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>> WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START AND IF JAMIE SHOWS UP SHE CAN JOIN US.
THIS IS THE ABILENE PLAN MARKS COMMISSION LYNCH INFORMED EVERYONE PRESENT THIS COMMISSION MEETS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION IS SET FORTH IN THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1171 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDING COMMISSION ALL FINAL DECISIONS REMAIN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION ARE OVERALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES AND LANDS DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY TO BE OF UNIQUE
[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on July 26,2023]
HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL VALUE. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES. AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE MINUTES? OKAY SEEING NO ONE. HAS EVERYONE READ THE MINUTES? IS THERE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT?>> CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES?
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. NEXT SECOND.
>> YOU CAN YOU A VOICE VOTE. IF YOU CHOOSE.
>> THOSE WERE THE MINUTES FROM JULY 26, 2023. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA HO
[2. HOZ-2023-02: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from Robert Hoemke to Add Historic Overlay to a Commercial Building within Original Town of Abilene Located at 1201 South 1st Street (Mason Teegardin)]
Z 2023, ZERO TO RECEIVE AND REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM ROBERT HONKY, TO ADD HIS HISTORIC OVERLAY TO AN HISTORIC BUILDING WITHIN ORIGINAL TOWN OF ABILENE LOCATED AT 1201 SOUTH FIRST STREET.AND WE WILL HAVE A STAFF REPORT.
>> HI MASON, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.ODAY WERE LOOKING AT CASE HOZ 2023-02 ROBERT HONKY ONCE AN HISTORIC OVERLAY IT'S 12 ONE S. FIRST STREET.
HERE WE HAVE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. IN 1927 AS BEING SHELTERED BILLED TO BILLING FOR BUICK IN 1928 BUICK BUYS THE BUILDING, IN 1929 THE DEPRESSION HITS.
1931 BUICK MOVES OUT, 1932 JESSE FRANKLIN WINTERS BUYS THE BUILDING AND TURNS IT INTO THE MW TIRE STORE. IN 1951, WHICH SELLS THE BUILDING AND THE NEW OWNERS TURN INTO D AND W FURNITURE. IN THE 1960S THE BUILDING IS D AND W FURNITURE AND THEN IN THE 1980S IS THOMAS EVERETT FURNITURE AND THEN IN 2019 THERE'S A NEW OWNER WHICH IS THE APPLICANT ROBERT AND THEN IN 2023 IT IS NOW A DW UNDERGROUND VENUE.
THIS IS NOT ON THE ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
HERE WE HAVE AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE LOCATION SOUTH FIRST AND ELM.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP IT'S ZONED CB FOR CENTRAL BUSINESS.
HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE COOK SIGN ON THE TOP AND THAT HIS SIGNAGE IS ALREADY ON THERE. AND THEN STAFF WAS ABLE TO FIND ONLY ONE HISTORIC PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN OUR RECORDS AND GOOGLE SEARCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THIS WAS THE ONLY IMAGE WE WERE ABLE TO FIND.
ACCORDING TO SECTION 2.3.4.4 THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION THIS HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED ONLY IF PRINCIPAL DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AREAS, SITES, STRUCTURES, BUILDINGS, PROPERTIES OR OBJECTS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPOSED ZONE EXHIBIT ANY ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS. STAFF BELIEVES THAT INFORMATION
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PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE HISTORY OF THE OWNERS AND BUSINESSES COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND THEN STAFF ALSO DETERMINES THAT THE COCA-COLA SIGN IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT FEATURE ALONG SOUTH FIRST STREET. STAFF IS READ MANY A CONTINUANCE UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND HISTORIC PHOTOS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BE PROVIDED FOR THIS PRESENTATION.I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> SO STEP IS RECOMMENDED MAYBE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL LATER? UNTIL THERE'S MORE INFORMATION?
>> YES, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO STAFF ATTENTION IN MARCH WITH THE TRUTH IN THE APPLICATION AND WE HAD REQUESTED MORE INFORMATION. BECAUSE FOR THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF QUESTIONS AND WE WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. BUT, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS ABLE TO HAVE HISTORIC OVERLAYS ZONING WITH WHAT WAS PROVIDED.
BUT WE EVENTUALLY FOUND SOME PHOTOS WERE A PHOTO, AND SO WE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE AND IF YOU'LL DECIDE TO VOTE DIFFERENT, YOU CAN'T.
>> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE HISTORIC PHOTO THAT YOU DID FIND.
>> WE NEED MORE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS. THE OWNER DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT LINK MORE PHOTOS LIKE A DOZEN BUT HE HAS NOT RESENTED THEM.
>> $0.25 A GALLON. AND GO BACK TO THE NEW PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S KEPT ITS INTEGRITY IT JUST ADDED, IT'S ENCLOSED THAT AUTO LIKE PULL-THROUGH INTO GLASS.
>> IT HAS BEEN ENCLOSED PRIOR TO 1980, PERHAPS MORE THAN 50 YEARS SINCE HE BECAME A FURNITURE STORE. AND HE ALSO MADE ALTERATIONS TO ONE OF THOSE ARCHWAYS GOING DOWN THE SIDE STREET TO PUT IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY. BUT HE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND IT HE DOES NOT HAVE EVIDENTIARY SUPPORT FOR IT SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS AND ASK THAT HE RESUBMIT AND HOPEFULLY WITH MORE EVIDENCE SO THAT WE, IT HAS ALL THE EVIDENCE OR AT LEAST THERE IS ENOUGH HISTORY THERE THAT CAN SUPPORT IT FOR MAYOR WINTERS AND I THINK IN THE BUILDING PLUS THE SIGN ACTUALLY GOT TO BUICK WHEN HE WAS RESTRAINED THAT SIGN AS YOU SEE FROM ALL THE NEON INSIDE THAT'S HIS HOBBY BUT IF HE DOES NOT PRESENT IT HERE WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING PROCEDURE FOR IT AND WE READ WHEN WE HAVE A
CONTINUANCE. >> WOULD IT JUST BE AT THENEXT , DOES NEED TO LEGALLY REPLY OR JUST GIVE MORE?SK HE DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLETELY REAPPLY WE WOULD JUST REQUEST THEY PROVIDE US MORE INFORMATION AND THEN BASICALLY WE WOULD WANT TO DO IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION I GUESS WE WOULD JUST PUSH IT TO THE NEXT ONE.
>> HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND TODAY, THE APPLICANT?
>> WE NOTE THAT THEAPPLICANT HAS MORE PHOTOS ?
>> YES, I HAVE SUPPLIED HIM SOME FROM THE TEXAS BOARD. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUILDING, THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING IT SERVED MANY ROLES OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS.
WE WOULD LIKE HIM TO BE HERE AND HAVE THAT ON FILE SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT.
>> KELLY, DO I OFFICIALLY TABLE THIS? MOTION TO TABLE? IT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE, DENY ORTABLE IT .
IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. SO WE TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND VOTE.
>> SO MOVE THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUANCE OR MORE EVIDENTIARY SUPPORT.
TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS MATTER.
>> NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? MR. MEYER.
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>> THE MOTION TO TABLE FOR MORE EVIDENTIARY IS GRANTED.
[3. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request by the Landmarks Commission to Recommend Updates to the Abilene Register of Historic Properties, Abilene, Taylor County, Texas. (Mason Teegardin)]
>> NUMBER 300 RESOLUTION RECEIVE A REPORT AND WHOLE DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST BY THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND UPDATES TO THE ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES ABILENE, TAYLOR COUNTY, TEXAS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC. WELL, I GUESS WE WILL DO STAFF REPORT AND THEN WE WILL DO. WHICH ONE SHOULD I DO FIRST?
>> YOU CAN DO STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY.
SO MASON TEEGARDEN FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.ODAY WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ADOPTING THE UPDATE OF THE ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. SO THERE ARE NOW 404 PROPERTIES ON THE ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. 137 HAVE HISTORIC OVERLAYS ZONING 267 DO NOT. 58 PROPERTY OUT ON CITY COUNCIL LIST.
MR. PROPERTIES. 147 PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, 51 ARE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED AND 96 OUR DISTRICT CONTRIBUTORS. EIGHT ARE RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK. AND 14 PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.
WE INCLUDED THE DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS FROM THE MEETING FROM LAST MONTH SO WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AGAIN. 2010 SHORELINE WAS TAKEN DOWN TO THE STUDS AND 202 I WAS TAKEN DOWN TO CINDERBLOCKS. DID STILL KEEP THOSE ON THE LIST.
BUT WE DO HAVE NOTE THAT THAT IS THE STATE OF THESE BUILDINGS.
SO STAFF IS PLANNING TO ADOPT A WORKPLAN STUDY AND THAT WILL BE AN UPDATE OF THE OFFICIAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND ABILENE FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSION THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL.WE WILL BE CREATING A NEW LIST OF POTENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT CAN ONE DAY BE ADDED TO THE OFFICIAL LIST.
WE ARE ESTABLISHING RATIONALE FOR EACH NEW PROPERTY IDENTIFYING IT, SORRY, IDENTIFYING ANY NEW PROPERTIES WEREN'T MADE IT HIS MISSION TO BE ADDED TO THE OFFICIAL LIST AND UPDATE THE DATABASE WITH ALL THE RATIONALE AND PRIORITY RANKING.
WE ALSO WANT TO FINALIZE THE POTENTIAL NEW PROPERTY LIST TO OBTAIN PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT. LIMERICKS COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER AN OPEN HOUSE MEETING TO INVITE THE OWNERS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE THAT THE PROPERTY MAY BE INCLUDED ON THIS LIST. WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN A QUALIFIED CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE HISTORIC INVENTORY OF ABILENE PROPERTIES TO UPDATE THE 1994 STUDY.
AND THAT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO UPDATE THE OFFICIAL ABILENE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE NEW HISTORIC INVENTORY STUDY THAT WILL BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ARE YOU STILL TAKING ADDRESSES FOR THIS?
>> YES, WE WILL BE TAKING THOSE WHENEVER YOU WANT TO SEND THEM BECAUSE WILL BE LIKE A WORK IN PROGRESS LIST SO WE WILL STILL BE TAKING THOSE WHENEVER YOU WANT TO SEND THEM.
>>COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU SEE A BUILDING THAT YOU WISH WERE ON THE LIST , NOW, THESE PROPERTIES DO NOT IMMEDIATELY HAVE HISTORICALLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ARE JUST OUR HISTORIC INVENTORY IN THE CITY. IT IS LIKE THE BASELINE I GUESS IS HOW I WOULD DESCRIBE IT TO PUT ON THE LIST SO IF THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT YOU KNOW IN TOWN SUBMIT YOUR ADDRESSES TO MASON. SHE HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN DOING THAT? A FEWMONTHS NOW.
>> I WOULD TAKE ABOUT TWO MONTHS .
>> WE ARE SEEING A GROWING NUMBER OF REALTORS ASK ABOUT ISSUES ON POSITIVE ON HOW TO GET HISTORIC OVERLAYS WHAT WOULD TAKE THE DISTRICT MANY AREAS THAT COULD QUALIFY AS DISTRICTS SO THIS IS MOVING FORWARD. IS YOUR GROUP ASKING FOR ANY MOTION TODAY FROM US TO PUSH THIS INTO P AND Z? IF YOU LOOK YOUR STAFF REPORT ON THE FINAL PAGE THERE'S A SERIES OF FOUR MOTIONS THAT WAS LISTED THERE OF ACTIONS FOR YOU
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TO CONSIDER TAKING. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE WORKPLAN WE WENT OVER TODAY IS THE SAME WHEN YOU LOOK AT LAST MONTH. SO WERE ASKING YOU TO YOUR POSITIVE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO TO WERE ASKING YOU TO FORMULATE, ADOPT THAT AS OUR MAP FORWARD. AND WE ARE ASKING YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON IT THE FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THERE TO EITHER UPDATE THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY LIST AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THAT LIST TO BRING THOSE FORWARD IMMEDIATELY THAT IF THEY ARE A HIGH PRIORITY IF WE HAVE THE RATIONALE FOR UPDATING THE PRIMARY LIST THAT WE WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND ADOPT AND ADD THOSE WERE TO SAVE THE ADDITIONS FOR THE FUTURE SO IF YOU GO THROUGH THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN ORDER OF THE SEQUENCE YOU SHOULD TAKE THOSE TO GO THROUGH THOSE FOUR TASKS. WE ASK YOU CONSIDER STEP-BY-STEP ASINDIVIDUAL MOTION .>> SO MASON, WHAT DO YOU THINK WHAT IS STAFF THINK THE TIMELINE OF HOW LONG IF WE DO EACH STEP WE TAKE? WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME, TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS I KNOW IT WILL BE DONE OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE OR SIX.
>> WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. THE REASON WE WANTED TO HAVE THE WORK PROGRAM IS SO THAT THIS COULD GO ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WAS WILLING TO DO AND WILL SCHEDULE IT WITH THE PRIORITIES FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT.
PROBABLY IN THE FIRST YEAR WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THE PROPERTIES AND IDENTIFIED START TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RATIONALE IS. THEN ONCE WE HAVE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WILL HAVE THE CONSULTANT COMMENT IN IT LIKE A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE WHENEVER WE CAN GET THE GRANT TO HAVE HIM DO THAT TO TAKE CARE OF THE EVENT STUDY FOR US.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND CIRCLE BACK AND CONSIDER UPDATING THE MASTER LIST THE PRIMARY LIST AND CHERRY PICK THE PROPERTIES USING FOR THE PRIORITIES.
IT WILL BE THREE OR FOUR STEP PROCESS TO RESEARCH IDENTIFY AND CIRCLE BACK TO THE MAIN AND ADD WHATEVER HIGH-PRIORITY YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE LIST YOU HAVE JUSTIFIED THEM WITH YOUR FINDINGS.
>> THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SMALL TOWNS OR MEDIUM-SIZED TOWNS THAT TRY TO IMPROVE THEIR PROFILE FOR PROTECTION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
>> 1994, IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE IT HAS BEEN UPDATED. DEFINITELY THINK IT NEEDS UPDATING.
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SET OF PRIORITIES. SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON EACH ONE OF THESE?
>> WELL, NOT ON THIS. BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> WE START WITH THE FIRST MOTION AND SEE HOW WE FEEL.
>> 100 IS TO ADOPT THIS WORKPLAN ON YOUR STAFF REPORT.
>> I DO NOT KNOW IF I HAVE THE STAFF REPORT.
>> YOU CAN READ THEM OUT. SO MOVE TO MAKE A DRAFT COPY SO ON AND SO FORTH AND SEE HOW PEOPLE FEEL.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE DRAFT COPY OF THE ABILENE HISTORIC RESOURCES LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO ADD OR AS WE AT TO THAT FOR THE COMMISSION.
>> AND I SECOND THAT? OKAY, I WILL SECOND IT.
>> DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS EACH ONE AND HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH ONE? IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM AND THEN YOU CAN WE BE DISCUSSED AFTERWARDS, EACH THING SEPARATELY BECAUSE THAT'S EASIER FOR THE BOARD.
YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN OR DID YOU VOTE? THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND WAS THERE A VOTE.
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THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE I WOULD GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT.>> REAL QUESTIONS ARE FURTHER ALONG.
>> WE ARE GOING TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WE ASK YOU COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE TO THE NEXT MOTION.
>> MY QUESTION FOR THE NEXT MOTION WAS BUDGETARY CONCERNS. OTHER THAN GRANTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS IS AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS? IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
>> IT COULD BE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS ON BOARD WITH THIS PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO FORMALIZE THE WORKPLAN. CITY COUNCIL WILL SEE IT WHENEVER THEY HAVE THE ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA AND THEY WILL KNOW THIS IS DIRECTION THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WANTS TO GO AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT THE BUDGET AS THE YEARS COME UP WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST PHASE DONE AND WE WANT TO SCHEDULE THAT PUTTING OUT BIDS FOR THE GRANT. WE TRIED TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE IF WE CAN SECURE THC GRANT LIKE WE DID LAST TIME OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO IT COULD BECOME PART OF THE BUDGET. WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS WHAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WANTS TO DO AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS PART OF THE FUTURE WORKPLAN FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
>> THAT WILL HELP IF YOU REPLY AGAIN FOR STREET STATUS FOR CYPRUS JUST A MORE UPDATED LIST.
>> CONCURRENTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMPILED INTO THIS DRAFT COPY COULD BE ADDED TO THE NEW PROPERTIES LIST AS THEY ARE SO CHOSEN VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST REQUEST BUT IT'S A MOTION TO MOVE ANY PROPERTIES ON FROM THE DRAFT COPY TO THE OFFICIAL LIST. TO THE A HS LIST.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECONDS.
I WILL SECOND. >> BEFORE YOU VOTE, I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS MOTION WAS TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE THE LIST OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT WE UPDATED AND WE HAD A SECONDARY LIST ARE THERE ANY PARTIES ON THE SECONDARY LIST YOU FELT SHOULD BE MOVED UP ONTO THIS LIST AT THIS POINT. YOU WANT TO LET THAT MOVING PROPERTIES AND SIMMER FOR A WHILE UNTIL WE DO MORE RESEARCH? AND THEN BRING THEM IN A LATER OR IS SOMETHING NOW LIKE HIGH-PRIORITY THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE UP AND BEPART OF THIS LIST MOVING FORWARD ?
>> THE PRESERVATION LEAGUE WE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTIES ON ELMWOOD BE PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU SHOULD FOR THE STARS I THINK KEEPING THEM ON THE LIST AND CONSIDERING THEM TO MOVE UP TO A LATER DATE SO IT WON'T SET OFF ANY ALARMS FOR US.
>> I AM HAPPY TO PUT THEM ALL ON PERSONALLY BUT BETTER TO DO THE PROCESS OF PEOPLE SEE THE GRADUAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR EACH PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE VALUE.
>> THE LIST WILL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL THEY HAVE ADOPTED OVER THE YEARS DOES HAVE THE RATIONALE ON THAT LIST. THESE NEW PROPERTIES DON'T YET. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN START LOOKING AT. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT WITH YOU AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE PROTEINS THAT ACCORDINGLY AND THE SAME CRITERIA AND NATIONAL PARKS SERVICES BEING OLD IS NOT ENOUGH. IT HAS TO HAVE AN IMPORTANT ARCHITECT OR CONTRACTOR OR SOME HISTORICAL LIVED THERE OR SOME ASPECT OF THE BUILDING OR HAD THE BUILDING CONTRIBUTES TO A ROW OF BUILDINGS. IT'S CONSIDER THEM WILL FIRST COME ON THE LIST FOR CONSIDERATION. EVERYTHING I SEEK THEY PUT ON LIST SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO OFFER FOR HISTORY. THE SIMPLEST THAT MASON HAD A WHILE AGO FOR CONSULTATION ON A PREVIOUS ITEM OR AS THE SIX CRITERIA ON THERE THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY PROPERTY ON THAT LIST. SO RIGHT HERE ARE THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS SO WITH ALL THOSE PARTIES YOU AND INVITE YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS CURE HERE YOU
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IDENTIFIED THEM THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES SATISFIES THESE CRITERIA OR SOME COMMISSION OF THESE CRITERIA ON THEIR FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE REASONS IS PROBABLY BEST NOT PUT THEM ON THE LIST AND I WILL THEN OUTLINE TO YOU DO NOT RESPECT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.>> BEFORE WE GO BACK OVER THE LIST TO RECOMMEND ANY THERE'S NONE I CAN THINK OF AT THIS EXACT MOMENT THAT I THINK, OH, WE SHOULD MOVE THAT UP TO ON A FASTER TRACK.
>> THE PERSON THAT LIVED IN IT, THE ARCHITECT SOME ARE SIGNIFICANT IN THEIR STYLE AND WHAT THEY COTRIBUTE IN A VERY OPULENT AND SOME ARE JUST WELL-MAINTAINED.
>> SOME THAT ARE JUST UNIQUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> IT MIGHT COME TO WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS ANDOPEN FORM CASE-BY-CASE .ARE THERE OTHER CRITERIA WE HAVE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN YOU FINDING?
>> OTHER THAN ONLY THE SIX ITEMS ON THE LIST REMEMBER WE WILL PRIORITIZE HIGH-PRIORITY, LOW PRIORITY AND MEDIUM PRIORITY. ONCE YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED WHICH IS THE HIGH-PRIORITY YOU MIGHT WANT TO START DOWN THAT LIST IF A BUNCH ARE ALL ON ONE BLOCK OR A COUPLE OF STREETS YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THEM AS A GROUP AND WORK THROUGH THEM.
THAT WAY. OR YOU CAN CHERRY PICK ONES IF NOT ALL ON ONE STREET YOU CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST AND SEE IF THEY ARE HIGH-PRIORITY OR IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THEM MOVING UP FASTER OR MORE OF A FAST TRACK.
>> I JUST WOULDN'T, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU INTO THINKING SOMETHING OR TAKING ITEMS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WITH PROPERTY ON THEIR WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT RESEARCH BECAUSE IT FALLS ON CITY COUNCIL I DO THINK I WOULD BE GUNG HO TO ADD PROPERTIES TO THAT LIST UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED. BY THIS COMMISSION IN MORE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT. ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THAT YOU CAN MOVE THEM ON.
WITHOUT A CLEAR JUSTIFICATION I THINK THEY WOULD BE HESITANT TO ADD PROPERTIES WITHOUT THE RESEARCH. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND, WE DON'T WANT TO PERCEIVE THEM AS PUTTING THEM ON A LIST AND HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING THEY MAY NOT BE READY TO DO. WE NEED TO DO IT REALLY SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY SO WE GET IT RIGHT AND RESEARCH. WE WANT TO REVIEW THESE SEPARATELY OR WITH THEIR GROUP AND TRY TO DISCUSS WHICH ONES WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND PUT THAT AS A MOTION FOR NEXT MEETING. ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO TRY TO BUILD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO CITY COUNCIL SO THEY CAN ASSIST IN FUNDING THE UPDATED LIST AND EVERYTHING THEY DOHERE TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD AND IT LOOKS GOOD FOR THEM AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO BE PROGRESSIVE IN THIS STILL BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT AND NOT LIKE YOU SAID JUST BUILT A HUGE LIST OF PROPERTIES.F ANY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES ALREADY HAS THE FOUR OVERLAYS THE LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL REGISTRY THAT'S EASY, YOU SHOULD PUT THEM ON THE LIST, OTHERS YOU GIVE CONSIDERATIONS AND MAKE A LIST AS A TOOL TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN MORE PRESERVATION.
>> SO THERE WAS ONE MEETING WHERE WE WENT OVER A LOT OF THIS.
I DON'T THINK YOU GOT TO ATTEN . SOME OF US HAVE LOOKED AT THE LIST SOMEWHAT. I DON'T, WE, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ADOPT EACH OF THE FOUR GO AHEAD AND READ THEM AND SEE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> WE HAVE NOT VOTED YET ON NUMBER TWO THE DRAFT COPY COULD BE MOVED INTO THE REGISTER.
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BUT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?>> YES, I MADE THE MOTION TO MOVE.
>> AND A SECOND. ARE WE GOING TO VOTE?
>> THESE COULD ALL BE MADE IN ONE LARGE MOTION BUT IT GETS LOST IN THE WORDING BRING IT UP INTO FOUR MAKES IT PRETTY CLEAR WHAT EACH STAGE IS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF ME FIND THE POWERPOINT IT'S DIFFERENT AND REALLY THIS IS NOT A LEGAL QUESTION STEP IS JUST RECOMMENDING TO EAT AN ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME AND THEY ARE SUGGESTING THE PROCESS YOU MIGHT FOLLOW BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SO YOU CAN FORMULATE YOUR EMOTIONS, YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DO THAT WORK DISCUSS. CONTINUE NEXT TIME.
>> I ADDED LIMITED NUMBER ONE AND I CAN AD LIB. NUMBER THREE.
>> OUR PREVIOUS MEETING GOING DOWN THE LIST WE HAVE ADDRESSES WE HAVE TO ENVISION WHAT IT THE HOUSE WAS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STUFF TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE ADDRESSES IT WAS LACKING WHICH IS A BIG JOB TO GET THE PHOTOS TO THOSE ADDRESSES BUT IF WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST AND WE COULD SEE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVE OUR OWN LIST TO DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ON THE LIST INSTEAD OF MEETING LIKE THIS IF WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE GO THROUGH A LIST OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ACTUALLY A PUBLIC MEETING TO DO THIS WORK?
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM. JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE MEETING WE HAD LAST MONTH WE ORIGINALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE CHAIRMAN AND SHE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO COME IN AND KIND OF THROW OUT A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES SHE THOUGHT WERE WORTH CONSIDERATION THAT HAS RESTORABLE HISTORICAL RESOURCES.
DO THE SAME AND KIND OF FILL THAT LIST UP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THE WHOLE CITY.
SHE IS GOOD BUT SHE CAN'T DO THE WHOLE CITY BY HERSELF SHE WANTED EVERYONE TO PUT INPUT SO WE CAME UP WITH A MASTER LIST. ONCE WE HAD THE MASTER LIST OF PROPERTIES WE WANTED TO CONSIDER THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE RESEARCH. I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE THE FULL LIST BECAUSE EVEN AS MR. PEBBLES SAID SHE DIDN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
>> THERE ARE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT DRIVE YOU.
>> I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS FOR YOU ALL TO FINALIZE THE POTENTIAL LIST.
AND THEN WE WILL START DRILLING DOWN LIKE YOU SAID ON EACH ONE OF THOSE ADDRESSES WITH PHOTOS AND WHATEVER INFORMATION WE CAN UNCOVER BY LOOKING, IN GENERAL, AT THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEN IF WE CAN GENERALLY PRESENT THOSE IN THIS FORUM OR AS A WORKSHOP ITEM WHERE WE SAY THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE LIST CAN WE DISCUSS? DO IT LIKE THAT AND BREAK IT DOWN ANYWAY. ONCE WE HAVE THE LIST WE WANT TO SET YOUR PRIORITIES.
THESE ARE THE A-LIST, THE LIST ANDSEE LIST . AND THEN WE WE WILL START PRIORITIZING THE A-LIST AND THEN LOOK THROUGH THAT LIST AND THAT EACH OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US A COUPLE YEARS TO GO THROUGH I THINK WE ONLY HAVE, WHAT, FOUR PROPERTIES ON THE POTENTIAL.
>> IT WOULD BE MAYBE SEVERAL WORKSHOPS.
>> IT WILL BE A SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT WILL GIVE US A REASON TO MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR TO WORK THERE. SO SOMETIMES POSSIBLY WE DON'T HAVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, FORWARD IN THE PAST WE HAVE JUST NOT MET.
INSTEAD, WE CAN POSSIBLY WORK ON THIS LIST. AND WE SO WILL HAVE A MEETING
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EVERY MONTH MAYBE NOW BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING ON THIS LIST WE CAN JUST NOT ME, CANCEL THE MEETING . OKAY FOR TODAY, DO YOU WANT TO, AS A PLAN, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE OTHER TWO STEPS?>> JUST AN APPROVAL BE PART OF THE LIST AND HAVE IT BE PART OF THE RECORD.
>> THE NUMBER ON THEIR THREE AND FOUR RIGHT THERE SO YOU NEED TO, YOU WANT TO READ IT
FOR US 2 >> THREE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND SHALL BE MADE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE UPDATED AR HP LIST.
>> THAT MEANS LIKE WHEN WE GET IT ALL DONE.
>> YEAH. AND THEN A NUMBER FOUR IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WORK PLAN AS SUMMARIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION THREE IS TO APPROVE THE MASTER LIST AS MASON PRESENTED WITH THE FOUR PROPERTIES SHOWING AS BEING DEMOED AND THE BOARD AND PROPERTY IN THE OTHER PROPERTIES WITH HO ZONING APPROVAL THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WERE ON THE LIST PREVIOUSLY.
>> SO THAT'S THE CURRENT LIST.
>> THAT'S THE PRIMARY LIST THE ONE THAT YOU WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT MONTH AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE BY RESOLUTION THE MASTER LIST AND THAT THE SECOND MOTION NUMBER FOUR IS TO APPROVE, IS TO THAT ONE WE COULD ACTUALLY SKIP. SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO BE ADDING NEW PROPERTIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS LEAVE THAT LIST (SHE GOT TO A POINT WHERE NOW THE LIST IS COMPLETE. AND THEN APPROVE IT AT THAT POINT.
>> WHICH MAY BE QUITE A WHILE AWAY.
>> RIGHT, IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE SINCE, THE MOTION WAS PUT IN THIS REPORT ON THE ASSUMPTION YOU WOULD FINALIZE THE LIST TODAY BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
I THINK YOU ALL STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO AS THE STAFF TO IDENTIFY OTHER PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN'T SKIP NUMBER FOUR, YOU CAN SKIP NUMBER FOUR. WE SHOULD PROVE NUMBER THREE IS THE MASTER LIST THE OFFICIAL ONE FOR 2023 FORWARD. YOU CAN AT LEAST ADOPT IT WITH ANYTHING ON YOUR POTENTIAL LIST. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> AT THE VERY LEAST HOW THE CURRENT LIST HAS CHANGED SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED SO WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY APPROVE THE CURRENT LIST BECAUSE IT HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHING BUT THEY HAVE FINE-TUNED IT AND MADE DIFFERENT, I LOVE THAT MASON PUT DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ON THE LIST. THE NATIONAL REGISTER, TEXAS HISTORICAL LANDMARKS, THE CITY, THE ONE WITH HO ZONING'S THERE'S ALL THE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ON THE ONES WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE UPDATED LIST THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT HAS BEEN REFINED BY STAFF THIS SUMMER?
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE UPDATED LIST SHOW THE DEMOLISHED ONCE THE UP-TO-DATE LIST. > SECOND.
>> JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE THAT NEW LIST DOES ALSO INCLUDED THE BOARD BUILDING.
WE WILL SEND YOU THAT PDF. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY FILED THEIR PAPERS WITH THE THC FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AM I THC FOR THE CITY TO COMMENT ON SO WE HAVE THIS 98 PAGE FULL DOCUMENT SHOWS THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, PHOTOS OF THE INSIDE, FLOOR PLAN, IT PROVIDES THE HISTORY AND LEGACY OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT SO WILL GET THAT OUT TO YOU.
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IT'S REALLY IN-DEPTH THAT RESEARCH THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PUT THAT IN A DOCUMENT ALL FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER. VERY IMPRESSIVE.YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. > ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION MY PACKET PRINTED OUT SO I JUST COME BY AND PICK IT UP SO THE NEW LIST AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PACKET PRINTED AND THEN WE WILL JUST GO BY AND PICK THEM UP OR WHATEVER JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. SO WOULD YOU MIND DOING YOUR PACKET FOR EVERYONE TO PICK UP? MELISSA. YEAH, OKAY.
>> ANY OTHER BUSINESS? IF THERE IS NO OTHER FURTHER BUSINESS THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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