HERE. >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR
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BEING HERE AND SORRY FOR THAT.CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS FINAL FOR THE CITY OF PLATTS, THIS COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY NO LATER THAN 10 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING COULD ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOMMENDATION BY THE CHAIR. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE THE PURPOSE, AND THE NAME. LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. KEVIN, WOULD YOU OPEN US IN A PRAYER?
>> THE LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO BE HERE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. WE ASK THAT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HEAR, IS BEING PRESENTED WITH CLARITY. WE ASK THAT EVERYONE IS FAIRLY HEARD, LORD, AND WE ARE OPEN AND RECEIVE CLARITY TO MAKE REALLY SOUND DECISIONS THAT BLESS EACH PERSON HERE TODAY AND BLESS OUR COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR PEACE THROUGHOUT OUR NATION AND THROUGHOUT OUR WORLD, AND WE PRAY FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE
TODAY IN JESUS'S NAME, AMEN. >> NOW THAT WE ARE OFFICIALLY IN THE MEETING, I WILL STAY ONCE AGAIN THAT ITEM NUMBER 6, ZONING CASE 2025-07, HAS BEEN PULLED FROM TODAY'S MEETING AS IT WILL BE AMENDED AND ADJUSTED AND IT SHOULD BE ON NEXT MEETING, SO THAT WOULD BE OUR APRIL MEETING , SO IN A MONTH. RIGHT NOW,
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IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, OUR MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING. OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW LAST MONTH'S MINUTES? ANY COMMENTS, ANY EDITS? WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON LAST MONTH'S MINUTES? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MINUTES. ALL THOSE THAT APPROVE, SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NO ONE. NEXT CASE,[ZONING]
ZONING CASE TC-2025-01 . I AM GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS CASE, SO MITCH, IF YOU COULD TAKE THE LEAD ON IT, I WOULDAPPRECIATE IT. >> SURE. ABSOLUTELY.
>> TAKE IT AWAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND, I AM FROM THE CITY OF ABILENE, THIS IS CASE TC-2025-01. THIS IS BEING APPLIED FOR BY HENDRICK MEDICAL CENTER. THIS IS THEIR REQUEST TO ABANDON CERTAIN PORTIONS OF NORTH 21ST STREET AND HICKORY STREET, LOCATED AT THE 13 AND 1400 BLOCKS OF NORTH 21ST STREET AND HICKORY STREET EXTENDED 420 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH 21ST AND HICKORY STREET. HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE ABANDONED. IN THIS REQUEST. AND HERE IS A CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY. NOT QUITE UP TO DATE. PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN REZONED RECENTLY TO MEDICAL USE ZONING, AS WELL AS IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED THROUGH SEPARATE CLOSURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THIS TO THE EAST HAS BEEN CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL WITH MORE MEDICAL USE ZONING AS WELL. HERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTY VIEWS. THE CURRENT SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY USED AS HENDRICK MEDICAL CENTER , IT'S A HOSPITAL, AND THEY INTEND TO USE THE AREA JUST SOUTH OF THIS REQUEST AS A PARKING LOT FOR PARKING AT THE HOSPITAL. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE REQUEST AREA , WE RECEIVED NONE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY SHALL BE PLOTTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY STANDARDS, PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL GRANT EASEMENTS FOR ALL EXISTING UTILITIES OR RELOCATE THEM AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE, ANY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD MEET ALL APPLICABLE CITY STANDARDS FOR DESIGN, REVISED DRAINAGE PLANS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE ISLAND, AND APPROVAL SHALL BE GRANTED FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE FOR ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. I
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WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME.>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? >> THE STREETS AROUND THERE ARE PRETTY CHOPPED UP ALREADY. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN QUITE A FEW CLOSURES IN THE PAST. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STREETS HAVE BEEN CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY AS THIS DEVELOPED OVER
THE YEARS? >> I DON'T HAVE THE QUITE EXACT NUMBER OF HOW MANY STREETS HAVE BEEN CLOSED IN TOTAL. I DO KNOW THAT CEDAR STREET, 21ST, AND 19TH STREET AS PART OF THE MAIN CAMPUS OF HENDRICK MEDICAL CENTER HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AS OF 1988. WHERE HENDRICK HOME HEALTH IS, THAT NORTH 19TH STREET ON THE WEST OF HICKORY STREET , HAS BEEN ABANDONED, AS WELL AS ORANGE STREET, EXTENDING NORTH FROM NORTH 21ST STREET, AND CALM PEER BOULEVARD, AS I MENTIONED, HAS BEEN ABANDONED RECENTLY. AND THEN CEDAR AND CYPRUS, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER SOUTH OF THIS REQUEST, HAVE ALSO BEEN ABANDONED. AS PART OF THE
REQUESTS. >> I GUESS FOR THE TIME BEING, THEY ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON ALL OF THE LOTS THERE? IS IT GOING TO BE PARKING OR ARE
THEY DEVELOPING SOMETHING ELSE? >> THAT PORTION HAS BEEN REZONED RECENTLY TO MEDICAL USE ZONING , AND THAT IS TO BE USED AS
PARKING. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. OKAY,
THANK YOU. >> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, ADAM. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER?
>> TIMOTHY SCHMIDT, 1225, TOLL LANE, I AM THE FACILITY DIRECTOR FOR HENDRICK AND ABILENE MARKET. I WANTED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE. IF YOU HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS SIDE OF THE CAMPUS, AND I WOULDN'T THOUGHT YOU IF YOU HADN'T, THIS IS A REALLY BUSY AREA FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY AT OUR SHIFT CHANGE, THAT IS ABOUT 6:30 TO ABOUT 8:00, AND THAT IS BOTH A.M. AND P.M. SO, WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS PARKING ON THE WEST OF HICKORY STREET, LOTS OF PARKING OVER THERE. AT SOME POINT, WE DECIDED THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR CLINICAL STAFF WOULD WEAR DARK NAVY SCRUBS, SO WHEN IT IS DARK OUT, THEY ARE HARD TO SEE. WE HAVE GOT SOME FLASHING CROSSWALK SIGNS THAT HAVE HELPED, BUT WE KNOW OF SEVERAL STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK ON HICKORY STREET. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL NEAR MISSES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WITH MINIMUM MOBILITY CROSSING OVER FROM THE HENDRICK CENTER FOR REHAB BACK AND FORTH TO THE HOSPITAL, AND THEN OUR STAFF DOES RESPOND TO CODES AT THE HENDRICK CENTER FOR REHAB, SO WE DO HAVE FOLKS MOVING ACROSS AGREE WITH PURPOSE WHEN WE ARE NEEDED TO DO SO AT HICKORY CENTER. I'M SORRY, AT THE HENDRICK CENTER FOR REHAB BRIEF DIVISION FOR THIS IS THAT IT BECOMES UNIFIED PARKING BOTH FOR STAFF AND VISITORS TO THE HOSPITAL. WE ARE LIGHT ON PARKING TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE CAMPUS, AND WE FEEL LIKE IF WE ARE GOING TO ADD THAT MUCH JUST IN TRAFFIC, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME AVOIDING INCIDENTS LIKE NEAR MISSES AND FOLKS GETTING HIT. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, THE BULK OF WHICH YOU SEE ON HICKORY IS HOSPITAL TRAFFIC, FOLKS COMING TO AND FROM THE HOSPITAL, AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN CHANGING SOME ROUTES FOR AMBULANCE AND OTHER THINGS, SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS A NET GAIN, BOTH FOR OUR CAMPUS AND FOR FOLKS MOVING THROUGH HERE. IT IS NOT AN AREA THAT YOU MOVE WITH A LOT OF HASTE ANYWAY. I THINK THERE ARE FOUR CURRENT SWAPS BETWEEN NORTH 18TH AND AMBLER, SO IF YOU TRY TO DRIVE THAT DURING ONE OF THOSE BUSY TIMES, YOU END UP WAITING. IT IS A REALLY SLOW PATH TO GET NORTH FROM NORTH 18TH, SO WE ARE HOPING THIS IS MINIMAL AS FOLKS HAVE ALREADY PROBABLY TRAINED THEMSELVES NOT TO USE THIS. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF
>> CORRECT, YEAH, SO WHEN YOU GO NORTH ON HICKORY, IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE MAP, THE NORTHERN EDGE IS AMBLER. DIRECTLY ACROSS IS SIMMONS. A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT CAMPUS. WE DON'T SEE MUCH TRAFFIC COMING UP HICKORY TO GET TO THE CAMPUS, I THINK YOU TEND TO SEE THAT COME SOUTH ON TREADWAY, THEN OVER ON AMBLER, WE ARE APPROACHING ONE OF THE OTHER STREETS INTO THE CAMPUS. HICKORY IS THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT I THINK IT IS MORE AMBLER TO HICKORY THAN IT IS HICKORY ALL THE WAY UP. NOT TO SAY NO ONE DOES IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS A HUGE IMPACT.
>> I TOOK SOME TIME TO GO OVER THERE THIS LUNCH HOUR, JUST WATCH THE TRAFFIC. AND ONE DAY IS HARDLY A COMPREHENSIVE DATA
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SET, BUT IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE ALL THE TRAFFIC I OBSERVED WAS GOING TO HENDRICK. SO THEN I TOOK THE TIME TO DRIVE HICKORY SOUTH TO GET HERE, AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST TIME I DO THAT. A LOT OF STOPLIGHTS. SO, I HAVE NEVER USED HICKORY KIND OF AS AN ARTERIAL STREET, BUT MY CONCERN, AND YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A VIEW OF THE CENTRAL PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE SIMMONS CAMPUS, KIND OF FRAMED BY THE STREET.ARE THERE PLANS TO DEVELOP ANYTHING HERE THAT MIGHT OBSTRUCT THAT VIEW FROM A MILE OR SO DOWN THE STREET?
>> WE ARE IN PLANNING. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT PUTS THE HOSPITAL WING WEST ALL THE WAY TO SIMMONS, AND DOING SOME SORT OF MASSIVE TAKE IN. HENDRICK IS CELEBRATING ITS 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR, WE PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR SEVERAL HUNDRED MORE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LONG-TERM PLANS ARE, BUT KNOWING THAT THE UTILITIES THAT ARE IN THE EASEMENT THERE, IT WOULD MAKE A LARGE-SCALE BUILDING EXTENDING CLEAR ACROSS WHAT IS GREAT HICKORY REALLY DIFFICULT. BUT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO NEED TO MAINTAIN ACCESS FOR OUR FRIENDS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO THAT WE HOPE TO GO SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS WITHOUT NEEDING. BUT IT IS NOT OUR INTENTION TODAY, BUT I WOULD BE DISHONEST IF I PROMISED YOU IT WOULD NEVER COME UP ON A PLANNING.
>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD.
>> UNDERSTOOD GRID AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL. THOSE ARE GOOD PARTNERS OF ARTISTS ACROSS AMBLER, GOT TO STICK TOGETHER, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DIVIDED BY STREETS. SO, WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HURT THEM INTENTIONALLY OR
UNINTENTIONALLY. OR THEIR VIEWS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY
OTHER DISCUSSION? OR EMOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WITH THE CONDITIONS. >> I WILL SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES. >> NEXT UP IS ZONING CASE 2025-04. RECEIVER A PORT, OLD DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC HEARING, AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. LOCATED AT 4397 CRAWFORD DRIVE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS MASON TEEGARDIN. I AM THE DIVINITY KITCHEN MANAGER FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING. THE AGENT IS DEREK PETERSON AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE 2.5 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, LOCATED AT 397 OFFER DRIVE HERE WE HAVE AN AREA LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP. IT IS SURROUNDED BASICALLY ON ALL SIDES, BESIDES THE EAST, WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. HERE WE HAVE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS . AND SOME SURROUNDING PROPERTY VIEWS. WE HAVE THE USES AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING. AS WELL AS THE USES IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN A 200 FOOT BUFFER IN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. LET'S WHAT DO THEY WANT TO DO WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IF THEY CAN'T DO HEAVY
>> SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MASON?
>> THERE IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS ON THAT SITE RIGHT NOW, ARE THEY
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RELOCATING? >> NO, SO THE EXISTING BUSINESS IS STAYING. UM, IT'S LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES COMPANY, WHICH IS STILL PERMITTED IN LI ZONING,
>> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU, MASON. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COMMENT? SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION OR EMOTION?
>> THERE IS QUITE A BIT MORE THEY CAN DO WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I WILL SECOND POINT >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND
MOTION CARRIES. >> NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 4, HOLD THE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO REZONE TO ALLOW FREIGHT CONTAINERS LOCATED AT
4250 RIDGEMONT DRIVE. >> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS CLARISSA, I AM A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT Z-2025-05. THE OWNER IS 1204 LSC THEY ARE HERE SEEKING TO AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW FREIGHT CONTAINERS AT 4250 RIDGEMONT DRIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF RIDGEMONT AND ROLLING GREEN DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT , WHICH GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND RESIDENTIAL JUST TO THE WEST. HERE YOU HAVE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW. THE NEIGHBORING VIEWS, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES , AND TO THE WEST, YOU ALSO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO LAYOUT FOR THE FREIGHT CONTAINERS . WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATION , THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, HE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL FOR THIS CASE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> WHAT WAS STAFFS MAIN RATIONALE BEHIND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL?
>> AS YOU CAN SEE, ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE IS SEVERAL BITS OF ACCUMULATION. ANOTHER THING THAT WE NOTICED , WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS PROPOSED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE IDEOLOGY IN THAT USE , FREIGHT CONTAINERS DON'T REALLY ALIGN WITH WHAT IS EXPECTED WHENEVER YOU GO AND STAY, LIKE VISITORS, SO, THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN. AND ANOTHER THING, ALTHOUGH THERE IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, THAT TYPICALLY ALLOWS FOR FREIGHT CONTAINERS . IN THOSE AREAS, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. IF YOU NOTICE HERE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SCREEN THE FREIGHT CONTAINERS FROM PUBLIC VIEW , GIVEN THEY ARE TAKING UP SEVERAL PARKING SPACES. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT . THERE ARE TWO WORDS ON THE BADGE, YOU CAN SEE THEM A LITTLE BIT ON THIS AREA IMAGE.
IF YOU COME OFF THE DRIVEWAY, PUTTING A FENCE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR PARKING LOT IN THE REAR, IT COULD HINDER TRAFFIC , HOW PEOPLE MANEUVER AROUND THE PARKING LOT. SO, THAT'S WHY SENSING WASN'T REALLY A SUGGESTION TO DO FOR THEM IN THIS INSTANCE. SO, THOSE ARE MAINLY THE BIG CONCERNS IN
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THIS CASE. I DON'T THINK I AM FORGETTING -->> ARE THOSE PARKING SPOTS REQUIRED FOR THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING AND THE OCCUPANCY , ARE THOSE PARKING SPOTS REQUIRED TO MEET THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR THAT
BUILDING? >> CURRENTLY WITH PARKING THAT THEY HAVE, THEY WOULD BE FINE ON OCCUPANT LOAD, BUT THESE WERE ACCRUED PARKING SPOTS IN THEIR SITE PLAN.
>> GOOD JOB. >> THOSE ARE APARTMENTS BACK
BEHIND IT. >> YES, IT IS A TWO STORY BUILDING, SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO DO A FENCING, POTENTIALLY, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX COULD STILL SEE DIRECTLY IN TO THE
FREIGHT CONTAINERS. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG
THOSE HAVE BEEN THERE? >> I SPOKE WITH THE MANAGER WHO WAS ALSO PRESENT, AND DIRECTOR FOR THE HOTEL. THEY ARE BOTH PRESENT. AND THEY TOLD ME THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS . AND ACCORDING TO GOOGLE MAPS, I THINK IT WAS 2017 THAT I KIND OF STARTED SEEING MORE OF THEM .
>> YEAH. THEY ARE BEHIND THE BUILDING. SO, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE PARKING LOT OR DRIVING ON ROLLING GREEN DRIVE TO SEE THE
>> YEAH. I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN THERE QUITE THAT LONG. ARE THERE EASEMENTS ON THE GRASS AREA THAT WILL PREVENT IT FROM -- I DON'T
KNOW, THEM BEING PLACED THERE -- >> YES, SIR, THERE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CURB.
>> RA, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>
IN THIS? >> YES. I HAVE THE APPLICANT ALSO HERE. BUT YES, THAT IS THE SITUATION HERE, IT IS BEING USED
FOR OVERFLOW FURNITURE. >> CLARISSA, WE APPRECIATE YOU.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME
ADDRESS THIS MATTER? >> GOOD AFTERNOON , MY NAME IS ED LASSITER, I'M THE PRESIDENT AND ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE MCM ALIANTE HOTEL CHAIN, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU ALL TODAY. I WILL TELL YOU, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION. MOST OF THOSE CONTAINERS WERE THERE WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE HOTEL IN 2004, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAD BEEN THERE BEFORE THAT. BUT ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION, WE TALKED WITH FOLKS AT THE CITY, AND MISS CLARISSA SAID YOU CAN APPLY FOR RELIEF FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, AND SO, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. I CAN TELL YOU, WE OWN NINE HOTELS. AND I CAN TELL YOU, HOTELS THAT WERE BUILT 40 YEARS AGO DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE, AT LEAST NOT TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH TODAY. 40 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INTERNET, WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND WE UTILIZE THOSE CONTAINERS ON A REGULAR BASIS . 40 YEARS AGO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE 700 COMFORTERS TO DEAL WITH YOUR 350 BEDS THAT YOU HAVE IN A HOTEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, THERE IS A TON OF STUFF THAT WE STORE IN THOSE CONTAINERS OUT THERE. WE -- I HAVE CURRENTLY A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE OF CARPET ON THE WAY , AND AN ACRE OF PAD ON THE WAY, AND WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE CONTAINERS AND BRING IT OUT AND STAGE IT AS WE REPLACE CARPET IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE HOTELS. I HAVE 109 SOFA BEDS THAT ARE STARTING TO BE DELIVERED THIS WEEK, AND THEY GET STAGED INTO THE CONTAINERS, WE PULL THE OLD ONES OUT. AND THAT IS ON THE TWO OR THREE ONES THAT WE TRIED TO KEEP RELATIVELY EMPTY. THE REST OF THEM ARE ABSOLUTELY FULL WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE USE TO OPERATE A FULL-SERVICE HOTEL ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, AND I'M NOT SAYING
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THIS TO SAY EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT, AND SO WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COME PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY, BUT WE DID DRIVE SEVEN HOTELS IN THE AREA AND SIX OF THEM HAVE STORAGE CONTAINERS OUT THERE, AND IT IS NOT -- I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT THE WRONG WAY, I THINK IT IS EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT THESE DAYS. EVEN IN THE LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS, YOU DON'T SEE LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS WITHOUT THEM, HARDLY. ONE OUT OF SIX OR ONE OUT OF SEVEN DID NOT HAVE AND IT WAS A LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL. THREE LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS AT THEM.THEY JUST DON'T BUILD THEM THAT AGE WHERE THEY HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE TO OPERATE THE HOTEL THE WAY THAT THEY NEED TO. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY -- WE RECENTLY CONVERTED 33 OF OUR ROOMS , TOOK THE TUBS OUT, AND PUT SHOWERS IN. I HAVE GOT ABOUT EIGHT HOURS LEFT TO INSTALL , THEY TAKE UP HALF OF A CONTAINER. IS MY TIME ABOUT GOING? X YOU ARE OKAY.
>> WE USE THEM. WHAT I WILL PLEDGE TO DO, IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF PERMISSION TO USE THEM, I WILL MAKE SURE THEY ARE STRAIGHT, THAT THEY ARE PAINTED THE COLOR OF THE HOTEL, THAT THEY ARE KEPT IN GOOD SHAPE, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE AREA. I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS, I SUSPECT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE A CONSIDERABLE TIME MORE THAN THAT. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM IN THE AREA, BUT THOSE GUYS HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME TYPE OF A VARIANCE PERMISSION FOR US TO CONTINUE TO USE THEM ON OUR PROPERTY.
>> HAVE YOU EVER RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS OR
GUESTS? >> NEVER. IN FACT, I THINK THE APARTMENTS BEHIND IT KIND OF LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY KIND OF MAKE A WALL THERE WERE THERE AND NOT LOOKING INTO OUR PARKING LOT. AND WE DO HAVE WAY MORE THAN ADEQUATE PARKING. I HAVE 175 ROOMS, THEY ARE ALL SUITES, SO IT IS KIND OF THE EQUIVALENT OF HAVING THAT 300, 325 ROOMS FOR STORAGE WHEN YOU ARE CLEANING THEM EVERY DAY. BUT IT WILL ONLY HOLD 175 ROOMS. WE
HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS. >> EVEN WITH THOSE CONTAINERS THERE, YOU HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING EVEN WHEN YOU ARE AT FULL
CAPACITY? >> MORE THAN ADEQUATE, EVEN WHEN
WE ARE FULL. >> ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I APPRECIATE YOU BUYING THE ELEGANT, THAT WAS BEEN A STAPLE FOR A LOT OF YEARS. USED TO BE ONE OF THE NICEST HOTELS IN
ABILENE. >> WE HAVE ENJOYED IT AND WE ARE BLESSED WITH SURREAL GOOD FOLKS THERE THAT LIKE TAKING CARE OF OUR GUESTS, AND WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.
>> DO YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS IF WE DENY THESE CONTAINERS? WHAT
WOULD YOU DO IN THAT SCENARIO? >> I WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD SOME KIND OF STORAGE. THE BEAUTY OF THE STORAGE CONTAINERS THAT ARE IN A LINE LIKE THAT IS THEY CAN BE MOVED IN AND OUT. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. I COULD PROBABLY GET RID OF ONE OF THEM. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET RID OF TWO OF THEM.
WE OWN FIVE OF THEM THERE, ONE OF THEM IS LEASED, I WILL MAKE SURE TO GET RID OF THAT ONE REAL FAST. AND LIKE IT IS AT YOUR HOUSE AND EVERY PLACE, MY BARN AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT STORAGE, IT IS GOING TO FILL UP, SO I KNOW WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND REMOVE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT IS IN THERE. AND LOWER THE FOOTPRINT OF IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOBODY SEES IT. FOUR OF THE SIX ARE COLORED THE COLOR OF THE HOTEL. WE WOULD NEED TO REPAINT THE FIFTH AND GET RID OF THE 61, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO REPLACE IT, IT WOULD BE VERY INCONVENIENT, IT WOULD BE TOUGH, AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AND PLANS. WE HAVE GOT WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO WORK. ACTUALLY, I KIND OF HAVE THESE IN EVERY ONE OF OUR HOTELS AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT.
>> WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT FORWARD, BUT ALSO, IS THERE ROOM ON WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT?
>> NO, MA'AM. I MEAN, THERE IS A GRASSY AREA OVER THERE, AND WE HAVE KIND OF A PICNIC AREA FOR GUESTS AND KIDS CAN GO OUT AND PLAY AND A LITTLE SHADED AREA. IT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE. I REALLY THINK THE BEST PLACE FOR THIS IS WHERE IT IS, BACKS UP AGAINST THAT ELECTRICAL RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND UP AGAINST THE CURB ON THE FAR END OF THE PARKING LOT, WHERE IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYBODY'S VISIBILITY, AS FAR AS DRIVING RIGHT THERE CURRENTLY, AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE PARKING LOT ,
EVEN ON DAYS THAT WE ARE FULL. >> WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED THESE
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IN THE PAST IN CERTAIN AREAS TENDS TO BE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL, THAT SORT OF THING. THEY DON'T LOOK VERY ELEGANT.>> NO, AND YOU HAVE GOT A PRETTY GOOD SITE PATH FROM THE BACK OF THOSE APARTMENTS TO THERE, BECAUSE IT IS COMING ACROSS THE EASEMENT AREA THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD LET US DO SOME PLANTINGS IN THAT, WHICH WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO. OR I WOULDN'T MIND BUILDING A FENCE BETWEEN THOSE AND THE APARTMENTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU SEE A GREAT HOTEL, YOU SEE THE SAME COLOR OF THE STORAGE CONTAINERS.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF CODES AND REGULATIONS AND CITY ORDINANCES SURROUNDING THESE. I DO SEE SEVERAL VIOLATIONS , EVEN IF WE WERE TO PROVE IT, I'M SURE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFICATIONS TO MEET THOSE -- TO MEET THOSE ORDINANCES. SO, I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW. I WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO SUCCEED IN THIS LOCATION. I STRUGGLE WITH THESE BECAUSE OF THEIR APPEARANCE AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE KIND OF THE FACE OF OUR COMMUNITY AT THAT ELEGANTE COME TO OUR GUESTS AND OUR VISITORS. WE ARE SEEING THESE EVERYWHERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD A MEETING LIKE THIS THAT DO NOT HAVE ONE
>> AND SO, WE TRIED TO FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION, PERSONALLY.
>> YEAH, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PAINT THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DISAPPEARED INTO THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE, AS FAR AS VISION , VIEW, DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE WILL BE GOOD
NEIGHBORS, TOO. >> DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET
AWAY WITH FOUR OF THEM? >> IF YOU TOLD ME THAT'S WHAT I HAD, I WOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. IF I CAN WAIT NEXT HE DAYS, BECAUSE I HAVE GOT AN ACRE OF CARPET COMING AND AN ACRE OF
PAINT. >> I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY PUSHED DOWN TO THE SOUTH END MORE WHERE THERE IS JUST NOT AS
MUCH VIEW FROM EITHER SIDE -- >> WAS A COMPROMISED IDEA FLOATED TO YOU BY THE PLANNERS, WAS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT CONSOLIDATING THEM IN A AND PUTTING A FENCE AROUND THEM? WAS
THERE ANYTHING DISCUSSED? >> NOT THAT I RECALL.
>> OKAY. >> SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERS.
>> THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT. >> JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT ON THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR, WE MIGHT HAVE TO CALL YOU UP FOR
SOME MORE. >> I APPRECIATE IT.
>> ANYONE ELSE TO COMMENT ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL JUST START BY SAYING I DON'T LIKE IT. I THINK IT IS A TOUGH SITUATION ALL THE WAY AROUND. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG , BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY WERE EVER IN COMPLIANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN OPTION WHERE FOUR OF THEM WERE CONSOLIDATED IN THE CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT WITH A FENCE OR SOME TYPE OF BUFFER, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A LARGE AREA OF GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE APARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BUFFER. I KNOW IT IS NOT A SITE BUFFER, BUT AT LEAST A TYPE B BUFFER, THAT IS A GOOD AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE
BETWEEN THE TWO. >> AND MOST OF THE APARTMENT ONES THAT CAN SEE INTO THIS ARE OVER IN -- THIS AREA HERE. THESE BACK HERE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FACING THIS, THAT'S WHY I SAID IF THEY COULD PUSH THEM DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE AND PUT THEM IN A CORNER AREA, I FEEL LIKE --
>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE.
>> I AM OPEN TO THAT. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK -- I DON'T THINK I CAN SEE A WAY WHERE I COULD SUPPORT THIS, AS MUCH AS I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS GENTLEMEN'S BUSINESS. BECAUSE -- NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS ONE SITE, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REVIEW WHAT WE DECIDE TODAY, THAT WILL BE IN TO HOW WE HAVE TO DECIDE THE NEXT TIME, KIND OF SET A PRECEDENT A LITTLE BIT. AND I DON'T SEE A WAY FOR THESE TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
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SHIPPING CONTAINERS , AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEAVE THEMWHERE THEY ARE SITTING. >> NO.
>> MY COMMENTS WERE ALMOST MORE SPEAKING TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OR COMPROMISE.
>> SO, I THINK RATHER THAN US TRY TO DO THAT -- I WOULD BE -- I WOULD BE IN FAVOR PERSONALLY OF KIND OF TABLING THIS AND GIVING THE OWNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME VISIT WITH US NEXT MONTH WITHOUT HAVING TO APPLY AND SPEND THE MONEY. MAYBE COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION, SOME IDEAS, SO WE DON'T PUT HIM IN A BIND TO HAVE TO GET RID OF THESE IMMEDIATELY. GIVE US SOMETHING
TO CONSIDER BESIDES JUST KNOW. >> RIGHT. I AGREE.
>> IS THAT FEASIBLE? >> WHO WOULD NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE? WHO WOULD NEED TO PROPOSE THE TABLING?
>> ANYONE ON THE BOARD COULD. YOU MAY ASK THE APPLICANTS OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE. YOU MAY TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU CHOOSE. I MEAN, LEGALLY, YOU CAN TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT
MEETING. >> THAT WOULD SAVE HIM HAVING TO APPLY AGAIN AND DO ADDITIONAL FEE , IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HE WOULD OR WOULDN'T DO, BUT --
>> WELL, BUT WOULD WE CHARGE HIM TO COME BACK?
>> SO, JUST WORK SHOPPING THIS OUT, SO WE TABLE IT TO NEXT MONTH. WHAT AS A BOARD ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH EXACTLY IN
DOING THAT? >> IF I WERE TO MAKE THAT MOTION, MICHAEL WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THIS. AND GIVE US SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER BESIDES JUST TELLING HIM , AS OF TOMORROW, BIG ISSUE FOR YOU TO GO FORWARD IN YOUR BUSINESS. THAT WOULD BE MY REASON FOR MAKING THAT MOTION IF I DO MAKE IT. I AM OPEN TO
HEARING OTHER IDEAS. >> SHOULD WE ASK ? EX I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR, WOULD YOU COME UP? I WILL TELL YOU, AS A CITY, WE ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM SHIPPING CONTAINERS BEHIND BUILDINGS. THAT BEING SAID, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG OPERATING BUSINESS. WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GIVE A MONTH FOR A SOLUTION FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH THAT CAN BE PROPOSED TO BOTH THE PLANNERS, AND THEN BROUGHT BEFORE US, RATHER THAN TO DO AN OUTRIGHT DENIAL TODAY, HICH I THINK -- THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS OF HOW WE WOULD PROBABLY VOTE IF WE WERE TO VOTE TODAY. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO US TABLING AND COMING BACK
NEXT MONTH? >> I AM OPEN TO THAT AND I AM ASSUMING YOU MEAN THAT I WOULD GET WITH CLARISSA OR WITH THE CITY AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION, WHICH COULD BE RELOCATING THEM OR FINDING A WAY TO SCREEN THEM OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT NATURE. REDUCTION, RELOCATION, SCREENING, SOMETHING
TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE. >> AND I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE IDEAS OF WHAT OTHER PLACES HAVE DONE. AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS A RELATIVELY COMMON PROBLEM, AS KEVIN HAS BROUGHT UP.
>> I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
INAUDIBLE ] >> TRIED TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS BENCH. THEREFORE, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE
TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH'S -- >> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ZONING CASE Z-2025-06 . PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION AND REQUEST ON THE ORDER TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO MEDIUM DENSITY, LOCATED AT 3073 HICKORY STREET KERA?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS KERA VALOIS, I'M A CITY PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY, I AM PRESENTING CASE Z-2025-06 , AGENT IS MASSEY. REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
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MEDIUM DENSITY. LOCATED AT 3073 HICKORY. HERE WE HAVE AN AERIAL MAP. THEY DO OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, AS WELL. THE ZONING MAP. HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROPERTY VIEWS. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING. PERMITTED USES AND MEDIUM DENSITY. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT IN A 200 FOOT BUFFER AND WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, AND GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. ANYQUESTIONS? >> I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE BETWEEN THE MEDIUM DENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL IS CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE MULTIPLE FAMILIES, IS THAT THE PLAN FOR THIS?
>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS? I BELIEVE THIS IS THE HOUSE IS APPEALING GROUP THAT CREATES TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING AT THE HOSPITAL, I THINK IT IS A CHANCE TO HAVE MORE OF THEIR SMALL HOUSES ON THEIR ADJOINING LOTS TO ALLOW -- TO HELP MORE FAMILIES. SO, EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES IS KIND OF TAKEN CARE OF BY A LOCAL CHURCH OR DIFFERENT THINGS, SO I THINK IT IS JUST ABOUT AMOUNT OF PLOTS YOU CAN
>> AND THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOME GOOD DONATIONS AND BEEN ABLE
UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUE. >> THAT'S NEEDED.
>> VERY MUCH SO. >> MOTION. ANY SECOND?
>> I SECOND. >> MOTION CARRIES.
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