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>> SORRY, FOLKS. I WAS RUNNING.
CATCH MY BREATH. REVEREND, WOULD YOU MIND
BLESSING OUR MEETING HERE? >> LET US PRAY.
GOD, WE COME, WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR US. WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR BRINGING US FROM THE YEAR 2022 INTO THE YEAR 2023.
WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR KEEPING US SAFE FROM THE PANDEMIC.
GOD, WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO BLESS US, BLESS THIS CITY, ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. GOD, A SPECIAL BLESSING UPON OUR SCHOOLS. NOT JUST IN ABILENE BUT THROUGHOUT THIS NATION. GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD TOUCH OUR HEARTS SO THAT WE WOULD DO THE THINGS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.
BLESS ALL THE MEMBERS. BLESS ALL OUR FAMILIES.
GOD, WE ASK YOU TO REMEMBER THOSE THAT HAVE HAD DEATH IN THEIR FAMILY RECENTLY. BE A COMFORT TO THEM.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
HAPPY NEW YEAR. EXCITING TO GET THE NEW YEAR ROLLING HERE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR THE APPROVAL OF PLATS, HOWEVER IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE DECISIONS OF THIS BOARD MAY BE APPEALED TO THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF IN MEETING.
ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. F THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR.
THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND PURPOSE FOR APPEARANCE.
THESE SPEAK... EACH SPEAKER IS REQUIRED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.
ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
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OUR FIRST ITEM IS OUR MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.THEY WERE IN OUR PACKET. HAS EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM? ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE? OR WE CAN HAVE A MOTION.
>> PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'M GLAD YOU REMIND ME.
I FORGET THAT EVERY TIME. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS OUR MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SEEING NO ONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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>> OUR NEXT ITEM IS PLATS. ADAM, ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE
PLATS TODAY? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE. THE FIRST PLAT I'LL BE PRESENTING IS PLAT 8122-FRPB GULF OIL COMPANY SUBDIVISION 1.
THEY HAVE DECIDED TO RE-PLAT THIS PROPERTY INTO FIVE DIFFERENT LOTS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL USE.
THIS HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 3, ARTICLE 2 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. CITY STAFF MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A TITLE OPINION OR TITLE COMMITMENT LETTER.
AND ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE COMPLETED OR A FINANCIAL GUARANTEE MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
NEXT IS PLAT 10522-MP. THIS PLAT HAS BEEN FOUND INCONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 3, ARTICLE 2 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS PLAT HAS NO FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC ROAD. THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS FOR ME. >> ON THE DENIAL THERE, I MEAN, SURE THEY KNEW THAT GOING IN. WHAT... WHY AREN'T THEY DOING
WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO? >> THERE IS JUST NOT REALLY AN EASY WAY TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY AS IT HAS NO FRONTAGE.
THIS LOT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY STUB DIVIDED THIS WAY.
LEGALLY, AS A TEN-ACRE LOT WHICH EXEMPTS IT FROM THE PLATTING
>> IT CAN'T BE SUB-DIVIDED ANY FURTHER TO MEET OUR
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO ROAD FRONTAGE?
IS THAT THE ENTRY ROADWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, FOR THE
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SUBDIVISION? IS THERE SOME THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR SOMETHING DICTATING SOME OF THAT?>> THIS IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
TO GRANT ACCESS FOR OTHER PROPERTIES TO EACH OTHER.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS EITHER ONE OF THESE PLATS? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS A MATTER OF DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE EVER DENIED A PLAT, AS IT HAS GOTTEN TO US LIKE THIS. I ASSUME THAT JUST... DO WE NEED TO DO A SEPARATE MOTION FOR EACH ONE? A MOTION TO APPROVE, ONE. AND MOTION TO DENY THE OTHER.
>> LET'S ADDRESS 8122. DO WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON
THAT PLAT? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THAT PLAT.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> AND THE PLAT 10522. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT
PLAT? >> WE ARE HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY WENT FORWARD. PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE NEVER DENIED... I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER HAD ONE... THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING THIS DENIED. I WOULD MOVE TO DENY BASED ON
THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATIONS. >> THERE IS A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MR. BARNETT?
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>> YES. >> THE MOTION CARRIES.
>> ZONING CASE Z2023-01. LET'S SEE.
REZONING APPROXIMATELY 2.4 ACRES AT SOUTH PINE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND. I'M WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THAT IS REZONE REQUEST FROM NEW DAIRY TEXAS LLC. THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE PROPERTY ON 301-309 SOUTH PIONEER FROM ELLIE.
THIS IS THE OLD BORDEN BUILDING.
THIS IS CURRENTLY UNUSED. HERE IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE ADJACENT ZONINGS AS WELL.
RS-6 IS WEST OF THIS PROPERTY. AND RS-8 SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE INTENTION OF THIS IS TO REZONE IT TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
WHILE STILL RETAINING THE RIGHT TO COMMERCIAL USE.
SHOULD THIS NOT BE DEVELOPED AS MULTIFAMILY.
HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN LI ZONING.
WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD GR BASE ZONING.
WITH ALL ALLOWABLE USES IN LI ZONING.
WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
FOR THIS PROPERTY. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE EXISTING PROPERTIES NEARBY.
A RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET. ACROSS PIONEER.
FURTHER SOUTH. AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
EAST OF THE PROPERTY, I'M SORRY. THERE IS ALSO AN OFFICE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE OR SIX OPPOSITIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. ONE AT 4410.
AND THE REST COMING FROM THAT PARCEL.
242 SOUTH PIONEER. THEY ARE ALL FROM ONE PROPERTY OWNER. WITH MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
THAT EQUALS A .5% OPPOSITION. THIS PROPOSED REQUEST, WE FIND CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING USES IN ZONING AND GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES. THE SPIRIT OF THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL IN THE LDC.
STAFF REMENTS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN AND PROPOSED BASE ZONING DISTRICT, LAND USE, AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. HERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY. AS WELL.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS HOW THEY INTEND TO BUILD OUT THE PROPERTY AS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. A TOTAL OF 36 UNITS WITH 76 STALLS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYQUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> WHAT IS THE REASON, IF THERE WAS A REASON GIVEN, FOR THE OPPOSITION?
>> THE REASON FOR OPPOSITION FOR THESE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH THAT WAS STATED ON THEIR RESPONSE WAS NOT FOR MF ZONING.
AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES FOR 4410.
>> SO AS FAR AS THE PD. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I SAW IN THE DOCUMENTATION. THE DOCUMENTATION LOOKED TO ME LIKE WE WERE SAYING THAT WE HAD A GR BASE BUT WOULD ALLOW ANYTHING THAT WAS LI IN THERE OVER THE GR BASE.
AND WE WOULD ALLOW MULTIFAMILY. THAT IS WHAT IT SEEMED TO ME
LIKE IT SAID. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> LET ME GIVE YOU MY ISSUE WITH THAT.
OKAY? I SEE THE PROPONENTS ARE OUT HERE. WE CAN DISCUSS THIS.
MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS IN GR, MULTIFAMILY IS A CONDITIONAL USE. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE GR AND US WORKING TOWARD A KBL USE. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT TIE TO THAT CONDITIONAL USE. FOR US TO SAY THAT WE ARE ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY, GR AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THIS, I'M NOT TOO SURE I'M FOR THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE... I DON'T KNOW HOW WE TIE THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE GR TO
THIS. >> IN OUR ORDINANCE, OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE, WE HAVE KIND OF ADDED SOME STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE MULTIFAMILY USE OF THE PROPERTY. SUCH AS IF IT IS DEVELOPED, MULTIFAMILY, THEN IT IS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, IT WILL RETAIN THE RIGHT TO USE... BE USED AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR A CREAMERY OR FOR ANY OTHER KIND
OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE. >> SO PUT THE SITE PLAN UP.
THE NEW BUILDING THERE. WHAT IS THE CHARACTERISTICS O'.
TWO-STORY IN THREE-STORY IN. >> I BELIEVE IT IS GOING TO BE ONE STORY. BUT THE PROPONENT IS HERE.
HE CAN EXPLAIN. >> SO HERE IS MY... WHERE I'M HEADED, ADAM. WHEN WE SAY CONDITIONAL USE, CONDITIONAL USE, IF WE APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE AND GR, THIS SITE PLAN IS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.
OKAY? AND THEY CAN'T CHANGE THAT SITE PLAN WITHOUT COMING BACK AND ASKING TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONAL USE. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE COULD MAKE THIS SITE PLAN PART OF THE... IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MULTIFAMILY AND THEN THEY SAY "WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. WE ARE GOING TO TEAR THIS DOWN AND BUILD MULTIFAMILIES IN THERE." WE WANT TO TIE THE MULTIFAMILY TO THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, IN MY
YES. THAT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, TO HAVE THIS CONCEPT PLAN BE TIED TO THE PLAN
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. >> OKAY.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ADAM? THANK YOU, ADAM. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, HAPPY NEW YEAR.
NICE TO SEE YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS MIKE ASHE. THIS IS JEFF GARCIA.
WE REPRESENT BORDEN BLUFF WHICH IS HOPING TO PURCHASE THE LAND FROM THE NEW TEXAS DAIRY AND REDEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS REDEVELOP THE MAIN BUILDING ITSELF AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT WILL HAVE ROUGHLY 27 UNITS IN IT, SERVING THE SENIOR POPULATION.
SO WE ARE TOTALLY OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE CONDITIONAL USE BEING TIED TO THE PLAN. IT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET DONE OR SOMEBODY ELSE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEE ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT. WE ARE IN THE SECOND BUILDING TOWARDS THE BACK, HOPING TO DEVELOP NINE UNITS, SO IT WOULD BE 36 TO 38 UNITS TOTAL THERE. TWO BUILDINGS AT THE FAR BACK OF THE PROPERTIES ARE BOTH GOING TO COME DOWN.
YOU WOULD BE LEFT WITH A REBUILT HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THEN A SMALLER BUILDING TO THE BACK THAT WILL COMPLEMENT IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT WILL MIMIC IT OR BE DISTINCTIVE FROM IT. WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND WITH A HISTORIC TAX CREDIT, FOLKS.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT... IF YOU DON'T MIND, ABOUT THE COMPANY. THE PROJECT WILL BE IN GOOD
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HANDS. VERY BRIEFLY, THE COMPANY WE WORK FOR IS PART OF AN INTEGRATED HOLDING COMPANY.WE WILL DO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL DO THE CONSTRUCTION.
WE WILL DO THE MANAGEMENT OF IT. WE WILL ALSO DO THE SYNDICATION OF THE TAX CREDITS AND THE RAISING OF THE EQUITY.
EACH OF THOSE ARMS HAS ROUGHLY 28-38 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS.
WE ARE PERFECTLY PREPARED TO DO THIS.
I WANT TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON THE SYNDICATOR.
THAT PART. WE HAVE SYNDICATED, RAISED OVER $4 BILLION IN CREDITS FOR INVESTMENTS SUCH AS THIS.
THE REASON WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AND TO THE CITY IS THAT WE WILL BE WITH THIS LONG-TERM. WE ARE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR ANY KIND OF ISSUES THAT ARISE DURING CONSTRUCTION OR AFTER. WE WILL HOPEFULLY, BE MANAGING THIS FOR 35-45 YEARS AFTERWARDS. SO THIS WILL BE A LONG-TERM HOLD FOR US. WE WILL BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT HAPPEN.
YOUR PACKET, I HOPE YOU GOT THE PACKET.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE TEXAS COMMUNITIES WE HAVE DEVELOPED.
THESE ARE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. A LOT OF STUFF UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO GOT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORIC PROJECTS WE HAVE DEVELOPED. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE QUALITY OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT. AND OUR CAPABILITIES WITH THOSE PRODUCTS. SITE, AS YOU HAVE SEEN, 309, SOUTH PIONEER. SIMILAR AERIAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE VERY MUCH IS ITS... THE SITE'S RELATIONSHIP TO TRANSPORTATION TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES IN THE AREA. AND JUST SOME OF THE AMENITIES THERE. AS WE MENTIONED, WE WILL HAVE TWO BUILDINGS. A OUT OF GREEN... A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. WE TALKED WITH THE CITY PLANNING STAFF A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGN ITSELF.
WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE USING THE PATIO AS AN AMENITY AREA.
REAL QUICKLY, OVERVIEW OF THE FEATURES.
LEASING OFFICE COMMUNITY LOUNGE, KITCHEN, FITNESS ROOM, COMPUTER LAB. OUTDOOR GREEN SPACE.
I'M RUSHING A LITTLE BIT. I APOLOGIZE.
I WANT TO HONOR THE TIME COMMITMENT.
21 ONE-BEDROOMS. 15 TWO-BEDROOMING RIGHT NOW.
IT WILL BE AGE-RESTRICTED. 55-PLUS.
THEY WILL NOT HAVE PEOPLE UNDER 55 LIVING THERE.
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE GRANDKIDS VISIT.
THERE WILL BE LIMITATIONS ON THAT.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY THE USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE.
RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE, A USE THAT IS INVOLVING SOME TRUCKING. SOME NOISES.
SOME INDUSTRIAL NOISES. AT THE PLANT THERE.
WE ARE GOING TO SEEN YOUR AND MULTIFAMILY WHICH IS PROBABLY THE LEAST INTENSE USE YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.
THE OTHER USES THERE, IF IT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WILL BE MUCH MORE INTENSIVE USE. MUCH MORE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS. GENERAL RETAIL WOULD HAVE SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES. THE USE THAT WE HAVE IS APPROPRIATE. IS VERY UNINTENSIVE USE.
IT GETS TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I THINK PLANNING STAFF TALKED ABOUT IN THE REPORT IN TERMS OF THE BUFFER BETWEEN SOME OF THE HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE EAST OF US. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S HOUSING.
THE PLAN AND NEEDS. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> SO MIKE, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEW BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. YOU HEARD ME ASK ABOUT IT.
IS IT ONE STORY, TWO STORIES THAT, KIND OF THING?
>> SURE. THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE ONE STORY. SIX TO EIGHT UNITS IN THAT.
THOSE WILL LIKELY BE THE TWO-BEDROOM UNITS.
IT IS EASIER TO MOVE THE ONE-BEDROOM UNITS AROUND IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAN IT IS THE TWO-BEDROOMS. WE WILL HAVE THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. >> OKAY.
IF WE LIMITED THAT IN THE P.D., IF WE LIMITED THAT TO A ONE-STORY BUILDING, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT?
>> OKAY. THAT IS A GREAT, GREAT USE OF
THE PROPERTY, MIKE. >> THANK YOU.
>> GOOD ADD TO THE AREA. >> I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING IN ABILENE FOR FIVE YEARS.
I HAVE NOT HAD THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY OR YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ME BEFORE. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO VISIT WITH US? LY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. GUYS, I THINK YOU SAW WHAT MY QUESTION TO ADAM WAS. I'LL TAKE THAT.
WHAT I DON'T WANT THE. >> DOVMENT ALLOW IS SOMEBODY TO COME IN IN HERE AND LEVEL THE BUILDING AND ADD A THREE-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT ONE-STORY, I'M GREAT WITH THAT. TWO-STORIES, IT IS GOING TO BE TWO-STORIES, I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION.
THREE STORIES, I DOUBT WE WOULD AIL LOU IT.
IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I THINK WITH BEING ONE-STORY, TO ME, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO ALLOW IN THE P.D. IS ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND TAKE THIS PROPERTY, BUILD UP A THREE-STORY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX ON IT. ADAM, HEARING THAT, THAT IS MY
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CONCERN. I'M READY FOR THE DISCUSSION FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HERE.>> I THINK BY ADDING THAT CONDITION TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS, TIED TO THE SITE PLAN, IT WILL FORCE, IF IT DOES CHANGE HANDS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK.
I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD... THIS APPEARS TO BE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. HOPEFULLY, THEY DO IT.
THAT IS GREAT. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT FOR 40 YEARS. MAYBE GIVE THEM A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IF THEY GET THERE. MAYBE THE BUILDING HAS TO BE A LITTLE LONGER. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE TOO LIMITED BY SOMETHING THEY JUST DREW UP QUICKLY.
IT IS A GOOD USE FOR A BUILDING THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN USED FOR A WHILE. AN AREA THAT COULD USE MORE HOUSING. IF WE COULD PHRASE THIS RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY. AS WELL AS CONDITIONS THAT THE NEW... THAT ANY NEW STRUCTURES ADDED WOULD BE LESS THAN ONE STORY. WOULD BE ONE STORY.
ONE STORY OR LESS. CAN'T BE LESS THAN ONE.
>> AND THE CONDITIONS? >> WITH THE CONDITIONS.
>> SO BEFORE WE GET A SECOND. >> NO.
WE HAVE TO WRITE PHRASING OR... >> SO LET ME... I'M BACK TO HUNG UP ON THIS GENERAL RETAIL WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE.
AND HOW THAT IS WORDED IN THE P.D.
BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE ARE ALLOWING... WE ARE HAVING A GENERAL RETAIL P.D. WITH ALLOWING ANYTHING THAT IS OVER AND ABOVE THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN HERE.
THEN WHAT I THINK WE ARE SAYING. WE ARE ALLOWING CONDITIONAL USE OF A MULTIFAMILY INSIDE THE GENERAL RETAIL.
WE ARE PUTTING STIPULATIONS ON THAT CONDITIONAL USE.
>> YES, SIR. >> I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE LANGUAGE. ADAM, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND
WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. >> IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS IS
APPROVED WITH THIS SITE PLAN. >> YEAH.
>> AND IF IT IS SOLD TO ANYONE ELSE, YOU OWN THE SITE PLAN.
>> WELL, BY A CONDITIONAL USE, THE SITE PLAN GOES WITH THE PROPERTY. THE CONDITIONAL USE STAYS WITH
THE PROPERTY. >> THE NEXT BUYER WOULD HAVE TO
COMPLETELY AGREE. >> OR IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND
REDO IT. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WHOLE DEAL IS CONTINGENT ON A FEW OTHER THINGS ANYWAY.
>> YEAH. WE ARE HAVING AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION HERE. WE WANT THE LANGUAGE TO BE RIGHT. TO MAKE SURE IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU GUYS. BRAD, I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS
CORRECT. >> THE SITE PLAN THEY PROVIDED, DOES IT SAY IN THE SITE PLAN THAT IT IS A ONE-STORY ON THE
BACK STRUCTURE? >> I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
>> THAT COULD BE ADDED AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
>> OKAY. ADD ANOTHER LINE TO CONDITION.
>> OKAY. >> THAT THE NEW STRUCTURE WOULD
>> DO I NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN? SHOULD I TRY TO SAY IT AGAIN?
>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY MR. BENHAM FOR APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH THE CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF AND THAT ANY NEW STRUCTURES WOULD BE ONE STORY. THE SITE PLAN STAYS WITH THAT
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. >> THAT IS AS GOOD AS WE CAN PRINT IT. THAT IS MY MOTION.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND?
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> YES. >> THE MOTION CARRIES.
I APPRECIATE IT. >> NEXT ITEM IS A STREET NAME CHANGE. 2023-01.
REQUEST TO PERMANENTLY CHANGE THE NAME FROM NORTH NINTH STREET TO ALLIE WARD BETWEEN ASH AND PLUM.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND. I'M WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING SINCE THEY ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER. THESE ARE BOTH PRESENTED BY LET
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US BREATHE ABILENE, REPRESENTED BY DR. A.C. JACKSON.THESE ARE TO CHANGE THE NAME OF NORTH NINTH STREET AND ASH STREET TO FROM THE 500, 600 BLOCK AND THE 800 BLOCK OF ASH STREET TO RAYMOND HAYDEN DRIVE. HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE TWO STREETS. AS YOU CAN SEE, NORTH NINTH RUNNING EAST TO WEST. IT IS GOING TO BE CHANGED TO ALLIE WARD AND ASH STREET FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
GOING TO BE CHANGED TO RAYMOND HAYDEN DRIVE.
HERE IS THE ZONING MAP, SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE PROPERTIES. THIS IS MOSTLY ZONED MF WITH HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY.
NORTH OF THIS IS A SCHOOL. ABILENE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. HERE ARE SUBJECT VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. NORTH NINTH AND OF ASH STREET.
WE HAVE RECEIVED... SINCE MAKING THIS POWER POINT, WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR OF MEALS ON WHEELS ON 849 PLUM STREET.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES FROM THIS STREET NAME CHANGE.
ON NORTH NINTH STREET, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR... WE DON'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS.
THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE FIVE EXISTING STREET NAME SIGNS, AND THE ADDRESS ON NORTH NINTH STREET WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED. THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE FIVE EXISTING NAME SIGNS ON ASH STREET.
WITH THIS REQUEST. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT CONTAIN A CRITERIA TO ASSESS WHEN A STREET NAME CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE. BUT STAFF IS ASKING THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NAME CHANGE. INCLUDING STREET SIGNS AND ADDRESS CHANGE FEES. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> SO YOUR NUMBERS... AND THIS IS... YOUR NUMBERS OF ONE AND EIGHT.
TO ME, THAT WAS STRUCTURES. THERE IS A LOT MORE LOTS THAN THAT. THERE IS A LOT MORE LOTS THAN EIGHT LOTS FACING ASH THAT HAVE THE ASH ADDRESS.
THERE IS TWO LOTS, ONE ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN THE LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
>> YES. >> IF YOU GO TO THE... TO YO YOUR... TO THE GIS AND YOU LOOK AT THE ADDRESSES...
>> YES. THESE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM THE CITY OF ABILENE'S ADDRESSING DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE SPECIFIED THAT NAME CHANGE FEES WOULD BE PAID FOR
WITH PERMANENT ADDRESS... >> LIKE 517, THERE IS A NORTH NINTH ADDRESS. THE ONE YOU ARE REFERENCING IS 020. WHICH IS WOODSON DRIVE.
GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM?
>> THIS MAY PREDATE... I DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT WHENEVER WE HAD ONE OF THESE... I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR OR SO AGO, IT WAS LIKE AN HONORARY SIMILAR TO, LIKE, WHAT THE STREET NAME CHANGES WERE DOWNTOWN.
YOU KEEP THE STREET NAME. THEN THERE IS AN HONORARY TAG.
I GUESS THIS IS DIFFERENT. IT IS A PERMANENT CHANGE.
>> YES. THEY ARE ASKING FOR A PERMANENT NAME CHANGE. FOR THESE STREETS.
>> I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS FIRE, POLICE.
>> WELL, WHEN THE 911 ADDRESS. THE ADDRESSES WILL CHANGE IN THE 911 SYSTEM. THAT WILL CHANGE TO ALLIE WARD.
THE ADDRESS NAMES WILL CHANGE, ACTUALLY.
>> THANKS, ADAM. >> I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND VISIT WITH US?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REVEREND SHERMAN, JR.
I'M SENIOR PASTOR OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 520 STAFFORD STREET. WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED ABOUT
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THE STREET CHANGE NAME, WE REALLY DID NOT DO ANY RESEARCH OR STUDY OR REALLY CONSULT WITH OUR MEMBERS.SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE SPOKEN, AND WE RECEIVED THIS LETTER.
IT WAS SORT OF LATE. BECAUSE IT WAS DURING THE HOLIDAYS. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVER OTHER CHURCH WORKS, BUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WE SHUT COMPLETELY DOWN. AND SO THAT IS WHY THERE WERE NO RESPONSES AGAINST THE PROJECT, AGAINST THE STREET NAME CHANGE.
I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN. I HAVE BEEN PASTOR HERE... I'M ENTERING INTO MY EIGHTH YEAR. IT IS THE OLDEST AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH IN THE CITY OF ABILENE.
WE JUST CELEBRATED LAST YEAR 137 YEARS.
AND SO WITH THIS IN MIND, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL PRESENT NAME CHANGES, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS STAFFORD STREET WAS NAMED AFTER ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHICH IS IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. AND ACCORDING TO WHAT IF NEWTHE NEW NAME OFF OF ASH AND EIGHTH TO NINTH WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE CHURCH. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE... WE ARE GOING OR THE SURROUNDED BY TWO NAME CHANGES.
I THINK IT IS GOING TO CAUSE... IT IS GOING TO BE CHAOTIC TO ME.
WHEN PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN TO OUR CHURCH, AND WE GIVE THEM THE ADDRESS OF 520 STAFFORD STREET.
I CANNOT EXPRESS TO YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE HAD TO GO FIND THEM. THEY HAVE GOTTEN LOST.
BECAUSE 520 STAFFORD... IT USED TO BE STATE STREET.
WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR GPS, IT SENDS YOU SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE CHURCH. MY SECOND CONCERN AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO STAY WITHIN THE FIVE MINUTES.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND I'M A BAPTIST PREACHER.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS THAT WITH THIS KIND OF CUTTING IN PIECES... AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST HONORING THOSE THAT WE FEEL NEED TO BE HONORED. BUT WE ARE KIND OF CUT IN PIECES... THIS NAME IS GOING TO BE A BLOCK. STAFFORD IS ONE BLOCK.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, STATE STREET PICKS BACK UP.
THIS NAME CHANGE TO MR. HAYDEN IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE BLOCK.
WHEN YOU GO BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DANIELS, IT WILL PICK BACK UP AND BE WHATEVER. THAT IS JUST A CONCERN TO ME.
AND OF COURSE, SHARING WITH SOME OF OUR DEACONS, ONE IN PARTICULAR THIS MORNING, THAT WAS A PROBLEM FOR HIM.
I HAVE... I DON'T KNOW HOW TO... IF I GIVE THIS TO YOU AND YOU PASS THAT OUT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET YOU ALL THE RIGHT THING. YOU WILL SEE THIS PARKING LOT AREA. YOU WILL SEE THIS PARKING LOT AREA. THESE WERE ALL LOTS AT ONE TIME.
ALL OF THESE LOTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PARSONAGE ACROSS THE STREET, ALL OF THIS PROPERTY BELONGS TO ZION.
I KNOW THAT MR. HAYDEN AT ONE TIME, WAS A PRINCIPAL AT WOODSON. HE WAS BACK IN THE 40S OR 50S, FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, A MEMBER OF OUR CHURCH.
THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO HONOR HIM.
CERTAINLY, I'M NOT KNOCKING THAT THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO HONOR HIM. I THINK IT IS JUST INCONVENIENT FOR US AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT. TO DO ANYTHING WITH CHANGES.
CONFUSING ENOUGH AS IT IS, WITH STAFFORD AND WHEN YOU SAY "PERMANENT," THAT MEANS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH. AND THE CHURCH, IF IT IS 137 YEARS OLD, CAN PRETTY MUCH ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR THE NEXT 137 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO
SPEAK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> SIR, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
>> IF IT WAS AN HONORARY NAME BUT NOT A LEGAL NAME, WOULD YOU
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BE MORE IS UP PORRIVE? LIKE, IF IT WAS STILL TECHNICALLY ASH STREET ON THE 911 ROLLS BUT THERE WAS A PLACARD HONORING MS. WARD OR HONORING... BUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE 911 CALLS. IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE GPSADDRESS. >> THE OTHER SIDE, MR. BENHAM, IS THAT WE ARE JUST KIND OF CHOPPING UP NORTH ABILENE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. >> WE ARE KIND OF CHOPPING UP NORTH ABILENE. AND I JUST THINK THAT... IT MAY BE SOME OTHER WAY WE CAN HONOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR SERVICE, AND IT IS KIND OF LIKE THE HALL OF FAME.
YOU GET GUYS GOING FOR FIVE YEARS.
THEN YOU GET GUYS WHO DON'T GO IN UNTIL THEY ALMOST DIE.
IT MAY BE ANOTHER WAY TO HONOR. >> REVEREND, I THINK WHAT HE IS SAYING, HONORARY WOULD BE LIKE DR. SCOTT STREET.
THE ORIGINAL NAME IS STILL THERE.
LIKE DR. ROACH. THE ORIGINAL NAME WAS STILL THERE. COULD YOU ACCEPT SOMETHING LIKE
THAT? >> I COULD STAND AND SAY IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY MY SALARY. AND THEY MAY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
I'LL TELL YOU. WE WILL BE A RECOMMENDING BOARD ON THIS. I WOULD SAY DEPENDING ON...
WHETHER UP OR DOWN FOR THESE TWO GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ENCOURAGE YOUR CONGREGATION TO COME OR TO WRITE LETTERS THAT THEY HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BEFORE THAT. BECAUSE WE WILL KIND OF RECOMMEND IT AND PUSH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OUT.
THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT MAKE THAT FINAL DETERMINATION.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. FOR YOU, SIR.
WHENEVER YOU SAID "CHOPPING IT UP," ARE YOU REFERENCING JUST THAT ONE BLOCK? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT SHOULD
WHAT I'M SAYING, AGAIN, THE STREET CHANGE NAME ITSELF, SOMEONE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT 911.
AND OF COURSE, 911 IS DIFFERENT THAN GPS.
WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE TO COME, AND ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NAME CHANGES. COMPLETELY SURROUNDING OUR CHURCH. WHEN I LOOK... BECAUSE HOW WE TELL PEOPLE TO GET TO US, WE TELL THEM NINTH STREET.
WHEN THEY COME TO NINTH STREET, THEY SEE WOODSON.
THE BACK OF OUR CHURCH IS IN FRONT OF WOODSON.
YOU CAN'T GET LOST. IF YOU CAN GET TO WOODSON.
IF THAT CHANGE TAKES PLACE, T THEN, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO BE... WE HAVE... WE ARE GETTING BACK INTO A LOT OF ACTIVITIES
TAKING PLACE AT THE CHURCH. >> SO RIGHT NOW, PRIOR TO THIS, DO THE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM FINDING YOUR CHURCH NOW?
>> PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE, THAT IS?
THERE WAS SOME CONCERN. I HAD A GENTLEMAN... A PASTOR FRIEND OF MINE THAT CAME TO INSTALL SOME OFFICES AT OUR CHURCH. HE SAD "I'M TEN MINUTES AWAY.
I WENT OUTSIDE. AND 20 MINUTES, I HAD TO FIND HIM. HE WAS DOWN BY THE PARK.
HOW HE ENDED UP THERE, I HAVE NO IDEA.
HE SAID IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE GPS.
>> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO VISIT WITH US?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SENIOR PASTOR OF THE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH IN THE CITY OF ABILENE, TEXAS.
FOR 36 YEARS OF PASTORING THAT PARTICULAR CHURCH.
ALSO I AM PART OF THE INTERESTED CITIZENS BOARD AS WELL AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN THAT LOCATION, ALSO HOME OWNER AND PROPERTY OWNER ON A... PERSONALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M HERE TO STAND TO SAY ALSO AS A PROPERTY OWNER FROM OUR CH CHURCH, ALSO THE HISTORIAN THAT PRIMARILY LOOKS AT THAT AREA AND
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THEY CONCENTRATE ON DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I STAND TO OPPOSE ALSO.AS I DO HISTORY AND RESEARCH IN REGARDS TO THOSE WHO WERE PROMINENT LEAD URS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I HAVE TO STAND AND SAY THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL SITE OF THE WOODSON ELEMENTARY AND THOSE WHO PLAYED SIGNIFICANT PARTS IN THAT AREA, THE FIRST SCHOOL BEING LOCATED BACK IN 1936 ON THE CORNER OF NORTH SECOND AND PLUM STREET. WHICH IS MORE DOWNTOWN THAN INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO MY CONCERN IS THAT AS NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, I ONLY RECEIVED A NOTICE AS A PROPERTY OWNER... OR SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE NO LONGER LIVING IN ABILENE, BUT ARE PLANNING TO INVEST AND TO BUILD IN THAT AREAS ON PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN. OUR FUTURE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO INVEST INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO ALSO BUILD PROPERTIES THERE. MY CONCERN THIS MORNING IS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE NAME CHANGE AND A PERMANENT CHANGE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BEING CONCENTRATED FROM NORTH SIXTH TO NORTH 18TH, TO PINE STREET, I FEEL AND ALSO AS WELL AS MY TRUSTEE BOARD AND COMMITTEES THAT WE WORK WITH IN THE STUDY OF THE CHANGES THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE SHOULD BE OTHER COMMUNICATIONS RATHER THAN JUST TO SEND A LETTER TO CERTAIN PEOPLE AS WELL AS JUST PLACING A SIGN ON THE CORNER.
IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE VERY FEW HOMES.
VERY FEW OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OWN THOSE HOMES. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RECEIVED A NOTICE OR NOT. BUT I BELIEVE IN, AS I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMITTEE, FORECAST IT DOES NOT ADD TO THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT TAKES AWAY.
ASH STREET HAS BEEN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MANY YEARS.
WHEN YOU GO BACK AND DO THE HISTORY OF THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DEFINITELY TAKES AWAY. ALSO, THERE WAS NEVER A MEETING WITH OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND IF THERE WAS ONE, I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED. NONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WAS NOTIFIED. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
ALSO A LETTER SHOULD BE BEEN SENT.
AND THEN MT. ZION HAS PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT PART IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. RB HAYDEN WAS MY PRINCIPAL.
I RESPECTED HIM. I HONOR HIM TODAY.
AND ALSO HONOR OTHER EDUCATORS THAT WERE A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WOODSON. I ATTENDED WOODSON ELEMENTARY.
I GRADUATED WOODSON HIGH SCHOOL. I DO BELIEVE THAT EVEN AS WE TALK ABOUT HONORARY, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE HONORARY, HERE WE ARE IN THIS CITY OF ABILENE, TEXAS, AND WE WOULD RATHER GIVE AN HONORARY TO DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING RATHER THAN DESIGNATE A BOULEVARD TO MARTIN LUTHER KING. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER IF ANY NAME CHANGES OR ANY CONSIDERATION, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN WANTING TO DO THAT PROCESS COME TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME CONTACT THERE.
AS A PROPERTY OWNER, COME TO ME. AND ORSILLO THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY TIMES I HAVE RECEIVED CALLS FROM OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE RELUCTANT TO COME.
THEN THEY ARE UP IN AGE, AND THEY CAN'T COME.
AS I STAND THIS MORNING, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO
OPPOSE THIS NAME CHANGE. >> THANK YOU.
I'M DR. JACKSON. I DISAGREE WITH THE PASTOR.
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THAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT A GPS.NOT YOURS. CONTACT THE COMPANY AND PUT IT IN THERE CORRECTLY. EVERY STREET WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT A SHORT STREET.
THE BOUNDARY IS TO NORTH EIGHTH STREET AND NORTH NINTH STREET FOR RAYMOND HAYDEN DRIVE. THAT IS THE NATURAL BOUNDARY.
THE STREETS WILL BE RENAMED FOR TEACHERS, COMMUNITY PLANNERS IN THE FUTURE. HE FORGETS ONE THING.
I DON'T SEE HIM WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY.
I HAD TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE PERSONALLY.
I HAD TO GET A PETITION SIGNED. I WISH YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE STREET NAME CHANGE. THANK YOU.
>> YES. >> WHAT IS THE MOTIVATING FORCE?
>> THE MOTE SAY RATE ISING FORCE IS, THE STREET SIGNS SHOULD BE USED AS LAND MARKERS. TO GET AROUND THE MARKERS, USE STREET SIGNS TO RECOGNIZE. IT CAN BE DONE.
WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. NOW, IF YOU HAD ASKED ME, I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM THE SAME THING.
ALL STREETS FROM NORTH SIXTH STREET TO... WILL BE RENAMED.
TO DR. WILLIAM BULLOW DRIVE. WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TIME THE STREETS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? YOU DO IT ONE WAY. YOU RECOGNIZE YOUR HISTORICAL PIONEERS AND PAST PIONEERS OF ABILENE HISTORY.
STREET SIGNS ARE THE BEST WAY TO RECOGNIZE THESE PAST PIONEERS.
I DON'T LIKE... I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED ME. I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM THE SAME THING. MT. ZION IS NOT THE OLDEST CHURCH. IT IS THE COLDEST CONGREGATION.
... THE OLDEST CONGREGATION. I WISH YOU GO AHEAD AND IGN IGNORE... JOIN US AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
NAME THE STREETS. >> MIND IF I ASK?
>> SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND... YOU KNOW, THERE IS A MOVEMENT TO DEVELOP THIS AREA. I'M NOT REALLY... I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT... WHO HAS THE LEADING EDGE OF THAT AND WHO IS
DRIVING THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT. >> AND SO FROM TREADWAY TO SOMEWHERE WEST OF THERE, WEST OF DOWNTOWN, AND FROM MAYBE SIXTH ALL THE WAY OUT TO 13TH OR WHEREVER, THAT AREA IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS THINGS MOVING AND HAPPENING IN THERE. I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A GROUP IN TOWN THAT IS KIND OF DRIVING THAT AND HAS A PLASTER PLAN FOR THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HAS PRESENTED SOME OF. THAT DO ANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW...
HAVE THEY PRESENTED THAT TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE? KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT AREA?
>> THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT, SIR.
>> WE REZONED SOME PROPERTY FOR SOME TOWNHOMES OR SOMETHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T REMEMBER... YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, TO ME, MAYBE, MAYBE... AND THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF THINK ON THE FLY HERE.
TO ME, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE PREMATURE.
THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING AND A MOVEMENT IN THIS WHOLE AREA THAT ALL OF IT SHOULD BLEND TOGETHER.
RATHER THAN JUST TAKING PIECES AND PARTS OUT OF IT.
>> WHERE DO YOU GET THESE PIECES AND PARTS? THE BOUNDARY, THE HIGH SCHOOL. THE LEGAL BOUNDARY.
I HAD THE PETITION SIGNED FOR. THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. ALL STREETS IN THE AREA... THEY CALL IT THE ENTERPRISE ZONE. DOWNTOWN HISTORICAL NEIGH NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT ME.
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I'M JUST SAYING, IF THEY LOOK AT LONG-RANGE PLANNING, ALL THE STREETS WILL BE CHANGED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.THEY HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION. I'M HERE TO SAY I HAVE DONE WHAT THE STATE ASKED ME TO DO. THE THRESHHOLD WAS 51%.
I HAVE MET THAT. I ASK YOU TO DO THE NAME CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY DON'T REPRESENT ME. I REPRESENT THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE. THAT IS OUR PLAN.
TO USE THE STREET SIGNS AS MARKERS TO RECOGNIZE HISTORICAL FIGURES IN HISTORY. THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE PRINCIPAL. MR. HAYDEN.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT WITH US. WHEN YOU WANT TO GET A SCHOOL OR SPORTS COMPLEX NAMED... I HAVEN'T SEEN THESE PEOPLE.
THEY SHOW UP TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I WISH YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST VOTE THE WAY... WE MET THE GUIDELINES, THE THRESHHOLD.
51%. FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THE NAME
CHANGE. >> I DO THINK... AND AGAIN, WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD. I DO THINK FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR EFFECTIVENESS, WOULD BE SHOWING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS OUR PLAN FOR THESE DIFFERENT STREETS.
BUT KIND OF... WHEN IT COMES AS ONE PIECE, I UNDERSTAND THE NATURAL BORDER. I'M SAYING THESE TWO STRIETS.
THEN TELLING THAT THERE WILL BE FUTURE STREETS.
I THINK THAT IS... FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF
THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW... >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING. >> WE ARE ONLY SEEING ONE PART
OF IT. >> IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO DO A STUDY. THEY BITCH AND COMPLAIN.
WHERE IS THE SUN IN WHO IS GOING TO VOLUNTEER THE TIME TO GO TO ALL HOMES AND VACANT LOTS? YOU SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHS THERE.
THESE PEOPLE PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN OUR LIVES.
THEY ARE RESPECTED BEYOND THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
YOU DO A DISSERVICE LISTENING TO TWO FOOLS WHO PRETEND TO BE HISTORIANS. THEY ARE NOT HISTORIANS.
THEY ARE TALKING FOR ATTENTION. I DON'T LIKE.
THAT I DID WHAT THEY ASKED ME TO DO.
FOR YOU TO VOTE ON. THAT IS ALL I CAN DO.
>> SO WE GOT... WE UNDERSTAND IT.
DR. JACKSON, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DR. JACKSON. >> ANYBODY ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THAT THERE IS TWO STREET NAME CHANGES HERE. RAYMOND AND ALLIE WARD.
WE ARE JUST ADDRESSING THE WARD NAME CHANGE.
THERE IS TWO HERE. THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY ARE NOT IN THE SAME. WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE... I READ THE STREET NAME CHANGE FOR NORTH NINTH ALLIE WARD.
THAT IS THE ONE WE ARE ADDRESSING CURRENTLY.
THEN WE WILL MOVE TO STREET NAME CHANGE 2302.
WE WILL ADDRESS ASH STREET TO RAYMOND HAYDEN.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THE ONE IN FRONT OF WOODSON.
>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> YOU MAY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
>> OKAY. YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH BOTH STREETS. OR JUST ONE STREET?
THANK YOU. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO AGAIN, WE ARE ADDRESSING NORTH NINTH STREET WHICH IS THE STREET IN FRONT OF WOODSON TO ALLIE DP P WARD. FURTHER DISCUSSION?
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> NO.
>> I PASSED... I HAVE BEEN PASTOR ON PLUM STREET FOR YEARS.
THE LONGEST SERVING PASTOR AT THAT CHURCH.
IF WE VOTED TODAY, I WOULD HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
I THINK FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING IN THE AREA AND FOLKS THAT ARE
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SERVING THE LORD IN THAT AREA FROM THE CHURCH STANDPOINT, I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM. I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TOI'M UNCERTAIN THE 51% THAT WAS REREINCED.
>> THERE WAS A RESOLUTION FOR AN HONORARY NAME CHANGE.
THAT HAS DIFFERENT CRITERIA. THAT MAY BE PART OF THE HONORARY NAME CHANGE WHICH IS A RESOLUTION.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE PROCEDURE WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THE PERCENTAGE APPLIES TO THAT.
IF I'M CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT, TIM?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> IF IT IS HONORARY, YOU HAVE
TO HAVE 51% OF THE PEOPLE. >> YES.
YOU HAVE TO GET A PETITION SIGNED BY 51% IN FAVOR.
FOR HONORARY. FOR PERMANENT, THERE IS NO PETITION REQUIRED. IT IS LIKE A ZONING CASE.
>> OKAY. >> SO WITH THAT, HE WAS SAYING HE DID GO AND GET THE PETITION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE THOUGHT
THAT HE WAS DOING. >> HE STARTED OFF LIKE AN HONORARY. THEN HE FINALLY CLARIFIED THAT HE WANTED IT PERMANENT. HE CLEARED IT UP WITH DR. JACKSON. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE SURVEY
ANYMORE. >> I WAS TELLING MITCH AS WE WERE WALKING IN, BUT I WOULD BE MORE APT FOR THE HONORARY WHERE THE STREET STILL REMAINED. THAT HAS BEEN OUR...
>> AND THEN ALSO TO ME, THIS IS AN ISSUE TO BE DECIDED BY COUNCIL. AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE VOTED ON. TO ANSWER TO THE VOTERS.
I'M FINE WITH PUSHING IT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE REVEREND.
MY VOTE TODAY WOULD PROBABLY BE TO DENY.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
THAT NONE OF US WERE VOTED ON TO BE HERE.
WE WERE APPOINTED TO BE HERE. AND A PERMANENT NAME CHANGE TO AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD IS A CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE. THEY MAY NEED TO BE ABLE TO...
THEY MAY NEED TO DIRECT AND SAY GO BACK.
THEY MAY HEAR THE CONVERSATION AND SAY WE SHOULD DO A STUDY.
THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT THEY CAN TAKE.
I WOULD... IF THE REVEREND IS MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD SECOND THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION TODAY.
AS WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
>> I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CALLS OPPOSED TO IT.
IF I'M IN A POSITION TO MAKE A MOTION, I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE
NEED TO DENY IT. >> BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION, THIS CAN STILL MOVE TO COUNCIL. THEY JUST HAVE TO PETITION FOR
IT TO MOVE TO COUNCIL. >> AGREED.
>> IF WE VOTE TO DENY, IT IS DEAD.
>> UNLESS THEY PETITION. >> WE CAN VOTE TO APPROVE AND SEND IT TO COUNCIL. THAT IS SAYING WE PUT OUR STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THE NAME OF A STREET.
>> I AGREE. >> YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS. IF IT IS CLINT ROSENBAUM STREET, IT SHOULD BE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THAT NAME.
AND SO JUST FOR THE ISSUES THAT THE REVEREND BROUGHT UP.
YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO... >> IF WE WERE TO DENY IT, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS DEAD. THEY CAN PETITION, AND IT WOULD
STILL GO BEFORE COUNCIL. >> OR THEY CAN GO BACK AND GET
THE 5 #% AND GET HONORARY. >> THAT WOULD START THE PROCESS
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE THAT IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
>> THERE IS ALREADY A MOTION AND SECOND ON.
THAT THAT FIRST MOTION AND SECOND HAS BEEN TO BE VOTED ON
DID WE HAVE A SECOND IN. >> I SAID I WOULD IF THERE WAS A
MOTION. >> LY SECOND TO DENY... WE ARE ONLY CONCERNING THE ALLIE WARD RIGHT NOW.
>> YES. >> DID HE... I WANT THE FIGURES.
THERE WAS A PERMIT FEE PAID. HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE CORRECT
STEPS AND PROCESSES. >> FOR THE NAME CHANGE.
START CITY ORDER HANG IN... FOR THE CITY ORDINANCE NAME CHANGE.
>> WE ARE COMMENTING ON THE NAME CHANGE.
HOW THAT SHOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT.
AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, HE PAID THE FEE AND IT WAS A CORRECT
PROCESS. >> HE FOLLWED THAT PROCESS.
>> HOW DO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT SHOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DO THIS AND HONOR WHAT HE HAD TO GO THROUGH?
>> I'M SAYING TO ME, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME OF A STREET, YOU NEED TO HAVE... YOU NEED TO HAVE A VERY... IF I WAS DOING THIS AND I WANTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF A STREET, I WOULD COME IN WITH A DEFINITIVE REASON. VERY HISTORIC, VERY... ALL DISCUSSESSED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WORKING TOWARDS THAT WITH A VERY SPECIFIC REASON.
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I THINK THAT THERE IS PROBABLY SOME NAME CHANGES THAT NEED TO GO ON IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA.AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA.
AND I AGREE WITH DR. JACKSON. IN THAT REGARD, THERE IS SOME NAME-CHANGING POTENTIALLY GOING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO CHANGE THESE STREETS.
IN THE CONCEPT OF HOW ALL THE OTHER PLACES ARE GOING TO CHANGE
AND BE DEVELOPED. >> IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE HAVE TO OPPOSE OR APPROVE THIS. WHEN WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF CASES... I MEAN, I HAVE NO TIES TO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS. IN OUR PACKET.
WE HAVE HAD OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS UPSET ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALL GONE BACK TO THE BOOK AND SAID, THEY FOLLOWED THE PROCESS. THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED
JUST LIKE THE... YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS.
>> WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A COMMUNITY EFFORT IN ANY OTHER CASE THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
>> WE HAVE HAD NAME CHANGES WHERE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION.
HERE THERE IS OPPOSITION. THERE IS MORE OPPOSITION PRESENTED HERE TODAY THAN PRESENTED FOR.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AGAIN, IF THEY ARE REALLY... WE VOTE ONE WAY UP OR DOWN, IT CAN STILL GO TO COUNCIL. IT IS A PROCESS.
THEY GO THROUGH THE APPEAL PROCESS.
THE OTHER WAY GOES DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION.
>> THE APPEAL PROCESS IS BASICALLY AN EMAIL TO ME, AND THEN IT WILL BE PUSHED FORWARD. IT IS REAL SIMPLE.
>> THERE IS NO EXTRA COST OR ANYTHING?
>> JUST AN APPEAL. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
BRAD, DID YOU SECOND? >> I DID.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY.
>> THE MOTION TO DENY CARRIES. >> WE HAVE STREET NAME CHANGE 202302. AGAIN, IT IS FOR CHANGING...
PERMANENTLY CHANGING THE STREET NAME OF ASH STREET TO RAYMOND HAYDEN DRIVE. AND I THINK WE HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION. I NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. WOULD THE GENTLEMAN LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE AGAIN? WE HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING, I BELIEVE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE VERY MUCH. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WE CAN HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION.
OR WE CAN HAVE A MOTION ON THIS STREET NAME CHANGE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT WE DENY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> THE MOTION TO DENY CARRIES. >> THAT IS EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR COMING.
I THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEW YEAR.
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