Jun 04, 2024 Planning & Zoning

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> I CALL THIS JUNE MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WILL YOU BLESS US, PLEASE?

>> DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE WISDOM TO THOSE PRESENTING. WISDOM TO THOSE WHO ARE HERE TO EXPRESS THEIR -- AS WILL TO ALL SERVE OUR NEIGHBORS AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. AS OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY PREPARES FOR NEXT WEEK'S CHILDREN'S ART AND FOR THAT ART AND LITERATURE -- HELP US TO BE HOSPITABLE AND WELCOMING TO THEM. WE ASK -- WE ASK YOUR CONTINUED BLESSING ON THIS COMMUNITY. IN YOUR NAME WE

PRAY, AMEN. >> PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR -- RECOMMENDED BORE OF THE CITY COUNCIL A MATTER OF ZONING.

TO THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY NO LATER THAN 10 DAYS OF THIS MEETING. THE APPEAL MUST BE IN WRITING.

WISHING TO BE HEARD SHOW UP APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME -- THE SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. ADDITIONAL

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INAUDIBLE ] FOR THE FIRST TIME, IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. DOES ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS? OR ANY CHANGES NEEDING TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE? IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING . MAY HAVE A MOTION ON A SECOND?

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>> SECOND-PERIOD >> ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS PLATTS --

>> I AM ADAM -- A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. I WILL BE PRESENTING 3424-FP. THE DENALI ADDITION, SECTION 201. THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 3, ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF -- APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ALL -- MUST BE COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH GROUP PLANS. AND ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. ADDITIONALLY, CITY STAFF A MUCH -- MUST BE FURNISHED WITH -- TITLE COMMITMENT OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTIES. UP NEXT IS 3524-MP . SPEEDWAY CHAPEL HILL MOBILE RESORT PARK. THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 3, ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE SAME CONDITION. ALL PUBLIC APPROVALS -- IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE APPROVED OR COMPLETED WITH A FINANCIAL GUARANTEE IN ORDER TO SECURE THE OBLIGATIONS OF ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO RECORDING. AND CITY STAFF MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A TITLE OPINION OR TITLE COMMITMENT LETTER ISSUED. UP NEXT IS 3624-MP . THE LANCIUM SUBDIVISION, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND FOUND CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. -- BLOCK ONE -- CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A STREET FRONTAGE. HOWEVER, THERE IS AN ACCESS THAT HAS BEEN GRANTED FOR -- IN ORDER TO SECURE SOME FRONTAGE ACCESS. CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS BE COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPROVED PLANS AND INSPECTED FOR ACCEPTANCE. FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A FINANCIAL GUARANTEE. AND CITY STAFF MUST BE FURNISHED WITH A -- OR LETTER. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> WOULD YOU PUT THE STUDENTS WROTE -- WE HAD THREE ON THE AGENDA AND TWO IN THE PACKET. THIS IS OUT THERE -- WAS THE NAME OF IT, LANCIA? LYCEUM -- LANCIUM SUBDIVISION.

>> GIVE ME A SECOND. >> CAN I ZOOM IN ?

>> I DO NOT THINK SO. WHERE IS THE EASEMENT ?

>> IT IS DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE. ISIN LOT ONE BLOCK C.

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>> NEXT ITEM. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYONE OF THESE? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE IT. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> MR. BARNETT?

>> MR. BENHAM? MS. FLEMING? -- MOTION CARRIES.

[ZONING]

>> ZONING CASE SNC-2024-0 STREET NAME CHANGE ON NORTH

13TH STREET. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MASON TEEGARDIN, I AM A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. I WILL BE PRESENTING CASE SNC-2024-0 . THE APPLICANT IS REVERENT LANKFORD. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE A PORTION OF NORTH 13TH STREET TO GLADYS ABOR STREET. IT'S LOCATED ON NORTH 13TH BETWEEN GRAPE STREET AND NORTH TREADWAY. HERE WE HAVE THE AREA OF LOCATION. AS WELL AS THE ZONING MAP. AND SOME -- VIEWS OF THE -- STREET. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN A 200 FOOT BUFFER OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR AND NINE IN OPPOSITION WITH A 3.7% OPPOSITION. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT CONTAIN CRITERIA TO ASSESS A STREET NAME -- APPROPRIATE. IF THE COMMISSION SAYS THE -- IS APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS A -- THE APPLICANT SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NAME CHANGE, INCLUDING THE COST OF PRODUCING AND INSTALLING NEW STREET SIGNS AND THE ADDRESS CHANGE FEE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> GO AHEAD.

>> WE HAVE A LONG-STANDING TRADITION OF --

>> YES. >> -- IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. IS THERE A REASON THE APPLICANT WAS NOT INTERESTED IN --

>> -- >> JUST SAYING, WE HAVE A TRADITION IN SEVERAL STREETS IN ABILENE WITH HONORARY STREET NAMES WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE TWO NAMES FOR THE STREET. I WAS WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT CONSIDERED THAT APPROACH VERSUS

A FULL NAME CHANGE . >> I DON'T SEE REVERENT LANKFORD HERE, I KNOW HE TURNED IN THE APPLICATION, HE DID NOT HAVE THE PETITION FOR THE HONORARY STREET NAME CHANGE. SO HE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE PERMANENT STREET NAME CHANGE

INSTEAD. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MASON? NOT -- WITH ANYONE LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE

STREET NAME CHANGE? >> MY NAME IS JAMAAL.

INAUDIBLE ] I WOULD LIKE AN HONORARY -- NAME STREET CHANGE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY REVEREND IZIAR LANKFORD DID NOT SAY

THAT. THAT IS WHAT I WANT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP? SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MASON, OR RANDY, WHAT IS THE PROCESS ? WHAT CAN WE DO HERE VERSUS HONORARY? HAS HONORARY COME TO

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US? >> YES. HONORARY COMES TO YOU AND PERMANENT COMES TO YOU. THE PROBLEM IS THE PROCESS TO OBTAIN AN HONORARY STREET CHANGE IN THE CODE IS MORE DIFFICULT. TO ME, THEY SHOULD BE FLIPS. THE PERMANENT ONE HAS LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ADDRESSES ALONG THE ROAD. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO EMPLOY PEOPLE TO GO WITH HONORARY STREET NAME CHANGE AS OPTION ONE. BECAUSE OF THAT ANOMALY IN ORDINANCE, THEY TYPICALLY GO THE OTHER ROUTE, MAKING IT PERMANENT. IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE NINE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED. IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 200 PEOPLE -- AND WE HAVE THAT KIND OF RESPONSE. IF YOU WANT TO GO HONORARY, I DO NOT BELIEVE -- I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN DOWN ZONE IT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AND RECOMMEND UP OR DOWN AS IT IS PRESENTED IF THE APPLICANT HAS A CHOICE .

AND BRING IT BACK IN SOME OTHER FORM. DID THAT GET TO THE JUST?

>> YES. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, CAN WE VOTE TO DO AN HONORARY NAME CHANGE AND MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNSEL EXLEY I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN. -- IF SHE BELIEVES WE CAN DO THAT.

THE REASON WHY I SAY IT IS THE PROCESS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT. -- WE DO NOT HAVE THAT TODAY. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ALL NOTIFIED.

SOME OF THEM SPOKE UP AND MADE HER OPPOSITION KNOWN TO STAFF.

DIFFERENT PROCESS. YOU ARE ASKING IF WE COULD SWITCH THAT TODAY? I BELIEVE IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS. WE WOULD

HAVE TO COME BACK. >> AND GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCEDURE OF GETTING THE PETITION SIGNED BY 51% OF THE

OWNERS WHO WERE AFFECTED. >> THERE ARE TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED. EVERY TIME THEY COME UP, IT DOES FEEL LIKE PEOPLE OPT FOR PERMANENT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT. THAT SEEMS BACKWARDS. IT SEEMS PROBLEMATIC AND CREATES ALL THE STREET SIGNS AND EVERYTHING, RATHER THAN SANTA CLAUS DRIVE, ON CEDAR, WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT ANYONE -- AND THEN THE SECOND ONE. I CONTINUE TO THINK WHETHER IT'S THE HISTORIC COMMISSION , OR COULD GIVE AN ADVISORY COMMENT ON SOME OF THESE. THE WAY THEY DO WITH HISTORIC SITES OR DIFFERENT OVERLAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US AS A COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS BEEN LOOKED AT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGE THE BYLAWS OR AT LEAST ENCOURAGE THAT AS A PROCESS. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS, AT LEAST FOR ME, ANYTIME THIS IS HAPPENED.

ANYTIME IT HAS COME UP, I WOULD'VE APPRECIATED A LITTLE MORE OF A COUNSEL. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS AS WE LOOK TO IT.

WITH THE NIGHT OPPOSITIONS AND ONLY ONE PERSON SPEAKING UP TODAY, AND THAT PERSON SPEAKING UP IN FAVOR OF AN HONORARY STREET NAME. MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO DECLINE IT TODAY AND ENCOURAGE REVEREND IZIAR LANKFORD, EVEN THOUGH WITH MORE ARDUOUS PROCESS, FOR THE HONORARY STREET. THAT IS WHERE I SIT RIGHT NOW. JUST ON WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PACKET.

>> I THINK PROPERTY OWNERS UP AND DOWN THE STREET ARE FAR MORE INCLINED TO SIGN A PETITION SIGNED THAT JUST APPROVING AN HONORARY STREET NAME WHERE THEIR BUSINESS CARDS OR WHATEVER ARE NOT CHANGING FROM THE LEGAL NORTH 13TH NAME WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WERE IF YOU CHANGE THE PERMANENT NAME OF THE STREET ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE CHANGE FOR EACH PROPERTY OWNER AT -- UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

>> KNOWING THE HISTORY OF MRS. GLADYS A BAR IN WHICH SHE BROUGHT TO THE ABILENE COMMUNITY, I WOULD BE IN SOME COURT OF HONORARY NAME CHANGE. AS MR. -- SAID. FOR STAFF DISCUSSION, DO THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY? WHAT IS THE PROCESS?

>> THAT IS WHAT RANDY IS SAYING. IT'S A COMPLETELY

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>> BASICALLY THE SAME CONTACT AREA NEEDS 51% SIGNING OFF

SAYING THEY ARE OKAY WITH IT. >> I WOULD ECHO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. I FEEL LIKE SHE IS CERTAINLY WORTHY OF HONOR FROM EVERYTHING I HAVE READ ABOUT HER.

ONE THING I WOULD ACTUALLY ADD IS I SUGGEST CONTINUING THE HONORARY NAMING FOR THAT ONE LITTLE STRIP OF STREET THAT IS LEFT BETWEEN TREADWAY AND WHERE IT ACTUALLY TRANSITIONS AGAIN.

>> I THOUGHT IS THAT ALL THE WAY TO ALL MEN.

>> WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING FROM GREAT STREW FROM -- TO TREADWAY. AND THEN NORTH 13TH CONTINUES FOR A COUPLE OF MORE LOCKS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERY APPLICATION. I SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THIS ROOM , I BELIEVE IT IS A WELL-DESERVED.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF VOTING THIS DOWN AND INCREASING THE LENGTH OF THE ANNA MERRIAM -- HONORARIUM AND COMING BACK . I DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE GETTING THE REQUIRED

NUMBER OF SIGNATURES. >> MR. ABOR, ARE YOU FOLLOWING? YOU COULD COME BACK AND DO THE PETITION AND WE CAN PROCEED

WITH THE HONORARY. >> I WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HAS HEARD OUR CONVERSATION. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR CONVERSATION IS CENTERED AROUND? AND HOW WE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK WE ARE READY

FOR A MOTION. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE MOTION -- I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING , ENCOURAGED TO REAPPLY FOR THE HONORARY.

>> I WILL SECOND.

>> THE MOTION CARRIES. >> IF YOU WERE HERE FOR JUST THAT CASE, AND YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, FEEL FREE.

>> I AM HAPPY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT TO REVEREND IZIAR LANKFORD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED. I AM SURE HE WANTED TO BE HERE . IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PICK IT UP, I DO HAVE THE RESOLUTION -- WITH ALL OF THOSE REGULATIONS. AND HOW HE CAN APPLY FOR THAT. IF ANYONE WANTS THEM.

>> CASE Z-2024-12. TO CREATE A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PD 187. AT THREE $.68. -- 368 CENTENARY DRIVE. ADAM.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WILL BE PRESENTING CASE Z-2024-12 .

THIS IS REPRESENTED BY CIVETTA SOLUTIONS. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 12 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY PAT PLAN IS THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 187. HERE'S AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY. THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THIS PARTICULAR AREA TO THE MD CLASSIFICATION. BASE ZONING OF MD WITH THE SPECIFIC ALLOWANCE OF BUILDING MORE THAN FOUR LOTS -- FOR UNITS THAT JUST FOUR UNITS ON A LOT. THE LDC ORDINARILY REQUIRES A MAXIMUM OF FOUR LOTS. FOUR UNITS PER LOT. EXCUSE ME. AND THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT 12 UNITS PER ACRE REQUIREMENT WOULD STAY IN PLACE. HOWEVER, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS PER LOT WOULD EXTEND UPWARD. FROM THERE. HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY. AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. CURRENTLY PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND EAST IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL OPEN. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RS SIX, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY. FURTHER SOUTH, THERE IS HEAVILY COMMERCIAL ZONE -- ZONING. HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS VACANT. AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY USED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCIES. HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN KIND OF SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY

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WHERE AN ALLEY SEPARATED A LOT ZONED FROM LOT ZONED RS SIX, A TYPE A BUFFER SHALL BE REQUIRED. WHERE A LOT ZONED AND HE WILL JOIN PROPERTY -- EXCEPT AS MODIFIED IN CONDITION FIVE.

WHEN A LOT ZONED MD WILL DIRECTLY ADJOIN A LOT ARE 06 -- WITHOUT INTERVENING ALLEYS, OR WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT DIRECTLY FACED TOWARD THE LOT ZONE SHALL BE LIMITED. IF PROPERTIES ADJOINING THE ACREAGE TO THE NORTH AND WEST OBTAIN A REPORTED PLAT, BEFORE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY -- THE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT OF CONDITION THREE SHALL BE UPGRADED TO A TYPE BE A BUFFER YARD. BASICALLY, IF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE ZONED AND A PLAT IS RECORDED, IT SHALL BE AN UPGRADED BUFFER. THE FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER LOT -- OF THE MD DISTRICT SHALL BE RESCINDED. NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER STRUCTURE, AS INTENDED IN THE MD DISTRICT. PATIO HOMES AND TOWNHOUSES SHALL BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> FOUR UNITS PER LOTS. IS THERE A CRITERIA OR HOW LONG IT HAS TO BE?

>> NOT IN THIS INSTANCE. THE INTENT IS TO REMOVE --

>> AND JUST IN GENERAL. IF YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS PER LOT. YOU

COULD NOT PUT -- >> THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARD FOUR -- 412 UNITS PER ACRE. WHATEVER LOT SIZE IS CREATED, THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM OF 12 UNITS

PER ACRE. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAYOUT? IS THAT CURRENTLY PLATTED?

>> YES, IT IS PLATTED IN LOT THAT ARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE ADJOINING LOTS. THERE ARE SIX SIZED LOTS.

>> 60 BY 100? >> YES, ROUGHLY.

>> AND THOSE FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY LOT THAT ARE THERE IN THE MIDDLE, THOSE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED?

>> THEY DO NOT HAVE HOUSES, THEY ARE VACANT.

>> THEY ARE JUST REMAINING FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOT?

>> YES. >> IT MENTIONED THAT SEVERAL OF THESE LOT DO NOT HAVE UTILITIES RUNNING TO THEM. THE FOUR UP IN THE CORNER, THEY DO NOT HAVE UTILITIES TO THEM YET?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. >> I SHOULD'VE ASKED YOU THIS AHEAD OF TIME TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE ANSWER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THERE ARE IN THIS EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT OFF HAND.

>> YOU SAID 6000 SQUARE FEET LOT S . IT WOULD TAKE SEVEN TO

GET AN ACRE. >> ROUGHLY SEVEN DWELLINGS .

OKAY. I LIKE SITTING NEXT TO THE ENGINEER.

>> WHEN DID YOU ADD THIS SECOND -- MEDIUM DENSITY. I DON'T SEE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH A SECOND FLOOR. AND I'M NOT THINKING APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SECOND-FLOOR, WHY WAS THAT

ADDED? >> THAT WAS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IN CASE THERE WAS A SECOND STORY APARTMENT. THEN JUST TO PROTECT NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ACROSS AN

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>> THAT SECOND FLOOR, WITH THAT APPLY TO PATIO HOMES AND

TOWNHOMES AS WELL? >> I BELIEVE SO. UNDER THESE

CONDITIONS. >> IF THEY DO A TWO-STORY TOWNHOUSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THEY CANNOT HAVE A WINDOW

OVERLOOKING? >> THAT WAS MY CONCERN. ALL OF THE CONDITIONS . TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE WERE SO MANY CONDITIONS WITH THIS. BUT YOU SAID IT WAS TO PROTECT THE

NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. >> THAT IS CONNECT -- CORRECT.

>> I WAS -- I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY. IT IS UNDEVELOPED.

>> THERE ARE SOME LOTS . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ADAM? I'M HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME UP

AND ADDRESS THE CASE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHERYL SAWYERS. CIVETTA SOLUTIONS. I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT'S ON THIS ZONING CASE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO FORGIVE ME, THERE IS A LOT HERE ON THE CONDITIONS I NEED TO ADDRESS. I MIGHT NEED A LITTLE EXTRA TIME, SINCE I'M REPRESENTING ALL OF THE APPLICANTS THAT ON THIS. WHEN MY APPLICANT S CAME TO ME, THEY HAD A VISION FOR PASADENA HEIGHTS. THIS HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CREATED IN THE 1950S. AND IN THE LAST 74 YEARS, OVER ONE THIRD HAVE BEEN VACANT AND UNIMPROVED. THE VISION FOR THE FUTURE WITH THE FINISH OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO ADD DENSITY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE GROWING HOUSING SHORTAGES WE HAVE ALL BEEN ABLE TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE. AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACQUIRED THE MAJORITY OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH VARIOUS AGENCIES TO GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT VELTMAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. COSTS, TIMELINES, AND ANY OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THEY MIGHT NEED. WHETHER IT IS SEWER, WATER, -- THIS IS NOT A REALLY GREAT REPRESENTATION. IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IT IS JUST DENSE MESQUITE TREES. WERE EVERYTHING YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED, IT IS JUST DENSE MESQUITE TREES. GIVEN THE HISTORICAL FLOODING THAT HAPPENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE REASON WHY WE CAME WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND ASKED THE LOTS TO BE INTERPRETED THE WAY WE DID WAS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE MOST THAT WE COULD WITH WHAT IS THERE. BECAUSE WITHOUT ANY FUTURE ENGINEERING OR ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT OTHER FLOOD CONDITIONS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MITIGATE BECAUSE ALL OF NORTHWAY FLOOD AND THEN IF YOU'RE ON LANCASTER ON THE WRONG DAY, THERE ARE FISH SWIMMING UP THAT STREET AS WELL. THE CURRENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE BEEN INTERPRETING THE LDC DIFFERENTLY RECENTLY TO ALLOW MORE THAN FOUR UNITS TO BE BUILT . BUT SINCE MY CLIENT DOES NOT HAVE A SOLID TIMELINE UNDER WHICH THEY WANT TO DEVELOP . THE ONLY REASON WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS JUST IN CASE IT'S NO LONGER INTERPRETED THAT WAY, THAT THIS

CLIENT WOULD GET THAT TOO. >> HOWEVER, IN THE PAST TWO DAYS, I HAVE AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH AND THE EAS. AND ALSO SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND ONE THING WE REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE STAFF REPORT DOES SAY THAT WE WANTED TO BUILD A LOW-DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX, THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF MY CLIENT. IT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN TO JUST BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT WHAT THEY COULD ON THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD OUT ON.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS CONFUSION FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF MIX UP ON WHETHER IT WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THIS APPLICATION. AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I SPOKE WITH MR. LITTLEJOHN AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE BEST TO GO THERE.

WE CAME UP WITH THIS SCENARIO. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WERE PRETTY UPSET ABOUT THE BUILDOUT IN GENERAL OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENT TO UPSET ANY

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I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CONDITIONS . NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NUMBER ONE, WHERE THE ZONE A JOINT RS-6, A BUFFER YARD. A TIGHT BEAM BUFFER ISRAEL WIRED BETWEEN HEAVY COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, GENERAL RETAIL AND IT REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT BUFFER YARD +25 POINTS. TOP THREE TOP -- TALKING MASONRY -- IN THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE, THE BUFFER IS RESERVED FOR MORE INTENSE USES TO PROTECT THE SURROUNDING AREAS FROM NUISANCES SUCH AS OBNOXIOUS ODORS, UNSIGHTLY THINGS, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND NOISE. IT IS SIMPLY NOT REQUIRED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY OF ABILENE , WERE THE ZONING TRANSITIONS FROM MEDIUM DENSITY TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING. I STOPPED COUNTING YESTERDAY AT 147 WHOLE CITY BLOCKS WERE MEDIUM DENSITY BACK UP TO RS-6 . ALL THAT IS REQUIRED THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS A TYPE A BUFFER. THAT IS ONLY A FIVE FOOT YARD AND A FENCE. CREATING THIS CONDITION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ONLY UNPRECEDENTED, BUT IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHY IT CREATED JUST FOR THIS AREA OF ABILENE, CONSIDERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THE 1950S. MY CLIENT IS TRYING TO CREATE A ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE TO THE TYPOGRAPHY AND ALSO THE -- NUMBER TWO, WHERE THE ALLEY SEPARATES A ZONE FROM MD TO RS-6 TYPE A BUFFER YARD, THAT IS ALREADY REQUIRED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT , ADDING ANY EXTRA LANGUAGE IN THERE JUST COMPLICATES THINGS AND MAKES IT HARD FOR THE FUTURE. NUMBER THREE, WERE LOT MD WOULD JOINT PROPERTY AO, THE BUFFER IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE AGRICULTURAL OPEN-SPACE BY NATURE IS AGRICULTURAL. BUFFERS ARE MEANT TO BE A VISUAL SCREEN WHERE THERE IS NO NEED TO BE A VISUAL SCREEN FROM A DUPLEX OR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME FROM A MESQUITE TREE OR SOME COWS. THIS CONDITION APPEARS TO BE PREEMPTIVE SCREENING FROM USES THAT DO NOT YET CURRENTLY EXIST. AND HAVE NOT COME BEFORE THE GOVERNING BOARD OR ZONING.

I STOPPED COUNTING AT 30 CITY BLOCKS WHERE THERE WAS A MEDIUM DENSITY BLOCK OF HOUSING AND THEY ADJOINED AO AGRICULTURAL OPEN-SPACE. IF THIS CONDITION IS ADOPTED IN THE RESULT, IT SETS A NEW PRECEDENT THAT MEDIUM DENSITY AND OTHER INTENSE USES MUST BE -- FROM AGRICULTURAL SPACES. NUMBER FOUR, CURRENTLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS FOR BOTH SINGLE-FAMILY AND MEDIUM DENSE THE HOUSING AND ALL OTHER HOUSING TYPES TO BUILD UP TO TWO STORIES. WHILE IT IS NOT THE INTENT OF MY CLIENT RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT TO BUILD TWO RESTRUCTURES, THE CONDITION DIRECTLY GOES AGAINST THE CURRENT PERMITTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR EVEN THE BASE ZONING. REMEMBER, THE REASON FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN FOUR UNITS PER LOT. AND OUR APPLICATION WAS NEVER STATING WE WANTED A LOW-DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.

RESTRICTING WINDOWS IN IT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR SECOND FLOORS SEEMS DISCRIMINATORY CONSIDERING ALL OTHER HOUSING TYPES AND ABILENE 'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE STORY AND DO NOT REGULATE WHERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE PLACED. NUMBER FIVE, IF THE PROPERTY ADJOINING THE ACREAGE IN THE NORTHWEST ATTAIN THE RECORDED PLAT, THERE REQUIRING OF A TYPE A BUFFER FROM AO IS ABSURD. BUT REQUIRING A TYPE THE BUFFER , MASONRY WALL , EXTRA TREES, EXTRA BUFFER YARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLATTED THEIR PROPERTY, AGAIN, IT REALLY BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY? THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST HAVE NOT RECORDED A PLAT OR REZONED THEIR PROPERTIES. PER HOUR LAND DEVELOPING CODE,

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THIS CASE IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN FUTURE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT MAP ARE IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE ZONING. FURTHERMORE, THE PROPERTIES IN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DO NOT NEED TO FILE A REPLY TO ACTUALLY BUILD, AS THE MAJORITY ARE ALREADY PLATTED LOTS. THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE I HAVE COUNTED WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ALREADY HAPPENING. ARE CURRENTLY BEING BUILT. I WILL SAVE US SOME TIME IN GOING THROUGH THOSE THREE.

BUT, IN SPEAKING WITH ACU AND THE OTHER ROBBERY OWNERS , MY CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THEIR APPLICATION TO BE MEDIUM DENSITY, PATIO HOMES AND TOWNHOMES AND THE ONLY STIPULATION AND ONLY CONDITION WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THERE IS THAT WE CANNOT BUILD QUADRO PLEXUS. WE CANNOT BUILD MORE THAN FOUR UNITS PER LOT. MY CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND DO NOT WANT TO BUILD ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE THEIR NEIGHBORS UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT IT STILL REQUIRES A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IF YOU WILL ALLOW THE BASE ZONING OF MEDIUM DENSITY PATIO HOUSING OR TOWNHOMES. -- REQUIRES ANY TYPES OF BUILDOUT, WHATEVER THE SET BACKS MAY BE, WHENEVER THEY PUT THAT IN THERE. GIVEN THOSE, I REALIZE THIS IS QUITE A LOT. GIVEN THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM -- SENIOR PASTOR OF -- MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. I'M HERE TO GIVE SUPPORT IN WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS AFTERNOON. LET ME GO BACK JUST A FEW MINUTES.

I WILL NOT BE LONG WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I AM A PRODUCT THAT GREW UP IN THE PASADENA HEIGHTS AREA. WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS FIRST PUT TOGETHER BACK IN THE 1950S, MY FAMILY AND A FEW OTHERS WERE SOME OF THE FIRST FAMILIES THAT CAME UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I NO LONGER LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN AND SUPPORT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY AND WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED OVER THE YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY SUPPORT IS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME DEVELOPMENT TAKE PLACE. AS WE -- DRIVE THE STREETS, WE'VE SEEN SOME BACK AREAS OF PASADENA HEIGHTS THAT IS VERY MUCH UNDERDEVELOPED , THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND PUT SOMETHING MORE PROGRESSIVE TO HELP SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. I DO PRAY THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY OF PASADENA HEIGHTS BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER . THEY HAVE TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING IN A POSITIVE WAY. THE DEVELOPER I DO KNOW AND HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH HIM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS ABOUT WHAT HE WANTED TO DO FOR THAT AREA, AND THE PROPERTIES HE HAS IN THERE. AS A PROPERTY OWNER MYSELF, MY INTENT FOR MY PROPERTY IS NOT IN PASADENA HEIGHTS -- IS TO DO SOME DEVELOPMENT TO UPGRADE, TO INCREASE AND ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I BELIEVE THAT IF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENHANCE, I NEIGHBORHOOD IS DEVELOPED, IT WILL BE A PROGRESSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. I LIVE ON -- THE ONLY STREET ON SHADOWWOOD THAT IS GOING TO BE AFFECT. I HAVE NOT SEEN HER. I HAVE NOT SPOKE TO YOU. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOT.

>> WOULD YOU PLACE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> MELISSA -- I LIVE LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. OR IN THE ROAD. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO SHE IS. WE HAVE NOT SEEN HER.

AND SHE SAYS SHE HAS TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS, SHE IS NOT SPOKE TO THE LOT OF US. I WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED. IF YOU LOOK AT 418, 2023 OF JANUARY, IT IS A BRAND-NEW HOME -- $15,000. IF YOU GO RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE. IT IS NOT GOING

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BECAUSE WE ARE CONTENT WITH WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE CHAOS GOING BACK AND FORTH . JUST LIKE WHEN THE WALMART WAS THERE. ALL THE TRASH WAS BLOWING BACK. GUESS WHO WAS PICKING IT UP? PD RESIDENTS. WE'LL HAVE MORE TRASH COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT PLANS AND TWO STORIES. IS GOING TO END UP BEING A FULL COMPLEX OUT THERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PD OR THE

RESIDENTS . >> THEIR ALREADY PLANNED FOR

TWO STREET THERE WAS -- >> CORRECT. FOR HER TO SAY SHE IS TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS, AND THE WAY SHE HAS PRESENTED IT, SHE HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THE DIRECT ONE THAT WOULD BE

DIRECTLY AFFECTED. >> WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT

THE MEDIUM DENSITY? >> I AM CONCERNED COMPLETELY ABOUT THE SAFETY, THE TRASH, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A POSITIVE OF THIS. IS GOING TO RAISE THE PROPERTY VALUE BUT IN THREE OR FIVE YEARS, WHAT WILL WE DO? IT'S GOING TO BE AT 418 AND WILL BE LOWERED DOWN. ARE WE TRYING TO LOWER PD? OR BRING PD BACKUP? IF YOU ARE GETTING VENTURES, -- RENTERS, THEY WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF IT. IF YOU DRIVE AROUND PD, YOU WILL KNOW WHO OWNS THAT HOUSE, WHO RENTS IT. IT WILL BE THE SAME THING AS A -- THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT

EVERY NIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM SABRINA KELLEY -- MY PARENTS BUILT THAT HOME IN 1959. I MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE WHEN WE WERE ABOUT FOUR. GUESS WHERE I LIVED IN THAT HOUSE? I HAVE DONE LOTS TO KEEP UP MY PARENT'S PROPERTY.

NEXT-DOOR, MY SON LIVES IN HIS GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE. HE HAS DONE A LOT TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY. YES, I LIVE 352 SHADOWWOOD DRIVE. THAT AREA IS A QUIET AREA. I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU SAYING WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOBODY COMES OUT THERE AND REDOES OF THE STREET. NOBODY COMES OUT THERE EVEN TO SWEEP THE STREETS. WE HAVE GOT STREETS THAT NEED RE-PAVEMENT.

-- MY WHOLE CAR SHAKES. YOU ARE ASKING THAT WE PUT SOMETHING NEW OUT THERE. SO YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BUT NOT WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. THAT IS UNFAIR TO US. WE BUILT THAT HOUSE IN 1959, MY MOTHER WAS A MAID. MY FATHER WAS A TRUCK DRIVER FOR WESTERN CHEVROLET. $11,000 THAT HOME COST. AND THEY PAY FOR THAT HOUSE. AS A MAID AND A RECORD DRIVER. THEY WORKED HARD FOR THAT. AND THEY MAINTAINED WHAT THEY COULD. NOW I AM MAINTAINING IT. IF YOU COME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE HAD A FEW HOMES BUILT. THAT EVEN WITH WHATEVER WE HAVE IMPROVED AND BUILT, YOU STILL DON'T COME OUT AND DO ANYTHING TO OUR STREETS. YOU DON'T DO NOTHING. WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE AND HALF THE MORE JUNK ON IT? I AM A VERY PROUD OWNER IN PASADENA HEIGHTS. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE AROUND HERE -- WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE VERY PROUD OWNERS. WE WORK REALLY HARD TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE. WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON, IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, WE ARE NEVER AGAINST THE POLICE COMING OUT. WE WANT THAT KIND OF ATTENTION.

WE APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF ATTENTION. WE HAVE ELDERLY PEOPLE OUT HERE. I AM ELDERLY, I MAY NOT LOOK IT. BUT I AM. I AM RETIRED AND 68 YEARS OLD. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT I AM NOT TRYING TO HEAR ABOUT. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF THIS. THINK OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOWN UP TO SUPPORT US. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THE CORNER APPEAR. WE WILL DO SOMETHING DOWN TO PASADENA AS WELL.

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>> CHAIRMAN . IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM NEXT WEEK FOR THE REPAVING OF PASADENA HEIGHTS. THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN

THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS CURTIS ROBINSON. I AM AN OLD COUNTRY BOY. I LIKE TO SEE -- SHAWNTE FLEMING, I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST YOU. I WISH YOU WOULD RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS PARTICULAR SETTING. BECAUSE OF THE CIRCLE THAT YOU TRAVEL IN. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO NOT SHOW YOUR BIAS. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD HAVE REFUSED YOURSELF FROM THIS

PARTICULAR SET. >> SIR, I DON'T THINK THAT'S

APPROPRIATE. >> IT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT I SAID IT. I'M AT 309 FAIR. I FIGHT CRIME DAY AND NIGHT THERE. CHECK WITH ABILENE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ROBIN CALLOWAY DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY. HE IS ONE OF THE OWNERS. --

>> LET'S ADDRESS -- >> I AM ADDRESSING IT.

INAUDIBLE ] >> I UNDERSTAND . THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, I OWN THE PROPERTY PLAN ON BUILDING ON. I AM A TAXPAYER OUT THERE. THIS IS A TAXPAYER SPEAKING TO YOU. YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORD, YOU WILL SEE. I HAD THREE DOGS. KILLED .

GUARD DOGS. VANDALIZING MY PROPERTY. POURING CEMENT INTO MY SEWER LINE. BREAKING MY WATER FAUCET OFF. KILLING MY PLANTS. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ZONING? NUMBER ONE, YOU WILL INCREASE THE POPULATION BACK THERE TO WHERE WE CANNOT CONTROL THE CRIME AND STUFF GOING ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT. I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT 100. THESE PEOPLE SITTING OUT HERE KNOW THE TRUE FACTS. YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. I AM TELLING YOU EXACTLY. CRIME, DRUGS, THE POPULATION COMING FROM THE CANTERBURY TRAIL OVER INTO PASADENA WITH THE DRUGS. BUT I CAN'T GET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PATROL THAT AREA ON A REGULAR BASIS. THAT IS A FACT. I AM OPPOSED TO YOU CROWDING PEOPLE BACK IN THAT SECTION. IT'S CALLED STACKING THEM DEEP AND RENTING THEM CHEAP. WE KNOW WHAT THAT BRINGS. IT BRINGS MORE CRIME WE CANNOT CONTROL. TRAFFIC. IT IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. THIS YOUNG LADY THAT GOT APPEAR TO SPEAK FOR ROBIN, SHE DID NOT SPEAK TO ME.

AND I AM NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY. I AM JUST LIKE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT SHE DID NOT SPEAK TO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF GAME IS GOING ON HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SWITCHEROO. BAIT AND SWITCH GAME TO ME. I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT REAL. I WANT ROBIN TO DEVELOP IT. HE HAS BEEN TRYING A LONG TIME. I WANT HIM TO HAVE SUCCESS. ROBIN, I WANT YOU TO HAVE SUCCESS. BUT IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW

IT AND I KNOW IT. >> WHAT WOULD THE RIGHT

ENVIRONMENT BE? >> -- IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. OFF OF MAPLE AND SWEETWATER. THAT HOUSE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE. I THINK THAT WOULD ENHANCE PASADENA HEIGHTS. I THINK THAT WOULD ENHANCE IT. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING END. YOU TRY TO ENHANCE THE PROPERTY. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOU, SHAWNTE FLEMING, TRUST ME. ASK YOUR MAMA .

>> LET'S ADDRESS THE CONDITION, PLEASE.

>> I AM TALKING TO YOU. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THAT COMMUNITY HAS HAD FEET PUT ON THEIR NECK. LET'S DON'T PUT OUR FOOT ON THEIR NECK ANYMORE WITH SOME PROJECT APARTMENTS . I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THAT. I WANT ROBIN TO DEVELOP IT. I WANT -- I DO NOT WANT Y'ALL TO CROWD US IN THERE. THEN, WHAT I BOILED DOWN TO IS THE POLICE CORRALLING THE OTHER ELEMENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT. YOU GET AN ANALYSIS SO NOW -- THEY WILL TELL YOU. I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT. THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT WE NEED CHANGED AND STACK OF DEEP

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR TIME IS UP.

>> I THANK YOU. >> I AM NOT HERE TO ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE. -- I AM A RESIDENT OF TAYLOR COUNTY, A CITIZEN OF ABILENE. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS SITTING OUT HERE. MAYBE I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. I REMEMBER PASADENA WHEN IT STARTED. IT MAY GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT ME. I REMEMBER WHEN MY UNCLE AND AUNT BOUGHT THE FIRST HOME AS THEY WERE BUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN I DRIVE OUT THERE TODAY, I DO NOT HAVE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR MY OWN. OUR CHURCH DOES. TO DRIVE OUT THERE TODAY, I STILL SEE THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1950 AND EARLY 1960S. I THINK, SISTER SABRINA, PART OF THE REASON WHY SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT DONE IS BECAUSE NORTHEAST CENTRAL ABILENE IS NOT DEVELOPING. AND THAT INCLUDES -- WHEN I TALKED WITH DAVE THE -- WITH THE DEVELOPER, HE IS INTERESTED IN OWNERS, NOT NECESSARILY RENTERS. THAT WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AT SOME POINT IN TIME , AND KEEP SEGREGATING HERSELF, IT WILL ALWAYS BE THAT. WHEN YOUR TAX -- GET LOW AND YOU DON'T HAVE SUPPORT, YOU WON'T GET THE CITY MONEY. WHAT I HAVE SEEN, PASADENA IS SIMILAR TO LAZARD AND -- WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AGREED TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD CANTERBURY TRAIL, THEY PUT JUDGE ELY ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND THEN YOU BEGAN TO SEE DEVELOPMENT. YES, THERE ARE DRUGS. THERE ARE DRUGS THROUGHOUT ALL OF ABILENE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY LOCK ITSELF DOWN AND SAY, THIS IS US. WE WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THERE IS ROOM FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. I THINK YOU CAN HAVE HOME OWNERS, NOT NECESSARILY RENTERS , WHO WILL BUY HOMES. WILL DEVELOP THE AREA . WE WILL SEE MORE BUSINESS GO TO NORTHEAST CENTRAL ABILENE AND SEE MORE THINGS DONE. WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE? IN THE EARLY 1980S, IN THE LATE 1970S, WHEN THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND WANTED TO BUILD MODULAR HOMES, BUILDING HOUSES BY PIECES, SETTING THEM DOWN AND PUTTING BRICKS AROUND THEM, THE COMMUNITY VEHEMENTLY SAID, NO. WHEN THEY REFUSED IT, ABILENE SAID, ALL RIGHT. NO DEAL, NO DEAL. WHAT WE SAW WAS THE VALUE OF VACANT PROPERTY GO DOWN. AND IT REMAINED DOWN. I CALLED THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT OFFICE THIS MORNING. WANTING TO GO BACK TO 83 TO GET INFORMATION ON THE VALUE OF LAND. THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT FOR ME. IF YOU PULL UP YOUR RECORDS, ECHOES AS FAR BACK AS 2010. WHEN I LOOKED AT A PROPERTY THAT ARE CHURCH OWNED OUT THERE, IT REMAINED THE SAME. FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. IT DID NOT INCREASE IN VALUE. IT WENT DOWN PRIOR TO THAT WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT IT. IT WAS AT A HIGHER RATE . AND THEN IT BEGAN TO DECREASE. I DO NOT KNOW WHO WERE THE FATHERS OF ABILENE AT THAT TIME. BUT IF THERE IS A WAY OF GETTING THINGS DONE -- IF YOU DO NOT, WE DO NOT. I REALIZE MY TIME IS UP. IF WE DON'T AT SOME POINT DECIDE -- WHAT I SEE IS THREE GENERATIONS LIVING IN HOMES SOME HAVE DEVELOPED. HAVE BEEN FIVE NEW HOMES ALDOMET AREA SINCE THE COMMUNITY WAS ESTABLISHED. WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THE MIND-SET. IT'S NOT GOING TO -- BRING IN ALL THE DRUGS. I LIVE IN CANTERBURY TRAIL, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE. I'M SURE IT'S PROBABLY THERE, BUT WE HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. LET'S NOT BE CLOSED MINDED AND CLOSE OURSELVES OFF -- BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THE CITY, NOR THE COUNTY WILL. LET'S OPEN UP AND ALLOW THIS DEVELOPER WHO IS A PRODUCT OF -- AIR FORCE BASE IN ABILENE, TEXAS. COME IN AND BUILD SOME HOMES THAT HOMEOWNERS CAN AFFORD. THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES, NOT MODULAR HOMES. I UNDERSTAND BEING FRUSTRATED AND NOT WANTING THEM TO PUT SOME BRICKS AROUND THE. WHEN A PERSON WANTS TO COME IN AND DEVELOP LAND THAT HAS BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR WELL OVER 60 YEARS, IT'S ABOUT TIME WE HAVE A CHANGE IN MIND-SET AND ALLOW SOME THINGS O HAPPEN. DO NOT JUST SAY IT'S GOING TO BRING DRUGS. IT IS ALREADY THERE. LET'S PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BRING FAMILIES AND HOMES AND DEVELOP THAT AREA OF TOWN SO WE

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I'VE GOT TO SAY. >> MY NAME IS DARRELL KELLEY. I LIVE AT 360 SHADOWWOOD DRIVE . MY GRANDPARENTS ON MY MOTHER'S SIDE BUILT THE FIRST HOUSE THERE. ON SHADOWWOOD. MY GRANDPARENTS ON MY DAD'S SIDE WILL THE SECOND ONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM FIXING TO B-52. I LIVE THERE PRETTY MUCH MY ENTIRE LIFE -- THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUIET. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. WE ARE NOT AGAINST PROGRESS. BY NO MEANS. BUT AS MR. CURTIS SAID, STACKING THEM DEEP AND RENTING THEM CHEAP IS WHAT WE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT AS HOMEOWNERS.

LIKE ANOTHER PERSON STATED, YOU CAN SEE WHO OWNS AND WHO RENTS.

WE ARE FIXING OF BUILDING AREA -- WE DON'T MIND IF IT WOULD BE HOMES, EVEN THOUGH THE THERE HAS BEEN A HOME BUILT ON THIS BLOCK RECENTLY. IT HAS BEEN DISASTROUS -- EXPERIENCING PEOPLE HAVING TO LIVE IN THIS AREA IS WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. AND YOU ARE FIXING TO JUST THROW A TON OF THEM IN THERE AND ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AND NOT BE PRODUCTIVE HOMEOWNERS. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT. WE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD SOME NICE HOUSES THAT SOMEBODY WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO PURCHASE. NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH TO RENT. I AM NOT GOING TO -- WE HAVE A HOUSE DOWN THE STREET, THEY PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO A. SOMEONE BOUGHT IT. THERE ARE FOUR MILITARY GUYS LIVING THERE. THE GRASS IS AS TALL AS THIS TABLE HERE. IT STAYS THAT WAY . YOU THINK FOUR MEN IN THE HOUSE, SOMEONE COULD GET SOMETHING DONE IN THE FRONT YARD. IT IS NOT THAT BIG. I AM MAKING ALL OF THOSE POINTS TO SAY, YOU ARE FIXING TO THROW UP LUNCH OF WRENCHES IN THERE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE. IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE THROWING HOMEOWNERS IN THERE.

THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS CONNIE PEACOCK. I WILL BRING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS A TRANSPLANT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I MARRIED MY HUSBAND WHO HAD BOUGHT HIS HOUSE THERE AT 1873 PASADENA. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HOTHOUSE THAT BACKS UP TO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE TALK ABOUT. I WISH YOU COULD SEE THAT HOUSE. I HAVE PICTURES ON MY PHONE I WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE. I AM NOW A WIDOW. I HAVE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 47 YEARS. I FEEL COMFORTABLE LEAVING MY HOUSE WHEN I NEED TO GO VISIT CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS. IF YOU BRING IN RENTAL PROPERTY OR MULTI-HOUSING PROPERTY, I NO LONGER WILL FILL SAFE LEAVING MY HOUSE. LIKE DARRELL AND SOME OTHERS SAID, WE HAVE A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALSO HAVE ELDERLY NEIGHBORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE A LITTLE LADY THAT LIVES DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU, 93 YEARS OLD. AT 10:00 AT NIGHT, SHE IS STANDING ON HER FRONT PORCH. MY RING PICKS HER UP. BECAUSE EITHER HER HEAT DOES NOT WORK OR AIR-CONDITIONING. SHE IS WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. THE LAST THING WE WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STREET ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT , WHICH WE KNOW YOUNG PEOPLE DO, SOME OLDER PEOPLE DO TOO THE DON'T HAVE A LIFE OR SOMETHING TO DO. THAT IS ALL WE NEED IS FOR SOMEONE AND EXTRA TRAFFIC TO COME IN AND RUN OVER HER. SHE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. I AM 76 AND I AM ALL. I INTEND TO BE THERE UNTIL I AM 90 OR 100. I HAVE WORKED TOO HARD TO BRING -- TO KEEP MY PROPERTY UP TO STANDARDS. AND THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES AROUND ME THAT HAVE WORKED JUST AS HARD. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SINGLE HOUSING. PROVIDED THEY ARE OWNED AND THEY KEEP THEIR YARDS AND JUNK OUT OF THE FRONT YARD. AND KEEP IT IN THE BACKYARD. HIGHCHAIRS ON THE FRONT PORCH, ACROSS THE STREET

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DEVELOPMENT SO IT BRINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP MORE. AND DOES NOT TAKE IT DOWN. NO, WE DON'T WANT MULTI-HOUSING IN THERE BECAUSE THEN WE WILL HAVE ALL THE COME FROM CANTERBURY TRAIL, UNLIKE HAS BEEN SAID, THE DRUG TRAFFIC IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KNOW WHO IT IS. AND WE KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL. BUT A LOT OF IT IS COMING FROM CANTERBURY. I AM NOT AGAINST PROGRESS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> I AM ALL FOR IT. IT IS BETTER THAN HAVING SNAKES. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU PUT THERE.

>> THANK YOU .

LIVE IN PASADENA. AND I'M ALWAYS OVER THERE. I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND I WISH YOU THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF MY QUESTION IS OUT OF ORDER. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING AND THE DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE SUCH AS SOME CENTERS FOR YOUTH OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE? OR IS IT ONLY

THEREFORE A HOUSE? >> THERE IS A ZONING CASE BEFORE US TODAY TO REZONE THE CURRENT PROPERTY FROM AN RS-6, A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO A MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING. THAT IS ALL THAT IS BEFORE US.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AM BILLY MACQUARIE. 376 PENROSE. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT 47 YEARS. THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- CHANGING THE ZONING ON. I OWN SOME OF THAT. A SMALL PORTION OF IT. I HAVE TALKED WITH ROBIN. I SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. NOT ALL, BUT SOME. AND I TRIED TO TAKE THE QUADRO PLEX -- OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND GO WITH THE DUPLEXES AND THAT'S JUST WHAT IS IT? SINGLE-FAMILY.

>> THAT IS WHAT WE NEEDED THERE. I HAVE OWNED THAT PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME 20 YEARS. YES, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO -- I DID NOT BUY IT JUST TO OWN IT. I WANTED TO ONE DAY DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO CROWD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE AND CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH MOSTLY EVERYBODY THAT WANTS WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, WE TRY TO GET IT DONE. WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE. I SEE SOME, WE HAVE SOME OPPOSITION TO IT. BUT I THINK WE COULD COME TO

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>> SIR, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULD BE AGAINST THE QUAD?

>> NO QUAD. >> YOU WOULD PREFER

SINGLE-FAMILY OR DUPLEX? >> EXACTLY. AND THOSE DUPLEXES DASHED OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE SEEN DUPLEXES, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME HERE AND THEN A DUPLEX NEXT TO IT.

YOU HAVE A ROW OF DUPLEXES AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR

SINGLE-FAMILY . >> SOMETIMES. WE HAD A HOUSE ON MOCKINGBIRD. A NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD BE A DUPLEX

>> SET IN BETWEEN HOMES? >> SET IN BETWEEN. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS BEING CONSIDERED? THE OTHER OWNERS DISAGREE WITH YOU AND SOME WOULD LIKE TO DO QUADS?

>> NO. THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN THE WORD HIDE COMING IN. MOST EVERYBODY HAS SAID WHEN YOU BRING HIDE IN, YOU BRING LOW INCOME AND. THEY WERE AGHAST THAT THAT IS AGAINST THAT. THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED THROUGH THE DEVELOPER THAT YOU HAVE AVERAGE COST HOME AND NOT TRY TO BRING IN A BUNCH OF TRASH. WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS.

>> THANK YOU. >> HOWEVER YOU WOULD SET IT UP, DUPLEXES NEED TO BE IN ONE SPOT AND THEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES NEED TO BE IN ANOTHER. YOU DON'T NEED THOSE CO-MINGLED TOGETHER. DO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> YES, SIR. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

ANYBODY OUT HERE ? >> THANK YOU.

>> ARE YOUR OTHER OWNERSHIP OWNERS YEAR?

>> NO, I HAVE NO PARTNER. >> OKAY.

>> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ACRES UP THERE THAT I DO OWN. AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE OWNED IT -- 21 YEARS.

>> TODAY, WE ARE CONSIDERING MEDIUM DENSITY WITH A MAXIMUM

QUAD . >> MAXIMUM OF LIKE FOUR HOUSES

A LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> FOUR HOUSES PER LOT?

>> FOUR MEDIUM DENSITY DWELLING UNITS. INSTEAD OF A DUPLEX, IT WOULD BE A FOURPLEX. I UNDERSTAND. IF THIS WAS TABLE AND BROUGHT BACK AS SINGLE-FAMILY OR DUPLEX, TO ME, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING FOR US TO CONSIDER. IT MIGHT EVEN BE A DIFFERENT THING FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONSIDER. I AM JUST SAYING, WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BASICALLY DECIDE ON THE THING BEFORE US. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS IN ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE

ZONING REQUEST, -- >> THAT IS WHERE CODE COMES IN.

ON MAINTENANCE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. I AM NOT AT LIBERTY TO TABLE ANYTHING. MR. WALT BROUGHT IT UP. AND HE KNEW I WAS AN INVESTOR. THAT IS HOW I GOT INVOLVED.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU. >> LIKE I TOLD HIM, I THINK WOULD BE A LOT BETTER ADDRESSED HAD WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE NEIGHBORS TOGETHER AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF PLAN BEFORE COMING BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING. ONE OTHER THING. THESE HOMES THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. IF THEY ARE MULTILEVEL, YOU CANNOT HAVE A BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND NO WINDOWS. I REALIZE WHO WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT HERE. BUT WE ARE CITIZENS. IF WE PAY TAXES -- IP A LOT OF THEM. JUST LIKE ACU. I WILL CALL THE NAMES. I KNOW WHO THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. THAT TYPE OF -- THAT IS VERY DISCRIMINATORY.

WE DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT. I WOULD HOPE YOU ALL WOULD GO WITH ME ON THAT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM ROBERT CALLOWAY WALLS. I OWN LAND OUT THERE. I AM FOR IF THE HOMES WOULD BE FOR -- AND NOT RENT. THE REASON I SAY HUD, HUD DOES A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN SECTION 8 CERTIFICATES OR WHATEVER. HUD WOULD DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ME. WE TALK ABOUT MONEY. THE CITY HAS NOT DONE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY

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THE CITY SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THEY SAY THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO ON AN EMPTY LOT IS HAVE A HOME. SO FOR ME TO HAVE A HOME, I HAVE TO PUT THE STREETS OUT THERE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE STREETS, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 70 SOMETHING YEARS IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT. THE HOMES I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE ROUGHLY $250,000. IN THE SENIOR LIVING . I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING DRUGS. OR WHATEVER. IT IS A STUDENT LIVING. THESE ARCADE. THE PARENTS ARE PAYING $12-$1500 A MONTH ON CAMPUS. IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT, -- MAKE IT A LITTLE CHEAPER, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST MOVING OUT THERE, THERE WILL BE RESTRICTIONS. ALL OF THE PARK CARS, ALL THE CARS ON FLAT, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN OUT THERE.

I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE A MESS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE, I HAVE BEEN KNOWING THEM FOR YEARS. NO HARD FEELINGS. YOU OPINION. WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. I AM NOT GOING TO BE MAD WITH YOU. PERIOD. I AM HERE TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. $250,000 HOMES OUT THERE. WE HAVE ACU. NORTH OF ME, I HAVE ACU. WHEN THEY GET READY , AND IT IS NOT DEVELOPED, PASADENA HEIGHTS IS GOING TO CATCH YOU. THEY WILL CATCH IT. THE RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT ME TO DO. BLOCKING THE ROAD RIGHT THERE. NO. IT IS JUST NOT THE PEOPLE IN PASADENA HEIGHTS. IT'S THE PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE AND NORTH SIDE OF IT. THOSE ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM. BUT AS FAR AS THE DUPLEXES, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. AS FAR AS THE HOMES FOR SALE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. THANK YOU.

>> MICHAEL T ROYALS. BEFORE I CAME HERE, I TALKED TO A 90-YEAR-OLD WOMAN. THAT LIVES OUT IN PASADENA. WE TALKED. IF YOU COULD SEE HER EYES, SHE SAID WHEN THE HOUSES WERE BUILT OUT OF PASADENA, IT WAS MEANT TO BE A SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS HOW WE GREW UP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND -- WE WERE POOR BUT WE WERE RICH. WITH THE HOUSING, IF IT'S GOING TO BE HOUSES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF , THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOUSING AND HOMES. SO ALL WE WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE YOU ARE NOT JUST COMING TO AN ORDINARY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF LOVE . YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. EVERYBODY GETS ALONG. WE DO SOME DATA SEE SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING WRONG, WE TRY TO HELP HIM STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING. THEY RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALIZED THAT THEY ARE NOT COMING TO AN ORDINARY NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.

>> I AM JERRY TAYLOR JESUS SAID, WHEN I WAS HUNGRY, DID YOU FEED ME? WHEN I WAS NAKED , DID YOU QUOTE ME? WHEN I WAS HOMELESS , DID YOU PROIDE HOUSING FOR ME? THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE TO TALK ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS , WE MUST BE VERY

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BECAUSE THEY DISCOVERED A HUMANE COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS. I DON'T LINE UP ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE. BUT I STAND HERE TO REMIND US AS A RELIGIOUS CITY , WITH THREE MAJOR CHRISTIAN COLLEGES AND SO MANY CHURCHES ON EVERY CORNER , THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, LET'S BE VERY MINDFUL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS. PEOPLE THAT GOD CARES ABOUT. SO IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD MORE THAN HOUSES , THAT WE SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD LITTLE CHILDREN INTO HEALTHY HUMAN BEINGS, WELL, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT . BECAUSE WE WANT HEALTHY ADULTS. YOU WANT TO START REACHING THEM AT THE AGE OF THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX YEARS OLD TO PUT THEM ON A PATH THAT WILL NOT LEAD INTO DEALING DRUGS OR GANG ACTIVITY. WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT IF WE WANT TO BECOME A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SPACE TO BRING EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THE HOUSE OF OUR MIND . THAT WE CANNOT MAKE THEM FEEL AT HOME FIRST-PERIOD SO OUR DECISION AS A COMMUNITY WILL BE HUMANE TOWARD THEM . MAY GOD HELP US IN MAKING THIS DECISION. AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE WISDOM AS A COMMUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY HUMAN BEINGS , AND ESPECIALLY DO THE RIGHT SAYING BY THE LITTLE CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN BORN INTO SITUATIONS THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A DECISION IN MAKING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE READ YOUR ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD? >> 310 WASHINGTON BOULEVARD .

ABILENE, TEXAS. 79601 . >> THANK YOU.

>> I CERTAINLY HAD NO INTENTION OF GETTING A PEER. MY NAME IS BARBARA SMITH. I AM THE ASSISTANT PASTOR OF THE -- EMMANUEL CHURCH. THE CHURCH USED TO BE CALLED ST. PAUL, I WAS ASSISTANT PASTOR FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS. WE DO OWN A PROPERTY IN PASADENA HEIGHTS. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LOT OF MEANING TO ME. WHEN I WAS ASSISTANT PASS -- PASTOR , ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, PASADENA HEIGHTS WAS ONE OF THE LOWEST CRIME AREAS IN ABILENE. BECAUSE MY SENIOR PASTOR, MY MOM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT THERE ABOUT FOUR TIMES A YEAR, EVERY QUARTER. THEY WOULD MEET WITH US. THEY WOULD DISCUSS THINGS ABOUT KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE. AT THE TIME, IT WAS A LITTLE CRIME AREA. I HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THAT AS FAR AS STATISTIC WIFE. I DO KNOW WHERE WE OWN THE LITTLE HOME, IT'S A VERY PLEASANT AREA. AND WE HAVE TRIED WELL WITH OUR PROPERTY. AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD.

IT'S BEEN A HOME THAT HAS HOUSED FAMILY FOR US. I HAD A BROTHER-IN-LAW THAT LIVED THERE A SHORT TIME. WE MOVED MY MOTHER-IN-LAW INTO THAT HOME WHICH YOU NEED HELP. ONE OF MY CHILDREN LIVED IN THE HOME FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS UNTIL SHE BOUGHT A HOME. I WISHED I WOULD HAVE KNOWN MORE ABOUT THE ZONING AND HOW IT AFFECTS -- BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET ANY NOTIFICATION THAT I KNOW OF. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT ZONING AFFECTS THE PEOPLE WILL THAT LIVE THERE. BUT JUST SPEAKING , THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THERE ARE PROBABLY LOW INCOME. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF PRIDE PEOPLE CAN HAVE -- JUST BECAUSE YOUR LOW INCOME DOES NOT MEAN YOU DO NOT CARE. OR THERE IS NOT PRIDE IN WHAT PEOPLE HAVE HER OWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING THING

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THAT IS -- >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS KENNETH ALLEN. I LOOK AT -- LIVE AT 47 OR SEVEN -- THIS AREA THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING ON IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. ME, THE YOUNG LADY HERE. WE ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED. I BUILT MY HOME FROM GROUND UP.

IT WAS JUST LIKE THE LOTS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING NOW. IT IS NOT THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD, BUT IT IS NOT THE WORST. I DO LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT QUIET. CLEAN. IF YOU ALL COULD DO SOMETHING TO HELP DEVELOP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE NEWEST HOUSE ON MY BLOCK -- A YOUNG MAN MENTIONED IT A WHILE AGO, THE GRASS IS THIS TALL. AND THEY RENTED THE HOUSE OUT. AND THEY ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT. I DO BELIEVE IF YOU WOULD GET SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO OWN A HOME. AND IF THEY BUILT A HOME, PEOPLE WOULD TAKE BETTER CARE OF IT THEN THE RENTER WOULD. I LOOKED A LOT -- LONG TIME AGO AT THE TAX OFFICE. WHEN I BUILT THE HOUSE, I WANT TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY'VE GOT ROADS ALL THE WAY FROM MY HOME, ALL THE WAY BACK TO INTERSTATE 20. THEY DON'T HAVE THEM THERE, IT IS JUST A FEEL. BUT IT IS DEVELOPED FOR HOUSING. IF YOU ALL WOULD KEEP ON THAT PATH AND KEEP THEM AS HOUSING, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. NOT APARTMENT COMPLEXES, NOT

DUPLEXES, HOMES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE ALIKE THAT JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ZONING CASE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ADAM? I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THIS. WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY? WHAT IS THE DEFINITION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ?

>> MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS A MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. HOWEVER, IT IS LIMITED TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND A MAXIMUM OF FOUR UNITS PER LOT. THAT IS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF A MEDIUM DENSITY.

>> DOESN'T SPECIFY THE SIZE OF THE LOT?

>> YES, THE MINIMUM SIZE OF A MEDIUM DENSITY LOT IS A 60 BY 100 -- OR 70 BY 100 SQUARE-FOOT LOT. BUT IN ORDER TO PLACE MORE THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THE LOT IT STILL HAS THE MEAT THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR 12 -- PER ACRE. IF YOU DIVIDE THAT -- OUT. IT NEEDS TO HAVE ONE 12TH OF AN ACRE PER UNIT.

ESSENTIALLY. >> I AM SORRY, I'M TRYING TO

DO THE MATH IN MY HEAD TOO. >> ESSENTIALLY, IF YOUR FOUR UNITS PER LOT, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE TO 7000 FOOT SQUARE UNIT LOTS. ESSENTIALLY.

>> IF WE LOOK AT IT FROM A TYPICAL ZONING PERSPECTIVE.

THIS APPEARS TO BE A GOOD SPOT FOR MEDIUM DENSITY. WHY DIDN'T

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>> BECAUSE OF MORE THAN FOUR UNITS PER LOT, INITIALLY. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS THEIR NEW REQUEST AS WELL TO ALLOW THE USE OF A PATIO HOME AND A TOWN HOME.

>> THE FOUR UNITS PER LOT IS CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE OF THE

MATH WE WENT THROUGH. >> THE REQUIREMENTS OF FOUR UNITS PER LOT IS THAT THEY CANNOT BUILD FIVE DWELLING UNITS ON A LOT, THEY ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF A QUADRUPLEX IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING. IF THE LOT ITSELF COULD HOUSE FIVE UNITS, THEY WOULD STILL BE LIMITED TO

FOUR UNITS ON THAT LOT . >> NOW YOU HAVE CLEARED IT UP FOR ME. I GET IT NOW. THE REASON FOR THE PD INITIALLY WAS THEY WANTED TO LIMIT IT TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT WAS REALLY ALL THEY WANTED . THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PUT FIVE UNITS TOGETHER?

>> YES. OR IF THE LOT WAS BIG ENOUGH, UP TO 12 UNITS PER

ACRE. >> OKAY. I NEED SOME HELP GUYS.

I AM GETTING LOST. >> I AM CURIOUS WHAT THE REASON

FOR THE REQUIREMENT -- >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER.

>> THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST -- THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN -- NUMBER THREE. ACU IS THE OWNER. AS WAS MENTIONED. THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS CHAMPIONED. WHILE THE COMP PLAN RECOGNIZES CORRECTLY THIS PROPERTY IS IDEALLY SUITED FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE INTENT OF THE REGULATION WAS TO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE -- FOR FULLY DEVELOPING. OUR PROPERTY -- THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AO, DESPITE WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE COMMENTS, AO IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE COWS, AO IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. IT SAYS IT EXPLICITLY IN THE LDC. WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT BORDERLINE SO WHAT HAPPENED THIS PROPERTY WOULD

NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT -- >> IF -- WANTED TO PUT MEDIUM DENSITY, WOULD YOU PUT THE SAME --

>> THAT DID NOT GO IN MY MIND, RANDY. WE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS WERE MULTI FAMILY OF ANY KIND WENT NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON BUFFER YARDS.

>> I DON'T SEE -- AS MULTI FAMILY. WHEN YOU SAY MULTI FAMILY, I THINK APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

MULTI FAMILY TERM WITH ME DOES NOT GO WITH THIS.

>> I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR THE CONDITION. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPED. THE CITY HAS BEEN WANTING TO SEE IT DEVELOPED FOREVER. WE ARE NOT AGAINST IT BEING DEVELOPED.

JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE WEST AND SOUTH. WE COULD QUIBBLE OVER TYPE A OR TYPE B. THAT WAS THE BASIS .

>> IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND DO AN MD ACROSS THE WHOLE PROPERTY? THAT WITH OUR PREFERENCE.

>> THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY

BUFFERS. >> IF THEY CAME UP WITH THE ZONING FOR MD WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY DISCUSBE CONCERNED. BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS PUT ON THERE. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO FIND MIDDLE GROUND THAT IS AGREEABLE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. AND IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED, NOT BE A HINDRANCE TO THE HAPPENING. WE ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION AND GET TO THE RIGHT

THING. >> SO IT EVERYONE IS SATISFIED

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AT LEAST SOMEWHAT. >> NOW, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD -- AS FAR AS 12 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT -- WAS SAYING. IS THAT CORRECT? DID ANYONE PICK UP ON THAT? THEY ARE SAYING STREET MD. AND WITH TOWNHOME AND PATIO HOME IN IT. THAT IS WHAT THE PROPONENT SAID. THAT TAKES US BACK TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. IF THEY COULD HAVE A FIVE PLEX OR WHATEVER .

AS LONG AS IT WAS NOT MORE THAN 12. RIGHT?

>> IS THE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE LIMIT IS REMOVED, YES. FOUR UNITS PER LOT IS REMOVED . THEN, YES, THEY WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE REQUIREMENT.

>> IF IT WAS MD IT WOULD BE 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND FOUR UNITS

PER MILE? >> THAT IS CORRECT. WITH STANDARD MD ZONING. THAT IS THE STANDARD REQUIRED.

>> STANDARD MD IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND NO MORE THAN FOUR

UNITS PER LIGHT. >> I THINK THAT IS THE REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT.

USES OF PATIO HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. THAT IS THE REQUEST

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED. >> LET'S KEEP IN MIND -- BEFORE THE CHANGE. THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. THAT COVERS MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN I WAS READING. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME WHEN YOU DO THAT. WE COULD APPROVE IT WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS WHATSOEVER. EXCEPT LIMITATIONS OF THE -- IT IS SIMPLE.

>> YOU GUYS TELL ME IF I HAVE GOT THIS RIGHT. IF WE WANT PD 187 TWO HAVE A BASE ZONING OF MD TO ALLOW PATIO HOMES AND TOWNHOMES IN IT, THAT WOULD KIND OF MAKE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS GO AWAY TO SQUARE UP WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

>> YES. ALL RIGHT, ADAM. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DID

YOU FOLLOW OUR CONVERSATION? >> I DID. CHERYL SAWYERS AGAIN.

I DID FOLLOW YOUR CONVERSATION. WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PER OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH AC, AND SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE QUADRUPLEX OUT OF IT AS WELL. SO THE MAXIMUM IS A TRIPLEX IF IT COULD FIT ON THOSE LOTS THAT THEY COULD BASICALLY REPLANT TO FIT THOSE

THINGS. >> WITH THAT, WE WOULD BE SAYING NO MORE THAN THREE UNITS .

>> OKAY, MD, THREE UNITS PER LOT.

>> YES. THE ONLY REASON FOR THE FLEXIBILITY ON THE PATIO HOME AND TOWNHOMES, WE TOOK STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. IT BECAUSE OF THE TYPOGRAPHY. IF YOU CANNOT FIT SOMETHING. MAY BE SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT SMALLER -- WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE HE FINALLY DOES GET BUILT OUT, SOME OF THOSE LOTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE USABLE.

>> WE HAVE THAT WITH THE LEGACY DISTRICT OF -- THERE LIKE, MY

HOUSE IS NOT A PATIO HOME. >> BE ZONING . IT IS THE SETBACKS THAT GOVERN THE. AFTER TALKING WITH ACU YESTERDAY.

TALKING WITH A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS YESTERDAY AND ADDRESSING SOME CONCERNS OF THIS MORNING, BOTH OF THE APPLICANT'S -- APPLICANT S WHAT WHAT YOU SAID. MEDIUM DENSITY AT MAXIMUM THREE UNITS PER LOT.

>> BEFORE YOU MOVE ON FROM THAT POINT. -- HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TOWN HALL. LET HIM ASK YOU AND YOU CAN BOTH ADDRESS IT .

>> THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR A TOWNHOME LOT IS 25 BY 100 . I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN BEFORE THE ISSUE AROSE.

SHOULD THAT MINIMUM STAY OR SHOULD THERE BE A DIFFERENT

REQUIREMENT ON SIZE -- >> YOU ARE GETTING INTO THE

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>> I AM CONCERNED IF WE ALLOW THE TOWNHOME --

>> WHAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE? >> IF THAT SIZE LOT WOULD BE FINE, THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. I JUST WANTED TO

HAVE IT ADDRESS. >> THE PATIO HOME IS 45 BY 100

. >> ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CONDITION THAT SAYS IF IN THE EVENT THE TOWNHOMES WERE TO BE -- THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH -- STANDARDS.

>> I LIKE THAT IS IMPLIED IN THE PD. IF YOU WILL SAY BASE ZONING OF THE THREE THINGS, IF THEY ACTUALLY DEVELOP A LOT FOR THE SIZE OF A PATIO HOME, THEY ARE PATIO HOME. THEY MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PATIO HOME. I DON'T SEE A NEED TO ADD A BUNCH OF LANGUAGE THAT WOULD CONVOLUTE THIS LEADER THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR PLANNING AND STAFF WHEN THEY PULL THIS UP 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO REBUILD

SOMETHING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> SINCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME BACK UP? YOU KIND OF

HEARD OUR CONVERSATION. >> I AM KIRK ROBINSON. IF YOU COULD POLL BOOK -- PICTURES UP FOR US. THAT IS MY HOME -- YOU KNOW WHERE MY FATHER IS FROM. THE REASON YOU ARE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE FIGURING THIS OUT. IT DID NOT COME IN CLEAR. FROM THE START. THERE WAS CONFUSION ALL OVER.

>> HOPEFULLY WE CLEARED IT UP.

>> THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING. AND THEN WE COME BACK AN HOUR LATER. WE HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION. FOR ME, THAT IS TWO PLANS IN PLACE. WE KNEW WHAT EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO SAY. THE CLARITY. I THINK WE STILL NEED TO CLARIFY EXACTLY WHO, WHAT, WHEN ARE TRYING TO PUT UP. I KNOW WE UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL OG'S HERE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO AND BE TRANSPARENT. IN THE VERBIAGE PUT IN THERE. MAKE IT PLAIN AND CLEAR LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO DO NOW. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO

SAY. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS DORIS BROWN, 1881 PASADENA. TO ME, THIS HAS BEEN SO CONFUSING. THE FIRST I KNEW OF ANY OF THIS WAS WHEN THEY CAME IN AND PUT SIGNS UP THAT SAID THIS IS PERSPECTIVE REZONING. THAT TO ME IS IF WE DO NOT REALLY MATTER. IT IS NOT THAT WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO NEED HOUSING TO HAVE A HOME. BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO DISCUSSION THAT ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENTS, THE MONEY THAT IS COMING IN TO FIX THE ROADS, THE SEWAGE, ALL OF THAT. THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THOSE HOMES WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM. WE HAVE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED THAT. SOMEONE IS CAPITALIZING ON THIS. BUT IT WILL NOT BE THE ONES THAT NEEDED. IF WE HAD BEEN FORGOTTEN AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHO IS GOING TO EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE BROUGHT INTO THAT AREA. WE HAVE NEEDS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. WE MAKE CALLED ABOUT PROPERTY THAT IS GOING DOWN AND OVER GROWING OF THE GRASS AND WEEDS. NO ONE ADDRESSES THAT. WE HAVE WATER RUNNING DOWN NORTHWAY. FLOODING THE STREETS STILL AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS. NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED THAT. HOW CAN WE BE ASSURED THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLACED IN ANOTHER AREA HOPING THEY WILL HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD EVEN BE POLICED ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT IN DANGER. WE JUST WANT SOMETHING TO BE DONE THAT UPLIFTS OUR AREA THAT WE ARE ALREADY IN. AND ANY AREA THAT IS COMING. OUR PROPERTIES ARE NOT BASED ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT IS BASED ON THE RESPECT THAT IS GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALREADY THERE. THAT IS

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ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THE WHOLE UPROAR TODAY WAS FROM LACK OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT IT ACTUALLY INVOLVES. I THINK MOST OF US ARE UP FOR DEVELOPMENT SO THE PROPERTY LOOKS NICE. BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN A STRAIGHTFORWARD. ALL I GOT WAS A LETTER IN THE MAIL. I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONE THAT GOT MINE. THREE OR SIX DAYS LATER AFTER I HAVE POLLED DIFFERENT ONES, THERE'S STARTED COMING IN. THAT IS ALL WE HAVE HAD. NO ONE HAS EXPLAINED WHAT YOUR CODES ARE AND WHAT YOUR NUMBERS AND ALL MEANS. BUT WE ARE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO MULTI FAMILY COMPLEXES. IT IS A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD , AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. I THINK WE DESERVE THAT. WE HAVE MADE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ASKED FOR HELP WHEN WE NEEDED IT. MOST OF THE TIME, WE HAVE GOTTEN IT.

SOMETIMES NOT. BUT I THINK LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND COMING STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. AND YOU NEED TO FIX IT.

>> MA'AM, I WILL SAY ON THE LETTERS -- LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RECEIVES A NOTIFICATION BUFFER OF 200 FEET. THE SIGNAGE THAT AVELINO PUTS OUT, WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY ONE OF TWO OR THREE TOWNS IN THE STATE THAT DOES THAT. WE WANT NEIGHBORS MAY BE THAT ARE NOT IN THE 200 FEET TO SEE, THAT IS THE ENTRYWAY INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR HEAR WHAT THAT IS. I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART, THE CITY OF ABILENE AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT TRIES TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THE AREAS WITHIN THE REGION.

DOES THAT MEAN YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE COMING INTO HERE TODAY? AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT WITHIN THE 200 FOOT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. I WOULD THINK FOR THE BEST -- TO MAKE SURE NEIGHBORHOODS -- I THINK THAT IS WHY THE SIGNS DARTED MAYBE

20 YEARS AGO. >> ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND VISIT WITH US? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

KELLEY, I GUESS WE COULD AMEND WHATEVER IS THERE AND DO WHAT

WAS DISCUSSED. >> AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MORE INTENSIVE THAN WHAT IS REQUESTED.

>> JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S -- SO YOU ARE INFORMED, LIKE I READ FIRST EARLY ON, WE ONLY RECOMMEND ZONING. WE ARE ONLY GOING TO RECOMMEND AT CITY COUNCIL WE ARE FIXING TO DISCUSS AND MOTION AND MOVE FORWARD. THERE WILL BE TWO -- THERE WILL BE A FIRST READING. YOU CAN HAVE A PUBLIC INPUT THERE. AND THEN THE SECOND READING IS WHERE YOU HAVE MORE OF A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS WITH THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCILMAN WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD FINALLY MAKE THE FILE. WE ARE JUST RECOMMENDING BORED. WE FELT THAT AS WE HAVE HEARD -- THEY WILL WATCH THE DISCUSSION TODAY SO THEY ARE INFORMED AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. AND YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM AND THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT THE ZONING WILL BE. I WANTED TO TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATES ARE -- PROBABLY JULY IS WHEN IT GOES TO COUNSEL. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY JUNE 27TH AND JULY

11TH. >> THE FIRST READING WOULD BE ON THE 27TH OF JUNE AND THE SECOND WOULD BE IN JULY.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT WE ARE ONLY HERE FOR THE REZONING.

WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT . ABOUT WHAT IS GOING -- THE PLANS. WE ARE ONLY HERE TO REZONE . SO AS FAR AS TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEXES OR APARTMENTS, WE ARE ONLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE REZONING OF THIS. WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF

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ZONING CASE. >> AS WELL ON FUTURE OWNERSHIP.

YOU CANNOT SAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOLD AND CAN NEVER BE TURNED INTO A RENTAL. THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE. THERE MAY BE SMALL COVENANTS IN THAT CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED. FOR THE MOST PART, A HOME CAN BE PURCHASED AND USED. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND BEING NEXT TO RENTALS AND HAVING LIVED IN RENTALS WERE YOUR NEXT TO PEOPLE AND THEY ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO. TO SHAWNTE FLEMING'S POINT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ZONING. WE WILL RECOMMEND SOMETHING OR NOT RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

>> I THINK ONE FINAL POINT -- I VISITED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. I WILL SAY, ABSOLUTELY WHAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY, THERE ARE SOME HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NEED SOME ATTENTION. I SAW AT LEAST ONE YARD I COULD EASILY PLEAD DOLPHIN. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. I SUSPECT THAT PERSON IS HERE.

YOU CAN TELL THE PEOPLE THAT CARE. THE PEOPLE THAT ULTIMATELY DECIDE THE FATE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THE NEIGHBORS. I AM SO THANKFUL TO SEE SO MANY OF YOU HERE TODAY.

IT SHOWS JUST -- SOMEONE SAID, THIS IS A SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU GUYS WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE HOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL DEVELOP. MUCH MORE THAN WE DO. ALL WE ARE DOING IS CONSIDERING GIVING MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THAT LOT TO GIVE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME DEVELOPMENT BEING LIABLE -- IF YOU CAN GET GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD , DRIVEN BY THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL HAVE A BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT IS WORTH CONSIDERING EXPANDING THE OPTIONS FOR THIS. AND I THINK YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWERS HERE TODAY. CONTINUE TO BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER AND WITH EACH OTHER. HAVING TWO OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HELP A LOT.

IT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN OUR SCOPE.

>> I THINK I MADE THE MOTION ON OF THE APARTMENT AND -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE OF MEDIUM DENSITY, MAXIMUM OF THREE UNITS PER LOT WITH THE FLEXIBILITY OF PATIO HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. THAT IS THE ONLY

ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. >> SECOND .

>> DID THAT SOUND CLEAR TO YOU?

>> YES. >> MOTION BY BRAD, SECOND BY MITCH.

>> >> THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> LIKE I MENTIONED. IN FRONT OF COUNSEL A COUPLE OF TIMES.

BE SURE AND GO THERE AND GIVE YOUR INPUT. WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH EVERYONE COMING. I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL POSIT JUST A MINUTE. WE STILL HAVE BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, PLEASE DO.

>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ZONING CASE 17. -- 13. Z-2024-13. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO Z-2024-17 , BECAUSE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CASE WITH TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. ZONING CASE Z-2024-13. AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW STORAGE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS A -- LOCATION AT

-- >> MY NAME IS CLARISSA IVEY. I AM STILL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN UP HERE FOR A WHILE. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE CASE Z-2024-13. THE OWNER IS WALMART STORES, REPRESENTED BY MADELINE HART. THEY WANT TO AMEND THE TERMS OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE SEVEN TO ALLOW SEASONAL COURAGE OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS AT A DESIGNATED AREA. THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ADDRESS AT 4350 SOUTHWEST DRIVE . AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF

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TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO ONE OF YOUR PICTURES. I THINK THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE UPPER LEFT PICTURE IS FURTHER BEHIND. I DON'T THINK THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE IN

-- >> NO. WHERE THE FENCE IS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND PICTURE, I AM SHOWING HOW THEY HAVE THE FENCE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. THAT ALONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD

AREA . >> YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PLAN.

THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOWING VACANT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

>> YES, SIR. YOU ARE CORRECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK

TO US. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM CAROLINA COOK WITH -- 6161 PARKWAY. I AM HERE REPRESENTING WALMART AS THE APPLICANT. WE ALSO HAVE DANA CORTESE, THE MANAGER. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> IS THAT THE DRAWING YOU GUYS DEVELOPED? THERE IS A NOTE RIGHT THERE ON THIS ONE. THERE IS A NOTE JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT REDLINE. WE COULD NOT READ IT IN OUR PACKAGE.

>> THAT IS A DRAWING WE DEVELOP TO SHOW A HATCHED AREA. THE NEW PROPOSED PAVEMENT FOR THE STORAGE CONTAINERS. THAT NOTE

IS CALLING OUT THE FENCING. >> SO THERE'S GOING TO BE

FENCING THERE? >> YES, THERE WILL BE FENCED

SCREEN STORAGE. >> YOU WILL SCREEN THE STORAGE FROM THE STORE? OR THE PROPERTY?

>> IT IS TO SCREEN IT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. AND YOU WILL PUT DOWN THE BASE MATERIAL?

>> CONCRETE. TO ANSWER THE ONE QUESTION, IT WILL BE ABOUT 30 TO 50 SHIPPING CONTAINERS. IT WILL VARY.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS MELANIE MYERS. I THAT THAT JUST LIVE AT 4465 BOTTLENECK DRIVE. MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE BACK OF THE WALMART FENCE. MOST PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FRONT OF WALMART. I SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE BACK OF WALMART. THIS IS GOING TO DIRECTLY AFFECT ME BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO COME FURTHER OUT INTO THE FIELD. THERE IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT GOING. WE ALREADY HAVE TRUCKS THAT RUN

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I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE MORE TIMES SINCE I HAVE LIVED IT. -- THAN I HAVE EVER PREVIOUSLY IN ABILENE. THEY PATROL WHAT HAPPENS IN FRONT OF THE STORE. BUT THEY DO NOT CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE STORE. THEY DO NOT TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DO NOT KEEP THEIR PROPERTY UP TO WHAT CANNOT BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC. THERE IS TRASH ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE WALMART BAGS ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY.

THE ALLEYWAY , THEY HAVE PROBABLY ONLY MODE THERE ALLEYWAY FIVE TIMES IN THE TIME WE HAVE LIVED THERE. WE ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP THE WEEDS DOWN. WE ARE THE ONES THAT GO OVER AND MOW AND PICK UP TRASH. BRINGING THIS IN , THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE ACTIVITY IN THE BACK OF WALMART. THERE IS GOING TO BE MERCHANDISE IN THE BACK OF WALMART. THAT IS GOING TO DRAW ATTENTION . SETH IS GOING TO GO UP. THAT IS GOING TO COME OVER INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS GOING TO DROP OUR PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO, DANIEL PATINAS, I AM OF THE STORE MANAGER. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD NEVER BE INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL DUMPING OFF PROPERTY. I COULD GO TO JAIL PERSONALLY, WHY WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT FOR MY CORPORATION? THERE ARE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS IN THAT FIELD. WE HAVE HAD TO CALL THE LEASE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO PUSH THEM OUT. THEY ARE CONTINUALLY DRAGGING STUFF OUT FROM THE STORE TO THE FIELD. IT IS MAKING A MESS BACK THERE. THAT IS WHERE THE TRASH COMES FROM.

THEY DRAG IT THERE. MY MOM LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM -- SHE HAS H-E-B TRASH ALL THE TIME. MY COUSIN LIVES BEHIND MARKET STREET, SHE HAD TO PICK UP MARKET STREET TRASH ALL THE TIME. ANYWHERE YOU GO, THERE WILL BE BUSINESS TRASH THAT GOES EVERYWHERE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PUBLIC THROWS IT IN THE PARKING LOT AND IT BLOWS. WE ARE IN TEXAS. WE HAVE PEOPLE PICK UP TRASH EVERY NIGHT AND MORNING AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE ARE ONE OF THE TOP 10 HIGHEST SALES VOLUME STORES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, EXTREMELY BUSY. THE STORAGE CONTAINERS ARE BUSINESS CRITICAL TO US SERVING THE CUSTOMERS NEEDS. -- WE GET FIVE SEMI TONIGHT, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FROM OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER. WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM. HOUSTON, DALLAS, SAN ANTONIO, THOUGH STORE S RUN -- $80 MILLION A YEAR. WE NEED THOSE STORAGE CONTAINERS. THE ONE CONCERN I DID HAVE , IN THAT AREA, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE TRIANGLE SHAPED SCALING TRIANGLE. THAT IS WHERE WE WILL ADD A CONCRETE. WE WERE PUTTING STORAGE IN THE FRONT OF THE GARDEN AREA. THAT IS TO TAKE THOSE TRAILERS IN FRONT OF THE STORE AND HAVE THEM THERE. WE HAVE ALWAYS, SINCE THE STORE HAS BEEN OPENED, BUT CONTAINERS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. ADJACENT FROM HOME DEPOT.

BEHIND -- WHERE IT DOES NOT OBSTRUCT ANY -- FOR TLE VISITORS. IT OUT OF THE FIRE LANE. AND ACROSS FROM HOME DEPOT. WE WOULD STILL NEED , I BELIEVE THE VERBIAGE SHE WAS SAYING IS WE WOULD ONLY PUT THIS IN THIS ISOLATED AREA.

THAT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH CONTAINER ROOM. WE STILL NEED IN FRONT OF KEELEY -- TLE. AND THIS ADDITIONAL TO TAKE AWAY THE CONTAINERS FROM IN FRONT THE STORE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IT MAINLY. TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE FRONT OF THE

STORM. >> IS ONE OF THE PICTURES YOU

WERE TALKING ABOUT? >> YES. THE PICTURE ON THE VERY BOTTOM RIGHT WITH THE LITTLE CONCRETE AREA AND THE PINK WHATEVER THAT IS. THAT WILL ALL BE CONCRETE. AND THEN THE AREA

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ABOUT 10 CONTAINERS. >> -- TO THE LEFT OF THAT? WERE

THE PALLETS ARE STACKED NOW? >> THAT REMAINS PALLET AND BILL STORAGE. -- BAIL STORAGE . OF THE OTHER CONTAINERS WILL GO ON

THE RIGHT. >> YOU SAY YOU HAVE CONTAINERS?

>> YES. RIGHT BY THE TLE PARKING. TO THE LEFT OF THAT.

>> OKAY. I AM SORRY. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO, SIR. IF YOU HAVE OTHER RATIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER. >> ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO

ADDRESS THIS CASE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS -- I LIVE AT 44 65 BOTTLE LAKE. DIRECTLY BEHIND -- IN ONE OF THE PICTURES, YOU COULD SEE THE HOUSE. WE WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACT -- IN THE BACK. THEY HAVE A SHIPPING CONTAINER BACK THERE RIGHT NOW IN THE TRIANGLE AREA THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. PALLETS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

ONLY BECAUSE OF THIS MEETING IS GOING ON DID THEY FINALLY CLEANED UP AND CUT THE GRASS. THEY HAVE CUT IT FIVE TIMES IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE SLOBS. BAGS, GARBAGE, ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE IS NO ONE WALKING AROUND CLEANING THE PROPERTY. YOUR TERRIBLE STEWARDS. HE IS A TERRIBLE

NEIGHBOR. >> YOU NEED TO ADDRESS US.

>> IF YOU LIVED WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH, YOU WOULD BE AGITATED. HE IS RIGHT, TRUCKS ARE COMING ALL UP AND

DOWN -- >> MAKE YOUR POINT.

>> MY POINT IS, THEY DO NOT CARE OF WHAT THEY HAVE GOT. IF THEY WERE ORGANIZED AND CLEANED UP THE INSIDE OF THE SCORE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO USE THE OUTSIDE OF THE STORE. THEY ARE DIRTY, THEY DO NOT KEEP UP THEIR PROPERTY. THEY LET TRUCKS IDLE BACK THERE. IT RATTLES OUR HOUSE ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, ALMOST EVERY NIGHT. WE HAVE COMPLAINED EVEN ABOUT EMPLOYEES BEING PICKED UP. THE BLAST THEIR RADIOS SO LOUD. HE JUST IGNORES US. HE HAS NEVER ONCE EVER TRY TO ADDRESS ANY OF OUR PROBLEMS. NOT ONE TIME. WE HAVE REPEATEDLY -- I COULD NOT TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE CALLED POLICE. WE DON'T EVEN BOTHER WITH THEM. THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE TRASH -- WE WERE BACK THERE TODAY. THERE IS OVER TWO OR 300 PALLETS. AT LEAST THEY STACKED THEM UP TODAY. THAT WAS NICE TO SEE. THAT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT. THE CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE WORSE. WHEN YOU GO UP MY YARD, THAT PICTURE IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME. I SEE STRAIGHT DOWN THE WALL. THERE IS A WALL THERE. BUT I KNOW WHAT IS BEHIND THE WALL. I CAN SEE. WHEN YOU STAND ON MY PATIO, I COULD SEE THE WALLS WHERE ALL THE PALLETS ARE. THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF PALLETS. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT GET WORSE. THEY CANNOT HANDLE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANYMORE. IF THEY ARE BRINGING IN CONTAINERS, THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC. WHO IS GOING TO BE THE OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM, YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU HAVE TO PULL THE CONTAINER OUT? THERE IS NO ONE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO THIS. WE WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM. THEY ARE THE ONES CREATING THE CRUMMY CONDITIONS WE ARE LIVING IN NOW. WE WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM TO BE THEIR OWN STEWARDS? THAT IS A BAD IDEA. IF THERE DOING 150 MILLION NOW, THEY DO NOT NEED CONTAINERS. IF THERE ONE OF THE TOP 10 BIGGEST, THEY DO NOT NEED MORE CONTAINERS.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE QUESTION HERE IS, TO ALLOW STORAGE CONTAINERS IN A CERTAIN AREA. BEHIND THE STORE. AND IT IS GOING TO BE ON A CONCRETE PAVED AREA. ON A SEASONAL BASIS FROM OCTOBER 1 TO DECEMBER 31. CLARISSA, DO YOU HAVE THE WORDING FOR THE PD ? SHOULD WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR PAVING, OR NOT? IS THERE A PAVEMENT REQUIREMENT?

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>> THE PLAN WILL ALSO BE ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE. ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE IT ALL PAVED.

>> IS WALMART IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS?

>> YES, I REACHED OUT TO -- AND CAROLINE CONFIRMED THAT WALMART WOULD BE FINE WITH THESE CONDITIONS.

>> WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT SCREENING FENCE? DO YOU HAVE

ANY IDEA? >> I CANNOT TELL YOU. I BELIEVE

IT WAS SEVEN FEET . >> THE QUESTION IS THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING FENCE. IT PROBABLY CANNOT BE OVER EIGHT .

>> NINE FEET. >> NINE FOOT HIGH FENCE .

>> THE SITE PLAN, THE STORE MANAGER HAD THE COMMENTS THAT IF IT IS ANOTHER PAVED AREA -- IT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN IF THAT IS THE CASE. THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE AREA. THE TRIANGULAR WEDGE IN THE BACK. -- WHAT THEY REPRESENTED HERE TODAY.

>> YOU COULD CONDITION THAT THE SITE PLAN BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED FOR STORAGE AREAS -- WE DO NOT HAVE

A REVISED SITE PLAN. >> OKAY .

>> I DID CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, DIDN'T I?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE CAN DO A MOTION WITH THESE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND ALSO ATTACHING THE NEW SITE PLAN THAT ADDS IN THE ADDITIONAL PAVED AREA THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY.

>> YES. IS THAT EMOTION? >> YES. DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY

IT AGAIN? YOU GOT IT? GREAT. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND .

>> THE MOTION CARRIES. >> WE WILL JUMP TO Z-2024-17.

STORAGE AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN DESIGNATED LOCATIONS AT 1650

HIGHWAY 51. >> HI, MY NAME IS KYLIE HANNA, A PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE. I AM REPRESENTING CASE Z-2024-17 , THE OWNER OF WALMART LOOKS TO AMEND PD 91 TO ALLOW FOR SEASONAL STORAGE CONTAINERS. HERE IS THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP . THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE TOP RIGHT IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE CONTAINERS ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED. THEY WILL PAVE ALL OF THAT AND HAVE THOSE CONTAINERS THERE. IT IS A BACK TO HIDE THE GROCERY PICKUP. I SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND A 200 FOOT BUFFER. WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES OF ZONING WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF PD 91, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING -- AND APPROVAL IN LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE TEMPORARY AND SEASONAL STORAGE CONTAINERS SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED BETWEEN OCTOBER 1 THROUGH DECEMBER 31 . ALL SEASONAL SHIPPING CONTAINERS SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY NO LATER THAN JANUARY 15TH. FIRE LANES AND DRIVING ISLES MAY NOT BE BLOCKED AND MUST REMAIN OPEN AT ALL TIMES. SEASONAL SHIPPING CONTAINERS MAY ONLY BE STORED AT THE LOCATION SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. AND SEASONAL SHIPPING CONTAINERS SHALL NOT BE STACKED ON EACH OTHER OR ON ANY OTHER STRUCTURE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> -- THANK YOU. I OPEN THE

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PUBLIC HEARING. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TIM HARDIN, I AM WITH -- CONSULTING. 8400 BATTLED YOU DRIVE. 75024. WE ARE THE CONSULTANT ENGINEERS HIRED BY WALMART TO WORK ON THIS PORTION OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO ADD PAVING FOR THE CONTAINER STORAGES AND REQUESTING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PD NOW. WE ALSO HAVE THE STORE MANAGER HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.

THANK YOU. >> SIR, CAN YOU CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE NOTES? WE COULD NOT READ THOSE NOTES. I GUESS THERE IS A

FENCE TO THE WEST? >> YES. THERE IS A SCREENING FENCE. IT IS SO SMALL I CANNOT SEE IT.

>> THAT IS THE SCREENING WALL. IN THE MIDDLE, I BELIEVE. WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A SMALL RETAINING WALL. DUE TO THE SLOW -- TO THE WEST . THAT IS ALL ELECTRICAL EASEMENT. WE WILL

NOT ENCROACH INTO THAT AT ALL. >> IT WILL BE ALL SHIPPING CONTAINERS. SOME ARE BOLD, SOME ARE --

>> THAT IS PROBABLY JUST A -- ISSUE. NO SIGNIFICANCE ON THE

BOLD. >> ARE THERE ANY SETBACKS ALONG

THE PROPERTY LINE? >> I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. I KNOW WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NOTHING INTERFERING IN THE SETBACK. I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL ON THAT. THAT IS AN EASEMENT . WALMART OWNS THE PROPERTY. BUT THEY BROUGHT AN EASEMENT ANYWAY. SO THERE ARE NO SETBACKS ON THE WEST. IT WILL PROBABLY BE A NORMAL BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE -- ROAD.

>> WERE THERE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING . ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION?

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> I 29 --

>> ZONING CASE -- PD 74. TO REDUCE MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR

AREA TWO IN THE PD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS CLARISSA IVEY. FOR YOU YOU HAVE -- THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE OWNER TO AMEND PDD-74. SPECIFICALLY FOR SOME PROPOSED LOTS SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE CONTINUATION ONE OF THE SIERRA SUNSET ADDITION ONE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A PROPOSED LOT OFF OF THE SIERRA SUNSET. THEY ARE A PART OF A MAJOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. HERE, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE TWO LOTS IN QUESTION. THERE WOULD BE DASHED AND RIGHT ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH BORDERLINE. HERE IS WHAT THE PROPOSED PLAT LOOKS LIKE. THE ONLY TWO LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GETTING THIS AMENDMENT OF A REDUCED MINIMUM SETBACK WOULD BE LOTS SEVEN AND LOT EIGHT. THOSE WOULD BE THE SOUTHERNMOST LOTS AT THE END OF THE KNUCKLE-SAC .

>> IS THAT A SETBACK FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC?

>> THE MINIMUM SETBACK THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE IS FROM THE REAR. IT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY THEY SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS

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TO THE EAST. >> OKAY.

>> THESE ARE SOME SUBJECT VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STREET HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT. WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND WE RECEIVED SEVEN OPPOSED AND ZERO IN FAVOR. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS -- WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF PDD-74 GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR IMPROVEMENT -- STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE

SETBACK AND WHAT IS IT NOW? >> THE SET BACK IS REQUIRED AT 20 FEET. THEY ARE PROPOSING IT TO BE 10 FEET FROM THE BACK.

>> JUST IN THE BACK? >> THE FRONT IS A 20 FOOT

SETBACK. >> IT WILL STAY 20 FOOT.

WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE 10 ON THE BACK?

>> THEY ARE WANTING TO USE -- THEY ARE DOING DUPLEXES ON ALL OF THE LOTS, THEY WANT TO KEEP THE SAME LAYOUT.

>> THE CUL-DE-SAC IS PUSHING IT BACK?

>> YES , THEY ARE WANTING TO PUSH THEM BACK. --

>> NO, IT IS SELF-IMPOSED. >> QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP ABOUT THIS CASE? I WILL CLOSE THE

PUBLIC HEARING. OH, YES, SIR. >> MY NAME IS JAMES I LOOK -- LIVE AT -- I KNOW MY VOTE HAS NOT BEEN TESTED HERE. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS HEARING. I'VE NEVER BEEN UP AND ONE OF HIS. TO DEAL WITH THE SAME SITUATION OPACITY NOT DEALT WITH, A LOT OF US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PAPERWORK. YOU ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WE ASKED. IT SAYS THEY WILL REDUCE THE SETBACKS. TO WHAT? WHAT ARE THEY? NO ONE KNEW. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN VOTES. THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT DID NOT UNDERSTAND, SO THEY DID NOT GO. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT THE FEW PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO, THEY ARE NOT HAPPY. ONE CANNOT BE HERE PHYSICALLY.

>> NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT? >> THE SETBACKS GETTING CHANGED. THEY ARE ALSO NOT HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THE NOTICES THAT COME THROUGH. JUST LIKE THE PASADENA FOLKS WERE TALKING ABOUT. THE PEOPLE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, BY LOTS SEVEN AND LOT EIGHT -- THEY HAVE PRETTY MASSIVE BACKYARD. I LIVE IN HIGH SIERRA. MY BACKYARD IS -- I HAVE 30 FEET IN MY BACKYARD. THESE GUYS PAID A PRETTY HAPPY PREMIUM TO HAVE A BACKYARD. HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT JUST HOW DO YOU THINK THEY WILL FILL WHEN A MASSIVE COMPANY START ENCROACHING ON THEIR BACKYARD? 10 FEET FEELS LIKE MAYBE IF THEY DEALT WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC BEFORE THEY PORTED, MAYBE THEY SHOULD'VE HELD THE SETBACKS THEN THE. IT IS JUST POOR PLANNING. THEY OPENED UP A SETBACK IN THIS AREA TO GO TO A DIFFERENT PICTURE -- KEEP GOING. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. LINDA VISTA, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE SETBACKS UP THERE ALSO.

>> NO, IT ONLY CHANGES THE TWO LOTS.

>> I SEE HOW IT'S WORDED. I CAME HERE TO CLARIFY.

>> IT SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE TWO LOTS .

>> ONLY SEVEN AND A? SO WHEN SOMEONE SELLS THE PROPERTY OVER SIERRA SUNSET, WE WILL BE BACK HERE? --

>> I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> I KNOW. I DO NOT EXPECT, SIR. I AM VOTING, NO. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANT TO VOTE, NO. I'M STILL HOLDING ONTO MY TICKET RIGHT NOW. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS POOR PLANNING. THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FOR PURCHASE. THE SAME GUY THEY BOUGHT IT FROM. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOUR 15 FEET MEANS SO MUCH MORE TO YOU. BUT IT WILL DRIVE OUR PROPERTY COST DOWN. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO TAKE SERIOUS PRIDE IN THEIR HOUSES,

INCLUDING MYSELF. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I AM -- REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPMENT ON THESE DUPLEXES.

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WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THOMPSON IS A COLLECTOR STREET. IS ON THE -- IT IS DESIGNATED TO GO THROUGH INAUDIBLE ] THAT IS WHY THERE IS A CUL-DE-SAC .

>> THE CUL-DE-SAC DOES NOT END THERE. IT IS CUT BECAUSE IT IS A UTILITY OR GAS LINE EASEMENT. THEY DID NOT MAKE THE CUL-DE-SAC FULL. SO IT STILL GOES THROUGH. I AM NOT SURE THE REASON FOR THAT. THERE ARE PROBABLY PICTURES THAT MAY SHOW THAT. IT DROPS OFF RIGHT THERE. THE STREET WILL CONTINUE THROUGH. IT'S CALLED PEAK DRIVE, I BELIEVE. I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING THAT FOR FIRE TRUCKS OR SOMETHING .

YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE ? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHY HALF A CUL-DE-SAC?

>> THE HALF CUL-DE-SAC WAS DISCUSSED BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND THE DEVELOPER. I CAN'T SPEAK AS TO WHY THEY CAME UP WITH THAT. THAT PARTICULAR REASONING BEHIND IT. I CAN TELL YOU IN THE VELOPMENT CODE, IT IS BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE LOTS ADJACENT TO THAT. SO THE THOMPSON PARKWAY ONLY HAS TWO LOT THAT ARE ATTACHED TO IT. A CUL-DE-SAC WAS NOT REQUIRED. WHERE IS THIS ONE, AS IT GOES FURTHER AND, THE FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE ABLE -- NEED TO TURN AROUND AT THE END OF THAT STREET.

>> UNTIL IT GOES ON THROUGH? OKAY. I CAN SEE THE REASON.

>> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF EITHER MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OR EVEN CHANGING THE FRONT SETBACK WHEN YOU ARE NOT AFFECTING YOUR NEIGHBORS ' -- IT REDUCES THE FRONT YARD. BUT THAT IS THEN

ONLY AFFECTING -- >> IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE REAR SETBACK, JUST THE FRONT LOOK. WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC --

>> CLARISSA, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR THAT?

>> WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT. HE SAID HE COULD WORK WITH 15 AND 15. OR 20 IN THE FRONT AND 10 IN THE BACK. HOWEVER, IF WE GO 15 IN THE BACK, HE REQUIRED MORE PARKING. I GUESS IF HE CAN PROVIDE A PLAN WHERE HE CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR THE FOUR PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT,

THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. >> OF COURSE , THAT IS NOT THE

REQUEST BEFORE US NOW. >> I JUST WANT TO MENTION THE PARKING FOR A VEHICLE IS TYPICALLY NINE BY 18.

>> THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT DOES -- BACKUP TO THE SLOT THE -- DID NOT OBJECT TO THE CHANGE. THERE IS ANOTHER OPEN

LOT . >> MR. HALLIBURTON, THE OWNER THAT COMPLETELY TOUCHES THE BOUNDARY LINE. HE CAME TO MY

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>> I GOT YOU. HE DID NOT SHOW UP AND OUR PACKET IS OPPOSED.

>> HE CAME IN THE OFFICE. HE DID NOT PROVIDE ME THE PAPERWORK AND HE DID NOT SEND THE EMAIL. I JUST HAD HIS VOICE. I DID NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL PAPER TRAIL.

>> SO HE CAME IN AND HE IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS?

>> HE IS NOT IN FAVOR. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE CUL-DE-SAC. THE STREETS ALREADY

BEEN PAVED? >> IT HAS BEEN PLATTED.

>> CAN WE VISIT WITH THE DEVELOPER AGAIN?

>> I HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR, WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK UP? WOULD IT AFFECT YOU OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WORK WITH IT IF WE AS SUGGESTED CHANGE THE FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENT?

>> TO 15? >> I GUESS WE NEED TO DISCUSS.

>> IF HE IS TAKING 10 OFF THE BACK, HE WILL TAKE 10 OFF THE

FRONT. >> IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT IS 18 FEET YOU DON'T WANT IT STICKING INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC.

>> I DID NOT KNOW IF HE HAD MAYBE PLANS FOR PARKING OR THE

PARKING WAS. >> A LOT OF OTHER CITIES -- THEY TAKE THE FRONT SETBACK THAT CONTINUES FROM LOT ONE THROUGH EIGHT ALL THE WAY DOWN. THEY TAKE THE PROPERTY LINE THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC AS YOUR SETBACK. THAT IS TYPICALLY -- LIKE 45 FEET OR SOMETHING. IT IS QUITE A BIT. 20 FEET JUST GIVES US ENOUGH ROOM TO GET SOME CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT IT BEING OF THE SIDEWALK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. LIKE I SAID, WITH OTHER PROPERTIES LIKE A TOWNHOME OR SOMETHING, WHEN YOU HAVE 10 FOOT REAR SETBACKS, IT'S NOT A DIFFERENCE. IT'S STILL A DWELLING. WE ARE JUST ASKING

FOR THE TWO. >> IT LOOKS TO ME ALSO -- WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AFTER. ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP? YOU ARE GOOD.

>> I AM CURIOUS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS? OR DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT BRINGS THEM MORE INCOME?

>> WE ARE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THAT.

>> IT'S KIND OF A RHETORICAL QUESTION. HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT A PARK FOR THESE KIDS? PARKING LOT? ANYTHING? THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES THAT RENTS, RIGHT? THANK YOU.

>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE ADJACENT LOTS TO THE EAST . I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH.

THE HOME RIGHT THERE IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY.

APPARENTLY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE SET BACKS ARE IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY . CAN THE CITY ANSWER THAT? 20.

>> THAT HOME DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT HAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK. IT IS NOT A PART OF THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT -- SO, I GUESS WE HAVE TO -- THE QUESTION IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO GO FROM A 20 FOOT SETBACK TO A 10 FOOT SETBACK. THAT IS THE QUESTION. WE ARE MAKING AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE I AM UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. I GUESS I AM THE

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>> IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE EASE OF DESIGN. BUT THOSE ARE NOT THE ONLY TYPES OF DESIGNS THAT ARE POSSIBLE. SO YOU ARE ADJUSTING A SETBACK -- I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A DIFFERENT DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THE SAME SETBACK. MAYBE IT IS A SLIGHTLY SMALLER DUPLEX. WHERE THEY LOSE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE ACTUAL DWELLING RATHER THAN LOSE A SQUARE FOOTING --

>> DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE STREET HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT AS THE CITY REQUIRED? I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC BEING THERE. BUT ALSO, THE SETBACKS ARE PRETTY STANDARD ACROSS. I WOULD NOT MOVE -- I DON'T THINK THE INCONVENIENCE OF DESIGN -- WILL MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST TO ADJUST THE SETBACK.

>> SECOND. >>

THE MOTION CARRIES. >> WE ARE ON 16 NOW, I THINK.

ZONING CASE Z-2024-16. THE CHANGE OF A -- TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 19 WINDMILL CIRCLE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND, I AM A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF A BALEEN. THIS IS CASE Z-2024-16. IT IS REPRESENTED BY A LUKE HARWELL. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.02 ACRES FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS LOCATED AT 19 WINDMILL CIRCLE.

HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE. BACK -- AREA OF THE PROPERTY. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH USES AND ZONING'S IN THE BASE ZONING OF HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL. TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL THERE IS ANOTHER PD THAT IS KIND OF SIMILAR IN USE AND ZONING. JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED LI, LIKE ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. IT IS USED FOR SELF STORAGE AS WELL. AS WELL AS SOME OTHER GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTHEAST. HERE ARE THE VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF. IT IS A STRUCTURE -- BY A DETAILING COMPANY. AND SOME OTHER VARIOUS OFFICE USES TO THE EAST. YOU STILL HAVE SOME OTHER PRETTY STANDARD MEDICAL OFFICE AND WAREHOUSING USES. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE USES PERMITTED IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND -- COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATION AND RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED OF THE REQUEST. THE REQUEST HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN SURROUNDING USES IN ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED -- AND CRITERIA OF APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU HAVE. >> IN THE PAPERWORK THEY SAID THEY WANT TO CHANGE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PORT GM? GO BACK TO GC. WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN HERE?

>> THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A PERSONAL SERVICE OR RECREATION

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BUILDING , MULTIPURPOSE. >> WHAT IS RECREATION? I SEE PERSONAL SERVICES. RECREATION BUILDING.

>> THAT WOULD BE IN THE ACCESSORY USES. RECREATION AND COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT AND DOOR. I AM SORRY. THAT WOULD BE

IN CULTURAL AND RECREATION. >> GO BACK TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WHY COULDN'T YOU CONSIDER AN ACCESSORY BUILDING

MULTIPURPOSE? >> THIS WOULD BE A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. THE COMMERCIAL AND RECREATION -- ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR CAN ONLY BE A WORKABLE HERE.

>> OKAY . I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. WE COULDN'T HAVE SQUEEZES INTO THE OTHER ZONING?

>> NOT IN THE WAY WE TYPICALLY HAVE A CLASSIFIED GYMS IN THE

PAST. >> A JIM WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS RECREATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WANT TO COME UP AND VISIT THAT ? YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT JUST FOR THIS.

>> SORRY. >> NO WORRIES. IT WAS REALLY

FUN. >> LEO -- I WILL BE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE PURSUING PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN REZONE IT THE WAY WE NEED TO. REALLY, I CAME UP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WE WILL OPERATE BOOT CAMP STYLE. IS IN AN. FAR ENOUGH FROM HOUSING I CAN'T SEE IT BEING AN OBSTRUCTION, JUST AN ADDITION TO THE AREA WE ARE IN.

I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

>> I ALWAYS LOVE A GOOD JIM. >> WE LIKE TO BELIEVE WE PROVIDE A GREAT SERVICE. ANY WHATSOEVER?

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

>> THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY LONG MEETING. NORMALLY THEY ARE 30

MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE SOME

VERY PASSIONATE PEOPLE. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> I SECOND-PERIOD

>> MOVED TO APPROVE AND ADJOURN.

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