Jun 22, 2023 City Council

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD MORNING IT IS 8:30 A.M. I CALL THIS MEETING OF A WILLING CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. WITH THE SPECIAL GUEST AND GOING TO INTRODUCE A MOMENT. GOOD ASKED MAYOR PRO TEM TO LEAD

US IN PRAYER THIS MORNING. >> LET'S PRAY, WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS.

WE THANKFUL FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN ENABLING IN THE SENSE OF LOVE AND CARE THAT WE SHARE FOR EACH OTHER AND TAKING CARE OF EACH OTHER AND LIFTING EACH OTHER UP AND PROVIDING FOR EACH OTHER AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE RAIN THAT WE'VE GOT ME PRAY THOSE CLEANING UP AFTER LAST NIGHT'S STORM LET'S PRAY THAT COULD BE DONE QUICKLY AND THINGS GO BACK TO NORMAL AND REMIND WE MINDFUL OF THE MEN IN THEM PRAY FOR SAFETY FOR THE TEAMS AND THOSE THAT WERE LOST IN WITH INFO FOR THE MILITARY, THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE OUR COUNTRY FAR AWAY FROM HOME SEPARATED FROM FAMILIES AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR SACRIFICE, WERE THANKFUL FOR THE MINIMUM IN THE SURVEY IN AND DAY OUT POLICE, FIRE, WATER, EMS, PARKS, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR SO MANY MEN AND WOMEN IN THE SERVICE OF OTHERS ABOVE THEMSELVES.

THESE BE WITH US THIS MORNING WE HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND WE DO WHAT WE DO IN HONOR YOU IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AUSTIN SPARKS HE'S GOING INTO SIXTH GRADE IN MADISON SCHOOL AND HIS MOTHER VERA IS HERE.

SHE WORKS WITH PARKS AND RECREATION WITH US AT THE CITY, HE IS GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGES.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I HONOR THE FLAG AND I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE ONE STATE UNDERGONE

IN ONE INDIVISIBLE. >> WE WILL MOVE THE CONSENT

[CONSENT AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> A LIVE BROADCAST. >> I NEED TO ANNOUNCE OUR INTERPRETER ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE NOT ON THE LIVE FEED. BUT THEY WILL BE ON THE RECORDED VERSION. WE ARE HAVING TECHNICAL TO ENTER DIFFICULTY FROM THE THIRD PARTY. I WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT. YOU CAN SEE THEM BUT IF YOU ARE WATCHING LIVE YOU COULD NOT SEE THEM BUT THEY WILL BE RECORDED.

THANK YOU SHANE. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO PULL AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM? WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ... THERE WILL BE NO VOTES OR ANY FORMAL ACTION TAKEN ON SUBJECT PRESENTED IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE COMMENT PERIOD WILL ONLY ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT IDEAS AND INFORMATION TO CITY OFFICIALS AND STAFF.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME IN THE CITY YOU RESIDE IN FOR THE RECORD TREATED THREE MINUTE LIMIT AND I KNOW MANY ARE PROBABLY HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM 18 AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT INDIVIDUALLY WHEN THE ITEM IS COVERED AT 18.

>> ALL THE CARDS ARE FOR 18. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?

>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, MAYOR. MY NAME IS ERIC BANKS I'M A RESIN OF ABILENE. ON MARCH 9 THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED ABILENE PUBLIC LIBRARY COLLECTION POLICY AS PRESENTED BY THE ABILENE PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD.

PAGES FOUR AND FIVE SPEAK TO THE REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION.

PAGE FIVE STATES PERSONS WISHING TO FORMALLY RECOMMEND THE REMOVAL OR RECLASSIFICATION OF AN ITEM IN THE ABILENE PUBLIC LIBRARY COLLECTION MUST FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE A PERSON SUBMITTING A RECONSIDERATION REQUEST MUST RESIDE WITHIN THE

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OUT OF CITY LIBRARY USERS PAY A YEARLY FEE AND SHOULD HAVE THE SAME LIBRARY RIGHTS AS A CITY RESIDENT.

THIS I BELIEVE IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN SET.

WHO WILL THE LIBRARY BOARD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST AND SILENCE NEXT. GERMAN SOCIOLOGISTS AND POLITICAL SCIENTISTS ELIZABETH NOEL NEWMAN COINED THE PHRASE SPIRAL OF SILENCE IN THE 70S WHEN WRITING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN NANCY GERMANY. SHE WAS GENERALLY PRO-HITLER BUT WHEN THE WAR WAS OVER AND EVERYONE SAW THE INEXPRESSIBLE HORRORS OF THE HOLOCAUST, SHE BEGAN TO THINK DIFFERENTLY.

WHY HAD NO ONE SPOKEN OUT. FROM THIS SHE CAME UP WITH THE SPIRAL OF SILENCE. IT REFERS TO THE IDEA THAT WHEN PEOPLE FAIL TO SPEAK THE PRICE OF SPEAKING RISES.

AS THE PRICE TO SPEAK RISES, STILL FEWER SPEAK OUT.

WHICH FURTHER CAUSES THE PRICE TO RISE SO EVEN FEWER PEOPLE WILL SPEAK OUT. UNTIL THE WHOLE CULTURE OR NATION IS SILENCE. DIETRICH BONHOEFFER SAID IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK YOU ARE NOT BEING NEUTRAL BUT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUCCESS THE THANK YOU REFUSED TO NAME AND CONDEMN.

I AM SPEAKING OUT, THE SILENCING DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG ABILENE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION SO ALL LIBRARY USERS HAVE EQUAL VOICE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY OFFICIALS MY NAME IS DOROTHY CLAY 11 ABILENE, TEXAS I WANT TO SHARE SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION. I DON'T IF YOU HEARD ABOUT IT BUT I'M HERE TO SHARE THAT TODAY.

IT STATES WHERE AS THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RECOGNIZE THAT ALL MEN ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WHICH SERVED AN EDIBLE RIGHT THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

AND WHEREAS THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE BETTER SERVES OUR MUTUAL PLEDGE TO EACH OTHER OUR LIVES, OUR FORTUNES, OUR SACRED HONOR UNDER A FIRM RELIANCE UNDER THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE. AND WHEREAS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES WAS CREATED IN HONOR TO ESTABLISH JUSTICE AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY.

AND WHEREAS THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION FURTHER ASSERTS THAT GOVERNMENT SHALL NOT, SHALL MAKE NO LAW PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION AND WHEREAS MANY FAITH FILLED AMERICANS APPEAL TO HEAVEN THROUGH PRAYERS OF PETITION TO THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB FOR 50 YEARS TO BE RELEASED FROM UNCONSTITUTIONAL JUDICIALLY CREATED RIGHT TO ABORTION. AND WHERE AS THE LORD GRANTED THAT APPEAL TO HEAVEN ON JU JUNE 21, I'M SORRY JUNE 24, 2022 IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES DECIDED JACKSON'S WOMEN HEALTH ON MUSICIAN THAT'S OVERTURNING THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL CASE OF ROE V. WADE AND WHEREAS THE LORD FURTHER DELIVERED JOY TO THE NATION ON A GLOBAL REVIVAL BEGAN ON FEBRFEBRUARY 8, 2023 AS AS BARRY UNIVERSITY IN REAL MORE KENTUCKY AND SPREAD TO COLLEGES AND CHURCHES NATIONWIDE.

AND WHEREAS THE PEOPLE OF GOD SEEK RECOGNITION TO CELEBRATE THESE VICTORIES BY SHARING THEIR TESTIMONY TO REMEMBER AND

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GOD BLESS YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> THANK YOU DOROTHY. BEFORE WE GO ONE I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU ALL WOULD A FRAME FROM APPLAUSE.

IT'S THE INTERPRETERS WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD ON THEM DURING OUTBURST.

JUST BE COURTEOUS TO EACH OTHER. THANK YOU DOROTHY.

IS ANYONE ELSE WITH PUBLIC, AT THIS TIME?

>> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN MY NAME IS SUE SHACKMAN 11 ABILENE, TEXAS. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17.

I KNOW IT'S NOT MAYBE THE PRIORITY OF THE DAY AND IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN ABILENE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST DECADE. THAT IS ABOUT RECYCLING AND I AM REALLY HERE TO SUPPORT RECYCLING IN ABILENE.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL LET THE SOLID WASTE COMPANY ALLOW RECYCLING ON OUR STREETS TO BE COLLECTED.

THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS PAID FOR BY CITIZENS.

IT WILL BE FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. I'VE BEEN DRAGGING MY RECYCLING ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS. A TICKET TO MY CHILDREN'S TOWNS WHERE THEY LIVE AND I PUT IN THEIR VEHICLES SO THEY CAN RECYCLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY WITH ITEMS THAT CAN BE RECYCLED IN ABILENE. I MAKE EXCITED THERE IS A COMPANY THAT IS WILLING TO ALLOW US TO PAY FOR THIS BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BRINGING MORE RECYCLING BACK TO ABILENE, MORE THAN JUST OUR CARDBOARD, ALUMINUM AND BY METAL CANS. I WOULD LIKE STYROFOAM, GLASS AND PLASTIC TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE.

BUT PLEASE TODAY AT LEAST PAST THAT WE CAN ACCOMPANY THAT WE PAY, COLLECT ABILENE RECYCLING OFF THE STREETS.

THANK YOU. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE BAGS AND REFILL THEIR WATER CONTAINERS RATHER THAN BUYING PLASTIC AND HAVING PLASTIC FLY ALL OVER BEATABLE CITY. THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC, WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS

TIME? >> HELLO MY NAME IS NICK FROM LUBBOCK TEXAS. I RUN GOOD OR RECYCLING WITH MY WIFE AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON ITEM 17.

WE ARE THE COMPANY THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE DO RECYCLE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT SHE WAS DISCUSSING, THOUGH GLASS, STYROFOAM, PLASTICS. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE.

I WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION ON CONSENT AGENDA WITH CONSISTING

ITEMS TO - 16. >> SO MOVED.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN YATES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SELECT SECOND.

>> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HOLLISTER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> I NEED TO ABSTAIN NUMBER IS

NINE AND 13. >> ANYONE ELSE.

>> EVERYBODY TO VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER YATES.

[17. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving an Ordinance Adding Chapter 27, “Solid Waste,” Article VI., “Recyclable Material,” which creates a Permitting Process for Private Haulers of Recyclable Materials (Max Johnson)]

>> OF THE MEMBER MCALLISTER. >> YES ABSTAIN ON NINE AND 15.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PRICE PAYMENT

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BEARD. >> COUNCILMAN.

>> SP MCNAIR HER. >> YES.

>> MOTION CARRIES. >> NOW WILL MOVE TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 17 AND ALL ASKED MAX JOHNSON DIRECTOR PUBLIC WORKS TO

PRESENT THIS ITEM. >> GOOD MORNING MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. TODAY UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A FINAL READING FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IN ADDITION TO

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THE COMPANY'S NAME. THE BUSINESS PLAN, WHEN THEY DO COLLECT AROUND THE CITY, CLEAR LOGO OF THE COMPANY ON THEIR VEHICLES. PROPER INSURANCE AND THEN A PERMIT FEE, AND ANNUAL PERMIT FEE FOR EACH OF THE COMPANIES.

ORDINANCE HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND WE WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS A VOLUNTEER IT WILL NOT BE MANDATORY FOR CITIZENS WHO DOES VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.

THEY WILL PAY A SMALL FEE TO GOOD EARTH RECYCLING FOR THE CURB SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. >> I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT CLEAR BUT I'VE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN IT, THEY DON'T NEED TO THERE IS NO CHARGE ON YOUR WATER BILL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR GOOD EARTH TO DO WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO WITHOUT THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE ANY RECYCLING THAT IS COLLECTED THAT INCLUDES THE RECYCLING PRODUCTS.

PERIOD MAY BE ON THE SIDE THAT HALL SCRAP METAL AND MAKE AN EXTRA 100 OR $200 A MONTH IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO NONREGISTERED AND BECOME A BUSINESS AND PROVIDE THESE REPORTS TO THE CITY OR IS THERE A THRESHOLD IN WHICH THEY HAVE

TO COMPLY. >> IF THERE RECYCLING FOR THEMSELVES THEN THEY CAN TAKE IT TO THE LOCAL METAL RECYCLERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. IF THEY ARE COLLECTING FOR OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SAYING TO MAKE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE NEW ORDINANCE.

>> IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LEGAL OPINION?

>> THAT IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WE DO HAVE AN EXCEPTION FOR

SCRAP METAL. >> I WAS INFORMED OTHERWISE MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD I THOUGHT THE INTERPRETATION WAS DIFFERENT THAN THAT. IF IT COUNCIL DESIRE TO ALLOW A DEMAND MENACE OPPORTUNITY FOR METAL RECYCLING LIKE THIS THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, IS

THAT CORRECT. >> THAT WAS THE DIRECTION.

>> I KNOW IN THE PAST WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGING STUFF THERE IS A LACK OF COMFORT ON-THE-FLY MAKING CHANGES.

IF THERE IS A DESIRE FOR THE MODIFICATION OR DO WE WANT TO

GIVE THE DIRECTION. >> IT THINK THE LANGUAGES SIMPLE AND IF IT'S INTENT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE STANLEY CAN PROFIT

BEFORE SIGNED BY THE MAYOR. >> THINK YOU THIS COMPANY IS ALLOWED TO HANDLE RECYCLE. NOT REFUGE.

FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF THE PRODUCTIVE RECYCLING AND PUT THE TRASH IN WITH IT AND NO COMES BY AND FIX IT UP AND NOTICES THERE'S TRASH AND THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THE

FOLLOWING NICK OR THE CITY. >> YOU PROBABLY FALL IN THE CITY WE HAVE CODE FOLKS IN OUR SOLID WASTE THAT WOULD INFORM AND

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THE RECYCLING FROM GOOD EARTH HAS SPECIFIC BAGS THAT THEY WILL GIVE TO THE CUSTOMERS SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THE RECYCLING AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMPANY TO SEPARATE ANY

REFUSE. >> THEY WILL HAVE GREEN AND G

GRAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE BACK TO SCRAP METAL HAULING. I THINK WE ARE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. WE ARE CREATING A NEW PROCESS AND PERMIT TO ENABLE A BUSINESS WHO IS COMING IN AND PROVIDING A SERVICE. IT IS ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED BECAUSE IT IS COMPETING WITH THE TAXPAYER-FUNDED SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND WE HAVE TO DEFINE THE CLEAR LANES. I THINK THE ORDINANCE DOES A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU BREAK THAT OUT FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S HAULING SCRAP METAL.

THAT IS BY DEFINITION RECYCLING. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BOTTLES AND PLASTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF WE ARE FAVORING OR REQUIRING ONE COMPANY OR BUSINESS MODEL TO ACQUIRE A PERMIT, HOW DO WE MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO IS DOING THIS ON THE WEEKEND OR A ONE-TIME BASIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THE DE MINIMIS DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS IF THEY ARE MAKING $2000 A YEAR OFF OF THE SIDE HUSTLE, IS THAT DE MINIMIS. IF THAT IS NOT TO MINIMIZE SHOULD BE REGULAR BY THE ORDINANCE COUNCIL MEMBER.

IN MY MIND LET'S USE $2000 IF YOU'RE MAKING LESS THAN $2000 OR LESS ON A SIDE HUSTLE TAKING PEOPLES RECYCLABLES ARE SCRAP METAL DO YOU NEED TO PAY A 50-DOLLAR PERMIT TO REGISTER YOUR VEHICLES AND SOLICITING AS YOU'RE DOING THAT IN A STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT CRANIAL.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHARGE YOUR CUSTOMERS $25 OR WHATEVER THE CHARGES A MONTH, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE A PROCESS TO MAKE SURE YOUR VEHICLES ARE SAFE AND COMPLIANT IN YOUR ALSO COMPLIANT WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS. ANOTHER DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE GOOD EARTH SHACKLING MODEL CHARGING OUR SERVICE.

WHEN I READ THE GENTLEMAN'S E-MAIL I DID NOT PERCEIVE HIM TO BE CHARGING SO MUCH AS JUST COLLECTING AND I MAY HAVE THAT WRONG I DON'T THINK IT WAS MORE OF A SIDE HUSTLE AND HOW I READ HIS E-MAIL THAT IT WAS AN ACTUAL ENTERPRISE IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> WHAT IS THAT WORD. >> DE MINIMIS.

>> I'M TO WRITE THAT DOWN AND USE THAT.

>> ARE THERE OTHER CITIES OR PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE A THRESHOLD LIKE THAT? THAT WE KNOW WITH.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE CITIZEN CAN HAUL THEIR OWN WASTE THEY DON'T NEED THE CITY OF ABILENE.

IF A CITIZEN WANTED TO LOAD UP THE TRASH BAG CONSECUTIVELY AND FILL THERE'S NOTHING THAT STOPS THEM FROM DOING THAT.

IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A BUDDY DO IT FOR THEM.

YOU START GETTING INTO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE LAW WERE THAT MAY BE ESTATE VIOLATION. BUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AS THEY HAVE MORE THINGS THAT ARE PRESSING. I DON'T THINK THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION IS BEING PUT OUT THERE. MAYBE IT IS MAYBE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS ON A SIDE HUSTLE ON THE STUFF.

THIS IS THE FIRST E-MAIL I'VE EVER HAD ON MY CAREER ON A PERSON WHO SAYS I'VE GOT THE SIDE BUSINESS IN MY GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS WERE NOT. IF YOU WANT TO EXEMPT THOSE THAT DO TAKE SCRAP METAL TO THE RECYCLE TO THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. YOU PROBABLY COULD.

YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO GIVE US THAT INTENT.

IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE SLICE THAT HIGH AND WHERE IT IS THAT THE REGULATION FALLS THEN WE MADE NEED TO SPECIFY THE

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>> I LIKE THE FACT. I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THEIR TALKS ABOUT CHARGING. IF SOMEONE'S CHARGING THEY FALL UNDER THIS THEN IT DOING IT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOR I DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS I CONTINUE TO GO AS IT IS.

>> I COULD TELL FROM YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS THAT YOU HAVE OTHER

QUESTIONS. >> THE CONCERN THAT I'VE GOT.

IF SOMEONE ASKED US QUESTIONS WE HYPOTHETICALLY PASS THE ORDINANCE AND CREATED A PERMIT SYSTEM FOR SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING MONEY OFF OF HAULING RECYC RECYCLABLES.

WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER THEM AND SAY YES THAT IS A LOT BUT WE DON'T ENFORCE IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

THAT'S A BAD SYSTEM. >> I'M NOT SAYING WERE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IF THERE'S ONE PERSON IN TOWN DOING THIS THE CONCEPT THAT THE CITY SOMEHOW IS AWARE OF THE ONE PERSON DRIVING AROUND.

WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE PRESSING.

OTHER HOUSES ARE ON FIRE OR PUTTING THE FIRES ON THOSE PLACES AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME PEOPLE THROW BUILDINGS UP THE ARM PERMITTED AND WE FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT. EVENTUALLY WE WILL FIND OUT AND DEAL WITH IT APPROPRIATELY AT THAT TIME.

I THINK TO KYLE'S POINT THIS COULD BE THE ANSWER.

YOU CHARGING 70 FOR THE SERVICE AND YOU FALL UNDER THIS REGULATION. IF YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ANYBODY FOR THE SERVICE IN YOUR PICKING UP THE SCRAP METAL INTAKE INTO THE RECYCLABLE FOR ME, THAT'S BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND I DON'T

KNOW IF WE NEEDED REGULAR THAT. >> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE AS A

DISTINCTION. >> AS WRITTEN THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO BE CHARGING A FEE TO REQUIRED AS A PERMIT IF YOU'RE COLLECTING RECYCLABLES FROM A THIRD PARTY YET TO GET A PERMIT REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE COLLECTING A FEE OR NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE PROVISION ONLY THING COLLECTING THE FEE THEN WE CAN ON THAT IN THEIR SCALE OPERATION LIKE THIS IS GOING OUT TO CHARGE A FEE TO MAKE ANY MONEY THE RECYCLABLES DON'T COVER THE COST OF OPERATIONS.

>> WE CAN ADD THAT. >> IS.

>> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, IF YOU CHARGING A FEE IN EXCESS OF WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS. I DON'T HOW YOU WOULD WORK OUT

THE FEE. >> ONE DOLLAR IN A.

>> OF SOMEONE DOWN THE STREET PAYS ME $50 AND PAYS ME FOR MY GAS FOR HAULING IT BECAUSE I HAVE A TRUCK THEN THEY WOULD

HAVE TO REGISTER PERMIT. >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER.

>> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE SETTING THE ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT IF YOU CHARGING MORE YOUN ENFORCEMENT.

>> I THINK A FEE IS A FEE IS A FEE.

>> I AGREE. >> HAD A QUESTION IN TERMS OF

THE COMPANY. >> DURING THE PUBLIC.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IF YOU COULD COME UP FOR COUNCILMAN

CRAMER'S QUESTIONS PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD I KNOW IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYTHING IS VOLUNTEER BASE CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW YOU STAFF YOUR COMPANY AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

>> WE STAFF AND HIRE DRIVERS. AND THEY COLLECT THE MATERIAL.

RESOURCE SEPARATE WHATEVER WE CAN PROCESS LOCALLY IN THE REST WE TRANSPORT TO FACILITIES THAT WE WORK WITH.

>> I WONDER YOU OBVIOUSLY BRING A COMPANY OUTSIDE OF ABILENE, I'M CURIOUS HAVE YOU EVER EXPERIENCED LIMITED PARTICIPATION AND CONSISTENCY IN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE HIRING

TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. >> WE HAVE HAD A GREAT RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE ACTUALLY TESTED THE PUBLIC OR DISSIPATION BEFORE WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

REGARDING STAFF THE NATURE OF BEING AN ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICE WE ALWAYS ATTRACT VERY PASSIONATE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK

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BEING ABLE TO ENLIST PEOPLE. >> LAST QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT YOU ARE COLLECTING HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT TRAINING AND HANDLING THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE HAZARDOUS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.

>> WE DON'T TAKE ANYTHING THAT IS HAZARDOUS.

WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING AND EDUCATION BOTH WITH OUR STAFF AND ON THE CUSTOMER END FOR THE BAGS WE PROVIDE ARE CLEAR AND WERE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE THE INDIVIDUAL BAGS AND ALSO CAN BE DECAYED DIRECTLY WITH THE HOUSEHOLD OR BUSINESS THAT IS RECYCLING INCORRECTLY WE WE CAN MITIGATE DIRECTLY IN THAT THAT TIME IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TRASH AND WE FOCUS A LOT ON EDUCATION TO DO A LOT OF EDUCATION FOR OUR STAFF AS WELL SO WE FOCUS HIGHLY

ON THAT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT I APPRECIATE IT. YOU CURRENTLY RECYCLE OR COLLECT

SCRAP METAL? >> ON A HOUSEHOLD BASIS WE DON'T BUY METAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT'S ON A HOUSEHOLD BASIS AND RESOURCE SEPARATE THAT AND BRING IT TO WHERE WE CAN PROCESS IT

LOCALLY. >> THANK YOU.

>> STILL IN THE PUBLIC, IT WOULD EVEN LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS

TIME. >> SUE, ABILENE, TEXAS.

I WAS MADE AWARE OF GOOD EARTH RECYCLING I THINK YOUR FACEBOOK AND THEY DO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY RECYCLE. IT TELLS US HOW THIS WILL FUNCTION IF WE HAVE A MONTHLY SERVICE OR TWICE A MONTH HAVE THEM COME BY IN THE CLEAR BAGS WE CAN PURCHASE EXTRA BAGS IF WE SO NEED. I PLAN ON USING THE SERVICE AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO USE IT TO.

PLEASE LOOK INTO IT. I THINK THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN A SOUND LIKE LOVE IT IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BUS BUSINESS. THEY JUST TRY TO SEE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES CAN HELP. THANK YOU.

>> STILL IN THE PUBLIC, ON ITEM 17.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS TIME.

>> MY NAME IS DIANE BENNETT I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE, TEXAS.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR NICK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE END OF ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY TAKE. I WAS DISAPPOINTED WHEN THIS WAS DISCONTINUED THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF POINTS.

AT LEAST A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE RECYCLING BECAUSE I WAS PARTICIPATING IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED BUT I WAS TOLD AT ONE TIME WHEN I INQUIRED ABOUT THIS NOW ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WERE RECYCLING WERE GOING TO BE TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL ANYWAY.

AND CONCERNING OF GOING TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF DOING THOSE THINGS AND SEPARATING AND TAKING ALL OF THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE END OF THIS.

HONESTLY I'VE SEEN ARTICLES IN THE PAPER ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE THINGS SENT TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND NO LONGER RECEIVING THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE OVERWHELMED BY THE GARBAGE. THESE ARE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NICK. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE THINGS THAT THEY RECYCLE ARE THEY GOING TO BE TAKEN TO A LANDFILL AFTERWARD PAYING TO HAVE THEM PICK PICK UP.

I THINK THESE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION IF YOU NEED TO VISIT WITH NICK ABOUT. ANYONE ELSE? IF YOU COULD VISIT WITH HER AFTER, PLEASE.

>> UP CLOSE THE PUBLIC. AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS THE CITY HAD TRIED TO DO BEFORE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WHOLESALERS

TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS. >> IS TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY

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BUSINESS IS COMING TO DO THIS. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> IT'S A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE A GLASS CRUSHER.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE LANGUAGE IF YOU CHARGE A FEE.

>> STANLEY? IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOR AND PICK UP THE LIMBS

THAT BLUE IN MY YARD. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CALLISTER SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM PRICE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION A READY TO GO.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER MCALLISTER. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PRICE.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BEARD. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VACANT.

[18. Discussion: Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on the Sanctuary City for the Unborn Ordinance to better understand the impact of the ordinance. In posting this agenda heading, the City is categorically declaring that there is not an interest on the part of the City Council to repeal the Ordinance, but rather to understand if elements of the Ordinance need to be clarified or amended to address unintended consequences.]

>> COUNCILMAN BRIGADE. >> AMIR HURTS.

>> MOTION CARRIES. >> WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 18, DISCUSSION OF SANCTUARY CITY FOR ORDINANCE, ROBERT CAN YOU SIT

PRECEDENCE FOR THIS PLEASE. >> YES MAYOR.

STAFF WROTE THE AGENDA HEADING SPECIFICALLY BASED OFF COUNSEL DIRECTION. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THERE IS ONE MEMBER IN THE AUDIENCE WHO E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY AND SAID ARE YOU ALL GOING TO TALK ABOUT REPEALING THE ORDINANCE AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO, COUNSEL FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE MADE A DECISION IN THE DETERMINATION OF THE BALLOT BOX AND THEY FEEL HONOR BOUND IN DUTY BOUND TO ABIDE BY THE VOTER DECISION. THIS IS OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS.

THE QUESTION BEFORE THEM THE ONE THAT THEY ASKED CONSISTENTLY AND WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. NOW THAT THE ORDINANCE IS BEEN EFFECTIVE ARE THE THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE CAUSING THE ARTWORK IN THE WAY WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

THIS IS A LARGE ORDINANCE THAT HAS MANY MOVING PARTS TO IT AND THEY'RE ASKING THE QUESTION OF THE COMMUNITY ARE THERE PORTIONS OF THIS THING THAT ARE WORKING THAT PEOPLE DID NOT EXPECT TO MEDICINE PRESCRIPTION, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AND IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WERE NO OUTCOMES OR DECISIONS MADE.

WE WROTE THE LANGUAGE CLEARLY AS A DISCUSSION.

AND I WILL READ IT SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE WROTE AND WHY.

TO HOLD A DISCUSSION AND A PUBLICAN ON THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THE ORDINANCE. IN POSTING THIS AGENDA HEADING, THE CITY IS CATEGORICALLY DECLARING THAT THERE IS NOT AN INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL TO REPEAL THE ORDINANCE, BUT RATHER TO UNDERSTAND IF ELEMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE NEED TO BE CLARIFIED OR AMENDED TO ADDRESS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENT IS. THERE MAY BE NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENT IS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, NOT TO SPEAK FOR COUNSEL BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF CHANGING ORDINANCE. IF THEY HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT COULD BE OR MAYBE OUGHT TO BE AMENDED OR TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT, THEY MAY DECIDE TO DO THAT.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

IT IS NOT TO REPEAL, THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN.

THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO BE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN AND EVERY COUNSEL LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IS THE PEOPLE THIS IS THE WAY GOVERNMENT WORKS.

>> BEFORE HERE PUBLIC HEARING WAS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST? AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND CITY FOR THE RECORD. WE DO HAVE SOME CARDINAL ASK EVERYONE TO BE CONSIDERATE AND COURTEOUS TO EVERYONE ELSE SPEAKING. THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. LET'S BE COURTEOUS AND HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION PLEASE. WE WILL START WITH CARDS.

>> ROB WILEY. >> SPINNAKER MORNING THERE, CITY COUNCIL I AM ROB WILEY AND PRESIDENT OF ABILENE, TEXAS AND A PEDIATRICIAN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 30 YEARS SERVING AS CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER AT HENRY HEALTH.

SANCTITY OF LIFE IS FOUNDATIONAL.

IT IS A CORNERSTONE IN WHO I AM IT IS MY BEING AND WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ A

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OBS ARE COMMITTED TO THE HEALTH CARE AND BEST OUTCOMES.

NONETHELESS PREGNANCY IS A HIGH RISK TIME IN SEVERE MEDICAL CONDITIONS CAN THREATEN WOMEN'S HEALTH, HER POTENTIAL TO HAVE BABIES IN THE FUTURE AND EVEN HER LIFE.

TODAY PHYSICIANS AND ABILENE CAN NO LONGER PROVIDE COMPLETE COMPASSIONATE MEDICAL CARE. THESE MOST VULNERABLE WOMEN NEED. TODAY I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO USE AN EXAMPLE TO USE A FICTIONAL PATIENT T EXPLAIN WORLD WORLD CONSEQUENT AS OF THIS ORDINANCE.

ABBY HAS A HEART FAILURE AND AWAITING HEART TRANSPLANT.

WHEN YOUR CONTRACEPTION FAILS AND SHE BECOME PREGNANT.

HER TEAM OF SPECIALISTS HAVE GATHERED AND THEY HAVE CONCURRED IN THE WORST NEWS HER RISK IS 70% OF SEVERE OBLIGATIONS OR EVEN DEATH. TYPICALLY IN THE PAST THESE HARD DISCUSSIONS WOULD OCCUR BETWEEN ABBY AND HER DOCTOR THAT SHE TRUST. THE BACKBONE TO A PHYSICIAN-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP IS COMMUNICATION.

ETHICAL GUIDELINES ARE VITAL TO THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE.

IF THESE ARE GONE WHEN A PHYSICIAN IS HELD HOSTAGE WITH THREATS OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES. IT AFFECTS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE CLEAR COMMUNICATION TO THAT PATIENT.

THERE IS NO OTHER MEDICAL CIRCUMSTANCE THEN WHEN A PHYSICIAN CAN FACE INCARCERATION BY PROVIDING THE HIGHEST QUALITY LOCAL CARE. IN CLOSING I WOULD REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL TO REVISIT THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. >> DARLA AVERY.

>> ALL SPEAK IN HER POSITION. >> IS THE SUPPORT FOR SANCTUARY

CITY ORDINANCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> SABRINA ELLIOTT. >> GOOD MORNING I'M SABRINA ELLIOTT I'M A LICENSED MIDWIFE AM A PROFESSIONAL MIDWIFE IN THIS TOWN I RESIGNED AND ABILENE DID HAVE AN OFFICE HERE AND ONE IN SAINT ANGELO BOTH BECAME SANCTUARY CITY'S OF THE UNBORN RECENTLY. A CARE FOR WOMEN OVER 120-MILE RADIUS OF ABILENE AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS I'M ATTENDED HOMEBIRTH 30 OR 40 MINUTES FROM THE NEAREST HOSPITAL.

THREE WEEKS AGO TODAY I ATTENDED ONE IN A RURAL TEXAS TOWN.

MIDWIVES ARE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHTS TO CARRY MEDICATION WITHOUT A PHYSICIAN GIVING STANDING ORDERS TO THEM.

LUCKILY I HAVE A GREAT DOCTOR WHO PROVIDES ME WITH THOSE.

THE MOST IMPORTANT DRUGS THAT I CARRY OUR ANTI-HEMORRHAGE DRUGS SUCH AS PITOCIN, METH URGENT, TSA BUT ALSO MEISTER PROPOSAL WHICH IS KNOWN AS A SIDE ATTACK. IT IS THE EASIEST OF ALL DRUGS TO USE THAT IT'S CHEAP, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REFRIGERATED AND CAN BE GIVEN BY MOUTH. VAGINALLY OR RECTALLY WITHOUT AN INJECTION. ITS ORIGINAL USE WAS ALSO USED IN USING THE OFF LABEL CAN SAVE LIVES.

AT THE BIRTH I ATTENDED THREE WEEKS AGO I HAD TO USE EVERY ONE OF MY ANTI-HEMORRHAGE DRUGS. TO STOP A POSTPARTUM LEAD YOU TO RETAIN PLACENTA TO SAVE MESSAGES LIKE.

INTERESTING FACT, DID YOU KNOW IF YOU GO WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY THAT SOME PARAMEDICS HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANY MORE THAN TRANSFER YOU TO THE HOSPITAL THEY CANNOT DO AN IV, THEY CANNOT GIVE MEDICATIONS. IT'S A SCARY THING TO COME ACROSS. THE WOMAN THAT I WAS TREATING WAS 30 MINUTES FROM HOSPITAL AND EMTS CANNOT GIVE US MEDICATIONS OR START AN IV. HOW DID WE SAFER.

SHE IS ALIVE AND ABLE TO LEAVE THE HOSPITAL THE VERY NEXT MORNING, CARRYING OUT HER BRAND-NEW BABY, WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE, THE DRUGS THAT WERE GIVEN AND AVAILABLE WERE SOME OF THE ANTI-HEMORRHAGE MEDICATIONS. YOU SEE THE PARAMEDICS RELIED ON MY MEDICATION AND MY AUTHORITY TO DISPENSE HIS MEDICATIONS TO SAVE THIS WOMAN WHILE HE DID BY MANUAL COMPRESSION ON HER UT UTERUS. IF I HAD CHOSEN TO LEAVE MY AS AN OPTION I'M CONVINCED SHE MAY NOT OF SURVIVE.

AS A HOME WILL BIRTH MIDWIFE VERSUS A NORMAL LIFE PROCESS

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>> I NEED YOU TO WIND IT UP. >> THE LAW WAS NOT CLEAR.

NOBODY COULD TELL ME HOW TO PROCEED.

IN FACT I WAS TOLD MY BEST OPTION WAS TO SUE THE CITY.

MOSTLY A RULE FOLLOWER BY NATURE AND I DON'T LIKE GETTING INTO TROUBLE BUT I ASKED WITH THE FINE WOULD BE AND I WAS TOLD $2000 PER OFFENSE. HOWEVER, IT SEEMED THE LAW WAS WRITTEN POORLY AND HAS NO REAL TEETH AND AT TIMES IT SEEMS TO

BE CONTRADICTORY IS OVER. >> I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> PLEASE ALLOW YOUR STATEMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. LET'S BE COURTEOUS TO EVERYONE.

>> MARIE AND I PRONOUNCING A CORRECTLY.

>> TERESA. >> HELLO I AM TERESA ABILENE RESIDENT. A U.S. CITIZEN.

MY COMMENTS ARE STRICTLY MY OPINIONS AND BELIEFS.

ORDINANCE 592022 IS HISTORICAL IMPERFECT AND SOMEBODY WAYS TO PROTECT ALL LIFE NO MATTER HOW SMALL, FRAGILE, HELPLESS, DEPENDENT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES PROTECTION.

YES NOVEMBER 8 PASSED BY THE CITIZENS OVER SEVEN MONTHS AGO I STILL CANNOT FIND A SIGNED COPY. I DO NOT CONCUR WITH RECENT COMMENTS OF MODIFICATION, REVISION ALTERATION, ADJUSTMENTS EVEN BEFORE SIGNED. WILL WE EVER BE 100% OF AGREEMENT IN WORDS AND OUTCOME TO OUR RIGHT TO VOTE.

WILL LEGISLATION, DEBATES, DISAGREEMENTS CONTINUE FOR YEARS TO COME, ABSOLUTELY. EVERY WORD IN THE ORDINANCE RECEIVED IN EVERY WORD IN UNISON WITH LEGAL PROCEDURE IN THE LAW AS PRESENTABLE. CONCERNS ON THE LENGTH OF THE PAGES OF THE ORDINANCE IS ALSO HISTORICAL IMPERFECT TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE SECTION 15 OF THEM AND ALL THEY PROVIDE THE BASIS BY WHICH LAW WAS WRITTEN SO WANTED SOMEONE FOR EACH SECTION PURPOSE IS RELATIVE TO THE CITY GOVERNMENTS, THE REDUNDANT CAN BE EASILY AND AS NEEDED QUICKLY INSERTED AS IS INTO EACH SECTION OF THE CITY BOOKS, WHY IS IT SO LONG BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE.

ENFORCEMENT, INSURANCE AND HEALTH CONCERNS ARE PARTICULARLY OF THE MOTHER'S HEALTH IS AND WILL REMAIN IN CONVERSATION AND QUITE FRIENDLY SHOULD BE IN CITIES AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. THESE CONCERNS, ONCE THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN WAS ENACTED AND PUT INTO PLACE SEEM TO DIFFUSE. WHY DO YOU THINK ONE IS IN PLACE? LIABILITY CONCERNS FOR THIS APPLICABLE CIVIL ORDINANCE PROTECTOR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND CITIZENS AND DOES NOT INCLUDE CRIMINAL LAW AGAINST THE PREGNANT WOMAN SEEKING OR ABORTING HER LIFE IN THE.

I REPEAT CIVIL LAW DOCUMENT EMPHASIS ADDED IS NOT CRIMINAL LAW AND PROVIDES ALL OF HER COMMUNITY WITH A CLEAR PATH TO CONTINUE AND PERFORM THEIR JOB AS A LEADER AND DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE DOCTOR'S DECISION REGARDING LIFE-THREATENING OR SIMILAR HEALTH AND SAFETY SAVING DECISIONS. WHAT REMAINS COMPLETION OF THE CITIES VOTE ON NOVEMBER 8 BY SIGNING ORDINANCE 592022 IS WRITTEN ALL OF US PARTICIPATING UNDERSTANDING THE ELEMENTS THERE ARE SOME SYMPTOMS WITH THIS ELEMENTS SOME SYMPTOMS FOR THE NEED TO CLARIFY THE SENTIMENTS THEY ALTER, CHANGE, MODIFY, RESHAPE, REFORM, SYNONYMS TO ADDRESS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES INCLUDING TARGET, COST, JUST REALLY PROBABLY REMADE IN SUPPORT OF VENUS SANCTUARY CITY OR THE UNBORN AND PROBABLY JOIN THE STATEWIDE EFFORT TO PROTECT LIFE, ALL LIFE AND I DO NOT ACCEPT ANY ACTIONS ALTERING MY BOOK.

WE ARE STILL ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS US ALL.

>> CHELSEA MARTIN. >> FIRST IS CHESLEY MARTIN.

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MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, JANE IS A 45 YEAR ATTORNEY, LICENSE ATTORNEY AND WITH THE FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL FOR HOSPITAL SYSTEM. MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MY NAME IS JANE BEARD AND I LIVE IN ABILENE CITY LIMITS. A PRESCIENT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK CONCERNING SANCTUARY CITY OR THE SO-CALLED SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE IS FATALLY FLAWED THE ORDINANCE IS SO POORLY DRAFTED THAT IT WOULD'VE EARNED AN F IN THE LEGISLATIVE DRAFTING COURSE I TOOK IN MOSCOW. I WILL GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES THERE ARE MANY MORE. NUMBER ONE ORDINANCE REQUIRES CITY OFFICIALS REPORT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ANY EMPLOYER WHO OFFERS EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT COVERS ABORTION BUT IT FAILS TO DEFINE THE TERM CITY OFFICIAL.

IF THE CITY OFFICIAL THE MAYOR, THE FIRE CHIEF, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, NO WINDOWS.

THE ORDINANCE MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO OFFER ABORTION DO LIST SERVICES BUT IT DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT ABORTION DO LIST SERVICES ARE. I LOOKED IN GOOGLE CANNOT DEFINE IT. NUMBER THREE MOST CONCERNING THE FACT THAT THE DEFINITION OF ABORTION UNDER THE LOCAL ORDINANCE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE IN THE TEXAS STATUTE.

OUR ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWS FOR THE REMOVAL OF A DEAD UNBORN CHILD IF THE DEATH WAS CAUSED BY ACCIDENTAL MISCARRIAGE OR A TOPIC PREGNANCY. THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF ACCIDENTAL MISCARRIAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.

ACCIDENTAL MISCARRIAGE IS NOT A MEDICAL TERM.

WHAT IS IT? MISCARRIAGE AS A RESULT OF A CAR ACCIDENT. WHAT IF THE WOMAN LOSES A CHILD AS A RESULT OF FAMILY VIOLENCE. CAN THE DOCTOR REMOVE THE BODY OF THE DEAD INFANT, PROBABLY NOT A WAS NOT AN ACCIDENTAL MISCARRIAGE. BY CONTRAST THE TEXAS STATUTE ALLOWS REMOVAL OF THE DATA FOR OF A SPONTANEOUS ABORTION WHICH IS RECOGNIZED MEDICAL TERM. SO UNLIKE WOMEN IN OTHER AREAS OF TEXAS A WOMAN IN ABILENE WOULD HAVE TO CARRY THE DEBT AND FIT IN HER BODY UNLESS SHE CAN FIND A WAY TO PREVENT THE BABY'S DEATH WAS CAUSED BY AN ACCIDENTAL MISCARRIAGE OR UNTIL THE BABY DECOMPOSES IN HER BODY AND THE MOTHER'S LIFE IS AT RISK DUE TO SUBSTANCE. JUST THIS WEEK THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A MEMO THAT ALLOWS FOR THE REMOVAL OF A BABY IN THE EVENT OF A PROFITABLE PREMATURE RUPTURE OF MEMBRANES.

WHILE THAT IS NOW THE LAW IN TEXAS.

IT IS NOT A LOT IN ABILENE. WHAT SHOULD A DOCTOR DO.

HERE SHE CANNOT BE SUED UNDER TEXAS LAW IF THEY REMOVE THE CHILD WHO CANNOT SURVIVE THE RUPTURE.

ABILENE DOCTOR AND STILL BE SUED UNDER OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN ABORTION ISSUE IN ABILENE WHEN THIS WAS PASSED.

WE HAVE ONE NOW BECAUSE OF THE POORLY DRAFTED ILL CONSIDERED ORDINANCE REBUTS VIA PRO-LIFE COMMUNITY AND ABORT CONFUSION AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENT IS VIOLATING THE LEGISLATURE DETERMINE THE LAW AS IT RELATES TO ABORTION LETTING OUR LOCAL DOCTORS EXERCISE HER MEDICAL JUDGMENT AND LIMITING ORDINANCE TO PROPER CITY FUNCTIONS. THANK YOU SPIVAK PETER NORTON.

PETER NORTON? HE LISTED HIS POSITION AS OPPOSITION AGAIN. I THOUGHT.

DIANE BENNETT. >> I CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK.

>> TF THE WORK DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT FOR THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

LIZ PICKENS IN SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE YOU LIZ? >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF OUR ORDINANCE. WERE THE 43RD CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT IS BECOMING SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN.

THESE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2018 AND OTHER CITIES AND THERE HAVE BEEN LEGAL CHALLENGES ATTEMPTED AND THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN STRENGTHENED FOR THE LEGAL CHALLENGES WOULD BE ADDRESSED. YOU BEEN GIVEN A PACKET OF INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE THINGS. I HADN'T BEEN PASSED OUT TO YOU AND GET YOU WILL RECEIVE IT. BUT THE LANGUAGE IS DRAFTED THAT

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THE STRENGTHENING OF THE LANGUAGE OF OUR ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE IN LUBBOCK FOR EXAMPLE HAS HELPED MAKE IT TO WHERE IT IS MORE IMPERVIOUS TO LEGAL CHALLENGES AND THAT YOU AS A COUNSEL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THERE IS A CLEAR STANDARD OF CARE FOR MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT ABORTION CARE IS IN CARE FOR THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER IS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CONCERN FOR DOCTORS TO BE ABLE TO APPROPRIATELY TREAT WOMEN THAT ARE IN DANGER WITH THE PREGNANCY. I THINK THE LAWS ARE SPELLED OUT VERY CLEARLY ON A TEXAS STANDPOINT AND FROM A ORDINANCE STANDPOINT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE ORDINANCE STRONG AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> I BELIEVE EDNA OR SAYS NO CHANGES TO THE SANCTUARY CITY LAW.

>> JENNIFER BELL. >> MY NAME IS JENNIFER BELL I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF ABILENE. AND MY HUSBAND IS A LIFELONG RESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE.

FIRST ON THE DRUG IN ANY GENERIC COUNTERPARTS.

AS AN EXPECTANT MOTHER THE AMBIGUITY OF THE BAND IS QUITE CONCERNING FOR ME. IT IS MORE THAN JUST AN ABORTION DRUG IT'S BEEN ROUTINELY USED TO STOP POSTPARTUM HEMORRHAGING WHICH IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF MATERNAL DEATH.

IT'S UNCLEAR TO PROVIDERS AS YOU'VE HEARD WHETHER OR NOT THE DRUG CAN BE ILLEGALLY USED FOR THIS PURPOSE, THEY MUST MAKE A CHOICE AS TO EITHER BREAK THE LAW POTENTIALLY OR RISK THE PATIENT'S LIFE PRE-PROPONENTS OF THE ORDINANCE WILL SAY THE INTENT IS TO ONLY BAND WHEN INDUCING AN ABORTION BUT IT'S A LETTER ABOVE ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT NOT THE INTENT.

SECOND THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.

ONE PERSON SUING ANOTHER WITH NO DAMAGES TO THE PLAINTIFF HAVE OCCURRED IS NOTHING SHORT OF YOUR CHROMIUM THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE A STATUE LIMITATION DIRECTLY RESULTING IN THE POTENTIAL FOR MY HUSBAND, BUT ONCE AN ENTIRE CARE TEAM TO RETROACTIVELY FACE CYNICAL AND CRIMINAL CHARGES.

IN 2010 WE LEARNED WE WERE EXPECTING HER FIRST CHILD AND WERE DEVASTATED TO LEARN THAT SHE WOULD NOT SURVIVE DUE TO A LEGAL FATAL ABNORMALITY. NOT ONLY WOULD SHE NOT SURVIVE SHE WAS STARVING AND SUFFOCATING WHILE I WAS CARRYING HER.

PERIOD AFTER MULTIPLE ULTRASOUNDS AND OPINIONS FROM MULTIPLE DOCTORS WE MADE THEM POSSIBLE DECISION TO INDUCE LABOR. THIS COULD ALLOW ME AND MORE PORTLY HER TO RECEIVE PAIN MEDICATION.

THE MOST WE CAN DO AS PARENTS WAS MAKER DEATH AS PEACEFUL AS POSSIBLE. HER DEATH WAS INEVITABLE PROLONGING HER SUFFERING WOULD'VE BEEN CRUEL.

TO BE CLEAR WE WANTED OUR DAUGHTER BUT WE ARE ABORTION STATISTIC DUE TO HER GESTATIONAL AGE.

THANK YOU. I GAVE BIRTH TO MY DAUGHTER BUT I AM AN ABORTION STATISTIC. ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM ALLOWS FOR MY HUSBAND TO NOW BE SUED AND POSSIBLY CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS PERFECTLY WITHIN THE LEGALITY OF THE LOT THE TIME IN THEHE STANDARD OF PRACTICE PER THE PEOPLE WHO BACK THE ORDINANCE WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE SAVING BABIES AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THEIR PURPOSE IN SAVING BABIES IS A WORTHY CAUSE, THEY WILL NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NOT ALL BABIES CAN BE SAVED.

WE ARE COLLATERAL DAMAGE AND DISMISSED AS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE WERE A SMALL MINORITY. THEY WILL TELL YOU THE ORDINANCE PROTECTS WOMEN BUT IT DOES NOT PROTECT ALL WOMEN.

THIS ORDINANCE PUTS WOMEN IN FAMILY AND HER DANGER AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND CORRECT ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENT SUBORDINATES.

THANK YOU. >> APRIL BRANDON.

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>> MY NAME IS APRIL BRANDON AND I LIVE IN ABILENE.

MY STORY IS PERSONAL AND USUALLY WOULD BE PRIVATE BUT THIS EXPERIENCE WAS DICTATED BY THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE WHICH MADE MY PERSONAL HEALTHCARE A PUBLIC ISSUE.

LAST SUMMER I THOUGHT I HAD EARLY MENOPAUSE SYSTEMS, MISSED PERIODS AND LONG-LASTING. BUT IN OCTOBER I BEGAN PASSING BLOOD CLOTS THE SIZE OF MY FIST AND WENT TO THE ER WHERE THEY FOUND LARGE OVARIAN CYST. A FOLLOW-UP APPOINTMENT WE DECIDED TO DO AN ENDOMETRIAL BIOPSY WHICH IS USUALLY UNCOMFORTABLE BUT WHEN WE BEGIN WE FOUND BECAUSE MY UTERUS WAS SO FAR TILTED IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY PAINFUL.

I WAS SWEATING TRY NOT TO SCREAM AND SHE WAS APOLOGIZING AND TRYING TO COMFORT ME WHILE GETTING THE SAMPLE THAT I NEEDED FOR MY DIAGNOSIS. SHE STOPPED AND HAD ME TAKE A BREAK AND SAID WITH A LOOK OF DESPAIR AND HOPELESSNESS ON HER FACE THAT I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT IF IT WERE A COUPLE MONTHS EARLIER THIS WOULD'VE GONE VERY DIFFERENTLY.

WE WOULD'VE STOPPED RIGHT THERE AND SHE WOULD'VE SENT ME HOME WITH A PRESCRIPTION FOR CITED TECH OF DRUG THAT CAN ALSO BE USED TWO INDUCED ABORTINS BUT IN MY CASE AS A NONPREGNANT PERSON WOULD SOFTEN AND OPEN MY CERVIX OVERNIGHT AND WE WOULD TRY AGAIN THE NEXT DAY WITH A LIKELY MUCH EASIER PROCEDURE BUT NOW BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE Z DRUG WAS BANNED INSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, CONTRABAND AND EXCRUCIATING 10 MINUTES LATER WHICH INCLUDED THE INSTRUMENT THAT WAS HOLDING MY CERVIX OPEN GETTING STUCK AND SUCTIONED INTO MY CERVIX.

OUCH. THEY HAD THEIR SAMPLE AND I LEFT THE OFFICE AND PAIN AND FEELING VIOLATED BIDEN ORDINANCE THAT WAS VOTED ON BY MY NEIGHBORS. AFTER I RECOVERED I FOLLOWED UP WITH MY DOCTOR AND SHE SAID EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT PREGNANT IN THE INTENTION OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO BAN ABORTION, THE VAGUE AND MISLEADING WORDING DOES NOT MAKE THAT CLEAR ENOUGH SO PHARMACIES IN TOWN WERE UNWILLING TO FILL IT PREGNANT OR NOT.

SHE PRESCRIBED IT I WOULD'VE ARGUED ALL NIGHT WITH A PHARMACIST IN MY ORDEAL WOULD'VE BEEN REPEATED THE NEXT DAY.

WE NOW HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE THAT IF I NEED THE PROCEDURE IN THE FUTURE WHICH IS LIKELY ALL NEED TO BE SEDATED AND UNNECESSARY MEDICAL RISK THAT COULD BE PREVENTED BY THE USE OF THIS DRUG. IN MY CASE THIS ORDINANCE CAUSED A NONPREGNANT PERSON TO GO TO EXTREME AND UNNECESSARY PAIN.

CITED TECH AND DRUGS LIKE IT HAVE USES THAT ARE NOT ABORTION RELATED. ELECTIVE ABORTIONS WERE NOT HAPPENING IN ABILENE THANKS TO HOSPITAL POLICIES, TEXAS RB LAW ALL THIS IS DONE IS BECAUSE HER OB/GYN'S TO MAKE PATIENT DECISIONS BASED ON FEAR OF THEIR OWN LIVELIHOODS RATHER THAN WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PATIENT. EVERY PROFESSIONAL I CONSULTANT SAID IT WILL NOT STAND UP IN COURT BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU WHAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN TO GO TO COURT.

SHOULD I HAVE SUED THE CITY FOR MY UNNECESSARY PAIN-AND-SUFFERING, MY HUSBAND WOMAN HAVE TO DIE A POSTPARTUM BLEEDING BECAUSE HER DR. SECOND GUESSES WHILE THEY CONSULT E LAWYERS, THE WATCHDOG VIGILANTE HAS HER WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS RUNNING SCARED AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM PLEASE CLARIFY THE ORDINANCE AND STAND UP FOR THE WOMEN AND DOCTORS OF THIS TOWN. THANK YOU.

>> SCOTT SEYMOUR AM A CITIZEN OF ABILENE AND I WITH I SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCE AND I HOPE YOU WILL KEEP IT INTACT.

THANK YOU. >> SCOTT BEARD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M SCOTT BEARD RESIDENT OF ABILENE, TEXAS. FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY CONGRATULATE RYAN AND BLAISE ON YOUR RECENT ELECTION VICTORIES. HONESTLY AT LEAST IN MY CASE I HOPE FOR A DIFFERENT RESULT WITH THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE SPOKE AND I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT HER DECISION.

IN THE SAME WAY NOVEMBER 2022 THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE SPOKE AND AS A RESULT ABILENE THE SECOND LARGEST CITY IN AMERICA TO BECOME A SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN.

GENTLEMEN JUST LIKE IN THE ELECTION I LOST, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE TO ACCEPT THAT DECISION. THEY BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO DISCUSS A POSSIBILITY OF AMENDING OR MAKING CERTAIN CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE. FRUSTRATING THING I'M ASSUMING AT SOME POINT HE WILL DISCUSS THIS IN THE CHANGES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WILL THE PROPOSED CHANGES GO TO THE PUBLIC RECORD BEFORE THE COUNCIL MAKES THE VOTE TO CHANGE

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BOTH CASES HAD YOU DONE THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE MENDING ORDINANCE.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT IN A RESULT WE PUT A PETITION FORWARD THAT RESULTED IN 12000 SIGNATURES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WITH 7000 OF THOSE CONST SIGNATS FOR FILLING THE NUMBER THAT WE REACHED IN ORDER TO FORCE YOUR HAND TO VOTE FOR THE ORDINANCE AS A CITY COUNCIL OR PUT IT FORWARD ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

THE ORDINANCE WENT TO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND IT PASSED WITH 15000 VOTES WHICH IS A GREAT VICTORY FOR THE UNBORN NOT ONLY A CITY WITH ONWARD ACROSS THE NATION.

I WOULD ADVISE HIS COUNSEL TO STAND OUT IN REGARD TO MAKING ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATION TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORDINANCE AND ANYWAY.

APRIL 2022 WHEN THE ORDINANCE CAME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE IN OR PASSING ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT THEY CHOSE THE LATTER AND COUNCILMAN BEARD, CRAVER AND MCALLISTER MADE THE SAME STATEMENT TO LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.

AND THEY DECIDED AND AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE WAS VOTED INTO LAW.

IF YOU DECIDE TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THEY WOULD NOT ONLY ATTRACT A LOT OF THE NEGATIVE ATTENTION FROM YOUR OWN CITIZENS BUT IT WOULD ATTRACT STATEWIDE ATTENTION AND NATIONAL ATTENTION THAT I BELIEVE WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OR CITY COUNCIL. AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE ARE THOSE THAT CALL THE ORDINANCE EXTREME AND I WOULD SAY NO THAT IS NOT EXTREME TO COMPARE WITH THE EXTREME OF A BABY BEING MURDERED IN HIS MOTHER'S WOMB WE WANT TO MAKE SURE INNER-CITY THAT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. THANK YOU.

>> MARK MANGRUM. >> HE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT HIS COMMENT IS SANCTUARY CITY IS APPROVED BY VOTERS AND DON'T WATER IT DOWN. DENISE OUT HERE IS IN OPPOSITION VERSUS NO REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK THIS IS BRUCE TANKER. >> I DO WISH TO SPEAK.

>> GOOD MORNING MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN ABILENE, TEXAS.

EVEN LISTENING THIS MORNING, YOU CAN TELL THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A CONSENSUS ON THIS ISSUE BUT THE ISSUE DID COME TO VOTE AND THE ISSUE WAS VOTED UPON AND I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY CONSIDER AMENDING SOMETHING THAT IS BECOME LAW.

THAT'S ALMOST LIKE AFTER THE EFFECT OF AN ELECTION SOMEBODY SAYS I DON'T LIKE HOW THE ELECTION TURNED OUT SO LET ME RECONSIDER IT IN CLOSED SESSION AND DISCUSS IT AND SEE IF PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH THE UNHAPPY. THERE WILL NEVER BE A CONSENSUS IN THE CITY OR ANY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES ON THE ISSUE OF THE MURDER OF THE UNBORN BABIES THE CITY HAS SPOKEN IN THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN. MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL IS TO DO WHAT YOU ARE SWORN TO DO AND THAT'S UPHOLD THE LAW. THE LAW IS AND WAS VOTED ON.

YOU PUT IN THE AGENDA THAT WE KNOW WE WISH TO APPEAL IT BUT IF YOU CAN GO IN AND AMEND IT IN A WAY TO REMOVE THE TEETH OF THE ORDINANCE YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE REPEALED IT EVEN WITHOUT USING THE LANGUAGE. THE CONCERN IS NOT THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF ITS EFFECT BUT THE CONCERN IS THE WORDING OF THE WORD. WHEN YOU SAY A MAN THAT MEANS TO CHANGE WHAT IS LAW AND WHAT WAS ELECTED AND VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. THAT IS WHY I AM HERE IN MY GUESTS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS IS BECAUSE WERE WONDERING HOW THE CITY CAN CONSIDER AMENDING A LAW THAT HAS BEEN VOTED ON BY THEMSELVES. THANK YOU.

>> VINCE NIEKRO. >> MY NAME IS VINCE NYGREN A RESIDENT OF ABILENE, TEXAS. THIS MIGHT BE REDUNDANT BUT I

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FROM APRIL 28, 2022 THROUGH NOVEMBER 8, 2022.

CONCERNING THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION TO AMEND THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE CONSIDERED CAREFULLY THE LETTER TO ABILENE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DATED APRIL 24, 2022. PRETTY GUYS MAKE ME NERVOUS CAN I TAKE A BREATH. IS IT GOING TO COST MY TIME.

SORRY. THE CITY MANAGER ROBERT HANNA OFFER GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE MENTIONING PURSUANT SECTION 40 ABILENE CITY CHARTER OF THE COUNCIL SHALL

FFAIL. >> MAY GET A DRINK OF WATER.

>> THE CITY MANAGER ROBERT HANNA OFFER GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE MENTIONING SPECIAL CONSIDERATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 40 ABILENE CITY CHARTER IF THE COUNCIL SHALL FAIL PROPOSED BY A PETITION IN THE EXACT FORM PROPOSED THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SHALL BE SIMILAR TO THE VOTERS.

THE CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO THE CHARTER MAY NOT AMEND OR MODIFY THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED INITIATIVE ORDINANCE THE CITY MANAGER UNDERLINED THE PHRASE IN THE EXACT FORM PROPOSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECALL DIRECT QUOTES FROM SEVERAL OF YOU THAT ARE NOT HEARSAY THE ACTUAL QUOTES FROM YOU GUYS ON THE COUNCIL AT APRIL 20 MEETING. COUNCIL MEMBERS DATED I HAVE NO DOUBT IF THIS WENT TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IT WOULD PASS SO I PREFER WE ACT ON IT TODAY COUNCIL MEMBER MCALLISTER SAID THIS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO TALK TO ME WANT TO LET THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE MAKE THE DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE SEVEN OF US TO MAKE THE DECISION.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCALLISTER WENT ON TO MAKE THE MOTION TO PLACE ON THE BALLOT BY SAYING THIS, PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER ALLOWING EVERY CITIZEN OF ABILENE TO RESEARCH THIS, NOVAVAX AND LET CITIZENS OF ABILENE, LET THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. COUNCIL MEMBER LYNN BEARD OFFERED THESE THOUGHTS. WE AS A COUNSEL AS CITIZENS INITIATIVE PETITION HAVE NO ABILITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING WE CANNOT TWEAK ANY OF THE WORDING AND CANNOT CHANGE IT.

OR, IT'S WRITTEN AS PROPOSED AND WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE IT. I THINK SENDING THIS TO THE BALLOT IS THE MOST PRUDENT COURSE.

COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVIS SAID I'M LEANING TOWARDS HAVING THE OTHER VOTERS HAVING A SAY SO IN THIS. , CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IT TURNS OUT MAYOR HURT CALLED IT. IT WAS BIGGER THAN THE SEVEN OF YOU IN THE MOST PRUDENT COURSE WAS DESCENDED TO THE BALLOT IN ABILENE VOTERS HAD THEIR SAY-SO WITH 14959 VOTES.

>> I NEED YOU TO WIND IT UP. >> ABILENE SPOKE WHEN TWO OF YOU GUYS WERE ELECTED WITH LESS THAN 2500 VOTES EACH.

ABILENE SPOKE WITH THE MOST VOTES OF ANY OF YOU HAD ON THIS BOARD WAS YOU MAYOR HURT WITH 5824 VOTES.

HERE'S AGAIN WITH 15000 ABILENE AND SOME VOTED FOR THIS SUPPORTIVE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE IT DOES NOT DILUTE THE CITY CHARTER AND DO NOT AMEND OR MODIFY THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> PAT VOGEL.

HE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, HE SAYS SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN AS WRITTEN AND PASSED BY THE ELECTION OF THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE. MY NAME IS YORK I'M FROM CISCO SOME FEAR THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE HAS A FAILED FLAW AND WANT TO CHANGE ORDINANCE.

NOTE THE OTHER CITIES SUCH AS LUBBOCK'S BIG SPRING, COLORADO CITY AND DOZENS OF OTHER TOWNS HAVE ENACTED SIMILAR ORDINANCES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND STILL FULLY SUPPORT ORDINANCE AT

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YOUR ORDINANCE IS SIMILAR TO THE TEXAS HEARTBEAT ACT WHICH STANDS TODAY IN SPITE OF LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT FELT IT WAS FLAWED. IN WAYS THAT CONTRADICTS TEXAS LAWS PROHIBITED ABORTION AND YOU WILL EXPOSURE CITIZENS TO EXPENSIVE LAWSUITS. I HAVE THAT FROM SENATOR.

IN AN INTERVIEW YESTERDAY FORMER CITY COUNCILWOMAN DON ALVES MADE THE COMMENT. IF YOU MENTION THE WORD ABORTION YOU CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHICH IS SCARY AND WERE TALKING ABOUT ABORTION TODAY DOES ANYONE EXPECT TO BE ARRESTED? SHE WAS SAYING THE CITIZENS WERE NOT INFORMED HER SHE WAS A COUNCILMAN AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS PAST IN A QUESTION DID SHE FULLY UNDERSTOOD IT. I THINK WE CAN TRUST THE VOTERS.

PRAY THE TRUST IN PUBLIC INSTITUTION HAS PLUMMETED IN RECENT YEARS THE TRUST OF THIS COUNCIL IS IMPERIAL ON THE EIGHTH MONTH AFTER THE CITIZEN OF ABILENE HAVE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CONDUCTED A PETITION REQUIRING THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES. AND TO PASS THE ORDINANCE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE IF YOU THROTTLE THE EXPRESSED WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC TRUST THAT YOU VALUE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

DO NOT UNDERMINE THIS ORDINANCE THE EXPRESSED WILL OF THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE. THANK YOU.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE A POSITION ON HERE.

THAT IS ALL THE CARDS. >> WE ARE STILL THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND CITY FOR THE RECORD. YOU ALREADY SPOKE, MR. BEARD YOU ALREADY SPOKE, YOU CANNOT SPEAK TWICE.

>> SOME FOLKS DO THAT. >> NOT ON THE SAME ITEM, I APOLOGIZE. ANYONE ELSE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> AMY BOONE ABILENE, TEXAS. POINTS OF CONCERN ABILENE CITY CHARTER DOES NOT SPECIFY THE VALID ORDINANCE IS CONTAINED LEGAL OR TRUE IDEAS. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SIGNATURES. THE ITEMS IN THE SANCTUARY CITY ORDINANCE THAT ARE FALSE, ILLEGAL AND ANTI-CONSTITUTION.

NOT TO MENTION LIFE-THREATENING TO WOMEN WHO ARE HIM INJURY AFTER DELIVERY OR MISCARRIAGE. IT ALSO STIFLES DOCTORS ABILITY TO PRACTICE MEDICINE AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER OATH.

PAGE ONE OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE FINDINGS SECTION REPEATEDLY MENTIONED ROE V. WADE WHICH IS NOW BEEN DISMANTLED SO THE FINDINGS ARE NO LONGER ACCURATE. AND DECLARATION THREE REGARDING MEDICATION THE FDA HAS DEEMED THE NAME DRUGS SAFE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS SAID LOCAL OR STATE ENTITIES CANNOT SAY SAFE MEDICATION IS UNLAWFUL SO THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE SEEMS TO BE IN ERROR. WHAT ARE THE MAIN MEDICATIONS LISTED AS MS. SO FAR SAW IS TO STOP HEMORRHAGING GIVEN BIRTH OA MISCARRIAGE IS A LIFE-SAVING DRUG.

THERE'S A SECTION STATED BE ILLEGAL TO TRANSPORT SOMEONE TO PROVIDE ABORTION CARE WHICH YOU BE ANOTHER STATE.

INTERSTATE TRAVEL IS A PROTECTED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

AND HOW WOULD IT GO AGAINST A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

SPEAKING OF THE CONSTITUTION THE ORDINANCE SEEMS TO DEMO GREAT THE CONSTITUTION AND 291 SPECIFICALLY E2 WHEN IT SAYS THE DEFENDANT'S BELIEF ABOUT CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE MATTER IS IRRELEVANT. SURELY AN ORDINANCE CANNOT HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT SEEMS TO THROW OUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS CONSTITUTIONAL. THE WEBSITE IN WHICH THE ORDINANCE IS LOCATED INCLUDES FALSE HEALTH CLAIMS A BREAST CANCER, PRETERM BIRTH AND MENTAL HEALTH IT SEEMS THE CITY WOULD BE RESOLUTE ON NOT AFFILIATED WITH MESSAGING THAT CONTAINS ACTUAL FAKE NEWS. ACCURATE INFORMATION IS VERIFIABLE WITH ANY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.

THERE IS EXTENSIVE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE AND COMPANIES THAT DO BUSINESS IN ABILENE CANNOT PROVIDE ABORTION CARE AND THE HEALTH BENEFITS. THERE ARE MANY BUSINESSES OPERATE IN ABILENE THAT PROVIDE BENEFITS AND COST FOR ABORTION CARE INCLUDING AMAZON, CVS, BANK OF AMERICA, EBAY, UBER, STARBUCKS, WEIGHT WATCHERS, TARGET AND OTHERS UNLESS THE ORDINANCE IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY THESE COMPANIES MAY NEED TO LEAVE TOWN. INTERESTING.

THE ORDINANCE DEFINES MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ABORTION STABLE LIFE AND PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF AN UNBORN CHILD, REMOVING DEAD

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WILL THE DOCTOR BE CHARGED MURDER OF THE MOTHER TO THE FAMILY SUED THE CITY OF ABILENE COULD THE DOCTOR SUED THE CITY FOR NOT ALLOWING HIM TO PRACTICE ON MEDICINE.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COUNSEL I AM MARIE I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE I KNOW I CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK BEFORE. I CAN'T SIT HERE AND NOT SAY SOMETHING. THERE'S A LOT OF MISREPRESENTATION THIS MORNING. FIRST OF ALL TO MENSA GO OUR FIFTH GRANDCHILD RATHER WAS BORN IN THE NIGHT BEFORE I KNOW SHE SAID SHE WAS UNABLE TO RECEIVE A MEDICINE THAT WOULD SOFTEN HER CERVIX. MY DAUGHTER HAD THAT VERY I DON'T KNOW WHO'S THE SAME ONE OR SIDE EFFECT BUT SHE HAD SOMETHING THE NIGHT BEFORE TO SOFTEN HER CERVIX BEFORE SHE WAS INDUCE AN EXPERT IN. ALSO SOMETHING DONNA SAID WAS IT TURNS NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR. IN FAMILY MEMBER AGAINST FAMILY MEMBER. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.

THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE ABORTIONIST.

IT IS NOT TO THE MOTHER AND OF COURSE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER IS ALWAYS GOOD TO BE PRESERVED. THAT IS NEVER A QUESTION.

THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER WILL ALWAYS BE PRESERVED.

I WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION SO MANY MONTHS AFTER THIS HAS BEEN PASSED WHEN NOTHING HAS COME FORWARD. HAS THERE BEEN AN ISSUE? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE POKING THE BEAR AND TRYING TO STRIP PUBLIC OUTCRY FOR SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE COME FORWARD ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> TAMMY VOGEL I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE.

WHEN I'M FINISHED SPEAKING I WILL PASS THESE OUT TO YOU.

YOU KNOW HOW I LOVE MEETING PACKETS.

I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE THE FIRST CITIZEN TO CREATE MY OWN FOR THE COUNCIL, I'M JUST KIDDING I HAD HELP CREATING THIS.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT I NOTICED I LOOKED BACK AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CONFUSION IS.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT IS GOING ON AND I HEAR ONE SIDE BEING COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD AND TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BUT I DON'T HEAR THE OTHER SIDE.

FOR EXAMPLE LIKE THE NEWS REPORT LAST NIGHT PRESENTED ONE SIDE OF THE ORDINANCE. IT DID NOT PRESENT THE OTHER SIDE. I HAVE HEARD REFERRED PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL SAY IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO PREVENT ABORTION FROM HAVING CITY LIMITS.

THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE A RIGHT TO AN ABORTION, THEN ABORTION IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE SPEAK THAT WE HAVE EVIDENCE AND RECEIPTS TO BACKUP WHAT WE SAY.

I BROUGHT UP SOME THINGS AT A PANEL IN OCTOBER THAT HAD A DOCTOR ON WHO TREATED OVER 40000 WOMEN AND SHE SAID.0 1% OF THE WOMEN HAVE EVER HAD TO HAVE THEIR LIFE-THREATENING DUE TO PREGNANCY AND SHE IS ABLE TO BRING THE BABY.

I KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE TO SOME PEOPLE AND IT SIGNIFICANT THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WHICH IS FUNNY WE HAVE TO GO TO THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW NOT JUST A LETTER AND WE FOCUSED ON THE LETTER WAY TOO MUCH. THE SPIRIT WE WANT TO PROTECT THE LIFE AND WE GO ABOUT IT HOW WE CAN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT LIBERTY DOCTORS FROM PROCEDURES THAT DO NOT INVOLVE ABORTIONS. THE ORDINANCE IS CLEAR IT'S AS IF YOU'RE NOT USING. IT'S CLEAR AND EXPLAINING HOW LEGAL TERMS THAT I'M NOT GOOD AT, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT MEAN IT'S CLEAR IT DOES NOT MEAN IT MAKES SENSE. I CHALLENGE I HEARD MANY PEOPLE SPEAK THAT I INTERACTED WITH AND HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS THEY BROUGHT FORTH TODAY FOR THE SAME CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD SINCE NOVEMBER AND THE SAME BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THEY'RE NOT LISTENING AND DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WILLING TO HEAR THE FACTS AND YOU THE INFORMATION.

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WE ARE NOT ABOUT LOOKING AT ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE ORDINANCE WERE LOOKING AT HOW IT SERVING TO PROTECT CHILDREN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS OF THE ORDINANCE TODAY THAT WAS JUST PAST. I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO MICROMANAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING RECYCLING BUT THAT'S ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED. I'M NOT INNOCENT YOUR NITPICK EVERY ORDINANCE BUT THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE LIFE OF THE CHILD. THE WOMAN ALWAYS COMES INTO PLAY BEFORE THE CHILD THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW TERMINATION OF PREGNANCY, WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT IN ABILENE BECAUSE OF THE SANCTUARY CITY IN ABORTIONS WERE HAPPENING IN ABILENE AND WE DON'T WANT TO KID OURSELVES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE.

THANK YOU. >> HELLO MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS JEFF THATCHER I'M A CITY SINCE 1977.

I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE AND THAT I HAVE SOMETHING TO READ TO YOU FROM SENATOR CHARLES.

MY OWN PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT NAUSEA HIM AND IT'S GONE TO THE VOTERS AND THEY HAVE VOTED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON. IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON, KEEPING THIS OUT THERE AND PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER WERE NEVER TO BE 100% OF AGREEMENT IN THE CITY ON THIS.

I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON I WANT TO READ THIS FROM SENATOR.

, THE VOTERS BY PETITION VOTED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT UNBORN LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. HE SHOULD BE CONCERNING THAT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS BY THE NEW COUNSEL IS TO CONSIDER OVERTURNING OR ALTERING THE VOTERS WILL CREATE A FALSE

NARRATIVE. >> NUMBER OUTBURST.

THANK YOU. >> YOU SCARED THE H HECK OUT O

ME. >> SINCE ITS ENACTMENT CANNOT BE THE BASIS FOR CHANGING THE VOTERS WILL THE ORDINANCE OFFERS PROTECTION FROM PROCESS FROM CONCEPTION TO HARPY.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS AGENDA ITEM BE REMOVED WHICH IS A LITTLE LATE FOR THAT AND FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION TO SAY THE LITIGATION COST OF THE LOCAL TAXPAYER AT THE CITY CHOOSES TO VIOLATE THE LAW IN SPIRIT WITH TEXAS ON SANCTITY OF LIFE, TEXAS HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE AND TO VIOLATE STATE LAW THROUGH LOCAL ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE IS WELL KNOWN ACCORDINGLY WAS LEFT TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE, THE VOTERS DECIDED.

YOUR ACTION TODAY WILL SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO HOW THIS COUNCIL WILL COVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

A COUNSEL THAT RESPECTS THE VOTER OR A COUNSEL WITH NO RESPECT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS YOU SWEAR TO UPHOLD.

>> I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE. I JUST CAME TO LISTEN THIS ONE BECAUSE I WAS SURPRISED THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA AND I THOUGHT THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN. I CERTAINLY FELT LIKE MY VOTE HAD SPOKEN AND WAS COUNTED. THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWS THAT I DISAGREE WITH. MY RECOURSE IS TO GO TO THE BALLOT BOX, THOUGHT THAT WAS DECIDED IN NOVEMBER.

I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HONOR THE VOTERS BOOTS. AND NOT TAMPER WITH THIS LAW AND RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE VOTERS.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROBIN AND I LIVE IN ABILENE, TEXAS. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT UNTIL I CAME IN AND SAT AND LISTENED TO EVERYONE ELSE SPEAK AND I GUESS MY INQUIRY IS WHENEVER WE ARE HEARING WHENEVER WERE HEARING ABOUT THE MEDICINE USED FOR ABORTION I FORGOT THE NAME OF IT.

IT'S ALSO USED FOR POST-HEMORRHAGE LEADING, POST LABOR BLEEDING, MY BAD. AND WE HEAR THE STORIES OF HOW

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WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. >> IS ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD MORNING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND CITY OFFICIAL NAME IS DOROTHY CLAY I LIVE IN ABILENE, TEXAS.

I AM GLAD TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE GREAT CITY.

THE CITIZENS SPOKE LOUD AND CLEAR NOVEMBER OUR CITY IS IN SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN. MANY CITIZENS WORKED HARD TO GET SIGNATURES AND GET THE WORD OUT. AND THEY SPOKE LOUD AND CLEAR.

WE WANT TO BE A CITY THAT IS A CULTURE OF LIFE AND OUT OF DEATH. IN PROTECT THE MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS, THE UNBORN IN THE PRE-BORN THEY ARE THE MOST HONORABLE CITIZENS AND IT IS OUR DUTY AS LEADERS AND CITIZENS AS PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT CITY TO PROTECT THE ONBOARD, THERE'S GOTTA BE CONSEQUENT IS. WILL NEVER AGREE.

I PRAY THAT WE CAN ALWAYS AGREE TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN THAT ALL LIFE IS SACRED AND PRECIOUS.

AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE THAT DON'T TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. WE DON'T WANT BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT ON HER HAND. WE DON'T.

WE DO NOT. WE NEVER WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. UNFORTUNATELY OUR COUNTRY HAS.

THAT COULD BE HAPPENING AND WE MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP AND BACKUP WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN, THE PRE-BORN BABY GREED WE WANT TO AND WILL ALWAYS PROTECT THE MOTHER'S. WHEN YOU THINK OF A PRECIOUS UNBORN CHILD THAT CANNOT SPEAK FOR ITSELF, WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM AND STAND UP FOR, WE HAVE TO.

WE ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN FAVOR.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON THIS SAME THING BUT I HOPE THEY DEEP DOWN INSIDE A PARCEL WE HAVE TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT ONE DAY AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR OUR ACTIONS AND ATTITUDE AND WAS HAPPENING IN THE CITY, THIS NATION AND THIS WORLD THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF CITIZENS TO STAND UP AND SPEAK UP AND MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE STAND FOR.

LIFE OF THE UNBORN, SACRED LIFE GIVEN BY GOD NOT BY US AND IF IT'S GIVEN BY HIM TO THINK THAT WE CAN TERMINATE IT JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO, THE CITIZENS VOTED.

WE CANNOT GO BACK. WE MIGHT AS WILL GO FORTH AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, STAND FIRM, BE STRONG, CONTINUE ON.

DON'T TRY TO RECTIFY SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE.

I AM SO THANKFUL FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.

THEY SPOKE UP, STEPPED UP AND WORKED HARD AND THEY VOTED AT THE POLLS. WE CAN'T UNDO WHAT'S BEEN DONE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> MY NAME IS TYLER I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ABILENE, TEXAS AND I RESIDING CLIVE. WE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE SPIRIT IN THE SANCTUARY CITY AND IS VERY COMMENDABLE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS COME APPEARED TODAY AND WANTED TO CHANGE IN SPIRIT OF WHAT SANCTUARY CITY REPRESENTS.

BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN PASSED WE SEEN A LOT OF LEGAL ASPECTS THAT WE DEEM QUESTIONABLE. ANYBODY THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF SANCTUARY CITY'S HAS NOT COME APPEARED

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0. 0 ELECTIVE ABORTIONS HAVE EVER HAPPENED. THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY LIVES ARE WE REALLY SAVING. INTENTIONS ARE CLEAR WE WANT TO PREVENT THAT FROM EVER HAPPENING IN ABILENE.

I BELIEVE THAT SUGGEST GOAL. HOWEVER, IT'S CLEAR EVER SINCE THIS WAS PASSED THAT LEGAL CHALLENGES COME TO LIFE.

FOR EVERYBODY TO SPEAK AND TO BE HONEST IS GOING TO BE MORE.

WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SANCTUARY CITY VIOLATING CURRENT STATE LAW AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS AS ARE GOING TO BRING.

I TALKED OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF SANCTUARY CITY AND THEY ADMITTED SANCTUARY CITY IS SOMEWHAT EXPERIMENTAL THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT COME UP. MYTH IS GOOD TO BE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONSEQUENT IS POTENTIALLY IN THE NAME OF SAVING LIVES. HOWEVER, IF WE CAN POINT THEM OUT BEFOREHAND WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH FIXING THEM WITH FIXING THE CHALLENGES. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME APPEARED IN HIGH CONCERN ABOUT MEDICAL ISSUES AND MEDICINES THAT THEY CAN'T USE WITH THOSE INTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF SANCTUARY CITY'S.

AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH CHANGING THOSE.

THAT'S ONLY POINT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING HERE TODAY AND FOR EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC. >> I AM OF ABILENE, TEXAS, I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE SANCTUARY CITY OF THE UNBORN IN FAVOR OF ITS REVISION. THE ORDINANCE IS DANGEROUS LARGELY UNENFORCEABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THE USE OF RESOURCES. THIS DOES NOT EXIST UNDER THE CARE FOR WELL BEING OF CHILDREN AND CERTAINLY NOT OUT OF WOMEN.

THAT SIX-POINT MARGINS OF THE WILL OF ABILENE PEOPLE, NOR DOES IT REPRESENT THE WELL-BEING OF ABILENE PEOPLES.

WE MUST ALLOW OUR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD AND TAKEN ACCOUNT FOR ITS REVISION. KNOWINGLY PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM ABORTION PROVIDER AND GIVING OVER THE TELEPHONE, INTERNET COMMUNICATION REGARDING SELF MINISTERED ABORTIONS PROVIDING MONEY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE TO PAY FOR AN ABORTION AND ASSOCIATED WITH PRESERVING AN ABORTION.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO DETERMINE WHERE YOU CAN GO WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RESEARCH OR SAY AND WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY.

THIS CLAIMS TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS FOR CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THE MOTHER'S LIFE IS IN DANGER, HOWEVER, NOT ALL WOMEN ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY WERE ESTIMATED 10%, .5% LIVE IN POVERTY HAVE ACCESS TO A SUSTAINABLE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RESOURCES. NOR IN MANY CASES THE RESOURCES OF NECESSARY TO SUPPORT CHI CHILDREN, BEYOND THIS ARE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE HELD IN POSITION WERE EXCEPTED NONMEDICALLY CERTIFIED INDIVIDUALS TO DETERMINE THE MEDICAL CARE PROVIDED WAS UNDER MEDICALLY NECESSARY AND DETERMINE BECAUSE PERCUSSION CAN BE DRASTIC.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS POSITION FOR THE MAJOR LIFESAVING MEDICAL CARE MAY BE TURNED DOWN AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AREN'T A DANGEROUS POSITION WHERE THE CAREERS ARE NO LONGER SECURE IN ABILENE AND NEITHER IS THE HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS.

WOMEN HAVE BEEN WRONGFULLY PROSECUTED IN MISCARRIAGES OF STILLBORN STEW TO THE ABILITY TO DIFFER ACKNOWLEDGING AN INTENTIONAL DETERMINATION FROM THE NATURAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR MEDICAL COMPLICATION, THEY SHOULD NOT INCREMENT NO HOW SOME CASES THEY HAPPEN. WITHIN THIS ROOM THERE IS NO RAPE, SEXUAL ASSAULT THERE IS AN ESTIMATE 600 - 6 UNDER 50 CHILDREN FOSTER CARE AND THE TAYLOR COUNTY.

IN TEXAS THERE IS 25% OF CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE THAT ARE VICTIMIZED OR BEING VICTIMIZED BY SEXUAL ABUSE WHILE IN FOSTER CARE THIS IS WRITTEN AWAY IN THE DEATH AND CONVICTION OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND WITH NO REGARDS TO THE SANCTUARY CITY OF HUMAN LIFE OR THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I REQUESTED THE ORDINANCE TO BE REVISITED.

>> IS ANYONE ELSE? >> I AM CARA AND I AND FROM ABILENE. SINCE 2010.

I WOULD LIKE MY VOICE TO BE HEARD.

I JUST WANT TO SAY MY HUSBAND AND I WERE NOT ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN. AND THANKS TO THE ADOPTION AND FOSTER PARENTING WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN.

AND NOW OUR SON IS 21 YEARS OLD AND IS BEEN THE BEST THING IN OUR LIVES. AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT TO YOU GUYS. THAT IS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN AND CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN.

IT IS A BLESSING. IT IS SUCH A BLESSING.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT SYSTEM IS OUT THERE.

I WAS ALSO A NURSE FOR 24 YEARS, I AM RETIRED BUT RE-FIRED IN A

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>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> MY NAME IS MADELEINE AND I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE. I WANTED TO SAY MARTIN LUTHER KING SETTER LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER. IN 2007 AND TEENAGE BOY IMPREGNATED SEVERAL 14-YEAR-OLD GIRLS AND MOST OF THE GIRLS CHOSE TO ABORT THEIR BABIES. THE MOTHER OF ONE GIRL REFUSED TO LET HER DAUGHTER GIVEN TO. PRESSURE.

IN A SUPREME ACT OF LOVE THEY GAVE THIS BABY LIFE THROUGH ADOPTION. I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL ROOM THE MOMENT MY DAUGHTER CAME INTO THE WORLD AND SHE'S THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO US. AS THE NEXT LAWYER I APPRECIATE THE CONSEQUENCES OF LAW CAN BE COMPLEX BUT AS A VOTER EFFORT FOR LEADERS TO HAVE A BACKER TO FIGHT OR LOSE LAWSUITS RATHER THAN LOSE LIVES TO ABORT A FIGHT.

GENTLEMEN THE MAJORITY THAT ELECTED YOU AND I SIDED WITH THE MAJORITY THAT VOTED TO LIVE IN A SANCTUARY CITY.

I PRAY THAT YOU CONSIDER US. >> IS ANYONE ELSE.

>> MY NAME IS SHEILA BECKER AND I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE, TEXAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALSO SUPPOSED TO SAY I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT TALKING IN PUBLIC.

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THE WOMEN THAT HAVE HAD THESE ABORTIONS. IN THE LIVES AND WHAT THEY HAD TO SUFFER IN THE YEARS AFTERWARDS.

BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE DESTROYED A LIFE.

I NOT HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT THIS AND I'M SITTING BACK THERE WONDERING WHY ISN'T ANYONE SPEAKING.

IS THERE NOT ANYONE THAT HAD AN ABORTION THAT IS HERE THAT IS NOT GONE THROUGH THE SUFFERING AND ANGUISH.

I WAS ONLY ABLE TO GET PREGNANT TWICE IN MY LIFE.

THE FIRST TIME IT WAS A MISCARRIAGE AND THE NEXT TIME I HAD TO HAVE MY TUBE TAKEN OUT. I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO NOT HAVE A CHILD TO WANT CHILDREN AND NOT HAVE THEM.

AND I'LL HAVE THE REST OF MY LIFE WITHOUT SUFFERING AND KNOWING THAT I DESTROY THAT LIFE.

THANK YOU. THE BACK IS ANYONE ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS RYAN GOODWIN. I'M A CITIZEN OF ABILENE.

AND WHAT SHE SAID IS TRUE, BEING A PASTOR THERE MANY TIMES WHERE I HAD OLDER WOMEN THAT HAD ABORTIONS 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO COMING INTO MY OFFICE AND STILL TEARING UP OVER THE FACT THAT THEY HAD AN ABORTION AND WHAT COULD'VE BEEN.

THAT IS 100% TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WERE GOING YOU DIDN'T SPEAK ON IT TOO MUCH BUT I KNOW THE WORD AMENDS SCARES THE HECK OUT OF PEOPLE.

WERE LIKE WHAT ARE WE AMENDING THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG WORD.

WHEN IT SAYS THAT, THE OTHER THING I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED NOT EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. WHAT I'M ASKING HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO JONATHAN MITCHELL ABOUT SOME OF THIS AND ASKED HIM QUESTIONS AND SAID THIS ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH OR COULD THIS GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OR HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS TO ASK QUESTIONS. THERE IS DEFINITION ON HERE OF

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THIS IS STOPPING US, IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL.

HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ANYBODY TO SAY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN CAN WE STRENGTHEN OR CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY BUT SO FAR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A FEW THINGS. THERE'S A GUY THAT WROTE THIS THAT CLEARLY SAYS UNDER THE DEFINITION AT THE END IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DETERMINATION OF PREGNANCY THAT IS USED TO DETERMINATE THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD UNDER THE ABORTION INDUCED DRUG. WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS UNDER THE ORDINANCE WHICH I HAVE READ IT AND YOU READ IT 18 - 20 TIMES BEFORE VOTED ON IT. AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SAID THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DO YOU THINK THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

WHAT PART OF THE 18 PAGES ON CONSTUNCONSTITUTIONAL.

WHERE WE TALK ABOUT GIVE SOME DIALOGUE.

I GET CONCERNED AND LIKE KYLE YOU SAID IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO BEGINNING. KYLE BROKE THE LAW, WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAW DID YOU BREAK THE LAW DRIVING, AT HIS HOUSE, THE SUPERMARKET, WHERE DID YOU BREAK THE LAW WHAT HAPPENED WHERE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THERE IS THINGS I WOULD LIKE MORE DEFINITION NARROW IT DOWN WHERE YOU ARE THINKING.

AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE SAID THIS IS A LOT TO READ FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER. TODAY'S PACKET FOR THIS AGENDA MEETING IS 444 PAGES YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO READ A LOT EVERY TWO WEEKS IF THEY WANT TO STAY INFORMED WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT.

I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO READ THIS THERE HAS BEEN FALSE INFORMATION SAID FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AFTER THIS WAS VOTED ON.

UNDERSTAND IT IF YOU DON'T KNOW FULLY, ASK QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. >> MAN CLARIFY SINCE I WAS,

SPECIFICALLY. >> IF YOU WOULD ALL BE READY SO

WE CAN PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> A LAST MOMENT DECISION DIANE BENNETT RESIDENT OF ABILENE. I JUST WANT TO ASK.

>> PURITY SPOKEN ON THIS ITEM. >> IT WAS A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

>> THANK YOU SHANE. >> THE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BEFORE WE COULD EVER CONSIDER DISCUSSING SANCTUARY CITY LONG AGO BACK IN APRIL OR MARCH. IT WAS REQUIRED THAT WE WALK THE CITY STREETS TO GET 12000 SIGNATURES.

HAVE THERE BEEN 12000 SIGNATURES TO AMEND THE SANCTUARY CITY BILL OF THE ORDINANCE. CAN YOU DO NOT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ASK. WHO HAS PRESENTED THE PETITION SIGNED BY 12000 PEOPLE BEFORE WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

IT IS IMPORTANT. >> IS ANYONE ELSE.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL MY NAME IS MICHAEL BOB I'M A RESIDENT OF TAYLOR COUNTY I'M A RETIRED AIR FORCE COLONEL MY COMMENTS ARE MY OWN VIEWS AND DO NOT REFLECT THE OPINION OF THE AIR FORCE BASE FOR THE U.S. AIR FORCE. I WAS LISTED IT LIFE HE AT HOME AND GOT OFF MY TRACTOR AND TOOK A SHOWER TO COME IN BASED ON THE EARLIER CONCERNS WE HEARD IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ABOUT THE IMPACT ON HEALTHCARE IN ABILENE IS IN AND ATTENDING CONSEQUENT OF THIS ORDINANCE SO I WANT TO SAY TO YOU VERY CLEARLY ANY THREAT TO THE HEALTHCARE IN ABILENE IS A THREAT TO DAIS AIR FORCE BASE. THE AIR FORCE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT FUTURE FACING CONSIDERATIONS WHETHER A NEW PLATFORM LIKE BE 21 OR IF WE EVER GET THROUGH ANOTHER REALIGNMENT CLOSURE ACTION THOSE FACING CONSIDERATIONS WILL NOT BASED ONLY ON TRADITIONAL MEASURES LIKE THE CAPACITY OF THE BASE AND THE QUALITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHETHER AND AVAILABILITY BUT ALSO THE ABILITY AND THE QUALITY OF THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY GIVES TO AIRMEN WIND UP WITH THE BASES. SPECIFICALLY THE AIR FORCE MENTIONS FIVE AREAS, HOUSING SPOUSE EMPLOYMENT CHILDCARE, EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE. I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THE IMPACT THE ORDINANCE HAS HAD ON THE QUALITY OF HEALTHCARE BUT AS I HEARD THE EARLIER COMMENTS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND SAY AGAIN ANYTHING THAT HEALTHCARE IN ABILENE DOES THREATEN THE FUTURE OF DAIS AIR FORCE BASE.

AS YOU CONSIDER THE HEALTHCARE CONSIDERATIONS VERY CAREFULLY AND FACTOR THAT INTO YOUR DECISION AND DISCUSSION.

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THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS PAIGE ANDERSON AND I'VE RECENTLY BEEN VACUUMED.

I WAS BORN IN ABILENE AND I LIVED IN ABILENE FOR DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. THE LAST MSU FOR ANY AMOUNT TIME I WAS 22 YEARS OLD AND I CANNOT WAIT TO GET MY WANT TO GO TO DALLAS. DALLAS IS LIKE MY NEW YORK.

I'M PROUD OF YOU GUYS, I'M PROUD OF THE VOTERS.

THAT PASS THIS ORDINANCE. AND WHAT WERE DEALING WITH HERE IS WARFARE IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE. THERE IS TWO SIDES TO THE ARGUMENT WITH THE CONSENSUS BEING ONE NEVER GET TO CONS CONSENSUS. WHAT I JUST WITNESSED WAS SOMEONE WHO SAID HE DIDN'T REPRESENT THE AIR FORCE.

THAT IS FINE BUT IF HE WANTS TO POINT OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE GOVERNMENT AS FAR AS ORDINANCE AND HE BASICALLY IT COULD HAPPEN THAT DAIS LEAVE. THAT IS WORKER FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOT TO THE PEOPLE.

AGAIN NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT SAY ABORTION IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

THIS ARGUMENT WILL KEEP GOING ON AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

I SEE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE THE ALWAYS SEEMED ANGRY ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING AND ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP IT BE MADE AN ISSUE WE LIVE IN A POST-ROAD GENERATION BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T GET JUDGED FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS AND 63 BILLION PLUS.

THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN. I DIDN'T VOTE ON IT.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SINCE FEBRUARY BUT I'M PROUD OF THE CITY. AND THE STAND THAT IS TAKEN AGAINST THE MURDERING AND SLAUGHTERING OF THE UNBORN.

>> IS ANYONE ELSE. >> SEE YOU KNOW WHEN I'M IN A CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM

COUNSEL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO START AND I'LL HIT SOME OF THE THINGS. I AM WELL AWARE THAT THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

I THINK, I CAN'T REMOVE THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME.

WHEN I INDICATED, WHEN I SAID IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND I MAY NOT REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I BELIEVE I WAS SPEAKING IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE AT THAT TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING ILLEGAL THAT WAS NOT ILLEGAL AT THAT TIME. I DO NOT BELIEVE I SAID IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR US TO BAN ABORTIONS.

WHAT I BELIEVE I SAID IT WAS NOT IN HER WHEELHOUSE TO MAKE SOMETHING ILLEGAL THAT WAS LEGAL AT THE TIME.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE I SAID.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ARE MARKETING INTO THE DRUG THING WITH OTHERS TALK ABOUT THAT.

SECTION 20.87 E3 PROVIDING MONEY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT IT WOULD BE USED TO PAY FOR AN ABORTION OR COST ASSOCIATED WITH AN ABORTION MY CONCERN IS VERY VAGUE PROVIDING MONEY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE, DEFINE KNOWLEDGE IF I GIVE MONEY TO THIS NONPROFIT WHO GIVES MONEY TO A NONPROFIT AND THEN PAYS FOR AN ABORTION HAVE I PROVIDED MONEY WITH KNOWLEDGE. AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT'LL BE USED TO PAY FOR AN ABORTION. THAT IS THE VAGUENESS OF IT.

PROVIDING OR ARRANGING FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE OF AN ABORTION. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT WERE JUMPING INTO THAT. IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE OFFICIAL ABILENE, TEXAS. OFFICIAL DEFINED THAT.

THAT'S VERY VAGUE AND A LOT OF THESE ARE REPEATED THROUGHOUT.

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DOES THAT MEAN IF I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND ANY PERSON LISTED AT THE PODIUM AND SAID IF YOU WANTED ABORTION GO TO LOVE IT HAVE THEY VIOLATED THIS? BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED REFERRAL TO AN ABORTION PROVIDER BY SAYING YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET IT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE VAGUENESS OF SOME OF THE STUFF. I WAS ASKED TO BELIEVE IN THIS ENTITY OF LIFE, YES, I DO AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID USING ANTIABORTION ORDINANCE, SIGN IT. IS IT THEIR FAULT FOR NOT READING IT, YES IT IS. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS VERY VAGUE AND THAT'S MY CONCERN THE VAGUENESS THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD REPEAL THE ORDINANCE, NO. YOU'RE CORRECT THE VOTERS CHOSE THIS AND THEY VOTED FOR AND I BELIEVE THE SPIRIT EXIST AND I BELIEVE THE SPIRIT OF ANTIABORTION IN ABILENE IS VERY STRONG AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS THAT ARE VERY OVERREACHING AND I WOULD NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFICALLY CLARIFIED OR REMOVED SO DOCTORS IN INSURANCE COVERAGE, KNOWLEDGE, DEFINE. THAT IS MY 2 CENTS WORTH.

>> ANYONE ELSE. >> I WANT TO BE EXTREMELY CLEAR ON WHERE MY CONCERN REST IN MY PERCEPTION OF WHAT TODAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT JEFF, WE DO RESPECT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. THIS IS SIMPLY A PUBLIC DISCUSSION OUT IN THE OPEN NOT SECRETLY TO DISCUSS THE REAL-WORLD IMPACT OF THIS. THAT ALL THIS IS TODAY.

WERE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING PROVE WERE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING AND WE ARE NOT AMENDING ANYTHING.

THE PURPOSE OF TODAY WAS TO GATHER INFORMATION.

NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT WHAT THE VOTERS HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANTED.

I THINK IT'S ALSO EXTREMELY PRUDENT AND RESPONSIBLE TO LOOK AT THE REAL-WORLD IMPACT OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE GREATEST STATE OF TEXAS DOES NOT EVERY TWO YEARS WITH LEGISLATIVE UPDATES WHEN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMES ALONG THE CLARIFY LANGUAGE AND LAW. ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

ALL WERE DOING TODAY IS MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY READ WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE ONE PARTICULAR DRUG AND HAS MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL SCARED SO MY GOAL WOULD BE AND READ IT I SPENT A LONG TIME READING THE LAW AND ENFORCING DRUG LAW. TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE IT I'M SIMPLY SAYING IS THERE WAY TO STRENGTHEN THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT BETTER AND STRONGER AND COVER MORE DRUGS AND ADDRESS THE HEALTHCARE ISSUE AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN REST. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO REPEAL THIS AND MATERIALLY CHANGE IT BUT I THINK IS RESPONSIBLE LEADERSHIP TO TAKE REAL-WORLD ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE DO WE HAVE RELISTED OTHER ORDINANCES BEFORE.

ONE OF THE THINGS, STANLEY IS THINKING THE APPROPRIATE PERSON THERE'S BEEN QUESTION ON WHETHER WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING OR NOT. MY IMPRESSION WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING WHILE IT REMAINED A CITIZEN PETITION BUT ONCE IT BECOMES AN ORDINANCE WE DO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO AMEND. CAN YOU DRESS UP PLEASE.

>> THE CHARTER GOES UP TO THE POINT BEEN PASSED INTO LAW WHICH IS OCCURRED AND NO LANGUAGE, THE CHARTER THAT SPEAKS AFTER THAT THE CHARTER IS SILENT. AND I FOUND A STATE LAW THAT WOULD PROHIBIT A CITY FROM AN ORDINANCE SUCH AS THIS IN THEIR CHARTER I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING AND I'M NOT PROVIDED ANYTHING IF THERE'S ANYTHING UNWELCOME TO REVIEW IF SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT ANSWER BUT I'VE NOT FOUND ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT SAYS A CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND AN

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>> WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE ON THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH GATHERING INFORMATION IN THE CRAFTING OF LANGUAGE IF ANY. WE MAY DO NOTHING IN THE END.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD TODAY FROM ALL SIDES VAGUE MORE QUESTIONS AND MAKE ME WANT TO DO MORE RESEARCH.

IF WE WERE TO STRENGTHEN THIS, CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, CLARIFY SOMETHING WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH INFORMATION GATHERING COMPONENT OF THAT BEFORE WE BRING ANYTHING FOR FORWARD.

>> THAT WOULD BE A FUNCTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES I CAN CERTAINLY MAKE MY RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THE LANGUAGE MAY NEED TO BE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO ACCO

ACCOMPLISH. >> MAYBE YOU CAN BACKUP A LITTLE BIT. THE SETTING OF THE GOALS TO SIT DOWN WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS AS AN EXAMPLE TODAY AND SAY HERE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN CRAFT A LANGUAGE THAT MAKES IT STRONGER I HAVE SUGGESTIONS ON MANNER OF USE LANGUAGE ON THE ORDINANCE WHICH WOULD STRENGTHEN IT FOR CLARIFY SOME OF THE CONFUSION THAT THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY HAS AND STRENGTHENS ORDINANCE TO PREVENT ANY DRUG FROM BEING USED AND I KNOW THIS IS ALREADY BUT UNDER THE STING OF THE CONFUSION WHEN I READ IT. WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED FORWARD AND GATHERING INFORMATION WITHOUT VIOLATING

THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. >> IF THE COUNCIL HUSTLING WHICH WERE COUNCIL NUMBER HAS LANGUAGE AND PRESENT TO ME I CAN CERTAINLY MAKE MY RECOMMENDATION AS A CERTAIN LANGUAGE.

THERE IS LANGUAGE OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS AMENDING THIS ORDINANCE THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AT THE PUBLIC MEETING MCCAUL JUMP IN AND SAY IN THE PAST WE SET UP SUBCOMMITTEES LIKE WHEN WE DID THE DIFFERENT BUILDING CODES. IT WAS THE TWO OF US SO IS LESS THAN A QUORUM. IT MAY BE HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE SPEND TIME WORKING WITH YOU TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC ISSUES IN THE BACKGROUND WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STUDY THAT IS PUT INTO THIS PRETTY THINK YOU WOULD BE A PERFECT ONE FOR BUT THERE MAY BE OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE. TWO OR THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WORK WITH YOU TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION IN A PUBLIC SETTING FOR ALL OF US TO GET TO SEE.

>> IF I RECALL. ONCE THE PETITION ONCE A JEFF NGUYEN JUST ABUTTED INTO CLARIFY OR AMENDED LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE HAD TO TAKE IT THAT STARTED THE SHOT CLOCK AND WE HAD TO TAKE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. IS MY MEMORY CORRECT,.

>> THAT'S THE WAY OUR CHARTER IS SUBMITTED.

>> EVERYTHING IS FROZEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE FROM A GUY WATCHING A SHOW, TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. I'VE HEARD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK IS A PERSONAL COUNSEL OPPOSED TO THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE THAT I HEARD THAT WAS ARTICULATED. AND I WONDERED IF THE COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE WAS DISCUSSED WITH HIM CLOSE CITIZEN'S THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PETITION PROCESS COULD MEET TO DISCUSS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE THAT WOULD RESOLVE SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE CHALLENGE IN THIS TOPIC NEVER REALLY GOES TO THE EXTREME AND ABOVE MINE AND THE THINGS WE CAN AGREE UPON THAT WE ARE LIKELY TO AGREE.

WERE ALL AFRAID OF LOSING THE ORDINANCE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WROTE THE AGENDA TITLE THE WAY WE DID COUNSEL HAS NO DESIRE THAT I HEARD EXPRESSED TO REPEAL THE ORDINANCE. NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT THAT MAN CREATES.

TO THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THIS IS PERFECT IS HUBRIS AND CANNOT BE MADE BETTER, YES. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF DIALOGUE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION. >> IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL TO STRENGTHEN, CLARIFY, MAKE IT CLEAR AND MAKE SURE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND DOCTORS ARE COMFORTABLE.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY GOAL IT IS NOT TO AMEND, REPEAL, CHANGE

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INVITE TO THE TABLE. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AS WE CAN SEE THIS IS INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR VERY, VERY LONG TIME BOTH PRE-CAMPAIGN AND NOW.

I THINK WHAT ROBERT IS SAYING IS TRUE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE I KNOW BELIEVE THERE'S ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL WANTING TO REPEAL IT.

I THINK WERE ALL VERY PRO-LIFE ABILENE IS A VERY PRO-LIFE CITY.

I WAS SURPRISED BY THE LOW NUMBER THAT IT PASSED I THINK FROM 52% AND I THINK ABILENE IS A MUCH MORE PRO-LIFE CITY THAN THAT. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THE LOW NUMBER OF APPROVAL ON THIS AND I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT READ THE ORDINANCE AND HAD FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES NOT WITH PROTECTING LIFE OF THE BABY BUT THE CONSEQUENT IS ACCIDENTALLY HAPPENING OUT THERE THAT WERE TRYING TO GET INSIGHT ABOUT NOW. I THINK THE COUNCIL IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR. I AM ONE OF 12 VERY PRO-LIFE AND AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT IT BEING AN ATTORNEY, PRO-LIFE ATTORNEY.

I'M LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE EYES OF HOW IS THIS ENFORCEABLE.

WE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE SPIRIT AND THAT IS TRUE, WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF ABILENE BEING PRO-LIFE.

YOU HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT HOW IS THIS ORDINANCE GOING TO BE OF LIMITED. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN AND IF THE OTHER SIDE, SOMEONE WANTS TO SUE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.

IT'S CONCEIVABLE UNDER THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN AS AN ATTORNEY LOOKING AT THIS THAT THE DRAFTERS OF THIS ORDINANCE CAN BE SUED IN THIS ORDINANCE URGES THE PROSECUTOR'S TO PROSECUTE THOSE PEOPLE POTENTIALLY. IF THE PEOPLE WHO DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE DONATED TO AN ORGANIZATION LIKE I'LL MENTION WHICH THE ORGANIZATION GIVES MONEY TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT PERFORMS ABORTION, THAT PERSON POTENTIALLY COULD BE LIABLE IN THE ORDINANCE URGES THAT.

LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE.

AS WRITTEN, DON'T CHANGE IT. YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THAT PERSON WHO STOOD UP AND SAID I WANT TO SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE, DON'T REVISE IT. THIS ORDINANCE, THE VERY ONE THAT THEY ARE CALLING TO NOT TOUCH IS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT IS CALLING FOR THEM TO BE PROSECUTED IF THEY'RE DONATING TO GIRL SCOUTS OF AMERICA OR ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS IN TURN GIVEN TO AN ABORTION PROVIDER OR SERVICES, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS. THAT IS NOT THE SPIRIT BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS LEGALLY. THAT IS MY CONCERN OF A PRO-LIFE ATTORNEY. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT GOING HOW CAN WE NOT BE HOW CAN THIS NOT BE TURNED AGAINST THE CITY IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE TRY TO DO HERE.

I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF WHAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY IN WHAT WE NEED TO PREVENT FROM A PROSECUTOR DOWN THE ROAD WITH AN ACT TO GRIND USING THIS AGAINST PRO-LIFE PEOPLE.

I THINK WERE TO GET A GOOD STEP AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO REALLY LOOK INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF HOW DO WE MAKE THIS STRONGER AND CLEANER.

>> ANYONE ELSE QUESTION WERE. >> WHEN ALL THIS STARTED, MY FEAR. I AM FORTUNATELY HAVE SEEN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH AN THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO AGREE THAT OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO BE CHRIST LIKE.

THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL TO BE CHRIST LIKE.

THIS HAS CAUSED THOSE PEOPLE TO FIGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER.

THE ONLY WINNER THERE IS SATAN. HE WINS.

WHEN WE SPEND OUR TIME FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

WE'VE HAD ON THIS COUNCIL BEFORE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL IN MIND. IT'S A PATH TO GET THERE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND WE FIGHT ABOUT THAT.

I WILL GO BACK AND SAY THIS AGAIN.

I'M GOING TO AGREE WHAT MR. HANNAH SAID AND WHAT BLAKE SAID. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO REPEAL THIS ORDINANCE.

WE BELIEVE IN THIS ENTITY OF LIFE.

WE DO BELIEVE IN THIS ENTITY OF LIFE.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PATH TO GET THERE IS AS ON FRAUD, BUT IT IS NOT LITTERED WITH LANDMINES ALONG THE WAY.

FIGURING OUT A WAY TO TWEAK THIS IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO ALL GET TO THE SAME GOAL AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN IN

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VOTED ON IT. >> ANYONE ELSE.

>> TO REINFORCE WHAT ROBERT SHARED.

NONE OF US HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL WITH REGARD TO WRITING A DOCUMENT IN MAKING A STATEMENT TODAY AND KNOWING 100% OF OUTCOME. WHEN IT SAYS MINOR AS MOST OF THE THINGS ON THE AGENDA TODAY ARE ZONING CHANGES IT IS MODIFYING THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TO THE BUDGET THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR END WE HAVE MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE BUDGET DURING THE YEAR BECAUSE WEEKEND FORECAST 100% CLARITY OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. SO I WAS ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST SENDING IT TO THE VOTERS IN PREFERENCE OF ADOPTING IT BACK IN APRIL. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE TWO CHOICES COULD WE COULD SEND IT TO THE VOTERS OR ADOPTED OURSELVES.

MY VOTE WAS TO ADOPT IT. IMMEDIATELY AND DIRECTLY.

AND WERE HEARING FEEDBACK THAT GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN WHAT IS THERE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION THAT WILL BE STRONGER GOING FORWARD WHILE PROTECTING THE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ABILITY TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE THAT DON'T IMPACT AN UNBORN BABY BUT CAN PROVIDE A LIFESAVING BENEFIT TO THE PATIENTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH ISSUES.

I SUPPORTED THE ORDINANCE AS IT WAS BACK IN JANUARY 2020.

A COUPLE MONTH BEFORE THE PANDEMIC STARTED WE HAD AN AGENDA ITEM WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT MY REQUEST AND HAD A GOOD HEALTHY DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION FROM THAT WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN THE INITIATIVE TOOK PLACE. I MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH PASTOR BEARDEN HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BLIND AND SAY WHAT ONE PERSON WROTE OR GROUP OF PEOPLE WROTE ONE YEAR AGO OR FIVE YEARS AGO IS PER PERFECT. THE HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED THE MEN THAT WROTE THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE THERE MAY BE AN INSPIRATION BUT NOTHING WAS IN VIABLE THE ROAD TO CENTURY FOR THE CITY ORDINANCE AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE.

I SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE. I DON'T IF YOU WANT TO VOLU

VOLUNTEER. >> ALSO BLAZE WILL BE ANOTHER

PERSON HAVE ON THE COMMITTEE. >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE

ACTION. >> IF WERE GOING TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE. I THINK THOSE ARE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE THE BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE TO UNDERSTAND FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THE IMPACT OF CHANGES POSSIBLE

STRENGTHEN A PERMIT. >> I WANT TO REITERATE I THINK IT'S CALLED BALL AND TOLD. THERE'S A PSYCHOLOGIST THIS IS A CAUSE OR EMOTION. IN HER ASSESSMENT ABOUT I THINK ULTIMATELY ONE OF THE HOPES IS TO STRENGTHEN LANGUAGE WHERE THEY CAN BE DISAGREEMENTS BUT THERE IS A COLLABORATION WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE AND MY CONCERN IS TO HEAR ONE ANOTHER IN A WAY THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE THERE IS NO SPIRIT HERE THAT ANY OF US ARE AWARE OF IN BEING PEOPLE TO NOT LISTEN TO THE VOTERS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CHARGED TO DO.

WE HAVE PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT DON'T OFTEN REFLECT WHAT IS ENACTED, ABSOLUTELY. SOMEONE SAID THE EARLIER THAT'S TRUE BUT ULTIMATELY UNDERSTAND THE ROLES WE PLAY AND I THINK HER HOPE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HEAR THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AND

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BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYONE HERE TO FEEL AS IF THERE IS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE AS LYNN SHARED EARLIER TO NOT HEAR AND ENACT WHAT'S BEEN VOTED ON THREE THAT'S WHAT WERE HERE TO DO.

I DO APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO GIVE CLARITY TO THAT.

BECAUSE HEARING A LOT OF PAS PASSION, THINGS OFTEN CONTINUE TO GET MISSED AS THE MESSAGES ARE SHARED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE MORNING. I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE INTENT AND SOME PEOPLE WILL AGREE AND SOME PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.

I APPRECIATE GIVING CLARITY TO WHAT THE HOPE ULTIMATELY IS AS FAR AS THE END RESULT. I WANT TO ECHO MY DESIRE BEING BALL AND TOLD TO BE A PART OF THAT.

IF THAT WERE THE CASE AND THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.

>> CONGRESSMAN YATES. >> ORDINANCE HAS PASSED WINDOWS PASS FOR THE VOTERS 53% OF THOSE WHO VOTED WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IT IS A MAJORITY RULE AND THIS IS THE WAY OUR SYSTEM WORKS HARDER SYSTEM ALSO HAS MANY EXAMPLES OF ALLOWANCES WE CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF THE MAYOR UNDER MINORITY.

IN THIS CASE WE HELD THIS TOPIC AND DISCUSSION TO HEAR FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN HARMED BY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW OR THE ORDINANCE. WE HEARD SOME EXAMPLES IN THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THAT WE HEARD ARE THE USE OF CERTAIN DRUGS AND THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER MIGHT BE CONSIDERED. IF YOU READ THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE. IT IS CONFUSING.

IT CAN BE INTERPRETED BOTH WAYS. YOU COULD SAY OF COURSE THE MOTHER'S HEALTH IS FOREMOST. EXCEPT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS.

YOU CAN'T LITIGATE INTENSIVE WHEN THE LETTER IS UNCLEAR.

WE ARE CHARGED WITH THE SO THE LETTER OF THE LAW CAN BE FOLLOWED. LISTENING TO THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. I THINK THE INTENT FOR THE COUNCIL FOR ME IN THE VOTERS WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABILENE IS A PRO-LIFE TOWN. ELECTIVE ABORTION IS NOT OKAY.

THAT IS THE INTENT, I THINK WERE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT.

BUT IF THE SPECIFIC LINK WHICH FOR EXAMPLE IF A WOMAN HAS A SITUATION WITH THE PREGNANCY WHERE IT'S NOT REACHED A LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION YET. YOU COULD INTERPRET THE LANGUAGE THAT THE DOCTOR MUST WAIT UNTIL HER LIFE IS IN DANGER AND YOU COULD ALSO INTERPRET THEIR FREE TO CONTINUE AND PERFORM WHAT IS DEFINED AS AN ABORTION TO SAVE HER LIFE IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN SO IT CAN BE INTERPRETED BOTH WAYS THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE AMENDED AND UPDATED SO MORE CLEARLY DEFINED LETTER OF THE LAW INTENTIONS THERE.

WHEN WE CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND FOREMOST WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE WHOLE ORDINANCE AS A WHOLE WHICH IS TO PREVENT ELECTIVE ABORTIONS IN ABILENE, ABSOLUTELY.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED THE USE OF THE DRUGS OF PROPOSAL TO GRAB MORE STRENGTHEN THAT IS BROADER AND THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE INCLUDED THAT WE HAVEN'T NAMED. IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS.

BUT NOT ABORTION USE OF THE DRUG SHOULD ALSO BE ALLOWED.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DEFER TO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND PATIENTS TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

THE SAME PROBLEM ABORTION INDUCED IS DEFINED FOR NICKNAMES TO DRUGS AND IT SAYS ANY DRUG OR MEDICATION TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF AN UNBORN CHILD IS DOES NOT INCLUDE BIRTH CONTROL CONTRACEPTIVE. MORNING-AFTER PILLS OR EMERGENCY

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MAYBE THE MECHANISM OF THAT CAN BE DEFINED BETTER BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. BUT IN SECTION B OF THE NEXT SECTION AND SAYS IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO POSSESS OR DISTRIBUTE ABORTION INDUCING DRUGS IN THE CITY OF AVENUE. GOING BACK TO THE DEFINITION ANY DRUG TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF A NUMBER AND CHILD.

CAN PHARMACIES CARRY IT. THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING ABORTIONS BUT WE SAID THEY CAN'T HAVE THE DRUG.

IT IS ILLEGAL TO HAVE THE DRUG IN ABILENE.

I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. THIS IS CONFUSING FOR YOU COULD INTERPRET THAT IN EITHER DIRECTION.

YOU COULD SAY THERE ARE PROVISIONS BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT SECTION 20 E- 89 PART E IT SAYS IT SHALL BE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTS DESCRIBED WERE TAKEN IN RESPONSE TO A LIFE-THREATENING PHYSICAL CONDITION. YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE LIFE-THREATENING? IF YOU'RE TOLD BY YOUR DOCTOR THAT YOU HAVE A 70% BLOCKAGE IN YOUR HEART AND WE NEED TO PERFORM SURGERY. DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU NEED A HEART ATTACK OR TO DEAL WITH IT BEFORE IT COMES LIKE THREATENING. DO YOU SEE HOW SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE MIGHT NEED TO BE UPDATED, STILL ABIDING BY THE INTENT THAT ABORTION, ELECTIVE ABORTION FOR THE PURPOSES OF BIRTH CONTROL ARE ANATHEMA TO THE CITY OF ABILENE.

WE HAVE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONFUSING CONTRADICTIONS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THOSE SO FAR ARE ALL HYPOTHETICAL RETRACTABLE EMPLOYERS BASING DECISIONS WHERE THE CITY OFFICIALS HAVING TO CHARGE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE AND IF THEY ARE COMMITTING A CRIME. NONE OF THOSE HAVE HAPPENED.

WE HEARD TODAY THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY BEEN HARMED BY THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE WAS NOT CLEAR. THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO ADDRESS THE HARM THAT WE ARE DOING AND STILL 19 THE INTENT BEHIND ORDINANCE. THAT IS IT.

>> I APPRECIATE TODAY'S DISCUSSION AND LIKE I SAY TODAY WAS A DISCUSSION. I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD TODAY WERE REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS HEARTBEAT ACT AND I HEARD SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THE AUTHOR OF THIS THAT THERE MAY BE CHANGES IN CLARIFICATION THAT NEED TO BE MADE EVEN FROM THE AUTHOR. WERE NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION ON THIS TODAY WE HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS IN THE PUBLIC AND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. WE WANT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AMOUNT OF THIS IS TODAY TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS WHAT'S BEEN SAID IN ANY ORDINATE STOP AND IF THERE'S OTHER IMPACTS THAT WE DID NOT KNOW WILL BE PASSED ORDINANCE WERE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS THOSE. WE HAVE IN PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

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