Nov 26, 2024 Landmarks Commission

[CALL TO ORDER]

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I CALLED THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS THE ABILENE LANDMARKS COMMISSION. THE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS INAUDIBLE ] FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF LOCAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THE COMMISSION ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF HISTORIC OVERLAY ZONING.

HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR APPROVAL ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS AND HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION CASES. DECISIONS REGARDING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS -- I'M GOING TO PRACTICE THAT WORD -- MAY BE APPEALED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE NO LATER THAN 15 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING. DECISIONS REGARDING HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL BY WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE CITY SECRETARY NO LATER THAN 10 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME , AND PURPOSE FOR APPEARING. EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST ORDER OF

[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on September 24, 2024]

CORRECT? OKAY. >> RECEIVED THEM AND HAD TIME

TO REVIEW THEM. >> YES. OKAY. SO, THE MINUTES WERE SENT OUT VIA EMAIL. DID EVERYONE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE? OKAY. WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS ?

NOPE? OKAY. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE .

>> SECOND. >> AND I HAVE A SECOND. DO YOU CALL FOR THE VOTE OR DO I ON THIS?

>> YOU CAN ASK FOR A VOICE VOTE OR ALL IN FAVOR. EITHER WAY.

>> OKAY. NEW TO THIS . I DID NOT REALIZE I WOULD BE DOING THIS OR I WOULD'VE BRUSHED UP ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. ANY OPPOSED , SAME SIGN. ABSTENTIONS? SAME SIGN.

[2. CA-2024-06: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request for Certificate of Appropriateness Located at 1942 N. 3rd Street for the following improvements:(Mason Teegardin) • Repainting the exterior of the home • Adding cedar fencing to the backyard area • Adding metal decorative fencing to the front of the home • Adding a carport to the carriage house/garage]

I BELIEVE MASON WILL HELP US WITH THAT INFORMATION. THANK

YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MASON TEEGARDIN AND ABOUT PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY WILL BE PRESENTING CASE CA-2024-06 . THE OWNER IS MATT AND CHRISTI MELBOURNE AND THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

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NORTH 3RD STREET. >> THE TRENTON I BUILT WAS ABOUT 1905 AND IS A ONE HALF STORY FRAME CLASSICAL REVIVAL DWELLING WITH A MODIFIED RECTANGULAR PLAN AND A LOW-PAGE TAPED ROOF PICK THE MAIN FACADE HAS A TWO-TIERED PORTICO WITH A CLASSICALLY INSPIRED RELIEF IN THE ENTABLATURE BETWEEN THE TWO FLOORS. THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE PORTICO PROJECTS OUTWARD FROM THE PARCH AND HAS A LARGE, SQUATTING COLUMNS WITH IONIC CAPITALS. SIMILAR SIZED AND DETAILED COLUMNS ARE USED ON THE REMAINDER OF THE PORCH. THE DORMER ALSO HAS COLUMNS WITH IONIC CAPITALS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN THOSE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

ONE STORY FRAME BUILDING , CARRIAGE HOUSE/GARAGE, IS NORTHEAST OF THE MAIN HOUSE AND IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC

OVERLAY. >> HERE WE HAVE A LOCATION MAP.

AND AN AERIAL MAP. AND WE ALSO HAVE A ZONING MAP . IT IS ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. HERE WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE HAVE A HISTORIC PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE EARLY '90S. AND THEN WE HAVE A HISTORIC LETTER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM , I BELIEVE, 2004. HERE WE HAVE ATTACHED THE PROPOSED PAINT SAMPLES BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WEDGWOOD GRAY FOR THE MAIN PLOTTING CLASSICAL WHITE BUT WITH THE TRIM. STAFF REVIEWED THE REQUEST PURSUANT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS WITH THE HABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS . REPAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, ADDING CEDAR FENCING TO THE BACKYARD AREA, AND ADDING METAL DECORATIVE FENCING TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ADDING A CARPORT TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE/GARAGE AND THE DENIAL IS BECAUSE THE PROPOSED CARPORT DOES NOT MEET THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARD OF CRITERIA. IF THE ITEMS ARE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 2.3.4.4 REQUIRES THAT THE WORK APPROVED IN THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL COMMENCE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION. IF THE WORK IS NOT COMMENCED WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL EXPIRE. THE APPLICANT MAY REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO THE EXPIRATION DEADLINE PROVIDED A COMPLETED EXTENSION REQUEST IS SUBMITTED AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS EXPIRES. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MASON? I DO THAT EVERY TIME. I CALL YOU MEGAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY. I HAVE A QUESTION. THE COLORS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THEY WEDGWOOD GRAY AND THE CLASSICAL WHITE.

THOSE DO MEET WITH THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> -- HOUSE IS THAT OF THE

BUILDING? >> HISTORICAL COLORS. YES.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ?

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR IGNORANCE. WHY WOULD YOU NOT RECOMMEND ADDING THE CARPORT AND HOW DOES IT NOT MEET STANDARDS?

>> THE CARPORT AS PROPOSED, I BELIEVE, IS WOULD POST PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS THE GARAGE AND A TIN ROOF. DUE TO THE TIN ROOF AND THE EXISTING , KIND OF, BUILDING AND PERTAINING TO THAT TIME., THIS WOULD NOT MATCH . BECAUSE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC VECTOR, IT NEEDS TO MATCH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY.

>> IS THE ROOF VISIBLE ON THE CARPORT? IS IT A FLAT ROOF OR

PITCHED ROOF? >> THOSE WOULD BE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION WE GOT WITHIN THE

APPLICATION. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MASON?

>> I GUESS MY ASSUMPTION ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST PAINTING BUT REPAIR AND REFURBISHING?

>> YES . >> CURRENT PICTURES LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE HOUSE THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.

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>> THEY ARE DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO THE HOME.

MOST OF THE STUFF THEY ARE DOING, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT , IS LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT ARE ITEMS THAT DON'T NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST BECAUSE THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THE PROJECT TAX REDUCTION WHEN THEY ARE COMPLETED WITH THE PROJECT.

YES, THEY ARE DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REPAIRS.

>> I GATHER THAT WHEN ASKED THE QUESTION. IT WAS LAUGHTER FROM

THE MEMBERS. OKAY. >> ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SO , AT THIS TIME WE WOULD TAKE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC . IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME , AND LIMIT YOUR PRESENTATION TO ABOUT THREE

MINUTES. ANYBODY? >> I'M MATT MELBOURNE. SAID PEOPLE OWNING THAT HOUSE. OUR ONLY QUESTION REALLY, I GUESS FOR MASON OR WHOEVER IS ON THE CARPORT. I THINK WE ARE PRETTY OPEN ABOUT THE CARPORT. IF THE SOLUTION IS USING THE SAME COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT IS ON THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE, IF THAT SATISFIED WHATEVER WE ARE DOING. IF IT NEEDS A PITCH, LIKE A SAID, WE ARE PRETTY OPEN. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CARPORT. WHO WOULDN'T LIKE ONE?

>> WE DO GET HAIL AROUND HERE.

>> YEAH. I GUESS WE LOOK FOR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET THAT APPROVED , WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

>> UNLESS I'M MISSING THE PACKET , I DON'T SEE ANY DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING OF THE CARPORT ADDITION.

>> I DID A SKETCH TO WHERE IT WOULD GO ON THE SURVEY. I HAVE A PICTURE THAT ARE BROUGHT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS MORNING THERE ARE NO PICTURES OF THE CARPORT IN THE PACKET SO I BROUGHT A PICTURE. I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU TO LOOK AT. OF THE GARAGE. IF YOU WANT. BUT THE CARPORT. THE GARAGE. CAN I GET

THAT? >> YEAH. AND MAYBE FOR MASON, TOO, I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS . THE INTERIORS DEPARTMENTS, AND WHAT THAT -- I GET YOUR POINT. MAYBE NOT JUST A NO BACK -- NO, BUT GUIDANCE ON WHAT IS APPROPRIATE

. >> YOU'RE GOING INTO IT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A CARPORT UP AND IT COULD BE 10 OR WHATEVER?

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT PLACE TO GET IS A CONCRETE THAT

ALREADY. >> VISITS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE BACK TO THE RIGHT IN THE REAR.

>> IS THE GARAGE USABLE? >> NOT CURRENTLY.

>> NOT YET. IT WILL BE. IT WON'T FIT CARS. IT'S, MAY BE THOSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS REALLY DESIGNED FOR IT TO BE A GARAGE. ORIGINALLY. THERE ARE SOME LIVING QUARTERS AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS. OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT WHOEVER HELP THE FAMILY WAY BACK WHEN, LIVE THERE. AT SOME POINT THE SPACE WAS ADDED BUT MAYBE ONE CAR. AND THAT --

>> I'M KIND OF WITH YOU, AND MASON -- MAYBE I SHOULD KNOW BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL NEED. BUT HOW DO WE FIND A WAY TO TRY TO HELP THESE FOLKS GET A CARPORT WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES IT NEED TO LOOK LIKE?

>> I THINK WE ARE PRETTY OPEN TO ANYTHING. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO HEAD.

>> SO, JUST TO CLARIFY. THE CRITERIA ASSESSMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT IS A STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION FOR HISTORIC BUILDING. IT IS THOSE STANDARDS. ALTHOUGH NUMBERED ONES . AND IT DOES SAY IN THOSE THAT NEW EDITIONS HAVE TO COME OR ANY NEW RELATED CONSTRUCTION , SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MATCHING SIZE, SCALE AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROTECT THE FIRST INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS ENVIRONMENT . SO, THE WAY THAT WE EXAMINE IT ON OUR END IS

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>> OKAY. BUT IF THEY FRAMED IT OUT WITH A HIP ROOF AT THE SAME SLOPE WITH THE SAME MATERIALS AND HAD IONIC CAPITAL COLUMNS

INSTEAD OF JUST CEDAR POSTS? >> THAT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S JUST HOW WE INTERPRET IT THOSE QUESTIONS ?

>> BUT THAT ONE NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US AT ANOTHER DATE,

WOULDN'T IT? >> NO. THAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS

MEETING >> WE CAN APPROVE WITH

STIPULATIONS? >> BASICALLY, YOU AS THE BOARD , YOU DECIDE WHAT REQUIREMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES THE CRITERIA AND YOU GET TO SET THOSE PARAMETERS COME IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE IF YOU APPROVE THAT ITEM, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION CAN SAY, I AM APPROVING THESE ITEMS AND YOU CAN IMPROVE IT AS IT WAS SUBMITTED, AS THEY REQUESTED IT, OR YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH SOME KIND OF PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. BUT THAT IS UP TO YOU.

>> YEAH. >> IF YOU FORWARD TWO SLIDES -- SORRY. THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE AND CONTEXT WITH THE MAIN HOUSE. SO THAT MIGHT HELP EVERYBODY HERE AS YOUR THINKING ABOUT IT. MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS, I GUESS, IS THAT HISTORIC AS WELL, BUILT THE SAME TIME,

AND IDENTIFY? >> THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.

>> IT, FROM A FORMS STANDPOINT, IS ALREADY A DEPARTURE FROM THE MAIN HOUSE, IN MY OPINION. YES, IT HAS CLAPBOARD SIDING AND A SHINGLE ROOF THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN REPLACED MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY. IT'S NOT ROUNDED AROUND THE CORNERS. THERE IS NO COLUMNS, ET CETERA. SO , I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A PATH TO GET A CARPORT ADDED TO THAT THAT WOULD WORK WITH BOTH .

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT OUR HOUSE ON THE OVERHANGS OVER THE DINING ROOM AND THE BEDROOM, THERE IS AN ORIGINAL TIN ROOF STILL ON THE HOUSE SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND ALSO, THE GARAGE AND THE CARPORT WILL BE BEHIND THE CEDAR FENCING. FROM THE ROAD YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE MUCH OF THE CARPORT.

>> ANY IMAGES OR SKETCHES FOR THE FENCE AND WHERE IT WOULD GO

IN THE PACKET? >> IT'S PART OF THE SURVEY.

>> CAN WE GET THAT UP ON THE SCREEN?

>> IT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE ON THE SCREEN BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKET ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

>> YEAH. IT'S KIND OF THE SKETCH. IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT. JUST MAINLY WHERE IT WOULD GO , IS HOW YOU WOULD

LOOK AT THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY?

>> MASON, I MEAN -- I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DID NOT RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT IF THEY WERE WILLING TO KEEP IT MORE IN LINE WITH THE PERIOD, WOULD THAT CHANGE --

>> WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT HOW IT IS, YOU CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO PUT STIPULATIONS ON THEIR MATERIALS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO

DO -- YOU CAN DO THAT. >> WERE YOU THINKING IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO CARS OR ONE CAR? IT WOULD REALLY BE THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING GARAGE, JUST ABOUT.

>> I WOULD GUESS PROBABLY ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE TO THE WINDOW. NOT QUITE THE FULL

>> IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS PICTURE BUT ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, IS IT JUST ONE ROOFLINE OR IS THERE A ROOFLINE AND THEN

A SMALLER ROOFLINE? >> JUST THE ONE.

>> JUST ONE SO, REALISTICALLY, I GUESS, YOU COULD BUILD INTO THAT AND HAVE IT COME OUT TO WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PART OF IT. THAT'S WHAT I DID AT MY HOUSE RECENTLY WHEN I PUT

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>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO A PITCHED ROOF IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OFFSET -- CENTERED BETWEEN THE EDGES? BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE PADS

NOT -- HEIR. >> THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.

THIS CONCRETE PAD, IS IT IN THE FRONT WHERE WE SEE IT AS A KIND

OF BEHIND THE HOUSE? >> IT DRIVES UP TO THE GARAGE.

>> THE DRIVEWAY THAT ARE PURCHASED ON THE SIDE STREET.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK WE ARE PRETTY WELL

>> IS THIS CURRENTLY YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE? NO?

>> IT WILL BE. >> IT WILL BE. WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE GOING TO LIVE HERE, LIVE IN IT OR -- DO AIRBNB?

>> IT WILL TAKE US

>> IT'S ADMIRABLE THAT YOU'RE DOING WE ARE DOING TO THAT HOUSE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> SO MY QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT IS , IS THIS CARPORT GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING OR FREESTANDING WHERE IT COULD BE REMOVED AT A LATER DATE SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE HISTORIC PROPERTY? WOULD THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, MASON? NO? OKAY.

>> YOU MENTIONED HAVING 10 ON OTHER AREAS OF THE ROOF. DO YOU INTEND TO USE -- OR SHEET-METAL OR WHATEVER IT IS ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE ROOF THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING? WILL IT BE A

SIMILAR COLOR? >> THERE'S I DON'T KNOW THAT

WE COULD DO THAT? >> NOT EXACTLY. OKAY.

>> WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND --

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> THE OPTION INSTEAD OF SPENDING THE MONEY ON A CARPORT BUT PUTTING THAT TOWARDS MAKING THE GARAGE USABLE? OR YOU WANT

THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR STORAGE? >> I JUST DON'T THINK -- IT SORT OF SHALLOW. OUR CAR IS BIG AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD

FIT. >> IF IT WAS A CARRIAGE HOUSE IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT FOR A CARRIAGE.

>> YEAH.

>> I MEAN, I DON'T SEE -- I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A NICE TO SEE A VISUAL OF WHAT IS PLANNED BEFORE WE MAKE ANY APPROVALS BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOUSE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE THAN A GARAGE AND CARPORT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE IT. I DON'T THINK WE WANT JUST A PREFAB METAL CARPORT,

NECESSARILY. >> IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU

WOULD DO EITHER. >> I THINK UNDERSTANDING MORE OF WHAT THAT IS AND HAVING A VISUAL WOULD HELP , RIGHT? MY FEELING IS THERE IS A PATH FORWARD FOR THAT.

>> IS IT POSSIBLE, APPROPRIATE WITH THE PROCESS ON YAWLS AND IF THE COMMITTEE APPROVED WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED, BUT DID NOT APPROVE THE CARPORT . THEN, COULD THEY REAPPLY OR COULD THAT BE LEFT OPEN? NOT TO MAKE IT BURDENSOME ON THEM TO HAVE TO REDO IT BUT I'M WITH YOU , IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD SOME

VISUALS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I AGREE BUT

>> IF YOU WANT TO PUT STIPULATIONS, ONE OF BUT THE STIPULATIONS NOW AND SAVE THEM A TRIP FROM HAVING TO COME UP HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME TO COME BACK UP HERE AGAIN, EVEN IF YOU WANT A FLAT ROOF OR PITCHED ROOF OR IF YOU

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>> YES. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I MEAN, IF WE COULD GET SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD -- THAT'S WHERE I AM DEFICIENT AND KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE THING TO SET IN

PLACE . >> PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE STRUCTURES ACTUALLY BUILT DIFFERENT. I DON'T THEY WERE BUILT ORIGINAL SO IT'S HARD TO SAY STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY. THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HAS DIFFERENT -- LET'S SAY, TEACHERS ON THE OUTSIDE. THE ROOF IS DIFFERENT. EVERYTHING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. TO TO SAY WE WILL MATCH IT UP ARE THE PROPERTY LOOKS INNOCENT, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT. IF IT'S A FLAT CARPORT WITH THE SAME SIDING OR SHINGLES ON TOP AND THEN AS PART OF THE POSTS, MAKE THEM A COLUMN AND THEN THAT WOULD KEEP THE INTEGRITY BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT BEHIND THE PRIVACY FENCE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE THAT PARTICULAR ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY PUT IN A STIPULATIONS.

>> THAT I MISS THE PART ABOUT THE PRIVACY FENCE? I GUESS I

DID FINISH IT OR DID MR. >> THE GARAGE IS HERE, THE CARPORT IS HERE IN THE PRIVACY FENCE WOULD HIDE IT.

>> OKAY.

>> LOTS OF DISCUSSION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY --

>> DO WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART?

>> IT'S UP TO YOU. YOU MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. YOU CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AND THEY CAN SIT DOWN BUT YOU'RE OPEN TO WELCOME IT AND ASK QUESTIONS. IT'S REALLY FLEXIBLE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ARTWORK TO SHOW WHAT WE WILL SEE FROM THE SIX FOOT LEVEL LOOKING BACK AT THE HOUSE AND WHAT WE WILL SEE OVER TOP OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. BUT WITHOUT ANY VISUALS HERE OR KNOWING WHAT IT WILL BE MADE UP OR IF IT WILL BE FLAT OR A ROOF -- YOU KNOW. IT'S SCARIER TO ME TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING A PITCH TO IT. IF IT WAS ALLOWED.

I'M JUST NOT GETTING ON BOARD ON THIS. FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE. IT'S NICE TO KNOW THERE WILL BE A FENCE ACROSS THERE, BUT I STILL THINK THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SUCH A UNIQUE PART OF THE PROPERTY . WE DON'T HAVE MANY THAT ARE OF THIS CHARACTER IN TOWN. AND I WANT TO MAKE ONE OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS REALLY HAPPY IN HIS AFTERLIFE AND WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU, ALL , FOR BEING AVAILABLE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE? THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC COMMENTS TIME? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE -- THAT SCARED ME. WE WILL CLOSE THAT. WELL, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION. I THINK WE ARE HAVING -- WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE TO SAY. I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT WANTING TO JUST NECESSARILY SHUT DOWN THE CARPORT , BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT IS PROPOSED . THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> IF THERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS IF THERE'S ROOM BEHIND THE GARAGE. TO PUT THE CARPORT BACK THERE OUT OF SIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ROOM BACK THERE OR NOT BECAUSE THERE'S

NOT THERE >> ACCORDING TO THE DRAWING BE PROVIDED, THE GARAGE BACKS UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> OKAY.

>> IF THEY ARE WORKING WITH A DESIGNER, CONTRACT, SOMEBODY , THEY COULD DO A SIMPLE SKETCH OF WHAT THE ROOF LINE WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE MASS OF THE CARPORT AND YOU COULD TAKE 30

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TO LOOK LIKE . >> IS A POSSIBLE TO APPROVE THE OTHER ISSUES AND CONTINUE THIS ISSUE TO THE NEXT MEETING?

>> I DON'T KNOW. THAT MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR YOU, KELLY.

>> YOU CAN MOVE TO TABLE -- YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THEIR OPINION, IF THEY WANT , BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE A MOTION.

SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT LANDMARKS COMMISSION MEETING OR TO THE NEXT MONTH MEETING.

SOMETIMES 30 DAYS DOESN'T EXACTLY WORK OUT SO IT MAY BE BETTER TO TABLE TILL THE NEXT LANDMARKS COMMISSION MEETING.

BUT IT'S AN OPTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

>> SO WHAT IF WE PASSED EVERYTHING THEY WANT THAT IS WRITTEN WITHOUT THE CARPORT AND THEN THEY REAPPLY FOR THAT?

>> I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY APPLICATION FEE IS AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO TABLE IT . BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WHAT -- I DON'T THINK WE WOULD TAKE PART OF THE CA AND HOLD PART OF THE CA APPLICATION.

>> THIS IS THE EMPOWERMENT ZONE SOUTHERN ABUSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE ONE AND NOT TAKE ACTION -- IF

THEY DID TAKE ACTION -- >> YEAH. I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO NOT BREAK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE CA ITEM.

>> AT BIELAK WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE WANT TO FIND A PATH TO A CARPORT, RIGHT? SO ARE NOT AGAINST THE CARPORT. WE JUST GOT TO GET SOMETHING VISUAL TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO A SKETCH BUT JUST SOMETHING BASIC AND GIVES US AN IDEA OF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. VISUALLY THAT WOULD HELP US OUT. WE WENT TO GET THEM A CARPORT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYBODY.

THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. WE DON'T WANT TO DRAG IT ON FOR THEM, BUT I THINK SOMETHING VISUAL WOULD HELP ME. I'M OVER HERE SKETCHING IN MY HEAD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING.

>> AND MAYBE A LIST OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND THINGS.

>> IT'S OPEN AIR PICKETS AND OPEN AIR CARPORT, FOR MY UNDERSTANDING. WERE TALKING ABOUT A POST AND A ROOF .

>> AND PROBABLY NOT ATTACHED TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. JUST

STANDALONE. >> YEAH.

>> SO AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT WE COULD HAVE A MOTION JUST TO TABLE IT TO ALLOW TIME FOR THAT , AND THEN REVISIT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AS A WHOLE?

>> YOU COULD . YES. >> BUT IF WE ALREADY HAVE HER STIPULATIONS, OBVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT WANT IT ATTACHED TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. SAME MATERIAL AS THE ROOF. MATCH IT. BEAUX COLLINS TO MATCH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE . WHY COULD WE NOT DO HER STIPULATIONS AND GET EVERYTHING TAKEN CARE OF SO

THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD? >> WHETHER IS A DRAWING OR NOT IS NOT GOING TO SWAY ONE PERSON BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL THEY USE . IF WE PUT IT AS A STIPULATION, THEN OUR FOUNDATION IS SET AND THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WE MOVE

FORWARD, AS WELL. >> I LIKE THAT THOUGHT . LET ME JUST LAY OUT WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING, OR AT LEAST WHAT I AM IMPOSING, AS WELL, AND WE SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK IF WE WERE TO SAY THE CARPORT IS APPROVED AS TO DETACH FROM THE ORIGINAL CARRIAGE HOUSE, WITH FOUR COLUMNS TO MATCH CLOSELY THE EXISTING HOUSE. I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE IONIC CAPITALS, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. AND A HIP ROOF WITH THE SAME ROOFING MATERIAL AND THE SAME SLOPE ON THAT HIP ROOF AS THE CARRIAGE

HOUSE? >> AND THE SAME COLORS.

>> SAME COLORS. TO ME THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY ME WITHOUT HAVING TO SEE IT. BECAUSE I THINK STYLISTICALLY IT WOULD WORK, AND IT'S NOT ATTACHED.

>> I WOULD AGREE . >> WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO DOING A FLAT ROOF VERSUS A PITCHED ROOF?

>> I THINK IT WOUL BE THE ONLY OPTION, SIMPLY BECAUSE IF YOU

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THE SLOPE ON DOWN. >> I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE

FLAT . >> I AM AGREEING IT SHOULD BE FLAT. JUST DO A FLAT ROOF, THAT WAY YOU FIND THAT YOUR SHINGLES MATCH, BUT IT'S NOTHING NOTICEABLE. WHAT YOU SEE WILL BE SIMILAR, AND IT WILL TIE IN BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING ASPECTS OF THE MAIN HOME INTO THE CARPORT . AND I THINK THAT WOULD SUFFICE EVERYONE.

>> THE FLAT ROOF, YOU DON'T HAVE SHINGLES. THERE IS NO

SLOPE THAT'S A METAL ROOF. >> IT'S A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

>> I'M NOT SAYING I'M AGAINST THAT.

>> SHINGLES ARE NOT IN THE EQUATION WILL BE GOOD TO A FLAT ROOF. THAT'S DIFFERENT ALTOGETHER.

>> FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ABOUT TO POUR QUITE A BIT OF MONEY INTO THIS HOME AND TO REVITALIZE IT.

SO, IF THEY WANT A FLAT ROOF, I THINK THE MONEY COULD BE SPENT IN DETAILS OTHER PLACES OTHER THAN DOING A PITCHED AND GOING INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE . I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE MONEY COULD BE USED BETTER SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S WHAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF OR NOT. I DON'T FEEL LIKE -- I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE USED OTHER PLACES.

>> WELL I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT BUT I WOULD SAY THE COST RIGHT NOW , DIFFERENCE IS SPECULATIVE. WE DON'T KNOW THE COST RELATIVE TO THE FLAT VERSUS THE PITCHED. I DON'T KNOW THAT. IT COULD BE MORE. IT COULD BE THE SAME. IT COULD BE LESS. I DON'T WANT TO BRING SPECULATION INTO THAT. IF WE ARE FINE WITH THE FLAT IS A COMMITTEE , THEN LET'S GO THAT DIRECTION IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT THE BEST DIRECTION FOR THEM.

>> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO

PRESENT ONE. >> I MAKE A MOTION. I WENT MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF, AS WELL AS THE CARPORT WITH THE EXCEPTIONS THAT IT HAVE SIMILAR COLUMNS AND SIMILAR PAINT COLOR , AND SIMILAR ROOF MATERIALS LOCATED ON THE HOUSE.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

>> I SECOND ? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? >> WELL, WE'VE GOT TO -- WE GOT A REALLY NEAT PROJECT HERE AND FOR IT TO BE TEETERING ON A CARPORT PASSAGE , I'M AFRAID WE MAY NOT GET THE BULK OF THIS PAST IF WE LINGER ONTO THIS CARPORT THING TOO LONG.

>> YES. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF COLUMNS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TO MATCH THE ONES ON THE HOUSE?

>> CORRECT . >> I ALMOST THOUGHT THAT THESE CARPORTS, THE DO-IT-YOURSELF THAT YOU THROW UP , THE SQUARE COLUMNS . EVEN A BLACK COLOR TO POP IT SO IT LOOKS NEW IN COMPARISON TO THE OLD HOUSE AND OLD CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE BETTER THAN TRYING TO MATCH IT DOING PITCHES AND MATCHING COLUMNS . SO, I THINK -- I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WILL PASS IF WE DO TOO MUCH. WE ALREADY HAVE THE MOTION SO I GUESS WE SEE HOW IT FLOATS OUT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ

THE MOTION FOR US? >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST AS DETACHED WITH THE FOUR COLUMNS TO MATCH THE HOUSE . IT WILL HAVE THE SAME ROOF MATERIAL. IT WILL BE A FLAT ROOF AND THE PAINT COLORS WILL MATCH. MR. YOUNG?

>> BEFORE YOU VOTE, CAN I SUGGEST YOU CHANGE THE WORD MATCH TO COMPATIBLE WITH ? BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC PROPERTY . MATCHING WILL BE NEARLY PROPERTY -- IMPOSSIBLE AND IT PUTS US IN A TRICK POSITION TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MATCHES AND WHAT DOESN'T AND TO WHAT DEGREE? IS APPROVABLE. IF YOU SAY COMPATIBLE WITH, IT GIVES US MORE WIGGLE ROOM TO DO THE RIGHT THING .

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION?

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>> I WILL AMEND THE MOTION. >> I THINK YOU SAID FLAT ROOF WITH SHINGLES . YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.

>> I WOULD PROPOSE THE MOTION IS A FLAT ROOF WITH COMPARABLE MATERIALS ALREADY ON THE HOUSE. THAT WOULD BE EITHER THE MATERIAL, THE METAL THEY INDICATED IS ALREADY ON THE HOUSE , OR IF THEY DECIDED SHINGLES WERE APPROPRIATE. AND COMPATIBLE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO USE -- COMPATIBLE COLUMNS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STUCK TRYING TO USE THE EXACT SAME SIZE OR MATERIAL ?

>> GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY BUT STILL SOME DIRECTION

ON WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. >> WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THAT? WELL, SECOND THE AMENDED

MOTION? >> SECONDED.

>> OKAY. >> MR. YOUNG?

>> YES.

>> AND THE MOTION CARRIES ? >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DO BELIEVE THAT IS OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA SO, IF THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS OTHER THAN TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.