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>> THIS IS THE ABILENE LANDMARKS COMMISSION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE PRESENT THE COMMISSON MEETS THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION, IS SET FORTH IN THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1171 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDED COMMISSION.
FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.EPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND APPROVAL OR DENIAL BY THIS COMMISSION.
HER OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES AND LANDS, DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY, TO BE UNIQUE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL BOARD. WITH CULTURAL VALUE.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO READ THE
[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on December 20, 2022]
>> CHAIR, ONE CORRECTION. IT LISTS JOSH BLACK AS MOTION TO ADJOURN. I THINK IT WAS MR. SCOTT.
>> OKAY. >> THE HEAVY WAS ABSENT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND WITH THE CORRECTION?
>> SECOND. >> MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES BECAUSE, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.T IS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES? OKAY, NONE.
I HAVE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL FOR A VOTE.
[2. CA-2 023-01; Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from DODGCO, INC. for a Historic Certificate of Appropriateness to infill the recessed main entry, install new storefront, and complete structural repairs including the replacement of metal cladding above the storefront at 220 and 240 Cypress Street. Also included is the replacement of the front doors at 220 Cypress St.]
ES. >> THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS CA-2023-01. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM DODGCO, INC. FOR A HISTORIC CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INFILL THE RECESSED MAIN ENTRY, INSTALL NEW STOREFRONT, AND COMPLETE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT OF METAL CLADDING ABOVE THE STOREFRONT AT 220 AND 240 CYPRESS STREET. ALSO INCLUDED IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT DOORS AT 220 CYPRESS ST. STAFF, DO WE
HAVE A STAFF REPORT? >> MY NAME IS.
TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT CA-2023-01.
BEHALF OF DODGCO, INC.. THE APPLICANT IS JEFFREY BERNARD. TO INFILL REASSESSMENT ENTRY.
NEW STOREFRONT AND STRUCTURAL REPAIRS INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF THE METAL CLADDING ABOVE THE STOREFRONT AND ALSO INCLUDED IS REPLACEMENT OF FRONT DOORS AT 220 CYPRESS.
ADDRESSES 240 AND 220 CYPRESS.
THIS BUILDING IS A TWO-STORY, FIVE BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDING BUILT IN 1925. THE 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL STYLE WITH ART DECO INFLUENCES. THE PROPERTIES LISTED ON THE CITY OF ABILENE HISTORIC BUILDING DATABASE.
AS WELL AS ABILENE COMMERCIAL NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS ALSO RECOMMENDED ON THE ABILENE VISITOR CENTER HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN WALKING TOUR.
HERE WE HAVE, THE LOCATION MAP. AND AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP.
AND THEN, WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND IT ALSO IS IN THE EMPOWERMENT ZONE, THEN WE INCLUDED THE OTHER HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
HERE IS AN ORIGINAL PHOTO, OF THE -- BUILDING.
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AND HERE ARE THE CURRENT VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.IN THE MIDDLE, WE HAVE DOORS TO THE ART CENTER.
THOSE ARE WHAT WILL BE REPLACED, AND THEN, WE HAVE UNDER THE BLUE CANOPY, THAT IS THE METAL CLADDING TO BE REPLACED. THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THEY DID A LIVE RENDERING, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE UNITED WAY BUILDING, HOW THEY HAVE, THEY BROUGHT IN THE RECESS.
THERE STILL RECESSED ENTRY THERE.
THEY'RE JUST NOT MAKING AS BIG SO THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE THE SPACE. THAT IS THERE, AND THEN FOR THE CENTER OF THE CONTEMPORARY ARTS, THEY ARE CHANGING THE DOORS TO MATCH. HERE IS AN ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.DEMOLITION PLA. SO, THE RED DOTTED LINE IS THE EXISTING STOREFRONT. ALL OF THE HASHES ARE THE UNUSED, WITHIN THE BUILDING ARE THE UNUSED SPACE CURRENTLY.
AND THEY HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES WHICH IS BRING ON DEMOLITION.
FROM WHENEVER THEY, WHENEVER THE RECESS WAS MADE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. AND THEN HERE ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES. SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW CONFERENCE ROOM. THE LOBBY LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND STILL KEEPING A KIND OF TRAPEZOID RECESS TO MATCH THE CONTEMPORARY ART CENTER. THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE USED, THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING STAINLESS STEEL DOOR POLES. IN THE MATTE BLACK FASCIA FROM BEHIND THE AWNING AND STOREFRONT, WITH THE MATTE BLACK. AND THEN, WE INCLUDED THE VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. TO SHOW THE ORIGINAL VIEW, CURRENT VIEW AND THE PROPOSED VIEW.
>> THAT IS 220 CYPRESS? IS THAT RIGHT? THE CONTEMPORARY ARTS NOW NEXT DOOR?
>> NO, THE BUILDING IS 240. [INAUDIBLE] YES SIR. OKAY.
WE HAD EVERYTHING LISTED AS 240.
SO, THAT WAS HOW IT WAS DOCUMENTED FOR US.
>> WHAT WAS THE NUMBER OF THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER THAT USED TO BE THE TOBACCO SHOP.
IS IT 200? >> I THINK IT MIGHT BE 202.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE TOBACCO SHOP.
I HAVE LIVED A VERY LONG BUT ANOTHER CORNER ONE IS 202
CYPRESS. >> OKAY, THAT CURRENTLY HAS
WORKBEING DONE ON IT. >> YES SIR .
>> THAT IS NOT TIED IN? >> NO, SIR. THE PROJECT CONTRADICTS THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS, THE APPLICANT IS NOW FACING FROM THE PREVIOUS EXPANSION, STAFF BELIEVES THE INFILL WILL BE MORE VISUALLY APPEALING AND WILL BE CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL LOOK OF THE BUILDING. IF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS APPROVED, THE WORK SHALL COMMENCE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IF THE WORK IS NOT COMMENCED WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THE APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL EXPIRE.
THE APPLICANT MAY REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO THE EXPIRATION DEADLINE. PROVIDED COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR REQUEST FOR EXTENSION IS SUBMITTED AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE THE APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS EXPIRES.O
YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> EXPOSED REBAR THERE, IS IT SHOWING ANY SIGN OF DETERIORATION?
REBAR WITH RUST OR STAINS? >> I'M NOT SURE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. YOU CAN ASK THEM.
>> SO, THE ORIGINAL QUESTIONS IS 220.
>> OKAY. >> YOUR CENTER IS 240.
>> SO, THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW, THE CONTEMPORARY ART CENTER IS 220 AND THE UNITED WAY IS 240. WHATEVER WE WERE DOING ALL OF THE RESEARCH FOR THIS, GETTING THE PHOTOS AND EVERYTHING, WITHIN THE PHOTOS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD, IT WAS
SHOWING THAT AS 240. >> THIS PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE ARE
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LOOKING AT, THAT IS CURRENTLY THE CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS. UNITED WAY OF ABILENE IS JUST TO THE RIGHT. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THATCORRECT? >> I'M NOT SURE BUT SAID 200 PHOTO CURRENTLY THE LOCAL IS ALSO RIGHT OVER THERE.
NEXT TO THE UNITED WAY BUILDING.
I CAN LOOK AT THESE REAL QUICK AND SEE, OR IF YOU GUYS WANT TO
LOOK AT THEM. >> I BELIEVE THIS PHOTO IS 220.
>> SO THAT -- >> THE REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THE UNITED WAY RECONFIGURATION OF THE UNITED WAY ENTRY, WE LOOK AT A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR IN THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS.
>> WE HAVE A MUCH OLDER, WHEN DO YOU THINK THIS IS?
>> LATE 1930S.> AND SO, THERE IS A TOBACCO SHOP, THEN THERE IS -- THAT MAY BE THE CENTER.
>> THE SHOP, THAT WAS THE OLD --
>> GRESHAMS, DO YOU THINK THE UNITED WAY IS JUST ONE
STOREFRONT THERE? >> I COULDN'T TELL.
>> THAT'S HARD. >> THIS IS THE CENTER HERE.
>> IS AUDIENCE SEEING THE PHOTOGRAPHS ON OUR SCREEN?
>> YES. >> THIS IS A MORE MODERN STOREFRONT, THIS IS GRESHAM, THE SON IS ON THE SCREEN LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE 1960S FROM THAT FONT.
THIS IS MUCH OLDER. THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU ALSO, WE DON'T KNOW THEY MIGHT'VE MOVED ONE DOOR DOWN AT
SOME POINT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH, WE'RE LOOKING ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE. DOWN LOW, YOU WILL SEE THE CAST STONE BASE ON THE WALL. AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE FAR RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT -- ON THE UNITED WAY OF ABILENE.
>> YOU SAY YOU MEAN STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE STONE?
>> ON THE MASONRY VENEER. >> THE WHITE LOOKING STONE.
>> IT'S EITHER STONE OR CONCRETE.
THAT MATCHES THAT PILLAR ON THE HISTORIC PHOTO JUST TO THE RIGHT. FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE UNITED WAY OF ABILENE BUILDING IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PHOTO. WE ARE NOT REALLY, I GUESS THE POINT IS WE ARE NOT SEEING THE HISTORIC ENTRY THAT WE ARE
DISCUSSING TODAY. >> IS THIS GRISOMS? THAT'S IT THERE. THIS ONE HAD ALREADY BEEN CHECKED. IT'S APPEARING IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, BUT, IN THE 1930S, THE ONE TO THE FARTHEST RIGHT SIDE, MUST BE THE JEWELERS. AND IT HAD SIGNIFICANT -- TO BE CUT OUT. AND --
>> OF THE REFUND GIVE US ANY INDICATION OF EITHER FIRE RETARDANT WALLS OR LOADBEARING WALLS?
>> SO THERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH ON ABILENE VISITORS.COM.
THAT SHOWS THIS, THIS IS RIGHT HERE BEING DEMOLISHED.
NOT TOTALLY DEMOLISHED BUT BEING RENOVATED.
AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY. >> OKAY.
>> SENT AN EMAIL TO SEE IF I CAN GET PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN
BUT I NEVER DID HEAR ANYTHING. >> THERE WAS A FIRE IN THE 20S.
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>> I'M NOT SURE BUT I THINK THIS HERE WAS CONVERTED TO BE THE CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS.
THE OLDER PHOTO AND THE PHOTO THAT WE ARE REVIEWING UP HERE, STILL HAS THAT CANOPY ON THE UNITED WAY BUILDING, 240 CYPRESS. SO IT'S AN OLDER PHOTO THIS IS STILL SHOWING THE RECESSED ENTRY ON THE MUCH OLDER
PHOTOGRAPH. >> DID YOU ALL SEE THIS ONE?
>> LEFT THE CONWAY -- >> OKAY.
THIS WOULD'VE BEEN PRIOR, IT WOULD LATER BECOME BUSH.
>> IS STILL SHOWING. >> REGARDLESS, THE BILL IS NOT HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION.
IT'S ONLY A CONTRIBUTOR SO THE HISTORY OF THE FAC'ADE OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T PLACE MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
IF YOU STILL WANT TO MATCH WITH THE LOOK OF THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING THERE CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT AND HISTORY OF THE AREA.
SOMETHING I WILL NOTE, IS THAT I WENT BY AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE STOREFRONT YESTERDAY. AT THE UNITED WAY BUILDING OF 240 CYPRESS. IT IS VERY THIN COPPER FRAME STOREFRONT. THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING HERE, THE PHOTOGRAPH I REVIEWED ON THE ABILENE VISITORS.COM, ALL HAVE THAT REALLY THIN COPPER THAT IS THERE NOW. I'M VERY CONFIDENT IN, IN THAT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT.
I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS, MYSELF OR ANYONE THAT I'VE SEEN HERE TODAY BROUGHT BY OTHERS, THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION HAS BEEN THERE AS LONG AS ANYTHING IS BEEN THERE.
>> IT DOESN'T APPEAR ORIGINAL, BUT THE RECESS IS -- OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER STAFF, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT.
AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK ON CA-2023-01. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JESSE BERNARD, ARCHITECT FOR THE PARK HE LOCATED 340 BEACH STREET.
THIS IS AGENT ON THE APPLICATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING AS FAR AS THE HISTORY, HAVING DUG INTO THAT LITTLE BIT ATTEMPTING TO DOCUMENT SUBMITTAL.
AS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED WE BELIEVE 242 CYPRESS STREET WAS BUILT AS GRISSOM WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE 20S.
AND AT A LATER DATE, RELOCATED ACTUALLY INTO 220 AND 242 WAS THEN TAKEN OVER BY THE POPULAR DEPARTMENT STORE INSTEAD.
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE ODDITY OF WHICH BUILDING IS IN WHICH LOCATION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS AS IT WAS DESCRIBED IT WAS 220 CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS AND AS YOU DESCRIBED, THE PHOTO IS NOT CURRENTLY MATCHING WHAT IS EXISTING THERE.
I ALSO WONDER WHETHER IT'S TRULY MATCHING THE ORIGINAL RIDDLE BECAUSE A GRISSOM WAS ORIGINALLY LOCATED INTO 220 IS NOT TRULY THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE BUILDING EITHER.
THE STRUCTURAL PHOTO WE DEMONSTRATED IS NOT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF REMEDYING THE ISSUE.
IT IS ALSO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE FACILITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE OLDEST PHOTOGRAPH THAT WERE ABLE TO FIND ALSO EXHIBITS THE RECESSED ENTRY WITH THE STOREFRONT SHOWCASED SPACES.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL INVESTIGATION, WE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH THAT THE RECESSED ENTRY WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. WE DO NOT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE 1920S VERSION OF THE BUILDING BUT THERE ARE PHOTOS OF THAT
THIS ONE IS PRETTY OLD! >> YES, THIS IS PROBABLY OLDER THAN THE 50S PHOTOS I WAS LOOKING AT.
>> THOSE CARS ARE WAY OLDER. >> EXACTLY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT TIME RANGER WOULD'VE BEEN FROM?
>> LOOKING AT THE CARS, I WOULD SAY 35 TO 38.
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>> AND IN THIS PHOTO, GRISSOM SAID CURRENTLY LABELED AT 242.
THAT IS CONSIDERABLY CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL TIME PERIOD.
WITHOUT THE 1920S RANGE OF IMAGERY, IT IS DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL MODIFICATION AND BELIEVE IT IS AS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, IS A CONCRETE BEAM. WHICH IS WHY WE PHOTOGRAPH THE CONCRETE BEAM AND DUMPSTER THAT DOES CHISELED OUT CONCRETE ON THE REBAR. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON UNDER ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, TO CHISEL OUT THE CENTER OF THAT CONCRETE BEAM TO GET TO THE REBAR.
WE BELIEVE THAT RECESSED ENTRY WAS WHAT WAS DICTATING A DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEM COMPARED TO WHAT WAS EXISTING THERE ORIGINALLY. ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY, THE PROPOSED SOLUTION MAY NOT NECESSARILY MATCH THIS PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPHIC VERSION, STRUCTURALLY WITHOUT THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE 1920S TO INDICATE WHAT IT TRULY WAS AT THAT TIME PERIOD.HIS IS THE BEST EFFORT TO MAKE A STRUCTURALLY SAFE, SECURE AND USABLE ALSO PRESERVING AS MUCH AS WE CAN THE DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE. THE OTHER ADVANTAGE TO THE RECONSTRUCTION AND THE INFILL IS THAT CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED OR RATHER, ANNUALIZED SPACE THE SHOWCASED DISPLAY AREAS TOTALLY DEVOID OF LIFE AND HABITATION. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SOME BRANDED BANNERS IN THEM INSTEAD.
WHICH DETRACTS IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION FROM THIS BUILDING IS REALLY A DETRIMENT MOVING FORWARD PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS REALLY TO MAKE THEM USEFUL AND ENGAGED AND AS WE ENGAGE WITH THESE USEFUL BUILDINGS, WE TAKE CARE AND PRESERVE THEM OVER LONGEVITY. THIS IS REALLY A MOVEMENT FOR FUNCTIONAL ALSO PAY RESPECT TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT.
THE IDEA THAT WE CAN EXPAND THAT LOBBY SPACE CLOSER TO THE STREET FRONT MEANS WILL BE NOW A LIVE SPACE ON THE STREET FRONT. THERE WILL BE GREATER PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION WITH THE INHABITANTS OF THAT SPACE.
GREATER USEFULNESS ALSO GREATER PENETRATION OF NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE SPACE AND BETTER EFFICIENCY FROM AN ENERGY STANDPOINT. ON MULTIPLE LEVELS, THIS BUILDING IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY IN TERMS OF ITS PERFORMANCE AND USABILITY WITHIN THE CITY OF ABILENE, WHICH FROM OUR OPINION, IS ALSO BE A HUGE POSITIVE STEP AS FAR AS THE PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING.
IF THE WONDER IN A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT INTERVENTION SUCH AS THIS WHAT SORT OF IMPACT IT HAS TO THE FUNCTION, USABILITY AND MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING AND SO FORTH.
AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT, THE INTERVENTION IS TOUCHING VERY LIGHTLY WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.HILE ALSO INCREASING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE
FACILITY. >> AND GREG GET HERE FROM THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. Q, THAT DOES CLEAR UP A LOT IN MY MIND. YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US LOOK AT THIS AND SAY NO DOUBT, THE BUILDING IS MORE USEFUL WITH THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH.
I THINK YOU HAVE SOLVED IT FROM A FLOORPLAN STANDPOINT.
MY STRUGGLE, AS A HISTORIC RESERVATIONIST, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CHARGED WITH HERE, IS I THINK, THE RECESS IS BEEN THERE SO LONG THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT DOING WORK THAT HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING, IS BEST USE OF PRESERVING THAT. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS THERE. THERE IS SOME ORIGINAL TAN TILE ON THE CEILING. UP INSIDE WITH THE STRUCTURAL BEAM GOES. AND THEN, I CAN SEE THAT THOSE ORIGINAL TRANSIT WINDOWS ARE COVERED OVER.
ON BOTH SIDES. OF THOSE ELEMENTS GOING TO BE KIND OF LEFT IN PLACE AND PRESERVED AND LEFT ALONE? ARE YOU PLANNING TO DEMO ALL OF THAT IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF
THIS? >> THE CEILING TILE IN THE INTERIOR, THE CURRENT MEZZANINE SPACE, WHICH IS ANOTHER INDICATION THAT THE RECESSED ENTRY IS NOT TRULY ORIGINAL.
THERE IS A MEZZANINE WITH CEILING TILE ABOVE THAT.'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WOULD BUILD A MEZZANINE THAT IS ONLY FIVE FEET TALL INPUT PRESSED IN CEILING ON THAT IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE.AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CEILING TILE IS DAMAGED AND BECAUSE OF STRUCTURAL MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME, IT IS NOT FUNCTIONAL ENTIRELY, TO PRESERVE THAT EXTENSION OF CEILING TILE.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE PRESERVING AS MUCH OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE AND PATCHING AND REPLACING UTILIZING LEFT OVER CEILING TILE IN THE MEZZANINE SPACE FROM THE MAIN LOBBY AREA.
IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE TO REMOVE THOSE STEEL ELEMENTS IN ORDER TO RECONSTRUCT THAT CEILING FOR EXAMPLE.
>> I AM ENCROACHING LITTLE BIT ON INTERIOR SPACE.
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FAC'AD HERE.SO, IT'S A PERSONAL QUESTION ON THAT.
>> THERE IS 10 TILE IN THE EXTERIOR.
>> YEAH, I THINK -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DONE FAR MORE LOOK AT THE BUILDING THAT I HAVE. I GLANCED AT YESTERDAY BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE THE STRUCTURE.
>> WHAT ARE YOU CALLING 10 TILE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRESSED METAL?
>> YES IT'S A METAL CEILING. BUT I THINK PROBABLY AT ONE POINT, IT WAS MAYBE NOT AS DEEP AS IT IS NOW.
MAYBE MUCH LIKE CYPRESS STREET STATION, THE RESTAURANT.
WE YOUR CONDESCENDING RESTAURANT LOOKING AT THE FRONT, THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES THAT COME IN AND YOU SEE ALL THE WAY UP AND SEE THE CEILING. THE PHOTOGRAPH YOU PROVIDE US WITH THE BEAM, I SEE THAT 10 CROWN MOLDING ALONG THAT, THAT IS I BELIEVE, THAT IS THE STREET WALL, RIGHT?
>> I THINK, YES, THIS ONE E RIGHT HERE.
JUST BELOW THAT, YOU CAN SEE GOING INTO THE SITE OF THAT BEAM RIGHT THERE. THE ORIGINAL CROWN DETAIL.
THAT I THINK WAS VISIBLE, OBVIOUSLY, AT ONE TIME FROM THE FIRST FLOOR. AS HE MENTIONED, THE MEZZANINE IS WAY TOO SHALLOW. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUT THOSE BEAMS IN, OTHER THAN THE PSECOND FLOOR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WELL DONE TO START WITH AND THEY HAD TO REINFORCE IT.
THE THING I'M GETTING AT HERE I THINK, IS THAT, I DO THINK WE PROBABLY AT SOME POINT HAD A SHALLOWER ENTRYWAY IN THERE.
THAT IS HOW I RESOLVED IN MY MIND, THAT THIS IS NOT, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN SEE THE OLDEST PHOTOS THAT IT WENT WAY BACK IN THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ORIGINAL. I ALSO -- THE CLAY BLOCKS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS ON THE STOREFRONT DO NOT MATCH THE REST OF THE SIDING, THE MASONRY VENEER ON THE BUILDING.
I THINK THOSE WERE ADDED AT A LATER DATE AS WELL.
>> IS OUR OPINION AS WELL AND WE ARE MAINTAINING A RECESSED ENTRY THAT IS PROBABLY MUCH MORE SIMILAR IN SCALE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL WAS. EVEN THOUGH IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DETERMINE THE EXACT DIMENSIONS.
THE AMBITION IS TO MATCH THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORING CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS ACTUALLY SLOWS DOWN TIME ELEMENTS ARE
BELONGING TOGETHER VISUALLY. >> THANK YOU THAT RESOLVES MY
QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TOTAL RESTORATION, JUST TO SOME PERIOD THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISTRICT TO HAVE TO DECIDE IF THE WAY IS DRAWN WITH THE CONCEPTUAL ART OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THAT CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS DOWN TOWN
HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> ALSO, THANK YOU FOR REMOVING
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE QUESTION WHERE THE RENDERING SHOWS ALL THE STOREFRONTS?
>> ORIGINAL PHOTOS? >> NO, THE RENDERING OF WHAT
THEY ARE PROPOSING. >> THAT WAS IT.
>> BEFORE. >> THIS IS THE ARTIST RENDERING, THE GLASS PANELS. THAT GOING INTO TWO WAY?HEN YOU GO INTO THE FRONT DOORS, THE WAY IT IS NOW, THOSE DOORS CLOSE JUST LIKE YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE STREET.
JUST TOTALLY WALLED OFF FROM THE REST.
AND THIS WOULD BE, A LOT MORE LIFE.
I CAN SEE THAT. THE BEAM, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME. YOU ARE LOOKING UP AT THE BEAM.
THAT WAS DONE TO SUPPORT PART OF THE BUILDING AND MORE WILL
HAVE TO BE DONE TO SUPPORT. >> WE CANNOT DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF LOAD BEING PLACED ON THAT BEAM AND THE DEGREE OF COMPROMISE. WE ARE ESSENTIALLY PUTTING ALL NEW STEEL BEAM UP UNDERNEATH THE CONCRETE BEAM, TO REPLACE IT WITHOUT REMOVING THE CONCRETE BEAM.
WE BELIEVE THE ONLY REASON IT WAS CUT OUT WAS TO TIE IN WITH THE STEEL MEMBERS, THE SAME, UNNATURAL TO THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION METHOD WHICH WE CAN ALSO DETERMINE, THE WORK
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THAT THOSE LATER ADDED STEEL BEAMS ARE DOING EITHER.SO ESSENTIALLY, WE PUT A NEW STRUCTURE IN HERE WHILE MAINTAINING THE FAC'ADE, THE BEST WE CAN.OU NOTICE EVEN IN THE FLOOR PLAN, THEY ARE TWO ROUND COLUMNS AT EACH LOCATION.
BECAUSE THERE'S ONE ROUND, EXISTING ON EITHER SIDE AND WE ARE HAVING TO GO IN WITH AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN TO SUPPORT THE NEW STEEL BEAM. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WANTED TO RELY ON WHAT MAY BE INSUFFICIENT, GIVEN WHATEVER COULD HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER TIME.
>> WE TALKED FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS?
>> THE EXACT SAME PLACE.>> OKAY.
>> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN DEPTH FOR THE CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ART AND UNITED WAY?
FROM PROPERTY LINE TO DOOR? >> THE CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARTS I BELIEVE, IS AROUND FOUR FEET.
I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED FOR UNITED WAY, HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE DRAWINGS. I CAN PULL THEM UP.
SLIGHTLY BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY. I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE
PLAN. >> IS THAT THE NEW DRAWING?
>> IS PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR FEET. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE PARTICULAR ANGLE OF THAT RETURN, IF YOU WILL.
PROBABLY WITHIN FIVE OR SIX INCHES OF BEING THE SAME.
>> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? OKAY, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION?
>> IS GOING TO HAVE A BETTER FLOW TO IT.
IT'S OBVIOUS IT WILL REQUOTE THE CITIES PLAN TO MAKE ALL OF THE STREET MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A REAL CONCISE VIEW OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN IT MOVED. WITH --
>> PAPER THE PHOTO BACK UP, PLEASE?
VERY SIMILAR, BASED ON THE UNITED WAY, WHAT WAS
ORIGINALLY. >> CAN WE PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP? THE ENTIRE STOREFRONT? THE ARTIST RENDERINGS. RIGHT THERE, OKAY.
JUST A QUICK COMPARISON. >> THE CENTER HAS ALREADY BEEN
CHANGED A LOT. >> THE CENTER HAS BRICK GOING BACK INTO THE DOORS, I THINK IT WAS GLASS, AT ONE TIME.
I THINK THAT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO HAVE SOME NICE DOORS ACTUALLY WILL WORK. THE CENTER DOORS ARE ALWAYS
HANGING UP AND -- >> AND NOT THERE IS ANY QUESTION, WOODEN DOORS AND ORIGINAL THAT ARE THERE NOW.
>> YEAH. >> IS ALWAYS BEEN A FRONT.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I BELIEVE PARKHILL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF RESOLVING CONFLICT AND THESE STOREFRONTS IN A WAY THAT I THINK CELEBRATES THE BUILDING WITHOUT REALLY DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT WAS NECESSARILY ORIGINAL.
CERTAINLY BELIEVE, BRINGING THAT OUT AND UTILIZING THAT SPACE, AS AN INTERIOR SPACE, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, JUST FROM
THE STANDPOINT. >> THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES TOO, WITH THE BEAMS. THE COLUMNS.
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>> SO, THE -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT.
THE LITTLE METAL PIECES THAT GO ACROSS THE BRICK LAYER, WHAT HELD ORIGINAL AWNINGS. BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL AWNINGS WERE FLAT. AND GET IT OUT STRAIGHT OVER AND I GUESS, THE AWNINGS NOW, COVER, COVER SOME -- A SET OF
WINDOWS. >> THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE.
I CAN THINK YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH.
>> THERE STILL UNDER -- >> THERE STILL UNDER THERE.
HERE BEHIND THE METAL PANEL. THIS CANOPY IS JUST A STANDARD CANOPY. AN ALUMINUM FRAME STRUCTURE PRUDENT TO THE BRACKETS ON THE WALL ABOVE THE CANOPY.
THAT WAS WHERE THE RODS THAT SUPPORTED THAT ORIGINAL CANOPY
WORK. >> I WISH WE HAD THE ORIGINAL CANOPIES. THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE -- UNITED WAY. THERE HAS BEEN REPLACED, --
>> YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL US.
IT LOOKS TO BE COVERED ON BOTH SIDES.
>> WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN THE 60S.
>> WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE AT WHAT POINT IN TIME THE METAL CLADDING UP THERE WAS ERECTED. BUT WE CAN TELL FROM THE INSIDE OF THE MEZZANINE THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE STILL THERE. ALTHOUGH NOT NECESSARILY IN THE BEST OF CONDITION. SO, THE PLAN IS NOT TO DO ANY EXTRA BEYOND REPLACE THE METAL PANEL AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY.
>> WILL YOU BE LEAVING THOSE ORIGINALS IN PLACE THEN?ND JUST BE COVERING THEM AGAIN WITH METAL?
WHATEVER IS BEHIND THE METAL? >> THAT WILL DEPEND ON AND DEMOLITION, TO SEE WHAT IS THERE.
AND WHAT KIND OF SHAPE THEY ARE IN, I SUPPOSE.
IF THEY'RE IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO REMAIN.
THEN THEY COULD REMAIN. >> YOU'VE GOT ENERGY CODE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONE REQUEST IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
IF THEY ARE THERE, PLEASE LEAVE THEM AS A RECORD OF WHAT WAS THERE. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING -- CHRIS MAY BE OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE STARTING WITH
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE CA-2023-01.
>> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
[3. HOZ-2023-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from Third and Pine, LP to Add Historic Overlay to a commercial building within Original Town Abilene located at 302 Pine Street]
>> NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS HOZ-2023-01.
>> THE CITY OF ABILENE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
TODAY WE LOOK AT CASE HOZ-2023-01.
THE OWNER IS THIRD AND PINE, LP OWNERS TIM GRAVES AND REQUEST IS TO ADD THE HISTORIC OVERLAY TO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WITH AN ORIGINAL TOWN ABILENE. THE ADDRESS IS 302 PINE STREET.
THE BUILDING IS A THREE-STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING, BUILT IN DOWNTOWN ABILENE IN 1932. IT WAS BUILT BY LOCAL ENTREPRENEUR, JAMES RADFORD, TO ACCOMMODATE A GRANT COMPANY STORE. IT FEATURES A DECORATIVE LIMESTONE SIDE PANEL WITH THE GRANT BUILDING, TOPPED BY A CAST STONE -- A PERMIT WAS ISSUED ON FEBRUARY 1, 2021 AND COMPLETED, COMPLETED ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 FOR RENOVATION OF OFFICE SPACES AS WELL AS SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF PROPERTIES, AS OF DECEMBER 2020, WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. HERE IS A LOCATION MAP.
AND THEN, HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP.
WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP. IT IS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND WE ALSO DID HISTORICAL OVERLAY FOR ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THEN, HERE WE HAVE SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. DID YOU ALL WANT TO LOOK
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LONGER? I KNOW WE LEFT THAT OUT.OKAY. THE BUILDING IS SIGNIFICANT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FOR ARCHITECTURE AS A LARGELY INTACT EXAMPLE OF AN EARLY 20TH CENTURY TO PART COMMERCIAL, BLOCK MASONRY BUILDING AS WELL AS IT IS AN INTACT EXAMPLE OF THE AMERICAN MOVEMENT COMMERCIAL STYLE.
JAMES M RADFORD, BUILT MORE THAN 40 BRICK BUILDINGS IN ABILENE INCLUDING THE DRAKE HOTEL IN GRACE HOTEL.
HE SERVED AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ABILENE COTTON OIL COMPANY. AND OWNS SEVERAL CATTLE RANCHES AROUND TEXAS. RADFORD PEERED UP AT THE LOCAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM, COLE AND CAMPBELL FOR THE WAR.
COLIN CAMPBELL DESIGNED NUMEROUS BUILDINGS IN ABILENE AND SURROUNDING WEST TEXAS. FOR THE LATE 1920S TO LATE 1950S. IN ADDITION TO THE GRANT BUILDING, THE FIRM DESIGNED SEVERAL OTHER BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN ABILENE INCLUDING THE WALDRUP BUILDING, CAPITOL MOTOR COMPANY BUILDING AND RADFORD BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURES?> YES MA'AM.
>> THE NEWEST ONES? >> KEEP IT ON THERE FOR JUST A MINUTE. OKAY.
AND NOW THIS. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INDIVIDUAL HISTORICAL OVERLAY. NOT PART OF THE DOWNTOWN
INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC OVERLAY. >> OKAY.
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS ALREADY ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. WHAT'S WANTED IS HISTORIC
OVERLAY. >> WITH THE CITY, YES.
>> OKAY. >> BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW AND I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE CONTINGENCIES OF THAT MAYBE IS THE HISTORIC OVERLAY WITH THE CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF MEETING, THANK YOU. AND WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME, AND ADDRESS,
PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS TIM GRAVES, PRINCIPAL THIRD AND PINE. AND 302 PINE STREET IS OUR OFFICE. THE DEVELOPER OF THE ENTITY HERE, THIS PROJECT. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WELL, WE WENT THROUGH AND GOT THE DISTRICT EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THE BUILDING. AND I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT BUT I GUESS NOT. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.
AND SO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE APPROVED TO PUT ON THE REGISTER. WENT TO THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO DO THE RENOVATIONS.
THEY PROVE THE RENOVATION AND WHAT WE DID AND HOW WE DID IT.
AND SO, THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE AT.
HAD TO APPROVE ALL THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING.
>> IF YOU, IF WE PROVE IT, DO YOU WANT TO PUT ONE OF THE PLAQUES THAT SAYS, IT IS AN ABILENE LANDMARK ON IT?
>> OKAY, SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO.
SOME PEOPLE PUT THEM ON. YOU CAN TALK TO MASON ABOUT
ORDERING THAT. >> THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DID IT. WE WANTED SOMETHING THIS HAPPENED TO BE ACROSS THE STREET IT JUST TOOK FOUR YEARS.
WE HAD TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS. WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS
PROCESS, THAT'S OUR FAULT. >> IT IS BEAUTIFULLY DONE.
>> LIKE ASSAD, THE ARCHITECT DID A GOOD JOB.
THEY HAD US DO SOME THINGS, ESPECIALLY -- TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE -- [INAUDIBLE] I WILL JUST SAY THIS.
TEXAS APPROVED THE PROJECT THEY FINALIZED IT.
IT IS NOW AT THE HANDS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR THE PROGRAM. WE SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL --
>> GREAT. >> ,HISTORIC PHOTOS DID YOU
WITH THE SAME IN THE APPLICATION.
>> THE ONE THAT STEVE HAS? IT'S A REALLY PRETTY PICTURE.
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>> I TRIED TO DO THINGS BECAUSE IT WAS HISTORIC.
>> THE BUILDING HAD QUITE A FEW CHANGES.
ALL OF THE ARCHITECTS AT THE END ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CHANGES. THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THIS AND THE CONSULTING FIRM IS ABLE TO HELP STEER YOU TOWARD, THE STATE WAS BEHIND BUT THEY OFTEN FORGET THE CITY PLAYS A LITTLE PART IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. WHAT IT DOES FOR GRANTS THAT
ARE AVAILABLE. >> ANYWAY, WE DID ALL OF THAT.
ONLY THING LEFT OF THE BUILDING WILL NOT HOLD IT WERE STAIRWELLS AND THAT WAS IT. WE LEFT THOSE AND HAD TO BRING THEM UP TO CODE. WE WILL GIVE YOU A TOUR ANYTIME
YOU WANT. >> EVEN FOUND A HIDDEN
THEY CALLED IT THE SECRET STAIRS.
>> WOW! CRAZY.> IMAGINED IT BEING PART OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
BUT THE REQUEST IS FOR INDIVIDUAL.
>> I JUST KNOW WE WILL BE HIRING A CONSULTANT TO GET TO THE NATIONAL SIDE. UNDERSTANDING COMMON EXPANDED THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT TO INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE EDGE OF IT. I THOUGHT THAT WENT TO THE
CITY. >> SOMETHING WE HAVE TO RESEARCH BECAUSE TYPICALLY, WE MAKE THE REQUEST AND THEN THE STATE APPROVES IT. LOOKING FOR THAT.
>> WE DON'T KNOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
THIS. >> SOMEBODY PROVED IT ALONG THE
WAY. >> WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO GIVE YOU THE HISTORIC OVERLAY. THAT WILL HELP YOU IN YOUR
PROCESS. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE BUILDING.
THE STAIRWELLS, DID YOU HAVE TO GET A ZONING WAIVER ON THE
STAIRWELLS? >> WHAT THEY DID WAS, THE HANDRAILS WERE WAY TOO LOW. WE HAD PUT GLASS PANELS IN AND RAISED THE HANDRAILS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST PART.
I'M SURE I THINK SOME OF THE, THINK ONE OF THE STAIRWELLS FOR THE FIRST WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR THINK THEY GOT A ZONING OVERLAY BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, IT WAS ORIGINAL STANDS.
THE SECRET STAIRS THAT WE FOUND WERE ABOVE THAT.
WE HAD TO REDO THEM. >> IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR US, --
>> DID YOU TAKE PICTURES OF THE SECRET STAIRWAYS? BEFORE YOU REDID IT? WE WANT TO SEE PICTURES.
>> EVEN FOUND AN OLD SIGN FOR A 1930S RADIO ADVERTISEMENT, 15 BY 15 ON THE ADJOINING I GUESS, COMMON WALL.
WE TOOK LOTS OF PICTURES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION? BEAUTIFUL. DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> MICHAEL MADE THE MOTION. WHO WANTS TO TAKE SECOND?
>> I WILL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> AND I THINK WITH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, SO THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.