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ORDER. THIS IS THE ABILENE LANDMARKS COMMISSION.
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THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF LOCAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THE COMMISSION ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF HISTORIC OVERLAY ZONING.HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR APPROVAL ON CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS IN HISTORIC PROJECT TAX REDUCTION CASES. DECISIONS REGARDING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS MAY BE APPEALED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY WRITTEN REQUESTS TO THE PLANNING OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE, NO LATER THAN 15 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING.
NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING.
THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM.
ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
[1. Minutes: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing and Take Action on Approving the Minutes from the Regular Meeting Held on June 24, 2025.]
FIRST THING, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? IF YOU'LL IF ANYONE'S BEEN ABLE TO READ THEM AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.YEAH, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
I SECOND, I GUESS YOU DO NEED TO OPEN THE HEARING.
THE YOU NEED TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS FIRST.
OH, OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THIS ANYMORE. SO I'VE STOPPED DOING IT BECAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE.
IT'S ON. IT'S ON THE MINUTES. OKAY. BEFORE. BEFORE WE OPEN THE MINUTES.
MINUTES. IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ON INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT ARE JUST ON THE MINUTE, JUST. OKAY, IF THERE'S ANY COMMENT, COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY OUT IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. CLOSE THE COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES, AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THE AGENDA ITEMS.
[2. CA-2025-02: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request for Certificate of Appropriateness (CA) for the following: To add concrete patio and ADA compliant ramp to west end of building to match the east end, alternatively to add entrance and ADA compliant ramp on north side of the building, removing a window and replacing two or more with glass; new west awning to match the east awning, which shall be over the top of the existing west awning; replace two wood bay doors on north side with glass to match existing replacements.]
WE JUST HAVE ONE TODAY. SEE A202502. RECEIVE A REPORT.TO ADD CONCRETE PATIO AND ADA COMPLIANT RAMP TO WEST END OF BUILDING TO MATCH THE EAST END ULTRA.
ALTERNATIVELY, TO ADD ENTRANCE AND ADA COMPLIANT RAMP ON NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, REMOVING A WINDOW AND REPLACING TWO OR MORE WITH GLASS. NEW WEST AWNING TO MATCH THE EAST AWNING, WHICH SHALL BE OVER THE TOP OF THE EXISTING WEST AWNING. REPLACE TWO WOOD BAY DOORS ON NORTH SIDE WITH GLASS TO MATCH EXISTING REPLACEMENTS.
AND THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT OUR LAST MEETING, SO I NEED A MOTION TO UNSTABLE.
IT TO UNSTABLE. TO 202502. I SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE AYE AYE AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? AND THEN WE WILL OPEN THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CARA VALOIS. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
TODAY I'M REPRESENTING KCA 2020 502. THE OWNER IS CHARLES WOLFF.
AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND PROPOSAL FOR AN ADA COMPLIANT RAMP ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH CREATES NEW ENTRANCE AND REPLACE TWO WOOD BAY DOORS WITH GLASS TO MATCH EXISTING REPLACEMENTS. LOCATED AT 901 NORTH FIRST.
THE TMP FREIGHT BUILDING, BUILT IN 1929, IS A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE WITH A CENTERED ENTRANCE, THREE FACADE BAYS AND A DECORATIVE BANDING BELOW THE PARAPET.
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THE BUILDING WAS ALMOST LOST IN 1989 DUE TO A THREE ALARM FIRE.HERE WE HAVE THE LOCATION MAP. THE AERIAL MAP.
THE ZONING MAP. PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE STEPS.
HERE YOU HAVE THE BAY DOORS AND THEN THE AWNING AND STEPS AGAIN.
THIS WAS THE INITIAL PROPOSED SKETCH. HERE WE HAVE THE NEW OPTION ONE.
HERE WE HAVE THE NEW OPTION TWO.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. HERE IS THAT OPTION ONE DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL? SO THEY'VE CHANGED THE LANDING ON IT AND THEN THEY'VE MADE IT SMALLER.
OKAY. THIS WAS THE INITIAL ONE. AND THEN HERE IS THE NEW ONE.
HOW MUCH SMALLER SO IS THAT IS THAT LITTLE OUTLINE THAT GOES OUT THERE? WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OUTSIDE THE BLUE? I KIND OF CAN'T SEE IT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE. I THINK THOSE ARE JUST CALLING GRIDLINES WITH THE LITTLE BUBBLES OFF TO THE LEFT, AND THEN THE DIMENSION LINES FOR THE WHAT IT APPEARS IS THE BLUE BLUES, THE RAMPING AND THE REDS.
THE STAIR. YES. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION TWO. OPTION TWO WOULD BE PART WAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT IS WHY STAFF WENT WITH OPTION ONE.
THAT'S ALREADY TO THE EAST? WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THE ENCROACHMENT.
THEY HAVE TO GET FURTHER PERMISSION. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH OPTION ONE.
FOR OPTION TWO. OPTION TWO? I DO BELIEVE SO. OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN PRESENTED.
WHERE WHERE ARE THOSE WINDOWS? THE BAY DOORS RIGHT HERE.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE SAME THING AS REMOVING A WINDOW VERSUS THE PLURAL.
IT IS, IT DOES SAY ON ON THE AGENDA ITEM. IT MENTIONS BOTH WINDOWS REPLACING TWO OR MORE WITH GLASS, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS TWO WOOD BAY DOORS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE SAME. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THOSE AREN'T IDENTIFIED ANYWHERE ON THE DRAWINGS WE HAVE.
CORRECT. I DON'T SEE ANY IDENTIFICATION FOR THOSE.
YEAH. WHICH TWO OF THE FOUR ARE INTENDED TO BE REPLACED THAT ARE WOODEN? BELIEVE IT'S THE TWO MIDDLE ONES THAT ARE PLANNING ON BEING REPLACED.
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AN OPTION ONE REPLACES ONE OF THOSE WITH DOORS.CORRECT. OPTION TWO DOES I MEAN OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE CONFUSED THE WHOLE TIME.
OPTION TWO IS THAT. SO DOES THAT TAKE ONE MORE OF THE DOORS OUT? SO IT ONE IS REPLACED WITH DOORS FOR THE RAMP, AND THEN TWO MORE ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED FOR WINDOWS THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. OKAY. BUT OPTION TWO IS I MEAN, WE'RE NOT WE HAVEN'T POSTED ON THAT.
I MEAN, OPTION ONE IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION CORRECT? YES, SIR. THE WITH THE MIDDLE TWO WOODEN DOORS ARE REPLACED WITH THE REMAINING WOODEN DOORS. BE REHABBED OR. BECAUSE IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE.
ALL OF THEM ARE IN. THE WOOD IS DETERIORATED.
I'M NOT SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT AND OPEN THE THE MEETING UP TO THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
CORNER TAYLOR. I LIVE ON 3549 CURRY LANE. I AM THE LOCAL RESIDENT RAILROAD HISTORIAN FOR ABILENE AND TAYLOR COUNTY THROUGH THE TAYLOR COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND LAST TIME WE MET I SPOKE ON A PASSAGE THAT I HAD WRITTEN FOR THE GRACE MUSEUM AS PART OF THEIR EXHIBIT.
I WAS SELECTED AS A GUEST CURATOR FOR THAT EXHIBIT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO RECANT THAT FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL.
THE DEPOT HAD BEEN SPOTTED TO BE BUILT ONLY 15FT FROM THE CURB OF PINE STREET.
HOWEVER, THE BUSINESS MEN REQUESTED IT BE PUSHED BACK TO 50 OR 100FT.
SO THAT PASSENGERS AS THEY CAME INTO TOWN ON THE TRAIN WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE FULL BREADTH OF PINE STREET AND THE BUSINESSES ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST SIDE. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE NO MORE PASSENGER TRAINS THAT COME IN THROUGH TOWN, BUT PART OF THAT REASON FOR THEM MOVING IT WAS TO THROUGH THEIR PRIDE IN ABILENE AND THE BUSINESSES IN WHICH THEY ALL OWNED AND INTERACTED WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND I THINK ANYTHING THAT IS PUT ON THAT FRONT FACADE, WHICH IS THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE PORTION OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE IN DISRESPECT TO EARLY WISHES OF OUR EARLIEST BUSINESSMEN. AND BASED ON WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS NOW, THAT WAS CLEARLY ACCEPTED AND DONE BY TMP THROUGH THEIR REQUEST.
I DID WANT TO STATE THAT THIS STRUCTURE WAS BUILT FROM 1917 TO 1918, NOT 1929.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE TEXAS AND PACIFIC GRANDE FROM NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA, ALL THE WAY TO EL PASO, TEXAS, AND ABILENE IS THE ONLY REMAINING TOWN ALONG THEIR LINES IN WHICH HAS MORE THAN TWO BUILDINGS, SO EVEN THEIR HEADQUARTERS AT MARSHALL, TEXAS OR FORT WORTH, TEXAS, STILL HAS LESS BUILDINGS THAN ABILENE HAS.
SO ABILENE SHOULD TAKE PRIDE IN THAT. AND A LOT OF RAILROAD ENTHUSIASTS MAKE THAT A VERY IMPORTANT NOTE TO HAVE FOR ABILENE. AND THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES FOR MOST OF TAPPS LINE HAD A GENERAL STRUCTURE, BUT A LOT OF THEM WERE UNIQUE TO THAT TOWN. AND SUCH IS THE CASE FOR ABILENE FOR ALL THREE OF OUR STRUCTURES.
SO. ANY QUESTIONS I DO, HOW MUCH MONEY OR REVENUE IS BROUGHT IN BECAUSE OF THESE BUILDINGS? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE OWNER AND HAVING A RAMP LIKE, SET THAT ASIDE. LIKE, HOW MUCH REVENUE DOES THIS BRING IN FOR THE CITY? IS IT THAT IMPACTFUL? I CAN'T SPEAK ON ANY OF THAT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNTY PUBLIC? YES YOU DO. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.CHARLIE WOLF, 201 MESQUITE STREET, ABILENE, TEXAS 79601.
I WENT TO THE GRACE THE OTHER DAY. SAW THE EXHIBIT.
YOU GUYS ALL ALL GO OPPOSITE THE WALL THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO WAS ANOTHER LITTLE PLAQUE THAT WAS DONE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CITIES AROUND DALLAS PAID THE RAILROAD TO MOVE THE TRACKS TO WHERE THEY WANTED THEM TO GO. SO IT WAS VERY COMMON IN THOSE DAYS TO GREASE THE WHEEL, SO TO SPEAK.
THE OTHER INTERESTING NOTE IS THAT THE THREE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO DALLAS TO TALK TO THE RAILROAD ABOUT MOVING IT BACK A LITTLE BIT ONE OF THEM OWNED THE BANK, WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BANK.
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON THE CORNER OF NORTH FIRST AND PINE.
IT WAS THE CITIZEN'S NATIONAL BANK. AND THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME WAS ONE OF THE THREE PEOPLE. AND, OF COURSE HE WOULD NATURALLY WANT FULL VISIBILITY OF HIS BANK AND THE SIGNAGE OF HIS BANK. VISIBLE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE COMING IN TO TOWN.
THE VICTORS ALWAYS WRITE THE HISTORY BOOKS, BUT THE THE REALITY OF IT WAS THAT THERE WAS A BANK ON THAT CORNER, AND THE BANK PRESIDENT WENT TO DALLAS AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT DID GET MOVED BACK A LITTLE BIT IN THEIR PLANS AND WHETHER HE TOOK A SUITCASE OF MONEY OR IF HE JUST APPEALED TO THEIR COMMON SENSE OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE CITY HAS IS LOCKED OUT NOW. BUT THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE SPURS THAT THAT WENT WITH THE FREIGHT WAREHOUSE WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE WAREHOUSE.
AND SO ALL THE WAY TO THE OFFICE AREA. AND SO IT WAS CALLED A FREIGHT WAREHOUSE.
IT WASN'T CALLED THE FREIGHT OR THE TEMP OFFICE.
IT WAS CALLED THE FREIGHT WAREHOUSE. AND THE WAREHOUSE WAS THE MAIN THING THAT THE BUILDING WAS FOR.
I MEAN, IT WAS WHAT IT WAS FOR. AND THAT'S WHY ALL THOSE DOORS ON, ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE ARE FOR WAS TO UNLOAD THE TRAIN FROM THE SPURS THAT RAN RIGHT NEXT TO THE, TO THE PORCH ON THE NORTH SIDE AND LOAD IT INTO THE BUILDING AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOAD IT BACK OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND I'M GOING TO CAN I HAVE SOME MORE TIME? THANK YOU.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THINGS IN FRONT OF THOSE DOORS IS, TO ME, VERY DISRESPECTFUL.
AND THAT'S THE TO ME, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT BUILDING WAS TO FACILITATE FREIGHT COMING IN AND OUT. IT WASN'T TO SHOW OFF OF A PINK BIRD.
SO IT WAS TO FACILITATE FREIGHT AND PUTTING THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, IF YOU WILL IN THE FRONT AND COVERING UP THOSE LOADING RAMPS THAT THE TRUCKS UNLOADED FROM, I THINK, TOOK AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
AND SO IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ON FIRST STREET, YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FOR MOST OF ITS DAYS BECAUSE THEY HAD IT WAS COVERED UP WITH TREES. AND WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT, THERE WAS AN AWNING UNDERNEATH OVER ONE OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU COULD SEE IN THAT PICTURE. IN 1918 PARADE, YOU COULD SEE YOU COULDN'T SEE THE FRONT PORCH IN THAT PICTURE BECAUSE THE TREES WERE COVERING IT UP.
BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT WINDOW ON THE FAR NORTH WINDOW AND IT HAD A NICE AWNING OVER IT.
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THAT WAS COMMON IN THOSE DAYS. THE. DEPENDING ON WHEN IN HISTORY YOU WANT TO GO WILL DICTATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARCHITECT AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU WILL SEE.I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE THE YELLOW PAINT CAME FROM.
BECAUSE IN ALL THE PICTURES I'VE SEEN, IT'S MORE OF A WHITISH COLOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE WERE MANY PICTURES OF A AWNING ON THE EAST END, AND YOU HEARD RICK SAY, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS ANY. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S TAR AND STUFF LEFT ON THE SIDE OF THE BRICKS WHERE OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN AWNING OVER THERE, A COVERED PORCH, IF YOU WILL, THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 40S AND 50S.
AND SO DEPENDING ON WHAT HISTORY YOU GO BACK TO, THEY TOTALLY DISREGARDED THAT HISTORY WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW AWNING IN THE, IN THE REMODEL. AND SO IT JUST KIND OF GETS BACK TO WHERE, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO, DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO 1918 WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN THAT ERA? OR DO YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE 40S AND 50S OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN? GIVE ME A CLUE AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU ASKED FOR MORE OPTIONS.
OKAY. AND SO I PULLED OUT THESE TWO OPTIONS THAT THAT RICK HAD DONE FOR A PROSPECT.
AND HE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM TEARING ONE OF THOSE DOORS OUT THEN AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S A PROBLEM TODAY OF TEARING ONE OUT AND PUTTING GLASS IN OBVIOUSLY IN THIS OPTION TO YOU. TOTALLY ELIMINATE ONE OF THE THE BAY DOORS AND DO AWAY WITH THE LOADING RAMP ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING BY DOING IT THAT WAY.
AND OPTION ONE, YOU TOTALLY DO AWAY WITH THE STEPS, SOMEBODY.
THE STEPS GO RIGHT UP TO THE TO THE DOOR AND THEN WALK YOUR IN AND THE DOOR OPENS IN INSTEAD OF OUT.
AND SO THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS THERE. WHETHER YOU DO A LITTLE PORCH OR A BIGGER PORCH, IT BECOMES SEMANTICS AS TO, YOU KNOW WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? IT'S, YOU KNOW I WAS REMINDED OF A CRUDE STORY, BUT I WON'T TELL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DEGREES OF THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO SO FAR WITH IT, THEN WHY? WHY STOP THERE? WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BIG TREES OUT FRONT BLOCKING THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THE FRONT OF THE OR THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE WEST END OF THE BUILDING? BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY VIEWED AS A FRONT. IT'S 901 NORTH FIRST.
AND SO IT'S NOT PINE STREET. IT'S. IT'S NORTH FIRST.
HAS ALWAYS BEEN 901 NORTH FIRST. AS FAR AS I CAN GO BACK FOR.
SO IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT MAY BE QUOTE UNQUOTE, A PRIMARY ENTRANCE OR WHATEVER THE TERMINOLOGY WAS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS A SECONDARY FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING.
THE MAIN FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING WAS TO HAUL FREIGHT IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT.
AND THE GLASS GIVES YOU A ILLUSION OF IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND YOU SEE GLASS ON BOTH SIDES OF OF THOSE BAYS BEING OPEN, THEM BEING BOARDED UP DOESN'T GIVE YOU THAT ILLUSION AT ALL.
YOU CAN'T PICTURE IN YOUR MIND WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON WITH THOSE WOODEN DOORS THERE? FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO RESTORE A COUPLE OF THEM BUT THE, THE ONE THERE BY THE STAIRS INSIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE FROM THE RIGHT.
NOW, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING HAD SKYLIGHTS IN IT, AND THOSE SKYLIGHTS ARE STILL IN THE REST OF THE BUILDING IN THE ONE STORY PART OF THE BUILDING. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CRAZY BECAUSE THE, THE, THERE WAS THERE WAS NO GLASS IN THEM.
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BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY REDID THE ROOF ON IT, THEY JUST PUT A LITTLE PIECE OF PLYWOOD ON TOP OF IT AND LEFT THIS BIG OLD HUGE SKYLIGHT UP THERE LIKE IT WAS GOING TO GET RESTORED OR SOMETHING.AND IT WASN'T UNTIL UNTIL I BOUGHT IT THAT THOSE, THOSE VENTS, IF YOU WILL, WERE SEALED UP.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT IN THE, IN THE BUILDING HISTORY IS THE HIGH UTILITIES.
THE NEW ROOF THAT WAS PUT ON RIGHT PRIOR TO MY PURCHASE HAS FOUR INCHES OF ISO INSULATION, SO IT'S GOT ALL THE SPECS AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF, BUT LEFT THESE BIG OLD, HUGE HOLES IN THE ROOF WITHOUT ANY INSULATION.
THEY DO HAVE A TIN TEN CAP ON THE TOP OF IT, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO MAKE THE WEST END OR THE EAST WEST END MORE ACCESSIBLE AND TO TO BOTH NORMAL PEOPLE AND HANDICAPPED PEOPLE, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU CAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU CALL NON HANDICAPPED PEOPLE THESE DAYS, BUT WHATEVER.
QUESTIONS FOR MISTER WOLF. WHICH OPTION DO YOU PREFER? WHICH OPTION IS IT THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO DO? THE I THINK A A TWIST BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND OPTION ONE.
WOULD BE A PREFERRED MEANS OF DOING SOMETHING.
SO IF WE HOPEFULLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND SAY WE WENT WITH OPTION ONE, DO YOU THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF TO AS FAR AS WHEN YOU SAY TAKE AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN NORTH FIRST? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? LIKE? IT'S A LANDMARK BUILDING, AND I THINK I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU BOUGHT THE BUILDING, THE CITY TURNED IT INTO A LANDMARK AFTER YOU PURCHASED IT.
YOU DON'T USE THE GRANTS, YOU DON'T USE THE TAX CREDITS.
I HAVEN'T SO FAR. I MEAN AND THE HISTORIC IS STILL NOT ON THE ON THE BACK HALF.
AND SO YOU KNOW IT. CAN CAN WE HAVE CLARITY ON THE LANDMARK STATUS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CORRECT INFORMATION.
I KNOW WE GOT IT LAST TIME, BUT. SO, MR. WOLF, WHEN DID YOU BUY THE BUILDING? HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED IT? HOW MANY YEARS? I DON'T KNOW, 5 OR 6? SEVEN. OKAY. GIVE OR TAKE. MASON, WHEN WAS HISTORIC OVERLAY ZONING PUT ON THIS BUILDING? HISTORIC OVERLAY WAS PUT ON IT IN 1996. OKAY, BUT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE.
THEY DIDN'T LET THE TAX OFFICE KNOW UNTIL A YEAR AGO OR SO.
OH, SO THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY WITH THE CITY AS FAR AS THAT GOES? YOU YOU TELL ME. I MEAN, I'M JUST JUST TRYING.
AND THEY STILL DON'T TAX THE PARKING LOT THAT WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ZONED THAT WAY.
HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT ABOUT THAT? YES. AND THEY SAY THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
IT IS A CITY THING. IT IS CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT IT'S NOT CHANGING THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING OR THE LANDMARK ITSELF OR CHANGING ANYTHING.
IT'S MAKING IT USABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. CORRECT? YES. AND IF WE NEED TO PLANT TREES IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE BUILDING INSTEAD OF PUTTING A COVER OVER IT THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY ANOTHER OPTION. EITHER WAY, I MEAN, TREES WILL TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS THE FRONT OR THE THE
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WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR ME TYPE OF PASSING BY.YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YOU TELL ME, YOU KNOW.
YOU WANTED MORE OPTIONS. YOU GOT MORE. IF YOU STILL WANT MORE AFTER THIS.
I MEAN, I'LL BE GLAD TO. WHATEVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DONE.
THESE TWO DRAWINGS WERE DONE BY YOU KNOW HISTORICAL ARCHITECT AND ALL THAT.
THEY WERE DONE A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHEN I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET A A PERSON IN THERE AND THEY DECIDED TO GO ACROSS THE, THE, THE STREET WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE WITH OPTION ONE? THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME? SO IS THIS TIME.
OPTION ONE IS. OPTION ONE HAS A LOT LESS PORCH ON IT.
OKAY. IS IS THE REAL CRUX OF IT. AND SO THE, THE, THE PORCH IS CONSIDERABLY SMALLER OR THE SURFACE AREA. SO THERE IS NO SITTING OUT THERE IN OPTION ONE, WHERE THE ORIGINAL OPTION HAD A DECK WHERE YOU COULD ENJOY THE OUTSIDE AND, AND BE OUT THERE AND BE VISIBLE.
OPTION ONE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SITTING AREA WHATSOEVER.
IS STRICTLY A IN THE YOU KNOW DOES THE NEW OPTION ONE DO THE DIMENSIONS? THERE WAS A PHOTO EARLIER OF WHERE THE FLAMINGO IS IN THE CIRCULAR GRASS AREA.
WILL IT ENCROACH ONTO THAT GRASS AREA? I THINK IT IT HITS THE EDGE OF IT.
BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR LANDING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE AT LEAST FIVE FEET DEEP AND THEN YOUR HANDICAP RAMP ITSELF IS GOING TO BE ABOUT FIVE, AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A FOOT OF, OF BORDERS.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO FIVE, TEN, 1211, 12, 13.
AND I THINK THAT RIGHT. THE GRASS STARTS AROUND.
AROUND THAT. SO IT'LL JUST BE ON THE EDGE OF IT.
WOULDN'T BE MUCH INTO THAT OPTION. ONE SHOULDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE FLAMINGO THAT THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THIS BUILDING. CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO TRADE IT FOR THE CHOO CHOO TRAIN OUT FRONT.
I THINK IT'D BE A HECK OF A DEAL. AND IT FITS MORE WITH CITY HALL THAN IT WAS.
AND THEN THE TRAIN WOULD FIT MORE WITH THE TRAIN TRACKS. SO I THINK IF WE COULD DO A SWAP, THAT WOULD BE SUPER AND THERE'S NO CANOPY. NO NEW CANOPY IN OPTION ONE.
CORRECT. IT'S JUST THE EXISTING CANOPY. THAT'S CORRECT.
REHABILITATED. YEAH. UNTIL IT IT THE THE CCA PRESENTED SAYS NEW WEST AWNING TO MATCH THE EAST AWNING. STILL ON THIS CAR. WELL SO IS IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE PRESENTING? THAT OPTION ONE STILL HAS A COVERED A NEW COVERED AWNING OVER THE EXISTING HISTORICAL ONE.
NO OPTION ONE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PORTS TO MESS WITH ANY TYPE OF COVERING.
OPTION ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SITTING AREA TO TO NEED ANY TYPE OF COVERING.
YOU KNOW OKAY. SO SO OPTION ONE IS STRICTLY A GET THEM IN THE DOOR.
OKAY. LET'S NOT STAY OUTSIDE. LET'S NOT YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING.
AND ALSO OPTION TWO, DOES IT HAVE ANY KIND OF AWNING OR IS IT JUST.
YES. OPTION TWO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MIRROR OF THE OTHER.
OKAY. THE OTHER THING. SO YOU WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD HAVE THE THE MEADOW, YOU KNOW, LEAN TO THE TYPE OF THING JUST LIKE THE OTHER SIDE DOES. I MEAN, THE OTHER ONE THAT'S FARTHER DOWN.
DOES THAT ALREADY EXISTS? YES IT DOES. IT'S A LITTLE SMALL ONE TO KEEP RAIN OFF THOSE DOORS, I GUESS. I MEAN, NOW THE DOORS ARE INSERTED IN IN OR THEY'RE INSIDE THE, THE THE OUTER WALLS BY.
YEAH. AND SO I GUESS IT COULD, COULD DO THAT OR KEEP THE SUN OFF THE DOORS IF THE, THE SUN WAS IN THE NORTH HAVE A LITTLE AWNING BUT THE ONE THAT ALREADY EXISTS. SO ON OPTION ONE I REMEMBER LAST TIME AND YOU CAN MAYBE REMIND ME, I THINK YOU WANTED SOME FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING PERHAPS TWO TENANT SPACES WITHIN THE FLOOR AREA. THAT WAS PART OF THE IDEA. AS YOU GET TWO ENTRANCES, TWO SPACES, ESSENTIALLY.
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THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE OFFICE PART IN THE OFFICE OF MY UNDERSTANDING WAS JUST IN THE SECOND FLOOR ANYWAY. BUT THAT PART OF THE BUILDING, THE TWO STOREY PART OF THE BUILDING, HAS A A INSIDE DOOR OR INSIDE WALL THAT SEPARATES IT FROM THE MAIN SPACE, IF YOU WILL.AND THEN WITHIN THE MAIN SPACE, WHEN YOU GET DOWN CLOSE TO WHERE THE OTHER ENTRANCE IS ON NORTH, FIRST THERE'S ANOTHER WALL. AND SO THAT MIDDLE AREA IS EFFECTIVELY A NO MAN'S LAND.
IF THE TENANT ON THE WEST ONLY NEEDS THAT 4000FT² OR SO, THAT'S ON THAT WEST SIDE.
SO IN THAT CASE, I'M JUST CURIOUS. THE DOORS ARE THE EXISTING DOORS.
THEY SWING IN OR OUT ON THAT BUILDING ON THE WEST END.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION OR THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE DOORS WHENEVER YOU MAKE THAT A PRIMARY ENTRANCE? BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS CORRECT THAT THEY WOULD BE OUT SWING DOORS AT THAT POINT, WHICH MEANS NEW DOORS? YES, SIR. AND THEN THAT OPENS UP ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS. YEAH. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD HAVE HAD WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW I'M SURE IT WOULD BE HISTORICAL GLASS DOORS.
I, YOU KNOW, I JUST NEED SOME SOME DIRECTION AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER DO AND WHAT WOULD WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO? I'M NOT AWARE.
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT MIDDLE AREA.
AND NO MATTER WHETHER YOU DO OPTION ONE OR 2 OR 3 OR.
OPTION ZERO YOU KNOW, OPTION ZERO AT LEAST GOT YOU ON THE BACK PORCH ALSO.
SO YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT HANDICAP RAMP THAT YOU JUST GOT THROUGH BUILDING FOR ACCESS TO THE TO THE BACK PORCH, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THE MIDDLE PART FAIRLY EASILY ON ON THE INTERIOR.
THE DIAGRAM. CAN WE PUT OPTION ONE BACK UP ON THE SCREEN? IF YOU. SO IF YOU ENTERED ON THE WESTERN SIDE THROUGH A HANDICAP RAMP THERE.
IT'S SHOWING LIKE DOORS TO THE BACK PORCH. THE COVERED BACK PORCH? YEAH. YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT OTHER TENANT SPACE, WHICH IS FROWNED UPON BY THE CITY.
HOW HOW FAR DOES THE TENANT SPACE DO YOU WANT TO GO? IT SHOWS. IT SHOWS THREE, THREE DOORS. ONE IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE KIND OF OFFICE SPACES THE TWO STORY ENDS.
RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THOSE STAIRS. THOSE INTERNAL STAIRS.
RIGHT THERE. OKAY. AND THOSE THAT LITTLE OTHER THING IS SOME OLD TIMEY SCALES THAT DON'T THAT ARE ALL BOARDED UP NOW. TYPE OF THING. AND SO THOSE ARE INSIDE THE, THE, THE THE BIG AREA IF YOU WILL.
SO YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE SPACE IN INSIDE THOSE INTERNAL WALLS RIGHT THERE ON THE WEST END. THE BUILDING IS LOGICALLY DIVIDED UP INTO THREE USABLE SPACES AT THIS POINT.
ONE IS THE TWO STOREY PART AND IT ALREADY HAS A WALL AND EVERYTHING THERE.
OKAY. AND THEN AND THAT'S THAT ENDS RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT LITTLE SQUARE IS.
IF I HAD A LASER YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE. AND THEN, THEN YOU GOT ALL THAT SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH THEN ENDS. SEE THAT RED THING IN THE MIDDLE THING THAT THAT'S NO LONGER THERE.
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AND SO THAT WALL IS IS JUST ON THE INSIDE OF THAT.OKAY. SO IF IF THAT WAS STILL THERE, THE WALL WOULD BE.
IT WOULD BE TAKING A CORNER EDGE OFF OF THAT.
MR. WOLF, CAN SOMEONE THAT THAT NEEDS A RAMP TO ENTER THE BUILDING? CURRENTLY, IT'S JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE. CORRECT.
THERE ARE THREE RAMPS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S THE EAST RAMP, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THE PARKING LOT THAT THE EAST TENANT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO. YOU GOT THE NORTH FIRST RAMP? OKAY. WHICH WHICH IS QUITE A BIT OF WAYS FROM THE THE ONLY PUBLIC PARKING SPOT LOT IN THE, IN THE AREA, WHICH IS ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PINE STREET NOW AND THEN AND THEN YOU GOT ONE IN THE BACKYARD. OKAY. WHICH IS CURRENTLY FENCED OFF.
SO IF SOMEONE DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PARKING OR PEOPLE ALLOWED TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET OR ANYTHING, OR IS IT JUST YOUR LOT ON THE EAST END? THERE IS PUBLIC PARKING IN THE LOT NEXT TO THE TO THE NORTH OF ALEXANDER BUILDING.
OKAY. IT'S FREE PUBLIC PARKING, SO. OKAY. TAKE IT.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF YOU WERE IF YOU WERE PARKING AND YOU WERE TRYING TO GET IN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHAT WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT? OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO.
OPTION TWO IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO YOUR PARKING LOT, BUT OPTION ONE MIGHT BE CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT WITH PUBLIC PARKING WITH THE ALEXANDER BUILDING. YEAH, THE OPTION TO PUT YOU A RAMP OUT WHERE THERE IS NO REAL PARKING.
WELL, IT TAKES YOU FARTHER AWAY. SIMILAR TO THE OTHER RAMP, IF YOU.
I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU MOVED THE WALL AND MADE THE MIDDLE SHAREABLE OR WHATEVER THE THE NORTH FIRST ENTRANCE AND UTILIZE THAT FOR BOTH SIDES, YOUR RAMP IS WAY ON THE EAST END NEARLY.
AND SO YOU'RE MAKING THE HANDICAPPED GO BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKING WAY UP, UP YONDER, ACROSS THE STREET AND ACROSS PINE STREET AND DOWN ONE BLOCK. ISN'T THERE CURRENTLY LIKE MAYBE 3 OR 4 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES CURRENTLY WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING OPTION TO RAMP ON PINE RIGHT NEXT TO THERE ARE SOME RIGHT THERE.
THERE ARE THREE. I THINK THERE'S THREE. AS THE ROAD GETS FARTHER AWAY FROM PINE, IT, IT IT IT GETS WIDE ENOUGH TO TWO WOULD TAKE THOSE WOULD ALSO TAKE THOSE THREE PARKING SPOTS AWAY.
THE RIGHT OF WAY IS IS HAS TO DO WITH HOW CLOSE THE BUILDING IS TO THE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, AND SO TO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND I'VE GOT A A SURVEYOR COMING OUT TO ACTUALLY MARK THE PROPERTY LINE. AND DEPENDING ON WHICH SURVEY YOU LOOK AT ONCE, EVERYBODY LOOKS LIKE IT.
THE PROPERTY LINE IS AT THE CURB, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL.
SO JUST DEREK HOOD'S $0.02 I THINK OPTION ONE IS, IS IT'S GREAT.
IT DOESN'T. THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE TO THE BUILDING.
IT DOES CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE THIS HANDICAPPED COULD MESS RAMPS WITH THE APPROPRIATE HANDRAILS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MESSING UP THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU WILL.
HOW OFTEN DOES THAT WEST ENTRANCE EVER GET USED? RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT USED HARDLY AT ALL. BECAUSE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT WHOLE WEST SIDE WAS, WAS STORAGE. AND SO IT CONTAINED LOTS AND LOTS OF STUFF.
AND AND SO PEOPLE DIDN'T COME IN THAT WAY. I DO HAVE IT ALL CLEANED OUT NOW.
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AND. AND SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS POINT? YEAH. AND THEN POINTING OUT THAT OPTION ONE ALSO PROVIDES THREE ADA ACCESSIBLE ENTRIES INTO THE THE BUILDING AS WELL.IT ALREADY HAS THREE. YEAH. IT ADDS A FOURTH ONE.
YEAH. THIS WILL THIS WILL BE A FOURTH ONE. BUT OPTION TWO TAKES OUT ONE OF THE FREIGHT.
BAYS. YES. BUT TO OPEN UP THE THAT AREA TO LOT.
I THINK THAT THE, THE FREIGHT BAY THAT THAT IS IN OPTION TWO NEEDS TO COME OUT ANYWAY.
EITHER WAY AS AS ONE FREIGHT BAY INSTEAD OF TWO.
AND SO THAT LEAVES THREE IN THERE. JUST MATERIALLY SOMEWHAT CHANGES THE THE EXTERIOR OF THE OF THE BUILDING, WHEREAS OPTION ONE, IN MY OPINION DOESN'T. IT'S VERY MINIMAL TO THE IMPACT OF THE CURRENT STATE OF THE BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLIE WOLF? I'M SORRY, I SHOULDN'T.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PICTURES. IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT VIEW WHEN THE TRACKS WEREN'T ELEVATED BECAUSE YOU COULD LITERALLY WALK ACROSS, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF TMP, ACROSS THE TRACKS TO GET ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND IT'S IT WAS ALL GROUND LEVEL, AND YOU COULD PARK ALL ALONG THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LET TRAINS COME THROUGH WHEN THEY DID PARADES. AND, AND, AND SO YOU HAD ALL THIS PERPENDICULAR PARKING THROUGH THERE, THROUGHOUT THERE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY PUT IN THE UNDERPASSES AND STUFF AND RAISED IT UP.
AND IT JUST CHANGED THE ENTIRE NATURE OF THE OF THE VIEW.
SO OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
SIR. YEAH. ANY ANY OTHER PERSONS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THE COMMISSIONERS. AND I HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR MASON OR KIRA. SO DO SO WE HAVE OPTION ONE AND TWO, AND ARE WE? HE SAID. THERE'S NOT A WESTERN AWNING THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS IN THE CA, BUT ALSO HE'S DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ALSO GO WITH REPLACING TWO OF THE BAY DOORS? SO WITH WINDOWS.
SO THE AGENDA INCLUDES THE OLDER REQUEST AND THE NEW REQUEST.
OKAY. SO CURRENTLY AT THIS MEETING, THIS IS THE NEW REQUEST.
SO THIS WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY IF IT WANTED TO BE VOTED ON AGAIN.
OKAY. SO SHOULD WE I GUESS MAYBE HAVE THAT AS A DIFFERENT MOTION.
OR I'M NOT SURE. WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
I GUESS I WOULD RECOMMEND VOTING ON THESE SEPARATELY, JUST FOR CLARITY, BUT I THINK THAT WAS AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I WAS I WAS THINKING OPTION TWO, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO NECESSARILY REPLACE THE ONE DOOR AND TWO WINDOWS AND THAT AND THAT IN ADDITION TO OPTION ONE, THEY STILL WANTED TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH GLASS.
SO THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CLARIFY WITH MR. WOLFF IF HE'S STILL REQUESTING THAT OR NOT, BECAUSE WE WANTED ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS TO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU, ASSUMING HE WAS STILL REQUESTING THAT. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? OKAY, OKAY. MR. WOLFF, DO YOU WANT TO COME CLARIFY THAT REAL QUICK FOR US? SO IF LET'S LET'S JUST SAY IF WE CHOSE OPTION TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO INCLUDE A SECOND BAY DOOR IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
BECAUSE OPTION TWO HAS ONE BAY DOOR GOING AWAY WITH DOORS.
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ACTUAL DOORS TO GET OFF OFF THE NEW RAM ROD. AND THEN ARE YOU REPLACING TWO MORE WINDOWS OR WOULD IT JUST BE ONE? THE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BAY DOORS TURN THEM INTO WINDOWS.OPTION TWO HAS ONE OF THEM DEFINITELY BEING TURNED INTO DOORS.
CORRECT? YES. AND THEN WOULD YOU LIKE TWO MORE OF THE BAY DOORS REPLACED AS WINDOWS? I'D BE HAPPY WITH JUST ONE BAY DOOR BEING REPLACED.
AND. AND IN OPTION TWO, YOU HAVE THAT ONE BAY DOOR BY DEFINITION, BEING DESTROYED. OPTION ONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS AN OPTION TO OPTION ONE.
OF OF ADDING ONE BAY DOOR, THAT SAME BAY DOOR OF BEING REPLACED WITH GLASS.
ONLY ONE. BECAUSE ON ON HERE IT'S TWO. JUST LIKE LAST TIME.
JUST LIKE LAST TIME. BUT I'M, I'M GIVING YOU A THIRD OPTION OR A FOURTH OPTION OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING FOR. IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH DOING ONE, WITH OPTION TWO, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO ONE WITH OPTION ONE.
OKAY. I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE IF YOUR REASONING IS A, WE CAN DO AWAY WITH ONE OF THEM AND BE OKAY, THEN LET'S SAY THAT AND VOTE THAT WAY AND DO AWAY WITH ONE OF THEM.
IRREGARDLESS. OKAY. AND AND IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO.
AND THEN IF WE'RE OKAY WITH DOING AWAY WITH THE STEPS AND IT'S JUST THE AWNING.
THEN I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY OF MAKING THE BACK PORCH OR THE SIDE PORCH ON ON PINE STREET LARGER, EVEN WITHOUT A AWNING, SO THAT WE CAN CONNECT THE THE BACK PORCH IN WITH THAT HANDICAP RAMP.
OKAY. AND SO IT'S IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY DEAL WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF IT, BUT DEAL WITH THE CONCEPT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT OF PUTTING A HANDICAP RAMP THERE, THEN AND EITHER HAVE THE RAMP COME THAT WAY, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN OR COME OFF TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO IT'S NOT SO OBTRUSIVE THEN. I JUST NEED TO GET SOME IDEA THAT AT LEAST THE CONCEPT OF OF THAT.
THAT'S OKAY. OR DO WE JUST NEED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ALTOGETHER? OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK.
IT SEEMS LIKE PROPOSALS ALWAYS NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND WE CAN CHANGE THEM A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE WHOLE DESIGNS ON OUR MOTIONS IF THEY WEREN'T PRESENTED.
I THINK WHAT'S ON OUR SCREEN IS WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SCHEMATICS FOR OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO.
THE THIRD ONE THERE REPLACED TWO WITH BAY DOORS.
YEAH. I THINK HAND IN HAND, I THINK WITH OPTION ONE I THINK DECIDE.
I THINK THAT WE'VE TRIED TO BE AS BROAD AS WE COULD.
WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AGENDA ITEM TO INCORPORATE WHAT HE WAS ASKING LAST TIME, THE TWO OPTIONS THIS TIME, SO THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS AVAILABLE TO YOU.
AND IT'S NOT QUITE LIKE ZONING WHERE, OKAY, YOU CAN ONLY BE LESS RESTRICTIVE.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY TO APPROVE.
PART OF WHAT HE'S ASKING, MAYBE NOT PART OF WHAT HE'S ASKING.
YOU CAN PUT LIMITS ON WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT LIMITS ON TO APPROVE IT.
IF YOU WANT THAT CLARITY. I MEAN THAT THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
YOU YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF LEEWAY. WE EVEN HAVE LEEWAY TO MAKE SOMETHING LARGER OR JUST.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER DONE THAT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING? IF YOU MADE A PORCH AND CONNECTING THAT WEST PORCH TO THE BACK, SOUTH SIDE? I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD YOU COULD ADD THAT.
I MEAN, THAT WAS PART OF DISCUSSION LAST TIME AS TO THE OPTION.
AND I THINK THAT IF THAT'S WHAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, THE PORCH, I THINK THE PORCH HE'S PORTUGUESE ASKING FOR THIS TIME IS ACTUALLY SMALLER, BUT GENERALLY I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO YOU CAN ONLY GO SMALLER.
OKAY. AS LONG AS THE GENERAL ITEM HAS BEEN AND I THINK ALL OF THESE GENERAL ITEMS HAVE BEEN,
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YOU KNOW, NOTICED AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, I THINK THE DESIGN CAN CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.OKAY. AND YOU CAN BE AS SPECIFIC AS YOU WANT.
BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT THOUGH IS AND MAYBE IT'S JUST FOR ME, I'M A VISUAL PERSON.
PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT AS YOU CAN EXPAND THAT RAMP THAT'S APPROVED, THEN THAT CAN TAKE ANY NUMBER OF FORMS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT CAN BE WHATEVER THE OWNER DECIDES IS APPROPRIATE.
SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO PUT SOME CAUTION TO EXPANDING THE SCOPE BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
OKAY. CAN WE SEE OPTION TWO ON THE SCREEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? SO MR. HOOD, I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU. SO THE ONE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING THE NEW RED RAMP IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
WHEN YOU WOULD GO IN TO, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE OCCUPIED THIS SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THOSE RAMPS SIT ON TOP OF THE SIDEWALK? THEY'RE RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE BUILDING, AND THERE'S STILL A PRETTY BIG PART OF THE SIDEWALK THAT STILL EXISTS EVEN AFTER THOSE RAMPS ARE BUILT.
NOW, IT MAY BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T TRIED TO DETERMINE THAT.
BUT I GUESS ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS RENOVATED.
SOMEHOW IT GOT APPROVAL. THIS THIS WHOLE RENOVATION WAS CAREFULLY HAD OVERSIGHT BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION BACK THEN. THEY THEY ASKED THAT THOSE BAY DOORS.
THAT'S WHY THOSE FOUR BAY DOORS STILL EXIST. THE WOODEN ONES.
BECAUSE THEY WANTED AN EXAMPLE. THEY'RE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
THAT'S WHY THE WESTERN ELEVATION WHAT IS I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY IT DOESN'T MATCH ITS ADDRESS, BUT THAT IS THE THE FRONT ELEVATION IS THE FACADE OF THAT BUILDING AND IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
USUALLY THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING TAKES PRECEDENCE ABOVE ALMOST ALL OTHER THINGS ABOUT ALTERATIONS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. I THINK ANYONE DRIVING BY ON NORTH FIRST KNOWS THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE THAT REPLACE THOSE PREVIOUS EXISTING DOORS THAT THOSE WERE.
I MEAN, THEY STILL ARE. THEY STILL HAVE THE WOOD METAL FREIGHT BAY BRACKETS ON THERE.
SO IF IF THE PORCH, THE NEW RAMP AND HANDICAP RAMP ARE ADDED TO THE WESTERN ELEVATION. THE MAIN THING THAT WOULD GO AWAY NOW IS JUST THE HISTORIC STEPS.
YEAH, THOSE STEPS WOULD FACE INSTEAD OF FACING WEST WOULD FACE NORTH.
AND THEN THERE'S A HANDICAPPED RAMP ADDED INTO THAT POURED PIECE OF CONCRETE.
AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE BIG AWNING AS IT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME.
YEAH. I MEAN I THINK OPTION ONE IS A MARKED IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE SAW LAST TIME.
SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO US.
IT'S MUCH BETTER. AND ESPECIALLY WITHOUT THE CANOPY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME, AND THESE ARE THINGS ARE ALWAYS A BALANCE.
I MEAN, WE WANT TO PRESERVE HISTORIC CHARACTER FABRIC FOR OUR CITIES, ETC..
WE ALSO WANT A LIVELY CITY WITH BUSINESSES THAT CAN THRIVE AND SURVIVE, ETC.
AND SO I YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY FOR. WE'RE DISCUSSING.
I MEAN, IF IT IS A PRIMARY FACADE, LET'S NOT LET IT JUST BE A, YOU KNOW, DISNEY WORLD KIND OF THING.
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LET'S LET'S LET IT BE AN ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING.SO I'M I'M GOOD WITH THAT CONCEPT. I THINK THERE'S MORE.
IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER STUFF WITH THOSE DOORS. I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AND OUT OF THIS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY HANDLE THAT WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT THEN IS IMPACTING THE HISTORIC FACADE.
I COULD SORT OF GET ON BOARD WITH THE RAMP AND STAIRS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE FACADE PER SE.
BUT WHEN WE START MESSING WITH THE DOORS, ETC., THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, I THINK AS WELL. I COULD COME BACK JUST NEXT MONTH AND GIVE US A PROPOSAL JUST ABOUT DOORS IF OPTION ONE.
IT'LL IT'LL TAKE A WHILE TO GET OPTION ONE BUILT.
AND SO WE COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THE DOORS IN TIME.
AND WE ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ON THIS BUT WE HAVE HAD QUOTE, SORT OF EMERGENCY LANDMARKS COMMISSION MEETINGS THROUGH THE YEARS WHERE SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED QUICKLY.
AND WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD MEETINGS THAT WEREN'T THAT WERE MOVED UP ACTUALLY THROUGH THE YEARS.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LONG TIME. BUT BUT WE COULD DO I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
MASON'S GETTING A FUNNY LOOK ON HER FACE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION ANYMORE, BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. BUT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION 27 YEARS, SO WE HAVEN'T.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LONG TIME. LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING, THOUGH.
BEFORE I. BEFORE I LOSE IT ON THIS, THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO CONSIDER ON THAT WEST SIDE THAT'S NOT SHOWN IS SINCE WE HAVE A HIGHER THAN A 30 INCH GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE FLOOR LEVEL YOU'RE ENTERING ON AND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, THE SITE FROM THE SIDEWALK THAT WE WILL WE WILL NEED RAILING ON THE STAIRS AND THE RAMP.
SO ONE COULD ARGUE THAT DOES IMPACT THAT FACADE.
IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THIS IS NOT NOTHING.
IT IS SOMETHING. SO THERE WILL BE SOME IMPACT, VISUAL IMPACT FROM THE RAILING.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. IT CAN BE DONE.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS FOR THAT. BUT THAT IS A REALITY OF THIS.
THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS TOO. THEY SAID LAST TIME THAT THE IF THOSE RAILINGS WERE CONSTRUCTED, IT WOULD MATCH THE EASTERN ELEVATION. THEY WERE PLANNING ON MATCHING THE EASTERN ELEVATION.
EXACTLY. SO WHOEVER MAKES A MOTION, YOU COULD SPECIFY THAT WHICH.
THOSE AREN'T HISTORIC, BY THE WAY. IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT REAL.
I MEAN, BUT BUT AT LEAST WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
SO WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO PUT FORTH A MOTION FOR ONE MORE THING? YES. YOU CAN APPROVE A CONCEPT.
I'D BE GLAD TO COME BACK IN A ANOTHER MEETING AND GIVE YOU DETAILED PLANS BASED ON THAT CONCEPT.
THAT'S FAIR. Y'ALL DIDN'T EVEN BUY INTO THE CONCEPT OF BEING ABLE TO GO IN THAT DOOR OR NOT.
OR SAYING, NO, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY GOING IN THAT DOOR.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY AND WE'LL GO, YEAH, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE POCKETS.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? IT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC.
PLEASE. I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS OPTION ONE WITH ALSO REPLACING THE TWO DOORS.
THE TWO BAY DOORS. I FORGOT HOW IT'S WORDED. AND JUST STRAIGHT.
STRAIGHTFORWARD. I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE ESTHETICS, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN ABILENE AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. IT'S NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE ENTIRELY.
IT'S CHANGING SOME OF THE ESTHETICS. SO I SAY GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS.
CAN YOU POSSIBLY ADD ABOUT THE RAILING RAILING TO MATCH THE EAST END OF THE BUILDING, TO BE EXACT. OKAY, I WOULD SECOND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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OH. SORRY. CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION OR. WE ARE TOO LATE FOR DISCUSSION ON THE SECOND VOTE.IF IT FAILS, IF IT DOESN'T GET FOUR VOTES, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.
WE CAN KEEP HAVING MOTIONS UNTIL SOMETHING PASSES.
I THINK AFTER ROBERT'S RULES, AFTER A SECOND HAS OCCURRED, THEN ANY DISCUSSION AND THE VOTE.
AM I DOING A ROLL CALL NOW? I THINK WE JUST VOTE ON THE MOTION.
OR SHOULD WE? SINCE IT'S NOT THE MINUTES, WE SHOULD DO A ROLL CALL.
SINCE IT'S AN ITEM, WE SHOULD DO A ROLL CALL.
RIGHT, MR. YOUNG? NO. MR. HOOD. YES. MISS ALLEN.
YES. MISS MARTIN? YES. MISS LEE? YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
IF I CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED BECAUSE WE HAVE FINISHED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.