIDE HOME WHICH IS FAIRLY POPULAR AND AFFORDABLE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ULTIMATELY AFTER. PROVIDING SOME AFFORDABLE LOTS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSES IN THE CITY OF ABILENE.

WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A NEED FOR.

THAT THE SOUTH HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS STAYING.

WE HAVE IT CURRENTLY DRAWN AS 60-FOOT-WIDE LOTS.

IT FITS EVERYTHING YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING.

WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME VARIETY.

SOME VARIETY OF MARKETS FOR ABILENE.

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WE HAVE SOME TOWNHOMES. THE MINIMUM WIDTH WE HAVE CURRENTLY SHOWN FOR THE TOWNHOMES IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOUR CODE CALLS FOR. IT IS 27-FOOT WIDE FOR THE INTERIORS. AND 5 ON THE EXTERIORS.

35 ON THE EXTERIORS. THAT IS A PRODUCT WE HAVE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL WITH IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD WORK HERE AS WELL.

LIKE MENTIONED, WE TRIED TO PUT THOSE DOWNHOMES ON A BUFFER.

BACK IT UP TO OTHER USES THAT KIND OF CREATE A SEPARATION FROM OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THE FIRST PHASE TO BUILD THAT CHECK OR THE ROADWAY ALL THE WAY FROM WEST LAKE ROAD TO CALDWELL ROAD WITH THE FIRST PHASE.

AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THE TRACK WILL BE FUNNELED OFF OF WEST LAKE. OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO FUNNEL THE TRAFFIC AROUND JOLLY RODGERS OR CALDWELL OR UP FROM IF THE EAST SIDE OF THE MOBILE HOMES TO THE EAST OF US.

THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION AT ALL.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO IMPROVE CALDWELL AND JOLLY RODGERS ADJACENT TO US AS MENTIONED BY MR. ANDREWS.

WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A GOOD FIT FOR THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF STUDY ON THIS.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE OWNERS AS WAS MENTIONED.

TO KIND OF HAVE A PENINSULA STICKING IN TO PURCHASE THOSE TO CLEAN UP THE AREA, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPABLE.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT.

BUT THAT EFFORT WAS MADE. YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE LAND PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO PROPOSE TO FOLLOW THIS CASE WITH.

THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY THE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? >> HOUDEY.

MY NAME IS BRAD BARDIN. I LIVE AT JOLLY RODGERS ROAD.

I'M HERE TODAY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE WATER FLOW THAT COMES OFF OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT BOTTOM SECTION, THE 80 ACRES YOU KNOW, THAT COMES DOWN THE BOTTOM FINGER THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF WATER THAT COMES OFF OF THAT, AND THE WAY THAT THE ROAD IS DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, THERE IS CULVERTS.

THERE IS NO CURBS. THERE IS... THAT BOTTOM CORNER, IT WOULD BE THE EAST CORNER THERE...

ANY TIME IT RAINS, IT IS... I MEAN, IT COMES OVER THE ROAD THERE. THERE IS CULVERTS THAT ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST THREE, MAYBE FOUR FOOT DEEP.

TWO OF THEM BURIED ACROSS THERE. AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THEY ARE PUTTING A COLLECTOR STREET THAT IS GOING TO GO NORTH TO SOUTH DOWN TO JOLLY RODGERS. AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE FEEDER STREETS THAT CUT ACROSS TO CALDWELL.

AS WE COLLECT ALL THAT WATER, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO GET IN THERE. IT IS GOING TO COME RIGHT DOWN TO MY HOUSE. LIKE I SAY, I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2000. AND WATER IS A MAJOR ISSUE.

IT IS NOT A FLOOD ZONE. IN FACT, I'M UP HIGHER THAN A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS. AND YOU KNOW, I'M BUILDING BERMS AND TRYING TO DIRECT. THAT I REALLY DON'T SEE THIS HELPING OUT A LOT. IN FACT, I DID A HOUSE REMODEL, AND I PUT A CURB IN FRONT OF MY GARAGE SO IT WILL COME DOWN THE CALDWELL ROAD, AND IT GETS OUT OF THE CULVERT.

I MEAN, I HAVE DUG THE CULVERTS AND EVERYTHING.

THEN IT GETS OUT OF. THAT RUNS DOWN THE ROAD.

AND IT ACTUALLY JUST RUNS DOWN. IT IS QUITE A PROBLEM THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST LET THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT BE DIRECTED SO WE DON'T HAVE A FUTURE PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I WAS... I'M ONE OF THE TWO T THAT... LIKE I SAID, I HAVE 20 ACRES THERE. I HAD THREE.

THE THREE IN FAVOR IS MYSELF. I'M ALL FOR GROWTH.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT.

AND ALSO, THE ROAD WIDTH, YOU CAN'T DRIVE TWO CARS WITHOUT PULLING INTO THE... YOU KNOW. SOMETHING MAJOR NEEDS TO BE DONE. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS MUCH TRAFFIC INTO THESE ROADS. THE FEEDER, THAT WAY IS USED A WHOLE LOT. I DON'T KNOW.

GOING NORTH. IT GETS THE SAME WAY.

YOU ARE PULLING OVER SIDE TO SIDE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DRAINAGE THIS THIS AREA. WE HAVE... YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, THE GREEN AREAS. WE HAVE SOME PLACES WE ARE GOING TO BE RETAINING WATER. AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE NEED TO ARREST THAT FLOW. WE WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

ON ALL OF OUR PAVING PLANS, DRAINAGE PLANS.

WE WILL DO THAT ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT INCREASE THE OUTFALL LEAVING THE PROPERTY FROM WHAT IT IS NOW.

I THINK THAT WE WILL MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS NOW.

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I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> I LIVE IN THE 3900 BLOCK OF CALDWELL ROAD. I APPRECIATE THEM COMING IN THERE. AND TRYING TO IMPROVE IT.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

DID YOU ADDRESS TRACK F? IS THAT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION?

>> TRACK F IS RS-6 ZONING. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR 50-FOOT LOTS. 50-FOOT-WIDE LOTS.

RS-6 LOT IS 60 BY 100. THAT IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO GO TO 50-FOOT LOTS.

>> THEY ASKED FOR 50 JUST IN CASE THE MARKET...

>> YEAH. THEY ARE KIND OF PROPOSING A TRUE 60-FOOT RS-6 DEVELOPMENT AND THEN TRACK F.

>> OKAY. WELL, I THINK WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF, I HAVE JUST CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTY VALUES. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GO DOWN. THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

YOU KNOW, WE LIVE OUT THERE PARTLY IN THE COUNTRY FOR A REASON. WE LIKE THE LOW TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, CALDWELL ROAD REALLY HAS NO TRAFFIC.

AND T THAT IS ONE THING WE LOVE ABOUT LIVING OUT THERE.

I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. I LIKE TO SEE IT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW... I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS WE HAVE...

YOU KNOW AS FAR AS CONTROLLING OR WORKING WITH THEM TO HELP PRESERVE WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT LIVING OUT THERE.

THAT IS THE BIG CONCERN. ESPECIALLY... I MEAN, ARE THAT ALLOWED TO HAVE MANUFACTURED HOUSING?

>> NOT WITH RS-6. >> WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MANUFACTURED HOUSING GOING IN THERE.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

ABOUT PRESERVING OUR WAY OF LIFE.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI.

I'M NANCY LUGO. I LIVE AT 633 NEAS ROAD.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION. I HEARD Y'ALL TALK ABOUT CALDWELL ROAD, BUT THE INTERSECTION OF 600 AND NEAS IS ALREADY A LITTLE SQUIRRELLY. THE OTHER SIDE OF 3308 COMES IN AT AN ANGLE. AND IT CAN BE A FAST ROAD.

IS THERE ANY PLANS TO PUT IN OR REQUIRE A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR SOMETHING TO REGULATE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION?

WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT? >> I MEAN, I'LL ANSWER THAT, AND THE ANSWER IS NO. I'M ASSUMING THAT IT IS NO.

I DOUBT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE UP AT THAT INTERSECTION ENOUGH TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. EVEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, I

DOUBT THEY WOULD GET THERE. >> OKAY.

>> IN PLANNING AND ZONING, WE ARE JUST ABOUT THE LAND USE.

IF THE TRAFFIC FLOW STARTS DICTATING, T THAT IS A LIGHT IS APPROPRIATE THERE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OR TX-DOT WOULD THEN LOOK AT. HERE WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST

LOOKING AT THE LAND. >> OKAY.

>> THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE ARE EDITS AND CHANGES MADE IN THE FUTURE WHEN TRAFFIC CHANGES.

>> OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

I APOLOGIZE. I DO HAVE TO LEAVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS TERRY BUNKLEY.

I LIVE ON WEST LAKE ROAD HERE IN ABILENE.

I REALIZE I'M A LITTLE BIT FARTHER NORTH THAN Y'ALL BY A MILE. BUT I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE '92. I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THE INTERSECTION AT NEAS ROAD AND 600 HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. BECAUSE OFF BLIND SPOT.

YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT'S COMING AROUND THE CORNER THERE AT 80 MILES AN HOUR. AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I SEE AND HEAR THE PEOPLE COMING DOWN ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

THEY ROUND THE CORNER THERE ABOUT 80 MILES AN HOUR.

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BY THE TIME THEY CLEAR MY HOUSE, THEY ARE DOING ABOUT 140.

IT IS A STRAIGHT-AWAY. FOR ABOUT A MILE.

BUT BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I HAVE DONE JUST A LITTLE BUILDING HERE IN ABILENE MYSELF.

I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY BUILD ANYTHING ON A LOT THAT IS JUST 40 FEET WIDE. THAT IS TOO NARROW FOR ANYTHING.

50 FOOT IS REALLY TOO CLOSE. THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE ABOUT 80 FOOT. THE REASON PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IT ON A 40-FOOT LOT BECAUSE THEY CAN PUT AS MANY HOUSES AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. ON THAT PROPERTY.

THOSE STREETS THAT THEY ARE SHOWING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE YELLOW PICTURES, THERE ARE TOO MANY HOUSES ON THOSE STREETS FOR THE SIZE. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE HEADACHES IN THE FUTURE. FROM THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

ESPECIALLY ON THAT TRACK F. LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE 20 LOTS.

ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. THAT IS GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEAD END INTO AN EMPTY ROAD.

ON THE BACK SIDE... I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THAT STREET.

ANYWAY, IT SEEMS TO ME IT IS WAY TOO CROWDED.

AND THEY SAY THIS IS LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

YOU PUT THEM THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, LOW-INCOME HOUSING, IN 20 YEARS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SLUMS. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE HOUSE. IF IT IS TOO CLOSE TO THESE OTHER HOUSES NEXT-DOOR. WHAT IS THE USE OF PUTTING MONEY INTO YOUR HOUSE WHEN THE GUY NEXT-DOOR HAS EVERYTHING AND HIS CAR PARKED UP IN THE FRONT YARD. YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN PUT WIDER LOTS IN THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> I'M PATRICIA SMITH. I LIVE AT 465 JOLLY RODGERS ROAD. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?

. >> YES.

>> I HAVE A VERY VOCAL VOICE. I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY IN DECEMBER OF '92. AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE F. SOME IS GOOD.

SOME IS BAD. I DON'T MIND CHANGE.

AS LONG AS IT IS POSITIVE GOOD CHANGE.

BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT... THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAS ALL THE MOBILE HOMES ON JOLLY RODGERS AND 600, MAYBE HE LIVES IN CALIFORNIA, BUT SOME OF THOSE... I DON'T CARE HOW POOR YOU ARE, YOU CAN AT LEAST CLEAN UP YOUR PROPERTY.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THOSE PEOPLE PARK OUT IN THE ROAD.

LIKE THE GUY SAID, YOU CAN ONLY GET ONE CAR DOWN THROUGH THERE.

THAT IS ON JOLLY RODGERS ROAD. AS YOU ARE GOING AROUND CALDWELL ROAD, TATS END OF THE ROAD, BEFORE YOU GET TO NEAS ROAD, SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ARE MOBILE HOMES.

THEY ARE FALLING DOWN. THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO PICK UP THEIR PROPERTY. AND I'M AFRAID THAT SOME OF IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE LOW-INCOME, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T CLEAN UP YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS COTY CLEVERREN JER.

I'M A RESIDENT OF 4, 00 # CALDWELL ROAD.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROPOSED REZONING OF THIS ACREAGE. THE MAP PROVIDED OF THE FUTURE WATER CREST RANCH SHOWS THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS WILL BE INSTALLED IN VERY SMALL LOTS. SUCH A HIGH DENSITY OF HOMES IN THE AREA COULD HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE WHO CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE PERIMETER OF SUCH A DEVELOPMENT.

THE AREAS WHICH BORDER THE ACREAGE THAT ARE ALREADY USED FOR SMALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE FREQUENTLY FEATURED IN APD'S CRIME AND ARREST REPORTS. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THESE INCIDENTS HAVE INCLUDED ARSON, MURDER, DRUG MANUFACTURING, AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

BEYOND THESE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE THE INCREASE IN MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. ACCOMPANYING NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION. AND IMPACT ON STORMWATER DRAINAGE AND POSSIBLY LOWERED PROPERTY VALUES OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. IN SHORT, I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE CITY KEEP THIS PROPERTY ZONED AS AG-OPEN SPACE. DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING TAX-PAYING RESIDENTS.

I ALSO HAVE A WORD HERE FROM ANOTHER RESIDENT.

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NEAR NUGENT ROAD. MISS KATIE PRESSWOOD.

A LOT OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERSES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR UP TO FIVE GENERATIONS. I KNOW I'M THIRD GENERATION ON CALDWELL ROAD. MISS PRESSWOOD HAS THE FIFTH GENERATION FAMILY BEING RAISED OUT THERE.

HER CONCERNS ARE MUCH THE SAME AS MINE.

REGARDING FIRES, WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF FIRES.

WHERE THE FLOODWATERS WILL END UP.

IT LOOKS LIKE SHE IS IN THE FLOOD PLANE OUT THERE.

AND THAT IS ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE THESE RESIDENTS OUT HERE THAT, LIKE I SAID, HAVE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS.

THEY LIKE THE PEACE OF THE SEMI-RURAL LIVING SITUATION.

AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN CALDWELL ROAD RECENTLY. IT IS PRETTY... IT IS IN ROUGH SHAPE. THESE CHANGES DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY WILL BE ANY GOOD FOR THE SAFETY OF THE ROAD SITUATION OUT THERE OR THE LIFESTYLE OF THE RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING.

I'M DARREN WILSON. I OWN PROPERTY AT 3949 AND 3981 CALDWELL. BEEN THERE A LITTLE OVER 40 YEARS. FATHER-IN-LAW BOUGHT THE PLACE 52 OR SO YEARS AGO. BEEN MAINTAINING IT, KEEP IT UP GOOD. CLEAN THE DITCHES, MOW THE DITCHES. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN ANYTHING. ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CURB, THE CALDWELL TO JOLLY RODGERS OR ANYTHING.

SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO BRING IN LOW HOUSING BECAUSE WE MOVED OUT THERE FOR THE REASON TO BE IN THE COUNTRY.

WE WENT THROUGH TRAILER PARK TRYING TO BE... MORE TRAILER PARKS IN THERE. WE FOUGHT IT.

THEY DENIED IT. THEN THEY HAVE DONE... ANNEXED US IN. NOW WE ARE ANNEXED.

WE HAVE THE SAME ROAD. WWE HAVE A TRASH CAN IF WE WANTD TO PAY FOR IT. THAT IS IT.

WE DISLIKE THE COUNTRIENS WE JUST LIKE THE COUNTRY LIVING, QUIET, SLOW PACE. I'M NOT AGAINST CHANGE, DEVELOPMENTS. BUT OUT THERE, THAT IS THE REASON WE MOVED OUT THERE. AND THAT IS THE REASON I SPEND ALL MY TIME TRYING TO KEEP IT NICE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

I WISH YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN, MY NAME IS STEVE PRICE.

4266 CALDWEL. HE SAYS THAT THEY ARE NOT... THE INTENTIONS OF INCREASING THE TAXES.

WE KNOW IT AIN'T UP TO THE BUILDER TO INCREASE THE TAXES.

THE TAYLOR COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR. YOU START PUTTING IN HOMES OUT THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO COME IN AND SAY THE PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING UP.

THIS IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. MOST OF THE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO COME IN OFF OF 600. TRUCK DRIVERS ARE NOT THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. I USED TO BE A TRUCK DRIVER.

I'M NOT THAT SMART. SO THEY ARE GOING TO GO ANY WAY THEY WANT TO GO. PERIOD.

THERE IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT SAID THE WATER, WHEN IT RAINS, MY WHOLE YARD IS FLOODED WITH WATER.

I CAN'T GET THE CITY TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I HAVE ASKED THEM. THEY SAID IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY. I GOT... I DON'T HAVE A BOBCAT TO BUILD UP A BERM. BECAUSE OF MY INCOME.

SO AGAIN, WHAT THE BUILDER IS SAYING IS NOT ACTUALLY TRUE.

HE IS TRYING TO GET Y'ALL TO APPROVE THIS.

SO THEY CAN POCKET THEIR POCKETBOOKS.

THE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL. WHEN YOU... AND MR. ROSENBAUM, YOU SAID A WHILE AGO, IF THIS IS CHANGED, YOU WILL NOT ALLOW A MANUFACTURED HOME IN. RIGHT?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT. >> WELL, THAT THEY WON'T BE MANUFACTURED. IT WOULD BE A MODULAR HOME IF IT GOES IN. IS THAT WHAT THE ZONING WILL BE?

>> THERE IS NOT ANY MODULAR HOME ZONING IN THIS PD.

>> OKAY. IF IT IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE CITY WILL ZONE IT THAT ANY HOME, MANUFACTURED HOME WILL HAVE TO BE A MODULAR GOING IN. THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

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TO ALL OF US MANUFACTURED HOUSINGS.

LIKE THE LADY SAID. I CLEAN UP MY LOT.

I UNDERSTAND, DEALING WITH WHAT YOU.

CAN I'M TRYING TO GET MY LOT CLEANED UP.

WHEN YOU REZONE IT, YOU ARE GOING TO MANUFACTURED HOMES.

THAT IS $100,000, $200,000 HOMES GOING IN.

THEY HAVE TO GO ON A FOUNDATION. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO US? A TRAILER. A MANUFACTURED HOME.

THEY ARE FIXING TO FORCE US OUT. NOBODY IS SEEING THE BIG PICTURE HERE. IT IS INCH BY INCH.

JUST LIKE THE WORM DID. INCH BY INCH.

AND THEY ARE FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOME.

WITH THAT, I JUST SAY TRUCK DRIVERS ARE NOT THE SMARTEST.

THEY ARE GOING TO TEAR UP OUR ROADS.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO... AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE FLOODING. AND THE TAXES.

BECAUSE TAYLOR COUNTY DON'T CARE WHAT THE CITY OF ABILENE SAYS.

THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY DO TO RAISE THE TAX VALUE.

THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> ALSO AGAIN, MY NAME IS MCKELL.

ALSO THE CONCERN IS FIRE, AMBULATORY AND POLICE.

WE DON'T GET A LOT OUT THERE. IT TAKES THEM 15-20 MINUTES.

THAT IS BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS. THINK ABOUT IF YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF HOUSES, MORE CRIME. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH MORE CRIME HERE IN ABILENE.

WE WANT TO BE CRIME-FREE. YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO LEAD TO ACCIDENTS. WHAT'S GOING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING ACCIDENTS? IT TAKES THEM FOR A FIRE, WHEN I CALLED UP FOR MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO IS HOUSE BURNED DOWN, IT TOOK THEM ALMOST AN HOUR TO GET TO THAT FIRE TO PUT IT OUT. A GENTLEMAN NAMED MIKE STOLE FROM MY HOUSE. BROKE INTO MY HOME.

THE POLICE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.

YOU PUT MORE LOW-INCOME IN THERE.

FIRES... YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIRE.

THE CRIME AND POSSIBLE HOSPITAL VISITS.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR EVEN A FIRE DEPARTMENT TO COME IN HERE TO TAKE OUT A FIRE. WHEN I LOST THE NEIGHBOR NEXT-DOOR TO ME TO A FIRE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSE ON THAT TIME. THERE IS NO RESPONSE TIME.

YOU PUT A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME THEN? HOW IS IT GOING TO AFFECT US MORE? AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE.

IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES. WHAT IF I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK? I DON'T GOT A LOT OF TIME LEFT.

I DIE RIGHT THERE. THEN IT IS ALREADY TOO LATE FOR THE AMBULANCE TO BE THERE. AND THEN THE LOW-INCOME, LIKE WE SAID, WE TRY TO SURVIVE. BUT OUR RESPONSE TIME FOR OUR...

EVEN OUR 911, IF WE CALLED 911, IT TAKES THEM LONGER.

THERE IS A LOT THAT THIS CITY NEEDS TO DO WITH THIS ROAD.

THIS ROAD IS... HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.

ALL THEY DO IS PATCH IT UP. WE HAVE REQUESTED OVER THE CITY PLENTY OF TIMES. THEY WOULD TELL US, LIKE, MY NEIGHBOR SAID, OH, IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET.

IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN RESIDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW, THEN IF YOU DO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DON'T REJECT TO CHANGE, BUT IF YOU DO THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HELP MAINTAIN IF YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN YOUR OWN RESIDENCE RIGHT NOW AT THESE ADDRESSES? YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING TO HELP WITH THE ROADS.

IF YOU PUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT... YEAH, YOU HAVE NEW ROADS THERE.

WHAT ABOUT THE OLD ROAD? YOU WILL HAVE TO TEAR THAT WHOLE THING OUT. IT IS GOING TO BE THERE.

IT IS A HAZARD. SAME WITH THE ONE ON NEAS TO WEST LAKE. YEAH.

YOU PUT A STOP SIGN THERE. BUT IT IS DANGEROUS.

THERE IS A BLIND SPOT. YOU CAN'T SEE IN THAT DIRECTION.

IT'S HARD. BECAUSE WHEN I DRIVE THERE EVERY DAY, AROUND THAT CORNER, I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ON WEST LAKE SOMETIMES. BUT IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT...

YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN US, THEN WHAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU MAINTAIN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT? WHEN WE HAVE BEEN PLEADING AND ASKING. IT DOESN'T GET ANSWERED.

THAT IS ONE QUESTION I WANT YOU TO ASK YOURSELF.

IF YOU COULDN'T HELP US AND HELP US GET THIS DEVELOPMENT FIXED AND HELP US GET THROUGH THIS, THEN WHEN IS IT GOING TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU BUILD A NEW ONE? AND AGAIN, PLEASE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE... YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE POLICE PATROL THERE MORE.

RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THAT.

EXCEPT WE HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT LIVES DOWN OVER THERE.

BUT RESPONSE TIMES ARE LONGER. THEN IF YOU PUT NEW RESIDENTS, WHAT IS GOING TO HOLD UP THE RESPONSE TIME? YOU ARE DOING CONSTRUCTION. AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO HELP.

PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING A LADY BACK A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I LIVED THERE, MURDERED. IT TOOK A MINUTE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SHOW UP. OR FOR SOMEONE TO RESPOND.

MY NEIGHBOR HAD SMOKE INHALATION.

BECAUSE IT TOO SO LONG FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET THERE.

THAT IS A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE. IF THEY CAN'T HELP US, WHAT'S

GOING TO HELP THEM? >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN.

DO WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION HERE AMONG US?

>> WOULD YOU RESTATE OUR JOBS HERE?

AS PLANNING AND ZONING? >> SO OUR JOB HERE IS BASICALLY ZONING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL AUTHORITY ON ROADS, DRAINAGE, ENGINEERING DESIGN, OR ANYTHING.

OUR CHARGE IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPER IN THIS AREA OF TOWN.

AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD TO DISCUSS.

AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF THIS IS TO BE PASSED OR DENIED, THIS MOVES TO CITY COUNCIL.

WHICHEVER SIDE WAS DISAPPOINTED, WHATEVER CHOICE, THEY CAN APPEAL IT AT CITY COUNCIL. WHO ENDS UP MAKING THE FINAL DECISION. ON ALL ZONING CASES, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BOARD. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER.

>> YEAH. THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TWO READINGS OF IT.

ESSENTIALLY. YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER FOUR...

A PUBLIC FORMER BEFORE THEY VOTE.

A PUBLIC FORUM BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL VOTES.

WHETHER TO DO THIS APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THIS CASE.

SO WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION HERE TODAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THAT WILL MOVE TO CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS PROBABLY TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS AWAY BEFORE THE FIRST READING AND A THIRD ONE BEFORE THE NEXT ONE.

SO... SO IT WILL GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL.

GENERALLY, I DON'T KNOW THE DATES.

GENERALLY, IT WON'T BE AT THE... IS THAT THEM? OKAY. THERE THEY ARE.

ARE THEY UP THERE? THERE IS WHEN THEY WILL GO TO...

THAT FIRST ONE ON NOVEMBER 17. THAT WILL BE THE FIRST READING.

AND THEN THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE INPUT AND VOTE ON THE FIRST. SO YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BUFFER... I MEAN, IT IS KIND OF A CLASSIC ZONING CASE.

HOW YOU WOULD DO IT. AND SO THE LAY OUT.

IT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE DICTATED BY OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES. THEY HAVE THE THOROUGHFARE THAT SHOWS UP ON THE PLAN IN THERE. THEY KIND OF DO WHAT WE ASK, TOO. AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM AND YOU BUFFER FROM MORE INTENSE TO LESS INTENSE.

THEY PUT THE GC OUT ON THE CORNER.

OF THE ARTERIALS. WHERE WE ASKED FOR IT TO BE.

SO I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY KIND OF MET REALLY.

WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AND WHAT WE WOULD THINK WOULD BE

IMPORTANT. >> I AGREE.

I THINK YOU WOULD HOPE THAT DEVELOPMENT ACTUALY HELPS WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING.

RELATED TO DRAINAGE. RELATED TO POOR ROADS THAT ACTUALLY MORE FOCUS AN AREA ON THE REGION.

COULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE SOME OF THINGS THAT ARE WORRISOME.

AND MAKE SENSE. SO...

AS LAID OUT, ALSO THIS ISN'T JUST, LIKE, YOU BLINK YOUR EYES AND EVERYTHING APPEARS TOMORROW. THERE IS GOING TO BE

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INFRASTRUCTURE AND AGRICULTURE...

YOU WILL HAVE TO BRING IN CITY ENGINEERS TO TALK ABOUT HOW M MUCH... WHAT ACTUALLY CAN HAPPEN WITH TRACK E.

HOW BIG THOSE RETAINER PONDS NEED TO BE TO HANDLE THE WATER AND THE FLOODING. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ROADS. THIS Y WOULD COME BACK BEFORE US FOR A FINAL PLAT. FROM A GENERAL CONCEPT FOR AN DD-SHAPED PIECE OF LAND BUT RIGHT BY TWO HIGHWAYS, I THINK

IT MAKES SENSE. >> THERE ARE TWO UNIQUE PIECES TO THIS. ONE, THE REQUEST FOR THE 50-FOOT LOT. BEING BUILT INTO THE ZONING CASE AND THE RESIDENTIAL... THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE GC PORTION FOR THE MULTIFAMILY. THOSE ARE KIND OF YOU FEEK.

UNIQUE. WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TO HEAR THOSE AGAIN. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH.

THAT I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE.

THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. >> I THINK IT GOES IN LINE WITH

THE PLAN THAT I SEE. >> PULL YOUR MIC A BIT.

GOOD. >> YEAH.

I THINK THAT IT GOES IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING, GOING THROUGH IT.

F AS FAR AS PLANNING AND ZONING GOES.

IT IS IN LINE. >> SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

OR... >> I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> MR. BAR NET? >> YES.

>> MR. BENHAM? >> YES.

MS. RUSS SELL? >> NO.

>> MR. NOONAN? >> YES.

>> MS. FLEMING? >> YES.

>> MR. ROSENBAUM? >> YES.

>> THE MOTION CAR RHYS. >> THAT MOVES IT OVER TO COUNCIL. YOU WILL GET TWO SHOTS AT COUNCIL. THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON WHETHER THIS MOVES FORWARD OR NOT.

I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE OR YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY AND LISTEN TO THE OTHER ZONING CASES WE GOT

HERE. >> THIS IS LOCATED AT EAST HIGHWAY 80. THIS IS THE ABILENE HOTEL.

WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR.

ZERO OPPOSED. HERE SA LOCATION MAP.

KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, TSTC IS WEST OF THIS PROPERTY.

ALONG WITH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A COUPLE OF TOWNHOMES TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING.

CURRENTLY, ALL PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT ARE ZONED HEAVY COMMERCIAL. WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACROSS EAST HIGHWAY 80. THERE IS MORE MULTIFAMILY AS WELL FURTHER EAST. THE AFTERLY CAN'T... THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING OVER. HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS CASE GOES HAND IN HAND WITH

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THE NEXT CASE I'M PRESENTING FOR CUP TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY USES IN GENERAL RETAIL. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. >> SO GC, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, IS THERE A CONDITIONAL USE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALSO FOR MULTIFAMILY? THIS IS GENERAL RETAIL.

THE NEST CAKES...... THE NEXT CASE SAYS GC ON IT IN OUR HANDOUT. THIS IS FOR GENERAL RETAIL.

>> NO. I BELIEVE IT DOES.

THIS IS FOR GENERAL RETAIL. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY.

>> OKAY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL RETAIL. THEN THE NEXT CASE IS GOING T TO... THE RESIDENTIAL NOTES IS WHAT

THE NEXT CASE IS GOING TO DO. >> YES.

>> SO I ASSUME THE PROPONENT... I THINK THAT IS A MOTEL-HOTEL.

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> THAT IS THERE NOW. FROM WHAT I SAW FROM THE PLAN, THEY ARE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THAT REALLY.

THEY ARE GOING TO... IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE ARE CLEANING UP THE

ZONING. >> YES.

THIS USE IS NOT PERMITTED. IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

AS A HOTEL OR MOTEL. THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE IT AS A HOTEL WHICH IS ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL.

>> OKAY. IT HAS BEEN A HOTEL FOREVER.

>> YES. IT WAS ABANDONED.

DUE TO BEING VACANT. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.

YOU ARE RIGHT. YUP.

YOU ARE RIGHT. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I GOT YOU. THANKS.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? >> THANKS, ADAM.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO COME AND VISIT WITH US? YES, MA'AM.

COME ON UP AND ASK YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THIS MEETING IS ONLY WITH

(INAUDIBLE). >> NO PERMITS IN THIS MEETING.

YES, MA'AM. >> MY NAME IS JOHN FELDER.

I RESIDE IN TEXAS. I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I'M ALSO AN OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ON SEPTEMBER 19, 2022 IS NWG PROPERTIES.

OUR FAMILY COMPANY. THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY UP FROM UNDER THE CURRENT NEGATIVE CLOUD THAT IT SITS UNDER. AND TRY TOKING IFURE OUT A WAY TO TAKE THE NEGATIVE HISTORY AND PLACE THAT NEGATIVE HISTORY INTO A FUTURE LIFE FOR CHANGES TO TAKE PLACE.

IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REZONING WAS ACTUALLY ACCURATE. IN SUCH CASE, GENERAL RETAIL ALLOWS FOR THE MOTEL-HOTEL USE. IF THAT IS THE CASE.

I'M HOPELING YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE.

THAT ANY QUESTIONS? >> YOU WANT TO MAKE IT MIXED USE WITH HOTEL AND MULTI-FAMILY? YOU WANT TO TAKE IT MULTI-FAM

WILL BUT. >> THE MAIN IDEA WILL BE TO EXTEND IT TODAY TO. BRING IT UNDER MULTI-FAMILY WILL BE THE MAIN GOAL. HOWEVER, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE LEFT AN OPENING FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF STILL USING IT AS A HOTEL-MOTEL. IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY

NEEDS. >> OKAY.

F THE PLAN LOOKED AMBITIOUS. THE LITTLE SIDE PLAN IN THE PACKAGE. THAT LOOKED AMBITIOUS.

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, URG CLEANING UP THE PROPERTY QUITE A

BIT. >> YES.

WE WILL GUT EVERYTHING OUT AND START FROM SCRATCH.

WE WILL STILL KEEP THE BONES. WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT HERE.

THEY WILL HELP US WITH THAT ENDEAVOR.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO VISIT ABOUT THIS ONE? MY NAME IS SUSAN PIGEON. I LIVE AT 17 MONARCH.

I DIDN'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO SOME THESE LETTERS.

WHEN I GOT THE FOURTH ONE, I THOUGHT I BETTER COME DOWN AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WHATTEN THE CHANGE WAS GOING TO BE GENERAL RETAIL, I ASSUMED THAT WAS RETAIL STORES.

APPARENTLY, IT IS NOT. IT IS... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. IT COULD BE REMODELED HOTEL.

IT COULD BE A MOTEL. >> YEAH.

CAN Y'ALL PUT THAT... ADAM, PUT THE GENERAL RETAIL.

IN GENERAL RETAIL ZONING, YOU CAN SEE UP THERE.

THERE IS LOTS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE IN GENERAL RETAIL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES, HOTEL IS ONE OF THEM.

>> NO. IT COULD BE... WELL, YEAH.

IT IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. >> IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR A

WHILE. >> BONES IS KIND OF A GOOD DESCRIPTION. I HAVE BONES.

YOUR BONES CAN HAVE AGO OWE PRO SIS.

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IT IS NOT ALWAYS AN EASY THING TO DO.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS CLEAN THAT PLACE UP.

IT REALLY DOES LOOK BAD. I HAVE TOWNHOUSES RIGHT THERE.

IT IS KIND OF SCARY COMING IN THAT BACK ALLEY TO GO IN THE GARAGE. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT DONE.

I WANTED TO... I WAS SO EXCITED. I THOUGHT GENERAL RETAIL.

THIS IS GREAT. GOING TO BE SOME NEAT THINGS.

THEN I REALIZED IT COULD BE ANYTHING.

>> YUP. >> LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING YOU ARE GOING TO DO?

>> THE GOAL IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

(INAUDIBLE). >> APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YOU MEAN... >> MA'AM, MA'AM, YOU ARE ADDRESSING US. YOU ARE ADDRESSING US.

>> RIGHT. >> THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS GO

TO GENERAL RETAIL ON THE ZONING. >> IT COULD BE A HOTEL.

OR A MOTEL. OR EVEN APARTMENTS.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PRICE RANGE IT IS GOING TO BE.

THE EXTENTOF THE REPAIR. >> CORRECT.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN IT? >> YEAH.

I DID SOME ENGINEERING ON IT OUT THERE ONE TIME.

>> ANYWAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

I KIND OF FEEL LIKE A DAVID AND GOLIATH HERE WITHOUT THE SLING-SHOT. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THE KEY HERE IS WHAT ADAM SAID.

THERE HAD BEEN PEOPLE STAYING IN.

THAT IT WAS ABANDONED FOR SIX MONTHS.

THAT THREW IT BACK INTO THEM HAVING TO COME IN AND ASK FOR GENERAL RETAIL. IT WAS GRANDFATHERED INTO THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING. WHEN IT WAS ABANDONED FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN JOHN'S GROUP CAME IN AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THAT THREW THEM INTO... GETTING

THE ZONING RIGHT. >> I WOULDN'T WANT TO DRIVE AROUND AT NIGHT IN THAT AREA. LET'S PUT IT THAT THE WAY.

IT WAS GETTING PRETTY RUN-DOWN-LOOKING.

I APPRECIATE HE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

I WAS HOPING IT WAS GOING TO BE BUSINESSES OR SOMETHING LIKE.

THAT BUT THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

A LOT OF GROWTH AROUND THAT AREA.

CLEANED UP. SOMEBODY WANTS TO TURN IT INTO A LONG-TIME STAY OR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, I WILL MOVE TO

APPROVE. >> I SECOND.

YES. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

>> MR. BAR NET? >> YES.

MR. BENHAM? >> YES.

MS. RUSSELL? >> YES.

>> MR. NOONAN? >> YES.

MR. FLEMING? >> YES.

MR. ROSENBAUM? >> YES.

THE MOTION CARRIES. >> KRUPP-2022-09.

CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PROPERTY.

GENERAL RETAIL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND. I WORK FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS CUP2022-09.

THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JOHN FELDER.

THIS IS A CUP TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY AND GENERAL RETAIL.

LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS FOR 774 EAST HIGHWAY 80.

THE ABILENE HOTEL. HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. LIKE I SAID, TSTC TO THE WEST.

AND PEST PATROL TO THE EAST. HERE IS THE ZONING MAP AGAIN.

HEAVY COMMERCIAL. ALL AROUND.

PROPOSED GENERAL RETAIL. MULTI-FAMILY TO THE EAST.

HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES. GENERAL RETAIL ZONING.

HERE ARE SOME MORE SUBJECT PROPERTY VIEWS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE NORTH AND... EAST AND WEST NEIGHBORS. HERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT INCLUDES A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG EAST HIGHWAY 80.

AND HE WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. WE RECEIVED NO NOTIFICATIONS IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION FOR THIS PROPERTY.

WE FIND THAT THIS PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING.

GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE KRIEL TIER YEAH FOR APPROVAL. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. SUBJECT TO THE COMMITTED SITE PLAN. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. >> MOTION FOR ADAM? THANKS. THIS CALLS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING ALREADY.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE IS WARRANTED. I THINK IT IS A GOOD... LIKE WE SAID BEFORE. IT IS APPROPRIATE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MR. BENHAM?

>> YES. >> PZ RUSSELL IN.

>> YES. >> MR. NOONAN?

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>> YES. >> MR. ROSENBAUM?

>> YES. .

>> AND MS. FLEMING? >> YES.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES. >> OKAY.

OUR PROBLEM CHILD ZONING CASE HERE.

TC22-03. THOROUGHFARE CLOSURE CASE.

22-03. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND. THIS IS TC2022-03.

A THOROUGHFARE CLOSURE TO CLOSE A PORTION OF SIMMONS AVENUE.

IT IS 670 FEET FROM EXTENDING NORTH OF AMBLER.

SIMMONS AVENUE. WE RECEIVED EIGHT IN FAVOR.

AND ZERO IN OPPOSITION. HERE IS THE HERE IS THE SUBJECT

PROPERTY. >> THERE IS SOME MD ZONING NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. AND FURTHER WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS RS-6 ZONING. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE.

THAT IS WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS OF SUBJECT PROPERTIES AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. AND THERE ARE A FEW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

HERE ARE NOTIFICATION MAPS. WE RECEIVED NIGHT FAVOR.

... EIGHT IN FAVOR. SIMMONS AND HENDRICK.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS SUBJECT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ALL THE JOINING PROPERTIES SHALL BE PLATTED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE. EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ABANDONMENT ORDINANCE. THE RE-PLAT... IF A RE-PLAT IS NOT APPROVED OR RECORDED WITHIN ONE YEAR, GRANTING OF THE ABEEN ABANDONMENTS, RIGHTS OF WAY SHALL BE VOID.

ALL EXISTING UTILITIES WITHIN THE AFFECTED RIGHTS OF WAY SHALL BE RECOVERED BY A UTILITY'SMENT OR REROUTED.

GATES MAY NOT BE INSTALLED UNTIL APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS.

FIRE, POLICE, AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

IT SHALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HARDIN SIMMONS UNIVERSITY TO INSTALL REQUIRED LIGHTING, REFLECTIVE TAPE, SIGNAGE, AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO ALLOW EMERGENCY ACCESS.

AND PROVIDE SAFE OPERATIONS TO ALL GATE LOCATIONS.

AND PRIOR TO INSTALLATION OF GATES AND EXTENSION OF UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD FROM THE WEST EXTENDING TO SIMMONS AVENUE MUST BE DEDICATED ON PLAT, CONSTRUCTED AND TO MEET STANDARDS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. >> OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.

>> DO YOU HAVE B.J.'S MAP? IT WAS IN OUR PACKET.

>> YES. >> CAN YOU PUT THAT UP?

OKAY. >> I'M ANDREW BRISCOE.

TAYLOR COUNTY. REPRESENTING HARDIN SIMMONS UNIVERSITY. I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR POSITION FOR ASKING FOR. THIS WE ARE BUILDING A NEW DORMITORY THAT HOUSES ABOUT 166 STUDENTS.

IF YOU GO TO THE LAND MAP, THE USE MAP, YEAH... RIGHT THERE.

THERE IS A LARGE PARKING LOT THAT IS KIND OF A FUNNY-SHAPED TRAP SIDE TRAPEZOID OR SOMETHING.

THEY WERE PUTTING A DORMITORY THERE.

THEY WILL BE USING THAT PARKING LOT THAT SITS ON THE WEST SIDE OF SIMMONS. OUR STUDENTS WILL BE TRACKING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THERE. AND THAT IS ONE REASON WE WANT TO REMOVE THE TRAFFIC FROM THE AREA.

THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE OFF SIMMONS IS KIND OF PRECARIOUS FOR OUR STUDENTS WHO ARE LEAVING THERE ON THAT SECTION OF ROAD. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE IS 12 INTERSECTIONS THAT EXIST IN A HALF-MILE SPACE BETWEEN WHAT THE GRAPE STRIKEOUT AND PINE STREET.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 1,500 PARKING SPOTS. THAT IS A HEAVY USE ROAD IN THERE. SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUR STUDENTS OUT AND WHAT WILL BE UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD CONTINUED ALL THE WAY OVER THROUGH TO SIMMONS, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUR STUDENTS TO GRAPE STREET OR PINE STREET SO THEY COULD ENTER ON TO AMBER AND GO SOUTH AT A PROTECTED TURN IS

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BENEFICIAL TO US. IN THAT REGARD.

IT IS A LITTLE BIT MOTHERLY SOMEWHAT IN TRYING TO PUSH OUR STUDENTS AWAY AND GET THEM TO A DIFFERENT INTERSECTION.

WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IS THE BEST THING WE CAN OFFER FOR OUR STUDENTS TO. CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC THERE.

FOR THEM WALKING ACROSS FROM THE PARKING.

AND ALSO ENTERING ON TO AMBLER. THAT IS OUR POSITION.

THAT IS WILE WE ARE PUSHING AND ASKING FOR Y'ALL TO REKOR THIS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

ME. >> SO IS B.J. GOING TO COME UP?

HE MAY ASK YOU. >> B.J. CAN COME UP.

HE IS PROBABLY GOING TO HANDLE THE TECHNICAL SIDE BETTER THAN ME. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE IS STILL FOUR PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF SIMMONS. NORTH OF THE PARKING LOT.

THAT YOU GUYS OR HENDRICK OR SOMEBODY DOESN'T OWN.

THEY ARE STILL INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.

>> RIGHT. THERE IS THREE PROPERTIES WE OWN ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES OURSELF FOR THE UNIVERSITY.

SO THE... THERE IS TWO PROPERTIES.

THE ONE IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE PARKING LOT.

THE ONE BESIDE. THAT THOSE ARE FRIENDS OF THE UNIVERSITY'S. MS. DENNIS WROTE A LETTER AND SAID SHE WAS IN OPPOSITION THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME.

WELL, THOSE TWO LADIES ACTUALLY CAME TO VISIT WITH ME.

I TRIED TO NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM BEFORE.

THEY NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION. I EXPLAINED THE SITUATION.

HOW UNIVERSITY WAS GOING TO CONTINUE ON A STRAIGHT PATH.

IT WAS NOT GOING TO ENCROACH UPON THE PROPERTY.

YOU WOULD STILL HAVE PARKING ON THAT NORTH SIDE.

OF UNIVERSITY THERE AS WELL. EXPLAINING THE SITUATION TO HER.

SHE WAS MUCH MORE PLEASED TO SEE THAT THAT SECTION OF SIMMONS WAS GOING TO BE CLOSED. BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO USE THAT STRAIGHT PATH TO DRIVE REALLY FAST UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND SO SHE IS ACTUALLY APPRECIATIVE THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL NOW ACTUALLY SEEM TO BE PUSHED DOWN LOUDON AND OUT TO GRAPE STREET. EVEN NOT COMING TO HER SECTION

OF PROPERTY AS WELL. >> ON THE MAP THAT WE SAW, INFORMS OUR PACKET, UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD DOES GO OVER AND TIE INTO SIMMONS. THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.

THERE IS NOTHING IN ANY OF THE DATA, NOTHING IN ANY OF THE STUFF... IN THIS OR... THAT SAYS THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> CORRECT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS THAT DOES SAY THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO B.J. SENT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION SO YOU CAN SEE IT IN FULL. ACTUALLY, THE LET HEAR THE WENT OUT ACTUALLY REFERENCED THE UNIVERSITY BEING COMPLETED OVER TO SIMMONS. THAT IS THE CLARIFICATION THAT MS. DENNIS HAD COME TO GET FROM ME.

ON THAT UN. WE HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED TO MOBILIZE ON THAT SITE TO BUILD THAT SECTION OF UNIVERSITY AND TO COMPLETE THAT SECTION OF... WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM TO

COMPLETE THAT SECTIONLE OF ROAD. >> IS IT GOING TO BE, LIKE, A

LANE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT? >> YES, SIR.

IT IS GOING TO MEET ALL THE CURRENT ROAD STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE. IT WILL EXCEED THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD THAT EXISTS ON THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE UNIVERSITY. THERE OVER TO GRAPE STREET.

IT WILL BE HIGHER QUALITY. IT IS NEWER CONSTRUCTION.

>> OKAY. >> THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX DOES SAY PRIOR TO INSTALLATION OF GATES AND EXTENSION OF UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD FROM WEST, END THING TO SIMMONS AVENUE MUST BE DEDICATED.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> IT DOES SAY THAT. >> THAT IS A RECOMMENDED CONDITION THAT STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE YET.

THAT WOULD BE DRAFTED BEFORE COUNCIL IF THAT IS THE CONDITION

THAT YOU REQUIRE. >> OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. >> B.J., JUST TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. (LAUGHTER) AGAIN JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE DONE AS SOON AS THE ABANDONMENT IS COMPLETED. ASSUMING THAT GOES THROUGH.

WE WILL RE-PLAT EVERYTHING. THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE

DOMINOES TO FALL. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. ANYBODY ELSE? CLOSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> CLARIFICATION. >> WITH THE CONDITIONS AS

OUTLINED BY STAFF. >> OKAY.

>> SECOND. >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> MR. BARNETT? >> YES.

>> MR. BENHAM? >> YES.

MS. RUSSELL? >> YES?

>> MS. PHLEGMING? YES.

>> MR. ROSENBAUM? >> YES.

>> THE MOTION CARRIES. >> AND I THINK THAT IS OUR AGENDA. WE ARE

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