ALRIGHT. APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY. IT IS 133. WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR THE APPROVAL OF PLATS.HOWEVER, IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF ZONING.
THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY, NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING, AND ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT'S UNDER OR ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION FROM THE CHAIR. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR APPEARING.
EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.
ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
A FEW HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS. I'D LIKE TO START.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS AN ORDINANCE THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE THAT ITEM TO THE TO THE VERY END OF THE AGENDA TODAY.
AND SO THAT WAY WHEN YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS DONE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE.
JUST DO SO IN A RESPECTFUL WAY OF EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S STILL HERE WAITING.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERY OTHER AGENDA ITEM WILL GO IN THE ORDER AS I SEE FIT.
KEVIN, WOULD YOU START US WITH A PRAYER? YES.
DEAR FATHER, WE'RE MINDFUL OF OF HOW MUCH WE NEED DIVINE GUIDANCE TODAY AS WE MAKE DECISIONS AND HEAR CONCERNS AND HEAR ARGUMENTS, WE JUST PRAY FOR CLARITY FOR EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS TODAY. WE ASK FOR WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AS WE HEAR AND AND UNDERSTAND.
AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEST FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
WE PRAY FOR OUR NATION, FOR OUR CITY, FOR OUR STATE.
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HAVE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ANY COMMENTS OR ISSUES THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING.DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH LAST MONTH'S MEETING MINUTES? SORRY, THAT'S SEVERAL MS IN A ROW. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING LAST MONTH'S MINUTES SAY AYE.
AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NO ONE THAT PASSES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. CUP 2025 DASH 16. RECEIVE A REPORT.
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HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION. TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO APPLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO A PROPERTY TO ALLOW A TATTOO PARLOR LOCATED AT 202 PINE STREET.ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND.
I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. THIS IS CASEY CUP 20 2516, OWNED BY MODUS INVESTMENTS, LLC. REPRESENTED BY BAILEY HYDE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO APPLY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TATTOO PARLOR AT 202 PINE STREET.
HERE'S A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
HERE IS A ZONING MAP SHOWING CURRENT ZONING OF ALL PROPERTIES ADJACENT.
THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED CB. SO IS EVERYTHING IN ITS SURROUNDING VICINITY.
THIS WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN THAT BUILDING ON THE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.
THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES CURRENTLY.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE NOTIFICATION IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD, WE COULD ACCEPT THEM, AND WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL MORE IN FAVOR AS WELL.
MORE RECENTLY THEY JUST WERE NOT ABLE TO BE PUT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NONE IN OPPOSITION FOR THIS REQUEST.
WE HAVE FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION.
YES. THAT'S THAT'S LISTED. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ADAM. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS. I'LL TELL YOU. WE'VE HAD TWO SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS.
WE'VE HAD TWO IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ONE AT PEACOCK PATIO.
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AND SO I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS COMING ALONGSIDE TO SUPPORT IT AND TO JUST KIND OF GIVE THAT GREEN LIGHT.SO I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE'LL LET KRISTEN SECOND. SO KEVIN WITH THE FIRST.
KRISTEN WITH THE SECOND, MR. BARNETT. YES, MR. HOUSE. YES, MISS COCKER? YES. MR. HALLIBURTON.
YES, MISS LEWIS. YES. MR.. SEITZ. YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
HOG ZONING CASE 2020 501. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER'S AGENT TO APPLY A HISTORIC ZONE OVERLAY TO APPROXIMATELY 0.42 ACRES. CURRENTLY ZONED HEAVY COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 774 BUTTERNUT STREET, KIRA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KIRA VALOIS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY I'M REPRESENTING CASE H O Z 2020 501.
THE OWNER IS THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF ABILENE. THE REQUEST IS THAT HISTORIC OVERLAY TO 774 BUTTERNUT.
THE SUBJECT RESIDENCE EXHIBITS TYPICAL PRAIRIE SCHOOL STYLE ARCHITECTURE, INCLUDING A TWO STORY FRAME DWELLING AND A LOW PITCHED HIP ROOF AND TWO INTERIOR BRICK CHIMNEYS. THE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE BRICK VENEER, AND THE ROOF IS COMPOSITION SHINGLES.
THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS SET WITHIN THE CENTER BAY PORCH.
THE FLANKING BAYS HAVE A BRICK BALUSTRADE CAPPED WITH CARSTONE COPING.
HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP.
HERE ARE VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SOME ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HERE ARE SOME HISTORICAL PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS ARE PRESENT.
THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF ABILENE SINCE 1976.
THE HOME IS INCLUDED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
HAS HAVING SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE TYPICAL PRAIRIE SCHOOL STYLE.
THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIRA? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? NO. I THOUGHT IT ALREADY WAS IN THE HISTORIC.
YES. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED IT WASN'T ALREADY AS WELL.
SO IS THAT A MOTION? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE. PERSON WITH A FIRST.
ANYBODY WITH A SECOND, A SECOND WITH A SECOND.
MR. BARNETT? YES, MR. HOUSE? YES, YES. MR. HALLIBURTON.
YES. MR. LEWIS. YES. MR. SYKES. YES. AND MR. BENHAM.
YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES AGAIN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
DASH 26 RECEIVED A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE A ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 29.26 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. LOCATED AT 499 FOUR WEST LAKE ROAD, KIRRA.
HELLO, MY NAME IS KIRA, VILLAGE PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF ABILENE.
TODAY I'M REPRESENTING CASE Z 20 2526. THE AGENT IS COLTON RHODES.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 29.26 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURE OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 4994 WEST LAKE ROAD. HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP.
THE ZONING MAP. HERE WE HAVE SOME VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURE.
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OPEN ZONING. PERMITTED USES IN GENERAL. COMMERCIAL ZONING.NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT IN A 200 FOOT BUFFER.
TWO WERE RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION RESULTING IN 16.52% IN OPPOSITION.
ONE ADDITIONAL WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, NOT IN TIME FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
THIS CASE WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AT THE SEPTEMBER 2ND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO REZONE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND THEY HAVE CHANGED IT TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE OBJECTIONS THAT ANYBODY FILED? NO, SIR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KYRA? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. YES, WE HEARD IT IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? I REALLY WOULDN'T LIKE TO COME AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER. I'M FAR TOO OLD, AND I DON'T LOOK THAT GOOD ON TV.
OKAY, HERE WE GO. THREE MINUTES. I PRAY THIS MORNING THAT I WOULD NOT BABBLE.
I WAS HERE LAST TIME, AND MY OBJECTIONS TO THIS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME.
TO BEGIN WITH, I WANT TO SAY THIS TO MR. RHODES.
THEY WERE SUPER GOOD NEIGHBORS. THEY BUILT THE MOST WONDERFUL HOUSE, AND WE ENJOYED THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT HE DOES NOT WANT THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO JUST GO UP IN SMOKE.
BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, MAYBE LONG TERM, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
INSTANT GRATIFICATION DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK IN MY CASE.
OKAY. NUMBER ONE, THE OBJECTION IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
TRAFFIC ON 600 IS GOES MANY PLACES. IT GOES TO FORT PHANTOM HILL.
FRONTIER TEXAS HAS WORKED HARD TO DEVELOP THAT CADRE.
IT GOES TO THE VETERANS CEMETERY. IT GOES TO THE LAKE.
IT'S A RECREATIONAL HIGHWAY. I MEAN, YOUR PATH, TRUCK TRAFFIC AND COMMERCIAL HAS ALWAYS DONE FAIRLY WELL OVER ON 277 NORTH. AND IT'S NOT PRETTY, IS IT? BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THE TRAFFIC ON 600 GOES PRETTY FAST. THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE PENITENTIARY, THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM ANSON AND THE SCHOOL BUSSES THAT COME DOWN THAT WAY, IT'S I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON 600 THAT THAT SEEMS TO ME TO NOT BE THAT GOOD. WE'VE SPENT I'VE WATCHED ABILENE STRUGGLE OVER THE YEARS.
WE'VE JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES UNDER THE DAM.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM ABILENE JUST TAKE LEISURE DRIVES OUT AROUND THAT LOOP, YOU KNOW, AND COME BACK UP. 1082. I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUCK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO IS GOING TO WORK WITH THAT.
600 ALSO HAS A SLIGHT CURVE AT EITHER END OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO THAT IS BEING ASKED TO REZONE, WHICH CAUSES THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WRECKS AT EITHER END OF THAT THAT HAVE ENDED IN FATALITIES.
OH, MAN. THIS SOUNDS KIND OF TACKY, BUT I'M GOING TO ADD IT.
DO WE REALLY WANT THE ENTRANCE TO ABILENE TO LOOK LIKE DRIVING INTO ODESSA IN THE 50S AND 60S? YOU CAN FINISH. AND IF YOU'D ALSO SAY YOUR NAME, I DON'T THINK I HAD YOU.
CAROLYN PRESTWOOD. YES, MA'AM. BUT PEOPLE KNOW ME AS KATIE, OKAY? I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAY THAT OR NOT, BUT, BUT BUT AT ANY RATE, I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT AN ENTRANCE TO ABILENE THAT REALLY IS HISTORIC.
THE BUTTERFIELD TRAIL GOES ACROSS THAT IT WAS THE IT WAS THE THE HIGHWAY TO NUGENT, TO ANSON, YOU KNOW, IN 1890 AND AND AND SOME PRIVATE OWNERS OF THE OLD FORT PHANTOM, YOU KNOW, SITE.
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THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT THING UP TO PAR.WHEN I WAS A KID, IT WAS JUST FALLING DOWN. I PLAYED UNDER THOSE OLD CHIMNEYS.
I THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THIS COULD BE AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.
VERY GOOD. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? CLINT ROSENBAUM, ROSENBAUM ENGINEERING, 2326 WINDHAM COURT.
THIS WAS TABLED IN SEPTEMBER. SHOULD WE HAVE PULLED IT OFF THE TABLE OR IS IT A NEW CASE? OH, WE'VE PULLED IT OFF THE TABLE. YES, SIR. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING, ADDRESSING FM 600 IS MADE FOR TRAFFIC.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S AT THE NODE OF TWO COUNTY ROAD AND F AND AN FM ROAD.
AND THE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED LAST TIME IS, HOW'S FM 600 GOING TO DEVELOP? IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DEVELOP ITS GENERAL COMMERCIAL DOWN FACING IN SOME SOME FORM OR MANNER, DOWN, UP AND DOWN. FM 600. SO IT'S A STATE ROAD.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER.
WELL I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN LAST TIME AND THIS TIME.
SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL OF THIS BEFORE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WENT FROM DENIAL TO APPROVAL WITHOUT A MEETING IN BETWEEN. WE WE DID NOT DENY IT. IT WAS TABLED, AND THEY CAME.
THEY BROUGHT IT BACK. WELL, THE PAPERWORK THAT I HAD FROM THAT MEETING SAYS DENIED.
THERE MIGHT BE A TECHNICALITY RELATED TO THAT, BUT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY BEING CONSIDERED UNDER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND NOW IT'S COMING BACK UNDER GENERAL COMMERCIAL. COMMERCIAL. WELL, I GUESS OUR QUESTION IS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS THAT Y'ALL NEED TO GET THE NAMES OF, BECAUSE WE WILL BE BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
ALSO, BECAUSE LIVING ON THAT ROAD, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND I KNOW A LOT OF Y'ALL SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ABILENE, THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY ON THAT ROAD TO WHERE IT'S DANGEROUS FOR US TO EVEN PULL OUT ONTO THE HIGHWAY SOMETIMES. AND WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NEW FAMILY HERE, THE BAKERS THAT BOUGHT A HOUSE TWO, TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM ME THAT THEY HAD TO PUT UP AN ELECTRIC FENCE JUST TO KEEP ANYONE FROM PULLING DOWN THERE JUST RANDOMLY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THREE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN THAT WANTED TO PLAY IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
HOW MANY BIG TRUCKS, HOW MANY, HOW MANY CARS? AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S JUST. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT REALLY HASN'T EVER BEEN IMPROVED.
YOU KNOW, HE MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S THIS GRAND ROAD, AND IT'S REALLY NOT.
IT'S TWO LANE TRAFFIC. AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NUGENT ROAD AND MY PEOPLE HERE FROM NUGENT, NOT MY PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE HERE FROM NUGENT ROAD, IT'S NOT EVEN TWO LANES.
AND JUST TO SPEAK TO THE ACCIDENTS. SEVEN MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A YOUNG MAN KILLED AT THAT CORNER THERE, RIGHT DOWN FM 600 FROM MY HOUSE. WE HAD A DEAR FAMILY MEMBER MR. RASENBERGER, THAT WAS KILLED. HIS MUSTANG JUST WAS AT THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME WITH WITH A VEHICLE.
AND YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE THE FAMILIES.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE I'M SORRY. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.SEVEN ACRES OF HOME SITES, TWO ACRE HOME SITES LIKE WE HAVE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNER UP THERE 62 956, THAT'S A LEVERETT'S.
THEY BUILT THAT HOUSE ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO, AND IT'S FOR SALE NOW, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET, WHICH IS 600,000 BECAUSE OF THIS COMING IN IN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA WHERE THEY BUILT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER FRIEND THAT'S BUILDING ON UP FURTHER NORTH THAN THAT, THAT HAS INVESTED A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY WHEN HE STARTED. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE WATERCRESS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU APPROVED.
THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE 200 HOMES.
THAT'S ADDED TO THIS. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS IF THEY THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO COMMERCIAL. BUT MY MY QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, BUT IS IT GOING TO BE A BAIT HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE A MASSAGE PARLOR? YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHAT.
NO, NO, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T HEAR. OH I'M SORRY I ASKED THEM WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
IS IT GOING TO BE A BAIT HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE A MASSAGE PARLOR? IS IT GOING TO BE A GAS STATION? YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE ALL OF OUR INVESTMENTS.
AND IF YOU COME AND SEE OUR HOUSES, WE HAVE NICE HOUSES.
BUT ANYWAY, I WANT YOU TO THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY PAID A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND NOW JUST WILLY NILLY. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD CHANGE IT, BECAUSE IT WAS DONE FOR A REASON.
AND THAT LAND WAS DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR? EDWARD. DUSTY RHODES I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
MISS KATIE AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME.
I SHOVELED WHEAT FOR HER FATHER IN LAW. I HELPED SHEAR SHEEP FOR HER FATHER IN LAW ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND AT THIS TIME. CITY OF ABILENE IS GROWING, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE UTILIZED FOR THINGS THE CITY NEEDS NOW.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THEM NECESSARILY.
BUT IF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT PROVIDES ACCESS.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THE CITY WOULD BE GREATLY BENEFICIAL, ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL, IN PARTICULAR, THE AI FACILITIES THAT ARE GROWING NORTH AND EAST AND A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH OF ABILENE.
SO THERE'S MANY REASONS WHY THIS SHOULD FIT WITHIN THE CITY PLAN.
BUT LIFE GOES ON, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OUTLIVE THE GROWTH.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS FITS EVERYTHING THE CITY HAS REQUESTED AND HAVE PLANNED TO DO, AND HOPE TO TAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION. YOU'D CONSIDER IT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HELLO, MY NAME IS BILL O'NEILL. I LIVE ON NUGENT ROAD.
NUGENT ROAD PARALLELS THIS PROPERTY AS IT WAS MENTIONED.
IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE LANE.
IT GOES ACROSS A BRIDGE THAT NO CAR SHOULD GO OVER WITH ANOTHER CAR COMING THAT WAY.
THE OTHER WAY. AND WHEN WE MOVED OUT THERE YEARS AGO, BY THE WAY, WE LIVE OUT DOWN TO THE END OF NUGENT ROAD AND OUT THERE WE'VE GOT HORSES AND WE'VE GOT DUCKS THAT WALK ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ACROSS NUGENT ROAD.
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AND YOU OUGHT TO SEE OUR GUINEA FOWL. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AN AGRICULTURE OPEN SPACE AREA HAS BEEN SHOULD REMAIN. HOW MANY OPEN SPACES? NICE OPEN SPACES DO YOU HAVE THIS CLOSE TO ABILENE, WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY DRIVE AS THEY TAKE THE SHORTCUT TO THE DUMP. AND AS THEY DO THAT, OF COURSE, THEY DROP EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD DOWN THAT LITTLE ROAD.BUT WE ALSO HAVE EVERY DAY A SCHOOL BUS, ABILENE SCHOOL BUS GOES DOWN THE ROAD THAT I WISH THEY'D GO BACK DOWN TO 600 AND COME ON BACK DOWN ON A BIGGER ROAD, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO.
THERE'S NOT MUCH TO IT. IT'S JUST A LITTLE COUNTRY ROAD.
BUT WE CANNOT. NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE, THE THE DEAL HERE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND ENTRYWAY DOWN 600. MANY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD THING.
BUT NOTHING. THERE SHOULD BE NO EXITS OR ENTRIES INTO THIS PROPERTY OFF OF NUGENT ROAD.
THAT'S ONLY ONE LANE. AND SO IF WE DO ANYTHING, I'M AGAINST THE PROJECT.
I THINK THAT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING PRETTY LEFT OVER AROUND THE COUNTRY, AS OPPOSED TO STRIPPING IT ALL OUT, PUTTING HOUSES HERE AND ALL KIND OF GARBAGE OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WE NEED PRETTY AREAS.
AND THIS IS A NICE, QUAINT LITTLE AGRICULTURAL AREA CLOSE TO TOWN.
AND SO I GUESS WHAT I NEED TO TELL YOU IS, AND MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU, I'M AGAINST THIS PROJECT. DID SOMEBODY CUT ME OFF? NO. YOU CAN FINISH IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. NO, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
MY NAME IS SUE ELMORE AND I ALSO LIVE ON NUGENT ROAD, JUST RIGHT BY THE CREEK.
I HAVE A LITTLE SISTER DOWN BY THE CREEK THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN WE MOVED OUT THERE 25 YEARS AGO, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT CISTERN HAD SETTLERS FROM THE 1850S AND 1960S WHO CAMPED OUT IN THAT AREA ALONG THE BUFFALO, THE BUTTERFIELD TRAIL.
SO IT'S A HISTORIC AREA? I OWN 910 ACRES ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN THERE.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE BUILT WE WE MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE AS A SINGLE FAMILY.
I KNOW THAT IT'S ZONED OPEN AGRICULTURE, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OPEN AGRICULTURE MEANS THAT IT'S A ZONED THAT WAY, BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO ZONE IT PROPERLY YET.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEVELOPED. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY PLAN, BUT IT'S MY I'M AGAINST IT.
I'M AGAINST IT. BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND DRIVE MOST OF THESE HOMES, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THERE ARE HOMES EVERYWHERE WITH TWO, THREE, FIVE, TEN, 50, EVEN 100 ACRES WITH THEM.
WE HAVE HORSES. WE HAVE CHILDREN. THE SCHOOL BUS.
AS AS I AGREE WITH KATIE 100%, I AGREE WITH O'NEIL'S.
THE AI CENTER IS JUST TO THE WEST OF US, AND NUGENT ROAD WOULD BE THE CUT THROUGH TO GET THERE, AND IT CAN UPHOLD THE TRAFFIC IT THE ASPHALT.
IT'S A GRAVEL SHOULDER. WHAT LITTLE SHOULDER THERE IS.
WE DO HAVE THE BRIDGE AND THE TRAFFIC IS INCREASING ON FM 600.
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I HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS AT LEAST TWO FATALITIES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS ON THAT CURVE, NOT COUNTING THE OTHER PARTS OF FM 600, AND IT IS HARD TO SEE WHEN YOU COME OUT THROUGH BELTWAY NORTH WHEN YOU GO TO TURN ONTO FM 600.YOU CAN'T SEE THE CARS THAT ARE COMING REAL FAST.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT IF YOU'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL SIZE TRUCKS COMING IN THERE TO BRING SUPPLIES FOR THE AI CENTER, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF A CONDUIT IS IN OUR HOME.
1.25IN. THAT'S WHAT BRINGS THE ELECTRICITY TO OUR HOME.
THE AI CENTER IS THREE FEET AT LEAST. THEIR CONDUITS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO AIR CONDITIONING? HEAT, PLUMB. PLUM. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMAZON BRINGING BOXES OF PLUMBING SUPPLIES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUGE TRUCKS COMING IN ON OUR FM 600 AND BRINGING INDUSTRIAL SIZE STUFF TO GO INTO THIS WAREHOUSE, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT I'M AGAINST IT.
AND I AGREE WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST IT.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LETTING US TALK. OH, BY THE WAY, THE HOMES, I DID SOME RESEARCH.
THERE ARE SIX HOMES DOWN NUGENT ROAD. THEY'RE APPRAISED FROM 260 TO $735,000.
THE HOMES ON FM 600 ARE FROM 230 TO $630,000, $630,000. THOSE ARE NOT LITTLE DINKY FARMS. THERE ARE HOMES.
AND ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE ROOM FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OUT THERE LIKE THAT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO REZONE IT, REZONE IT AS RESIDENTIAL OR MAKE THEM DO A PD AND HAVE A PLAN FOR WHERE THEY CAN'T BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.
Y'ALL KNOW THE ICE CENTER RUNS 24 OVER SEVEN.
WHO'S TO SAY THEY CAN'T BE RUNNING PARTS 24 OVER SEVEN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HELLO, MY NAME IS COREY SMITH. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OWNER ON NUGENT ROAD.
I HAVE SPENT 20 PLUS YEARS DEALING WITH HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS.
I UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS A WAREHOUSE TYPE SETUP WHAT IT TAKES TO PULL HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF A PARKING AREA. THEY'RE NOT. THEY CAN'T JUST TURN ON A DIME.
NUGENT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, IS NOT A WIDE ROAD.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED DEVELOPMENT THERE.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE NEED TO PLAN BETTER, AND RESIDENTIAL WORKS.
AGRICULTURE WORKS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS A APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS OF BEING ABLE TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HI THERE. MY NAME IS LARISSA BAKER. I AM PROBABLY THE NEWEST OWNER OF A HOUSE IN THIS AREA.
MY FAMILY AND I BOUGHT 5276 WEST LAKE ROAD. AT THE 1ST OF DECEMBER.
TOOK ABOUT A MONTH TO DO SOME CHANGES AND THINGS.
AND MY KIDS AND I MOVED IN IN JANUARY. AND THEN MY HUSBAND WAS ABLE TO JOIN US IN FEBRUARY.
AND MOVING HERE AND FINDING THIS PROPERTY WAS A GOD THING.
WE WERE LOOKING SOUTH OF TOWN. EVERYONE SAYS WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME TO MOVE TO A NEW SPOT, YOU LOOK UP WHERE THE GOOD SCHOOLS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND EVERYONE HERE SAYS TO LIVE OUT IN TUSCOLA, LIVE IN BUFFALO GAP, LIVE ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.
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WE HOMESCHOOL, AND SO LOCATION WASN'T NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO LOOK INTO AS FAR AS GOOD SCHOOLS.AND SO WE WERE OPEN TO WHEREVER THE LORD LED US.
AND HE LED US TO 5276 WESTLAKE ROAD. IT'S ABOUT 2.9 ACRES.
IT IS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR MARRIAGE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO OWN ACREAGE.
WE PLAN TO HAVE CHICKENS. WE PLAN TO DO THOSE THINGS.
WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO RUN AROUND OUTSIDE AND TO HAVE A CAREFREE CHILDHOOD.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AND SO I JUST COME AND APPEAL TO YOU FROM THE YOUNGER GENERATION.
I KNOW MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS. I'M MEETING SOME FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY.
THEY'RE IN AN OLDER GENERATION, AND THEY HAVE BEEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THOSE HOMES ALL OF THIS TIME. BUT I'M COMING TO YOU AS A NEW RESIDENT, RAISING MY FAMILY AND JUST WANTING YOU TO CONSIDER IT FROM OUR VIEWPOINT.
MY HUSBAND IS PLANNING TO RETIRE OUT OF DYESS AND WE ARE PLANNING TO MAKE ABILENE HOME.
WE NEVER THOUGHT WE'D FIND OURSELVES IN ABILENE, BUT HERE WE ARE. AND WE ARE LOVING IT.
WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY HERE, AND PART OF THAT COMMUNITY IS OUT ON WEST LAKE ROAD AND NUGENT ROAD.
AND IT HAS BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND WE LOVE THE RURALNESS OF IT.
WE LOVE THAT THERE'S ACREAGE AROUND US. WE LOVE THAT WE DON'T SEE BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE.
WE LOVE THE LOCATION TO TOWN. WE STILL, YOU KNOW, AND WE STILL ENJOY THOSE BENEFITS BY FAR.
SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE ELSE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS. ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE DISCUSS, I WILL SAY TO EVERYBODY HERE TODAY WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOARD ON ALL ZONING CASES. IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS AND MOVE IT FORWARD, IF WE WERE TO DENY IT AND AND IT WOULD, YOU WOULD FEEL LIKE IT DIED HERE. IT DOESN'T.
AND SO WE ARE JUST SEVEN VOLUNTEER CITIZENS HERE TO HEAR CASES TO AND RECOMMEND ON BEHALF OF OUR BEST JUDGMENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO TAKE. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU CAME HERE TODAY ON EITHER SIDE, TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT'S BEING HEARD AT THE ON THOSE TWO OCCASIONS.
SO I THINK THAT'S YES. I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COME FORWARD, MISS BUCKLEY. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL OF THESE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE DID NOT GET A LETTER ABOUT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU HAD. I CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE ZONING REQUEST SIGN FROM MY DRIVEWAY, BUT BECAUSE I'M MORE THAN 200FT FROM THAT BORDER, WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS GOING ON.
SO WE ARE HERE TODAY, AND WE WILL HAVE MORE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I PROMISE YOU.
AND I'LL SAY THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY AN EXAMPLE OF OUR CITY STAFF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND. THERE'S A 200 FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR NOTIFICATION, BUT THEN THE SIGNS THAT GO ON EACH PROPERTY, WHENEVER THERE'S A PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE STATUTE. THAT IS THE CITY KNOWING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF 200FT THAT PASS A PROPERTY EVERY DAY THAT MAY HAVE CONCERNS.
AND SO WE JUST WISH THAT WE HAD HAD A TIMELINE.
IF WE HAD KNOWN, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE ALL BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU LAST TIME.
UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WERE I LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I LIKELY WOULD BE HERE SPEAKING AS WELL.
SO IT WAS IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT MAP AND AND PERHAPS TIM CAN VERIFY THIS, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE FUTURE LAND USE DID INTEND FOR SOME NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. MY QUESTION IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ANTICIPATED FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE.
SO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE ZONE FOR THIS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT TEXDOT WOULD ADDRESS THE ROAD ISSUES.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S ANOTHER HARD THING FROM BEING ON THIS COMMISSION FOR A WHILE.
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WE WERE MEANT TO LOOK AT LAND USE AND LAND PURPOSE, NOT NECESSARILY TRAFFIC OR ROAD CAPABILITIES.BECAUSE THAT TENDS TO BE A CITY OF ABILENE OR TEX DOT ISSUE.
AND SO IF LAND CHANGES AND CREATES DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WILL BE CHANGES BY TXDOT OR THE CITY OF ABILENE ON ON THOSE APPROPRIATE ROADS WHEN APPROPRIATE AND WHEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE. AND SO WE ARE TRULY, TO KEVIN'S POINT, LOOKING IN REGARDS TO IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE THIS LANDOWNER HAS A RIGHT FOR THIS STRIP OF LAND TO BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL? AND I'D ALSO SAY THAT I'VE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THE ENGINEER INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, AND I KNOW HIM TO BE VERY COMPETENT ENGINEER AND THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS WILL CERTAINLY BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION CONCERNING TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
BUT I, I UNLESS WE DECIDE TO GO AGAINST THE RECOMMENDED USE THAT WAS APPROVED IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'D HAVE TO APPROVE THIS AS PROPOSED.
ANY OTHER. THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. VERY DISAPPOINTING.
VERY DISAPPOINTING. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE STILL UNDER DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOARD TO WHERE CITY COUNCIL WILL ACTUALLY BE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND USAGE. AND LIKE YOU SAID, WITHOUT THE ROADS AND THE TRAFFIC.
YEAH. I'M GOOD. I'M WITH YOU. I'M JUST STRUGGLING A LOT WITH IT.
WELL. BUT THEN I THINK IT GOES IN LINE, THOUGH, WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT USE.
I THINK IT'S HARD BECAUSE AGRICULTURE OPEN IS A HOLDING.
WHILE THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT IS A HOLDING ZONING.
AND THE CLINT'S POINT, THIS IS THIS IS A STATE HIGHWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE ENTRY POINT POINT OF DO WE WANT IN ABILENE OUR ENTRY POINTS TO HAVE LOTS OF COMMERCIAL, OR DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE A GREEN SPACE? I UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE, BUT BUT THIS WAS A ROAD THAT WAS MADE TO HANDLE TRAFFIC.
IS IT BEING USED IN THE FULL CAPACITY THAT IT COULD BE RIGHT NOW? IS THERE A NEED IN THE FUTURE FOR A BLINKING LIGHT OR A STOP STOPLIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE.
AS SOMEBODY THAT'S DRIVEN THIS OR NOT DRIVEN BUT RIDDEN OR DRIVEN THIS ROAD MY ENTIRE LIFE, MY MY GRANDPARENTS USED TO OWN THE BAIT SHOP AT FORT PHANTOM.
AND SO I WILL TELL YOU PERSONALLY, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINTS AND THE OBJECTIONS, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME. SAYING THAT THIS HIGHWAY DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HANDLE A RELATIVELY SMALL ACREAGE OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL THAT THAT IS THAT IS WHAT I WROTE ON THE BACKSIDE.
IT CAN'T HANDLE ANY OF IT REALISTICALLY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MY MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE FOLLOW THE FUTURE LAND MAP.
IT'S GOING TO BE PUT THERE. WHAT COMMERCIAL IS GOING IN THERE? THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AT THIS MEETING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO ENGAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION LIKE THIS.
WE CAN OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN TALK.
I MEAN, THEY WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS, IS THIS PLOT OF LAND POTENTIALLY OKAY TO BE CONSIDERED GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THAT THAT IS THE DECISION FOR THIS COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL TODAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO SAY, AS WE'VE SAID MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THAT IS NOT FOR OUR CONSIDERATION.
RIGHT. SO FOR ME, THE USE FITS AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE.
I SECOND THAT. WOULD ANYBODY MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND MR. HOUSE WITH A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. HALLIBURTON WITH A SECOND. MR. BARNETT? YES. MR.
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HOUSE? YES. MISS KIKER REALLY HARD. WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING.JUST VOTE. I KNOW NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO WITH IT THIS TIME.
I'M GOING TO NOT APPROVE. NO. MR. HALLIBURTON.
YES. MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. AGAIN, WE'LL SAY TO EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TWO READINGS OF THIS.
THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. THEY TEND TO DISAGREE WITH US QUITE OFTEN, SO FEEL FREE TO TAKE YOUR OBJECTIONS THERE. MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.
ZONING CASE 20 2539. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 9.44 ACRES FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 1204 GRAPE STREET.
SORRY, CLARISSA. I'M SCARED TO TALK. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS CLARISSA IVEY. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE KC 20, 2539.
THE OWNER IS JM K FIVE ABILENE LLC GROUP. THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AGENT IS EVERETT DESIGN GROUP.
SO IT'S TWO BUILDINGS ACTUALLY ON THAT PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS, GENERAL RETAIL.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING GENERAL COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OF MOSTLY ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY WITH SOME GENERAL RETAIL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL NEARBY. THESE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS AS WELL AS SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTY VIEWS.
WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVE ONE IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSITION.
HERE ARE THE LIST OF THE USES PERMITTED IN GENERAL RETAIL.
THIS WOULD BE THE USES PERMITTED IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE? YES. SO THEY'RE WANTING TO KEEP ALL THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING, AS WELL AS DOING A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. OKAY.
YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S A FEW USES. YEAH. ONE OF THEM BEING THE SELF STORAGE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTIONS? NO. I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I SECOND KRISTEN AND SHANTI. MR.. BARNETT. YES.
MR. HOUSE? YES. MISS PIPER. YES, MR.. HALLIBURTON.
YES, MISS LEWIS? YES. AND MR. SEITZ. YES. MR. BYNUM? YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING THE ZONING CASE 2025 DASH 40.
AND TAKE ACTION ON REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.59 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL, OPEN AND RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY OR S 12 TO MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING.
LOCATED AT 5400 RIDGELINE DRIVE. CLARISSA. HELLO CLARISSA IV, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT KC 20 2540. THE OWNER IS BRADLEY SOCCER, REPRESENTED BY MR..
BY JACOB MARTIN. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.59 ACRES FROM A0 AND RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO MEDIUM DENSITY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5400 RIDGELINE DRIVE.
IT'S ON THE CORNER. AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS PARTIALLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL OPEN, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE TO THE MEDIUM DENSITY.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROPERTY VIEWS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WE SEND OUT.
NOTIFICATION RECEIVED RECEIVE ZERO IN IN FAVOR IN FOREIGN OPPOSITION, BRINGING THAT TO IT, 4.79% OPPOSITION. THESE ARE THE CURRENT PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN AND IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO MEDIUM DENSITY.
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AND THESE WOULD BE THE ALLOWED USES. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.SACHSE RECOMMENDATION TODAY WOULD BE APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, MA'AM.
QUESTIONS FROM YOU? YES. NO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, CLARISSA. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SCOTT LINDSEY. I'M BEEN HERE ABOUT A YEAR.
MY FAMILY LIVES HERE. AFTER MY WIFE PASSED. I WANTED TO BE CLOSER TO MY KIDS.
ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS IS A NURSING INSTRUCTOR AT MCMURRAY.
AND I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN, SO I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO RETURN.
THE VOTE SHEET THEY SENT ME AND I WOULD ALSO BE IN OPPOSITION.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT NOW.
AND MY QUESTION FIRST IS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MEDIUM DENSITY? I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO STOREY APARTMENTS? AND WE'RE PUTTING 15 IN HERE WITH ANOTHER 60 PEOPLE AND MORE TRAFFIC ON VENICE THAT'S TRYING TO FEED INTO BUFFALO GAP ROAD.
YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE. YOU DON'T WANT TO COME UP BETTIS BY THE CHURCH, HOLY FAMILY, AND MAKE A LEFT TURN. IT'S DIFFICULT ANYTIME YOU PUT ANOTHER 25, 30 PEOPLE WITH CARS YOU'RE GOING TO GET A STOPLIGHT.
I'M A RETIRED ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN CIVIL ENGINEERING, BUT I UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT THIS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW, SHE WENT THROUGH THIS PRETTY FAST, AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY A BETTER DESCRIPTION UP THERE OF WHAT THAT IS.
BUT I'M IN OPPOSITION. BUT IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. AGAIN, FROM THE ZONING USE THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY PLANNING. IT IS JUST A HIGHER LEVEL OF DENSITY.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE MEDIUM DENSITY JUST BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE THE HOUSES CLOSER TOGETHER. THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE GONE FOR PATIO HOMES, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THEY WANT THEM TO HAVE SMALLER SETBACKS.
I DO I DO NOT KNOW SPECIFICALLY ON THIS SITUATION WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR MEDIUM DENSITY.
DO Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THE MAX AMOUNT PER ACREAGE FOR MEDIUM DENSITY IS, TIM.
THIS IS RS 12. AT THE MOMENT THIS IS RS 12. SO WHAT'S THAT? ROUGHLY ABOUT 30 MORE PEOPLE, 30 MORE UNITS. IF THEY LEAVE THE RESIDENCE IN PLACE, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT.
WELL, THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU FROM THE APPLICANT. OKAY, SO THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON. YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT WAS KIND OF A DERELICT. THAT ONE HOUSE THAT'S ON THERE, THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO GET THAT UP TO SPEED.
IT'S A NICE LOOKING HOUSE NOW. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT MORE UNITS IN THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 30, 30 UNITS AND AT LEAST, WHAT, MAYBE ONE AND A HALF CARS PER UNIT.
SO YOU GET ANOTHER 45 CARS COMING IN AND OUT THERE AND ALL THE SCHOOL BUSSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE UP AND DOWN, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. SO ANYWAY, I'M IN OPPOSITION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WELL, YOU'RE LUCKY YOU MOVED HERE AFTER BUFFALO GAP GOT FINISHED. UP TO THERE. IT WAS A IT WAS EVEN MORE OF A MESS MORE THAN A YEAR AGO IN PROGRESS.
OKAY. FINALLY FINISHED REBECCA AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB I APPRECIATE THAT.
WELL THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? YES, SIR. HELLO. MY NAME IS CRAIG CARROLL AND I LIVE ON 3702 BETTY'S, WHICH IS ADJACENT OR BUTTS UP TO THIS PROPERTY AND.
YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT UP THERE IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR.
I'M HERE TO SEE WHAT MEDIUM DID MEDIUM DENSITY IS.
SO I CALLED DOWN. YES, SIR. EXCUSE ME. I CALLED DOWN AND THEY SAID IT COULD BE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, OR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WE LIVE IN THAT FIRST HOUSE WHERE IT SAYS 107 21.
AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN QUESTION THERE HAS ONE HOUSE ON IT THAT THE OWNER RESTORED.
AND AND IT'S A LOT BETTER NOW. BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO US IS A RENT HOUSE, SO THEY DON'T CARE. AND THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM IT HENDRICK HOSPITAL HAS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY.
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SEVERAL HOUSES, AND THAT WOULD LOWER THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY.I'M NOT EVEN HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON IT, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S BEEN HORRIBLE.
BUT I'M NOT EVEN HERE FOR THAT. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY HERE FOR OPPOSITION BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE OWNER RESTORED THAT ONE HOUSE AND IT'S REALLY NICE.
SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO IT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE THEIR RENT HOUSE AND, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE GUY EVEN LIVES AROUND HERE ANYMORE AND PROBABLY NOT EVEN AWARE OF THAT.
AND THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT IS COMMERCIAL, I GUESS ZONED COMMERCIAL NOW.
SO HEARING WHAT WHAT YOU WHAT DID Y'ALL SAY? WHAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT CAN BE PER ACRE ON THAT OR 12 UP TO 30 OR. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT LIKE DUPLEXES OR, OR TRIPLEXES OR WHATEVER.
SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A IF I CAN AT THIS MEETING, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A, A RED DOT ON MY PROPERTY AS WELL, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF ANYBODY THAT'S TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TO SAY THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO BE OPPOSED AS WELL.
OKAY. AND AGAIN, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE PREVIOUS GROUP.
NO MATTER WHAT IS DECIDED TODAY, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD MOST LIKELY TO COUNCIL.
AND SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE YOUR OPPOSITIONS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS. OKAY.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SIR? SIR, SIR IF IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING.
SO IF YOU COULD GIVE US OUR STAFF DO THAT? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU. TIM. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OR.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE. OH, YOU WERE LETTING HER LEAVE.
I'M SORRY. PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. GO AHEAD.
YEAH. THANK YOU. BRO. I'M AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
TWO, 2.6 ACRES, SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT. THE MAJORITY OF IT'S ZONED OUT.
AND, OF COURSE, I KNOW YOU GUYS TOUCHED ON BRAD, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT IS IS IS A HOLDING ZONING.
AND AND AGAIN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. FOR ATTRACT, IT'S ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT.
THE INTENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAVE REMODELED SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND MONEY REMODELING THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A TRACK TWO AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE. THEIR HOPE IS TO DEVELOP A PORTION OF THAT TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
THEY WILL ISOLATE THAT SINGLE FAMILY FROM FROM THE REST OF OF THAT ACREAGE.
MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING. BRAD, AS YOU OUTLINED, IT INCLUDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THEIR INTENT IS TO SOMETIMES WE USE THE TERM DUPLEX.
SOMETIMES WE SAY TOWNHOME. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A WIDE VARIETY OF TERMINOLOGY, REALLY.
WHAT IT IS, IS CONNECTED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
BECAUSE WE'LL BE SEPARATING THE HOUSE OUT AND SOME ACREAGE WITH IT.
IT'S NOT 30 UNITS, IT'S IT'S FAR LESS THAN THAT.
I WOULD GUESS IT WOULD BE 24 OR LESS. AND I SUSPECT JUST FROM THE GEOMETRY, THE PROPERTY, IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT LESS. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH ON RIDGELINE, EVERY OTHER PROPERTY, IF THEY'RE THEIR BACKYARD, FACES THIS TRACK.
THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST I WAS I WAS THE ENGINEER ON THAT PROJECT.
THOSE UNITS ARE JUST ALMOST CONNECTED. RIGHT.
AND SO IT'S A SIMILAR CONCEPT. WE'RE GOING WITH MD.
HONESTLY, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER LISTENING TO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.
I SUSPECT THEY HAVE PLANS FOR IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
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BUFFALO GAP ROAD IS IT IS THE ARTERIAL IN ABILENE, RIGHT? I MEAN, TXDOT JUST SPENT WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH MONEY IMPROVING THAT ROAD TO FURTHER MAKE IT AN ARTERIAL.IT IS WHERE TRAFFIC'S SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO.
THAT'S WHERE IT IS. AS YOU AS BUFFALO GAP DEVELOPS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEVELOPING. THERE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THERE. AND THEN AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY OUT OF THAT WE HAVE SPOTS THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY ALL THE WAY UP TO IT.
BUT IDEALLY YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A TRANSITIONAL ZONING.
MD IS THE REASON I SUGGESTED THAT TO MY CLIENT, IT IS A TRANSITIONAL ZONING.
GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, ITS SIZE, ITS LOCATION TO BUFFALO GAP ROAD, ITS LOCATION TO HENDRICK MEDICAL CENTER MD FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IS, IS, IS THE TRANSITIONAL ZONING THAT I BELIEVE SHOULD GO THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES SOME CLARITY FOR YOU GUYS ON WHAT THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS INTENDING.
AGAIN, WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THERE.
THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY INTENDS TO LIVE IN THAT RESIDENCE.
THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I THEY JUST REDID IT. THEY JUST REDID IT.
IT'S NOT ENTIRELY RELEVANT, BUT IT IT'S UP FOR RENT RIGHT NOW.
IT WILL REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. GOT IT. OH, SO THAT'LL STAY IN PLACE.
BUT THEY JUST WON'T. YEAH, THEY ARE NOT THEY'RE REMODELING THAT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UNWIND ANY OF THAT. THAT TIME AND MONEY THEY SPENT ON THAT HOUSE. YEAH. OKAY.
THAT WILL BE A WEIRD LITTLE KIND OF ZONED THERE AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND REZONE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE FAMILY IN BETWEEN PATIO HOME AND MEDIUM DENSITY POTENTIALLY.
YEAH. FOR THAT WHOLE TRACK TO BE MEDIUM DENSITY.
YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.
I'M SURPRISED, ACTUALLY, THAT IT'S CURRENTLY RS 12.
IT'S SEEMS LIKE A VERY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO HOLD IN THAT ZONING.
THEY ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN, PARTICULARLY ADJACENT TO.
YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY BIG PIECES. PATIO HOME USAGE.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TO GO MEDIUM DENSITY HERE IS KIND OF A BUFFER.
I DO THINK IT HELPS A LOT HAVING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON SITE.
IS KIND OF GOING TO END UP BEING A MIXED USE TYPE.
DEVELOPMENT IS KIND OF HOW I SEE IT. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN IT, IT DOESN'T.
IT WON'T FIT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY. YEAH, SO SO I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM IF THERE WAS TO BE WITHOUT DEMOLISHING THAT HOME, NOT WITHOUT DEMOLISHING IT.
AND THEY HAVE LIKE PUT BRAND NEW WINDOWS AND BRAND NEW EVERYTHING.
SO I'D BE REALLY SHOCKED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY MOTIONS? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. KIND OF WITH A MOTION.
I SECOND SHANTI WITH A SECOND. MR. BARNETT? YES, MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS COCKER? YES, MR. HALLIBURTON? YES, MISS LEWIS. YES, MR. SIKES? YES. AND MR. BENHAM, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN. SIX ZERO AND MOTION CARRIES.
I'VE NOT BEEN INSTRUCTED. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANYTHING FOR THAT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ABSTAIN, NOT KNOWING IF THEY HAVE AN OPINION ON THE MATTER.
BUT IT'S WITHIN THE ZONE. SO NOT PART OF WHAT I DO.
BUT JUST TO EXPLAIN MY POSITION. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
ZONING CASE 20 2541. RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ON REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO AMEND THE TERMS OF PD 177 SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW ALTERNATIVE SIDE SETBACKS ADJACENT TO STREETS.
ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES WITHIN TRACKS A AND B, AND TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN TRACK D, LOCATED AT THE 37 TO 44,000 BLOCKS OF CALDWELL ROAD AND THE 4200 BLOCK OF WEST LAKE ROAD.
ADAM, GOOD AFTERNOON ONCE AGAIN. I'M ADAM HOLLAND, CITY PLANNER, CITY OF ABILENE.
THIS IS 20, 2541. THIS IS OWNED BY WEST TEXAS LAND LLC.
REPRESENTED BY AMD ENGINEERING. THIS IS TO AMEND THE TERMS OF PD 177, IN VARIOUS WAYS.
SO HERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP OF THE PROPOSED OF THE EXISTING PD.
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YOU CAN SEE THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF WEST LAKE ROAD AND EAST ROAD.HERE IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING PROPERTY CURRENTLY ZONED UNDER THAT PD, AS WELL AS AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES WITH MOBILE HOME, MOBILE MANUFACTURED HOMES, ZONING ON THE NORTHEAST AND THE SOUTHWEST SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
HERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
YOU CAN SEE TRACT A AND B IS PROPOSED TO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL USE OF DUPLEXES SOLD ON ON THIS PROPERTY WITHIN TRACT ATTRACT D THAT USES PROPOSED TO CHANGE TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT OF 4500FT², WITH LOT WIDTH MINIMUMS OF 50FT AND MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACKS UP TO FIVE FEET WITHIN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PD. THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED TO LOWER THE STREET CORNER SIDE SETBACKS TO FIVE FEET ON LOCAL ROADS AND TEN FEET ON COLLECTOR ROADS. HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY SOME SOME HOUSES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ON THIS ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE ARE SOME EXISTING MOBILE AND MANUFACTURED HOMES ON THE NORTHEAST AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF THIS PROPERTY WITH SOME AGRICULTURAL TYPE USES AS WELL, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST.
WITHIN THE TIME ALLOTTED CITY STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
FOR A TRACKS A, B, C, D, AND F THE LOCAL STREET SIDE SETBACK SHOULD BE TEN FEET, AND THE COLLECTOR STREET SIDE SETBACK SHOULD BE 15FT, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE INITIAL REQUEST WAS FOR.
OKAY. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME.
HAVE YOU EXPRESSED TO THE DEVELOPER THAT Y'ALL DISAGREE WITH THE SETBACKS? YES WE HAVE. HOW DID THEY DID THEY AGREE OR DO THEY STILL WANT TO MOVE? THEY WOULD LIKE THE REQUESTED SETBACKS. AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE HERE AS WELL.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU SIR.
WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? HI, MY NAME IS STACY HUBBLE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OF THE DEVELOPER ADAMS WRIGHT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THE SETBACK.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE SIDES, THESE STREET SIDE SETBACKS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
WE HAVE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OF WHICH WE ARE PAVING 36FT.
SO THAT LEAVES US ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD, 11.5FT.
SO FROM THE CURB TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS ALREADY AN 11.5FT SETBACK, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE OWNER'S PROPERTY. SO 11.5FT. HERE'S MY CURB. I'VE GOT 30.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR SIDEWALKS ARE. THAT'S WHERE THERE'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF GRASS.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. AND SO WHAT THIS SIDE SETBACK IS, IS IT SAYS OKAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU THEN NEED TO SETBACK ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, FOOTAGE.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, WATERCRESS RANCH, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS OFFER ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
SO OUR LOT SIZES ARE SMALLER AND OUR HOMES ARE SMALLER.
AND SO A LARGER SETBACK FOR A HOME THAT IS A SMALLER HOME REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I MEAN, NOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE SIDE STREET, LOCAL ROADS IS THEN YOU HAVE A 16.5FT.
BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
SO WE ARE 16.5FT FROM THE CURB ALREADY. SETBACK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. IF WE GO WITH WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
WE'RE GOING TO BE AT WHAT, 21FT? 21.5FT WHICH REALLY SEEMS UNNECESSARY.
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FOR HOMES THIS SIZE PLUS UNDER CITY CODE. AND CORRECT ME, MR. LITTLEJOHN, IF I HAVE THIS INCORRECT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS BASED ON CITY CODE.THEY CAN BUILD THEIR FENCE TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
IF THAT'S I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. THAT SIDE SETBACK IS FOR THE HOUSE, BUT NOT THE FENCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING THE HOUSE TEN FEET FROM THE SIDE OF THAT FENCE, AN ADDITIONAL TEN FEET IS GOING TO MAKE ANY, ANY DIFFERENCE IN BASED TO ADDRESS THE CITY STAFF'S CONCERN, WHICH IS NOISE AND VISIBILITY.
YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE AROUND THE CORNER AND NOISE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THERE'S NO WAY TO GO FAST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ROOM.
IT'S A SMALL SUBDIVISION. SO WE REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK FOR A LOCAL SIDE STREET AND A TEN FOOT SETBACK FOR THE COLLECTOR SIDE STREET DOES MAKE SENSE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF WEST TEXAS THAT WE DEVELOP IN, AND WE KIND OF JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD GET HERE.
THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND DID NOT REALIZE THAT WAS NOT CORRECT.
AND WE NEED TO COME BACK. SO WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THAT.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING. NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? TIM, COULD YOU ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH? THE REQUESTED SETBACK IS. WE'RE LOOKING AT, JUST AS STAFF SAID, IS THE THE SITE VISION. WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THROUGH THERE, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THESE CORNER LOTS, IF YOU HAVE SUCH A SMALLER SETBACK, THE FRONT, THE NEXT HOUSE FRONT IS GOING TO BE SET BACK EVEN FURTHER.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NARROW WHERE YOU'RE TURNING ONTO THE STREET, BUT THE REST OF THE HOUSES ARE KIND OF FAN OUT, RIGHT? AND WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW SOME CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT WE'VE PUT ACROSS THE CITY.
THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WE CAN CUSTOMIZE IT SOME, BUT THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
OF COURSE, IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. Y'ALL CAN MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ROAD AND THEM HAVING SIDEWALKS AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, DOES THAT ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS WITH HOW FAR THE SETBACKS ARE? NO, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION DURING OUR STAFF MEETING. WE HAD QUITE THE LENGTHY CONVERSATION AND THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE DIVISION.
OKAY. YES, SIR. GREAT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, BUT HAVE WE ALLOWED LESSER SETBACKS WITH ANY OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA? NO, THERE AREN'T IN THIS AREA IN ANY OF THOSE SURROUNDING.
RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF NEW OUT THERE.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A BIG DEVELOPMENT OUT THAT WAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMPARE TO OTHERS.
YES, SIR. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOUTH SIDE DEVELOPMENTS. OKAY. YES, SIR.
OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM? ANYBODY? I THINK STAFF HAS TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO LOOK AT THIS.
WELL, I WILL I DISAGREE WITH HIM OCCASIONALLY.
I THINK I'D HONOR THEIR CONCERNS ON THIS ONE, AND I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE.
SO I WOULD MAKE I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR TRACKS A, B, C, D AND F. I SECOND. OKAY TIM WITH THE FIRST.
GARY WITH THE SECOND. MR. BARNETT YES, MR. HOUSE.
YES, MISS CARTER? YES. MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS LEWIS.
YES, MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOW GOING BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ORDINANCE. RECEIVE A REPORT OR 2020 501. RECEIVE A REPORT.
HOLD A DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF ABILENE TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER FOUR, ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION TWO, RELATED TO VACATION, TRAVEL, TRAILER AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS.
MASON. SORRY FOR MOVING YOU TO THE END. THAT'S OKAY.
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GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MASON TEAGARDEN. I WORK IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.TODAY I'M PRESENTING CASE O8 2020 501. THE APPLICANT IS A CITY OF ABILENE, AND THE REQUEST IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER FOUR, ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION 11 VACATION, TRAVEL TRAILER AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE REDUCING THE MAXIMUM SITE DENSITY FROM 12 UNITS PER ACRE TO TEN UNITS PER ACRE, INCREASING THE MINIMUM SITE SIZE FROM TWO ACRES TO FIVE ACRES, ALLOWING THE SITE LOCATION TO ABUT AOE ZONING, INCREASING THE SETBACKS WITHIN THE ENTIRE PARK TO HAVE A COHESIVE 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM PROPERTY LINES, TRAILERS, STRUCTURES AND INTERIOR STREETS. REQUIRING EACH PAD SITE TO HAVE AVAILABLE SPACE FOR TWO VEHICLES AS OPPOSED TO ONE REQUIRING ALL PAVED ALL PAVING TO BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX, REQUIRING MORE SPACE FOR AMENITIES AND ACCESSORY USES, REQUIRING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS, AND ADDING SIGNAGE REGULATIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MASON? OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? TAL FILLINGIM WITH JACOB AND MARTIN.
I WHEN I GOT HERE TODAY, I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SPEAK TO THIS, SO APOLOGIZE TO STAFF.
SO APOLOGIES THERE TO ALL THE STAFF. HOPEFULLY THEY KNOW I WOULDN'T DO THAT INTENTIONALLY, BUT A COUPLE OF CONCERNS HERE. I THINK PRIMARILY THE HAVING TWO VEHICLE SPACES AT EACH PAD SITE SEEMS PROBLEMATIC TO ME.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE DESIGNED I'VE DESIGNED A LOT OF RV PARKS AND I DON'T KNOW OF VERY MANY PEOPLE PULLING AN RV THAT ALSO PULL AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE WITH THAT RV.
I'VE SEEN IT, BUT IT'S PRETTY RARE. I THINK TO REQUIRE TWO PASSENGER VEHICLE SPOTS IN ADDITION TO YOUR RV SLIP SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO ME. I THINK ONE ONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS A LOT OF THESE CHANGES ARE ARE GOOD.
I THINK IT'S HEADED IN A GOOD DIRECTION THAT THAT'S THE THE BIG ONE FOR ME.
THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS IS A IS A BASICALLY PULLING IN A JUST A STRAIGHT BUFFERING REQUIREMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, THE TYPE B BUFFER. IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I'D, I'D MODIFY THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T THINK HAVING IT ALONG ALL BORDERS IS APPROPRIATE.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON. JUST SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE BUFFERING IS CONNECTED TO.
IF YOU'RE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL NEXT TO COMMERCIAL, IT VARIES RIGHT WITH WHAT THE BUFFERING THAT YOU'RE TRYING, THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU THAT YOU NEED TO DO. I SO THE, THE INCREASING THE SETBACKS, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM ON THAT.
TO HAVE THE COHESIVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, I WAS I WAS THINKING THAT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN TRAILERS AND EXTERIOR BOUNDARIES, BUT FRONT, FRONT BOUNDARIES AND INTERNAL STREETS, I'M NOT SURE. NORMALLY THESE ARE, ARE ARE RV PARKS.
THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUAL LOTS. AND SO WITH ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BOUNDARY I DO THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE TO INCREASE THE SETBACK IN THE FRONT.
NOT SO MUCH TRAILER TO TRAILER. BUT BUT IN THE FRONT JUST FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT.
SO THOSE THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND AGAIN, IF I HAD TO RANK ONE OF THE OVER THE OTHER, I WOULD SAY THE TWO SPACES FOR PASSENGER CARS SEEMS SEEMS EXCESSIVE. ON THE RV PARKS THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CONCRETE HOT MIX PAVING REQUIREMENT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER. WELL, I'M NOT SURE.
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TO ME, IT'S CONNECTED TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT RV PARKS. IT'S IT'S ABOUT HOW WE VIEW THAT AS A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN PROCESS OF, OF REWRITING THE LDC.
THIS, THIS I SUSPECT AT LEAST IS TEMPORARY. YEAH.
UNTIL THAT NEW LDC IS ISSUED AND THIS MAY BE WHAT'S ADOPTED IN THAT NEW LDC, BUT BUT IT MAY NOT BE AND YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THERE IS I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND NEEDING TO REEVALUATE THIS AND AND AND MAKE MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF RV PARKS GOING IN A LOT. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
FOR ME, THE, THE PAVEMENT ITSELF, I THINK HISTORICALLY WE'VE ALLOWED THINGS LIKE BASS OR MILLINGS I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT FOR ME TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON MY OPINION ON THAT, IT'S REALLY CONNECTED TO SOME OTHER THINGS.
ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THAT IN OTHER AREAS OR ARE WE NOT AS A COMMUNITY? I THINK YOU GOT TO DECIDE THAT ALTOGETHER, AS OPPOSED TO PICK A SPECIFIC USE LIKE AN RV PARK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT HERE. YEAH. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME ANSWERING THAT ONE.
I THESE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME AS SOME CONCERNS.
THAT KIND OF TENSION AND UNCERTAINTY IS KIND OF HOW I FELT, WHICH IS WHY I HAD THE QUESTION LIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE ADOPTING EVERYWHERE, OR IS THIS THIS THE SAME WITH THE SETBACKS? I LIKE HOW THE SETBACKS ARE SPELLED OUT, BUT BUT THEN WHEN WE CHANGE THE LDC, I DON'T I ALMOST WANT IT TO REFER TO THE PREVIOUS TO WHAT IT'S TRYING TO BE IN LINE WITH, RATHER THAN NOW WE HAVE TO GO CHANGE IT EVERYWHERE WHERE WE'VE COPIED AND PASTED IT.
YEAH. BECAUSE TRYING TO TRYING TO GET THESE IN LINE AND TRYING TO CREATE THEM IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE DONE WELL, BUT THEN ALSO THAT IN TEN YEARS, IF MAYBE OUR CONSTRUCTION HAS SLOWED DOWN AND WE DON'T NEED AS MANY RV PARKS AS WE CURRENTLY NEED.
LIKE WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE ABILENE IN TEN YEARS? RIGHT? 15 AND SO I APPRECIATE THE STAFF TRYING TO THINK THAT OUT OF WHAT WE BUILD AND HOW IT LOOKS, AND IS IT DONE IN SUCH A WAY TO ALLOW US TO GROW? YEAH. YOU BET. TO RESPOND TO TODAY'S NEEDS AS WELL AS TOMORROW'S.
AND SO. YOU BET. THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND TO TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH, YEAH.
AND ONE MORE THING I WOULD ADD, AND I STARTED TO MENTION THIS.
I'M SWITCHING TOPICS ON YOU. I'M SORRY. AND I KNOW MY THREE MINUTES IS UP, BUT WHILE I'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO TO REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S A DIFFICULT PROJECT TO COMPLETE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SHOULD BE A WORKING DOCUMENT. THAT IS WORK, THAT IS WORKING EVERY YEAR LIKE IT'S IT'S BEING MODIFIED AS GROWTH IS HAPPENING AND NOT ONCE A DECADE OR OR MORE. IT'S A LARGE UNDERTAKING.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS NOT UNDERTAKEN, BUT EVERY DECADE.
RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S A TON OF WORK AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET RIGHT.
BUT AS WE COME THROUGH WITH ZONING REQUESTS IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU OUGHT TO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
I WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT I'M PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN I BRING ZONING CASES, IF THAT COMES UP. BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT EVERYWHERE.
IT IT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED IN SOME SPOTS, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE EXACTLY WHAT HIS SAYS AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DENY OR APPROVE A ZONING BASED ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I DO TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT OF A DOCUMENT THAT IS TO TO GET EXACTLY RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE ZONING CASE I HAD WHILE AGO IS IS ONE OF THEM.
I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE IN TRANSITION IN SOME SPOTS.
AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS IT RELATES TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? CLINT ROSENBAUM, ROSENBAUM ENGINEERING. AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A LIST AND NOT START THAT, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO OVER THREE MINUTES. OKAY. I'LL LET YOU GO OVER WHEN YOU GO OVER. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS. IT IS 3:00.
WE'LL SEE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY IT'S 4:00.
OKAY. THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY I MOVED IT TO THE END.
OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL AGREE WITH TAL. YOU KNOW OUR ZONING CASE THAT WE JUST HAD TODAY, THE ALLEY VERSUS THE GC, IS A DIRECT RESULT OF WHAT HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THOSE AREAS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. AND I'M GOING TO I'M PRESENTING MY I'M NOT PRESENTING MYSELF AS AN RV PARK DESIGNER. OKAY. I TELL THE PEOPLE TO GO TALK TO TAL AND CLAYTON OVER AT JACOB MARTIN OR BJ OVER AT HIBBS AND TODD,
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BUT I AM DESIGNING RV PARK FOR A LONG TIME. CUSTOMER MINE OKAY.AND SO THIS HAS KIND OF DIRECT. SO I DID KIND OF GET INVOLVED BY REVIEWING.
THIS IS THE REASON I'M KIND OF UP HERE AND KIND OF TALKING TO YOU ABOUT RV PARKS, BUT DON'T DON'T THINK THAT I'M AN EXPERT IN RV PARKS BECAUSE I'M ONLY DESIGNING ONE TOWEL AND THEM ARE DESIGNING A BUNCH. BJ AND THOSE GUYS OVER THERE DESIGNING A BUNCH.
AND I'LL GO BACK. I'LL START WITH THE, THE, THE REQUIRING ALL PAVING TO BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX AND TOWEL KIND OF HESITATED BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUE THAT TOWELS GOT.
WE'RE DOING IT IN WE'RE DOING SOME OF THIS STUFF IN SOME OTHER PLACES, NOT NECESSARILY IN RV PARK.
SO IT'S GOT IMPLICATIONS IN MORE THAN JUST RV PARKS.
OKAY. BUT THE WORDING THAT WAS CHANGED IN HERE WAS LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT ALL MY STUFF HERE.
THE WORDING THAT WAS CHANGED AND THIS IS IN. THIS IS IN.
INGRESS AND EGRESS IS WHERE THE WORDING IS AT.
AND IT'S IN THE PAVING SECTION OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.
AND IN IT, THE FIRST PART OF THAT ADDRESSES COMING OFF OF THE STREET AND COMING TO YOUR OFFICE.
AND WHAT IT SAID BEFORE WAS HAVE A DURABLE SURFACE SUCH AS COMPACTED BASE MATERIAL.
OKAY. THE REASON THAT HAS BEEN CROSSED OUT AND GONE TO BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SAID THAT CLICHI OR OR OR GRAVEL IS NOT A DUSTLESS SURFACE AND WE WANT TO GO TO A DUSTLESS SURFACE.
OKAY. I AGREE WITH THAT. 100% AGREE WITH THAT.
OKAY. BUT MILLINGS IN THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE, THE ASPHALT, MILLINGS THOSE CAN BE USED, BUT THOSE ARE NOT A DUSTLESS SURFACE. OKAY. SO TO MAKE THOSE A DUSTLESS SURFACE, WE PUT AN EMULSION.
WE PUT AN EMULSION, WE PUT AN EMULSION OVER THE MILLINGS TO MAKE THAT A DUSTLESS SURFACE.
SO WE'RE USING MILLINGS AS A PAVED SURFACE, BUT WE'RE PUTTING EMULSION OVER THE TOP OF IT.
OKAY. SO TO SAY WE CHANGED FROM COMPACTED BASE MATERIAL TO CONCRETE OR HOT MIX OKAY.
CONCRETE AND HOT MIX ARE VERY SPECIFIC. OKAY.
IT DOESN'T TAKE MILLIONS WITH AN EMULSION OVER THE TOP OF IT INTO ACCOUNT. OKAY.
BUT IN ABOUT FOUR OTHER SPOTS IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE LEFT THE WORD PAVED IN.
OKAY. WE DID NOT CHANGE IT TO CONCRETE OR HOT MIX.
THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE CHANGED IT TO CONCRETE OR HOT MIX IS.
ALL OTHER SURFACES INTENDED FOR REGULAR VEHICLE USE SHALL BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX.
IT'S ALL THE REST OF THE ROADS THROUGH THE RV PARK HAVE TO BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX.
OKAY, SO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE SAYS THE ENTRANCE ROAD FOR THE PUBLIC STREET TO TO THE MAIN OFFICE, PLUS THE PARKING OF THE OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ACCESSIBLE BY GENERAL PUBLIC, SHALL BE PAVED. AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY ALL OTHER SERVICES INTENDED FOR REGULAR VEHICLE USE BE CONCRETE OR CONCRETE OR HOT MIX.
OKAY, SO WE'RE MIXING PAVED IN CONCRETE AND HOT MIX.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT PAVED IS CONCRETE OR HOT MIX OR ARE WE SAYING PAVED? WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS WITH IT. BUT PAVED IS ALSO USED IN IN THE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DOCUMENT.
OVER IN OVER IN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE PARKING, THE RV PARKING SPOT ITSELF, OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RV PARKING SPOT ITSELF, WHICH ALSO MENTIONED THE TWO INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES, OKAY, THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH AND IT SAYS SHALL BE LEVEL PAVED AND WELL DRAINED. OKAY. SO WHAT IS PAVED IN THAT CONTEXT MEANS.
SO WE'VE GOT ACTUALLY PAVING IN THREE CONTEXTS IN HERE.
WE'VE GOT IT OFF THE STREET TO THE OFFICE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PARK, AND WE'VE GOT IT WHERE THE RV PARKS, THE RVS PARKED THEMSELVES. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY TAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL SPOTS AND COME UP WITH SOME OTHER DIFFERENT KIND OF THING. BUT WE DIDN'T JUST SAY ALL PAVING TO BE CONCRETE OR HOT MIX THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT.
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THAT WAS NOT THE CHANGE IN HERE. SO I THINK THERE'S A DISCREPANCY IN HERE.AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS MILLINGS BE ABLE TO BE USED IN SOME INSTANCES IN, IN THE PARK.
OKAY. SO BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING BUILDINGS TO BE USED IN OTHER PLACES, AT LEAST ENGINEERING NOT PLANNING, BUT ENGINEERING IS ACCEPTING MILLINGS AS AN ACCEPTABLE WITH AN EMULSION OVER IT AN ACCEPTABLE DUSTLESS SURFACE.
SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF GETTING A DUSTLESS SURFACE, WHICH I THINK WAS THE INTENT OF TAKING OUT THE ROAD TO GET A DUSTLESS SURFACE, NOT NECESSARILY TO MAKE EVERYTHING PAVED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PARK.
DO YOU THINK IF IT HAD A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF PAVED HERE AND AFTER MEETING CONCRETE HOT MIX OR DUSTLESS SURFACE? WELL, BUT SEE, BRAD, I THINK THAT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE USING DUSTLESS SURFACE PAVING AND A LOT OF OTHER CONTEXT AND A LOT OF OTHER USES.
AND TO JUST DO IT HERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT HAS A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS.
OTHER PLACES YOU WOULD WANT ANY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS LIMITED TO THIS, THIS ORDINANCE.
YEAH. SO ANYWAY, SO I THINK IT'S A IT'S A COMPLICATION.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF YOU KNOW TIM YOU GUYS AND I THINK ENGINEERING REALLY OUGHT TO BE INVOLVED IN WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS THE TYPES OF ROADS THAT WOULD BE IN THESE THINGS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE THEY'RE OFF THE STREET.
IT'S UP TO THE PARK TO MAINTAIN THE STREET. OKAY.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THE OTHER THING I KIND OF BACK ON WHAT WHAT TAL WAS SAYING.
AND I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH WHAT TAL SAID ABOUT TWO INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES.
OKAY. THE THE WORDING, THEY ADDED THE WORDING BEFORE SAID PROVIDE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, COMMA A CAR. SO IT SAID A CAR. AND THEN WHAT THEY ADDED WAS TWO INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES AS WELL.
SO IN AN RV PARK, THE WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE IN THE PARK THAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE RV ITSELF, WE'VE GOT AN 80 FOOT PAD FOR THE RV. SO YOU'VE GOT THE RV AND YOU'VE GOT A SPOT FOR A CAR AT THE END OF THE RV, AND WE'RE JUST ADDING ANOTHER SPOT NEXT TO IT.
OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 15 FOOT GAP BETWEEN THE TWO RVS.
OKAY. SO WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER CAR IN THERE IN THAT SPOT, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
DOES THIS LANGUAGE IMPLY THAT WE CAN DO THAT, OR DOES IT IMPLY THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT? PLUS WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO CAR SPOTS WHICH WON'T FIT BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 15 SPOT 15FT BETWEEN AN RV.
SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THAT THAT WORKS. THE OTHER THING.
AND, I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO TAKE UP EVERYBODY'S TIME. I'M SAYING THIS MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION. THIS THIS WHOLE THING, BEFORE YOU GUYS PASS IT ON TO COUNCIL MAY NEED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION.
OKAY. SO WHAT THAT WAS SAYING IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE BUILDINGS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE, THE PAVILIONS SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T GO OVER 10% OF THE PARK.
THAT'S KIND OF AN ODD STATEMENT, BUT BUT WHAT WE CHANGED IT TO WAS SUCH ESTABLISHMENTS AND PARKING AREA, PRIMARILY RELATED TO OPERATIONS AND OR AMENITIES, SHALL BE PROVIDED AT A RATE OF 10% OF THE GROSS AREA OF THE LOT FOR ANY PARK LARGER THAN TEN UNITS. OKAY, SO IT'S SAYING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO PUT 10% IN THERE.
IT'S WHAT THAT SAYS WHERE BEFORE YOU DIDN'T NEED TO GO OVER TEN, YOU COULD BE LESS THAN TEN.
NOW THIS SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO PUT 10% IN THERE.
OKAY. WELL FURTHER DOWN IN HERE WE SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 2.5% LANDSCAPE THROUGHOUT THE PARK.
OKAY. IS THAT 2.5% OF OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIRED PART OF THIS 10%? IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEN YOU'RE NOW WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE 12.5% OF THE PARK HAS TO BE.
SO I'M NOT SURE. DOESN'T FEEL CLEAR. YEAH. SOME OF IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
AND THEN I'M KIND OF LIKE TORE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE'VE TAKEN THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS VERBATIM OUT OF THE OUT OF CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION FOUR, WHATEVER IT IS, WHERE THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS ARE AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WE'VE JUST COPIED THEM AND DROPPED THEM IN THIS IN THIS SECTION.
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THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH A BUNCH OF OTHER AREAS AND CHANGE THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. SO I AGREE IT'S THE SAME.I JUST TO ME IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU STAYING AND JUST CARING, CONSIDERING THIS ISN'T A CASE BEFORE YOU.
THIS ISN'T WHAT YOU DO ALL THE TIME, BUT TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT.
I THINK FROM YOUR TIME ON THIS COMMISSION OF BEING ABLE TO BE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO CREATE, WE WANT TO CREATE GUIDANCE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THE RULES. RIGHT? RATHER THAN TRY TO CREATE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS OF. AND SO THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, OKAY, BUT BUT YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. YOU'VE SEEN MY CONCERN.
IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. YES. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION.
TIM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK? AFTER HEARING THOSE TWO CONCERNS? SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. Y'ALL JUST THE THREE OF Y'ALL KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN THE SEVEN OF US.
AND SO I KNOW A LOT MORE NOW. EVERYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN HERE WAS INTENTIONAL.
IT WAS WE'VE HEARD OUR COUNCIL SAY WE NEEDED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
SO STAFF TOOK THAT AS DIRECTION TO AMEND THIS PORTION.
THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING WAS INTENTIONAL TO ALLOW FOR ALL CASES, WHETHER IT BE A HUSBAND PULLING A TRAILER AND A WIFE FOLLOWING WITH THE KIDS.
LATER, THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PARK OFF THE STREET.
YEAH. AND THE IDEA HERE IS TO GET THEM OFF THE STREET SO THAT WE DON'T BLOCK FIRST RESPONDERS.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT.
AND WILL IT BE USED ALL THE TIME? PROBABLY NOT.
BUT HERE LATELY? PROBABLY THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S FILLING THESE PARKS UP. YES, IT WILL BE USED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT THE 2.5% THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ON PURPOSE.
SO THAT WE MAKE THESE SITES HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, PRETTIER.
YEAH. RIGHT THERE. A BETTER LOOKING SITE. THE THE MINIMUM.
THERE'S SOME WORDING THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST ON THE 10% THAT HE BROUGHT UP.
IT'S IT SHOULD SAY A MINIMUM OF 10%. NOT NOT AT LEAST I THINK THE PREVIOUSLY SAID A MAX OF 10%.
BUT NOW WE'RE MAKING IT A MINIMUM OF 10% OF GREEN SPACE FOR ACCESSORIES.
RIGHT? SO IT'D BE 12.5. NO, THE LANDSCAPING PORTION DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THAT.
OKAY. WE WANT TEN MINIMUM OF 10% OF THE SITE, WHICH IS FIVE ACRES, IS ABOUT A HALF ACRE.
YEAH. FOR OFFICE AMENITIES, OPEN SPACE, ETC..
WE'RE TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THESE RV PARKS IN A WAY THAT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CONCRETE AND HOT MIX.
AS FAR AS THE OLD DUSTLESS SURFACE, THIS WE DID WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON WRITING THIS, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO GET RID OF THAT MILLINGS IN DESOLATE SURFACE, EVEN TREATED, EVEN TREATED MILLINGS.
SO YEAH, IT'S JUST NOT A DURABLE SURFACE. IT DOESN'T LAST.
YEAH. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TWEAKS.
YOU KNOW I SENT THIS TO, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, TOWEL, TOWEL.
AND THEN WITH JACOB AND MARTIN AND GIBBS AND TODD, I SENT THIS TO THEM TWO WEEKS AGO.
OKAY. WHEN WE FINALLY WRAPPED IT UP FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
AND THIS WAS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD TODAY. OKAY.
YEAH. AND EVERYBODY'S BUSY. WE'RE ALL SWAMPED, AND I DIDN'T EXPECT TO GET IT BACK, BUT WE WERE WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO GET THIS THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS THAT CLINT HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS BJ, IF HE HAS ANY AND MAKE SOME TWEAKS HERE AND THERE AS AS THEY SEE WAR WARRANTED.
AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT TODAY, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, WOULD THAT STILL LEAVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE TWEAKS BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL AND OH YES, SIR. THEY CAN STILL BE ALTERED WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD TO JUST MAYBE MAKE A FEW OF THESE THINGS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
YES. YES. AS A MATTER OF FACT WE'VE WE'VE ADDED A COUPLE OF WORDS IN THERE, LIKE THE HOT MIX.
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THE THAT'S ON THE COUNCIL SIDE. OKAY. BUT IT'S IT'S THE INTENT WAS THE SAME.THE COUNCIL READ IT THE SAME. IT JUST NEEDED TO BE CLEARED UP WITH ADDING A WORD.
OKAY. I KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THAT.
I KNOW IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAS BEEN, HAS LOOKED AT ORDINANCES LIKE THIS OFTEN THEY'VE BEEN DISCUSSED AND TWEAKED, AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS, THE FINAL VERSION THEN SEND IT TO COUNCIL.
AND THIS CHANGE WAS SINCE LIKE A STAFF RECOMMENDED CHANGE AND SHOW THEM THE DIFFERENCE.
OR IF THIS THIS COMMISSION GIVES DIRECTION TO STAFF TO KEEP IT THIS WAY AND SEND IT ON PLUS X, Y OR Z, THEN THAT WOULD BE APPROVED. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU AS A COMMISSION APPROVES NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
IT'S WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY. WELL, NOT I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERBATIM WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY, BUT EITHER WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY OR WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY, PLUS SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
OKAY. YEAH. WHATEVER THIS COMMISSION DECIDES TO PUSH FORWARD, THAT'S HOW WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THE COUNCIL ON EITHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF THEY PULL IT FOR THE FIRST READ, WHICH THEY MAY OR DEFINITELY FOR THE FINAL READ.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF TREAT THIS LIKE A FIRST READ AND TABLE IT FOR.
THAT'S THAT'S UP TO YOU. DOES THAT CREATE A UNDUE DELAY ON Y'ALL'S END.
FEELS BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S MINE IS I. I TRUST YOU ENOUGH.
AND I TRUST THE FACT THAT YOU'VE SENT IT TO, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS TO TRY TO GET THERE.
AND YOU'RE HEARING FEEDBACK LIKE, I FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH RECOMMENDING WITH YOU AT COUNCIL SAYING, HEY, WE WENT WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE COMMISSION, PUSHED IT FORWARD TO Y'ALL, BUT ASKED US TO MAKE SURE WE WORKED WITH THE LOCAL ENGINEERS TO TRY TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, JUST TO HELP WITH ANY CONFUSION, AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO PRESENT IT THAT WAY AND GIVE US THAT, THEN I'M COMFORTABLE BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T WANT US TO CREATE A WE'RE NOT BACK HERE FOR A MONTH.
SO THEN YOU'RE TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY CAN BE DONE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY.
OKAY. FOR CITY COUNCIL'S FIRST READING I AGREE WITH YOU.
AT THE REQUEST OF ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE KIND OF FAST TRACKING THIS ONE.
BUT IF Y'ALL DECIDED TO TABLE IT, WE WOULD PULL IT, OF COURSE.
YEAH. BUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? ESPECIALLY THE CLEANING UP OF THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, IT WILL DEFINITELY BE PRESENTED AS RECOMMENDED BY THIS COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO IF YOU'RE PRESENTING IT THURSDAY, LIKE OR DO YOU BELIEVE LIKE ANY OF THAT WILL BE CHANGED WITHIN NOW IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS OR TYPICALLY ON THE FIRST READ? THERE'S NO ACTION.
IT'S JUST A FIRST READ. WE'LL HAVE THE LAST MEETING OF OF THIS MONTH TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO SO THEY MAY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CLEANUP AS WELL.
YES. OKAY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE NOW THAT I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IT.
I THINK CITY COUNCIL TENDS TO REVIEW OUR DISCUSSION HERE ON MATTERS LIKE THIS.
SO I THINK CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE A LOOK AT IT.
YEAH, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC. HILLARY CLINTON.
SO I AGREE WITH THIS PROCESS. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH.
AND SO BUT IT'S USUALLY THIS WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
RIGHT. UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS TO PULL IT OFF. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
SO IT REALLY DOESN'T GO BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO BUT BUT I AGREE. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS MOVING. AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUT MY INPUT IN THERE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER BECAUSE YOU SHOWED UP HERE TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I GOT ONE MORE THING ON THERE.
YOU MIGHT REVIEW THAT 300FT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COMPLIES WITH THAT THERE.
ANY RV HAS TO BE 300FT. I DON'T THINK ANY RV PARKS COMPLY WITH THAT.
ANYWAY. 500 SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A BETTER IT'S A BETTER DISTANCE.
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IS IF I CAN FIND IT. I'M SORRY. LET ME GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.I BELIEVE THAT'S THE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RESTROOM FACILITIES.
21. ONE FOR 20. RIGHT. ANYTHING OVER 20. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE A THE THE AMENITIES PROVIDED AT EACH PET SITE, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL A RESTROOM AND STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING IT RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT 100, IF YOU'VE GOT 100 RV SLOTS AND YOU HAVE ONE FOR 20, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE TOILET, SHOWER AND SINKS IN THAT PARK. BUT IF ALL OF THE THE WAY I READ THIS, IF ALL OF THE RV STATIONS HAVE A HOOKUP WITH WATER AND SEWER AND POWER, YOU DON'T NEED THAT, RIGHT? OKAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY STAFF HAS BEEN IMPLIED.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY STAFF HAS BEEN ENFORCING THAT. YEAH, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION JUST YESTERDAY.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT 100% APPLICATION OF THAT THROUGH YOUR PARK, YOU WOULDN'T NEED THOSE ADDITIONAL.
THANKS. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR RECOMMENDATIONS? MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE RV PARKS COMING IN, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE THEM BEAUTIFUL IS GREAT, BUT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LEAVE AT SOME POINT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE RV PARKS.
AND IN THESE RV PARKS. THEY'RE HERE FOR TEMPORARY PURPOSES.
RV PARKS ARE HERE AND THEY'RE WORKERS. YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS WORKERS WORKING.
AND SO WE HAVE ALL OF THESE RV PARKS COMING IN.
WHAT WHAT CAN WE CAN DO. RIGHT. AND TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONCERN, IF A RV PARK GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, IT'S AN EASY PLACE TO TO REDEVELOP BECAUSE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE.
YEAH, RIGHT. YES. THAT TO ME THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S TO ME.
WHY THE WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING IN THE WORK COUNCIL ASK Y'ALL TO DO? ABSOLUTELY.
SO THAT IT HAS INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAS THE STUFF IT NEEDS.
SO IF ONE DAY IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN DO SOMETHING, IT'S EASILY REPURPOSED.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO PUSH THIS FORWARD? I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY CONDITIONS, BUT WE WILL JUST TAKE TIM AND THEIR WORD FOR IT THAT THEY WILL PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL AND CONTINUE TO KIND OF TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE THINGS AS CLEAR AS WE CAN. ANY MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE ZACH.
WITH A MOTION. I'LL SECOND KRISTEN WITH A SECOND.
MR. BARNETT? YES, MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS PARKER? YES, MR. HALLIBURTON? YES, MISS LEWIS? YES. MR. SIPES? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.