7. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on Authorizing the City Manager to Enter into a Hotel Occupancy Tax Management and Use Agreement Pursuant to 351.101(c) of the Texas Tax Code with the Expo Center of Taylor County, Texas (Robert Hanna)

[7. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on Authorizing the City Manager to Enter into a Hotel Occupancy Tax Management and Use Agreement Pursuant to 351.101(c) of the Texas Tax Code with the Expo Center of Taylor County, Texas (Robert Hanna)]

CARRIES. >> WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM 7.

COUNCILMAN YATES YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON THIS.

>> I HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK MR. ROBERT HANNA TO MAKE SURE THESE ISSUES ARE FULLY UNDERSTOOD FROM THE DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST ASK THE

QUESTION? >> MAYBE JUST A BRIEF SYNOPSIS.

OF WHAT ITEM IS THE CURRENT VALUE DISTRICT TERMINATES JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. FOR THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO TO BRING A NEW JOINT CITY COUNTY VALUE E DISTRICT TO THE TAXPAYERS FOR THEIR AUTHORIZATION. PART OF THAT HAS BEEN A CONTINUATION OF THE REVENUE SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THIS PARTICULAR VALUE DISTRICT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT FORMING IS UNDER THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATED TO BE A JOINT VENUE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE'S A REVENUE SHARING TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN A COUNTY ENTITY THEEXPO AN THE CITY ENTITY . WHEN WE ARE RUNNING NUMBERS ON

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THE AMOUNT OF DEBT SERVICE THAT COULD BE ISSUED WITH THE TEXT THAT CAME IN IRAN TWO SCENARIOS FOR FUNDING, ONE WAS REMOVING DEBT SERVICE FROM THE DISTRICT REVENUES BEFORE SPLITTING THE REVENUE 50-50 AND THE OTHER WAS HAVING THE DEBT SERVICE COME OUT OF FRONTIER TEXAS AS PORTION OF THE 50-50 SPLIT BECAUSE THE DEBT SERVICES BEING ISSUED FOR FRONTIER TEXAS BENEFIT THEY HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT TO FORM A VENUE. IF THE CONDITION PRECEDENT TO HAVE THE VOTERS APPROVE THE VENUE.

THE ITEM WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ITEM IS RESOLVED DISPUTE IT'S REALLY BEEN EXISTING VENUE TAXES BEING USED TO PAY FOR OPERATIONS. TAKING 1% OF THE HOTEL TAX FROM THE A CVB 1% IN 1% FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER WE CAN CREATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO OFFSET THEY WILL STILL GET MORE MONEY NEXT YEAR THAN THEY GOT THIS YEAR. IT SEEMS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A WIN-WIN IS WHY A PRODUCT TO COUNSEL FOR

CONSIDERATION. >> FEW QUESTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY. DO THE ABILENE CITIZENS PAY FOR

ANY PART OF THIS? >> ONLY IF THEY STAY IN A HOTEL. THE VENUE DISTRICT ALL THE RECEIPTS THEY WORK ON THE SAME FUNCTION AS THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX ONLY GETS PAID BY PEOPLE WHO STAY IN THE HOTEL'S. IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF ABILENE AND YOU STAY IN A HOTEL YOU WILL PAY THE TAX FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE TAX ARE NOT RESIDENTS OR

CITIZENS. >> DOES THIS AGREEMENT REPRESENT NEW TAX OR INCREASE IN ANY EXISTING TAX?

>> IT DOES NOT WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SHIFT HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUES FROM THE A CVB CULTURAL AFFAIRS AND CONVENTION

CENTER OVER TO THE EXPO CENTER? >> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE EXPO CENTER PUTS HEADS IN BEDS WHICH IS THE SAME REASON WHY THE CAC AND CONVENTION CENTER HAVE HOTEL

OCCUPANCY TAX. >> DOES THIS CHANGE REQUIRE REDUCTIONS IN ANY EXISTING PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES?

>> THE CURRENT RECIPIENTS BUT ARE RECEIVING 1% REDUCTION OF REVENUE THEY PROBABLY HAVE THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT THAT. FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 THEY WILL HAVE MORE REVENUE EVEN WITH THE REJECTION.

EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE, IT'S NOT MATERIAL IN MY OPINION THEY STILL HAVE NO REVENUE.

THE CONVENTION CENTER IS ABOUT 120 I THINK THE CULTURAL

AFFAIRS COUNSEL IS 40 TO 60. >> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. NONE OF THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE CRITICAL. I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I APPRECIATE THE WAY IN WHICH YOU ARRANGED THIS AGREEMENT SO THAT EVERYBODY WINS.

THERE IS NO LOSER IN THIS AGREEMENT.

IT'S RARE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL DONE.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THANK YOU FOR THAT, I APPRECIATE FRONTIER TEXAS, I APPRECIATE THE EXPO, I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

>> THE AGREEMENTS FOR FIVE YEARS?

>> YES. >> HOW IS THAT NUMBER

DETERMINED? >> WE TOOK THE SAME AGREEMENT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS, TO A CVB AND THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS COUNSEL AND REGURGITATED THE LANGUAGE.

THE TERM IS THE SAME TERM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS.

>> SO THE VISITORS, CONVENTION, AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS EACH GET REDUCED BY 1%. YOU MENTIONED IT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS A REDUCTION IN PERCENTAGE BUT NOT REDUCTION IN ACTUAL DOLLARS. THAT INCREASE, IS THAT DUE THIS

YEAR TO THEM TO INFLATION? >> NO I THINK IT'S DUE TO JUST

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HOTEL NIGHT STAYS INCREASING THE OCCUPANCY IS STRONG.

I THINK IS A TESTAMENT TO THE WORK THAT ACB CULTURAL AFFAIRS COUNSEL AND THE WHOLE TAX EXISTS TO PUT HEADS IN BOTH.

I THINK IT'S WORKING. >> THE VISITORS BUREAU IS FOCUSED ON OUTSIDE DOLLARS, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> THAT'S THEIR MANDATE.

THE CONVENTION CENTER IS A MIX. MY CONCERN HERE IS, ARE WE TAKING MONEY FROM AN AGENCY OR INSTITUTION THAT SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GET OUTSIDE DOLLARS WHICH BENEFITS THE EXPO CENTER WHICH BENEFITS THE ZOO WHICH BENEFITS EVERY SMALL BUSINESS IN TOWN AND WE ARE TAKING MONEY FROM THEM AND GIVING IT TO THE EXPO CENTER. SAYING WE HAVE AN INCREASE THIS YEAR SO WE CAN REDUCE THIS YEAR BUT THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT WE MIGHT BE PAYING THE COST IN TWO YEARS AND FIVE YEARS OF STILL REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MARKETING THE VISITORS BUREAU CAN DO TO OUTSIDE DOLLARS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT STILL REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MARKETING THE VISITORS BUREAU CAN DO OUTSIDE.

>> IF YOU TAKE 1% AWAY FROM THE VISITORS BUREAU YOU HAVE REDUCED THE REVENUE POTENTIAL, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

AND VALUE THE DECISION THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THE HEADS PIN BEDS, WILLETT OFFSET THE LOSS OF A CVB FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I THOUGHT IT DID WHICH IS WHY WE BROUGHT THE SOLUTION TO YOU ALL BUT IT'S YOUR DECISION TO MAKE AS A

COUNSEL AND I RESPECT THAT. >> THAT 1% FROM THE VISITORS BUREAU FOR THIS YEAR DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH BALLPARK OF WHAT

THAT IS IN DOLLARS? >> THIS IS OFF THE TOP OF MY

HEAD, 143 550. >> THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY TWO EMPLOYEES THAT THEY WOULD LOSE. IN ACTUAL TERMS WHAT WILL THEY

BE LOSING. >> I THINK THEY LOSE THE ABILITY TO MARKET THE COMMUNITY I DON'T BELIEVE THE 1% WILL AFFECT MATERIALLY THEIR OPERATIONS TO THE POINT OF TERMINATING EMPLOYEES. THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT DECISION BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY NOT.

YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR MARKETING BUDGET TO OFFSET THAT.

>> IF WE ARE TAKING MONEY FROM CONVENTION THIS OR NOW UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, IN THE NEAR TERM ARE WE LOOKING AT NEEDING TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OR INCREASING FUNDING TO THE CONVENTION CENTER? ARE WE TAKING FUNDS NOW ONLY TO HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ON THE ROAD IN THE NEAR SHORT TERM

FOR THE CONVENTION? >> THE CONVENTION CENTER DOES NEED IMPROVEMENTS. I HAVE WORKING CURRENTLY ON A PLAN ON THE WAY WE CAN FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS WE ALSO COUNSEL MANY YEARS AGO SOMETIMES THE LAST EIGHT YEARS DEDICATED ONE CENT OF THE TAX RATE TO HELP WITH CONVENTION CENTER MAINTENANCE AND THAT STILL IS PRESENT AND PART OF THE CONVENTION CENTER SO WE HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING STREAM FOR THAT. ONE OF THE REASONS WE OUTSOURCED MANAGEMENT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER IS BECAUSE OF THE REVENUE POTENTIAL THAT BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND I THINK THAT OVER THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS WE WILL SEE THE CONVENTION CENTER NEEDING LESS HOT TAX TO FUND THE OPERATIONS WHICH WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO USE THE HOT TAX FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FACILITY.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT US TAKING 1% FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT WE MIGHT NEED IN THE FUTURE I THINK THE GROWTH IS GOING TO CONTINUE AND WE WILL BE FINE.

>> DOES THE VISITORS BUREAU ALREADY CURRENTLY GET A LUMP SUM ANNUALLY TO THE EXPO CENTER?

>> THEY DO. >> THIS WOULD BE ON TOP OF?

>> YES IT WOULD. >> ULTIMATELY THAT'S A DECISION FOR THE A CVB BOARD I HAVE NOT HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ANYBODY ABOUT THE EXPO CENTER GETTING REDUCED FUNDING.

THE ACB B EXISTS TO PROMOTE THIS OMMUNITY THE EXPO CENTER I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE WORK THEY DO AND THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY PROVIDE AND THEY DO BRING A NUMBER OF FOLKS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SOME OF THEM STAY ON SITE WITH HE.

>> IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO NOT APPROVE THIS TODAY, WHAT WOULD

HAPPEN? >> THE MENU DISTRICT BOARD WOULD MEET. I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE FRICTION AND FRUSTRATION BETWEEN THE ELEMENTS OF THE VENUE DISTRICT BOARD ONE OF THE REASONS I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA IS

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BECAUSE IT UTS IT RESOLVES A FUNDAMENTAL TENSION BETWEEN WHAT EXISTS ON THE MENU DISTRICT AND WE NEED THAT DISTRICT TO COME TOGETHER SO THAT THE TAX CAN BE ADVOCATED FOR AND PASSED BY THE VOTERS IN 2024.

THIS NOVEMBER, 2023 IS WHEN THEY HAD ELECTION.

IT'S CRITICAL THAT THEY COME TOGETHER, THIS IS AN PPORTUNITY TO SOLVE THE UNDERLYING BRADLEY FRUSTRATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS. AND IT DOES AT A COST THAT'S

NEGLIGIBLE TO ALL CONCERNED. >> THE AGREEMENT IS FIVE YEARS BUT THE UNDERLYING RATE BETWEEN THE BOARD CAN BE ADJUSTED EACH

YEAR? >> THE VENUE DISTRICT HAS WORKED HARD TO BRING THE RATE UP TO CLOSE TO 50-50 AND I THINK THIS YEAR IF THE PLAN IS TO MAKE IT 50-50, HALF A

PERCENTAGE POINT OFF RIGHT NOW. >> THE GOAL OF THE AGREEMENT AS TO EASE THE FRICTION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.

I CAN SEE THEM DOING THAT FOR THIS YEAR BUT THIS GETS LOCKED INTO PLACE AND STAYS AT 1% NEXT YEAR THE 1% IS LOCKED IN ON THIS AGREEMENT YOU STILL HAVE FRICTION BETWEEN TWO ENTITIES

ON THE RATE ADJUSTMENT. >> THE 50-50 AT THE VENUE DISTRICT DOES IN FACT INCREASE EXPO CENTER BY HALF PERCENTAGE POINT THE LAST TIME I UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE PLAN, THEN YOU HAVE A TRUE 50-50 SPLIT THE FRICTION POINT IS, IN MY OPINION, TIED TO THE DEBT SERVICE THAT'S BENEFITING FRONTIER TEXAS. EXPO CENTER DOESN'T HAVE DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VENUE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PROJECT IN THE NEW VENUE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

FRONTIER TEXAS AS THE SOLE BENEFICIARY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AROUND THE DECK WITH A 50-50 SPLIT OF THE REVENUE AND DEBT SERVICE COMING OUT OF FRONTIER TEXAS SIDE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT AS IT REDUCES THE OPERATING OPERATIONAL DOLLARS THAT FRONTIER TEXAS RECEIVED FROM THE VENUE AND THEY CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT. THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS TO BRING NEW REVENUE TO THE TABLE.

>> HISTORICALLY THE BREAKDOWN FROM THE VENUE DISTRICT BOARD HAS BEEN, THEY ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT OR WE ARE LOOKING TO

CHANGE IT THIS YEAR. >> THE DEBT SERVICES ALWAYS COME OUT BEFORE 50-50. FRONTIER TEXAS WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONCEPT BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONCEPT WE'VE ALWAYS USED. HENCE THE FRICTION BETWEEN EXPO

AND FRONTIER. >> THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A POLICY QUESTION BUT IS THIS RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FRICTION BETWEEN THESE TWO AND THEY DECIDE TO THE VENUE TAX.

BY DOING THIS AGREEMENT ARE WE NOT PULLING IN THREE SEMI-UNRELATED ENTITIES INTO A BRAWL INTO THE TENSION WE DEAL WITH VISITORS BUREAU, CONVENTION AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR MAYBE YEAR SIX BECAUSE THEN ANOTHER NEGOTIATION HAS TO DEAL WITH THE FIVE HEADS INSTEAD OF TWO ARE WE NOT INCREASING THE PROBLEM ACROSS FIVE DIFFERENT AGENCIES?> ANYTIME WE MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. MY CRYSTAL BALL IS JUST AS GOOD AS YOURS, IS IT POSSIBLE? ABSOLUTELY.

ALL THE PLAYERS THAT WOULD BE RECEIVING HOT TAX AS A DIRECT GRANT FROM THE CITY OF ABILENE ARE PROFESSIONAL FOLKS THEY WORK TOGETHER TO PUT HEADS AND BEDS IN THE UNDERSTAND THEY ARE ALL AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE FORMULA.

THE CHAMBER HAS ALREADY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT IF COUNSEL AUTHORIZES ME TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT, THE EXPO BOARD HAS ALREADY DONE THAT. SO ALL OF OUR DUCKS GOING UP.

WILL TELL YOU THAT THE CHAMBER DIDN'T HESITATE.

THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S TRYING TO TAKE PLACE AND MOVING FORWARD. IS THE BEST IDEA THEY THINK I'VE EVER HAD? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I KNOW THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME RESERVATION.

THE BIG FEAR IS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO CHIP AWAY AT THE ACBB DOLLAR AMOUNTS. OF THE HOT TAX EXISTS TO PUT HEADS AND BEDS.HE ACBB EXISTED HAVE ABILENE PUT HEADS AND BEDS. IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO CHIP AWAY TO THE POINT THEY ARE INEFFECTIVE.

I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, THE REVENUE THE HOT TAX IS CITY OF

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ABILENE REVENUE. IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THE ACBB OR THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS COUNSEL, OR THE CONVENTION CENTER, THEY CAN ALLOCATE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.

WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE AGREEMENTS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

EVERY SO OFTEN IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE SURE THE MIX IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. WE HAVE HISTORICALLY FUNDED THE

ACB Ã. >> I WANT TO THANK YOU I KNOW FROM BEING AN ATTORNEY AND MEDIATIONS GETTING TWO PARTIES IN THE SAME ROOM TO AGREE ON WHICH WOMEN WILL MEET IN TAKES HALF A DAY SO FOR YOU TO NEGOTIATE THIS AMONG THE FIVE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND BOARDS AND COUNCILS IS NO MEAN FEAT I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS.

ON POLICY LEVEL I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT I THINK THE FOCUS A LARGE FOCUS OF ABILENE IS TO BE AN OUTSIDE DOLLARS AND THE THREE BIGGEST IS MY OPINION ARE THE ABILENE ZOO EXPO CENTER AND THE ÃÃWE GOT EXPO CENTER AND VISITORS BRINGING IN OUTSIDE DOLLARS AND INSTEAD OF US JUST RUBBING OUR OWN DOLLARS TOGETHER WE HAVE TO BRING IN OUTSIDE DOLLARS WE GOT OUR TWO BEST HORSES OUT THERE COME THE VISITORS BUREAU AND THE EXPO CENTER AND UNDER THIS AGREEMENT TO WE ARE KIND OF JUST TAKING A CHUNK AT ONE OF OUR HORSES THROWING AT LOCAL AND THEN GOING WELL WE HAVE A WOUNDED HORSE NO TAKE A CHUNK OUT OF THE OTHER HORSE AND PLUG IT IN WITH THE OTHER ONE.

AND HITTING THE RAINS GOING OKAY TAKE US TO THE OUTSIDE DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW IF REDUCING ON PERCENTAGE BASIS THE THREE AGENCIES TO SHIFT MONEY TO ANOTHER ONE BASED ON THE VENUE TAX DISTRIBUTION IS WHERE WE AS A CITY SHOULD BE ALLOCATING THE FUNDS BY APPRECIATE YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE AND THE QUESTIONS THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY Ã¦ >> I HAVE BEEN ON THE VENUE TAX BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND YES WE ARE WORKING TO GET SOME PARITY. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT MORE FOR THEIR ENTITIES WHEN MAYOR WILLIAMS WE'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES IT'S HARD WHEN JEFF GETS UP THERE AND DOES A GREAT JOB TALKING ABOUT FRONTIER TEXAS AND MICHELLE DOES A GREAT JOB ABOUT EXPO CENTER. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE REDUCTION TO BEGINNING LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REAL WORLD DOLLARS. INCREASE BECAUSE OF INCREASED REVENUES TO ALLOCATE MORE THAN WE DID LAST YEAR THE ENTITIES RECEIVING THE COMMUTE TOUCH BACK ON THAT.

>> BASED ON EARLY BUDGET WORK FOR 2024, EVEN WITH THE 1% REDUCTION IN THE ACB TO RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL $225,000 THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS DOLLARS WILL RECEIVE $34,000 AND THE CITY RECEIVES AN ADDITIONAL $143,000.

DOCS ENCOMPASSING WITH 1% REDUCTION.

>> SO IT'S ACCURATE TO SAY THESE THREE ENTITIES ARE A ÃÃ

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RECEIVING INCREASE IN REVENUE EVEN DESPITE OF INCREASE IN HEADS AND BEDS IF EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR JOB PUTTING MORE PEOPLE HEALTH. THE AGREEMENT CONTINUES THE

PROCESS. >> FURTHERMORE, I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, WHAT ARE THE EXPECTED COSTS AND BENEFIT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP?

HOW CAN WE ASSESS THE RISK OF THIS INVESTMENT?>> I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WILL THE EXPO CENTER PUT HEADS AND BEDS WITH THESE REVENUES AND WILL THEY SPEND THEM IN A MANNER THAT DOES THAT? THE ANSWER IS YES THE OPERATIONS ALONE GENERATE ROOM NIGHT STAYS BECAUSE IT CREATES AN ATTRACTIVE VENUE THAT OUT-OF-TOWN GUESTS COME TO PARTICIPATE AND WHETHER LIVESTOCK SHOWS CONCERT OR EVENTS, THE RODEO OR THE HERITAGE FAIR, THEY ALL BRING IN PEOPLE FOR HOTEL NIGHT STAYS, I WOULD IMAGINE BECAUSE THIS IS TIED TO OPERATIONAL DOLLARS THAT THE EXPO CENTER WOULD LOOK TO OFFSET THEIR OPERATING COSTS WITH THESE MONIES. ALL OF THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE EXPENSE OF THE OPERATIONS INDEED PUT HEADS AND BEDS.

FROM A STANDPOINT OF KNOWING RETURN ON INVESTMENT, I THINK THEIR PERFORMANCE HISTORICALLY IS INDICATED THAT IT DEFINITELY IS A GOOD INVESTMENT AND THE ACBB MAKES AN INVESTMENT IN THEM BECAUSE OF THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT TO CONTINUE. I THINK THIS JUST ADDS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO GOOD THINGS TO PUT PEOPLE IN OUR

HOTELS. >> I THINK ONE OF THE HOPES I HAVE IS TO BE ABLE TO FROM THE POTENTIALLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE DATA IN A WAY TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS AND KNOWING THAT IT IS A FIVE-YEAR POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN LIBBY OTHER PARTNERSHIPS MOVING FORWARD.

>> WE GET STAR REPORTS THERE IS A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITY WE CAN LOOK TO ANALYZE OUR HOT TAX REVENUE AND STRATEGIES EFFECTIVE TO GROW HOTEL NIGHT STAYS THE BIGGEST INDICATOR ON THAT IS OUR HOTEL NIGHT STAYS INCREASING AND THEY ARE.

IS IT SOLELY BECAUSE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES? I THINK THAT WOULD BE NAC/VE TO SAY YES.

IS IT PART OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES?

ABSOLUTELY. >> I WAS HONORED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO BEFORE THE RECENT IMPROVEMENTS WHEN THEY WERE STILL A DREAM. EVEN THEN, I REMEMBER WHEN I GO TO BOARD MEETINGS WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE AND EASTER WAS THE ONE TIME A YEAR THEY TOOK A BREAK EVERY OTHER WEEKEND THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING OUT THERE THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING DURING THE WEEK THAT WAS ONLY HAD FACILITIES THEY FELT MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN AND WE WERE HAVING TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY AT THE TIME.

IT WAS EXCITING TO SEE THAT PASS THE VOTERS APPROVED, AND IT'S OUT THERE AND SEE THEM ACTUALLY GET TO.

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NOW BEING USED FOR CS BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THE FUNDS WE RECEIVED FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TO FACILITATE OPERATIONS OF THE EXPO CENTER AND SOMETHING THAT EXCITES ME.

I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THE WORK THAT ROBERT DID WORK OUT THIS AGREEMENT OF ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED.

I'M THANKFUL FOR WHAT THE EXPO CENTER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE, HEADS IN BEDS AND THIS WHOLE AREA TO BRING PEOPLE IN.

ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSED CONTRACT AND LOOK

FORWARD TO MANY MORE YEARS. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, THIS INFORMED AGREEMENT HAS EXISTED FOR QUITE A WHILE.

THIS IS SIMPLY REALLOCATING THE FUNDS IN A MORE EQUITABLE MANNER. IS NOT FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE IT

THAT WAY? >>.

>> THIS IS EXISTED FOR A LONG TIME.

OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE THE VOTERS OF ABILENE AND TAYLOR COUNTY CLEARLY COMMUNICATED THE SUPPORT FOR THE EXPO CENTER WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE BONDS.

I THINK THIS IS A PROPER ALLOCATION OF FUNDS.

I RESPECTFULLY DON'T AGREE WITH BLAZE IT IS A REDUCTION BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT WE ARE PROVIDING THAT INCREASE IN REVENUE TO THE ENTITIES THAT AGREED TO TAKE A ONE PERCENT CUT BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE EXPO CENTER AND THE CBV IN THE CHAMBER TO INCREASE HOTEL NIGHT STAYS WHICH GIVES US MORE MONEY TO ALLOCATE AND WE LONG BEEN PARTNERS IN THIS AGREEMENT AND I TOO APPLAUD YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THIS TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE ANYTIME YOU AGREE TO TAKE A REDUCTION IN YOUR ALLOCATION BECAUSE YOU SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND THE VALUE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES BRING IT CREATES A MUCH MORE UNIFYING SPIRIT OF TEAMWORK AND NOBODY HAS THE SAME GOAL WHICH IS TO GET PEOPLE INTO ABILENE.

I THINK THEY ARE ACCOMPLISHING THAT.

>> IF WE REDUCE CONVENTION CENTERS BUDGET BY 1%, WE WILL HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD WE NEED TO MAKE UP ONE PERCENT WE'VE GIVEN AWAY TO BRING THEM BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLUS WE NEED TO GIVE ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR UPDATES AND IMPROVEMENTS SO IN EFFECT THE CITY IS PAYING TWICE FOR THE 1% REDUCTION RIGHT NOW WE JUST PAID ON.

>> IF WE WERE USING ALL REVENUE TO COVER THE CONVENTION CENTER OPERATIONS, THAT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT WE ARE NOT, EVEN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE MADE WON'T REQUIRE THE FULL ALLOCATION CONTACT NUMBER THROUGH THE CONVENTION CENTER.

WE ARE REALLY TAKING A HAIRCUT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CONVENTION CENTER I HAVE A PLAN TO INFUSE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT SHOULD COST THE TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY. THE WAY WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT.

PEOPLE ARE GETTING A HAIRCUT PAND IF THE GOAL IS TO COME BAC SOME POINT IN TIME TO RESTORE THE PLANS HAVE TO DO YOURSELF OUT OF THE HOLE. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME AND JUST BECAUSE WE DID IT ONE WAY FOR 30 YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN THE WEEK AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE WE DON'T HAVE TO THROW EVERYTHING OUT IN THE PROCESS. BUT THERE IS A COST TO IT AND LILY AS THE POLICYMAKERS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF IT'S WORTH IT

OR NOT. >> SO TO REITERATE IF THE COUNCIL SAYS TO THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT THEN WE WILL SAY THE BURDEN SHIFT TO THE VENUE DISTRICT BOARD THEY HAVE THE OPTION POTENTIALLY IN KEEPING THINGS AS IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT IS FRONTIER WOULD TAKE WITH YOU LAST EXPO WOULD GET

MORE. >> HAVE A PERCENTAGE POINT.

BASED ON THE CURRENT VENUE DISTRICT REVENUES IF THEY GO TO 50-50 SPLIT. IF THIS DOESN'T PASS I DON'T THINK THE WORLD COMES TO AN END.

FRONTIER, TO COLLEGEÃÃYOU CAN C POINT OF DISCUSSION, UNDERLYING

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POINT OF DISCUSSION I THINK THIS SOLVES IT.

THE KIND OF MANNER THAT ADDRESSES IT ON A MORE

PERMANENT BASIS. >> THE HALF% ÃÃAM I ALLOWED

TO MENTION THESE NUMBERS? >> I THINK SOME.

I LIKE ORANGE BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT SOLID.

(LAUGHING) THE HALF PERCENTAGE POINT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS $4575. IF NEXT WEEK AT OUR VENUE MEETING WE IF WE MOVE HALF PERCENTAGE POINT IT'S GOING TO COST FRONTIER TEXAS $4524 I'M STANDING IN LINE BETWEEN PROBABLY 20 BECAUSE I KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT FROM AROUND HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIG PLASTIC THINGS ON THEIR BACKS THAT HAVE NUMBERS. THAT IS WHAT THE EXPO THAT'S ONE OF THE SMALL THINGS EXPO CENTER BRINGS IN THE PEOPLE BY GAS HERE TO GET FOOD HERE IS $4574.

>> AND WE LEFT OUT OF THE DISCUSSION THE SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED BY THIS IS STILL BENEFITS LOCAL BUSINESSES

JOB CREATION. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT ON THE VALUE OF THE EXPO CENTER ABILENE ZOO'S NUMBER ONE EXPOS NUMBER TWO THEY ARE ONE OF THE TOP TWO AS FAR AS GETTING OUTSIDE DOLLARS AND WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS DISCUSSION INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE DEBATING IMPORTANCE OF EXPO CENTER, EVERYONE HERE KNOWS HOW INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCREASE FUNDING TO THEM THE ISSUE I THINK BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS DO WE INCREASE FUNDS EXPO CENTER BY TAKING MONEY FROM THE DESIGNATED AGENCY AND VISITORS BUREAU AND THE CONVENTION CENTER I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S

REALLY BEFORE THE COUNCIL. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO WRAP THIS CONVERSATION UP WE ARE GOING AROUND AND AROUND.

I'M TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. ROBERT, THANK YOU FOR WORKING THIS OUT. ALL THE PARTIES AGREE TO THIS AGREEMENT. THEY ALL AGREE TO IT.

YESTERDAY CENTER ITSELF A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH THE FACILITY IS COUNTING HOME THE EXPO CENTER HAS ITS OWN BUDGET THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THEIR OWN FUNDING, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THEIR OWN EXPENDITURES.

THEY ARE INDEPENDENT FROM THE COUNTY THE COUNTY DOES NOT GIVE ÃÃTHEY DO NOT USE TAX MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO FUND ACTIVITIES AND WHAT HAPPENS AT THE EXPO.

WE DO AGREE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THINGS OF THE EXPO DOES TO THIS COMMUNITY I DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT THESE ENTITIES THAT ROBERT HAS WORKED OUT THESE AGREEMENTS WITH HAVE GONE UNDER HIM AND BEHIND HIM WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONING.

I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED.

TRAVERSE TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE DATA, EVERY ONE OF THESE ENTITIES WHETHER IT'S FRONTIER TEXAS A CBV THEY ALL CREATE THE DATA ON THE HEADS AND PLANS AND WHAT IS DONE AND WE CAN COMPILE THAT INTO ONE LIST I WOULD BE INTERESTED.

ALL OF THEM COMPILE OUT OF TOWN ON THE STATE.

>> THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION BUT YES I WAS SAYING WHAT IT WOULD

LOOK LIKE TOGETHER. >> AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. ANYMORE DISCUSSION? AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD. >> MY NAME IS ROCHELLE JOHNSON ON THE GENERAL MANAGER AND EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CENTER. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR Y-AXIS I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN REGAN STATED THAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT FINDING.

EXPO CENTER RECEIVES $30,000 A YEAR FROM ACBB BUT IT DOES NOT GO TO OPERATIONS THAT CONSTITUTE MARKETING, WHICH MEANS I INCENTIVIZE EVENTS TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IT DOES NOT GOING TO PAY MY WATER BILL FOR PAYING MY UTILITY BILL. I GET THAT MONEY TO EVENTS ASKING THEM TO BRING THEIR EVENT TO ABILENE., AT THE MONDAY LUNCHEON WE HAVE WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL ODEO ASSOCIATION, THE MARKETING PROGRAM WROTE THEM $55,000 CHECK INCENTIVIZING THEM TO PART OF THE CONTRACT TO GET THEM TO BRING THEIR BUSINESS TO ABILENE.

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THE OTHER MONEY THAT THE ACBB GIVES TO THE EXPO CENTER IS NOT DIRECTLY TO THE EXPO CENTER IT IS TO EVENTS TO BRING THEIR BUSINESS TO ABILENE. WE JUST SUBMITTED BETWEEN THE EXPO CENTER AND ACBB PROPOSAL TO AMERICAN SHORT HORN ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR SHOW IN JULY 2026.

THE EXPO CENTER AGAIN THROUGH THE MARKETING PROGRAM INCENTIVIZES THEM TO COME, AS DO THE ACBB.

THE ACBB HELP THEM FIND HOTEL ROOMS AND OFFERS THEM CASH DOLLARS OUT OF THE HOT TAX TO GET THEIR BUSINESS TO ABILENE.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO FUNDS GOING TO OUR OPERATIONS.

IF THE NEW VENUE TAX GOES INTO FORCE THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS STATED, THE PROJECT MONEY IS TAKEN OUT D50 FROM THE EXPO CENTER AND FRONTIER TEXAS THE EXPO CENTER STANDS TO LOSE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CASH OVER THE COURSE OF THE 20 YEARS OF TAX, THAT AMOUNT OVER THE 20 YEARS IS $1.6 MILLION.

HAVE A PERCENTAGE CHANGE BETWEEN THE SEER OF $4000 IS A SMALL AMOUNT BUT TO LOSE $1.6 MILLION OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS IS SIGNIFICANT. THE AMOUNT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OR BOND THAT WAS PAID OVER THE PREVIOUS 20 YEARS OF THE VENUE TAX AMOUNTS TO $435,000. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR NUMBERS. THE PREVIOUS 20 YEARS $435,000 BOTH EXPO CENTER AND THE CITY FRONTIER TEXAS HAVE HAD TAKEN OUT BEFORE THEY RECEIVE OPERATING CASH.

IT WILL BE $1.6 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

IN ORDER TO OPERATE THE FACILITY TO BRING THESE EVENTS INTO TOWN, WHICH DRIVE THE VENUE TAX AND THE HOTEL TAX, WHICH DRIVE SALES TAX THAT THE CITY OPERATES OUT OF.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?

>> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS BILL CROWLEY ÃCOUNTY JUDGE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK MR. HANNA FOR PUTTING THIS PROPOSAL TOGETHER. I THINK YOU WELL ARTICULATED WHAT HAD SUCH A GOOD DEAL FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

AS COUNSEL IN MCALISTER SIDE IS WHERE WERE EVERYBODY CAN WIN.

THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE CLEARLY THAT RENCE.

I WANT TO THINK ADDITIONAL COST TO HAVE BEEN BEEN VERY KIND WITH THEIR TIME THIS WEEK ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK WITH TH THEM AS COUNCILMAN BEARD SAID I THINK IT'S AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION BECAUSE AS MR. HANNA SAID AND INDICATED THAT FRONTIER TEXAS IS WHAT BENEFITS FROM THE DEBT SERVICE IN THIS PROPOSAL REPLACES THE MONEY THAT COULD BE LOST TO THE EXPO CENTER. I KNOW SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY WORK EXTREMELY WELL TOGETHER I KNOW EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THAT.

I KNOW I AM COUNSEL IS. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THAT ABILENE IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE COUNTY.

WE ARE THANKFUL TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT PARTNER IN THE CITY OF ABILENE. AS MR. HANNA SAID THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS I THINK THIS AGREEMENT CONTINUES THE PROCESS OF UNIFICATION CONTINUING TO MAKE SURE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WORK WELL TOGETHER JUST AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIDE I'M SO THANKFUL THE CITY OF ABILENE THE EXPO CENTER I THINK IS A PRETTY OPEN SECRET THE EXPO CENTER REALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE ECONOMY OF ABILENE IN THE COUNTY TO RECALL THAT I DON'T FIX AN OVER EXAGGERATION TO SAY WE REALLY CONTINUE TO PUT A LOT OF HEADS IN BEDS IN A VERY CHALLENGING TIME FOR THIS REGION AND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. THINK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND YOUR TIME THIS WEEK AND YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING AND I ASK YOU RESPECTFULLY TO

PLEASE PASS THESE PROPOSAL. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY PRICE Ã ¦

>> NO, NO, NO. >> YATES, HE WANTS TO BE IN THE MINUTES.

(LAUGHING) ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

READY TO VOTE. >> (ROLL CALL VOTE)

[10. Ordinance (Final Reading) HOZ-2023-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request From Third And Pine, LP To Apply Historic Overlay Zoning To Approximately .16 Acres Zoned Central Business (CB) Located at 302 Pine Street (Tim Littlejohn)]

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>> HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DRIVEN BY AND SEEING THE NICE RECONSTRUCTION WORK THEY'VE DONE ON THE BUILDING. HERE IS A NOTIFICATION MAP THREE IN FAVOR ZERO POST. FINDINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE LDC CONSISTENT WITH CONFERENCE OF PLAN LANDMARK MISSION IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS TIME I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING.

DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> SOME. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

SECOND BY Ã¦ >> (ROLL CALL VOTE) MOTION

[11. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2023-07: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request From Coffee Momma LLC To Change Zoning From PDD-128 To General Retail, Located at 701 S. Judge Ely Blvd. (Tim Littlejohn)]

CARRIES. >> MOVING TO ITEM 11.

>> THANK YOU. FOR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING IS A ZONE CHANGE CASE NUMBER 2023Ä7 OWNER COFFEE MAMA AGENT CJ CHENEY THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER AS A RESULT FROM PLAN ON 128 GENERAL ÃLOCATED 701 S. JUDGE HEALY BOULEVARD.

HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT.

HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

HERE'S THE NOTIFICATION MAP. TWO IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED.

FINDINGS IS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MEETS CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS CASE AND I RECOMMEND TO YOU YOUR APPROVAL AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM AT

THIS TIME? >> MY KIDS WENT TO CRACK AFTER IT OPENED AND THEY ARE RIGHT AT THE EXIT FROM CRAIG MIDDLE SCHOOL PROPERTY. IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH WITH THE OVERFLOW OR LINING UP?

>> I KNOW THAT AREA THE PARENTS WERE PARKED THERE WAITING FOR KIDS TO GET OUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH PREGARD TO THAT I'M SURE IT'S ADDRESSED DURING THE PLANNING WHERE THEIR CONCERNS BROUGHT UP DURING THE DISCUSSION.

>> THERE WAS EARLY CONVERSATION AND THE STAFF TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN YET.

THAT WILL BE THOROUGHLY REVIEWED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. SOME OF THE CONCERNS WILL BE

ADDRESSED. >> IS THE SITE PLAN SLATED FOR

PD? >> THIS IS CHANGING FROM PD TO

GENERAL. >> I WAS THINKING IT WAS ADJUSTMENT TO THE PD. I WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I SAW A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE WAS PICKING UP MY KIDS.

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>> ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THAT ON FRIARS STREET THERE IS NO PARKING, THAT WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH I GUESS THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF NO PARKING YOU CAN'T REALLY PARK ON FRIAR UNTIL HE GOT A LOT CLOSER TO CHANTICLEER'S.

I DON'T KNOW HOW RECENT THAT'S BEEN THAT I KNOW NO PARKING PRETTY DEEP INTO THAT PROPERTY ON FRIARS.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT I WILL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> SO MOVED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

>> (ROLL CALL VOTE) MOTION CARRIES.

[12. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2023-11: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From Bridgestone Bandag, LLC To Change Zoning From Light Industrial To Heavy Industrial, located at 4962 FM 18 (Tim Littlejohn]

>> MOVING TO ITEM 12 AND WE WILL HAVE TIM LITTLEJOHN AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU MARY. UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING IS REZONE REQUEST FROM BRIDGESTONE BANDAGTHE REQUEST TO CONSIDER IS REZONE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. LOCATED AT 4962 FM 18.

THERE'S AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP. CURRENT ZONING MAP PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

AND THE PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THERE ARE VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

NOTIFICATION AREA WAS NOTIFIED WITHIN 200 EET OF THE PROPERTY TO BE TRANSPARENT TO PROCEED ONE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE PACKET TO PROPERTY TO THE EAST THEY HAD SOME TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS FOR THE ADDED INDUSTRIAL USAGE.

THE FINDINGS IS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN THAT MEETS CRITERIA OF APPROVAL PLANNING AND ZONING DID HEAR THIS CASE AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

AND I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM?

>> THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE JUST TO THE EAST, YOU MENTIONED ONE OF THEM, FROM ZONING PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BOOK THAT BOTH HAVE HOMES ON THEM.

AS WE TALKED TO THEM? DO YOU EXPECT THEIR R CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED AND MANAGED THE SITE PLANNING AND BUFFERS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT PROCESS?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR CONCERNS WOULD BE ADDRESSED I BELIEVE ONE IS HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THEIR CONCERNS.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE LOT DEVELOPS OUT OF EGYPT IT'S NOT ATLANTIC TO BE DEVELOPED NOW THEY ARE DOING IT TO MATCH THE CURRENT LOCATION OF EACH SCENE IN THE OTHER CASE TO THE WEST WAS DONE LAST MONTH. FOR THE SAME REQUEST.

THEY ARE JUST MAKING IT CONSISTENT.

WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT WHATEVER THEY PROPOSE TO BUILD THE FUTURE AS IF WE CAN EASE THE MINDS OF THE TWO

RESIDENTIALTO THE EAST. >> THANK YOU .

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU TIM.

AT THIS TIME I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SAM CHASE I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE REPRESENTING BRIDGESTONE BANDAG AND THEIR FOLKS. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I'M ENJOYING THE DISCUSSION. BRIDGESTONE HAS MADE DECISIONS THEY WANT TO EXPAND. THEY WANT TO STAY HERE AND IT'S EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE MADE THIS MORNING. THEY ARE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND HAVE YOUR SUPPORT THAT.

THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE HERE AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS IN THAT REGARD I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS EXPANSION PROCESS

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IN ZONE CHANGE SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS.

I APPRECIATE YOU MR. LITTLEJOHN, THIS IV AND THE WHOLE STAFF AT PNC. I HOPE YOU WILL APPROVE THIS.

I WOULD SAY AS AN ASIDE, MR. HANNA, K YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THANK ALL OF YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU NEW COUNCILMEMBERS AND THE NEW LÃTHE NEW MAYOR.

I KNOW FROM 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO THESE SAME KIND OF QUESTIONS CAME UP AND THEY WERE NOT ALL NEW, A FEW BUT AS LONG AS YOU ARE WORKING HARD FOR THAT ONE DOLLAR A YEAR THAT YOU GET SPENDING YOUR TIME INVESTIGATING ASKING THE HARD QUESTIONS AND THEN MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY AND PEOPLE LIKE BURSTEIN WILL CONTINUE TO BE HERE, AND OTHERS.

I KNOW YOU ARE OVERPAID BY THIS IS A LABOR OF LOVE FOR ONE DOLLAR A YEAR. I ABSOLUTELY SALUTE YOU FOR HOW YOU HANDLE IT. KEEP IT UP.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER COMMUNITY ALL AROUND.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS I AM AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.S THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT I WILL TAKE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PRICE.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BEARD. FOR DISCUSSION?

READY TO VOTE. >> (ROLL CALL VOTE) MOTION

[13. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2023-13: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request From Dennis Ray Dunnam II And Mollie Victoria Dunnam To Change Zoning From Agricultural Open (AO) And General Commercial (GC) To General Commercial, located at 411 ES 11th Street (Tim Littlejohn)]

CARRIES. >> TIM, YOU ARE UP, ITEM 13.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL UP FOR CONSIDERATION IS CASE Z-2023-13 THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER IS TO REZONE RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM DENNIS RAY DUNNAM II AND MOLLIE VICTORIA DUNNAM TO CHANGE ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN (AO) AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL (GC) TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 411 ES 11TH STREET, HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP YOU CAN SEE IT! ZONE CURRENTLY WITH GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT AND AGRICULTURE OVER THE SPACE IN THE REAR, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT ALL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.

THERE'S THE PERMITTED USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. HERE'S THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

HERE'S USE OF THE SUBJECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

NOTIFICATION MAP ZERO IN FAVOR ZERO OPPOSED.

WE DID FIND THIS PROPOSAL REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE COPPER HAS A PLAN AND MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PNC DID HEAR THE CASE AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO YOU THIS MORNING. IWOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM ?T THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC EARING STOP IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> SO MOVED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER REGAN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN YATES.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. READY TO VOTE.

>> (ROLL CALL VOTE) MOTION CARRIES.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

>> MOTION CARRIES. WE NOW MOVE TO EXECUTIVE ÃÃ EXCUSE ME. IT IS 10:04 AM WE WILL NOW RECESSED INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETING TIME SECTION 551.07 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY SECTION 551.072 DELIBERATION OF REAL PROPERTY, SECTION 5 ÃÃ DELIBERATIONS ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS.