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[CALL TO ORDER]

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. >>> GOOD MORNING.

IT IS NOW 8:30 A.M. I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ABILENE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

I HAVE VERY SPECIAL GUESTS I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE IN A MOMENT, BUT FIRST, I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO PRAY TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION.

>>> ALL MIGHTY AND SOVEREIGN GOD WE GATHER HERE TODAY IN THESE CHAMBERSES ENTRUSTED WITH THE SOLEMN RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNANCE. AS WE STEWARD THE CITY'S WELFARE, WE SEEK YOUR DIVINE WISDOM THAT YOUR -- THAT YOU ALLOW OUR DELIBERATIONS TO BE MARKED BY PRUDENCE, EQUITY AND FORESIGHT.

YOUR WORD IN PROSH VERBS DECLARES TO TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL OF OUR HEART AND LEAN NOT ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY.

GRANT US DISCERNMENT, BEYOND OUR OWN INTELLECT AND OUR DECISIONS JUST AND MOTIVES UNTAINTED BY SELF-INTEREST. LORD, AS WE NAVIGATE THE COMPLEXITIES OF LEADERSHIP REMIND US THAT YOU ARE IN CHARGE.

LET US JUST DO OUR BEST TO SEEK THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE TO SEEK THE GOOD FOR ALL. MAY OUR GOVERNANCE FOSTER FLOURISHING, MAY OUR POLICIES REFLECT RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND OUR DISCOURSES BE SEASONED WITH CONVICTION AND CIVILITY.

INFUSE THIS ASSEMBLY, GOD, TODAY WITH UNITY, AMIDST THE DIVERSITY OF OUR THOUGHTS AND THE TEMPERANCE OF OUR WISDOM.

WE ASK AND WE SEEK THIS IN YOUR HOLY AND PRECIOUS NAME.

AMEN.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> TODAY I HAVE SOME BISETI FIFTH GRADERS.

MASON, RAISE YOUR HAND. AND I HAVE BINIYA AND ALSO MASON'S MOTHER MALLORY IS HERE. THERE SHE IS.

HER MOTHER RENEE. I HAVE MISS GUM AND MISS JONES AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY. WE'RE APPRECIATIVE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGE TODAY.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.

>> DO YOU ALL WANT TO COME UP HERE AND GET A PICTURE? Y'ALL CAN COME UP HERE.

>> WHEN THE PRINCIPAL PHOTO

BOMBS. >>

ABSOLUTELY. >> I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS -- I WAS GOING TO GET --

[PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

>> I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE TODAY, AND WITHIN OUR CITY STAFF WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ILLNESS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FILLING IN.

BLAINE, THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN TODAY.

AND SOME OF OUR DIRECTORS, SO IT'S JUST THAT TIME OF

[CONSENT AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS]

YEAR WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN DO.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE.

I'LL NOW MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM CONSISTING OF ITEMS 2 THROUGH 14.

THESE ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED WITH ONE MOTION AND THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS THE COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

DOES ANYONE ON COUNCIL WISH TO CONSIDER ANY ITEM INDIVIDUALLY? WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

THERE WILL BE NO VOTES OR ANY FORMAL ACTIONS TAKEN ON SUBJECTS PRESENTED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE COMMENT PERIOD WILL ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT IDEAS AND INFORMATION TO CITY OFFICIALS

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AND STACH. COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THE CITY YOU RESIDE IN. THERE WILL BE A THREE- MINUTE LIMIT AND WE WILL START WITH CARDS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> RAYMOND CARIO.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS RAYMOND.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PROPER PLACE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I WAS CITED WITH A CODE VIOLATION OR A ZONING VIOLATION FOR HAVING A FREIGHT CONTAINER IN MY BACKYARD.

I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THE FREIGHT CONTAINERS, BUT MINE IS AN 8 BY 10 AND IT'S NOT A NORMAL SIZE. IT'S TO STORE THINGS THAT MY WIFE AND I DEEM VALUABLE. THEY GAVE US TEN DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION AND, OF COURSE, I'VE BEEN OUT OF STATE AND EVERYTHING.

BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THIS IS THE CORRECT FORUM TO PRESENT THIS OR WHO DO I NEED TO TALK

TO? >> PROBABLY THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TO VISIT WITH THE CODE OFFICER THAT IS HANDLING YOUR CASE.

AND I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE HERE TODAY. ANOTHER PERSON YOU CAN TALK TO IS TIM LITTLEJOHN WHO IS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.

HE OVERSEES OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT. KLAY DOOR IS ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR CODE

ENFORCEMENT. >> I GOT HIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE.

THEY TOLD ME TO ADDRESS IT AT

THE CITY COUNCIL. >> IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE TO THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT IT IS -- YOU CAN'T HAVE A SHIPPING CONTAINER IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE.

AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

>> OKAY.

>> YEAH.

>> SO YOUR COMPLIANCE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE SHIPPING CONTAINER OR TO SEEK A VARIANCE AND I DON'T KNOW BY LAW IF YOU CAN MEET THAT VARIANCE, BUT THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN HELP YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

>> OKAY.

>> I WAS WONDERING IF THIS WAS THE 40 FOOT OR A SMALLER

ONE. >> IT'S ANY.

I HAVEN'T READ THE STATUTE BEFORE YOU COMING UP HERE, SO I'M -- I HAVEN'T READ IT MANY YEARS. IT'S JUST -- IT'S IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD HERE. I THINK IT'S ANY SHIPPING CONTAINER IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

>> OKAY.

>> THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND CLAY DOOR SPECIFICALLY CAN HELP YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

HE DEALS WITH THIS TOPIC ON A DAILY BASIS.

>> OKAY. >> THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

>> ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

>> MARK TEAGUE. YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON 22, THERE WILL BE A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT. YOU CAN SPEAK NOW OR

THEN. >> I'LL

WAIT. >> OKAY.

>> AARON WILEY. WANT TO SPEAK? YEP.

>> GOOD MORNING. FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITIZENS. MY NAME IS ERIN WILEY AND I HAVE BEEN PROUD CITIZEN SINCE 2004. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ORDINANCE YOU'RE CONSIDERING ON NEUTERING ALL DOGS AND CATS ABOVE SIX MONTHS OF AGE. THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT BASED IN THE CURRENT RESEARCH WHICH LOOKS AT THE HEALTH OF INDIVIDUAL ANIMALS. I DID SEND YOU A LENGTHY E- MAIL THAT CITES THE ARTICLES AND JOURNALS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON THIS RESEARCH. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

TODAY I WILL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES WITH THAT. I WELCOME -- I'VE BEEN THE PROUD OWNER OF FOUR GOLDEN RETRIEVERS FOR 16 YEARS, TWO OF WHICH I HAD TO SAY GOODBYE.

THE FIRST THAT I GOT IN 2009, WANT TO BE A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER AND MY FIRST PET, THE VET DID NOTICE FIVE OR SIX MONTHS OF ABLE HE WAS READY TO BE NEUTERED. I WENT AHEAD WITH THAT DUE TO THE COMMON WAY THAT WE LOOK AT THINGS OF NEUTERING DOGS THAT DON'T INTEND TO BE BREAD.

WHEN HE WAS 9 MONTHS OLD I NOTICED HIS GHAITH WAS OFF.

HAD TO GO TO A SPECIALIST IN DALLAS, AND HE HAD LIP DYSPLASIA. WE SPENT ALMOST $11,000 TREATING THAT CONDITION ALONG WITH BAD KNEES AND OTHER JOINT PROBLEMS THAT AROSE.

IN 2013 I GOT MY SECOND GOLDEN RETRIEVER AND UC DAVIS HAD PUBLISHED THEIR GROUNDBREAKING RESEARCH ON EARLY NEW TERRING IN GOLDEN RETRIEVERS AND NOTED THAT EARLY NEUTERING DOUBLES THE RISK OF JOINT ISSUES AND THEY SUFFER THREE TIMES THE RATE OF CANCER IN THEIR LIFETIME WHEN NEUTERED EARLY.

I WISH I HAD KNOWN THAT BEFORE, BUT THANKFULLY FROM THEN ON BREEDERS AND VETS THEN RECOMMENDED NEUTERING AT 2.

AND NOW WE HAVE A 6-MONTH- OLD GOLDEN RETRIEVER SO THE THOUGHT OF HAVING TO NEW TER HIM PUTS ME IN A TOUGH POSITION KNOWING ALL OF THAT RESEARCH.

SO WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT

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RESEARCH, CONSIDER WHAT A POSITION THAT PUTS A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER IN. I AM VERY PROUDLY A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AN WANT TO REMAIN THAT WAY.

HOUB HOWEVER, I'M A LOVING AND RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER AND MY PRIORITY HAS TO BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE HEALTH OF MY PET AND I WOULD LIKE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF STRAY ANIMALS AND SHELTER PETS.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.

BLOOMERS AND BELLY BANDS CAN BE WORN IN PUBLIC FOR INTACT DOGS. MICRO CHIPPING CAN BE DONE IN ORDER TO KEEP OWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN PETS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING A BLANKET BAN OR A BLANKET ORDINANCE ON SPAY AND NEUTERING YOU WOULD CONSIDER THERE IS A HIGHLY -- REALLY HIGHLY RESPECTED STUDY THAT GIVES YOU THE CHART THAT SAYS THESE ARE THE ANIMALS THAT SHOULD NOT BE NEUTERED AT ALL OR A GUIDELINE ON WHEN THEY SHOULD BE AND THAT YOU WILL USE THAT TO MAYBE MAKE DECISIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS BE A BLANKET ORDINANCE, THAT THERE BE FLEXIBILITY AND MORE THOUGHT PUT INTO HOW YOU WANT TO LAY THAT ORDINANCE OUT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> NEXT IS DOUG WILLIAMSON YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON 16, A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. REBECCA ELDREDGE ON NUMBER 19.

THAT WILL BE A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK THEN? CYNTHIA, CAN'T READ THE LAST NAME. SPAY AND

NEUTER ORDINANCE. >> KNOX.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> I ALSO AM HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE SIX MONTH SPAY AND NEUTER THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.

THE PRIMARY REASON IS THAT FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS I HAVE DEVOTED MY LIFE TO MY DOGS.

I SHOW DOGS. I COMPETE WITH MY DOGS IN OWE BEDEENCE, RALLY, CONFIRMATION, ALL THOSE THINGS.

YOU MAY NOT DO ANY CONFIRMATION EVENT IF YOUR DOG IS SPAYED OR NEUTERED.

SO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS IS THAT YOU'RE AFFECTING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE A HOBBY THAT THEY TRULY ENJOY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THAT HOBBY. EITHER THAT OR WE'RE MOVING AWAY. ONE OR THE OTHER.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPAY OR NEW TER MY DOGS FOR YOU AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT MAKES ME THEN AN UNLAWFUL -- NOT A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. IT'S DIFFICULT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A SECTION IN THERE THAT ADDRESSES THE FANCY SPECIFICALLY SO THE DOG SHOWING WORLD.

WE HAVE A DOG SHOW HERE EVERY YEAR IN MAY.

STATISTICS HAVE SHOWN -- AND I HAVE SOME INFORMATION, SOME SHEETS, I DON'T KNOW WHO I WOULD GIVE THIS TO -- AN AVERAGE DOG SHOW, WHICH IS ABOUT A THOUSAND TO 1500 DOGS, BRINGS IN ABOUT $2 MILLION TO THE HOSTING AREA. THAT'S A THREE- DAY SHOW.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE EVERY MAY.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HURT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT ORGANIZATION AS WELL. THIS YEAR WE'VE ADDED TWO MORE DAYS IN APRIL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME OBEDIENCE EVENTS, FAST CAT, RUNNING DOGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THINGS TO HELP -- ALREADY HELP THE CITY OF ABILENE. WE DONATED OVER $20,000 AND A TRAILER THAT IS TO BE -- THAT BEEN GIVEN TO THE CITY TO HELP IN EVENTS OF FIRES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S BUCKETS, BOWLS, CRATES, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF 65 DOGS IN THE TRAILER.

WE WANT TO GIVE BACK, BUT WE NEED YOU TO HELP US TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR SPORT AND ENJOY IT.

THERE ARE OVER 22,000 EVENTS, DOG EVENTS, BY AKC, AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S A WEALTH OF INFORMATION RIGHT THERE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE SPORT OF PURE BRED DOGS OR WHY SPAYING AND NEUTERING AT THAT YOUNG AGE IS A PROBLEM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE KEVIN PHILLIPS ON WHAT I BELIEVE IS 19.

THAT WILL BE A REGULAR AGENDA

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ITEM. NEXT IS CHRISTOPHER SMITH.

>> YES. ECONOMIST CHRISTOPHER SMITH. I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN OF ABILENE SINCE 2002. I WANT TO SPEAK IN PARTIAL SUPPORT AND PARTIAL OPPOSITION TO NUMBER 11. TO THE EXTENT THIS ORDINANCE BRINGS US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AND TO THE EXTENT IT REQUIRES PERMISSION OF PROPERTY OWNERS FOR ANIMAL SALES I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. AS FAR AS RENAMING THE ANIMAL CONTROL DEPARTMENT TO ANIMAL OUTREACH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS MERELY OBFUSCATING WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS FOR.

IT WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, AND MAY, IN FACT, POINTLESSLY INCUR EXPENSE FROM THE CITY FOR RESIGNING ITS ANIMAL CONTROL.

REGARDING THE SPAY AND NEUTER, I APPRECIATE THE PERSPECTIVES THAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE MENTIONED, AND I WANTED TO BRING A SIMILAR, BUT RELATED POINT TO YOU THAT WITH ALL APOLOGIES TO BOB BARKER, THE PROBLEM WITH SPAY AND NEUTERING ALL FAMILY PETS, THAT SORT OF THING, ESPECIALLY AT A YOUNG AGE, IS THAT WE HAVE AN ADVERSE SELECTION PROBLEM. THE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS, SUCH AS THE ONES WHO ALREADY SPOKE, ARE THE ONES WHO WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE SPAY AND NEUTER ORDINANCE.

THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ARE THE PET OWNERS WHO ARE ALREADY LETTING THEIR PETS GO STRAY, WHO ARE ALREADY NOT PROPERLY TRAINING THE PETS AND IN MANY CASES ARE PICKING OUT MORE AGGRESSIVE AND MORE PROBLEMATIC BREEDS. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT SHELTERS RECENTLY HAVE HAD A PREPONDERANCE OF BREEDS PEOPLE ARE NOT WANTING TO ADOPT IS THAT THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEING BRED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE PET OWNERS WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE BEING MORE RESPONSIBLE ARE SPAYING AND NEUTERING.

SIMILAR TO THE WATER FLUORIDATION THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS RECENTLY REPEALED, IT'S AN IDEA THAT HAS PLAUSIBILITY. IT'S WELL INTENTIONED.

IT HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE -- OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS THAT THE POLICY WOULD HAVE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT MICHAEL SUBTLE. THAT WILL BE NUMBER 19.

I CAN'T READ THE LAST NAME ON YELLOWSTONE TRAIL ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.

ANY MEMBER COULD ANSWER ME, BUT I'M DIRECTING THIS INSIGHT TO THE MAYOR.

REB REGAN AND MEMBER CRAVER. I'VE BEEN -- FOR QUITE A WHILE, OVER 20 YEARS AND NOW I'M TEACHING AND I JUST WANTED YOUR INSIGHT ON THE CONTINUOUS NURSING SHORTAGE WHAT CITY CAN HELP US IN. IT'S BLEEDING INTO THE FACULTY TOO. THAT SHORTAGE.

SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOLS HERE IN THIS CITY, TECHNICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, AND WE DON'T SEEM TO -- WE STILL HAVE THAT AS A CRISIS.

I JUST NEEDED YOUR INSIGHT ON THAT.

>> YES, MA'AM. THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM ABOUT NURSING. I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY OF ABILENE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HENDRICKS HOSPITAL, MCMURRAY, SIMMONS, ANYONE TO HELP WITH THIS DEFICIENCY OF NURSING.

I CAN'T TALK DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT.

IS IT LIKE IN YOUR STRATEGIC

PLANNING? >> I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM BECAUSE IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

>> OKAY. OKAY. OKAY.

>> I APOLOGIZE. IT'S ALL RIGHT.

AT LEAST YOU'VE GIVEN ME THE OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW I HAD E- MAILED YOU PRIVATELY.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE. I'M GLAD YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE PARTNERS ALL OVER THE CITY.

YOU ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE SCHOOLS FOR TECHNICAL AND

PROFESSIONAL. >> IF YOU WOULD E- MAIL ME BACK INDIVIDUALLY AGAIN I WILL

RESPOND. >> I WILL DO THAT.

I'LL DO THAT. I'LL E- MAIL MEMBER CRAVER AND

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MEMBER REAGAN E- MAIL YOU TOO BECAUSE YOU GUYS, WE JUST FEEL THAT YOU'RE DOING ALL YOU CAN, BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO CUT THE SHORTAGE AND IT'S SEEPING INTO THE FACULTY AND MY CONCERNS ARE ALSO THE AGING COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GETTING THERE AND WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

>> JUST REACH OUT INDIVIDUALLY.

>> I WILL. I WILL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE LAST CARD I HAVE THERE'S NO NAME ON. AN ADDRESS ON BRENTWOOD. ITEM 15.

OKAY. YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP ON REGULAR AGENDA?

>> I WANT TO SPEAK

. >> MY NAME IS SAMUEL GARCIA. I WANT TO SPEAK TO TWO THINGS.

THE SPAY AND NEUTERING THING, THE QUESTION I HAD ON THAT IS AS PET OWNERS WE HAVE TO BOARD OUR DOGS, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE SHOTS BEFORE THEY TAKE THEM.

WHEN WE TRAVEL, WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THEM TO TAKE CARE OF OUR DOGS.

ARE THEY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OUR DOGS? IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THEIR SHOTS UP THEY CAN'T COME HERE.

SO WE MAKE SURE THEIR SHOTS ARE KEPT UP SO WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR BORDER TAKES THEM. NOW, IF THEY'RE NOT SPAYED OR NEUTERED DOES THAT MEAN WE WON'T BE ABLE TO -- THEY WILL REQUIRE THAT NOW? AS A BUSINESS THEY WILL NOT WANT THOSE DOGS IF IT'S AGAINST A CODE VIOLATION. SO THAT PART OF IT I WASN'T SURE ABOUT AND WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT OUT. THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION IS, IF I'M MISTAKEN, I THINK IT'S A AGENDA ITEM THE $20 MILLION BOND ITEM FOR THE MAY 3RD ELECTION THAT Y'ALL ARE PUTTING ON THERE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AIRPORT. I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE AND ASK THE CITIZENS TO VOTE TO PUT UP MONEY AND THEN LATER ON DOWN ON THE AGENDA ITEM YOU'RE GOING TO ABATE ABOUT THAT MUCH MONEY EVERY YEAR, SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING US TO VOTE TO APPROVE ANOTHER $20 MILLION TO WORK ON THE AIRPORT AND THEN TURN AROUND AND ABATE AS MUCH AS -- ABOUT $20 MILLION TO A FACILITY ONE YEAR OF THAT APPARENTLY OF THAT ABATEMENT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT BOND ELECTION, THE $20 MILLION YOU NEED? THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME THAT YOU WOULD ASK US TO DO THAT.

IF THAT THING PASSES, WELL, WE -- I'M SITTING THERE GOING, WE -- YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE THAT, YOU ANNEXTED THAT PROPERTY LAST YEAR.

NOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES. PART OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE IS AIRPORT. KEEPING THE AIRPORT AVAILABLE, RIGHT? WATER, FIRE, EVERYTHING.

FOR THIS FACILITY. AND, YET, WE'RE GOING TO ABATE THEM AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT THE THING, JUST ABOUT DONE, AND GOING TO ATE THEM AND ASK US TO PAY $20 MILLION, VOTE TO PAY ANOTHER $20 MILLION FOR THE AIRPORT. IF THAT THING FAILS AND DOESN'T PASS, THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY? BECAUSE YOU JUST ABATED $20 MILLION TO THAT FACILITY THAT COULD -- AND WHY WAS IT THAT THEY BECAME A PART OF THE CITY? WAS TO GET THE SERVICES.

PART OF THE SERVICES IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD AIRPORT.

DOES THAT NOT -- I MEAN, THE LOGIC IS CRAZY.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

SO I -- YOU'RE PUTTING THAT ON THE BOND.

WE HAVE THE VOTE. BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE.

>> WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS TIME?

>> TAMMY FOGLE. I HAD A COUPLE THINGS TO ADDRESS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE BOND WHICH I'M REALLY THANKFUL YOU'RE AT LEAST TAKING IT TO THE VOTERS.

GREAT MOVE. I JUST WANT TO -- THERE IS A FASCINATING DOCUMENT THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM ALL, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE INTERESTS IT WILL COST THE CITY FOR THIS $20 MILLION BOND WHICH IS $11 MILLION AND THEN IT LISTS THE TOTAL DEBT THAT WILL INCREASE AND ALSO THE TOTAL PRINCIPLE AND THEN PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST.

I WISH THIS WAS DONE FOR EVERY C.O.

NOT BECAUSE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IS WRONG, BUT IT'S INFORMATIVE TO KEEP US AWARE. THIS IS A GREAT DOCUMENT.

THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT IN, BUT I ASK FOR MORE OF THIS. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO

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ADDRESS WAS ALSO NUMBER 11 WITH THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE.

SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS. I THINK FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE REASONING BEHIND WHY THIS HAS BEEN A CHANGE IS FOR GOOD PURPOSES.

THERE IS AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF ANIMALS BEING REPRODUCING THAT IS NOT HELPFUL FOR OUR CITY AS WE'RE SEEING IN OUR ADOPTION CENTER. THE PROBLEM WITH THESE FAR AND OVERREACHING LAWS IT DOESN'T REACH THE TARGET AUDIENCE LIKE MENTIONED THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WILL FOLLOW THIS BUT THE ONES WHO ARE NOT PROTECTING THE CITY FROM AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF ANIMALS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.

I THINK A PROACTIVE APPROACH WHERE PEOPLE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT DOWN A DEPOSIT ONCE THEY PROVE THEY'VE SPAYED AND NEUTERED RATHER THAN PUNISHING THE WHOLE CITY RATHER THAN GETTING A SMALL GROUP TO FOLLOW THE LAW. I THINK IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE. YOU HAVE BREEDERS AND NONBREEDERS. SOME PEOPLE LIKE WAS MENTIONED THEY DON'T WANT TO SPAY OR NEW TER THEIR PET AND I DON'T THINK HAVING EVERYBODY HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING IS HELPFUL AND THEN ENFORCEMENT, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO HIGHER NEW PEOPLE? WILL ADOPTION CENTERS HAVE TO HIGHER NEW PEOPLE? WHEN YOU HAVE BIG -- OVERREACHING LAWS AND LAWS THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF ENFORCEMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENFORCERS.

I THINK THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE AS A CITY NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW.

I'M THANKFUL THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO BACK AND AMEND IT.

IF YOU'VE GOTTEN FIVE PEOPLE SAYING WE'RE AGAINST HOW IT IS WRITTEN, THAT'S A PREPONDERANCE OF PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE MAJORITY YET BUT THAT'S A GOOD INDICATION THIS IS A GOOD START BUT NOT QUITE THE FINAL PRODUCT THAT WE NEED AND SO LASTLY I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT ON NUMBER 12, I WAS READING THE AGENDA MEMO IT SAID THAT THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE DONATING FOR THE PARK IS GREAT.

IT WAS PURCHASED ON OCTOBER 7TH. BUT IT HAS NO FINANCIAL IMPACT WHICH AGENDA I THINK THAT'S A SMALL NUANCE.

IT HAS FINANCIAL IMPACT. THE CITY PURCHASED IT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE IT NOW RENAMING IT.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER WE PURCHASED IT FOR, BUT I THINK WE, AGAIN, REPEATING THE PURCHASE PRICE BECAUSE WE DID PAY FOR IT WOULD BE AWESOME. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT Y'ALL DO. APPRECIATE IT.

>> STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JACK, AND I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL IN ABILENE, TEXAS. I AM SPEAKING ON AGENDA NUMBER 16 HAVING TO DO WITH PO 1 CYPRESS FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR FULL DISCLOSURE I REPRESENT THE SELLER OF THE BUILDING 301 CYPRESS, HENDRICK MEDICAL CENTER, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE I'M NOT HERE AT THEIR REQUEST OR DIRECTION. I AM SPEAKING TODAY AS A CITIZEN OF ABILENE AS WELL AND SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT AND AN ACTIVE ROLE IN PROCURING AND NEGOTIATING THE SALE OF 301 CYPRESS TO THE OVERLAND PROPERTY GROUP. AS A CLOSE NEIGHBOR TO DOWNTOWN, I LIVE SIX MINUTES AWAY AND HAVE AN OFFICE HERE, SO I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY CENTER AND ITS DEVELOPMENT.

I'LL TRY TO KEEP MY COMMENT BRIEF AND FOCUS ON THREE KEY POINTS. MY HOPE IS THAT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO THE CURRENT REAL ESTATE MARKET AND UNDERSCORE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I DO ACKNOWLEDGE MY OWN INTEREST THAT CLOSING THIS DEAL SOONER MEANS I GET PAID SOONER, SO I'LL ADMIT THAT.

CURRENTLY I HAVE SEVEN PROPERTIES LISTED FOR SALE IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN, FOUR OF WHICH ARE ON CYPRESS OR WITHIN A HALF BLOCK, SO THIS MEANS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO MY FAIR SHARE OF POTENTIAL BUYERS, BOTH LOCAL AND OUTSIDE OF ABILENE.

AND MY FIRST POINT THAT OVERLAND PROPERTY GROUP IS THE MOST EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER FOR MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IN DOWNTOWN ABILENE RIGHT NOW. THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE FEW LARGE OFFICE USERS IN OUR MARKET, AND EVEN FEWER INVESTORS LOOKING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES HERE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT HALF -- $1.

5 TRILLION OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEBT IS COMING DUE THIS YEAR IN THE COUNTRY SET TO MATURE, AND SO A TON OF OFFICE BUILDINGS ACROSS OUR MAJOR CITIES, DALLAS, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO ARE COMING AVAILABLE. AN EXAMPLE IS IN MIDLAND, THE TOP SIX OFFICE BUILDINGS RECENTLY GOT RECALLED BY THE BANKS AND THE BANKS ARE HOLDING ON TO THAT RIGHT NOW. THE OFFICE MARKET HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE COVID-19. MY POINT BEING GOING TO BE HARD IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED AND A STRONG PROJECT LIKE THIS FROM OVERLAND DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR THE BUILDING 301 TO SIT ON THE MARKET ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO WAITING FOR A STRONG BUYER TO PURCHASE IT. YOUR $10 MILLION INVESTMENT ON

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CYPRESS NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED WITH ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ANOTHER $10 MILLION PROJECT FROM OVERLAND PROPERTY TO MULTIFAMILY WILL BE THE CATALYST NEEDED. POINT NUMBER TWO IS THAT, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT WILL -- FURTHER INVESTMENT AND ECONOMIC GROWTH WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THEN FINALLY, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND THE LOCAL ECONOMY ALL AROUND IT, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION MY SUPPORT FOR THIS AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT HERE SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 11, WHICH A LOT OF Y'ALL HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING.

SO -- AND I APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS IS WHERE YOU START THE PROCESS THAT GIVES US TWO WEEKS TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO IT.

WHAT WE DO TODAY THIS IS NOT THE FINAL.

TODAY IS NOT THE FINAL VOTE ON THIS.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN TWO

WEEKS. >> I WOULD BE

A MOTION. >> CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 2 THROUGH 14. A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

MCALISTER. >>

SECOND. >> SECOND FROM COUNCIL MAN CRAVER. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. JOHN, WOULD YOU NOT MY

[15. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on the Creation of a Second Reinvestment Zone No. RZ21-1 Being Approximately 940.89 Acres (Robert Hanna)]

ABSTENTION ON NUMBER FOUR,

PLEASE. >> ALL YES, MOTION

CARRIES. >> ITEM 15, ROBERT HANNA, CITY MANAGER TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS A CONTINUATION OF A SECOND AND FINAL READING OF A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING WHERE WE HAD THE FIRST READING.

DATE OF PASSAGE OF THIS READING WOULD BE ON A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. THIS REINVESTMENT ZONE WE'RE CREATING A NEW REINVESTMENT ZONE THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE TERRITORY OR PROPERTY THAT IS PURCHASED SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXTEND THE TAX ABATEMENT INTO THOSE AREAS THEY HAVE PURCHASED AT THE END OF THIS MEETING AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. SINCE WE ORIGINALLY CREATED THE REINVESTMENT ZONE A COUPLE YEARS BACK, LANCING HAS PURCHASED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY AND WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT INTO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE TAX ABATEMENT PROCESS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IN REGULAR SESSION AT THE END OF THIS MEETING. BUT BEFORE WE CREATE -- IN ORDER TO CREATE AN ABATEMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REINVESTMENT ZONE. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND AND FINAL READING TO DO THAT. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH LANGUAGEAGE CONCEPTS WE ADOPTED IN THE FIRST. IT EXPANDS THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE REINVESTMENT ZONE. HAS WORKED WITH HIS LEGAL TEAM ALSO LANCING'S LEGAL TEAM. STANLEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD, BUT IT'S PRETTY RELATIVELY ROUTINE PROCESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY TO DO

THIS. >> I AGREE WITH THE THINGS.

>> THANK YOU. SO FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT A REINVESTMENT ZONE IS, IT IS REINVESTING OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE. IT IS A REINVESTMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT ZONE, CORRECT?

>> SO NO. THIS IS

DIFFERENT. >> THIS IS GOING TO BE

DIFFERENT. >> THERE'S A -- THIS IS THE JOY OF GOVERNMENT IS THAT WE CALL THE DUCK AND BLUE JAY AND BOTH CALLED BIRDS. THERE'S A DUCK AND BLUE JAY.

THIS IS A REINVESTMENT ZONE BUT NOT A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. THIS IS FOR A TAX ABATEMENT. IN ORDER TO ISSUE A TAX ABATEMENT THE CITY HAS TO FIND IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR A REINVESTMENT ZONE. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR CREATION PROCESS AND IT'S EASY TO GET CONFUSED.

THIS IS NOT A TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE.

THE REVENUE CAN BE SPENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE THEY CHOOSE TO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, UNLIKE A TAX INCREMENT ZONE IT MUST BE SPENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT

DISTRICT. >> WHICH CAN ONLY BE SPENT THERE, THIS REINVESTMENT ZONE CAN BENEFIT EVERYONE.

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>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?

>> ROBERT, TO CLARIFY AND IF THIS IS BETTER ANSWERED ON -- LET ME LOOK AT THE NUMBERS 22, YOU CAN SAY THAT.

BUT JUST TO ADDRESS I THINK IT WAS MR. GARCIA THAT HAD THAT QUESTION, THIS ITEM AND POTENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD HANDLE ON ITEM NUMBER 22 IS TO INCENTIVIZE AN EXPANSION. THIS IS NOT ADDRESSING OR GOING BACK TO LANCING'S PROJECT THEY'VE BUILT AND THEN AFTER THE FACT GIVING THEM A TAX BREAK.

THIS, WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING TODAY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO BUILD PHASE TWO THAT THEY HAVE NOT BUILT CURRENTLY AND THAT THEY ARE NOT OB PLY GAITED TO BUILD CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.

WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO BUILD MORE REVENUE AND JOBS CREATE GOOD.

>> A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT LANCING IS LOOKING TO BRING TO ABILENE, TEXAS, AS PART OF THEIR CAMPUS. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> ANY FURTSZ QUESTIONS?

>> AT THIS TIME I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 15 COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> I HAVE ONE CARD. SAMMY GARCIA.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SO THIS IS A TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING. I'M THE FIRST PERSON THAT WILL ADMIT SOMETHING. THIS REINVESTMENT ZONE YOU'RE DOING, IS NOT APPLYING TO THE CURRENT FACILITY SO YOU CAN DO A TAX ABATEMENT ON THE FACILITY THEY FINISHED? IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO THEN I'M -- THEN I'LL PUBLICLY SAY I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. OKAY.

SO THE 85% TAX ABATEMENT YOU'LL ADDRESS IN NUMBER 22 APPLIES TO AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY.

SO RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FULL TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, ON THE FACILITY THAT THEY JUST

FINISHED. >> NO, SIR.

LET ME CLARIFY.

>> THAT FACILITY CURRENTLY HAS A TAX ABATEMENT ON IT AND IT'S AN 85% ABATEMENT.

THIS WOULD ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES INTO THAT AREA THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS REINVESTMENT ZONE THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN 85% ABATEMENT.

>> I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME FACT THAT WE ARE ABATING AND WE MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS 15% THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO KEEP.

WELL WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE SERVICE BECAUSE I KEEP THINKING WHAT IF ONE CATCHES ON FIRE.

WHO IS GOING TO -- DO WE HAVE THE FIRE CAPACITY TO PUT IT OUT? THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THE ROADS. THE WATER.

ALL THAT STUFF HAPPENS, RIGHT. SO THE 15% QUESTION SPLIT WITH THE COUNTY. WE DON'T GET ALL THAT.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT?

I ASKED -- >> NO.

>> OKAY. I --

>> WE GET 15% AND THEY GET THEIR CUT AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

>> SEPARATE PIES.

>> 70 TO 80 MILLION. Y'ALL DID NOT MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THE 70 TO 80 MILLION YOU'RE LOOKING TO ACCUMULATE OVER THE

NEXT 20 YEARS. >> THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ABILENE, BECAUSE OF TAYLOR COUNTY AND ABILENE COMBINED, BENEFIT. THE CITY OF ABILENE'S PORTION IS 15% WHICH IS 30 TO 35 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS.

>> THAT WASN'T CLEAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I MISUNDERSTOOD. I E- MAILED YOU AND YOU REPLIED. I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO BE YOU'RE SPLITTING THAT. MY FAULT.

I STILL OPPOSE IT AND THINK WE HAVE TO PAY FOR SERVICES AND YOU'RE DOING THIS REINVESTMENT ZONE AND I STILL THINK THAT ANY BUSINESS MODEL -- BECAUSE ROBERT HANNA BASICALLY SAID, THEY CANNOT OPERATE MUCH LESS MAKE A PROFIT WITHOUT THIS TAX ABATEMENT. WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS MODEL GOES INTO IT NOT -- KNOWING THEY CAN'T WITHOUT A TAX ABATEMENT. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

PLUS, I JUST DON'T SEE US PROVIDING ALL THESE SERVICES WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GETTING OVER THAT LONG TERM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU M GARCIA. ROBERT.

TO ADDRESS THAT POINT. I THINK IT'S BEEN RAISED BEFORE. ABOUT WATER OR SERVICES.

THAT FACILITY OUT THERE WOULD STILL PAY THE CITY FOR THEIR USE IN WATER.

THIS IS NOT GIVING THEM WATER OR SERVICES FOR FREE.

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IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY. SO THE CITY WOULD STILL BE MAKING MONEY, REVENUE, OFF OF THEM PAYING FOR WATER AND SERVICES?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15? SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? IF NOT A MOTION AND

SECOND >> LIKE TO CLARIFY.

IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT LANCING WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF INTERESTED CITIES WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO OFFER AN ABATEMENT IF WE CHOSE NOT

TO. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OUR CHOICE IS NOT -- WE'RE NOT GIVING UP SOMETHING. WE'RE RETAINING 15% OF THE TAX, BUT IF WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT, WE WOULD GET NOTHING? IT'S A FIELD FULL OF MESQUITE TREES.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE CHOICE IS NOT REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTED TAX OR EXPECTED VALUE IS BECAUSE THE PROMPT IS NOT COMPLETE, BUT SAY IT'S $4 MILLION A YEAR FOR 15% OR $12 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE FULL AMOUNT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD GET AFTER IT'S BUILT, THE 10- YEAR ABATEMENT IS COMPLETE. THE CHOICE IS NOT BETWEEN $12 MILLION OR $4 MILLION.

IT'S BETWEEN $4 MILLION OR ZERO.

THEY WILL GO BUILD THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO ABATE THE TAXES.

>> ES, SIR.

>> THIS IS -- THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION THAT THE CITY IS MAKING. I KNOW MR. GARCIA HAS BEEN IN CAR INSURANCE SALES FOR A LONG TIME. EVERYONE NEEDS CAR INSURANCE.

EVERYONE HAS TO BUY CAR INSURANCE.

YET, INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL OFFER DISCOUNT AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO INDIVIDUALS TO ENTICE THEM TO BRING THEIR BUSINESS TO THEM.

EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T NEED TO. EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE CAR INSURANCE. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE OFFERING AN ENTICEMENT TO LANCING TO BRING THEIR BUSINESS HERE.

IT IS A BUSINESS DECISION THAT WE ARE MAKING AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS DECISION TO MAKE BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT TO ENTICE INDIVIDUALS TO COME YOUR WAY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION BUT UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO JUMP IN.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT BEFORE LANCING WAS HERE, THAT WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE COUNTY, THAT WAS GENERATING MINIMAL TAX REVENUE LIKE ANY OTHER AGRICULTURAL SPACE WOULD.

THEY VOLUNTARILY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

THAT PROPERTY IS NOW GOING TO GENERATE $4 MILLION A YEAR, BETWEEN 3. 5 TO $4 MILLION TO THE CITY WITH IS SIMILAR AMOUNT GOING TO THE COUNTY, RIGHT.

AND SO THAT MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE I THINK IN ANYBODY'S BOOK. IN ADDITION TO THE JOBS CREATED, SALES TAX REVENUE INCREASES AND ANCILLARY BENEFITS FROM A FACILITY OF THAT SIZE. I'LL SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY KOUNGSMAN BY MCALISTER.

IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[16. Resolution (Motion to Reconsider): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving a Resolution of Support for OPG Cypress Partners LLC Supporting their Proposed Project on 301 Cypress St. (Tim Littlejohn)]

VOTE. >> ALL YESES.

MOTION CARRIES. >>> MOVE TO ITEM 16 AND ASK FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY --

>> SO MOVED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL YESES.

MOTION CARRIES. >> I'LL ASK VAN WATSON.

>> IT IS VAN WATSON.

>> VAN WATSON STANDING IN FOR TIM LITTLEJOHN.

WE'RE NOT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BEFORE YOU GET GOING, ONE, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE VAN FOR BEING APPOINTED TO THE CITY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. HE WAS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND HE'S DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB AND WORKS HARD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE YOU IN YOUR RECENT PROMOTION. AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, WE ARE RECONSIDERING THIS BECAUSE OF ME. I MADE A MISTAKE TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, I ASSUMED THAT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER WAS READY FOR THIS. THEY WERE NOT.

SO I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND IN THE FIRST TIME MAYBE IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, GOVERNMENT MOVED FASTER THAN THE PRIVATE

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SECTOR. SO I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S WILLINGNESS TO RECONSIDER THIS AND HIS REQUEST TO RECONSIDER THIS AND APP GAZE TO THE APPLICANT THAT I MOVED FASTER THAN PEOPLE WERE READY FOR.

IT'S MY MISTAKE.

>> VAN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR 301 CYPRESS. RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT 301 CYPRESS, CYPRESS PARTNERS LLC MAKING THE APPLICATION FOR THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, POSSIBLY THE MULTIFAMILY DIRECT LOAN PROGRAM, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR LAND MARK ON CYPRESS 301 CYPRESS STREET.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF A EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT WILL BE AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF 49 UNITS OF WHICH 37 UNITS WILL BE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS AT OR AVERAGING 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR ABOVE. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS?

>> HOW LONG WOULD IT BE IN PLACE, THIS CREDIT AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT REQUIREMENT THAT IT REMAIN THIS TYPE OF HOUSING? IS THIS FOR AS LONG AS THE LOAN EXISTS? IS THIS FOR A SET PERIOD OF 10 OR 20 YEARS? I ASSUME THIS IS A STATE REGULATION.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, MR. REGAN, THE -- TIM IS THE BLUE JAY, AND I AM THE DUCK.

>> WELL SAID. >> NO ONE YOU GOT PROMOTED.

>> WE DO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT.

IT WAS TIED TO THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S A LONGER TIME.

>> COULD YOU REPEAT THE PERCENTAGE? THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THESE UNITS THAT HAVE INCOME GUIDELINES ON THEM BUT THERE'S A PERCENTAGE THAT ARE REGULAR RETAIL UNITS, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THEY WILL ADDRESS THAT HOW MANY UNITS AND CERTAIN LEVELS OF INCOME.

>> AND THEN ALSO, EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE THIS IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY, CORRECT? THE CITY GIVING ITS SUPPORT FOR THEIR NEXT STEP?

>> KIND OF CORRECT. BY RIGHT, IT IS ZONED FOR THIS USE.

>> ALREADY? >> YES, SIR.

>> IF THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR THESE CREDITS THEY COULD BUILD WHAT THEY'RE -- THEY COULD BUILD THAT TOMORROW?

>> CORRECT. >> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

>> YOU MAY NOT KNOW, BUT I THINK WE GOT A LETTER ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS NEARBY, I THINK THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN SAY THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS OF THIS PROPOSAL THAT THERE WERE OTHER APPLICANTS FOR SIMILAR TYPE OF HUD OR HOUSING. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT ON THE CITY SIDE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEFORE YOU GUYS?

>> I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. BUT THIS COMPANY DID A PROJECT AT 1101 SOUTH NINTH AND TOOK TWO OLD SCHOOL HOUSES AND REUSED THOSE FOR LIVING QUARTERS AND BUILT THE FACILITY ON THAT SAME PROPERTY. WENT THROUGH OUR PROCESS.

THEY'RE EASY TO WORK WITH. THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

AND BOTH OF THEM ARE ALL -- ALL THREE BUILDINGS NOW HAVE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPIES.

>> CAN YOU ADDRESS.

>> I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON YOUR FIRST QUESTION AND I'LL HIT THE HUD COMMENT TOO.

>> THERE ARE TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET APPLICATIONS FOR LETTERS OF SUPPORT WE GET MORE THAN ONE, AND I'M AWARE OF AT LEAST ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL. I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE'S MORE THAN THAT. I JUST KNOW OF ANOTHER ONE.

AND SO IN THE PAST, IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE PROJECT THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

YOU'RE NOT LOCKED IN. IT DOES PROVIDE POINTS WHEN THEY SEEK THESE TAX CREDITS AN THE SUPPORT OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS AN IMPORTANTLY PART OF BEING ABLE TO BE COMPETITIVE IF COUNCIL DOESN'T CHOOSE TO SUPPORT THE LETTER OF SUPPORT, TYPICALLY IT WON'T APPLY BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE PROJECTS ACROSS THE REST OF THE STATE.

THIS IS A -- I WANT TO CORRECT THE CONCEPT THIS IS -- OF

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HUD HOUSING BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE A CONNOTATION WITH THAT. THESE ARE SECTION 42 TAX CREDIT AND SO THIS TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, I WANT TO SAY, WAS STARTED DURING THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION IN WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES INCOME TAX CREDITS FOR PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT'S NOT A SECTION 8 PROJECT OR ABILENE HOUSING AUTHORITY PROJECT. WHEN YOU THINK OF HUD, HUD MAY BE AD MINISTERING THE FUND BECAUSE THAT'S THE INSTITUTE THAT DOES THIS, BUT IT IS NOT -- THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO DIFFERENTIATE FULL MARKET RATE PRODUCT. WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE AROUND THE COMMUNITY TODAY THAT MOST CITIZENS PROBABLY THINK ARE JUSTJUST APARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE ALL MARKET RATE PRODUCT, NOT NECESSARILY BUILT FOR SENIORS, NOT NECESSARILY BUILT FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILY MEMBERS. IT CAN CREATE A GOOD PRODUCT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS TO VAN'S POINT REALLY WHAT'S BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY IS NOT -- IS JUST AN ENDORSEMENT OF A LETTER OF SUPPORT. BECAUSE THEY CAN DO THE PROJECT BY RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ZONING.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS JUST A SUPPORTING THEM ABLE TO GET THE TAX CREDITS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> ALL THIS IS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE OR -- FOR OR AGAINST 16, COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND JUST -- GO

AHEAD. >> HI.

MY NAME IS APRIL I'M WITH PROPERTY GROUP THE DEVELOPMENT FIRM PURSUING THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I ASSUME THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PRESENTATION AFTER THIS?

>> THE SLIDES YOU PROVIDE READY HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO

THROUGH THEM. >> SURE.

I CAN BE QUICK.

>> THEY'RE IN THE PACKET.

>> OKAY.

>> IT'S TOO BAD. THERE ARE A LOT OF

COOL PHOTOS. >> WE DID SEE THEM AND ABLEABLE REVIEW THEM. I'M SORRY THEY'RE NOT HERE. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION. I USUALLY LIKE TO BE HERE -- ALWAYS LIKE TO BE HERE TO PRESENT AND TALK TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WHEN I AM REQUESTING A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. LIKE MR. HANNA NOTED, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT ONLY ALLOWS US TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP. IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO BE COMPETITIVE. IT IS NOT SAYING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THIS FUNDING. IT IS LETTING US MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP AND CONTINUE TO COMPETE.

SO LIKE EVERYONE HAS NOTED WE'RE LOOKING AT 301 CYPRESS STREET. THIS BUILDING IS VERY EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRM HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 2002. WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN ABILENE SINCE 2016.

IN TEXAS SINCE 2011. WE HAVE OVER 76 DEVELOPMENTS.

MOST OF WHICH ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IN 2015, WE GOT INVOLVED WITH HISSER TO INRENOVATIONS WHICH ARE GOAL BECAUSE THIS ULTIMATE FORM OF RECYCLING, TAKING A HISTORIC BUILDING SITTING VACANT NOT BEING USED OFTEN IN A PRIME LOCATION, MOST ARE IN DOWNTOWNS AND YOU ARE GETTING THEM RENOVATED IN ADHERENCE TO NATIONAL PARK SERVICES HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS AND GETTING THAT BUILDING LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

OFTENTIMES THEY END UP BEING A REAL SHOWPIECE FOR THE CITY AND A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION IN THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY ABILENE WHERE YOU HAVE THIS COOL DOT REVITALIZATION GOING ON WITH YOUR COOL ARCHITECTURE, A LOT BY DAVID S. CAST WHOLE DID PO 1 CYPRESS AND PROVIDING HOUSING. DOWNTOWN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE RESTAURANTS OR THE BARS. YOU HAVE THE FOLKS THAT WORK AT THE PARAMOUNT, THAT WORK AT THE HOSPITAL. UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES THESE REALLY IMPORTANT AND ESSENTIAL CAREERS ARE NOT HIGH PAYING FOR MYSELF I WORKED IN DOWNTOWN KANSAS WHERE WE'RE BASED FROM AND FOUNDED FOR FOUR YEARS AS A NONPROFIT ART MUSEUM.

I MADE $15 AN HOUR. I'M NOT A CRIMINAL.

I AM CONTRIBUTING. BUT I WASN'T MAKING HIGH SALARY. SO FOR ME, SOMETHING LIKE THIS I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE ME IN MY MID 20S, I THINK ABOUT MY MOM WHO IS A CNA, AND I THINK ABOUT THOSE SERVICE INDUSTRY WORKERS WHO ARE WORKING AND CONTRIBUTING TO YOUR DOWNTOWN.

LIKE IT WAS NOTED, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY SO WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 25% MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE. THE UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE BASED ON THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME LOCKED IN ABOUT 35

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YEARS. >> FOR HOW LONG DID YOU SAY?

>> YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> THREE TO FIVE OR 35.

>> 35. BUT THOSE INCOME BRACKETS MOVE WITH THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MEDIAN INCOME COULD BE $150,000 IN TEN YEARS AND THAT -- YOU KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY HIGH ALREADY.

AND SO THOSE INCOME BRACKETS MOVE.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAD FOR APRIL?

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> I DO WANT TO SAY THAT BUILDING HAS HAD A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. I STAYED IN DOWNTOWN LAST NIGHT. I WALKED THE STREET. I VISITED WITH GEORGE AT THE PARAMOUNT.

THAT BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL. BUT THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW LOOKS PRETTY INSTITUTIONALIZED. ALMOST LIKES A PRISON.

UNDERNEATH THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ORIGINAL DRAWINGS FROM DAVID S.

CASTLE. THE BUILDING WAS AWESOME.

AND OUR WORK WOULD BE TO KIND OF TRY TO TAKE US BACK THERE.

REMOVE THE BRUTALIST FACADE, GET A COOL VERTICAL SIGN BACK UP.

WE WOULD REALLY BE LOOKING TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT WHAT Y'ALL HAVE GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN AND ALSO, TOO, I'VE BEEN CHATTING WITH THE DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS GROUP AND REBECCA SPECIFICALLY ABOUT COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR NORTH THIRD AND CYPRESS SO IT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY TO A LARGER EXTENT THAN JUST --

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. >> I APPRECIATE IT.

I LOOKED AT KIND OF WHAT YOU GUYS DID IN 25 WITH THE REVITALIZATION OF THE SOUND HOUSTON SCHOOLS THAT YOU GUYS DID. THAT WAS NEAT TO SEE KIND OF THE REIMAGINATION THAT YOU GUYS IMPLEMENTED IN THAT CITY.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IS, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND REVITALIZATION IN THE CITY. YOU GUYS PRIDE YOURSELF ON DIFFERENT STRATEGIES. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT ARE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES YOU ENVISION ENGAGING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSING SINCE YOU GUYS TEND TO BE REALLY GOOD PARTNERS IN THE CITIES YOU

SERVE? >> YES.

THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID, I WAS TELLING REBECCA AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING AND I MESSAGED HER LAST NIGHT TELLING HER THAT I WOULD BE EXCITED TO CONTINUE THESE CONVERSATIONS TO EXPLORE THE BEST USE AVAILABLE AND ALSO TO, YOU KNOW -- I MET WITH AND CHATTED WITH GEORGE AT THE PARAMOUNT, AND HE AND I WERE DISCUSSING OPPORTUNITIES REGARDING PARKING FOR HIS STAFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE $10 MILLION RENOVATION COST, $18 MILLION TOTAL RENOVATION DEVELOPMENT BUDGET WE WOULD BE INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN AND NOT ONE STREET. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE THAT WE COULD AT LEAST CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE -- PROPER AND MEANINGFUL USE OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE PARAMOUNT OUT WITH SOME

PARKING. >> THAT'S AWESOME.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 16 LIFE A CARD FROM DOUG WILLIAMS.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> RIGHT ON TIME.

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND MR. HANNA, MY NAME IS DOUG WILLIAMSON A LONG TIME BELORUSSIAN ABILENEEN AND REPRESENTING THE REGIONAL GROWTH ALLIANCE.

LOCAL LEADERS WHO ENGAGE IN THE WORK OF ABILENE CHAMBERS GROWTH ALLIANCE MET TO BE BRIEFED ON THE PROPOSED 301 CYPRESS STREET PROJECT IN DOWNTOWN. OUR BRIEFING PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS AS WELL AS THE SHORT- TERM AND LONG- TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THE PROJECT.

OUR COLLECTIVE VIEW IS THAT THE PROPOSED PROMPT PROPOSED PROJECT APPEARS TO BE A POSITIVE MOVE FOR ABILENE, THE CITY AND DOWNTOWN. THROUGH THE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH THE PROJECT PRINCIPALS APRIL AND JACK, THE PROJECT IS INTENDED TO SERVE AS MIXED INCOME HOUSING OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL BRING NEW LIFE TO A SIGNATURE BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN AND MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE VIEW MARKET BASED SOLUTIONS THAT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE TO HELP

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PUT THE BUILDING BACK INTO SERVICE.

IN ADDITION, WE BELIEVE THE LIVING SPACES TO BE BUILT IN THIS PROJECT CAN ADD MUCH NEEDED CRITICAL MASS TO OUR URBAN CORE AND ATTRACT RESIDENTS WHO ARE DOWNTOWN WORKERS, NEARBY TECHNICIANS AND OTHERS WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM THE HOUSING MIX THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MIXED INCOME PROJECT WILL HOUSE OTHERS AT THE MARKET RATE.

MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROVIDES A WAY TO INTEGRATE LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS INTO HIGHER INCOME HOUSING OFFERING THEM ACCESS TO AMENITIES, POTENTIALLY IMPROVE SOCIAL NETWORKS RESULTING IN INCREASED STABILITY AND BRINGS TOGETHER PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS.

UNFORTUNATELY THE SITE IS ON AN EMERGING RETAIL RESTAURANT CORRIDOR CYPRESS STREET.

THOSE CORRIDORS USUALLY LEND THEMSELVES TO A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL PRESENCE. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO CONSIDER THIS POTENTIAL USE RATHER THAN ANY RESIDENTIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHOPS, ET CETERA ON THAT FIRST FLOOR, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE THE REST OF DOWNTOWN ABILENE.

WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THIS INPUT AND APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU.

>> REBECCA. >> REBECCA WITH THE ABILENE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. SO WE WANTED TO UPDATE OUR POSITION BECAUSE WHEN PROVIDED WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS THE CORRECTED INFORMATION IF YOU REMEMBER, I SAID THAT THE PROPOSAL IN ITS FORM WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE FELT FELL IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING STAKEHOLDER VISION AND PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN, BUT WHEN GIVEN THE CORRECTED INFORMATION, THAT DOES APPEAR TO FALL WITHIN THE PLAN WITH THE VARIETY OF MIXED INCOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, SERVE MY EMPLOYEES AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES ALL THE WAY UP TO MARKET RATE WHICH ULTIMATELY HELPS ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT AND HOUSING REMAINS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN SO WE ARE NOW IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

I WILL SAY WE ALSO SHARE THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC FACING COMPONENT TO THE GROUND FLOOR AT THIS TIME, HOWEVER WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT IN THE MEETING WITH APRIL HER QUESTION WAS DO YOU ALL HAVE A LOCAL PERSON TRYING TO FIND A SPOT.

SHE WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO FIND A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER THAT COULD SERVE THAT NEED, SO IT WAS ONLY POSITIVE IN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.

I WAS THEN ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION TO THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION AT OUR REGULAR MEETING LAST WEEK AND EVERYONE SHARED IT WAS UNANIMOUS CONCERN. AS YOU KNOW, WE WILL NEVER HAVE UNANIMOUS ANYTHING WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A MIX OF TYPES OF BUSINESSES, TYPES OF OBJECTIVES, RESIDENTS, ALL OF THE THINGS WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE CONSENSUS OR ALMOST CONSENSUS FOR ONCE.

I WILL SHARE THAT. I DID WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO SAY WE'RE A YEAR INTO Y'ALL SUPPORTING A DOWNTOWN COORDINATOR POSITION WITHIN THE CITY AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE OFTEN TELL YOU WHEN THINGS ARE WORKING ONLY WHEN THINGS ARE BROKEN, SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT IN MY VIEW AND I THINK UNANIMOUSLY FOR ALL OF US THAT WORK WITH KATE WILL SAY THAT BOTH THE FUNCTION AND THE PERSON THAT YOU HIRED ARE WORKING VERY WELL IN OUR OPINION AND HAVING THAT PERSON THAT CAN TRANSLATE COMPLEX CITY TO ALL OF US THAT DON'T DO THAT ON A DAY-TO- DAY BASIS AND HELP US GET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO BE AHEAD OF IT HAS BEEN VITAL, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT BUT WITH ALL THINGS.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT POSITION AND HOPE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT AND THANK YOU SPECIFICALLY FOR PUTTING KATE IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE SHE'S DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB AN I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THIS.

ANYTHING THAT HELPS ALLEVIATE HOUSING IN ABILENE IS GREAT. THE OTHER THING I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO DO NOT TAKE MY COMMENTS WHEN I SPEAK UP HERE AND PERSONALIZE THEM TO ME. I DO NOT APPRECIATE WHEN YOU TAKE MY COMMENTS AND RELATE THEM TO MY BUSINESS.

I CAN'T RESPOND TO THAT. MR. MCAL STER'S REFERENCE, IT'S A BIG DEAL. I GET UP HERE AS A CITIZEN.

I DO NOT GET UP HERE TO REPRESENT ANY BUSINESS.

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MY BUSINESS OR ANY WAY LIKE THAT AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT WHEN I SPEAK IF YOU PERSONALIZE IT THAT WAY.

THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ME. PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT. WE NEED MORE HOUSING. WE NEED MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE PLACES TO RENT. SO ANYTHING THAT HELPS THAT.

I STILL REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD SOME HOUSING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT DONE, BECAUSE I NEVER SEEN IT BEHIND HENDRICK AND I WAS LIKE WOW THAT'S GREAT SUPPORT THAT.

THE OTHER GREAT THING ABOUT THIS, THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR MONEY. THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT SO THEY CAN GET A TAX EASEMENT FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

SO GREAT. EVEN BETTER.

THIS IS MORE MARKET BASED BUSINESS. AND I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I DO NOT FEEL LIKE AS A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, WHERE MY BUSINESS IS, Y'ALL DON'T DO ENOUGH.

EVERYTHING GOING INTO DOWNTOWN. AT LEAST THIS ONE IS HELPING ALLEVIATE -- HELPING TOWARDS ALLEVIATING HOUSING NEEDS BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT HAS TRIED TO RENT A HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND FIND ANYTHING IT'S SO UNAFFORDABLE ESPECIALLY FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. IF THIS HELPS THEM FIND PLACE TO RENT THAT'S AFFORDABLE AND THEN THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES BASED OFF THEIR INCOME THEY CAN GET MORE HELP GREAT. THAT'S I THINK ANYBODY IN THE ENTIRE CITY SHOULD BE SUPPORTING THIS ESPECIALLY OUR CITY COUNCIL IF THEY'RE -- ESPECIALLY ASKING FOR A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO HELP THEM GET THE -- A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANTAGE IN HELPING THAT. THIS IS THE GREASING THE WHEEL.

NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO HELP HOUSING AND HOPEFULLY IF IT COMES AROUND SUNZ SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE BUSINESSES AROUND THEM.

I NEVER HEARD OF A BUSINESS GOING AROUND TALKING TO OTHER BUSINESS PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. I THINK THAT'S GREAT SIGN THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR BUSINESS, TO HOPEFULLY MAKE A PROFIT AND TO PROVIDE GOOD HOUSING. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS LETTER AND SUPPORT THEM SO WE CAN HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> STILL THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 16 PLEASE COME FORWARD.

NO ONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT

PERIOD. >> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE ABOUT TO RECONSIDER ITEMS. I APPRECIATE -- I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN REGAN THAT GOT THIS BALL ROLLING AND APPRECIATE THAT.

IN BOSTON THEY HAVE CHEERS AS A RESTAURANT.

DOUG, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN ONE CALLED DOUG'S IN THE BASEMENT OF THIS PLACE CALLED DOUG'S.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION --

>> MOTION BY AND I KEEP COMING BACK TO ONE, THE 35 YEARS WAS AN EYE OPENER FOR ME.

LOCKED IN FOR 35 YEARS. SHANE MENTIONED THE LAST MEETING THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR WAS DONE WITH THE WINDSOR YEARS AGO. AND THAT MAYBE THERE WAS SOME REGRET AFTER THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.

SHANE, YOU CAN SPEAK ON THAT IF YOU WISH.

WHEN I HEARD 35 YEARS THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME.

THE OTHER TWO POINTS I'LL MAKE QUICKLY, ONE THIS IS -- IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER STREET WE NEED MORE HOUSING, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. MY ISSUE WITH IS THE CITY JUST PUT $10 MILLION INTO THE CYPRESS STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND IT'S NOT EVEN FINISHED.

WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH. ONCE THAT'S FINISHED, THE GOAL WITH THAT WHOLE PROJECT WAS TO BRING IN DEVELOPERS AND TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE THAT THE MARKET WANTS TO BUILD THERE, SHOPS, APARTMENTS, WHAT NOT AND MY CONCERN IS, WELL, IT'S NOT BUILT YET. IT'S TORN UP. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY WAITING ENOUGH TIME TO LET THE DEVELOPMENT FINISH SO THAT DEVELOPERS AND MARKETERS CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE BUILDING THERE FOR

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$10 MILLION BEFORE WE'RE PULLING THE TRIGGER ON THIS PROJECT. THAT'S -- THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT OTHER HUD, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER, THE HOUSING ASSISTANT PROGRAM AD MINISTERED BY H.U.D. AND THERE'S TWO BLOCKS AWAY AND THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY BEING PROPOSED. AS FAR AS ALLEVIATING HOUSING CONCERNS, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS HERE POTENTIALLY ON THE RADAR MOVING FORWARD THAT I THINK I WOULD BE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF.

MY PROBLEM IS THAT WE JUST PUT $10 MILLION INTO THE STREET AND IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW ONCE THE PROJECT IS FINISHED AND STILL DON'T HAVE ANY FULLY JUST MARKET RETAIL DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT, OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN RECONSIDER.

FOR ME, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S -- WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CYPRESS STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. I AM OPPOSED TO LOCKING THIS IN FOR 35 YEARS AND OPPOSED TO THIS. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO BE ALLEVIATING HOUSING AND APPRECIATE THE PICTURES AND THE ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, BUT AFTER GOING BACK TO THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS AND SAYING, HEY, DOES THIS CHANGE THIS FOR YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONDUITS OF BUSINESS OWNERS THERE, THIS IS A LETTER MUCH SUPPORT AND WE HAVE TO REPRESENT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND MY BY AND LARGE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN NO. SO I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS FOR THOSE REASONS.

>> TO THOSE POINTS I WOULD SAY, BLESS YOU, MAX, TO THOSE POINTS I WOULD SAY, I ACTUALLY DID A DEEP DIVE AFTER WE WERE GIVEN A LOT MORE OF THE INFORMATION AND HEARD THE OPPOSITE FROM BUSINESS OWNERS WHO FULLY SUPPORTED THISTHIS ONCE GIVEN MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE MIXED USE. I THINK IT -- IT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH A LOT OF WHAT OUR MISSION AND VISION IS FOR DOWNTOWN AND THE CITY OF ABILENE.

I DO THINK THAT THE FACT THAT WE ARE SOMEONE WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED AN ABOUT TO WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS A GREAT SIGN MOVING FORWARD AS WELL AND SO WITH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I WAS ABLE TO HAVE WITH OUR DOWNTOWN INVESTORS IN TERMS OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

>> A CONCERN I MENTIONED WAS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST TIME IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED THE FUNDING OVER MULT YEARS AND THAT THIS PROJECT WE'RE NOT ALLOCATING ANY FUNDS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, AND SO IT'S JUST A LETTER OF SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THIS. I THINK THAT THIS DOES ALIGN FOR THE VISION FOR BRINGING MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN AND HAVING A PLACE WHERE THEY LIVE. I MENTIONED REBECCA.

WE NEED A GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE CAN GET THEIR STAPLES AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE SOME WHERE OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THE

MOTION MADE. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BY MCALISTER, A SECOND BY PRICE. I'M GOING TO FULLY VOTE.

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT A ZONING CHANGE.

THIS IS ALREADY ZONED MULTIFAMILY CAN ALREADY GO IN THE STRUCTURE. ALL IT IS IS PROVING THEIR ABILITY FOR THIS TAX CREDIT FOR THE HOUSING THERE.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CRAVER. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOMETIMES WE WANT TO DO THE SMARTEST THING SITTING ON A PROPERTY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED IS SOMETIMES NOT THE BEST ANSWER. I DO SUPPORT THIS.

>> POINT OUT WE CANNOT STOP SOMEBODY BUILDING MULTIFAMILY. BY RIGHT THEY CAN BUILD THERE.

IT'S ENABLES THE TAX CREDIT.

>> THE TAX CREDITS EVERY TWO

YEARS. >> TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN TRY THIS AGAIN.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE.

[17. Ordinance (Final Reading) CUP-2025-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner, to Apply a Conditional Use Permit to Approximately 91.21 Acres to Allow a 150’ Tall Monopole Tower Within Agriculture Open (AO), Located at 1602 Loop 322 (Tim Littlejohn)]

>> ONE NO FROM CONGRESSMAN REGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES.

>>> ITEM 17. I'LL ASK VAN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

>> COUNCIL, UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. CASE CUP 2025-01.

AGENT GALLOWAY. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW 150 FOOT TALL MONOPOLE AND AGRICULTURE ZONING.

LOCATION 1602 BLUE 322. THE PROPOSED SITE LOCATION,

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THE YELLOW X, LOWGATION. THE POLE IN THE CENTER.

SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT AROUND IT. ZONING MAP.

UNDER THE USES IN ZONING. HEAR ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS.

MORE PROPERTY VIEWS. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT.

ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC, RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVED. SUBJECT TO FAA APPROVAL OF THE TOWER HEIGHT AND THE LOCATION. PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF VAN? AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE -- I WILL -- AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? GIVE YOUR NAME TO WHELDON HURT FOR THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU.

MCALISTER, MAYOR PRO TEM M GALWAY, GOOD MORNING.

I'M LADDIE GALWAY, REPRESENTING THE LAND OWNER AND TITAN TOWERS AS THE TOWER COMPANY. WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT UP A 150 FOOT TALL MONOPOLE THERE FOR COMMUNICATION NEEDS. IT WOULD SERVE TWO PURPOSES.

ONE WOULD BE TO EXTEND THE CURRENT COVERAGE OUT INTO THE LIDDEL AREA. TO THE NORTH THEY HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER COVERAGE. TO THE SOUTH THEY HAVE POOR BUILDING COVERAGE. THIS WOULD STRENGTHEN THAT COVERAGE OUT THERE. EVEN AS MORE IMPORTANTLY IT WOULD GIVE MORE CAPACITY TO THE AREA AROUND THE EXPO CENTER AND THE AIRPORT AND ABILENE PUBLIC SCHOOL BUILDING ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND THE TRAFFIC ON THE LOOP BY HAVING MORE ANTENNAS UP THERE THAT CAN SERVE THE CAPACITY. WHEN I SAY THAT IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY HAVE BIG EVENTS AT THE EXPO CENTER YOU MAY HAVE COME TODAY, TOMORROW, AND WHATEVER, BUT WHEN YOU LOAD THAT PLACE UP, EVERYBODY'S PHONES ARE GOING DOWN AND COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO USE CREDIT CARDS, AND DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT.

WE'RE HOPEFUL THIS WILL ALLEVIATE THAT AS WELL AS BRING IN MULTIPLE CARRIERS TO DO THE SAME THING. ADDRESSING THE FAA, WE'VE GOT OUR DETERMINATION, TO HAZARD FROM THE FAA THAT ALLOWS US FOR 150 MONOPOLE PLUS 4 FEET ON TOP.

A SHORT DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY THEY ASK IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAYBE LOCATE ON THAT TOWER SO THEY CAN TRANSMIT DATA FROM THE EXPO STRAIGHT INTO THE COURTHOUSE WHICH RIGHT NOW THEY APPARENTLY CAN'T AND I ASSURED THEM THAT THEY COULD.

I WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WHEN I OFFICIATE SOCCER GAMES AT SHOTWELL IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW I CAN CALL IT BOTH WAYS WITH A BETTER TOWER THERE. I APPRECIATE

THAT. >> MR. GALWAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 17? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT RECOGNIZING YOU. DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE.

>> MY WIFE WAS WATCHING THIS. GETTING UP GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. I HADN'T PLANNED TO SAY ANYTHING AND BUT HE CALLED ME ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND PROPOSED THIS IDEA AND AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW ROCHELLE JOHNSON WHO RUNS THAT OPERATION OUT THERE YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT GETTING HER BLESSING. THE FIRST THING I DID WAS CONTACT HER AND SHE AND I DROVE PROPERTY TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHERE A GOOD LOCATION WOULD BE TO PUT THIS AN THEN WE LATER MET WITH LADDIE AND SHOWED HIM THE LOCATION THAT THE EXPO NEVER REALLY USES THAT SPOT.

WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT

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LIVE IN THE SHORES AREA. THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THEIR CONNECTIVITY AS WELL AS HE'S CORRECT WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE SOME VERY SUCCESSFUL FAIRS AND WESTERN HERITAGE EVENTS OUT THERE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN OUT THERE.

THEY COULDN'T REACH ANYBODY. THE MERCHANTS THAT COME IN OUT THERE THEY COULDN'T DO TRANSACTIONS. THAT'S EVEN WITH THE EXPO BRINGING IN EXTRA EQUIPMENT TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY OUT THERE.

THE THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY.

THE COUNTY CAN MAKE REVENUE OFF THE LEASE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL I THINK TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY OUT THERE.

APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANKS, COMMISSIONER.

>> ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 17? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> I'LL MOVE.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BEARD, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PRICE.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. READY TO VOTE.

[18. Ordinance (Final Reading) CUP-2025-02: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner, to Apply a Conditional Use Permit to Approximately 0.57 Acres to Allow a Drive-Thru Lane, Located At 3210 Antilley Road (Tim Littlejohn)]

>> ALL YES. MOTION

CARRIES. >> ITEM 18.

VAN YOU'RE UP AGAIN.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP-2025-02.

AGENT IS LAUREN MALLVERT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DRIVE- THROUGH LANE, THE LOCATION AT 3210 ANTILLEY ROAD.

THERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THERE IS A ZONING MAP.

THERE IS A MAP SHOWING THE VEHICLE PATH AND THE VEHICLE DIRECTION AND THE CLEARANCES. HERE'S SOME PROPERTY VIEWS.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT. ONE IN FAVOR.

ONE OPPOSED. REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDZ. THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SUBMITTING CONCEPT PLAN AND A PLAN OF OPERATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS OF VAN?

>> WERE THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM STAFF WITH REGARDS TO THE CUE LENGTH FOR THE NUMBER OF CARS?

>> NO, SIR. IT MET THE

CRITERIA. >> THANK YOU.

>> AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 18.

COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT A MOTION

AND SECOND. >> SO

RULED. >> A MOTION BY CONGRESSMAN

REGAN. >>

SECOND. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

[19. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner to Change the Zoning of Approximately 2.00 Acres from General Retail (GR) to General Commercial (GC) Zoning, Located On The 6600 Block Of Buffalo Gap Road (Tim Littlejohn)]

ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES.

>>> WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 19, VAN, PRESENT THIS

ITEM. >> MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A ZONING REQUEST CASE Z-2025-01.

AGENT ZEE AND COMPANY LLC, OWNER PACK HOUSE ENTERPRISES.

THE REQUEST IS THE CHANGE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2 ACRES FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

LOCATION IS AT 6600 BLOCK OF BUFFALO GAP ROAD.

THERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THERE IS A ZONING MAP.

THERE ARE THE USES AND GENERAL RETAIL ZONING.

THERE ARE THE USES AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING.

THERE IS SOME PROPERTY VIEWS. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT.

ZERO IN FAVOR. TWO OPPOSED.

THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING.

GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION

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RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIED. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS OF VAN?

>> I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR A ZONE CHANGE FROM THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS, IT SOUND LIKE THEY CAN TO EVERYTHING WITH THE EXISTING

ZONING. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS ON -- KIND OF ON THE FENCE AND TYPICALLY IN A MINOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LUBE FOR OIL CHANGE. THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE -- MORE ITEMS THAT THEY PARTICIPATED IN AND -- WHICH KIND OF EDGED THAT OVER TO THE MAJOR PORTION OF IT. AND THERE WAS -- AN I BELIEVE THEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY OF INSTEAD OF THEM OR A VEHICLE DRIVING UP BEING TAKEN CARE OF AN MOVING ON AN LEAVING, THERE IS MAYBE THE POSSIBILITY THEY CAN ADDRESS THIS OF IT REASON. G OVERNIGHT FOR SOME -

>> SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING LIST OF WHAT'S ALLOWED, ONE MORE. THAT'S NOW.

CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES, AUTOMOBILE SMALL TRUCK MINOR AND REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES INDOORS.

IS THAT REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICE INDOOR LIMITED TO MINOR? IT DOESN'T SAY MINOR ON THE SCREEN. IS IT THE ORDINANCE OR -- SOUNDS LIKE THEY CAN DO ANY INDOOR REPAIR.

IT'S JUST IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO OUTDOOR REPAIR IT'S LIMITED TO MINOR.

IS HOW I READ THAT. IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT -- BECAUSE THEY MENTIONED A FEW TIMES IN THERE OPERATIONS THEY DO ALL THEIR STUFF INDOORS AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO CAN BE DONE. I DON'T SEE A RESTRICTION ON PARKING VEHICLES OUTDOORS AFTER HOURS.

>> ADDED SOME INFORMATION HERE. VAN IS CORRECT, IT GOES BACK TO OUR DEFINITIONS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WHICH ARE POOR AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE ADDRESSING WITH OUR REDAFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF MINOR REPAIR IT TALKS ABOUT TIRE CHANGE, OIL CHANGES, ALTERNATOR CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT ANYBODY, ANY MECHANIC WOULD SAY IS MINOR AUTO REPAIR. IF THIS COMPANIES COULDS TO -- CHOOSES TO REBUILD AN AXLE, ENGINE, THAT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED UNDER MINOR REPAIR. THEY'RE HOPING TO MAKE SURE ALL THE USES THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR AUTO SERVICE STANDPOINT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSPED UNDER MAJOR REPAIR AND WHY THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING THAT.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN ADD MORE INFORMATION.

>> FOR CLARITY THE SECOND REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES INDOOR IS LIMITED TO MINOR EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE MINOR ON THE SLIDE?

>> BECAUSE OF THE POOR DEFINITIONS IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MY ANALYSIS WOULD SAY YES, THEY ARE RESTRICTED TO MINOR AUTO MAINTENANCE NOT MAJOR. WHETHER IT'S INDOOR OR OUTDOOR.

THE ADDITION OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PARK A VEHICLE OUTSIDE OVERNIGHT IF THEY NEEDED TO AND THE PROCESS OF MAINTAINING IT.

>> WHICH WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE GENERAL RETAIL.

>> YOU CAN'T PARK A VEHICLE OUTSIDE?

>> YOU CAN'T STORE VEHICLES

OUTSIDE. >>

STORE. >> YOU CAN'T STORE THEM

OUTSIDE. >> SO THE DEFINITION WERE TO MEAN STORE? 24 HOURS, 48 HOURS, 72 HOURS?

>> IT IS -- THERE'S A TERM OF ART.

IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU'RE PARKING A VEHICLE OVERNIGHT I'M SURE WE'RE TO THE GOING TO GET UPSET ABOUT IT. IF IT'S THERE AND IT'S IN A STATE OF DISASSEMBLY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY TRIGGER A ZONING VIOLATION.

>> AND SO WHAT COUNCILMAN PRICE THAT WAS MY SAME QUESTION IS THAT I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING OUT EXACTLY AND VAN I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS MINOR VERSUS MAJOR, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT'S THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS ONE IS JUST MINOR AND ONE IS MINOR MAJOR?

>> CORRECT.

>> FLOW CHART.

>>. I JUST -- I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT TOO. I COULDN'T TELL A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

>>DOWN TO THAT.

>> SOME VERBIAGE AND DEFINITION.

>> THE TAKEAWAY TO THAT WAS THAT THIS WAS ON THE LINE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE THIS APPLICANT AND TO ERR ON THE SIDE

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OF CAUTION IT WAS CHOSEN OKAY, WE'LL GO WITH A ZONING CHANGE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IT WAS DENIED AND THEY'RE APPEALING IT TO US. MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THE CONCERNS PARTLY WHY IT WAS DENIED WAS THE -- IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL IT DOWN THE ROAD, THESE CHANGES CARRY TO A POTENTIAL NEW THAT COULD EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS TO LARGER REBUILDS OR DO THINGS THAT THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS NOT CONSIDERING BUT THE PERSON THEY SELL IT TO IN 10 OR 20 YEARS MAY DO. IS THAT FAIR OF WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONCERNS WERE?

>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> FURTHER QUESTIONS OF VAN? S

. >> AT THIS TIME I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 19? COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. WE HAVE CARDS.

>> THREE CARDS. WANT TO LET THE

APPLICANT. >> LET THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD FIRST, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL SUBTLE. I'M WITH CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AUTOMOTIVE AND WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE REZONE.

WE'RE -- MR. HANNA AND MR. PRICE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXED ABOUT THE WAY THIS DEFINITION LINES OUT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T DO TO GIVE APPEASEMENT TO THE UNEASE YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY REALLY WHAT WE DO DO AS A BRAND. I WANT TO READ A LITTLE BIT OFF YOUR WEBSITE ABOUT WHAT WE DO NOT DO. WE DO NOT DO WRECKER SERVICE, WE DO NOT DO COLLISION REPAIR, WE DO NOT DO BODY OR FRAME STRAIGHTENING OR BENDING, WE DON'T DO CUSTOMIZING, PAINTING, VEHICLE STEAM CLEANING, UNDERCOATING, RUST PROOFING, OR ANY OF THE ITEMS YOU WOULD CONSIDER MAJOR OR HEAVY. WHAT WE DO DO THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER THIS WOULD BE ENGINE WORK.

PERFECT EXAMPLE WOULD BE I REPLACE THE ENGINE ON A CAR I DROVE UP HERE YESTERDAY. THE WAY TA WORKS IS WE PULL THE ENGINE OUT OF THE CAR, BUY A NEW ENGINE FROM A VENDOR AND PUT IT BACK IN THE CAR.

WE'RE NOT BREAKING THE ENGINE DOWN, MELDING CYLINDERS WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT. THE SAME FOR TRANSMISSIONS.

WE DON'T DO TRANSMISSION WORK. WE SUBLET THAT TO AN EXPERT.

WE'LL PULL ONE AND PUT THE NEW ONE IN, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THE HEAVY LINE BIG MAIN LINE WORK. IT'S MAINLY AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE. WE'RE A DEALER ALTERNATIVE.

WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT A DEALERSHIP WOULD DO WITHOUT THOSE HEAVY LINE WORKS. WE COMPETE AGAINST THEM IN THE AFTERMARKET. SO IF THAT TAKES SOME OF THE MAJOR OFF THE TABLE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE MAJOR ITEMS. WE WANT THE ABILITY TO PULL AN ENGINE BUT IF YOU WALKED INTO OUR SHOPS OUR 305 OPEN TODAY WE DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO MELD THESE ENGINES OR TO RECONDITION TRANSMISSIONS.

WE HAVE AUTO MECHANICS THAT WILL SERVICE THAT AUTOMOBILE ON THE LIGHTER SIDE BY DEFINITION. ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS HAS TO DO WITH THE NOISE SITUATIONS. WE'VE DONE NOISE STUDIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. OUR SHOPS AT 100 FEET HAVE ABOUT 50 DECIBELS OF NOISE. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT 50 DECIBELS RIGHT NOW. THE BAYS ARE FACING BUFFALO GAP ROAD SO THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THIS WILL NOT HEAR THE WORK TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE SHOP.

IF THE CONCERN IS SELLING THE BUSINESS DOWN THE ROAD TO ANOTHER USER AND YOU HAVE A SCOPE CREEP FOR WHAT TAKES PLACE, MEANING MAYBE IT'S NOT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR THAT WE DO, I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE NEVER CLOSED A LOCATION.

WE'VE BEEN OPEN FOR 43 YEARS. NUMBER ONE LOCATION IS STILL OPEN. AS ARE EVERY OTHER LOCATION WE'VE OPENED. WE DON'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE.

WE WANT TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE DONE THIS WELL.

WE'RE JUST HERE TODAY WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE CAUGHT IN A VERY CONFLICTING ZONING.

WE'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

>> ABSTAIN THIS TO ALLOW QUESTIONS TO YOU, FROM COUNCIL TO YOU.

>> I HAD TWO QUESTIONS HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN IN BUSINESS AND, TWO, WHAT THE LONGEVITY OF THE LOCATION IS ON AVERAGE AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 43 YEARS AND NEVER CLOSED A LOCATION IS ONE FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE AMAZING, ALSO, TWO, I THINK ADDRESSES THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT SCOPE CREEP AN, SO I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,

GENTLEMEN. >> STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. GO WITH

CARDS. >> TWO CARDS. REBECCA ELDREDGE.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS REBECCA ELDREDGE. I'M GOING TO READ, I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT FROM MY NEIGHBOR.

FORGIVE ME FOR HAVING TO READ HERE.

MY FAMILY OF SEVEN HAS LIVED IN ABILENE FOR NINE YEARS ACTIVELY SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY WITH PASSION AND PRIDE WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TO OPPOSE AND I WANT TO GIVE CONTEXT TO THE IMPACTS DIRECTLY TO MY FAMILY AND OTHER RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS LOCATION. SHOULD THIS REQUEST PASS.

WHILE I TRUST THE INTENTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MR. BLAISE STATED THERE ARE BLURRED LINES FOR WHAT THIS APPLICANT'S BUSINESS CAN DO.

THE PROPERTY LINE FOR MY HOUSE TO THIS BUSINESS IN THIS ZONE IS LESS THAN ABOUT 25 FEET FROM MY FENCE. WHICH MAKES MY OFFICE DIRECTLY IN THAT 50 DECIBEL ZONE FOR SOUND POLLUTION.

AS A MOTHER OF FIVE I HAVE MADE A POINT TO CHOOSE MY VOCATION TO SUPPORT MY ABOUT TO WORK FROM HOME WHILE BEING ACTIVELY ABILITY TO SUPPORT MY CHILDREN IN ABILENE NINE YEARS WAY BEFORE WORK FROM HOME WAS A THING. WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION FOR OUR HOME BASED ON SEVERAL FACTORS SUCH AS PROPERTY VALUE, HIGH EDUCATIONAL VALUE AND GROWTH POTENTIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY BUT FOR THE PEACE. WE HAVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GREAT PEACE AND GREAT COLLABORATION.

WHILE I SUPPORT THE ADDITION OF BUSINESSES SURROUNDING OUR COMMUNITY ALLOWING OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE BUYING LOCAL AND STAYING LOCAL I HAVE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS TO MAINTAIN PROVIDING FOR MY FAMILY WHILE MAINTAINING THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE AVAILABLE AT ANY MOMENT TO BE THERE FOR THE CHILDREN.

THIS REZONING BRINGS AN INSTABILITY TO THE NOISE POLLUTION AND PEACE AFFECT MICE REQUIREMENTS FOR A NOISE FREE WORK ENVIRONMENT AT HOME.

THIS POSES A THREAT TO MY JOB AND MY ABILITY TO SUPPORT MY CHILDREN. ADDITIONALLY WE CHOSE TO LIVE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN BECAUSE OF THE VALUE IT GENERATES, THE GROWTH THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND CONTINUES TO HAPPEN, HOWEVER PASSING THIS REZONING REQUEST CAN DIRECTLY IMPACT MY FIVE- YEAR PROPERTY INVESTMENT WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF VALUE DIP APPRECIATATION FROM THIS REZONING.

WE KNOW THE TAX DOLLARS IN WILEY AND MY HUSBAND AND I PAY THESE HIGHER TAXES FOR THE BETTER EDUCATION FOR OUR KIDS, DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE STREET AND RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MY THOUGHTS ON THIS MATTER AND THE PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE DECISIONS AROUND OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. MY HOPE IS THIS COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE IMPACTS OF THE BURDENS YOU'RE MAKING.

WHILE ABILENE CONTINUES THE DEVELOPMENT OF ITS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS I WOULD EXPECT ABILENE TO CONSIDER THE UNEXPECTED COSTS THAT COULD ARISE NOT JUST FINANCIALLY BUT FOR PEOPLE'S JOBS AND THEIR STABILITY AT HOME. THANK YOU.

>> KEVIN PHILLIPS.

>> THAT'S ALL THE CARDS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KEVIN PHILLIPS.

WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY SO WE'RE THE SELLERS.

JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE INVESTMENT THAT OUR COMPANY HAS MADE HERE AND WE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE A BAD STEWARD TO ANYONE.

THE ABOUT TO PARTNER WITH SOMEONE LIKE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, TO HAVE THAT ABOUT IS A GREAT HONOR TO US. AS FAR AS SOUND, THE WAY IT'S ZONED NOW, WE COULD SELL THIS TO SOMEBODY THAT HAD 24 HOUR A DAY AROUND THE CLOCK SERVICES. WE COULD PUT A SONIC THERE, A FAST FOOD JOINT OPEN DAY AND NIGHT, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE FROM 7:00 TO 6:00 IN THE EVENING. AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE CLOSED SATURDAY AND SUNDAY? I MEAN -- THERE IS A PIECE OF LAND, IF WE CAN GO BACK, THERE IS A PIECE OF LAND THAT BUFFERS BETWEEN US AND THE ALLEY AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL.

Y'ALL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

>> QUESTIONS FROM KEVIN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE MORE THING.

WE TURNED IN OUR ACCEPTANCE OR OUR APPROVAL IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A NORMAL DEAL IF THE OWNER IS REQUESTING IT THERE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE A GREEN DOT.

WHY WOULD WE ASK FOR IT IF WE WEREN'T FOR IT.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. SEEMS TO MAKE

SENSE. >> I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THAT POINT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.

WELL, ACTUALLY, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT ONE YOU HAD WAS FINE. YEAH.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP HERE, WHERE IT SAYS 62856 IF YOU

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WERE TO DRAW A LINE AND GO INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, BASICALLY EVEN FURTHER NORTH THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL OPEN SPACE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IN FACT FROM LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE THE BACK OF THE DOLLAR TREE, DOLLAR GENERAL --

>> DOLLAR GENERAL.

>> THE BACK OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS CLOSER TO THE HOMES THAN THIS BUILDING WOULD BE IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT BRINGS WOULD SEEM TO BE BRINGING IN MORE -- I MEAN IT -- WHAT'S ALREADY THERE IS CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS THAN WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING, AND I'M GUESSING THAT WITH THAT LAND THERE THAT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE.

>> WE DO NOT OWN THAT LAND. THE TACO PEOPLE

OWN THAT LAND. >> TO THE

SOUTH. >> THAT'S UNDEVELOPABLE.

>> IT'S NOT LIKE Y'ALL ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING STUFF IN. YOU

CAN'T. >> THAT'S

CORRECT. >> WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS THE EXISTING BUILDING IS CLOSER THAN WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE

ANYWAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY IS WHERE THE SITE PLAN LOCATION IS THAT WE'RE SELLING.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT 19 COME FORWARD.

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M DAVIDSIVELY I LIVE AT 4064 BAY HILL AND OUR HOUSE IS BEHIND THE ALLEY TO THE EAST.

I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE MY POINTS THAT I MADE WITH THE P AND Z MEETING. IT SEEMS LIKE -- I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RETAIL ZONING AND THAT'S -- THAT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES. DOLLAR GENERAL IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED SITE AS IS THE TACO CASA.

ACROSS THE STREET IS RETAIL. FAST FOOD, A COUPLE RESTAURANTS.

CLOTHING STORES. SOME -- I LIKE TO SAY, SOME LIGHT RETAIL TYPE ACTIVITY. MY OPINION, THIS MECHANIC TYPE BUSINESS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AND JUST ANOTHER THING IS THAT -- CONCERNS ME IS THAT IF THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT GO THROUGH, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING WOULD THEN LEAVE -- IT WOULD BE ZONED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND WOULD LEAVE THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY TO SOME MORE SEVERE USES.

FOR INSTANCE, A RADIO TOWER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE USES THERE AND IT -- THAT'S A CONCERN. SHOULD YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS TODAY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MAKE A CONDITION THAT WITH PER MEGS OF THE TACO CASA OWNER YOU WOULD REQUIRE A FENCE, AN ALLEY, MORE OR LESS TO THE EAST.

AND TO FINISH, I JUST HOPE YOU'LL GIVE FULL CONSIDERATION TO THE UNANIMOUS VOTE MADE BY THE ZONING BOARD. THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?

>> TAMMY FOGLE. SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES OVER A DEFINITION PROBLEM.

A REPUTABLE BUSINESS WANTING TO COME IN.

THEY HAVE A HISTORY BEHIND THEM. THERE'S A LOT OF KNOWNS IN THIS SITUATION AND IN A TIME WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UP AN INVITE BUSINESSES TO COME IN, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A LOT OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH.

I UNDERSTAND RESIDENTS WE WANT TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WEIGHT AROUND US BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS OPEN BETWEEN THE DEFINITION CONFUSION AND REPUTABLE BUSINESS HE'S DISCLOSED CLEARED UP THE CONFUSION I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HAVING TO GO THROUGH SO MANY HOOPS.

WE WENT THROUGH YOUR PROCESS EARLIER I GUESS IT WAS WITH THE BUFFALO GAP ZONING.

LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS FRUSTRATING TO SOMEBODY, SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN THE

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COMPANY MEETS WHAT IS ALREADY OUT THERE, AND WHILE THE DEFINITIONS ARE CONFUSING, HE'S CLARIFIED THAT, THEY CLARIFIED IT, WHY WE CAN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS BUSINESS THAT WILL BRING GOOD THINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND RAISE THE BAR FOR WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW. THAT'S JUST -- I JUST DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD QUIBBLE OVER THIS GENERALIZED DEFINITION SHY WHICH IS BEING FIXED IN THE FUTURE AND MADE MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUSINESSES TO OPEN UP AND BE PRODUCTIVE AND BRING THINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY THAN MAKING IT HARDER TO PROVE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY PROVED IN MY OPINION.

THANK YOU.

>> TILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT?

>> COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS -- I'M AT 6802 HILLSIDE COURT.

THE RED DOT SOUTH OF THE LOCATION.

I SPOKE HERE BEFORE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HERE LAST MONTH AND MY POINTS WERE MADE THERE AND BY MY OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN COURAGEOUS TO SPEAK ON THIS AS WELL. MY MAIN THING BEING, YOU KNOW, GARAGES ARE GREAT. THERE'S PLENTY OF PROPERTIES ON BUFFALO GAP NOT SURROUNDED BY HOUSES THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR A PLACE FOR THIS BUSINESS TO GO.

IT IS GREAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS AREA.

I MEAN EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SHOULD BE USED TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO GROW OUR COMMUNITY. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY'RE PICKING A SPOT THAT IS SURROUNDED BY SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHEN THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I HAVE SEEN PERSONALLY THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO DEVELOP FOR THIS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON 19? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL?

>> VAN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION.

I KIND OF WANT TO GO WHAT SIBLEY ASKED ABOUT.

EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A QUITE LARGE EXPANSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS 1089719.

THAT'S THE PARTIAL KIND OF TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST I GUESS OF THE TACO CASA PARCEL. IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT FOR THIS BUSINESS TO PUT A FENCE ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY? BECAUSE --

>> IT IS NOT UP AGAINST THE

RESIDENTIAL. >> THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO DO

THAT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED DOT 996684 ON THE SOUTH END THERE.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO THE LITTLE DOG LEG THERE THAT'S ACCORDING THE SITE PLAN THEY TURNED IN THAT'S A REDENSE POND.

>> OKAY. >> AND SO FROM THAT FENCE LINE OF THAT CITIZENS BACK FENCE UP ABOUT 130 FEET IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND.

AND THEN TAKE THAT SAME FENCE AND YOU GO TO THE -- WHERE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED ABOUT 308

FEET. >> OKAY.

>> TO WHERE THE BUILDING STARTS. IN THAT LITTLE DLEG THERE'S NO PARKING. IT'S JUST MAINTAIN RETENTION POND.

>> AND HOW LONG HAS THAT SUBSTATION BEEN THERE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA.

>> A LONG TIME.

>> THOSE MAKE NOISE AS WELL?

>>. >> LITTLE HUMMING.

>> THAT'S BEEN THERE. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE DOLLAR GENERAL HAS BEEN THERE?

>> FIVE YEARS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> LOOK, CAN YOU GO BACK A FEW SLIDES TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE ZONING COLOR MAP.

THAT ONE.

>> THIS.

>> THE 62956 IS AO WHICH IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL.

AGAINST THAT PROPERTY LINE.

>> 62856. >> AGRICULTURAL WHICH IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL ZONING. IS IT BASED ON USE?

>> IT'S --

>> I BELIEVE IT'S BASED ON USE.

>> I THINK IT'S BASED ON USE. THAT IS A SUBSTATION RIGHT

THERE. >> BUT RESIDENTIAL CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL ZONING. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT TRIGGERED A FENCE ON THAT PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP IN THE PLANNING OR THE FINAL --

>> THROUGH THE PROCESS YES, SIR.

>> IF YOU CAN GO FORWARD ONE JUST I WANT TO TOUCH BACK ON THAT REPAIR AN MAINTENANCE SERVICES ROBERT FOUND THE PORTION OF THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES THAT AND EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES AUTOMOTIVE -- AUTOMOBILE REPAIRS WITHIN THAT SO THAT DOES NOT GIVE THEM WITH THE EXISTING THE ONLY AUTOMOBILE REPAIR WOULD BE THE MINOR AND NOT THE MAJOR AND SO NOW I UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY THE

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NEED IS THERE FOR THIS CHANGE IN ZONING.

APPRECIATE YOU ALL -- THAT DISTINCTION.

>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION AND SECOND.

>> MOVE. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN

BEARD. >>

SECOND. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCALISTER. READY TO VOTE.

ALL YESES.

MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.

[20. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-02: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner to Change the Zoning of Approximately 0.48 Acres from Central Business (CB) to A Planned Development District (PDD-192), Located At 1066 S. 2nd Street (Tim Littlejohn)]

>>> WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 20 AND ASK VAN WATSON ONCE AGAIN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

>> COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A REZONE REQUEST CASE Z-2025-02. OWNER IS LLOYD.

REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 24 ACHERS FROM A CENTRAL BUSINESS TO 192.

THE PURPOSE OF HIS IS TO ALLOW FOR A DISTILLERY WITHIN CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING. THE LOCATION IS AT 1066 SOUTH SECOND. HERE IS A ZONING MAP.

HERE IS PROPERTY VIEWS. SURROUNDING PROPERTY VIEWS.

THE USES AND CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT ONE IN FAVOR ZERO OPPOSED.

THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE OPERATION PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS OF VAN.

>> AT THIS TIME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 20 GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

ANY CARDS? >> NO CARDS.

SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL?

>> I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD. THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN A LOT OF THINGS OVER THE YEARS AND I THINK LYNN WENT TO HIS FIRST ROCK CONCERT THERE.

>> NOT THE FIRST ONE. I THINK IT'S GREAT TO GET USE.

>> SECOND.

>> YES, SIR. >> AND I JUST WANT TO ADD I THINK THIS IS GREAT USE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. READY TO VOTE.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

>> ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES.

>> MOTION CARRIES.

>> IT IS NOW 10:30 A.M. AND WE WILL RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY SECTION 551. 072 DELIBERATION ABOUT REAL PROPERTY, 551. 073 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS, SECTION 551. 074 PERSONNEL MATTERS AND SECTION 551. 076 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES SECTION 551. 087 BUSINESS PROSPECTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

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