ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IT IS 130. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:09] ZACH, WOULD YOU MIND LEAVING US IN AN OPENING PRAYER? I'D LOVE TO. FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY AND SAY THANKS. LORD. THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR CITY, LORD. WE PRAY BLESSING OVER THIS MEETING. WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US WISDOM MAKE WISE CHOICES THAT GLORIFY YOU. AND BETTER OUR CITY. LORD, PRAY FOR OUR TIME. THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH US TODAY. IT'S IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THE APPROVAL OF PLATS. HOWEVER, IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF ZONING. THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY, NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING, AND ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR APPEARING. EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES, AND ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. [MINUTES] THEY WERE INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET AS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THE MINUTES. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MINUTES. SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE MINUTES. A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? HEARING NO ONE, WE WANTED TO. ITEM NUMBER TWO, ZONING CASE 2025 DASH 21. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO REZONE [ZONING] APPROXIMATELY 30.91 ACRES FROM A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THAT'S PD 58 TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. PD 195. THIS IS LOCATED AT 1873 MAPLE STREET. YOU'RE NOT KIRA ADAM. I'M NOT. GOOD AFTERNOON. ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. THIS IS KC 20 2521 IS REPRESENTED BY JACOB MARTIN. AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 30.91 ACRES FROM A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PD 58 TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. PD 195 THIS IS LOCATED AT 1873 MAPLE STREET. THIS THIS PROPOSED PD IS TO ALLOW FOR 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITH AMENDED SIDE SETBACKS. TO A FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACK KIND OF TO MATCH THE SIMILAR BUILDINGS MEADOWS SUBDIVISION AND THE PD TO THE SOUTH. HERE YOU CAN SEE A ZONING MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. JUST TO THE EAST OF THE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WE HAVE RS6 ZONING. TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING PD 58. BOTH OF THESE TRACKS WERE CURRENT, WERE PREVIOUSLY USED FOR AMUSEMENT FACILITIES AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL TYPE USES. JUST TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE MORE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IN A PD TO ALLOW SIMILAR TYPES OF USES. AS TO WHAT IS PROPOSED. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS VACANT. HERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS VACANT. SOME PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE BEING DEVELOPED AND TO THE NORTH IS USED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. HERE IS THE PD REQUEST. SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOW A LOT AREA 5000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM 50 FOOT MINIMUM WIDTH AND A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK. AND HERE IS A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVED ONE IN OPPOSITION AND ONE IN FAVOR. GIVING A 0.029% OPPOSITION. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL ZONING MAP? SO IT ABUTS ON RS6 AND YOU'RE SAYING THE PD THAT'S TO THE SOUTH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED FOR THE CURRENT AREA. YES. SO STILL SINGLE FAMILY, JUST SMALLER SETBACKS, SMALLER LOT SIZE? [00:05:03] YES. WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. THE OBJECTION THAT I READ IN THE PACKET WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS FRUSTRATED WITH THEIR EASEMENT FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY. NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. DID WE RECEIVE ANY OTHER WRITTEN COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING? I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY NEW WRITTEN OPPOSITION RECENTLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? OKAY. THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR CORRECT TO STATE THOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE. YES. STAFF IS JUST RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. OKAY. IT'S NOT CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING THAT'S SUBJECT TO ALL THEIR PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN AND THIS PD REQUEST AS WELL. OKAY. ALL THAT'S IN THE PD REQUEST. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE THE CONDITION BECAUSE THAT STUFF IS LAID OUT IN THE PD. I BELIEVE. SO THE RS6 THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE ARE THOSE LOTS BASICALLY THAT SAME SIZE WITHIN THAT? NO, THOSE ARE 6000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM SIZE LOTS. SO THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT MORE, PLUS NORMAL SETBACKS. YES. OKAY. NORMAL SETBACKS ARE TEN FEET, TEN FEET, SIX FEET, SIX FEET. SO IT'S ONLY A ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE FROM THE OKAY ON EITHER SIDE. AND TIM, IS THERE NO CONDITIONS BECAUSE NO PD FOR THE PD. PD REQUIRE THAT A CONCEPT PLAN BE ADOPTED WITH THE PD, AND THEN THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PHASE AND THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS REVIEW AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PUT UP THE CONCEPT MAP AGAIN? I'M SORRY. IT'S HARD TO SEE. I THINK IT WAS EASIER IN THE PACKET, BUT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. HI, FRIENDS. ROBIN WERTHEIM 650 CYNTHIA COURT. OUR PROPERTY IS OUT OF THE 250 FOOT NOTIFICATION RADIUS ON THE NOTIFICATION. IF YOU NOTICE THE PERSON WHO APPROVED SAID WITH CONDITIONS AND LISTED THOSE CONDITIONS. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 25 YEARS AGO, WE CAME BACK TO ABILENE TO REJOIN THE OTHER FOUR GENERATIONS OF OUR FAMILY AND INVESTED IN A LOT. BUILT A CUSTOM HOME IN OLDHAM. FORBES. THE LAND BEHIND US WAS ALL AGRICULTURAL. AND THEN THE STATE SUPPORTED LIVING CENTER. WE'VE NOW SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. TWO, TWO YEARS OR SO AGO, WE CAME TO YOU ABOUT THESE SMALLER LOTS. WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND WE'RE GIVEN PROMISES. THOSE PROMISES HAVE NOT BEEN UPHELD. THE PROMISES INCLUDED REDOING SOME STREETS. WE KNOW ONE OF THEM CAN'T BE REDONE TILL ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS FINISHED. LAKESIDE. BUT BERRY LANE IS IN HORRIBLE CONDITION. MAPLE IS TWO YEARS, I THINK, BEHIND ITS PROJECTED LIFE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REPAIRED. THE ABILENE STATE SUPPORTED LIVING CENTER, IN RESEARCHING THIS, TOLD ME THEY HAVE 6 TO 700 CARS GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THREE TIMES A DAY ON THREE DIFFERENT SHIFTS. AND NOW WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT'S GOING TO ABUT THAT AND HAS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, AND IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME FOUR WAY STOP. IT USED TO BE A TWO WAY STOP. NOW IT'S A FOUR WAY STOP. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO HOUSING. WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS SIZE OF LOT. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE OLDHAM FORBES. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE OLDHAM FORBES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT ITS PRESIDENT, RODNEY GOODMAN, COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. AND HE HE HAS AGREED WITH THESE COMMENTS. WE WERE TOLD THESE SUBDIVISIONS WOULD HAVE UPKEEP. WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I'M GOING TO GO POST A A COMPLAINT ABOUT HIGH GRASS AROUND THESE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE WE CAME. THE ONES TO THE SOUTH, THE ONES TO THE SOUTH. WE ALSO THE FLOODING. WHEN IT RAINS A LOT, IT WORKS WELL, SOME OF IT. AND I TOLD MR. LITTLEJOHN THAT THE OTHER DAY THAT, WELL, SATURDAY IT RAINED SATURDAY MORNING. WE HAD STANDING WATER AND MOSQUITOES ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, AND I LIVE ABOUT 1000FT FROM THIS. SO WE ASK THAT YOU INCREASE THE LOT SIZE, THAT YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND THAT YOU LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE. WE KNOW ABILENE NEEDS HOUSING. WE BELIEVE IN ENFIELD. WE CHOSE TO BUILD OUR HOUSE IN ABILENE. THAT'S WHERE WE RAISED OUR KIDS AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY. BUT SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS MAKING THIS AREA NOT AS FAMILY FRIENDLY AND NOT AS SAFE, AND DOES NOT FIT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT I WENT TO. [00:10:04] SO MANY MEETINGS FOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? SO MY NAME IS PAUL WERTHEIM. I LIVE AT 650 CYNTHIA COURT, OLDHAM FORBES ESTATES, WHICH BORDERS UP TO LAKESIDE. AND JUST HAVE TWO SPECIFIC CONCERNS I JUST WANT TO MAKE AWARE OF AS THE CONSIDERATION IS BEING MADE AROUND THE THE WHOLE MAYPOLE AND BERRY LANE AREA FOR THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. ONE CONCERN DEALS WITH DRAINAGE. THE OTHER CONCERN DEALS WITH THE ROAD ITSELF. ON THE BACKSIDE THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP PHOTO I'VE GOT A PICTURE THERE OF THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEING BUILT TO THE WEST OF LAKESIDE. AND A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM FOR THAT. AND I THINK THEY DESIGNED IT SO THAT ALL OF THAT BACK SUBDIVISION DRAINS INTO THE GULLY BY LAKESIDE. WELL, IT'S IT'S NOT WORKING REAL WELL WHEN WE HAD THAT RAIN LAST MONTH, A COUPLE OF TIMES I WISH I HAD VIDEO, BUT LAKESIDE WAS THE ACTUAL RIVER. I MEAN, IT WAS COVERED FLOWING FROM THAT DRAINAGE. AND IF THEY START BUILDING MORE. MY CONCERN IS FOR THE NEW DIVISION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THERE'S CURRENTLY NO HOUSES ON THE EAST SIDE. AND IF THEY SOMEHOW ROUTE ANY OF THAT DRAINAGE BACK TO LAKESIDE ALSO, THAT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO THE CURRENT PROBLEMS. THE SECOND ISSUE IS WITH THE ROAD ITSELF. I'VE GOT A PICTURE THERE OF LAKESIDE, AND THE MORE THAT THOSE DIVISIONS KEEP ADDING HOUSES AND TRAFFIC. THE ROAD ITSELF WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO REALLY BE A FULL TWO LANE ROAD. TWO CARS WILL FIT, BUT BARELY. AND WHEN THEY'RE PASSING, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO GO ON THE GRASS ON EACH SIDE TO, TO GET THROUGH SAFELY. AND WHEN THE STATE SUPPORTED LIVING CENTER USES THAT BACK ENTRANCE, WHICH ALSO FEEDS INTO LAKESIDE, THE TRAFFIC REALLY CAN GET HEAVY. SO JUST DRAINAGE AND ROAD CONDITIONS THERE AS THEY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THESE NEW DIVISIONS AROUND MAPLE, BERRY LANE AND LAKESIDE. THESE ARE SOME SERIOUS THINGS TO CONSIDER ON THE LAKE SIDE VIEW OF IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? GOOD AFTERNOON, CLAYTON, FARRELL, JACOB AND MARTIN, AGENT FOR THE OWNER. I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONCERNS, AND I WILL TRY TO DO MY BEST TO ADDRESS THEM AS AS BEST I CAN. I WAS AT THE PODIUM SOME YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THE REZONING. WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF REZONING ON THE CIMARRON MEADOWS TRACT. AND I RECALL SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LAKESIDE DRIVE. CERTAINLY BY LAKESIDE DRIVE. THERE WERE CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE ON THE PD AS SHOWN THERE ON PARCEL 1079348. THAT'S THE LAST PHASE OF CIMARRON MEADOWS THAT THAT NO CONNECTION BE ALLOWED TO LAKESIDE DRIVE. SO THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION HAS NO STREET CONNECTION OUT TO LAKESIDE AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I WILL I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW HOMES OUT HERE. IT'S DONE VERY WELL. THERE'S BEEN A GOOD WELL-RECEIVED RECEPTION IN THE THE HOME HOUSING MARKET. AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE ORIGINAL REZONING OF THE EXISTING HOUSING TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS A STAFF MENTIONED. IT'S A IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO DO A 50 FOOT LOT RESIDENTIAL. ALL WE'RE DOING IS A RS6, WHICH IS THE STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY WITH REDUCED REDUCED WIDTH. WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING IT'S A REDUCED WIDTH, BUT THE SIZE HOUSE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT THE SAME AS WHAT CIMARRON MEADOWS IS. THEY JUST HAVE LARGER SETBACKS BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD A 60 FOOT LOT, NOT A 50 FOOT LOT. AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES, I'LL SPEAK TO DRAINAGE INTO MAPLE AND BARRY SPECIFICALLY. SO DRAINAGE. THERE IS A HIGH POINT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. [00:15:02] THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY DRAINS TO THE WEST TO MAPLE. IT'S ANTICIPATED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. THERE SHOULD BE A LARGE DETENTION POND. THERE'S AN EXISTING DETENTION. THERE WAS A DETENTION POND THERE. WHEN? SCOOTERS. I THINK IT WAS SCOOTERS USED TO BE THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED AND ADD DRAINAGE FACILITIES ADJACENT TO MAPLE. AND IT WOULD DRAIN OUT TO THE CREEK TO THE WEST ACROSS MAPLE. SO THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE GOING TO THE EAST WITH THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION? AS FAR AS MAPLE IS CONCERNED, WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS FOR THE CITY AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT THAT'S IN PUBLIC WORKS COURT AS TO WHEN THEY DECIDE TO IMPROVE MAPLE. BUT THE PLANS HAVE BEEN DONE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO IMPROVE THE ROAD SECTION THROUGH THERE AND DRAINAGE THROUGH THERE. RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THAT PROJECT THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF THIS ZONING REQUEST, BUT I FIGURED I COULD SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL WHILE I'M HERE. HOW MANY LOTS ARE IN THIS PROPOSED SECTION? YOU KNOW? 139 139 SO YOU CAN GET ABOUT. 15% MORE WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF 50 FOOT VERSUS THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT, ABOUT 15 TO 20%. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE POND. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO OVERSIZE OUR POND TO SHRINK DOWN THE TO, TO HANDLE MORE DRAINAGE THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD LOSE LOTS TO LOSE SOME, LOTS TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE END UP DOING. I CAN'T SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE FAR ENOUGH INTO THAT DESIGN TO CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THAT'S HANDLED. YES, BOONDOCK WAY DOESN'T CURRENTLY GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THAT LAKESIDE ROAD. ARE THERE ANY PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO CONNECT? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. THE THE MY TWO CLIENTS. THIS IS A SEPARATE CLIENT FROM THE GUY WHO DID FROM THE CLIENT WHO DID BOONDOCKS ORIGINALLY. THEY DON'T. NEITHER OF THEM OWNS THE PROPERTY EAST OF THERE. BUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT WE STUB TO UNPLANNED PROPERTIES WITH STREETS, WATER AND SEWER. SO IT'S JUST BY CODE WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT TO FOR FUTURE CONNECTION. SO FROM THIS DIVISION, HOW MANY POINTS ARE THERE. SO THERE'S TWO. ONE ON A MAPLE AND ONE ON A BARRY. THAT'S A FUNCTION. BARRY'S A FUNCTION OF JUST HOW MUCH FRONTAGE IS AVAILABLE AND NOT PUTTING IT TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. MAPLE IS A FUNCTION OF SAME THING. THERE'S A LOT MORE FRONTAGE ON MAPLE, BUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE COMING THROUGH THERE IN ANTICIPATION OF WHAT THE CITY'S PROJECT IS REQUIRES, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IT. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO GET A SECOND CONNECTION ON MAPLE. SO THERE IS A CONNECTION BACK THROUGH BOONDOCKS OUT TO BARRY. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S TWO OTHER CONNECTIONS OUT TO MAPLE THROUGH THE, THE. THE FACE TO THE SOUTH OF THERE. OKAY. I KNOW THIS LOT. NORTH WEST CORNER, I BELIEVE, DROPS OFF PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ELEVATING THAT? WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME GRADING WORK THROUGH THERE TO MAKE THEM BUILDABLE. I CAN'T AGAIN, WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG ON GRADING TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE, BUT I KNOW I WOULDN'T EXPECT TO ADD FILL IN THAT CORNER, THAT DETENTION POND THAT'S THERE IS SUPER DEEP. JUST MY I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH AND WE'LL THINK THROUGH ALL THE DRAINAGE, BUT I'M JUST ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE ABOUT PUSHING WATER TO THE EAST AT ALL. THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. THERE'S TOO MUCH ELEVATION CHANGE FROM WEST TO EAST TO TRY TO PUSH WATER TO THE EAST. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLAYTON? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? GOOD AFTERNOON, LAURA WARDROP. I'M AT 716 LAUREL SHORES DRIVE, BENT TREE ADDITION. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE VERY EXIT BECAUSE CURRENTLY TRASH CANS FILTER OUT ON BARRY FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNERS. THEY PARKED TRAILERS. THAT, AGAIN, IS NOT AN EXTRA WIDE STREET. SO YOU'RE ALREADY DODGING TRAILERS AND TRASH CANS, YOU ADD ANOTHER 250 CARS POSSIBLE FOR THIS ONE EDITION SINCE IT'S GIVEN THE SMALLER LOTS. DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D NEED THE SMALLER LOTS. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE JAMMED INTO A VERY SMALL SECTION OF TOWN. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER GOING BACK TO THE SIX FOOT INSTEAD OF MAKING THE SPECIAL EASEMENT FOR THE FIVE FOOT. [00:20:02] THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW ARE TEENY TINY, AND YOU LITERALLY CAN STAND TWO PEOPLE AND TOUCH SIDE TO SIDE ON THE HOUSES. I MEAN, IT'S VERY CLOSE AND VERY SMALL, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILTERING OUT ONTO THE STREET. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO GO. SO THEN YOU GET JUNKY, TRASHY STREETS AND NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK AND IT BECOMES A REAL PROBLEM. SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER MAKING THAT, NOT MAKING THE SPECIAL EASEMENT OF THE FIVE FOOT, KEEPING IT TO THE SIX, MA'AM. DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SMALLER LOT SIZE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YES, I REALLY DO. THERE AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF HOUSES BEING JAMMED INTO A VERY SMALL, WITH VERY LITTLE EXITS AND NO GREEN SPACE. YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM THE STATE SCHOOL AND VERY FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO 14TH STREET. SO PEOPLE USE IT THROUGH AS A THOROUGHFARE FROM THOSE OF US. INVENTORY USUALLY GO DOWN LAKESIDE AND ON TO BARRY BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD AND THE ROAD CURVES RIGHT AT OUR ADDITION. SO YOU HAVE A BLIND SPOT, AND SO YOU START FILTERING MORE CARS COMING DOWN LAUREL SHORES. AND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FROM THE LAKE SIDE OF LITTLE SHORES ALSO COME DOWN. A LOT OF STORES DRIVE AND EXIT ONTO LAKESIDE. SO. AND MY STREET HASN'T BEEN RECOVERED. I DON'T BELIEVE HAS IT'S BEEN PATCHED ABOUT ONCE A YEAR. THEY COME IN AND DO LITTLE BITTY PATCHES, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE ORIGINAL STREETS WE WERE WAY BEFORE THEY DID THE THE FORBES EDITION AND THE OTHER EDITIONS. SO OUR STREET HAS NEVER BEEN RE TEXTURED. AND SO YOU'RE ADDING EVEN MORE TRAFFIC ONTO A STREET THAT WASN'T MEANT TO BE THAT KIND OF STREET. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? AND NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS MOTIONS CONVERSATION. I WANT TO TAKE THIS SECTION AND MAKE IT RS FIVE. THOUSAND? YES. SO WE'RE TO THE WEST OR EAST IS RS6 THIS AND HAS 6000 FOOT LOTS AND TEN FOOT SETBACKS. THEY'RE PROPOSING 5000 FOOT LOTS AND FIVE FOOT SETBACKS. SO SIX FOOT SETBACKS ON THE RS6 OR SIX FOOT SAY ABOUT THAT? YEAH. SO YEAH. SO THE SETBACK DIFFERENCE IS NOT MAJOR. SOMETIMES THAT'S EVEN REQUIRED JUST TO TRY TO FIT A HOUSE IN A WEIRD SHAPED LOT. BUT THE 1000 LESS SQUARE FOOT PER LOT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. IT IS A SIZE SIZE DIFFERENCE. HOWEVER, TO THE SOUTH OF IT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. SO IT'S KEEPING IN LINE WITH THAT. BUT IT IS IT IS CERTAINLY A MORE DENSE, ABOUT 20%, AT LEAST FROM MY LITTLE CALCULATION HERE ON MY NOTEPAD, ABOUT 20% MORE HOUSES IN AN AREA THAN IF IT WAS JUST RS6. AND THAT'S THAT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE. AND THEN THERE ARE A LOT IN THERE. THEY'RE TIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. MAPLE AND BARRY. I'M DOWN THAT WAY A DECENT AMOUNT. AND BOTH THOSE STREETS COULD USE SOME IMPROVEMENT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MORE WITHIN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAN IT IS A, A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. AND, AND WHAT WE'RE MORE OR LESS DISCUSSING HERE AND MAPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ARTERIAL. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED TO THE LEVEL WE'D LIKE IT TO. IT IS MEANT TO CARRY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC. YEAH. YOU KNOW SOMETHING WE CAN'T NECESSARILY FULLY ANTICIPATE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF MAPLE STREET. THAT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. I WOULD FULLY EXPECT IT TO BE DEVELOPED INTO ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL. I THINK WE SET THE PRECEDENT HERE FOR SMALLER LOT SIZE. WE CAN EXPECT THAT SMALLER LOT SIZE THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO GOT QUITE A BIT OF IT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. SO YEAH. YEAH, I GUESS I'M I AM PERSONALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SMALLER LOT SIZES ON, ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HERE. GIVEN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. I THINK WE MAY BE PACKING JUST A FEW TOO MANY HOUSES INTO A SMALL PLACE. WE HAVE APPROVED SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS ON FOR MUCH FURTHER DOWN MAPLE STREET. [00:25:08] AND I'M WATCHING THOSE REALLY DENSELY PACK IN AND I FEEL LIKE MAPLE STREET'S GOING TO BECOME AN ARTERIAL STREET PRETTY QUICKLY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, FOR ME, IT WAS THE DRAINAGE. AND LIKE HE SAID, LIKE, RIGHT NOW WHEN IT RAINS AND THE WATER THAT IS SITTING THAT WAS MY CONCERN TO AS THEY DEVELOP. WHERE WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS THAT THAT HE GAVE US HERE. THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. BUT I THINK ALL OF THAT IS IS NOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S ALL FROM FROM STUFF THAT THAT'S ALREADY THERE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT LAND USE AND RELY ON PUBLIC WORKS OR TEXT OR WHOEVER MANAGES THE ROAD TO COME IN AND ADD LIGHTS, OR AS TRAFFIC PATTERNS CHANGE OR HELP AND ALLOW ENGINEERS THAT ARE DESIGNING SUBDIVISIONS TO MAKE SURE IT'S FOLLOWING EVERYTHING APPROVED BY THE CITY FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. I AGREE WITH THE CONCERN 100%. AND SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IT'S HARD FOR ME SOMETIMES TO PUT ON THE HAT OF, WELL, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY BE ANSWERING? AND SO I'M CAUGHT SOMEWHERE, PROBABLY WITH KEVIN OF WE'VE APPROVED SIMILAR THINGS TO THE SOUTH. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW MORE DENSELY SINGLE FAMILY ISH HOMES, PUTTING THEM NEXT TO A MAJOR ARTERIAL MAKES MORE SENSE THAN PUTTING THEM AT THE BACK OF A SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HOWEVER, THAT IS THAT IS A LOT OF HOMES. AND SO AND WITH CURRENTLY IN THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE ROADS AND DIFFERENT THINGS, I'M NOT SURE. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BUILD UP TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE RIGHT NOW IT CAN HANDLE IT AS IT CURRENTLY SITS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY, AND TIM, YOU MAY WANT TO STEP IN AND KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THIS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THESE REQUESTS FOR SMALLER LOT SIZES, AND THEY SEEM TO BE A FAIRLY STANDARD. THE SMALLER LOT SIZES SEEM TO BE A FAIRLY STANDARD SIZE FOR COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE AND OTHER AREAS. AND IS ABILENE GIVING CONSIDERATION TO CHANGING THEIR BASE REQUIREMENTS, THAT OF RS6, OR ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS THROUGH PDS? WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF REWRITING THE LAND CODE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS A VERY STRONG CONSIDERATION SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY REQUESTS FOR THESE 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. IS TO MAKE THEM ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE PD PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET IT. THE SAME STAFF HAS DONE THE RESEARCH. THE MARKET'S THERE. IT'S KIND OF A MISSING NICHE FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND TO FOR THOSE THAT JUST DON'T WANT A HUGE YARD TO TAKE CARE OF BECAUSE OF THEIR BUSY LIVES. SO IT IS IT. IS IT? IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO THIS COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION. WHEN WE WRAP UP THAT DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT WILL BE IN THERE. WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED TIME FRAME FOR THAT. I'M HOPING WE'LL GET THROUGH THE PROCESS IN ABOUT 6 TO 8 MORE WEEKS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE TOWARDS THE END OF IT NOW, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, OR LIKE WHAT WOULD THE. IT'S GOING TO BE AN S DISTRICT. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO. IT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE ANYWHERE FROM 5000 AND UP. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SPECIFIED RS SIX, RS EIGHT, RS 12, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BECOME AN RS DISTRICT WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 5000 AND UP. AM I RIGHT IN REMEMBERING THAT THAT PROPERTY OFF TO THE WEST THAT I MENTIONED, CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAPLE, THAT THAT'S PRIMARILY FLOOD PLAIN RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T. THERE'S A PARK RIGHT THERE BEHIND. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY THEN I, I THINK TIM'S ADDRESSED MY PRIMARY CONCERNS. I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TODAY IS AT SOME POINT SOON GOING TO BECOME THE NORM IN ABILENE. I'D HATE TO DENY THIS DEVELOPER THE THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPERS ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW ARE GOING TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO WITHOUT EVEN [00:30:05] WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, BASE CONSIDERATIONS. SO I THINK I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR. SEE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF NOT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. EVEN WITH THE FIRST ACT. WITH THE SECOND. MR. BARNETT? YES. MR. HOUSE? YES. MISS CARTER? YES. MR. HALLIBURTON? YES. MISS LEWIS? YES. MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES. I'LL TELL THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AND SPOKE. ON ALL ZONING CASES, WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDED BODY. THE CITY COUNCIL OVERTURNS US ALL THE TIME. AND SO WHETHER WE AGREE WITH OR END UP DECIDING WITH IN YOUR WAY OR NOT. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THE CITY SECRETARY ABOUT FILING YOUR OBJECTION OR OR TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. AND THAT'S BOTH ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE AS WELL AS ON THE THE NEIGHBORING SIDE. AND SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION TO CITY COUNCIL. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, ZONING CASE 20 2522. RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER. TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 33.89 ACRES FOR MEDIUM DENSITY AND GENERAL RETAIL TO AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE LOCATED AT PARCEL ID 75888. LARISSA. YEAH. HELLO, MY NAME IS CLARICE. I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. BEFORE YOU HAVE KC 2025 DASH 22 IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE OWNER, RAINY CREEK LLC, REPRESENTED BY MR. GLENN ROSENBAUM. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR MEDIUM DENSITY AND RETAIL GENERAL RETAIL TO AOE. THIS IS LOCATED ALONG EAST LOUDON, RIGHT BEHIND THE WALMART. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY IN GENERAL RETAIL. AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY AGRICULTURAL OPEN WITH THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN MEDIUM DENSITY AND IN GENERAL RETAIL. AND THESE ARE YOUR PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS. AND SOME SOME PICTURES OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE RECEIVE WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVE. TUNE IN OPPOSITION. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SURROUNDING USES IN ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES. AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I DON'T THINK THE OPPOSITIONS WERE IN THE PACKET. OR WERE THEY JUST GENERAL THEY WERE AGAINST. THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE PACKET WAS LOADED. BUT YES, THEY WERE JUST YOUR GENERAL OPPOSITION. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THEM THE THAT BACKS THE ONE TO THE EAST. HAD A REQUEST THAT THERE. AFTER THIS, WE HAVE A COPY ATTACHED TO THIS. AND THEIR CONCERNS WERE WITH THE WITH THE COPY THAT IS REQUESTING THE RV. USE. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING ALL THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE ALONG THEIR PROPERTY. AND CURRENTLY, IT MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD PROBLEMS. WITH THEIR FENCING AND PEOPLE COMING OVER TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS. THE OTHER ONE TO THE WEST. IT WAS JUST A THE OPPOSITION LETTER WAS SENT BACK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE BIT TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND HALF. WE'LL OPEN UP DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER. ANYONE HERE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE? I'M VERY EARLY, AND I LIVE IT. 1502. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? I'M SORRY. LARRY. THERE, HARLEY. THANK YOU SIR. I OPPOSE THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I DO. OKAY. CAN I ASK HER? YES, SIR. WHEN DID THIS MAN BUY THIS LAND? [00:35:02] DO YOU KNOW? I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID. HAS IT BEEN YOURS? THE APPLICANT. THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, SO HE MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN HE PURCHASED IT. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE HELP. THEY'RE USING IT RIGHT NOW AS A DUMPING GROUND WHEN THEY REVIVE WALMART. YES, SIR. ALL OF THEIR GROUND UP, BABY. IT'S JUST OUTSIDE MY BEDROOM WINDOW. OKAY, THAT LASTED FROM SIX IN THE MORNING TILL ABOUT NOON EVERY DAY FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WHEN THAT WAS OVER, ABOUT A WEEK LATER, THEY STARTED BRINGING IN OTHER TILINGS FROM SOMEWHERE THAT LASTED FROM MIDNIGHT TO FOUR IN THE MORNING. NOW THIS IS OUTSIDE MY BEDROOM. WHEN THAT WAS THROUGH, I THOUGHT WERE THROUGH. OVER. THEY STARTED AGAIN. FROM TWO UNTIL SIX. FOR TWO WEEKS. TWO IN THE MORNING UNTIL SIX. NOW IT'S JUST A GREAT BIG SQUARE IN THE AREA. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH IT? THE ROAD OUT THERE IS NOT FROM ROCKY CREEK BACK TO THE HIGHWAY. IT'S NOT EVEN PREPARED FOR THE TRUCKS FROM WALMART. WHEN THEY. BRANDED WALMART MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, WE WERE ASSURED THERE WOULD BE NO TRUCKS ON THAT STREET. THEY PUT UP SIGNS. NO TRUCKS. A COUPLE OF YEARS OF SIGNS THAT'S DISAPPEARED. NOW THERE ARE TRUCKS CONSTANTLY. COCA-COLA. COME ON. NOW THEY'RE COMING UP AND DOWN IN BOTH WAYS. IT'S JUST. I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH THE ZONING. IT'S JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THERE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. THE TAILINGS OF THE GRAVEL, WHATEVER. AND THAT'S A GREAT BIG AREA. THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE TODAY. AND SO I THINK HE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS ITEM IS PAIRED WITH THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AND SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPEN DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON THIS ITEM. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. ROSENBAUM. ROSENBAUM ENGINEERING, 2326 WILLIAM COURT. AGAIN, THE REASON FOR FOR DOWNGRADING THIS FROM FROM GENERAL RETAIL AND AND MEDIUM DENSITY IS TO GO TO AN A OH. SO WE CAN DO AN RV PARK WHICH IS IN THE WHICH IS IN THE NEXT CASE. SO THIS IS REALLY A JUST A CHANGE IN IT BECAUSE RV PARKS AREN'T ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL OR MEDIUM DENSITY. THEY'RE ALLOWED IN A OH IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND I THINK HEAVY COMMERCIAL. SO IT'S REALLY JUST A CHANGE OF ZONING SO THAT WE THE CONDITIONAL USE IS REALLY FOR THE FOR THE ONE THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, REGARDLESS OF, OF EITHER WAY THE OWNER PREFERS TO BE AT AN A OH ZONING. SO IT SEEMS NATURAL JUST, JUST TO DO THAT. SO. OKAY, WE CAN ADDRESS THE OTHER THINGS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE IF YOU'D LIKE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS. I'LL TELL YOU, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST HALF, A GENERAL DOWNGRADING IN AN AREA THAT'S SURROUNDED BY AOE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TOWARDS THAT. SO I WOULD THINK THERE MAY BE MORE DISCUSSION ON THE SECOND HALF, BUT AT LEAST ON THIS PORTION. SO ANY MOTIONS OR SECONDS THAT WE CAN TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND KEVIN WITH THE SECOND. MR. BARNETT? YES. MR. HOUSE? YES. MISS. YES. MR. HALLIBURTON? YES. MISS LEWIS? YES. MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FOUR CUP 2025 DASH 15 RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION. PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO APPLY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO APPROXIMATELY 33.89 ACRES. ZONED AGRICULTURAL. OPEN JUST RECENTLY TO ALLOW FOR AN RV PARK LOCATED AT PARCEL ID 75888. [00:40:08] HELLO AGAIN. BEFORE US CUP 20 2015. AGAIN. AND THE OWNER IS RAINY CREEK LLC REPRESENTATIVE MR. CLINT ROSENBAUM. THE REQUEST IS A CUP, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN RV PARK AT THE SAME LOCATION ALONG EAST LOUDON STREET. THIS IS NOW A ZONE, A CULTURAL OPEN PER CITY COUNCIL PER MINUTES. WE CAN ASSUME IT'S ZONED TO YOU. WE CAN ASSUME IT WILL BE ZONE AGRICULTURAL OPEN BECAUSE THE DOWNGRADE, AS YOU MENTIONED, DOWN ZONE. THESE ARE THE ALLOWED USES IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN. AS YOU MENTIONED, IT IS A VACATION TRAVEL TRAILER PARK, WHICH REQUIRES THE CUP. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH AN ENTRANCE OFF OF EAST LONDON. PROPERTY VIEWS. AND A COUPLE PICTURES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVE TWO IN OPPOSITION. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT, PLAN, PLAN OF OPERATION AND ALL THE LDC REQUIREMENTS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS ARE THOSE CONSIDERED CONDITIONS. OR WILL WE JUST SAY SUBJECT TO YES, SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PLAN OF OPERATION WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC ANYWAY. OKAY. YES. SO SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND PLAN OF OPERATION. AND THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON NOTABLE THAT WOULDN'T MEET THE LDC. BUT THOSE LIKE MISS KELLY SAID THEY HAVE TO MEET. OKAY. ON THIS ONE, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE WRITTEN OBJECTIONS OR WERE THEY THE SAME? YES. SAME AS THE PREVIOUS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? COULD WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN? WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU. BRAD, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CLINT ROSENBAUM, ROSENBAUM ENGINEERING, 2326 WILLIAM COURT. GO BACK TO THE AERIAL PICTURE, MELISSA, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CAN YOU DO THAT? CAN YOU? YEAH. THAT ONE. OKAY, SO TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE REAL QUICK, YOU CAN SEE THE TO THE, TO THE EAST THERE YOU SEE THAT BIG LAKE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. THAT IS A TRIBUTARY OF RAINY CREEK, AND IT'S AN UNSTUDIED TRIBUTARY. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S A IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY, OKAY. AND IT'S UNSTUDIED. SO TO DO ANYTHING DOWN IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF THE NORTH END OF THIS PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE TO STUDY THE FLOODWAY. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO A FEMA TYPE STUDY, WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THE FIRST COMMENT WAS ABOUT BEING CLOSE TO IT AND BUILDING TO IT, WHICH IS THE THE HOMEOWNER THAT HAS THE BASICALLY THAT BIGGEST PART OF THAT POND IN THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AN ODD SHAPED FLAG LOT THERE. AND THEY CAN'T REALLY BUILD DOWN IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY OR IT'S IN AN UNSTUDIED FLOODWAY AREA. SO THEY'D HAVE TO STUDY IT AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO EVEN BUILD DOWN IN THERE. BUT THERE'S A LARGE CREEK THERE. SO IF THEY WOULD BUILD ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE UP AND FURTHER TO THE EAST FROM THERE. ON THE OTHER SIDE THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE TAILINGS AND THE THINGS IN THE BUILDINGS AND, AND A LOT OF THE BASE MATERIAL. WALMART HAS JUST DONE AN EXPANSION TO THEIR PARKING AREA AND, AND PAVING AREA. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. HEALY TO BUY THE BUILDINGS FROM THAT REDO OF THE PAVING WAS THERE. SO HE BOUGHT THOSE BUILDINGS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE ROADS THAT WERE WITHIN THE CONCEPT PLAN OF THE, OF THE RV PARK. SO THOSE ARE STACKED THERE TO DO THE ROAD WORK INSIDE THE RV PARK. OKAY. NOW YOU CAN GO TO THE CONCEPT PLAN IF YOU WANT TO. CHRIS. AND THAT'S OUR CONCEPT PLAN. REALLY? FROM BASICALLY THOSE RV SPOTS THAT RUN UP AND DOWN THE PAGE FROM WHERE IT SAYS PLAYGROUND UP THE PAGE THAT'S IN THE FLOODWAY, AND WE REALLY CAN'T DEVELOP THAT ANYWAY, SO WHEN WE PLAT IT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAT THAT AS OPEN SPACE. GREEN SPACE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAN SOMETHING WE CAN BUILD. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A DROP OFF RIGHT THERE, ABOUT 12 FOOT DROP OFF RIGHT IN THAT AREA THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE CREEK AND DOWN INTO THE FLOODWAY AREA. SO REALLY THE DEVELOPMENT IS UP ON UP ON THIS SIDE. [00:45:05] AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT LOUD AND WE'LL HAVE TO DEVELOP OUR HALF A LOUDON IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO THAT'S WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. THIS HAS GOT ABOUT 100 AND 710 RV LOTS IN IT. AND WE HAVE A THE PLAN OF OPERATION. AND IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO BE DONE AT ONE TIME. WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF BUILD IT OUT IN A COUPLE OF PHASES. THAT FENCED IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BUFFER ZONE AROUND IT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THEM MEET ALL THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS. DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR THE TO TO GO WITH EITHER SIDE OF IT. IS YOUR PLAN RIGHT NOW A FENCE OR SPACE? FENCE. FENCE? YEAH. TO HIT THOSE POINTS. YES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLINT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS. UP THERE. WOULD YOU COME? WOULD YOU? YEAH. WOULD YOU COME UP AND ASK THIS QUESTION AND THEN HE CAN GET BACK UP TO RESPOND TO IT? THAT WAY, FOR ANYONE WATCHING ON TV, WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY HEAR, OKAY. YEAH. LARRY HILL AND I WALKED THE PROPERTY WITH MY HUSBAND, DOCTOR HALBERT, AND ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, DAN, WHO IS NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS. BUT WE WERE VERY CONCERNED INITIALLY ABOUT THE RV DESIGNATION. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS WHAT DAN LARRY HAD SHARED WITH US IS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN UPSCALE RV AREA. THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS. THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT ON THE PART OF THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO LOUDON. AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK HE SAID A THIRD. IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. YEAH. THE PLAN. LIKE THE FRONT THIRD? YEAH, THAT CONCEPT PLAN RIGHT THERE. IF YOU. OKAY. OKAY. AND ANYWAY, WHEN WE WALKED IT WITH THEM, BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT TO THE NORTH ALL THE WAY DOWN, AND LARRY WAS NICE ENOUGH TO REPLACE OUR MUTUAL FENCE LINE, WHICH WE APPRECIATED. THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF ROCK WORK AND PUT IN ANOTHER POND, AND IT LOOKS VERY NICE BACK THERE. IT'S IN THAT FLOOD ZONE, I ASSUME THE SLANTED LINES OF THE FLOOD ZONE. I THINK THE SLANTED LINES ARE PARKING SPOTS, RV SPOTS. OH, OKAY. UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO THE FRONT. OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE WALKING WITH THEM, HE SAID THAT FLOOD ZONE, YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING IN THERE ANYWAY, AND IT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT TO ALLEVIATE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT US EVEN ALMOST SEEING ANY OF THE RVS, AT LEAST YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THE GRAY SLATS LIKE TOWARDS THE DOOR, SIR? YEAH. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO JUST COME UP AND TALK JUST FOR. YES, YES. YEAH. THIS IS MY SON, DYSON. YEAH. SORRY, BUT SO I, I THINK WHAT LARRY IS SAYING THAT INITIALLY THAT WAS GOING TO BE PARKING, BUT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYMORE. WILL MR. ROSENBAUM HEARING YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW HOW CLOSE TO LOUDON VERSUS HOW FAR IT GOES NORTH? OKAY. HOW THAT LOT, HOW THAT LOT FLOWS BECAUSE OF THE UNSTUDIED WATER FLOOD ZONE. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THERE'S ENOUGH OF LAND BETWEEN US THAT CAN'T REALLY BE BUILT ON. AND SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE WENT AHEAD. WE WERE OKAY WITH THE AOE AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO OPPOSE THE V. BUT AFTER WALKING THE PROPERTY AND THE CONCEPT THAT HE EXPLAINED TO US WAS THAT WE FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE OKAY, YOU FELT LIKE IT WAS FAR ENOUGH BUFFER FOR YOU TO NOT OBJECT, RIGHT? OKAY. RIGHT. SO BUT LIKE I SAID, THE CONCEPT, I WAS A LITTLE THROWN WHEN I SAW THE THE LITTLE STRIPES. THANK YOU, MR. ROSENBERG. SO, SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN, AND IT STILL IS A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THE PART, THE PART TO THE NORTH. AND IF YOU AGAIN GO CLOSER, GO BACK TO THE AERIAL. YOU SEE ABOUT WHERE ALONG THERE WHERE IT KIND OF CHANGES. THERE'S A HORIZONTAL KIND OF A HORIZONTAL LINE IN THERE. THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THE BACK OF THE RV PARK IS GOING TO BE. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS DOWN IN THAT UNSTUDIED AREA. TO GET DOWN IN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A FLOOD STUDY, AND THAT FLOOD STUDY IS GOING TO COST 30 OR 40 GRAND JUST TO GET DOWN IN THERE. AND THEN WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET DOWN IN THERE. SO. SO IT'S REALLY UNUSABLE PROPERTY UNTIL WE DO A FLOOD STUDY AND WE'LL PLANT THE WHOLE PROPERTY TOGETHER. [00:50:06] BUT IN THE PLAT THAT ANYTHING DOWN THAT HILL THERE IS GOING TO BE DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE OR, OR WHATEVER TO NOT BUILD IN APPROXIMATELY THE BACK 40% OF THE LOT. YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T. IT'S PROBABLY LIKE 30. BUT YEAH, YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE TO BE DEVELOPED. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP DOWN IN THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE DEVELOP? IT COULD BE DEVELOPED. CAN WE GO? THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS DO A FEMA STUDY TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF WE CAN EVEN DEVELOP DOWN IN THERE. IT MAY BE THAT THE THAT THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION DOWN IN THERE IS SUCH THAT, THAT IT'S UNUSABLE ANYWAY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CONCEPT PLAN REAL QUICK? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I DO SEE RV SPOTS SHOWN ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN, AND SINCE IT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS BE INCLUDED. RIGHT. WE DO HAVE RV SPOTS BACK THERE. SO ARE THOSE SAYING THIS WAS AN INITIAL CONCEPT OR THAT IS THE CONCEPT? WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD BACK THERE MAY NOT EVER COME UP BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S AN UNSTUDIED FLOOD AREA. GOTCHA. SO IN ORDER FOR THESE RV SPOTS THAT WE SEE IN THAT AREA TO GET OUT THERE, I SAID WE WERE LOOKING AT BUILDING IN STAGES. AND SO THAT WOULD BE TRYING TO BUILD IN THAT FLOODWAY AREA IS GOING TO BE THE LAST THING THAT WE WOULD STUDY AND TRY TO BUILD IN. I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S 100%, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY CERTAIN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TOO DIFFICULT TO BUILD DOWN IN THERE. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER? YES. OH. CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP AND ADDRESS THE MICROPHONE AGAIN? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO PLANS TO BUILD THERE, BUT WHAT POSITION WOULD WE BE IN IF IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE FLOODPLAIN WAS DONE AND THEY WANTED TO PUT RVS BACK THERE. WOULD WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME OR. NO, MA'AM, IF WE IF WE APPROVE IT TODAY. AND THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S APPROVED AND THEN IT'S LATER APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. THEN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE FEMA STUDY AND FIND OUT THAT THE BACK THIRD OF THAT PROPERTY OR FOURTH OF THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY COULD BE BUILT ON THIS PLAN DOES HAVE THAT SPOTS COULD BE BACK THERE. AND SO THAT THAT IS THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TODAY. OKAY. WELL, AND UNLESS IT'S CHANGED TO NOT PURSUE THAT FLOOD ZONE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY NO, WE DON'T WANT THE RV. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD CHANGE WHAT I TURNED IN. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, WE'LL CHANGE THE CONCEPT PLAN TO TAKE OFF ANY RV PARKS PAST THAT. THE THAT ROW WHERE IT SAYS PLAYGROUND. EVERYTHING FROM THAT PLAYGROUND. THIS WAY. WE'LL LEAVE EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH OF THAT WILL TAKE OFF. SO THE THE LINE, THE HORIZONTAL LINE OF DIAGONAL KIND OF ONES. YEAH. TWO THIRDS. THOSE WOULD STAY. THOSE WOULD STAY. BUT THEN NOTHING FROM THE DARK GREEN BACK. YEP. OKAY. THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER. NOTHING FROM THE DARK GREEN BACK IN THE PART THAT YOU ANTICIPATE TO NOT BE BUILDABLE ANYWAY. YEAH. SO WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT OFF AND WE'LL REDO THE CONCEPT PLAN TO SHOW IT THAT WAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME? VERY EARLY. AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN BACK THERE AND LOOKED AT THE FLOOD ZONE. THE FLOOD ZONE? THERE'S PEOPLE LIVING THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A MOTORHOME AND A TRAILER TRAVEL TRAILER BACK THERE NOW IN THE FLOOD ZONE, AND IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE RIGHT AFTER YOU BOUGHT IT. I JUST NEVER MET THE MAN. NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO TALK. I ONLY TALKED WITH A REPRESENTATIVE AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, AND HE WASN'T IF HE FELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? POINT OF INFORMATION. DAISY WILLIAMS. I'M THE SON. HELP MOTHER AND STEP DAD ALL THE TIME. I THINK THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEGOTIATION. JUST THAT THAT NORTHERN HALF MAKE GREEN SPACE, RELAXATION, WALKING, PRAYER, QUIET TIME. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. IT KEEPS. IT KEEPS PEOPLE OFF THAT FLOOD ZONE AND ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ARE ON HILLCREST AND WHATNOT. AND YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF SUCCESS FOR RV PARKS IN ABILENE. PEOPLE. PEOPLE NEED PLACES TO SLEEP. THEY'RE WORKING ON A DATA CENTER. SO ANYWAYS, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MOVE. WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED A MOMENT AGO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [00:55:02] I'LL ASK TIM KELLY. WE WERE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN UNDER THE PROPOSAL THAT MR. ROSENBAUM SHARED TODAY. HE COULD ADJUST THAT. SO WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WAS AGREED TO TODAY. WOULD THAT BE. WHERE WOULD THAT BE? JUST MAKE IT PART OF YOUR MOTION. MAKE IT PART OF OUR MOTION. SUBJECT TO. SUBJECT TO. SUBJECT TO. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I THINK WE WOULD PHRASE THAT AS SUBJECT TO THE AGREEMENTS MADE BY THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE IN HIS PRESENTATION. WOULD THAT BE. WELL, YOU COULD, INSTEAD OF EVEN AN AGREEMENT, JUST SAY SOME LIKE AN AMENDED CONCEPT PLAN AS, AS STATED AT THE MEETING. WITHOUT THE BACK THIRD BEING DEVELOPED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST. AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S JUST CLEAR WHEN IT GETS TO COUNCIL AND THEY CAN SUBMIT A NEW ONE. SO ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST US RELATED TO THE CONCEPT PLAN OR ANYTHING. OKAY. THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IF IT'S A ONE FOR APPROVAL THEN LET ME TAKE A STAB AT IT. LET KELLY TRY TO HELP US WORK THROUGH IT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE MODIFIED ACCORDING TO THE THE AGREEMENTS MADE BY THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE TODAY. AND ALL LDC REQUIREMENTS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS. IN THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND THE PLAN OF OPERATION. THANK YOU. SO CLOSE. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO MISS SOMETHING. SO, KEVIN AND SHANTI. MR. BARNETT? YES. MR. HOUSE? YES. MISS COCKER? YES. MR. HALLIBURTON? YES. MISS LEWIS? YES. MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ZONING CASE 2025 DASH 23 RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION. PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 4.46 ACRES FROM A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. PD 42 TO AGRICULTURAL. OPEN AT 4051 WEST LAKE ROAD. ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. ADAM HOLLAND, THE PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. THIS IS KC 20 2523, OWNED BY MARLA POLLITT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 4.46 ACRES FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 42 TO AGRICULTURAL OPEN. HERE'S A LOCATION MAP. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 4051 WEST LAKE ROAD. THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE WEST 500FT OF LOT FOR 411 TO AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO MATCH THE EAST PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY. HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS CURRENTLY A PD TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES. RECENTLY, A CUP WAS GRANTED FOR THE EAST PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR AN RV PARK. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THAT EAST HALF EAST PORTION OF IT. SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO REZONE IT TO AGRICULTURAL OPEN. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS OF THE OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. CURRENTLY, PROPERTIES NEARBY ARE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MOBILE AND MANUFACTURED HOMES NEARBY AS WELL. WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVED NONE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. ANYONE CARE TO ADDRESS IT? SEE, NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTIONS? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. SHE'S GOT IT. SORRY. YES. WE'LL LET KRISTEN TAKE IT. YOU GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, MR. BARNETT. YES, MR. HOUSE. MISS KIGER. MR. HALLIBURTON. YES. MISS LEWIS? YES. MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER SIX. ZONING CASE 20 2524. RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER. TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 140.25 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO PATIO HOME LOCATED AT 3802 STEWART ROAD. ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON ONCE AGAIN. [01:00:01] MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. THIS IS CASE Z 20 2524. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY PRESTIGE STEWART ABILENE, LLC. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 140.25 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL, OPEN TO PATIO HOMES. THIS IS LOCATED AT 3802 STEWART ROAD. HERE IS A AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. HERE IS A CURRENT ZONING MAP SHOWING THE ZONING OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND NEARBY EXISTING PROPERTY. SORRY, WHAT'S THE BASE OF THAT? PD THAT IS PD ONE. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE BASE. OKAY. THE AIR FORCE BASE. SO JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY SIX. WITH AGRICULTURAL OPEN SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE TJ IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. LIKE I SAID THAT PD JUST TO THE NORTHWEST IS THE AIR FORCE BASE. OKAY. HERE ARE THE ALLOWED USES IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING. SO THIS IS WHAT'S PERMITTED CURRENTLY. AND HERE ARE THE USES IN PATIO HOME ZONING. WHAT? THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO. HERE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS. STUART ROAD AND AUTUMN SAGE ROAD. AS IS SHOWN RIGHT THERE. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT. WITH SOME NEIGHBORING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE. TO THE EAST OF THE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS OUR NOTIFICATION MAP. WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE TIME PERMITTED TO PLACE IT ON THIS THIS AGENDA. AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE ADDITIONAL IN OPPOSITION HERE TODAY. THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. I HAVE SEVERAL, SO I ACTUALLY HAD A CLIENT AT ONE POINT. HE WAS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THIS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN HE WENT ON TO LOOK AT THE CITY WEBSITE, AS FAR AS AN DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY SEWAGE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. LIKE WHERE THE WHERE THAT GOES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. HAS THAT ALL BEEN CHANGED TO NOW THE CITY IS TAKING ALL OF THAT IN. SEWER IS A PART OF THEIR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF PLATTING. SO THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS FROM THIS, THIS ZONING, ZONING. I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT ALL THOSE HOMES, AND THERE'S. YES. DEFINITELY NOT AN OUT THERE. JUST. YEAH, THEY'LL THEY WILL HAVE TO CONTACT TALK WITH OUR, OUR WATER DEPARTMENT FOR ADEQUATE ACCESS FOR THE SEWER AND WATER. BUT I BELIEVE THEY HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOMETHING. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM ON THE WRITTEN OBJECTION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT THEY HAVE ANY DETAIL ON THEIR OBJECTION, OR WAS IT JUST IN GENERAL? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS SUBMITTED HERE TODAY. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? JOHN 6702 ADAM SAGE I'M THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE TO THE. IT SURROUNDS MY PROPERTY, ACTUALLY. I'M TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH OF IT, SO I'M THAT LITTLE CORNER. THE NEXT CORNER OVER IS HOMER'S PROPERTY. HE'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME. WHEN I ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS FOR THE ONE USE THAT I COULD RETIRE THERE AND ENJOY THE PROPERTY. VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON PEPPER GRASS, WHERE THERE'S INTRINSIC VALUE TO THOSE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THERE'S LAND TO IT. IF YOU PUT THE MOST DENSE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TOGETHER, EVENTUALLY IT FAILS. AND I CAN PROVE THAT BECAUSE I AM A DEVELOPER MYSELF IN THE SENSE OF I'VE DEVELOPED A SMALL PROPERTIES, ONE OF THEM THAT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT IS A TOTAL FAILURE IN THE CITY OF ABILENE IS COCKRELL. YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO COCKRELL? WELL, YOU SEE, ORIGINALLY BACK IN THE 1950S, THEY PLACED VERY TINY LOTS, FIVE, 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THERE. AND IF YOU GO THERE NOW, THERE'S CONSTANT DRUGS, THERE'S CONSTANT POLICE ACTIVITY. [01:05:01] THERE'S AMBULANCES THERE FOR THE DRUG ACTIVITY. WELL, OVER HALF THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN, AND IT'S NOT KEPT UP TO THE POINT WHERE, AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE EARLIER SPOKE, THAT THERE IS A RIVER. THERE'S AN ACTUAL RIVER THAT GOES DOWN COCKRELL. ANYTIME IT RAINS. BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT KEPT UP BECAUSE NOBODY CARES. NOBODY CARES ANYMORE. IT WAS DONE 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE SOMEBODY 50 YEARS AGO MADE THE MONEY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE RIGHT THERE ON OAK STREET. I DEVELOPED A HOUSE THERE, THEIR REMODEL THAT I SHOULD SAY. AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, IT LITERALLY JUST BURNED DOWN TWO MONTHS AGO. WHERE NOW SOMEONE BOUGHT IT AND RECITED IT AND PUT SOME WINDOWS IN THERE. HOWEVER, THAT HOUSE USED TO BE A DRUG DEN. ACTUAL DRUG DEN BECAUSE OF THESE TINY LOTS. IT JUST IT'S LIKE GRASSHOPPERS THAT TURN INTO LOCUSTS. THEY JUST RUB ON EACH OTHER AND RUB AND RUB UNTIL THEY FINALLY GET SO AGITATED. THEY FLY AND DESTROY EVERYTHING AROUND. AND I DON'T WANT MY FOUR ACRES DESTROYED BY PEOPLE RUBBING NEXT TO ME. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S WHATEVER PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING, COMPLETELY DENSE AROUND THEM OR BEING AROUND ME. I WANT PEPPER GRASS. I WANT TO FEEL CALM AND TRANQUIL IN MY SURROUNDINGS. I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 40 POVERTY POINT CIRCLE UP ON LAKE FORT PHANTOM. HOWEVER, MY GOAL IS TO FINISH THAT HOUSE AND MOVE AND DEVELOP MY PROPERTY. SO I HAVE I MEAN, 100% COMPLETE OBJECTION TO A HIGH DENSITY USAGE OF THIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, IF IT WERE TO BE ZONED TO LIGHT RESIDENTIAL, I WOULD I WOULD BE 100% IN FAVOR OF THAT. OR HE CAN BUY MY PROPERTY. I'LL GO. I'LL JUST GO AWAY. THANK YOU. MY TIME. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER? MY NAME IS KELLY GOMES. I'M WITH CRG CIVIL ENGINEERS. WE'RE LOCATED AT 2150 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, SUITE 200 AND MCKINNEY, TEXAS 7572. I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. AND JUST TO POINT OUT THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING. IT'S NOT A PD. AND WE INTEND TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR PATIO HOMES AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THIS OWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO BUY YOU OUT. WE COULD TALK. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BOB CARLSON, 6917 INVERNESS. MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE. WHERE'S THE ACCESS? THERE IS NO ACCESS. BESIDES, NO SEWER, NO WATER. YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE LAST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE. AND YOUR QUESTION? I UNDERSTAND, BUT FROM A THAT OLD TO ME. WELL, FROM A PLANNING THAT WILL BE HANDLED THE CITY IMPROVEMENTS, THE ACCESS. I MEAN, STEWART'S NOT EVEN A REAL ROAD IN MANY PARTS OF IT RIGHT NOW. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVED, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIGHER DENSITY OR ANY TYPES OF HOMES, LET ALONE HIGHER, HIGHER DENSITY HOMES, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ON ONE IN, ONE IN AN OUT SPOT. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, I ALSO, FROM THE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN IN OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WE COULD HAVE 3 TO 4000 NEW AIRMEN WITH THE NEW BOMBER COMING TO THE COMING TO ABILENE. AND SO I BELIEVE I BELIEVE ABILENE WILL BE IN A HOUSING SHORTAGE. WE ALREADY ARE TO AN EXTENT, BUT MUCH MORE EXTREME IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND SO RELATIVELY WELL MAINTAINED, GOOD PATIO HOMES CLOSE TO THE AIR FORCE BASE TO ME MAKE. MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, THOUGH THERE IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A BIG EMPTY LOT WITH NO ROADS, NO IMPROVEMENTS, PROBABLY NO SEWAGE ACCESS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THERE CERTAINLY IS A LOT TO DO TO GET IT TO THAT POINT. BUT I WOULD BE PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING A DEVELOPER TO VET THIS LOT FOR, FOR AN ACTIVITY LIKE THIS. SO I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE OF ADDING THOSE AMENITIES, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT GOES ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. [01:10:03] WHEN I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO WORK AT THE AIR FORCE BASE THAT ARE PLANNING TO BE THERE FOR TWO YEARS, THAT A PATIO HOME THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO MAINTAIN IS SOMETHING THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO THEM VERSUS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, A BIG LOT OR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I CAN I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THIS CLOSE TO AN AIR FORCE BASE WOULD MAKE SENSE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? ANY MOTIONS? EMOTIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE. KEVIN. MOTIONS. SHANTE. SECONDS. MR. BARNETT. YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MR.. YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS. LEWIS? YES. MR.. SEATS. YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. VERY GRATEFUL. THANK YOU. ONE THING I'LL SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE. I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB TALKING IT OUT. IF YOU EVER OBJECT TO ONE, FEEL FREE TO VOTE NO. WE'RE RECOMMENDING BOARD ON ANYTHING. I APPRECIATE US HAVING TALKING IT OUT, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT WAS HERE TODAY, I THINK EVERY ONE OF US HAD SLIGHT RESERVATIONS, THOUGH NONE OF US WERE COMPLETELY AGAINST IT. AND SO. BUT FEEL FREE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS. AND IF WE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING, OR EVEN IF YOU JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW. WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A43 OR 521 RATHER THAN A70. AND SO JUST FEEL FREE TO VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE. AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR COMING ONCE A MONTH TO DO THIS. SO WE'LL CLOSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.