Apr 25, 2023 Landmarks Commission

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LIKE AERIAL VIEWS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SEND US.

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WHAT WE NEED FOR THE APPLICATION.

YEAH. SO THEY STILL GO THERE FOR IF WE EVER NEED THEM.

DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE PHOTOS AT A CERTAIN TIME TO USE THEM?

[1. Discussion: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on The Land Development Code as it Pertains to Historic Preservation]

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DONE ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING.

OKAY. WELL, HOW ABOUT IF WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A PROPOSAL AND YOU JUST SEND ME THAT ADDRESS AND THE PRESERVATION LEAGUE MAY HAVE A BUNCH OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT MIGHT LEND THEMSELVES TO SEEING WHAT A BUILDING LOOKED LIKE BACK IN THE HEYDAY.

BUT SINCE I'M WITH THE TAYLOR COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ACCESS TO A BUNCH OF IMAGES.

AND THAT'S WHY I EMAILED THAT ONE TO YOU BEFORE AND I JUST COPIED ANOTHER MAP THAT WAS.

AN AERIAL VIEW OF ABILENE.

THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT SIX FEET LONG.

AND IT'S VERY DETAILED.

AND SO YOU CAN CROP OUT THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEN EMAIL THOSE.

AND SO I'LL NEED TO GET THEM TO YOU A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING.

YEAH. THIS EARLIER.

YES. OH, YEAH.

BUT AT LEAST BY THEN, THAT'D BE MY CUT OFF DATE.

YEAH. IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE DOES WORK WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES.

AND THEN. REALIZES THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROPER PROCEDURES.

THEY WANT TO COME THROUGH AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DONE.

IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR PROJECT TAX REDUCTION.

IS THAT IS THAT A PATHWAY THEY HAVE AN OPTION ON OR IS IT DOES EVERYTHING NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER AND APPROPRIATELY BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OKAY.

IF THEY. PROJECT.

THEY CAN DO THAT.

BUT ONLY.

MHM. THAT EVEN APPLIES TO ME.

WE ACTUALLY DID SOME WORK.

AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D PROBABLY BRING UP RECEIPTS AND I'M BAD.

NO TAX REDUCTIONS.

SO. YEAH.

YEAH. DID Y'ALL KNOW THAT? NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

OKAY, THEY. I HAD NEVER HEARD THIS.

TELL THEM, MASON.

TELL THEM ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ANOTHER THING.

I WAS LIKE, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A MEETING AND YOU'VE GOT TO TELL US ABOUT ALL THIS.

SO LAST MONTH, WE WERE.

BUT WHENEVER WE WERE.

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THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF CANCELED.

POSTPONE IT, BUT THEY DO REQUIRE A NOTICE.

THAT WAS. HEY, JOEL.

EVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE? WE HAVE IT WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION, BUT IT'S ONLY A FIVE DAY NOTICE.

THEY HAVE NEVER MENTIONED THAT EVER, THAT I WAS ON LANDMARKS COMMISSION, THAT A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OF TIMING.

WE HAD TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER.

YEAH. AND I'M CURIOUS. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW NOBODY BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

AND I'M CURIOUS. I'VE PROBABLY READ THAT.

BUT TELL ME, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

IS THAT A REQUIREMENT WITH THE STATE WHEN WE FORMED A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT? I'M NOT SURE THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND OR IS THAT INTERNAL? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM, THAT THE STATE SAYS IF YOU WANT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR CERTAIN STATE MONIES, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES FOR NOTIFICATION.

SO IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA PACKET THAT YOU ALL HAVE, IT'S SECTION 30, DASH 41, THE HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION IF YOU GO TO. LET'S SEE.

WHAT IS THIS? THE NUMBER TWO APPLICATION AND APPROVAL PROCESS.

PART E! NUMBER ONE.

IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO REQUIRE A PUBLIC NOTICE.

AND THEN IT SAID SAID NOTICE SHALL BE POSTED AT CITY HALL AND PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER AS REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO THAT'S PER STATE STATUTE.

THEY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP, THOUGH, EVER IN LANDMARKS COMMISSION THAT I'VE EVER BEEN IN A MEETING ALL THESE YEARS.

28 YEARS. BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

27. 27.

I'M SORRY. 28 WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT, BUT I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT WAS 27.

MELISSA WENT AND LOOKED UP THE DATE FOR ME AND I WAS LIKE, HOLY SMOKES.

GOOD NIGHT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

MASON ONE THING I WANT YOU THAT I GET ASKED IN THE PUBLIC A LOT AND I WANT YOU TO GO OVER WITH US IS, UM. AND THEY TOLD US A LONG TIME AGO THAT THIS WAS THE CASE.

BUT I WANT TO KNOW NOW.

SO INTERIOR WORK DOES NOT COUNT.

PEOPLE CAN DO PRETTY MUCH ANY ANY KIND OF DECORATING OR RENOVATIONS ON THE INTERIOR.

BUT FOR TAX PROJECT CREDITS IN THE PAST WE HAVE GIVEN THEM FOR THINGS DEEMED STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.

SO IS THAT, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS THINGS LIKE REWIRING, I THINK REWIRING, UM, THINGS LIKE PLUMBING PIPES ON THE INSIDE, NOT LIKE FIXTURES OR ANYTHING, BUT LITERALLY LIKE PLUMBING PIPES UNDER THE HOUSE.

IF YOU HAD TO REDO SUPPORT BEAMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSIDE THE HOUSE THAT HAD TO DO OR THE BUILDING THAT HAD TO DO WITH STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, THOSE COULD BE IF YOU HAD TO WORK ON THOSE, THOSE COULD ALSO QUALIFY AS A TAX PROJECT. CREDIT.

YES. SO AGAIN, ON SECTION 30, DASH 41 FOR THE PROJECT TAX REDUCTION UNDER THE GENERAL PROVISIONS.

NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT SEE, IT DOES SAY THAT IT INCLUDES INTERIOR LIMITED TO THE FRAME AS WELL AS PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL ITEMS. OKAY.

SO ALL OF THAT IS STILL MECHANICAL.

WOULD THAT BE LIKE HVAC, YOU THINK, OR WHAT? YES, MA'AM. AND IT'S DEFINED IN PARENTHESES AS HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.

OKAY. WOW.

OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WOULD INCLUDE THAT.

AND THAT'S SPEAKING TO THINGS THAT ARE ON THE ADJACENT WALL OR THE SECTION THAT'S TO BE IMPROVED OR THROUGHOUT.

SO IN THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO REDO THE HVAC ON THE HOUSE, IT INCLUDES LIKE ALL THE ATTIC, ALL THE INSIDE PERTAINING TO THE AC AND THE HEATER OR THE HVAC.

WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE HEATING UNIT ITSELF OR JUST THE DUCTWORK? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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SO AND I NOW I DID.

I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ANY HVAC.

YEAH. UH, IT REFERS TO.

MECHANICAL ITEMS. YEAH, BECAUSE IN HERE IT JUST SAYS HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.

SO, I MEAN, WE ALMOST I MEAN, THERE'S WHAT ALL MECHANICAL ITEMS ARE THERE EVEN IN A IN A HOUSE.

BESIDES HVAC.

WELL, IT DOES PUT IT PARENTHESES AFTER THAT.

HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.

OKAY. SO I AM ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE EVEN.

EVEN THE HEATING AND.

WOW. OKAY.

MM. THAT'S INTERESTING.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER.

ANY OTHER THINK OF HARD QUESTIONS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HARD.

WELL, IT'S MORE WHEN A PROJECT IS SKIRTING THAT LINE, WHEN IT'S NOT FOLLOWING DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS OR YOU'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THEM FROM EVER GETTING TO THE FLOOR, OR IF IT'S PRESENTED, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT IT AS IT'S.

AS IT'S WRITTEN BY THE WHOEVER REQUESTS IT.

SO DO YOU HAVE A LINE OF DEFENSE THERE? SO IF YOU THINK IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WITHIN THE THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE WHERE YOU'VE HAD TO OR THIS YOUR OFFICE HAS HAD TO SAY, WELL, THIS DOESN'T FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.

THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT CONSISTENT WITH AND WE TRY TO GIVE EXAMPLES AND IT'S UP TO US TO HAVE A SPLIT VOTE AND TO DECIDE ON IT.

SO. WHENEVER THEY TURN IN THEIR APPLICATION, WE ASK THEM PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.

AND THIS IS PERTAINING TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, RIGHT, I ASSUME.

OKAY. SO WE WOULD ASK FOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN WHENEVER WE DO THE STAFF REPORT TO YOU, WE WOULD KIND OF ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT IT FALLS WITHIN THAT OR IF IT DOESN'T OR IF IT'S QUESTIONABLE.

QUESTIONABLE LIKE THAT UNITED WAY ONE.

NOT THAT I WAS THINKING OF THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, NO, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT QUESTIONABLE.

SO WE KIND OF PUT OUR QUESTION OUT THERE THAT, YES, WE'RE NOT IT MIGHT BE, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE.

AND THEN THAT WAS FOR YOU ALL TO DECIDE.

OKAY. GET NINE MINUTES TILL THE REGULAR MEETING STARTS. THE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO KNOW.

HER FAVORITE COLOR. I'LL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THE PLAQUE THAT MASON WAS TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT WAS BETWEEN KIND OF ME AND HER.

THE SWENSEN HOUSE IS PUTTING A TINY THEY'RE PUTTING A SCREEN DOOR BACK ON THE HOUSE AND THAT IS THE HISTORIC SCREEN DOOR.

BUT IT HAD BEEN TAKEN OFF FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE HAD IT ALL.

I'M ON THAT BOARD.

WE'VE HAD IT.

RESTORED THE SCREEN DOOR AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING SIGNAGE ON THAT SCREEN DOOR.

THAT'S A LITTLE MEMORIAL TO JOANNE WILSON, WHO WAS ON MANY NONPROFIT BOARDS.

AND SO TO ME, THAT IS LIKE SIGNAGE THAT HAS NEVER EXISTED ON THE SWENSEN HOUSE.

BUT MASON SAID THAT THAT DID NOT FALL UNDER SIGNAGE.

SO THAT'S WHAT SHE AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S NOT THE PLAQUES THAT GO ON THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING WHEN YOU GET HISTORIC OVERLAY.

IT WAS A MEMORIAL PLAQUE.

IT'S IT'S CONSIDERED MORE DECORATIVE.

THE WAY THAT THAT WE ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE WAS IF ANY OTHER BUILDING IN TOWN WANTED TO PUT A PLAQUE UP.

WE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT.

AND ONE OF THE.

THE WAYS TO REVIEW A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT FROM THE CITY.

AND WE UNDERSTOOD WHERE PEBBLES WAS COMING FROM AS FAR AS NEW SIGNAGE.

BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR A PLAQUE AND BECAUSE IT WAS SMALL AND.

IT WASN'T. TACKY.

WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY.

ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAQUE LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH, WELL, I CALLED WHOEVER THE APPLICANT WAS, AND SHE SAID IT WOULD BE LIKE THIS AND HAVE ALL THIS.

AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY.

BECAUSE WE MADE SURE BEFORE WE SIGNED OFF ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I INTERPRETED IT JUST AS ANY CHANGE TO A HOUSE THAT HAS HOA ZONING.

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AND THEY DID.

THE BOARD, THE SWENSON HOUSE BOARD DID MAKE AN APPLICATION, BUT THEY SAID WE DIDN'T NEED ONE.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE PLOT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S NOT THE HOA ZONING PLAQUES OR ANYTHING.

YEAH. AND THEN WE DID SAY IF YOU IF YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WANTED TO GO THROUGH WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, YOU COULD SO.

AND WE DIDN'T NEED IT FOR THE SCREEN DOOR BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DOOR THAT WAS ON THE HOUSE.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.

Y'ALL GET ASKED STRANGE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER IN THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S MOSTLY REALTORS AND WE HAVE TO STEER THEM TOWARDS THIS IS A GOOD THING YOU WANT.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK TO TO PLANNING, ZONING TO GET THIS PROCESS STARTED.

THIS ISN'T GOING TO LIMIT YOU.

IT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU BENEFIT.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF EASY.

SO SO KEEP ANSWERING YOUR PHONES.

THEY ARE VERY THEY ARE VERY WARY.

THE MILITARY COMMUNITY.

YEAH. LET'S THINK ABOUT THE WEIRDEST CASE THAT WE HAD.

ONE TIME WAS THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

NOTHING TO PRESENT REALLY, EXCEPT IT WAS ON A LAPTOP.

AND SO WE WERE PASSING THAT AROUND AND GETTING WARNED THAT THE BATTERY WAS RUNNING LOW AND SO WE HAD TO PASS IT FAST AND LOOK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PRINTED OUT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE.

THAT'S FUNNY. I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING.

I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

WE PROBABLY TOLD THEM THAT THEY NEEDED TO EMAIL THAT TO US SO WE'D HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD, SINCE YOU SAW IT AT THE MEETING, I'M SURE.

PROBABLY. AND WAS THAT STAY? I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW FAR BACK IT WAS 27 YEARS AGO.

YEAH, THAT DOES BRING UP.

IN A RECENT APPLICATION WE HAD YOU WERE YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO BRING SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE.

UM, PROPERTY ON CYPRUS AND WE KIND OF PASSED THOSE AROUND UP HERE AND REVIEWED THOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

SHE DID PUT IT IN THE FILE AT THE END.

OKAY, GOOD. YOU DID? YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE WEREN'T BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION UNTIL THIS THAT MEETING WHEN WE WERE UP HERE.

IF I COME ACROSS SOMETHING AFTER THE IF IT'S WITHIN THAT ONE WEEK CUT OFF, I CAN STILL BRING THEM IN AND WE CAN PASS THEM AROUND.

AS LONG AS THEY GO IN THE FOLDER.

IF YOU BRING COPIES, WE CAN PUT THEM IN THE FOLDER.

YES. YES.

AS FAR AS PASSING THEM AROUND, IS THAT OKAY? AS LONG AS YOU KNOW EVERYBODY, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE CONSIDERING AT A MEETING, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SEE THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR FILE. IS THAT A TOOL, SOME KIND OF A LIKE A MODERN DAY OVERHEAD PROJECTOR WHERE YOU CAN JUST SLIDE IT ONTO THE TABLE AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING, ACTUALLY.

MASON. SO IN LIKE ACRES CLASSROOMS, THERE IS A LITTLE PLATFORM WITH A CAMERA AND ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT THE STUDENTS TO SEE ON THE BIG SCREENS, YOU JUST SET IT DOWN THERE AND THEN IT WOULD BE RECORDED.

UM, IN THE PRESENTATION.

THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE COST.

JUST A WEBCAM.

YEAH, IT IS.

THEY MIGHT WANT TO DISCOURAGE US FROM THROWING THOSE CURVE BALLS AT THE END, THOUGH.

THAT'S TRUE. BUT THAT DOES EXIST.

THEY USED TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER TO.

TO, YOU KNOW, SEND IT TO MASON, GET IT IN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DIGITIZED.

SO SHE'S BEING VERY OFFICIAL.

WE'RE STILL LIVE IN THE AGE OF OVERHEAD PROJECTORS.

THEY'LL PROBABLY JUST SHAKE THAT FILE TO ME, YOU KNOW? EXACTLY. SHE'S READING THAT CODE BETTER THAN HER PREDECESSORS BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT HAVING TO GO IN THE NEWSPAPER BEFORE.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ALL OF US.

OKAY. SO I COULD JUST EMAIL YOU PHOTOGRAPHS AT ANY POINT.

AND IF THEY'RE PAST THAT DATE WHERE WE CAN'T.

UM, THE US PASSED THAT ONE WEEK CUT OFF, BUT YOU COULD STILL USE THEM AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKET AND THERE'D BE DIGITIZED ALREADY.

SO THAT THAT WEEK IS WHENEVER WE WOULD INCLUDE IT IN THE PACKET TO EVERYBODY.

SO IF IT'S AFTER THAT WEEK THEN NO, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEND THEM TO ME AND I CAN STILL PUT THEM IN A FILE, JUST MOST LIKELY NOT THE ONE THAT YOU ALL WOULD SEE.

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YEP. BUT I COULD STILL BRING, LIKE, PRINTS IN.

AND WE CAN PASS THEM AROUND, THOUGH, DURING THE MEETING.

YES. OKAY.

YEAH. SO I'LL KEEP DOING THAT.

OKAY. I GUESS.

ETHICALLY, THERE WOULD BE A CHALLENGE TO HIM EMAILING US THOSE FILES OUTSIDE OF THE RECORD.

YES, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO THAT WOULD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. GET US ALL IN TROUBLE.

YEAH, I WAS JUST ABOUT EMAILING JUST YOU ONLY YOU KNOW THOSE PICTURES, BUT IF THE PRINTS WILL GET IT, GET THEM USED DURING THE MEETING, I'LL JUST BRING PRINTS. IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BEFORE SO WE CAN INCLUDE IT SO EVERYBODY, AUDIENCE AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT.

OH, SO YOU WOULD INCLUDE IT IF YOU HAD IT? EVEN IF HAD IT IN LESS THAN THAT ONE WEEK TIME? YES. OKAY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS? WE HAVE ONE MINUTE FOR THE REGULAR MEETING STARTS.

THAT WAS HELPFUL. MASON THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MASON YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS IS THE ABILENE LANDMARKS COMMISSION.

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AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION IS SET FORTH BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1171 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS IS A RECOMMENDING COMMISSION.

ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND APPROVAL OR DENIAL BY THIS COMMISSION. OUR OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES AND LANDS DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE OF UNIQUE HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL VALUE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES?

[2. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on February 28, 2023]

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UM, CAN I HAVE A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED.

OKAY. UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES PASSED.

OH, AND DID WE DO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY ITEM OF THE AGENDA? I FORGOT THAT THERE'S A NEW THING, BUT YOU CAN ALSO ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

WELL, WE ALWAYS DID THAT, BUT NOW THEY'VE PUT IT AT THE VERY FIRST WELL, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE CAN EITHER HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR AT FIRST IN CASE IN CASE WE DON'T.

AND SO AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ON HERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WE COULD HAVE IT ON EACH ITEM AND IN FACT, IT IS ON EACH ITEM WHERE YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN BE AS INFORMAL AS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAVE A COMMENT ON THE MINUTES, WHICH IT'S AN OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

NOT REALLY. NOT REALLY A IT'S AN OPEN MEETINGS ACT THING, NOT REALLY HAVING TO DO WITH THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION, BUT IT IS ON THE AGENDA.

I WAS OUT OF TOWN. I DIDN'T APPROVE THIS ONE, THIS THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S PRINTED.

SO YOU MIGHT GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THERE.

SO THERE'S A TINY CHANGE IN THE ORDER OF OUR MEETINGS THAT IS KIND OF NEW.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT NOW ON ANY AGENDA, ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND COMMENT ON ANY OF TODAY'S ITEMS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE COMING FORWARD.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM, CA 20230 TO

[3. CA-2023-02: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request for Certificate of Appropriateness for the Addition of Two Signs. The Subject Property is Located at 508 Mulberry Street in the Neighborhood Empowerment Zone.]

HELLO, I AM MASON TEAGARDEN FROM THE CITY OF ABILENE'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

TODAY WE ARE LOOKING AT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST CASE NUMBER C, A 2020 302.

THE OWNER IS SHIRLEY ALLEN AND SHE IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD TWO SIGNS.

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IN THE LOCATION IS 508 MULBERRY STREET.

THIS HOUSE IS A TWO STORY THREE BAY DOMESTIC BUILDING IN THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WITH PRAIRIE SCHOOL INFLUENCES.

THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 1920 AND IS KNOWN AS THE COOPER BOWLIN HOUSE.

THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM IS FRAME.

THE FOUNDATION IS PIER AND BEAM.

EXTERIOR WALLS ARE ORIGINAL STUCCO.

THE BUILDING HAS A LOW HIP ROOF CLAD IN REPLACEMENT ASPHALT SHINGLES WITH BOXED CORNICE.

WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL WOOD VERTICAL FOUR OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG SASHES.

THERE IS A SINGLE STORY WRAP AROUND OPEN PORCH CHARACTERIZED BY A BELLCAST GABLE ROOF CLAD IN ASPHALT SHINGLES WITH BATTERED WOOD POSTS ON SQUARE STUCCO PIERS. HERE IS A LOCATION MAP.

HERE IS THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP.

HERE IS THE ZONING MAP.

UH, IT'S JUST RECENTLY GOT REZONED FROM MULTIFAMILY TO NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE THROUGH PNC AND CITY COUNCIL.

HERE IS THE OVERLAY MAP.

IT'S GOT THE EMPOWERMENT ZONE AS WELL AS THE OTHER HISTORIC PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT AREA.

THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE.

THERE WILL BE TWO SIGNS AND BOTH OF THEM WILL BE THE EXACT SAME ON EACH FRONTAGE.

HERE IS THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE PROPOSED SIGNS.

AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SECTION 2.30.4 F.

THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

IF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS APPROVED, THE WORK SHALL COMMENCE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION.

IF WORK DOES NOT COMMENCE WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS, THE APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL EXPIRE.

THE APPLICANT MAY REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO THIS EXPIRATION DEADLINE PROVIDED A COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR A REQUEST FOR EXTENSION IS SUBMITTED AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE THE APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS EXPIRES.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SHOULD THEY? ALTHOUGH THERE'S NO REQUEST, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO 36FT².

THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO DO 28.

IF YOU WISH TO ADD ANOTHER SIGN, SHE WOULD SHE WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD AGAIN TO ADD ANOTHER SIGN OR OR MAKE A SIGN THAT WOULD MAKE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OVER 36FT².

NO. SO SHE'S ONLY ALLOWED THESE TWO SIGNS.

OKAY, THAT'S IT.

ONE PER EACH FRONTAGE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE STAFF.

UM, REPORT.

THANK YOU, MASON. AND SO DO I.

ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN, KELLY? OR YOU CAN, BECAUSE I BET I BET THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS.

COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE ALLEN 508 MULBERRY.

UM, I DON'T SHE'S DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB ON THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH TO ADD, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THE HOUSE, CHARLIE? DECEMBER. OKAY.

THAT'S SWEET. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.

THANK YOU. WE'VE DONE QUITE A FEW RENOVATIONS TO THE INTERIOR.

JUST MAINLY COSMETIC, BUT I'M READY TO GET MOVED IN THAT.

ARE YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO JUST USE IT AS A BUSINESS OR A BUSINESS AND RESIDENCE? JUST BUSINESS. OKAY.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN IN THERE WHEN THAT WAS THE BED AND BREAKFAST IN TOWN.

IT'S GOT SOME INTERESTING QUIRKS UPSTAIRS FOR WHEN THEY HAD IT AS A BED AND BREAKFAST.

THERE ARE SOME BATHROOMS. THEY PUT IN SOME INTERESTING LOCATIONS.

SO I LEARNED THAT IT WAS A BED AND BREAKFAST PREVIOUSLY.

YEAH, THE OWNERS STILL LIVE IN TOWN, BUT REALLY? HUH? YEAH, THEY'RE STILL HERE.

BEAUTIFUL OFFICE.

THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO WORK WELL FOR YOU.

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IT GETS THE JOB DONE AND DOESN'T REALLY INTRUDE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY DISCUSSION? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CA 202302.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? YES. YOU CAN HAVE THAT ONE.

THANK YOU. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MR BLACK.

YES. YES.

YES. YES.

YES. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THE SECOND ITEM ON SECOND AGENDA ITEM IS H P TR 2020

[4. HPTR-2023-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request for Historic Project Tax Reduction for an Improvement Project in the Amount of $9,337.93]

HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A HISTORIC PROJECT.

TAX REDUCTION FOR AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $9,337.93.

AND WE'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT.

HELLO, MASON FROM SYDNEY, RAVELING'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AGAIN TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT A HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION REQUEST.

CASE NUMBER H R 2020 301.

THE OWNER IS ANDREW AND LYDIA TATE.

THE REQUEST IS FOR AN HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE CITY OF ABILENE.

PROPERTY TAXES FOR AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $9,337.93.

THE ADDRESS IS 802 MEANDER STREET.

HERE WE HAVE A LOCATION MAP.

AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP.

THE ZONING MAP.

AND HERE WE HAVE THE PRICE DETAIL.

SO THE COST FOR ELIGIBLE EXPENSES IS $750 OR MORE.

THE LABOR CAME OUT TO $7,525.93.

THE MATERIALS, $1,812.

THE TREE TRIMMING WAS 125.

THE SALES TAX WAS 120 307, AND THE TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROJECT CAME OUT TO $9,586.

WE HAD TO TAKE OUT THE TREE TRIMMING FEE, WHICH WAS 125, AS WELL AS THE SALES TAX, WHICH WAS ONE 2307 SO THE TOTAL REQUESTED FOR THE PROJECT TAX IS $9,337.93.

HERE IS THE RECEIPT FOR THE WORK.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

IT WAS REVIEWED PURSUANT TO SECTION 30 DASH 41 OF THE CITY OF ABILENE'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.

THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC OVERLAY ZONE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 14TH, 2011.

THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROJECT IS $9,337.93.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH WAS CA 2020 201, WAS APPROVED ON APRIL 26TH, 2022.

IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE REPAIRS WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PROTECTED THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOME AND ENVIRONMENT.

ALL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT WERE DONE ON THE EXTERIOR AS WELL AS A TREE TRIM SERVICE THAT HAS BEEN DEDUCTED FROM THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

HERE ARE SOME CURRENT AFTER PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I REMEMBER PORCH, PORCH REPAIRS AND PORCH PAINT.

I WISH WE HAD A PICTURE OF THAT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S ONLY ON THE LITTLE GUEST HOUSE.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I WISH I COULD SEE IT BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PORCH FLOOR.

MASON MAYBE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF FUN FOR US TO SEE.

BEFORE AND AFTER.

BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THE BEFORE.

OKAY. IT ALWAYS MAKES US HAPPY.

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YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS DARK TRIM AND IT NEEDED WOODWORK REPAIR.

IT NEEDED IT NEEDED SOME PAINT.

I REMEMBER THAT. SO, UM, YEAH, WE DEFINITELY ARE EXCITED.

IT GOT PAINTED, BUT IT'S ALWAYS FUN FOR US TO SEE THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES SIDE BY SIDE.

UM. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MASON? WE'LL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT.

AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IT LOOKS GREAT. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.

ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL? OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? QUESTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR H P R 2020 301 TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

YES. MR. SCOTT. YES.

MR. BUTLER. YES.

YES. YES.

UM, IS THERE ANY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER FURTHER BUSINESS SINCE BEFORE WE ADJOURN AND SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN PROBABLY SHED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON THE WHOLE PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTION.

OKAY. I CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT BETTER.

SO A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THE LAW CHANGED.

THAT SAID, YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON BEFORE BEFORE THE AGENDA ITEMS OR ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY. SO SO EVEN THERE'S NO EXCEPTION FOR MINUTES BECAUSE I EVEN ASKED THIS AT A CONFERENCE, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD BECAUSE WHY WOULD THE PUBLIC NEED TO NECESSARILY SPEAK ON MINUTES? SO WE STARTED PUTTING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON MANY OF OUR AGENDAS.

AND THEN IT COVERS EVERYTHING NOW.

AND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU ALSO HAVE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PROBABLY WANT TO TALK TO THAT ANYWAY.

SO REALLY IT'S REALLY MORE A MATTER OF NEEDING IT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN NOT HAVING TO PUT IT ON EVERY ITEM THAT'S NOT A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM OR JUST TAKING TAKING IT OFF AND, AND ASKING IF IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO WHATEVER EACH AGENDA ITEM IS INSTEAD.

SO IT'S KIND OF AN EITHER OR.

WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED ALL OF OUR BASES AND MAYBE OVERKILL ON THE WAY WE DRAFTED THIS AGENDA JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THERE.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR BOARDS, WE'VE BEEN ADDING THAT IN AND SOME WE HAVEN'T, AND WE JUST PUT IT ON EACH ITEM.

BUT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ON THE MINUTES, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

IT REALLY COULD BE AT THE BEGINNING OR WE COULD HAVE IT ON EACH ITEM.

AND SO WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE NEXT TIME TO KIND OF PICK PICK A WAY, REMIND ME BEFORE THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT AND WE'VE YEAH, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SEE, I MISSED THAT AND WE COULD JUST REMOVE THE MINUTES.

RIGHT. WE'VE NEVER HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE'VE NEVER OFFERED THAT.

RIGHT. AND YOU NORMALLY WOULD THINK WHY BUT AND I DOUBT A LOT OF CITIES ACTUALLY DO IT BUT THAT THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT BE BETTER JUST TO PUT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND THEN NOT HAVE IT ON THE MINUTES.

WE COULD ALSO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO OKAY, DO WE CONFUSING FOR OUR GUEST TODAY AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO I'M GLAD SHE WAS A LAWYER AND COULD FIGURE IT OUT.

SHE SPOKE WHEN SHE DID RIGHT.

DO WE NEED TO ADD THE TIMER THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AVAILABLE? I MEAN, NOT UNLESS YOU WANTED TO.

I MEAN, IF WE I'VE NEVER SEEN A LANDMARKS GO LONG.

YOU COULD SAY THE CHAIR COULD SAY, I'M GOING TO LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THIS BOARD LANDMARKS COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT PEOPLE TALKED FOR A LONG TIME.

I CAN. I CAN RECALL A FEW, BUT NOT VERY MANY.

YEAH, JUST MAYBE REMIND ME BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S NEW.

TAKING THAT IN A DIFFERENT ORDER.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.