ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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IT'S 130. WE WILL GET STARTED WITH OUR INVOCATION.MR. HALLIBURTON, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN PRAYER? LORD, WE'RE JUST SO GRATEFUL TO YOU IN THIS SEASON OF THANKSGIVING, THIS SEASON OF CELEBRATION, FOR ALL THE ABUNDANCE THAT WE ENJOY IN THIS NATION AND IN OUR CITY, WE PRAY FOR GREAT WISDOM AND CLARITY OF THOUGHT AND AND MAY EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS TODAY JUST BE ABLE TO SPEAK THEIR HEART IN A WAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND WITH CLARITY.
WE ASK YOU, LORD, TO JUST GOVERN THIS MEETING.
HOWEVER, IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF ZONING.
THE DECISION OF THIS COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY, NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING.
THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR APPEARING.
EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR TIME.
OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
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HAVE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ONE EDIT THAT I SAW ON ITEM Z22 25 OR 20 2540. THAT WAS UNANIMOUS, BUT I ABSTAINED FROM THAT ONE BECAUSE IT WAS IT'S ADJACENCY TO A PROPERTY. AND SO BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DIDN'T SEE ANY EDITS.SO STILL SIX ZERO, BUT WITH ONE ABSTENTION. ANY OTHER EDITS THAT ANYBODY SAW? OKAY. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? NO ONE'S EVER COME FORWARD FOR THIS PART.
AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE WE GOT STARTED.
WE WANT TO WELCOME TYSON STRAUSSER. TYSON IS NEW TO OUR COMMISSION, SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
AND SO WE WANT TO SEND OUR THANKS TO MITCH BARNETT FOR HIS AND TYSON.
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THIS IS ZONING CASE 20 2542. RECEIVE A REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 18.11 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL, OPEN AND MEDIUM DENSITY TO MULTIFAMILY.THIS IS LOCATED AT 2242 OAKLAND DRIVE. KIRA. GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE AGENT IS DEAN FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, LOCATED AT 3101 STANFORD LLC.
OH, SORRY. THE OWNERS OF 3101 STANFORD LLC, LOCATED AT 2242 OAKLAND DRIVE.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE, OPEN AND MEDIUM DENSITY TO MULTIFAMILY.
HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP YOU CAN SEE PART OF IT IS ALREADY MULTIFAMILY.
HERE WE HAVE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS. HERE ARE SOME SURROUNDING PROPERTY VIEWS.
HERE ARE THE USES PERMITTED IN AGRICULTURE. OPEN.
PERMITTED USES IN MEDIUM DENSITY. PERMITTED USES IN MULTIFAMILY.
THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OBJECTIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING DETAILED OR IN WRITING? ONE OF THEM WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
THE OTHER ONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOW THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS WITH ALL THE OVERGROWTH.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KYRA? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WE WILL WANT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS IT? OKAY.
SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTIONS?
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I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. YEAH. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.YEAH. THERE'S OTHER AREA. IT'S A IT'S A NICE BIG ROAD AS WELL.
SO, SO SO THERE'S A SECOND. YES I'LL SECOND. OKAY.
SO KEVIN WOULD THE FIRST PERSON WITH THE SECOND MR. STRASSER. YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS PIPER? YES.
MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS. LEWIS. YES. MR.. SITES.
RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE APPROXIMATELY OR TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 5.1 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, LOCATED AT 2258 SOUTH TREDWAY BOULEVARD.
ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.
THIS CASE, Z 20 2543 OWNED BY HIT VENTURES, LLC.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE APPROXIMATELY 5.1 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS INTERSECTING BUTTERNUT SOUTH 21ST AND SOUTH TREDWAY BOULEVARD.
HERE IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY SOME HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND A BIT FURTHER WEST OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SELF STORAGE UNIT, SELF STORAGE FACILITY JUST TO THE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL USES AND VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, TO THE WEST AND THE NORTH.
AND HERE ARE THE ALLOWED USES IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS. WE RECEIVED NONE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST.
CITY STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME ON THE APPLICATION.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A USED CAR LOT POTENTIALLY, AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY COULDN'T DO.
SO THEY'RE DOWN DOWN ZONING. YES THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE, KEVIN. MOTION AND SHAWNTE'.
SECOND. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. KEVIN WITH THE.
KEVIN WITH THE FIRST. SHAWNTE' WITH THE SECOND, MR. STRASSER. YES. MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS. KIKER. YES.
MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS. LEWIS. YES. MR. SEITZ YES.
AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ZONING CASE 20 2544.
RECEIVE A REPORT OF DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 109.8 ACRES FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. LOCATED AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD. CLARISSA.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CLARISSA IVEY. BEFORE YOU HAVE KIDS.
20 2544 THE REQUEST IS MADE BY THE OWNER, WALTER HENDERSON BLACKBURN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD.
IT'S NEAR THE SERVICE ROAD AND RIGHT NORTH OF A THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROPERTY VIEWS AS WELL AS NEIGHBORING.
THESE ARE THE ALLOWED USES IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE ALLOWED USES IN GENERAL.
COMMERCIAL. THANK YOU. WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN A 0.06% OPPOSITION RATE. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
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SO THIS ITEM IS GOING TO GO WITH THE NEXT ITEM.POTENTIALLY THIS GOES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
FOLLOWING OKAY TO ALLOW RV SPACES. WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE OBJECTIONS THAT WERE TURNED IN? THE OBJECTIONS THAT CAME IN WERE JUST CHECKED OFF AS GENERAL OBJECTIONS.
YES. OKAY. I DID, HOWEVER, HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT CITIZEN THAT CAME IN YESTERDAY, AND SHE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND WITH THE RAILROAD BEING THERE AND THE SERVICE ROAD, AND ALSO WITH THE AMOUNT OF THE PROPOSED SURVEY SPACES. BUT THAT'S FOR THE NEXT ITEM. SO MOSTLY JUST I GUESS RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU.
AND I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, THE REPRESENTATIVE AND I THE LADY THAT I SPOKE WITH SAID SHE WANTED TIME TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK. OKAY, GREAT. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO CHANGING JUST THE ZONING OF THE LAND.
THE SECOND ONE IS RELATED TO CONDITIONAL USE THAT CAN BE USED ON THAT LAND.
AND SO WHILE THEY'LL GO HAND IN HAND AND WE'LL BE DEALING WITH THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER THEY ARE, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN TIME. AND SO THE, THE APPROVAL OF ONE DOES NOT GUARANTEE THE APPROVAL OF THE OTHER.
YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP AND TALK AT EITHER OR BOTH OCCASIONS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. QUARTER NORRIS WITH GIBBS AND TODD.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. PRELIMINARY STUFF. CLARISSA DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DESCRIBING EVERYTHING, BUT I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER THAT PROVIDE ANY INSIGHT.
YEP. AND I CAN COME BACK UP DURING THAT THAT AGENDA ITEM IF NEEDED.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW I WAS HERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU LEAVE QUARTER, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RECENT PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT. OH YEAH. PASSED HIS PS FOR ENGINEERS.
SO THEY LET YOU COME TALK? YES, SIR. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS GREG. I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT.
ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH GREAT LENGTHS TO FIND THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY TO SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. IT'S. AND AGAIN, YOU MAY HEAR THIS AGAIN UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT IT'S NOT UNDER THE GUISE OF A TYPICAL RV PARK WITH THE TRANSIENT TYPE NATURE, BUT MORE PERMANENT COTTAGE UNITS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE FOR LEADERSHIP AND EXECUTIVES THAT ARE WORKING AT THE VANTAGE DATA CENTER SITE.
SO IT'S VERY PURPOSE BUILT SPECIFIC AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC.
THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF OURS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE SELECTED A LOCATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT OFF OF I-20 YOU'VE GOT HIGHWAY 80, YOU'VE GOT BUSINESS 20 ACCESS AND FM 18 AS WELL.
SO WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW FOR A LOT LESS IMPACT AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC.
NOR WILL YOU HAVE A LOT OF THIS TRAILER IN AND OUT OR TRANSIENT TYPE TRAFFIC.
IT'S A LOT LESS IMPACT OF USES. SO WE WOULD REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THIS PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP AND RELAX IN THE MIDDLE OF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING FOR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? WE'RE REALLY NOT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DESIGNED OR SET UP AS A DESTINATION RESORT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, RIGHT? THESE ARE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING SPECIFIC ON THIS PROJECT.
WHEN THIS PROJECT IS OVER AND THE DEMAND IS GONE.
OUR INTENTION AND EXPECTATION IS THAT IS LIMITED AND ONLY RESTRICTED TO US, OUR OUR PROGRAM, WHAT WE'RE SUBMITTING AS THE PLAN. IT WOULD BE LEFT UNDER A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING GOING FORWARD, BUT NOT ABLE TO BE USED AS AN RV PARK UNLESS THEY CAME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS TO GET THEIR OWN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER?
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GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MARK COLEMAN. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF RENTECH BOILER SYSTEMS. WE OPERATE THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING FACILITY JUST TO THE WEST OF THE 1202 ELMDALE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY.RENTECH. ACTUALLY LEASES THAT PROPERTY FROM CS ADVENTURES REAL ESTATE HOLDING.
JACK RENTS IS THE MANAGER OF CS ADVENTURES REAL ESTATE HOLDING.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK BOTH ON BEHALF OF RENTECH AND CS ADVENTURES.
JACK WAS BUSY DOING OTHER STUFF. SO WE HAVE WE JUST HAVE THREE MAIN AREAS OF CONCERNS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE WATER RUNOFF FROM THE 1202 ELLENDALE PROPERTY.
THAT ELLENDALE PROPERTY IS HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN RENTAL PROPERTY.
SO RAINWATER AND ANYTHING OFF OF THAT PROPERTY RUNS ACROSS OUR PROPERTY.
IT ACTUALLY RUNS ACROSS OUR MAIN ROAD AND OUR MAIN LAYDOWN AREA WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR FACILITY.
THE SECOND IS SAFETY. WE RUN GENERALLY A 24 HOUR SHIFT AT RENTECH MOSTLY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL TERM, I GUESS WE'RE AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
BUT WE WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT IF THE CURRENT DEVELOPER DECIDES TO CHANGE THAT MISSION OR SELL THE PROPERTY OR ASSIGN IT TO AN AFFILIATED ENTITY THAT THAT IT DOES COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION TO BE DISCUSSED AND DETERMINED BECAUSE WE REALLY WOULD NOT SUPPORT A TRADITIONAL RV PARK ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS. MR. HAS, HAS, HAS SAID THAT HE'LL LOOK AT OUR CONCERNS.
WE ACTUALLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE WATER RUNOFF STUFF RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE IN THE DETAILED ENGINEERING SECTION OF THIS, WHICH THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. AND AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THAT ALL THESE ARE ADDRESSED BEFORE IT GOES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
AND FAIRLY ADDRESSED. SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HELLO. MY NAME IS ALICIA MOORE AND I LIVE AT 1149 ELMDALE ROAD.
NUMBER ONE IS TRAFFIC. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC THIS WILL BRING TO ELMDALE ROAD.
20. I USED TO HAVE A RING CAMERA SET UP ON MY FRONT PORCH, AND I STILL DO, BUT I HAVE EDITED THE ZONES AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY I COULD COUNT PROBABLY ABOUT 60 TO 7018 WHEELERS THAT WOULD DRIVE PAST MY HOUSE ON A DAILY BASIS.
NOT INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF 1000 NEW RESIDENTS.
I TEACH AT ULAH AND MY KIDS AND I HAVE TO BE AT SCHOOL BY 730, AND I AM CONCERNED AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THIS GINORMOUS COMMUNITY WILL ADD TO THE COMMUTE TO WORK. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHEN I LEAVE IN THE MORNINGS.
WILL I BE WAITING ON A ROAD FULL OF TRAFFIC TO JUST LEAVE MY HOUSE? WILL MY COMMUTE GO FROM 15 MINUTES TO 40 MINUTES? MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE DEPRECIATION VALUE OF OUR HOMES.
OUR HOUSE HAS GAINED A POSITIVE EQUITY OF OVER 100,000.
TO 6 A.M., ACCORDING TO THEIR PLAN OF OPERATION ONLINE.
HOWEVER, THE OFFICE HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M.
TO 6 P.M., AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM 9 A.M.
TO 4 P.M.. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHO WILL BE THERE TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE QUIET HOURS ARE ENFORCED? NOW, I KNOW THAT ON THEIR ON SITE MANAGEMENT PLAN, THAT IT ALSO STATES THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE A MANAGEMENT OFFICE ON SITE.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IF THERE'S A VACANCY IN THAT EMPLOYMENT? AND WHAT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S NO MANAGER ON DUTY THAT LIVES ON THE COMMUNITY?
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WHO WILL BE THERE TO ENFORCE THOSE QUIET HOURS? I KNOW THAT WILL THE CITY OF ABILENE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THOSE QUIET HOURS? AND I WOULD FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY WORK VERY HARD, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALWAYS BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND ENFORCE THOSE QUIET HOURS.WE HAVE COMPLETELY REMODELED IT, AND WE NEVER NEVER IMAGINED THIS HAPPENING.
AND I NEVER PLANNED ON LEAVING, BUT OF COURSE.
OOPS. BUT OF COURSE, LIVING ACROSS FROM 1000 NEW RESIDENTS WAS NOT IDEAL.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. COULD I ASK YOU? YOU MENTIONED YOU LIVED THERE TEN YEARS.
YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE HOME. I AM, YES, SIR.
CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS AT ON THE MAP? IT IS? YES. IT IS 13 77777, RIGHT BELOW THE RED BOX.
YES. YES, SIR. AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING? I AM, YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR TAKING OFF TO BE HERE.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? HI, MY NAME IS JAN PRICE AND I AM HERE TO SHOW YOU THAT I HAVE NINE OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT WERE ALL RESIDENTIAL SINGLE HOMES. I ALSO OWN THE RED AREA, BUT I HAVE 34 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET ALSO WHERE MY WHERE WE LIVE AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND AG AND WE. I THOUGHT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WAS AG BECAUSE IT HAD COWS THERE FOR 33 YEARS THAT I KNEW.
BUT ANYWAY WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY DEVALUATION OF THE RESIDENTS WERE LOST OF NEIGHBORS, CHARACTER, RESIDENTS FEELING A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT WILL FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER AND THE ESTHETICS THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING.
IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO OUR AGRICULTURE. WE WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL ECONOMY, GREEN SPACES AND QUALITY. I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY A WATER PROBLEM FROM HAMBY BECAUSE THE HAMBY IS DOWN ON PET CEMETERY ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT BY US ALSO, AND ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER.
AND THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. THEY'RE GOING TO THE 2300 RVS THAT ARE GOING UP THE ROAD ON ELMDALE.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING OUR WAY. PLUS YOU WANT TO PUT ANOTHER THOUSAND IN THERE.
WE HAVE 2300. AND THEY DON'T ALL GO TO 351. THEY COME DOWN OUR WAY TOO.
WE WOULD LIKE THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO BE DOWN TO 500 IF IT'S APPROVED.
WE DON'T WANT THIS VILLAGE TO EVER BECOME SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER ESTIMATING PUBLIC SERVICES, SEWERS, ALL THAT.
I TOLD YOU, WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE SEWERS ON OUR SIDE.
EMERGENCY SERVICE. IF THEY CAN GET THERE, IT GETS CUT OFF ALL THE TIME BY THE RAILROAD.
ON THE ONE SIDE. AND YOU CAN'T GET IN BUT ONE WAY.
IF THEY DO APPROVE IT, WHY WOULD IT NOT COME OFF 80 WHERE THERE'S MORE ROOM TO COME OFF OF IT, INSTEAD OF OUR LITTLE LESS THAN A HALF ACRE, LESS THAN A HALF A MILE OF ROAD? NOISE POLLUTION. WE HAVE SOME ALREADY, BUT DUST AND LIGHT AND POLLEN.
IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WE FEEL IT SHOULDN'T BE DEMAND.
WE SHOULDN'T. WE DEMAND THAT THERE SHOULD. IF IT GETS APPROVED, WE WOULD LIKE A BERM IN FRONT OF IT.
WE LIKE A WOODEN FENCE IN FRONT OF IT, SO WE CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING COMING AND GOING.
BECAUSE IF THESE ARE SINGLE HOME, THERE'S ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM.
IT'S NOT FOR FAMILIES, IT'S FOR WORKERS, WHICH I KNOW WE NEED THE WORKERS.
YOU CAN. YOU CAN FINISH. OKAY. IF YOU EVER. THE BURN BAND SIX.
OKAY. THE ROAD WOULD BE SAFER IF IT CAME OFF THE OTHER WAY.
I ALREADY SAID THAT, BUT I HAVE COPIES OF THIS ALSO FOR Y'ALL IF YOU WANT THEM.
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TEN FAMILIES THAT ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY AND I HAVE MY.WHERE CAN I TURN ALL THIS IN? OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN ON THIS CASE. WE WILL JUST BE ADDRESSING THE ZONING CHANGE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTIONS? I'M REALLY CURIOUS HOW WE HAVE SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, WHICH RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
BUT BUT IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THEIR USE. IT'S ZONED FOR THIS USE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE? YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS ZONING AT ALL.
I THINK THEY'RE ALL DOWN LOWER. RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE ALL THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S YOU KNOW, THESE ARE. YEAH. AND THE ONLY.
YEAH, EVEN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS CAN YOU GO TO THE WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE SLIDE. THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY RESIDENTIAL USAGE ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AT ALL. YEAH. THAT'S TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS IN PLACE ALREADY WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS OVERLAID.
OKAY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YEAR THAT WAS DONE.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY A BLANKET THING THAT THEY DID IN THE PAST, AND IT OVERLAID THAT AREA AS THEY SAW IT DEEMED AS PROBABLY GOING TO DEVELOP.
OKAY. MOBILE HOME AND MANUFACTURED BASICALLY.
ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD ZACH. JUST SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO AND ONLY ON THE CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THIS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
YES, I, I HAVE TO AGREE JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE IN WHAT WE SEE THE LAND USAGE GENERALLY YOU'D PREFER GENERAL COMMERCIAL NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY THAN THAN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE THE NEXT POINT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL THAN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS, WHICH IS WHY I PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE COMMERCIAL.
RIGHT. WELL, ANY MOTIONS JUST ON THIS MATTER AND THEN WE'LL TAKE UP THE CUP MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND MOTION IS TO APPROVE A SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO LET MR..
GARY HOLD A SECOND. SO ZACH WITH THE FIRST. GARY WITH THE SECOND.
MR.. STRASSER YES, MR.. HOUSE. YES, MISS CARTER.
YES. MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS. LEWIS. YES. MR..
SIDES. YES. AND MR. BENTON. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
TO APPLY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO A PROPERTY.
TO ALLOW AN RV PARK LOCATED AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD.
THE THIRD THE REPRESENTATIVE AGENT IS GORDON NORRIS WITH THIS IS A REQUEST TO APPLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN RV PARK AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE REZONED TO GENERAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROPERTY VIEWS. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP LEFT VACATION TRAVEL TRAILER PARK REQUIRES A CONDITION.
THIS IS THE PROVIDED CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ENVISIONING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION.
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THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING.GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND THE CONCEPT PLAN.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE THAN THE LAST ONE? OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FOR RV PARK. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO USE PROVIDE THE PARK MODEL RVS.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PERMANENT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLED BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE FOR MINIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY ARE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN REVIEW IN WHICH THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE ADDRESSED, AS WELL AS THE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT OF THE PARK.
ALSO BUFFERING FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY.
SO IF IT COULD BE SPECIFIED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT I MEAN, IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THEY DO MENTION ABOUT HAVING PROVIDING SOME KIND OF BUFFERING. SO A RELATIVELY GENERIC OF SOME GREEN HEDGE, DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC LAID OUT, AT LEAST IN THE PLAN THUS FAR. YES. THEY MENTION ABOUT PROVIDING 100 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE FROM THE ROAD.
FROM THE ROAD. IS THAT THREE 60 AROUND THE PROPERTY OR IS THAT JUST FROM.
IT'S JUST FROM PUBLIC. JUST FROM. OKAY. AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING GREEN AREAS, A WALKING PATH AND ENHANCEMENTS WITHIN THE PARK. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. THE VACATION TRAILER TRAVEL TRAILER PARK DESIGNATION.
DOES THEIR USE CASE FALL UNDER THAT? YES. WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? OF THE VACATION. YOU'RE GONNA EXCUSE ME? I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE FOR PERMANENT RESIDENTS.
NOT AS A VACATION TRAVEL TRAILER PARK. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO IF THAT STILL FALLS UNDER THAT.
YES, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN RENT THE PROPERTIES FOR THE SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM, AND THAT IS SPECIFIED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT IT CAN BE EITHER SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE THEY DO LIKE WEEKEND AND THEY HAVE IT JUST FOR THE WEEKEND, OR THEY CAN DO ALSO LONGER TERM RENTALS. OKAY.
SO IT'S UNDER THE VACATION PART. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? HELLO. MY NAME IS ERICA VREELAND, AND I LIVE AT 144, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACK.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PICTURES, I DO BELIEVE. SO I, AS A MOTHER, HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH A THOUSAND PLUS RESIDENTS TEMPORARILY MOVING IN UP TO 20 YEARS, WHICH TO ME IS MORE PERMANENT SITUATION THAN TEMPORARY.
I WORRY ABOUT CHILD PREDATORS. ARE THEY DOING BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT? I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO, BUT A THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN OUR TINY LITTLE COMMUNITY, WE MOVED OUT THERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE AWAY FROM BUSY CITY LIFE.
WE WANT THE TRANQUILITY THAT WE HAVE. WE WANT THE SHORT COMMUTE TO OUR SCHOOLS.
THAT JUST SEEMS I LIVE ON THE CORNER. I SEE ALL THE WRECKS THAT HAPPEN.
I'VE HAD THREE GO THROUGH MY PROPERTY. I HAVE HAD A TRUCK CAUGHT ON FIRE.
I MOVED HERE BECAUSE I LIKED THE FACT THAT I WAS AWAY FROM ALL THE CRAZINESS.
I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE'RE ON AN INTERSECTION. INTERSECTION? MY FAULT FOR BEING NAIVE.
BUT I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE THE DEPRECIATION OF OUR HOMES.
MY MY LANDS WENT UP OVER $52,000 IN LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT ADDING THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL MY HOME.
YOU KNOW THIS, IT CAUSES A HUGE DISRUPTION. WE THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT CONSTRUCTION.
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OR ALL THESE PEOPLE DRIVING BY? MY TEN YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.I'VE BEEN VERY OPEN WITH HER. SHE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SHE SAID, MOM, WELL, I'M IF IT'S IF IT'S FOR ONE PERSON, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE KIDS.
SHE THINKS ABOUT GROWN UPS. SHE THINKS ABOUT SAFETY.
SHE'S LOOKING AT, OKAY, THERE'S A DANGER POSSIBLY HAVING A THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE AROUND US THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEY WANT TO MAKE AN ENTRANCE OR AN EXIT, ONE IS CLOSER TO THE TRAIN TRACK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WRECKS HAPPEN BACK AND FORTH IN THAT TINY LITTLE HALF MILE? I MEAN, EVEN FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, OUR CARS, WHEN WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH, ARE ALMOST TOUCHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS DRIVEN OVER THERE.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE. YES, IT'S 40 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THEY'RE SPEEDING DOWN IT AT 60.
70. WE HAVE BUS STOPS. I HAVE A BUS STOP RIGHT AT MY MY HOME, AND THE BUS HAS TO STOP.
IT'S JUST DOES NOT SEEM VERY SAFE IN MY OPINION, ARE 12 MINUTE TO 15 MINUTE COMMUTE IS GOING TO GO UP QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY IN MY OPINION. SO THAT IS MY CONCERNS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? COURTNEY NORRIS. JUST ONCE AGAIN, LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED OR THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE INSIGHT ON ANOTHER ITEM THAT I'LL MENTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS WORTH MENTIONING FROM THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS. THE CITY LIMITS IS RIGHT THERE ON ELMDALE ROAD, SO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD WITH THE WATER AND SEWER QUESTION.
SO THE WATER AND SEWER FOR THIS PROPERTY WILL BE CITY OF ABILENE.
ALSO, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE DETENTION POND.
AS YOU ALL ARE ALL AWARE, THAT WILL BE GONE THROUGH.
CITY OF ABILENE PUBLIC WORKS THAT WILL ALL BE REVIEWED.
THERE WILL BE CITY SIPE PLAN FOR THIS. SO EVERYTHING WILL BE THROUGH THE CITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS IN MY MIND, ON THE CITY'S BEHALF OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION BASED ON THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.
AND YOU GOT A RETAINER POND KIND OF THERE ON THE.
BUT DURING THAT REVIEW PROCESS, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED, Y'ALL JUST REWORK THE DESIGN TO TO MAKE THAT TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF MR. COLEMAN'S WATER RUNOFF PROBLEMS AND DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WERE ADDRESSED THERE.
YES, I THINK GREG, THE DEVELOPER, HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF ALREADY BEGINNING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO HELP GET THEM SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO BE SATISFACTORY, BUT PROBABLY BETTER THAN WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE. SOME SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE INTO THEIR POND ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, LIKE HE MENTIONED. WE'LL BE ISOLATING IT TO ONE AREA AND THEN HOPEFULLY PIPING BELOW GROUND TO THEIR POND SO IT'S NOT RUNNING ABOVE GROUND KEEPING THEIR SITE DRIER. IT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE ON SITE, AND THAT ALSO GOES WITH THE BUFFER THAT HE MENTIONED FROM HIS PROPERTY ON THE WEST.
THAT POND AREA IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE CLOSEST UNIT TO THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE WILL BE ROUGHLY 250 FOOT.
AND ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THE BUFFER.
THE BUFFER WILL NOT ONLY BE ALONG ELMDALE, BUT THE UNITS.
THE BUFFER ALONG EACH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE AT LEAST 100 FOOT.
IS THE PLAN ALL THE WAY AROUND? YES, SIR. WAS IT Y'ALL'S DESIGN OR TXDOT THAT DIDN'T WANT Y'ALL GOING MORE TOWARDS I-20 BUT WANTED IT GOING TOWARDS ELMDALE? OR I CAN LET GREG SPEAK MORE ON THAT BECAUSE HE'S HE'S TALKED WITH THE OWNER, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE PARCELS. SO THAT TRIANGLE UP ABOVE THAT'S ALONG I-20 FRONTAGE IS NOT WHERE THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE.
OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FROM WHAT FROM WHERE WE BEGAN WAS IT WAS THIS PROPERTY ALONE.
THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO I-20. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. I'VE YOU KNOW, AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I, I DON'T THINK WE, AS A COMMISSION WOULD EVER APPROVE RESIDENTIAL INSIDE OF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SURROUNDING AREA. THERE'S NOT RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE NEAR THIS SITE.
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THE IN THE REALITY THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY EXTREME DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THE.YEAH, FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. I THINK THAT MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR GREG.
LIKE I SAID, HE'S HE'S BEEN IN MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
AND ALSO HE HAS MORE DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING ON THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO WORK ON THESE PROJECTS AND KIND OF WHAT THE THE MINIMUM STANDARD IS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, HE'S HE'S EVERYTHING I'VE WORKED WITH ON GREG HAS BEEN VERY OPEN TO US.
NOTHING'S COMING IN HERE TRYING TO SWINDLE AND DO THE BARE MINIMUM.
IT ALL SEEMS TO BE TRYING TO NOT ONLY DO EVERYTHING TO THE MINIMUM, BUT IMPROVE THE SAME AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH RENNTECH IMPROVE THE SITUATION THAT'S THERE EXISTING. SO NOT LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AROUND THERE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP.
TO ME, THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING OF LIKE, WELL, IF YOU CAN'T PUT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT HERE, WHERE COULD YOU EVER PUT IT? LIKE IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT IT NEAR I-20, NEAR.
BUT THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO EFFECT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ALL AROUND.
BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS LARGE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND IF WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING WOULD IMPACT THEM. BUT FROM A PROJECT STANDPOINT, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY COULD BE FOUND TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
LIKE GREG SAID, HIM AND HIS TEAM DID A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR A PROPERTY THAT KIND OF FIT.
SORT OF LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHAT SEEMED TO BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR IT.
I KNOW THAT THEY DID A LOT OF LEGWORK ON THAT END, SO HE CAN TOUCH ON THAT SOME MORE. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE NOTES? IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT REMOVING THE SUBSURFACE UTILITIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF THAT WAS REQUIRED AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE LEASE, WHAT IS THAT DESCRIBING? SO THAT I CAN LET GREG TOUCH ON THAT AS WELL.
BUT I THINK BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT IN THEIR OWN INTERNAL SEWER FACILITIES THAT WILL LEAD TO AND CONNECT TO THE CITY OF ABILENE, I BELIEVE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. CITY OF ABILENE HAS A SEWER LINE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT IF THAT NOTE WAS IN THERE AND THE CONDITIONAL USE AND PLAN OF OPERATION, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE GREG SAID, ONCE THIS IS DONE AND THERE'S NO MORE RESIDENTS AND THOSE UNITS ARE PULLED OUT, IF THAT PIPE NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND SO THAT IT CAN BE SOLD BACK TO SOMEBODY TO TO USE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, NOT JUST LEAVING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GROUND FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO WORRY ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE POTENTIALLY ENHANCING THE VALUE AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, OR IS IT JUST VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS TYPE OF THING? SO ON THE WEST END WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW MANHOLE ON THAT SEWER LINE WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING, IF THAT WAS AVAILABLE, AND THEN ALSO HAVING THAT POND THAT WOULD ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE REMAINING 80% OF THAT PROPERTY ALREADY BEING FULLY DEVELOPED WITH A HIGHER RUNOFF VALUE. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME IN WITH A GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BUILD UPON THERE'S ALREADY A POND THERE THAT'S BUILT FOR THIS SITE TO BE INCREASED RUNOFF, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A SEWER CONNECTION THAT YOU COULD THEY COULD GET THEIR NEW SEWER TO THAT MANHOLE AND IT WOULD WORK.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER.
AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN GREG CAME IN HIS PLAN WAS TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS TO, TO CONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT. AND HE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY AND EVERYONE THAT NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, AS FAR AS LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HELP WITH GUIDING US TO LOCATIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK AFTER SEVERAL HITS AND MISSES ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND WE WERE WE WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND FROM THE TRAFFIC LOGISTICS GETTING FROM HERE ACROSS THE THE HIGHWAY AND THEN UP TO 351 TO WHERE THE PROJECT IS OR, OR ON ELMDALE. BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST PLACES THAT WE HAD FOUND THAT TO THE PROJECT SITE.
AND SO FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT WOULD BE RESIDING IN THIS THE UPPER MANAGEMENT AND MOST MOSTLY WHITE COLLAR WORKERS THAT WILL BE FLYING IN AND STAYING AND THEN GOING BACK HOME.
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BUT THE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE AND THE BUFFERS AROUND THE PROPERTY ONE BEING WE COULDN'T ACCESS THE FREEWAY LIKE COREY WAS MENTIONING ON THE TOP BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE OWNER.SO WHEN IT IS GIVEN BACK TO THE OWNER AND THE PROJECT IS IS NOT REQUIRING THIS RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ANYMORE, THEY THE PLAN WOULD BE AT THE AT THE OWNER'S REQUEST TO REMOVE ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, ALL THE VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT PROPERTY OFF OFF SITE. WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE OWNERS OF THE TO THE WEST OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEY HAD THE PACKET THAT GREG AND HIS GROUP PRODUCED TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS AND ALL THE SETBACKS.
AND, AND WE SPOKE WITH MARK COLEMAN, PRESIDENT WITH RENTECH ABOUT HOW THE WATER FLOW IS FROM EAST TO WEST AND ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY AND DEFINITELY WANT TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE AND UNDERSTAND THAT PER THE CITY REQUIREMENT, ANY, ANY FLOW OF WATER ACROSS THAT PROPERTY NOW WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO INCREASE.
SO USING BARRIERS AND PIPING TO MOVE THAT WATER ALONG OR RETAIN IT UNTIL IT'S DOWN TO THE PERMITTED AMOUNT OF FLOW WOULD BE, WOULD BE USED.
SO, SO BECAUSE OF THE LEASE STRUCTURE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BE LIMITED JUST TO THIS OWNER AND OPERATOR, OR COULD JUST TO THIS OWNER AND OPERATOR. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE CITY CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT IF I'M WRONG.
BUT THIS CUP IS JUST FOR THIS PROJECT. ANYBODY WANTING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET ANOTHER CUP TO EITHER CONTINUE OR DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. COULD IT BE ASSIGNED? COULD IT BE WHAT LIKE ASSIGNED? LIKE COULD I SUBLEASE IT, LIKE LEGALLY, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MORE OF A KELLY QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA THROW IT ON THE SPOT. LIKE, ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS IN IT IN THE LEASE OF, OF ITS ABILITY TO BE ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER SUBLEASE HOLDER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT THERE. THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER.
SO BUT NOT NOT IN THE CUP LANGUAGE. THERE'S NOT THAT LANGUAGE.
THERE'S A THERE ARE A LIST OF POTENTIAL CONDITIONS, THE TYPE OF CONDITIONS YOU COULD ADD IN A CUP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN.
I CAN LOOK IT UP AND SEE IF THAT'S. THIS IS JUST UNIQUE CONDITIONS.
DO WHAT? THIS IS JUST UNIQUE. SO JUST INTERESTED.
IT IS. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION OKAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN.
HELLO. SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS ALICIA MOORE. AT 1149 ELMDALE ROAD.
AND AGAIN, MY HOUSE IS 1377 SEVEN ON THIS ZONING MAP, AND MY HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1941.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HOUSE AS LONG AS WELL, SINCE 1941.
AND SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT I KEEP HEARING THAT THIS IS SHORT TERM.
IT'S A SHORT LEASE, AND THEN AFTER THE LEASE IS OVER, THEN SOMEBODY ELSE CAN TAKE IT OVER.
BUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THEMSELVES IF I'M HEARING THAT CORRECTLY.
BUT ON THE SLIDESHOW ON THE CITY OF ABILENE AGENDA, THERE'S A PRESENTATION FROM THIS COMPANY.
IT'S THE COTTAGES AT THE FRONTIER WHERE THEY CREATED A PRESENTATION.
AND SO I KEEP HEARING SHORT TERM AND TWO YEARS IS SHORT TERM TO ME, IN MY OPINION.
BUT I DO REMEMBER SEEING THAT ON THAT SLIDE SHOW THAT THESE COULD BE HERE FOR 20 YEARS.
AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER ZONE AND THE NOISE REGULATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT CREATING A PICKLEBALL COURT, A MILE WALKING TRAIL, AND THEN, I BELIEVE A TENNIS COURT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS FOR RECREATIONAL USE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AND MY CONCERN IS, IS IF THIS IS TRULY FOR JUST HOUSING THESE WORKERS THAT ARE FOR THIS AI PLANT, WHY DO WE NEED ALL THESE EXTRA LITTLE RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL COMMODITIES THAT MAY INCREASE NOISE AND
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I GUESS LACK OF PEACE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S IT.THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN TOLD I MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE CRY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. MARK COLEMAN AGAIN, PRESIDENT OF RENTECH.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IS IT BECOMING SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT FLEXIBILITY THE COMMISSION HAS OR THE COUNCIL HAS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT OUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, IS THAT IF THE MISSION OF THIS PLACE CHANGES, IF THE, THE THE DEVELOPER CHANGES IF IT'S SOLD THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A WHOLESALE, YOU KNOW, RV PARK THAT HAS PEOPLE COMING AND GOING AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND ALL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
SO THAT'S OUR ONLY CONCERN WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN DO ON THAT SIDE, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, I HAVE. AN ANSWER UNDER THE SECTION ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
CONDITIONS MAY INCLUDE LIMITATION OF SIZE AND HEIGHT, INCREASED OPEN SPACE, LIMITATION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, CURBING, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, VEHICULAR ACCESS, PARKING IMPROVEMENTS, BUFFER YARDS, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE RESTRICTIONS AND DESIGN, MAINTENANCE OF BUILDINGS AND OUTDOOR AREAS AND DURATION OF THE PERMIT, THE DURATION OF PERMIT AND HOURS AND OF OPERATION.
IT'S MORE HAVING TO DO WITH SITE DEVELOPMENT BUFFERING AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.
GREG, AGAIN THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT I THINK I CAN ADDRESS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE MAYBE MISUNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT, BUT I TRIED TO MAKE SOME NOTES AS, AS WE WERE HEARING SOME OF THE CONCERNS SO I COULD ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
SO FORGIVE ME IF I SKIP AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT IN THAT PROCESS.
I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT I COVER EACH PERSON'S CONCERNS THAT'S ALREADY SPOKE AS IT RELATES TO THE TERM AND, AND THE LEASE EXPLANATION OR THE GROUND LEASE.
SO IN OUR PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TODAY WITH THE LANDOWNER IS A MINIMUM FIVE YEAR GROUND LEASE WITH THREE FIVE YEAR EXTENSIONS, WHICH GIVES US UP TO 20 YEARS ON THE GROUND LEASE.
THERE'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LEASE OF THE UNITS, LEASE OF THE UNITS THEMSELVES TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT THE PLANT ARE A MINIMUM 30 DAY, BASICALLY A ROLLING 30 DAY PROCESS. WE SURELY EXPECT THE INITIAL FOLKS THAT ARE IN TO BE MORE RELATED TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S BUILDING IT, THE EPC, THEY'RE TRADE PARTNERS AND THEIR EXECUTIVES, THEIR LEADERSHIP, THEIR STAFF, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE TRANSITION TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PLANT, WHICH IS VANTAGE DATA CENTERS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEIR CLIENTS, WHICH IS PART OF THE STARGATE SYSTEM NOW, ETC.. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE A TRANSITION OF FOLKS AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
RIGHT? SO THESE GUYS ARE COMING HERE RELOCATING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTRY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, CREATE A SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC BOOM. AND TO ABILENE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.
AND CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING GIVING THEM SOME, SOME OUTLETS, IF YOU WILL, RECREATION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A CITY WOULD FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS AND PARKS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO US.
HOWEVER, WE SURELY RESPECT THE IDEA OF CONTROL AND SECURITY AND QUIET HOURS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO YOU KNOW, ANY POSSIBILITY OF IT NOT BEING STAFFED IS IS EXTREMELY REMOTE.
WE ALSO EMPLOY SECURITY. PRIVATE SECURITY IN THE CASE OF, OF THIS LOCAL AREA.
OUR PLAN IS TO WORK THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS SYSTEM OF OFF DUTY OFFICERS.
WE ARE ALSO THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OF THE LARGE RV PARK OUT IN THE AREA.
SO WE ARE THE SAME PERSONS WE ALREADY ARE EMPLOYING THAT THERE FOR NIGHT TIME HOURS AS IT RELATES TO SECURITY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING OUR, OUR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEHAVING AS THEY SHOULD.
SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US AS WELL.
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WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMPARED TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THOSE THINGS, CLEARLY, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS WITHOUT A TYPICAL NATURE OF OF THE RV STYLE OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT WITH TRAILERS.AND AND I FEEL THAT SAME PRESSURE ALL OVER ABILENE NOT JUST ON ELMDALE.
A AS IT RELATES TO THE THE BUFFER, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT.
SORRY. BEFORE I GET BACK TO THAT, YOU HAD ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE RVS AND HOW THEY FALL UNDER.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY CERTIFIED UNDER RV, WHICH IS AN RV CERTIFICATION.
SO THEY QUALIFY UNDER THAT GUISE OF A WHAT'S DEFINED TO BE IN AN RV PARK.
AND IT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T CREATE THE ZONING OR THE, THE PIECES, BUT FROM A DEFINITION STANDPOINT, WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN AND OF THE CITY.
THE BUFFER WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE POND'S GOING TO BE SOME 250FT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY NICE BERM ON THAT SIDE.
WE INTENTIONALLY REDUCED ALL THE UNITS TOWARDS ELMDALE AND TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE WHICH IS GOING TO BE GATED, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A FENCE GOING TO HAVE AN ENORMOUS BUFFER.
IT'S CURRENTLY TREED ON ALL SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE WILL LEAVE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT NATURAL SCREEN EXIST WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS SOME 400FT OFF OF ELMDALE. SO YOU'LL COME IN OUR MAIN ROAD, COMING IN TOWARDS OUR OFFICE AREA.
THAT'S NEARLY 400FT. BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE THE OFFICE AREA IS AND WHERE OUR SECURITY SECURE GATES ARE, WE USE LICENSE PLATE READERS. ALL THOSE THINGS IN OUR PARK AS WELL.
IS THAT BACK ENTRANCE AN ENTRANCE, OR IS THAT.
IT'S AN EXIT ONLY AND AN EMERGENCY EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT.
YES, SIR. YES, SIR. JUST CHECKING. YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGE, WE SUPPORT LARGE RURAL PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR THESE PARTICULAR COMPANIES THEY SELECT US BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CANNIBALIZE OR UNDERCUT THAT PROCESS.
AND ACTUALLY, IN THIS CASE, THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO RENT FOR $1,800 A MONTH.
PRETTY STAGGERING NUMBER. BUT WITH SOME OF THESE GUYS ARE MAKING AND WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD. AND A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT ALSO IS TO TAKE A LOT OF THE PRESSURE OFF THE LOCAL HOUSING STOCK FOR THE STUDENTS, FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE MILITARY, THAT THAT'S GETTING COMPRESSED BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE PILING FOUR AND FIVE GUYS IN ONE HOUSE WILLING TO PAY $5,000 A MONTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHERE. AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND WE MET WITH MANY LOCAL COMMUNITY LEADERS TO SAY, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE IT.
WE KNOW WE NEED CITY UTILITIES. WHAT IS OUR BEST OPTION? AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH PIECE OF PROPERTY WE HAD UNDER CONTRACT AND FINALLY GOT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, IT IS OUR BEST OPTION FOR ACCESS, OUR BEST OPTION FOR UTILITIES TO BE ABLE TO BUFFER IT WITH A FULLY TREED SITE ALREADY.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK I'VE COVERED MOST EVERYTHING.
FINALLY, THE BLACK BARONS SERVICE STATION THAT'S IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
AS STATED, WE DO NOT HAVE A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS HIGHWAY 80.
BUT THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE WITH THE LANDOWNER IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A HISTORIC RESTORATION OF THAT PROPERTY AND JUST KEEP IT AS A HISTORICAL MARKER INSTEAD OF THE BLIGHT THAT IT'S IN TODAY. SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE PIECE OF IMPACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AND HOPEFULLY BE A BENEFIT TO THAT AREA.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY I HIT MOST OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
THANK YOU. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AND OKAY THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE ON THIS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? JAN PRICE, 1125 ELMDALE ROAD AND 1181. I'M SURPRISED THAT WHEN THEY SHOWED THE PICTURES, IT DID NOT SHOW ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S. ALISHA'S HOUSE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT.
MY 34 ACRES. YEAH, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT. IT'S DOWN.
THERE'S THERE'S TWO RESIDENTIALS ON THOSE PICTURES.
YEAH, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE AT THE BOTTOM. AND THE ONE ON THE UPPER RIGHT.
THE UPPER RIGHT IS MINE. YEAH. IS THAT YOURS? FROM THE BACK? FROM THE SIDE. OKAY. MY HOUSE HAS GOT 34 ACRES AND IT'S AG.
I GOT APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY. I WENT THROUGH THE CITY TO BUILD THE HOUSE IN 1994.
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IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT. PROBABLY TOO FAR OFF THE PROPERTY.THEY CAN GET A GOOD. WELL, THE DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONTAGE IS RIGHT THERE.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THIS HERE. THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT IT HERE.
YOU SAY THAT THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL DRIVE OUT THERE.
AND LOOK, THE RESIDENTIAL IS THERE. I HAVE COWS.
ALICIA HAS PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, SHE HAS CHICKENS.
OTHERS HAVE ALL KINDS OF STUFF. AND THE WATER IS A BIG ISSUE.
I KNOW WATER IS FURNISHING THE 2300 RVS UP THE STREET.
THAT'S RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THAT COMING, AND IT'S ALREADY A MESS.
I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD.
AND WE DON'T MIND THAT. BUT MY DAUGHTER WORKS A STARGATE.
IT'S A MESS OUT THERE. SHE FINDS PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND TO STAY.
BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THE KIND OF THING THEY WANT.
THEY WANT SOMETHING PLUSHER THEY WANT WHERE THEY CAN WALK DOWN, GET THEIR COFFEE, THEIR FOOD, THEIR STUFF. SOMEBODY DOES THEIR LAUNDRY, THEY DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
NOT THAT THERE'S NOT. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT LARGE PIECE OF LAND IS ALL.
AT LEAST WHEN YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP IS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO I WAS NOT SAYING OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE HOMES THERE.
AND SO THAT, THAT THAT'S ALL I WAS REFERENCING. I KNOW, I KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, MINE DOESN'T SHOW AG I'M 13 FOR 28 RIGHT THERE.
YES. I'M 5262. OH. AND IT DOESN'T SHOW ME AG.
IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYWAY. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS? YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THE ANSWERS OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE.
YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY.
ERICA FREELAND THEY TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE STATS OR HOW MANY WRECKS AND STUFF HAVE HAPPENED AND ADDING THE THOUSAND PEOPLE, IF IT'S GOING TO ADD, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO POSSIBLY ADD TO THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD LIKE I SAID, THE TRUCK HITTING INTO MY HALFWAY INTO MY YARD, CATCHING MY WHOLE THING, HALF OF MY YARD ON FIRE, TAKING THE AMBULANCE FOREVER TO GET HERE, A THOUSAND RESIDENTS, I THINK ABOUT HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE? YOU KNOW, I'M RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE RAILROAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF FIRE ISSUES. THERE'S A LOT OF WRECK ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO MY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THEY TALK ABOUT, WELL, IT'S RIGHT HERE BY THE INTERSECTION, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BY THE INTERSECTION, BUT THAT IS GOING TO ADD TO THE TRAFFIC SO MUCH THAT YOU'VE GOT FM 18 AND YOU'VE GOT HIGHWAY 80. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE GOING BOTH WAYS.
AND THEN YOU WANT TO ADD ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE TEMPORARILY HERE.
HAVE THEY LOOKED AT CRASH REPORTS? HAVE THEY LOOKED TO SEE HOW MANY HAVE HOW MANY WRECKS WE'VE HAD? I MEAN, I HAVE I HAVE SEEN I KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN FATALITIES BECAUSE I WAS ONE RUNNING OUT TO THE CAR TRYING TO HELP THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CAR OR CALLING THE COPS.
I HAVE MADE THESE PERSONAL PHONE CALLS. I HAVE SEEN THE WRECKS FIRSTHAND.
SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, OH, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE YOUR EVERYDAY TRAFFIC, MAYBE TO THEM THAT IS EVERYDAY TRAFFIC, BUT TO US, EVERYDAY TRAFFIC, WHEN WE ALREADY THERE'S NO STOPLIGHTS, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS TO STOP PEOPLE AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THERE'S AN INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE. YOU NEED A YOU NEED A STOP.
YEAH, THERE'S A STOP SIGN. YOU THINK PEOPLE ACTUALLY WATCH? LOOK AT STOP SIGNS. GO ON. NOT NOT HERE IN ABILENE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE WE WE ARE ASKED TO LOOK AT LAND USE AND THAT WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE, IF THAT LAND USE THEN IMPACTS TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THEN THAT'S WHERE EITHER THE CITY OF ABILENE OR TXDOT, DEPENDING ON WHO'S MANAGING THAT ROAD, GOES IN AND WILL ADD STOPLIGHTS OR DIFFERENT THINGS, OR REQUIRE A ROAD TO BE EXPANDED OR REQUIRE ON RAMPS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO JUST THE ZONING CASES AND THE CONDITIONAL USE, WE'RE REALLY TASKED WITH JUST IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS LAND AT THIS TIME? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. NO, I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM WHAT? YEAH. BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE EVERY WEEK WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE BE LIKE, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC. AND I'M LIKE, I TOTALLY GET IT. I TOTALLY GET THAT YOU WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC. HOWEVER THE APPROPRIATE IS, AS IT'S BEING DEVELOPED WITH THE ENGINEERS OR DIFFERENT THINGS, THEY MAY REALIZE WE NEED TO ADD AN EXTRA LANE TO THIS ROAD.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE CITY OR TXDOT OR WHOEVER THAT MAY BE.
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ARE THEY WILLING TO MOVE THAT NUMBER DOWN OR IS IT.NO, THEY WANT 1000 AND THAT'S THAT. OR ARE THEY WILLING TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'LL DO 500 OR 600? IT'S STILL IT STILL HELPS THEM ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHING, JUST NOT AS SUCH A LARGE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.
THAT THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION ON ON THAT FOR FOR ZONING THAT AND I'LL TELL YOU AS PART OF ALSO THEIR ENGINEERING PLANS, THEY MAY FIND OUT THAT THEY NEED A LARGER RETENTION POND AND THAT COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND I THINK AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING, THERE'S PART OF THAT THAT COULD BE FLUID.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ALTRUISTICALLY WILLING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE MAY BE THINGS JUST FROM A BUFFER STANDPOINT, OR WHEN THEY GET INTO THAT LAND AND REALIZE WHAT CAN GO WHERE THAT THAT COULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS WELL. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, I CERTAINLY EMPATHIZE WITH THE RESIDENCES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND ZONING THAT WE HAD WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS PACKET, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
I WOULDN'T HAVE ANTICIPATED IT AT ALL. IN FACT ALL THAT TO SAY.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER THE RESIDENCES IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THE ZONING IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHEN WE DO VOTE ON THIS, IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL BE INCLUDING THE PLAN OF OPERATIONS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND IT DOES ALLOW SUBSEQUENT OPERATIONS UP TO 20 YEARS IN TOTALITY.
SO WE ARE APPROVING WHAT IS POTENTIALLY LONG TERM BIG PROJECT.
SO I HONESTLY WRESTLE WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
AND I THINK I'D HOPE TO SEE SOME REZONING OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE FUTURE THAT THAT MIGHT HELP CLEAN SOME OF THIS ISSUE UP.
I TELL EVERYBODY IT'S HERE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST.
PLANNING AND ZONING IS REALLY AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE THE FINAL DECISIONS WILL BE MADE.
THEY'LL HAVE TWO READINGS OF IT. IF WE WERE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS ITEM TODAY, THE OTHER SIDE COULD APPEAL AND STILL TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL IF WE WERE TO VOTE FOR THIS ITEM TODAY. Y'ALL CAN STILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND OBJECT TO IT AT THAT POINT WHERE THE FINAL DECISIONS WILL BE MADE.
AND SO WE ARE REALLY JUST HERE AS SEVEN VOLUNTEER CITIZENS TO ASSESS AND THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND THINK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THINK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING OUR COMMUNITY AS THESE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES COME, BUT ALSO OPPORTUNITIES COME WITH CHALLENGES.
AND SO JUST I WOULD I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE WOMAN WHO CAME WITH THE NINE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM COME TO CITY COUNCIL IF IT WAS TO PROCEED, BECAUSE AGAIN, EITHER WAY, IT WILL MOVE. IT WILL MOVE TOWARDS THAT NEXT STEP, NO MATTER WHAT DECISION IS MADE HERE TODAY.
SO I. THIS YEAR, I GET TO BE THE CHAIR OF THE CHAMBER. AND SO I'M ON ALL THESE RANDOM BOARDS, AND ONE OF THEM I'M ON IS THE VISITOR'S BUREAU.
AND TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH HOTELS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH HOUSING AND ALL THE DIFFERENT STUFF THAT WE GET TO DO WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
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TO ME, A DEVELOPER ACTING IN GOOD FAITH AND WANTING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS TO SERVE A CAUSE, AND THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE FOR THAT TO NOT JUST BE A PLIGHT THAT'S LEFT IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF STUFF WE HAVE TO BE KIND OF LOOKING FOR.AND BECAUSE I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, ABANDONED RV PARKS ALL AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M EXCITED FOR THE JOBS. I'M EXCITED FOR THE POPULATION GROWTH. HOWEVER, THE TEMPORARY CHALLENGES OF THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS, EVEN WITH THE GROWTH HAPPENING IN DALLAS, DYESS AIR FORCE BASE, OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE JUST HAVE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO ANSWER THOSE TEMPORARY AND LONGER TERM HOUSING NEEDS. AND TO ME, THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO TRY TO DO THAT IN A PLACE THAT, AT LEAST FROM THE ZONING MAP, MAKES SENSE. IF I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, IT WOULD DRIVE ME CRAZY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO I'M WITH KEVIN. I WOULD BE PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE LESS RELUCTANTLY.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE I, I THINK ABOUT THE, THE CHALLENGES FACING EVERYTHING.
YES, SIR. WITH RESPECT TO THE CUP, IF IT WAS A FIVE YEAR PROJECT, I 100% AGREE.
BUT IF IT DOES EXTEND TO 20 YEAR, THAT COULD BE.
THAT'S NOT SHORT TERM. I KNOW THE 20 YEARS IS THE BIG HANG UP FOR ME, HONESTLY.
THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH BRAD. THIS AS A TEMPORARY ESTABLISHMENT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT 20 YEARS IN THE PLAN OF OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, INCLUDING, IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
BUT I THINK, LIKE, AS IT SAYS IN THERE, LIKE FIVE, TEN, 15 OR 20 YEARS, I MEAN, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE, OBVIOUSLY NOT ON PART OF ANYBODY ELSE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS THERE IF THERE'S NOT STILL A NEED FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, IF THERE'S STILL NOT DEMAND. I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE ECONOMICALLY ANYWAY, BUSINESS WISE.
LIKE IF IN TEN YEARS THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THAT, BASED OFF THE CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION IN TOWN, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE OPERATION.
WELL, I THINK I MEAN, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD A FIVE YEAR GOING TO A TEN OR A 15 OR A 20 YEAR EXTENSION? WHAT WOULD CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW. WELL, WE STARTED WITH LIKE 1 OR 2 DATA CENTERS AND NOW WE'RE WE'RE EXPANDING TO MORE AND MORE.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THIS HUGE INFLUX.
SO THERE'S JUST GOT TO BE THAT. AND THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO ME SOMETHING COMING INTO ABILENE BORN, RAISED FOURTH GENERATION HERE. I, I KNOW THAT I'M WITH BRAD ON.
AND I DON'T WANT ANY MORE RV PARKS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE LEFT THERE WHEN EVERYBODY DOES LEAVE.
BUT AS THINGS DO CONTINUE TO GROW, WHICH WE ARE IN THAT REALM OF MOVING THINGS FORWARD ON GROWTH, THEN I DO THINK THAT WE NEED I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE THEY'RE WILLING TO COME IN, PUT IT IN AND PULL IT ALL OUT AND TAKE IT WITH THEM AND LEAVE IT BACK WHERE IT WAS, WHEREAS THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING BEFORE, IF NOT IMPROVED, IF NOT IMPROVED. RIGHT. HAVING THE DETENTION WHERE IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HELP IN THE FUTURE IF NO MATTER WHAT COMES IN.
SO I AGAIN, WOULD I WANT TO LIVE ACROSS FROM IT? I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT A LOT OF US ARE NOT REALLY IN IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN DECIDE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IN 30 YEARS, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS TO STAY OPEN.
BUT THAT'S MY OPINION JUST FINE. I WOULD SAY IN 20 YEARS YOU COULD EASILY CLEAR THIS PROPERTY AND ANOTHER DEVELOPER COULD COME IN AND PUT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS PLACE.
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YEAH. JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IMPROVED TO THAT POINT.OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, I'M ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST APPROACHES TO OUR TRANSIENT WORKFORCE RIGHT NOW. I THINK YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND ABILENE RIGHT NOW AND SEE WHERE WE HAD AN INFLUX OF, OF NEEDS FOR RESIDENTIALS THAT WERE QUICKLY ERECTED.
AND THEN WE NOW ARE VERY DILAPIDATED NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST ABANDONED OR NOT.
NOT WELL MAINTAINED. THESE TEMPORARY DEALS ALLOW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITHOUT THE PERMANENT STRUCTURES. SO THIS IS SMART IN MY OPINION. I AGREE, AND I GET THE THE THE FEAR OF THE FIVE, TEN, 20 YEAR STRETCH TYSON. BUT TO ME, THAT THAT IS THEM BUILDING INTO THEIR AGREEMENT, THE UNCERTAINTY OF HOW BIG AND HOW LONG WILL THIS PROJECT LAST OF THEM JUST WANTING TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY OF SAYING, HEY, IF IT'S DONE IN FIVE YEARS, WE'RE OUT OF HERE IN FIVE. IF IT'S DONE IN TEN, WE'RE OUT OF HERE IN TEN. BUT IF IT KEEPS GROWING, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT TO ME MAKES SENSE FROM A PLANNING AHEAD STANDPOINT.
SO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY MOTIONS? AGAIN, WE NEVER HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS.
WE CAN APPROVE. WE CAN DENY, WE CAN PUSH FORWARD.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SUBJECT TO THE PLAN. SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION? YES. JUST AS JUST AS RECOMMENDED. SUBJECT AND CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THE CONCEPT. PLAN AND SHAWNTE' YOU SECOND.
YES. MR. STRASSER? YES, MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS LEWIS? I MEAN, MISS KIGER. YES, MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS LEWIS.
YES. MR. SYKES? YES. AND MR. BENTON. BENHAM. YES.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY ON THIS MATTER.
AGAIN, PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONCERNS TO COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE IT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. ZONING CASE 20 2545. RECEIVE A REPORT OF DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE AN ACTION TO REQUEST FROM OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING LOCATED AT 3557 FM 1750 KIRA.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KIRA. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY.
TODAY I'M REPRESENTING CASE Z 20 2545. THE AGENT IS CHRISTOPHER HART.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURE OPEN TO RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY. LOCATED AT 3557 FM 1750. HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP.
THE ZONING MAP. HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SOME VIEWS OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY. THE PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURE.
OPEN. PERMITTED USES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT IN A 200 FOOT BUFFER.
THREE WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN A 37.59% IN OPPOSITION.
THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES IN ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON THE OBJECTIONS? THEY'RE CONCERNED. A LOT OF THEM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE.
BEING TOO CROWDED. CONCERNING ABOUT RENTAL PROPERTY IS THE MAIN CONCERNS.
AND THIS ONE GOES LIKE WHAT WE JUST HAD. THIS ONE GOES WITH THE CUP OF THE NEXT ONE.
YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIRA? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS ONE.
THIS ONE IS JUST LOOKING AT SHOULD THIS LAND BE TURNED FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO RESIDENTIAL.
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SEE, NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. TO ME, IF THIS WAS TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD EVEN BE OBJECTIONS.SO IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS.
MOTION TO APPROVE, KEVIN. WITH A MOTION. I'LL SECOND THAT.
KRISTEN WITH A SECOND. MR. STRASSER? YES, MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS. YES, MR.. HALLIBURTON? YES, MISS.
RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO APPLY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO A PROPERTY TO ALLOW DUPLEXES IN A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ARE ZONING. LOCATED AT 3557 FM 1750.
KIRA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KIRA VALOIS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE CITY. TODAY I'M REPRESENTING KCP 20 2519.
THE AGENT IS CHRISTOPHER HART. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING LOCATED AT 3557 FM 1750. HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP.
VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
VIEWS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN? HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SAME OBJECTIONS.
YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KYRA? I DON'T SEE ANY DRIVES OR PARKING ADDRESSED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
WHAT IS THE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE FLOWING INTO THESE? IT'LL BE OFF THE PARTIZAN. HE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN THROUGH PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WILL HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS ADDRESSED. MORE DETAIL.
WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE RECENTLY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING REPLANTED TO ALLOW THIS.
YES, SIR. IS IT THE SAME DEVELOPER WHO OWNS THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE CORNER THERE? THE EXISTING HOUSE? YES. HE WANTS TO KEEP THE.
OKAY. DRIVEWAY IS STRAIGHT OFF ONTO HARDISON.
YEAH. THIS HAS REALLY NO IMPACT TRAFFIC WISE ON ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THE UP 2025 DASH 19? I'M CHRISTOPHER HART. I'M THE OWNER OF IT. YES.
DRIVEWAYS WOULD WOULD COME OFF? HARDISON. THAT'S A PRETTY RUDIMENTARY CONCEPT DESIGN.
I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT. I KIND OF NEED THE APPROVAL OF THIS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE REPLATTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING KIND OF PUT TOGETHER.
THE LOTS WOULD ALL BE 60 FOOT WIDE, 170 FOOT DEEP.
FALLS WITHIN THE CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S FLIPPED. NOTHING BACK THERE.
TO THE TO THE SOUTH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS CHRIS.
SORRY. YES, SIR. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRIS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU BET. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, I THINK EVERYTHING FACING THAT ROAD SHOULD BE ALLEVIATED.
SO HE BEAT YOU TO IT? NO WONDER I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO IT.
IT'S FUNNY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MOTIONS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
MOTION. SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. YES. ALL RIGHT, KEVIN, WITH THE FIRST SHAWNTE'.
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YOU WANT A SECOND? SURE. ALL RIGHT. MR. SPENCER? YES. MR. HOUSE? YES. YES. MR. HALLIBURTON. YES.MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SYKES? YES. AND MR. BINGHAM.
YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
ZONING CASE 20 2546, RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE APPROXIMATELY 0.74 ACRES FROM MOBILE MANUFACTURED HOME TO MULTIFAMILY ZONING. LOCATED AT 317 NICE ROAD.
ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON ONCE AGAIN. ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.
THIS IS CASE 20 2546, OWNED BY HIT VENTURES, LLC.
HERE IS THE ZONING MAP CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE ETJ EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN.
JUST SOUTH OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE WE HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY, THERE EXISTS A MOBILE MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE PROPERTY WITH SOME MORE JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE NORTH IN THE ETJ. HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN MOBILE MANUFACTURED HOME ZONING.
HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS. WE WE RECEIVED NONE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST.
STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONINGS GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO IN THE APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO EITHER DO A DUPLEX OR QUADPLEX, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WHAT A. I GUESS THIS SAVES THE STEP BY GOING ALL THE WAY TO MULTIFAMILY, RATHER THAN GOING TO SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN DOING A CONDITIONAL USE.
CORRECT. SO JUST TRYING TO SAVE THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY AS PART OF THE THE MF DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR A TRIPLEX OR A QUADPLEX WITHIN THIS PROPERTY. I THINK IT SOUNDS MORE EXTREME THAN IT IS WHEN YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN BUILD A HIGH RISE ON IT.
CORRECT. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY CONVERSATION OR MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE'S ALREADY GOING TO BE DUPLEXES AND RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO, KRISTEN WITH THE MOTION. SECOND. TYSON. TYSON WITH A SECOND.
MR.. STRAUSSER? YES. MR. HOUSE? YES, MISS. CUTHBERT? YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON? YES, MISS. LEWIS? YES, MR. SEITZ? YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND A MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.
ZONING CASE 20 2547. RECEIVED. REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO AMEND THE TERMS OF A PDP DASH 181 SPECIFICALLY TO AMEND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT LOCATED AT 5502 SPINKS ROAD.
ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ADAM HOLLAND.
THIS CASE Z 20 2547. OWNED BY LANCIA, REPRESENTED BY.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PD 181.
THIS IS TO ADD CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY.
SUBJECT PROPERTY INTO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
PD 181 HERE YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE ENTIRE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTIES JUST SOUTH OF SPINKS ROAD.
WILL BE ADDED TO THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THOSE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
THE PROPERTY IS JUST TO THE EAST IN THE ETJ AS WELL.
ARE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES, ALL ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN JUST SOUTH OF THE EXISTING PD ARE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT IS ALREADY THERE. IT'S THE JUST WHITE AND CLEAR.
THE DARK GREEN AND. YES. OKAY. YES. JUST MAKING SURE.
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SORRY. THAT'S CORRECT. HERE IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED.THIS IS ALL PROPERTIES TO BE ADDED TO THE PROPOSED PD.
GENERALLY FOLLOWING THE PERIMETER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HERE ARE SOME SUBJECT VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. CURRENTLY, MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT.
THERE DOES EXIST A HOUSE ON ONE OF THE PROPERTIES TO BE REZONED.
HERE IS WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS RECEIVED FOR IN OPPOSITION.
RESULTING IN A 3.43% OPPOSITION. FOR THIS REQUEST.
GENERALLY, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS REGARDING THE EXPANSION OF THIS PROPERTY AND TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS OTHER GENERAL ISSUES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. YES. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? THANK YOU SIR. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE? GO AHEAD.
EXCUSE ME. HELLO. MY NAME IS RUSTY TOWLE. I'M A RESIDENT OF ABILENE.
I CAME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SPOKE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHEN I SAW ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THEY WERE HAVING DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPANDING LANAKILA AND I.
I ASKED THEN AND PLEADED THEN FOR TRANSPARENCY.
WHAT'S HAPPENING? I AM A NEIGHBOR. I LIVE ON SHIRLEY ROAD.
SO I THINK I AM THE THE. I USED TO HAVE NEIGHBORS BETWEEN ME AND I NO LONGER DO.
I'M NOW MY HOUSE IS 100FT AWAY FROM THIS BORDER, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BORDER WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE WITH BARBED WIRE AT THE TOP. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR.
I APPRECIATE IT EVEN TODAY, GETTING MORE INFORMATION FROM HIM, BUT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN WHAT WAS SHOWN UP HERE IN TERMS OF THE THE PLAN OF THE EXCLUSION ZONE OR THE BOUNDARY. I KNOW EVEN YESTERDAY THEY WERE OUT PLOWING TREES DOWN ON THAT BOUNDARY ZONE.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE HOUSES IN THAT ZONE THAT'S BEING THOUGHT ABOUT BEING ADDED TO, TWO.
I SUPPORT EXPANSION IN THE CITY. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL WENT THROUGH ON THE EARLIER ISSUE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR VOLUNTEER AND THE WAY YOU SERVED THE COMMUNITY. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GROW BUT ALSO BE FAIR TO PEOPLE IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS THAT WHEN I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER 20 YEARS AGO, AND I'VE, I'VE BUILT A HOME THERE, AND I LIVE THERE WITH MY FAMILY, AND MY PARENTS LIVE ON THE PROPERTY WITH ME.
AND AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN LANSING MOVES IN AND WE HAVE NOT A FEW CARS COMING DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE HAD A THOUSAND SEMIS COMING IN FRONT OF OUR HOME EVERY DAY.
OUR ROADS BEEN DESTROYED. IT HASN'T BEEN REPAIRED.
I WORRY ABOUT EXPANDING THE LANSING FOOTPRINT.
NOT BECAUSE I'M AGAINST DATA CENTERS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR POWER FROM.
I KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT POWER. THEY'RE GENERATING IT ON SITE.
I THINK IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS. IS CAN WE BUILD ANOTHER POWER PLANT IN THE CITY LIMITS? I THINK MORE CITY MEMBERS WOULD BE WOULD BE HAVE CONCERNS.
WHAT'S THIS DOING TO OUR LIGHT AND SOUND POLLUTION? TRAFFIC SAFETY? HOW IS THE WATER BEING USED? I HAVE ALL THESE CONCERNS ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT I AM A NEIGHBOR OF THESE PEOPLE.
AND SO I REACHED OUT TO ADAM, WHAT WHAT IS A PD? AND HE POINTED ME TO SOME DOCUMENTS THAT ATTACHMENTS OR FIGURES THAT ARE LOW RESOLUTION AND UNREADABLE.
SO I CAN'T READ THOSE MAPS. AND SO I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOCTOR. ANYONE ELSE? QUESTIONS? IF ANYONE HAS ANY. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? THANK YOU SIR. MY NAME IS JOSE JOSE. I LIVE ON TWO, THREE, SEVEN LOMA VISTA.
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WHICH OF COURSE BORDERS THE AREA. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.I LEARNED A LOT IN HERE. THANK YOU. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO EXPLANATIONS, WE'RE EXCELLENT.
LANAKILA ACTUALLY RUINED ONE OF MY PIECES OF PROPERTY.
OKAY I DID OWN ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S IN BEING ZONED IN RIGHT NOW.
THEY MADE IT SOMEWHAT RIGHT. I DIDN'T WANT TO SELL IT.
THEY MADE US OKAY. I STILL OWN ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
MY HOUSE IS ON IT. I SEE I DRIVE BY YOUR HOUSE ALL THE TIME.
THE BACK WAY. MY CONCERNS AS WELL. IS THERE ANY OTHER LAND ADJACENT TO THE ONES TO THE SOUTH OF SPINKS ROAD THAT ARE BEING PURCHASED NOW FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT? YOU GUYS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THAT QUESTION, DO YOU? OR THAT ANSWER? THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE YES.
I KNOW PERSONALLY OF A PERSON'S LAND BEING BOUGHT.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF MY 800FT OF MY FENCE.
I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THEM. WHAT IS THE PLAN? I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW IT. IS ANYBODY DOES ANYBODY IN THE CITY KNOW THE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, HOW BIG IT'S GOING TO BE. THAT'S THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING IS WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? PLAYING. THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN CONCERN. I KNOW ONE OTHER THING ABOUT YOUR LETTER.
THANK YOU FOR THE LETTER. HOWEVER, IT SAYS RETURN THE SLIP.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHEN. BYE. YOU KNOW, IT JUST SAYS RETURN IT.
OKAY. I'M HERE. WELL, YOU GUYS ALREADY DID THE OPPOSITION.
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN TO RETURN IT? SOME PEOPLE RETURN THEM IN PERSON.
HEY, RETURN BY THIS DATE, WE WOULD. I WOULD SEND IT IN.
I KIND OF UNDERSTOOD. SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS CAN'T ANSWER IT, RIGHT? WHAT FURTHER? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE ANSWERS.
SO. OKAY. KIND OF RAMBLED ON, BUT JUST JUST TO THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S A CONCERN. IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP. WE I GET IT.
I IN THE PEOPLE, THE LADIES THAT WERE HERE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONCERN.
I NOW PASS 50 VEHICLES BETWEEN 530 IN THE MORNING AND 6:00 IN THE 20 MILE STRETCH.
AND I GET IT. WE'RE EXPANDING. IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THIS FAST.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY THREE MINUTES ARE UP. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? BUT THAT WOULD BE THE BIG CONCERN IS I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE COMING IN BACK IN HERE IN A FEW MONTHS WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT THERE'S LAND, MORE LAND BEING PURCHASED, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN HERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE AFFECTED.
YOUR EXPLANATION WAS EXCELLENT, BUT, BUT BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING.
IF YOU HAD A HOUSE OUT THERE, I ENCOURAGE YOU.
COME VISIT ME. COME OUT. 237 LOMA VISTA. MAYBE I'LL COOK YOUR BURGERS OR WHATEVER.
AND WE GOT A CALL UP. CHRIS AND CHRIS. HEY, CAN YOU TURN THE LIGHTS? YEAH.
AND IT HAS BEEN PRETTY SCARY AT TIMES. SO I GET IT.
I DON'T GO OUT THERE EVERY DAY, BUT I'M OUT THERE EVERY TWO WEEKS CHECKING ON PROPERTY.
BUT I CROSS OVER INTO JONES COUNTY BECAUSE MY MINE IS IN ON THE TOP SIDE.
YES, BUT JUST THE TRAFFIC ALONE IN THE PAST YEAR.
YEAH. IT'S PRETTY SCARY BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO LANES, SO I DEFINITELY GET IT.
YES, MA'AM. JUST LIKE YOU SAID, ABILENE, IT IS EXPANDING.
I'VE BEEN HEARING TRAFFIC A WHOLE LOT LATELY AND JUST LIKE HE SAID, WE ARE FOR LAND USAGE.
SO MAYBE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, WE NEED TO PROBABLY TAKE THOSE TO TEX, DOT OR THE CITY AND SEE WHAT THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT IS. AND IF SOMEBODY IS TEXTING OR ON THE PHONE, IT'S A WRAP.
YES, MA'AM. WE USED TO RIDE OUR BIKES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. YOU CANNOT DO IT NO MORE. AND I GET IT.
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SO I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS THE GRAY THREE BLOCKS OR FOUR BLOCKS OF LAND BEING THERE? WHICH ONE OF THEM WAS MINE? WHAT IS THAT BEING ZONED AS NOW? IT WOULD JOIN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT IS THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.SO WOULD BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IT'D BECOME PART OF THAT LARGER GROUP.
AND TRUST ME, YOU'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THOSE ONES TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT, TO THE TO THE RIGHT, TO THE LEFT OF THE GREEN.
IT'S COMING. OH! IT'S COMING. IT'S MY THING. YES, SIR.
IT'S MY I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT'S COMING NEXT.
AND THAT'S AGAIN BORDERS. MINE IS TO THE ONE.
ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, SIR. BE SAFE OUT THERE, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? HELLO. MY NAME IS AMY TOWLE, AND I'M GOING TO ADD SOME EXTRA CONTEXT ON RUSTY'S WIFE.
WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY ON SHIRLEY ROAD BACK IN 2003, I THINK.
SO WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. OBVIOUSLY, IF WE HAD KNOWN THAT THAT PROPERTY WOULD EVER BE REZONED AROUND US TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, BECAUSE OUR DREAM FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO START TO TALK TO ARCHITECTS ABOUT WAS TO CREATE A FAMILY COMPOUND FOR OUR FAMILY THAT HAD COME HERE TODAY. AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THE NOISE.
IF WE HAD KNOWN THIS WAS THE LAST AGENDA ITEM WE WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT EVERYONE TODAY.
YOU'RE BRINGING A BABY. WE WOULD HAVE MOVED YOU TO NUMBER ONE, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S BEEN OUR DREAM FOR A LONG TIME.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING TO THE ARCHITECTS, AND I'VE JUST SEEN.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE, UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, CAN APPRECIATE THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT CAMPUS.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE OVER. WE'LL GET RID OF THESE TRUCKS. THEY'LL JUST BE A FEW EMPLOYEES OUT THERE. IT IS SO MASSIVE THAT EVERY WINDOW ON THE BACK OF MY HOUSE NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK OUTSIDE IS ALL YOU SEE IS THIS BIG, HUGE PARKING LOT.
THEY'VE RAISED IT UP SO MUCH THAT IT'S IT'S JUST EYE LEVEL.
SO I LEVEL OUT. EVERY WINDOW IS A BIG PARKING LOT WITH HUGE CRANES AND CONSTANT BEEPING OF BACK, YOU KNOW, BULLDOZERS BACKING UP AND CHANGING THINGS AS HE SAID, THEY'VE NOW BOUGHT RIGHT UP TO OUR PROPERTY, SO THEY SHARE A FENCE LINE WITH US. THEY'RE NOW CLEANING OUT THAT FENCE LINE.
THEY'RE PUMPING OUT THE TANK THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
VERY OLD STOCK POND. SO EVERYTHING IS CHANGING AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST OR THINK PEOPLE SHOULD DO WHATEVER I SAY TO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. BUT I HAD HOPED WHEN THEY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE BUFFER.
LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE PEOPLE SO CLOSE TO US THAT THEY CAN COMPLAIN.
SO WE'LL JUST BUY UP ALL THIS PROPERTY. AND I THOUGHT THAT ALL THAT PROPERTY WOULD STAY VACANT, BUT THAT IS NOT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BUILD RIGHT UP TO OUR FENCE LINE.
AND THE RAZOR WIRE IS NOT JUST HYPERBOLE. THERE'S RAZOR WIRE GOING UP AROUND THAT PROPERTY.
THERE'LL BE GUARDS, THERE'LL BE PATROLS, PEOPLE GOING UP AND DOWN CHECKING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T EXPECT THINGS TO CHANGE THE SAME. BUT WHEN YOU BUILD OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WHERE THE VERY LAST HOUSE IN THE CITY LIMITS 27 ACRES, STILL TEN MINUTES TO WORK.
AND I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW A LOT ABOUT AI. USE AI IN YOUR BUSINESSES, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE IN A STONE'S THROW EVERYWHERE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION I'M IN IN THE BUSINESS OF, YOU KNOW, LEGAL CURATION OF CASES. AND WE USE AI, I LOVE AI, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE RIGHT THERE LOOKING AT IT EVERY NIGHT.
MY BACKYARD IS NO LONGER DARK. IT IS JUST BRIGHT LIGHT SHOWING AT ME ALL THE TIME.
AND IT'S JUST NOT NOT WHAT WE PLANNED. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? HI, MY NAME IS JARED BARKER AND I'M A CITIZEN OF ABILENE. LIKE AMY MENTIONED, WE'RE PLANNING ON.
WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE STARGATE PROJECT, I WAS VERY EXCITED. IT'S COOL TECHNOLOGY, IT'S NEAT, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT BUSINESS FOR ABILENE. BUT OVER TIME, I'VE REALLY SOURED ON THIS IDEA.
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LIKE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, WHEN COMPLAINTS HAVE RISEN UP FROM NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE, LANSING'S PLAN HAS BEEN TO JUST BUY THEM OUT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ESTABLISHES A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF HOW THINGS WILL GO MOVING FORWARD. FURTHERMORE, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY AND WATER THAT ABILENE HAS.HANDS. AND WHEN ELECTRICITY RUNS LOW, WILL I HAVE POWER OR WILL LANCOME GET THAT POWER? WHEN WATER RUNS LOW? WILL MY CHILDREN HAVE WATER OR WILL LANCOME GET THAT WATER? AND AS WE'VE ESTABLISHED IN OTHER CASES TODAY, THERE'S A HUGE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING IN ABILENE RIGHT NOW, AND FURTHER EXPANDING THE POTENTIAL AREA THAT THEY CAN CONSTRUCT IN WILL JUST EXACERBATE THAT PROBLEM EVEN MORE.
I THINK IT IS SHORTSIGHTED FOR US TO APPROVE A FURTHER EXPANSION OF LANCOME'S TERRITORY WITHOUT IT EVEN BEING TURNED ON AT ALL, YET WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT YET.
YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER PROJECTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST THE SIMPLE FACT, AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS COULD LOCK US INTO A STATE OF ABILENE THAT WE CANNOT SUPPORT.
I THINK WE COULD QUICKLY EXPAND BEYOND OUR CAPABILITIES, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU RIGHT THERE. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? SEE NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY.
SORRY, SIR. WE ARE NOT CLOSED. PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL CLOSED.
SO, ARE YOU STILL OPEN? WELCOME BACK. MY NAME IS ESPEN JOHANSEN.
I WORK FOR LANSING. I'M ONE OF THE PROJECT MANAGERS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT IS JUST COMING UP NOW IS TO BASICALLY TO PROTECT THE WORK SITE.
INSIDE THERE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE CONSTRUCTION AREA.
TO TRY TO GET ALL THE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE LOCAL ROADS IN THE AREA.
SPINKS AND SHIRLEY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT WE RUINED HIS PROPERTY.
THAT PROPERTY GOT FLOODED DURING SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD RAIN.
WE TRIED TO HELP YOU TO PUMP SOME OF THAT WATER OUT.
WE BASICALLY ENDED UP PURCHASING THAT PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S THE ONE THAT IS IN THE FURTHEST SOUTHWEST AREA AT THE MOMENT.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES.
ALL THESE COOLING SYSTEMS THAT IS IN THE DATA CENTER IS ALL CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. GRANTED, IT USES QUITE A BIT OF WATER WHEN THEY DO THE FLUSHING OF THE PIPES.
AND WE DO THE FIRST FILL OF THE WATER AS SOON AS THIS.
THESE DATA CENTERS ARE UP AND RUNNING. THE ONLY WATER THAT IS GOING TO BE USED IN THERE IS FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, SUCH AS BATHROOMS, SHOWERS, WHATNOT, AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF MAKE UP WATER INSIDE OUR CLOSED LOOP WATER SYSTEM.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE DRAIN ON THE SYSTEM.
THE PLANS FOR THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT ON IT IS CONTINUED TO BE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE TAKING OUT ANY, ANY MORE WATER THAN WHAT IS WHAT IS BEING USED ON THE INITIAL BUILDINGS.
THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE'RE USING LESS WATER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE CHEESE FACTORY ACROSS THE TOWN HERE FOR FOR THIS WHOLE DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE KNOW ABOUT THE ROADS. SHIRLEY ROAD AND LINK ROAD IS IS NOT A VERY GOOD CONDITIONS.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE CITY ABOUT DOING THEIR REPAIRS TO IT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE FOR ME, I'M OPEN WILLING.
FOR THE AREA TO THE EAST THERE THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THIS PD, POTENTIALLY.
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THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS IN GRAY NOW. YES, SIR.YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO BE A ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THAT.
THERE IS A PLAN FOR A POWER PLANT. POWER PLANT? GAS TURBINES. OF COURSE, THEY ARE APPLYING FOR THE PROPER PERMITS FOR IT FROM TCAC AND WHATEVER AUTHORITY NEEDS TO GIVE THAT.
IN YOUR IN YOUR. DEVELOPMENT. THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR THE POWER PLANTS ARE ON LOT ONE AND LOT TWO BLOCK A ARE YOU TELLING US THAT THAT'S GOING TO EXPAND INTO THAT EAST AREA AS WELL? IT'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED ON THAT WE CALL IT THE BUNKLEY PROPERTY.
IT BASICALLY GOES FROM FM 2404. THEN YOU HAVE A PORTION THERE BETWEEN THE THE GREEN LINE THERE, WHICH IS THE AEP TRANSMISSION LINES. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THAT NORTHERN PART, BUT THAT PART ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SOLD TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WILL HAVE GAS TURBINES ON IT, WHICH WILL BE FEEDING THE DATA CENTER. SO THAT'S YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING THAT RECTANGLE UP TOP THERE WITH A LITTLE ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SMOKESTACK STICKING OFF THE TOP OF IT THERE. THAT'S LOT ONE AND LOT TWO ALL OF THAT GRAY AREA.
YEAH. THAT'S THAT WAS YOUR PLANNED AREA FOR THE POWER PLANTS.
YEAH. THAT WAS STARTED LOOKING AT THIS. YEAH.
THAT LOT HAS TWO DATA CENTER BUILDINGS ON IT AND A GAS TURBINE POWER PLANT, WHICH IS BACKUP POWER TO THOSE BUILDINGS. SO IF FOR SOME REASON THAT WE LOSE POWER FROM THE GRID, THEN THEY CAN START UP THOSE GAS POWER PLANTS AND FEED PART OF THE DATA CENTER FROM THAT POWER PLANT. GOTCHA. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN THIS BLUE.
THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE FOR RECTANGLES IT WILL BE ON THAT PIECE OF LAND TO THE EAST OF THAT, TO THE EAST OF IT. YEAH. AND IS THAT POWER PLANT AN AMMONIA PLANT, OR IS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED DEVELOPING NATURAL GAS? NATURAL GAS. OKAY. AND I WOULD BET YOU ALL NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT SECTION TURNED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AT THAT TIME ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
WE DID CHECK WITH TIM LITTLEJOHN AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF WE NEEDED TO GO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THAT, OR WE COULD GO WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AND HE TOLD US LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD SUFFICE.
OKAY. THE REASON WHY WE DID HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THAT LOT ONE BACK IN THE DAY WAS THAT IN WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL REZONING OF THAT PIECE OF LAND, WE HAD SOME POTENTIAL IDEAS THAT WE MIGHT PUT IN SOME AMMONIA PLANTS OR SOMETHING THERE WHICH IS MORE INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS WHY WE WE ZONED FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN CASE WE WOULD GO THAT WAY.
YEAH. I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING POWER PLANT TOWARD ADJACENT PROPERTY.
YEAH. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE ON THE FINAL DETAIL ON IT.
THERE'S THERE'S A 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE THAT SURROUNDS THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE COMMITTED TO NOT DOING ANY, ANY ABOVE THE GROUND STRUCTURES ON IT, WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
AND THAT ONE EXCEPTION IS THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE OF THE GAS POWER PLANT, THE NEW ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN, THEY ARE DESIGNING A, A SOUND WALL SO THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BECOME A SOUND NUISANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE DRY FACILITY. YEAH, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DETAILS.
PLAN ON WITH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH, BUT THE PLAN IS TO PUT UP A SOUND SUPPRESSIVE SUPPRESSIVE WALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT TO PROTECT THE DRY GROUP. YES. YEAH. YEAH. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE DRY GROUP.
SO AND WE ALSO BEEN HELPING THEM WITH DOING SOME ROAD REPAIRS FOR THEM AND SOME FIXES.
AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD PEOPLE TO WORK WITH.
THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE. YEAH. DR. DRE WAS MY PRIMARY CONCERN IN THAT QUESTION.
SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT. NO PROBLEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME. OOPS. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER?
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SEEING. NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE.WOULD THERE BE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES? NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD EITHER BY VOTE OR APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO READINGS, WITH THE SECOND READING BEING THE FINAL ONE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE BOTH YOUR SUPPORT OR YOUR DISAGREEMENT.
THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTIONS ON THE COMMISSIONERS? YOU KNOW, BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION? WHEN I BUILT OUR HOME OUT IN ELM VALLEY, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE HORSE HOLLOW WIND FARM WENT IN, AND I WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSITE SIDE, BUT I WAS ON THE OPPOSING SIDE. YOU KNOW, I ULTIMATELY SOLD MY PROPERTY AND MOVED BACK TO TOWN BECAUSE IT IT JUST WASN'T WHAT I ENVISIONED. I GOT A LOT MORE FAMILIAR WITH SURROUNDING ZONING AFTER THAT SAID, THAT'LL BE THE LAST TIME I EVER BORROW SOMEBODY ELSE'S VIEW.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK AS A AS A COMMISSION, WE HAVE GOT TO NOT ONLY PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF ABILENE, BUT OTHER RESIDENTS AS WELL. GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WE'RE SEEING NOW, TEN YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A DATA CENTER WAS. AND NOW WE HAVE THE WORLD RECORD SETTING DATA CENTER RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD.
I'VE BEEN OUT AND VISITED THE SITE. IT'S A SMALL CITY, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
SO I'M RAMBLING A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE LANCE AND, AND ALL THE DEVELOPERS TO BE REALLY MINDFUL OF THOSE NEIGHBORS. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR HE'S TALKING ABOUT A SOUND MITIGATION WALL BETWEEN THEM AND DRY LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. BUT JUST PLEASE CONTINUE LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MOVING FORWARD IN A WAY THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, HONORS THEM.
WON'T BE QUITE AS DISRUPTIVE, ALTHOUGH PROBABLY WON'T BE ANY MORE BEAUTIFUL.
AND SO CERTAINLY SOMEBODY THAT IS PRO INNOVATION AND PRO ENERGY AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE IDEA OF ASKING FOR CONCERNS AROUND TRANSPARENCY AND JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IS AN IMPORTANT THING THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO BE ASKING FOR. AND SO AND ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN? I HEARD SENATOR PERRY A FEW WEEKS AGO SPEAK, AND HE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET TO CHOOSE WHAT PITCH IS THROWN TO YOU.
BUT YOU HIT IT AND YOU TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF WHAT THAT PITCH WAS.
BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME TRICKY CURVES TO IT. AND SO HOW WE HIT IT, HOW WE APPROACH IT, HOW WE RESPOND TO HOUSING ISSUES RELATED AROUND THESE, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY NOW HAS TO THINK ABOUT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS MOVING SO FAST IS IMPORTANT.
AND SO I AGREE WITH KEVIN'S CALL FOR CAUTION.
I AGREE WITH DOCTOR TAL'S CALL FOR TRANSPARENCY.
AND SO EVERYBODY'S KIND OF BEEN RESPONDING AND GROWING TOGETHER.
NOT WITHOUT GROWING PAINS. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY MOTIONS ON THIS MATTER? IS THERE A PLACE FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE TO GO AND GET SOME TRANSPARENCY? I KNOW ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS HE WASN'T GETTING ANY INFORMATION.
SO, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PLENTY AND ZONING HERE AND WE'VE GOT SOMEONE FROM LANSING HERE.
HOW DO HOW DO THE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE AREAS ASK QUESTIONS OR FIND OUT INFORMATION?
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I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK THAT TO, BUT I GUESS PROBABLY YOU.WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK UP FOR JUST A SECOND? I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'D ALSO SAY I THINK SOME OF THE LAND IS BEING DEVELOPED ON SPEC, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IT TO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT FOR IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD.
IF EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER, WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE QUITE.
SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. INFORMATION.
YEAH. LANSING MR. LANDOWNER AFTER AND WE HAVE THE COMPANY THAT IS DOING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ACTUAL DATA CENTER IS A COMPANY CALLED CRUSOE ENERGY. AND CRUSOE ENERGY HAS A SPECIFIC WEBSITE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE IF YOU DRIVE BY THE MAIN GATE THERE UP ON FM 2404.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN FAQ THERE WHERE THERE'S A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT POWER USE TO TALK ABOUT WATER, USE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT. ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AT LANAKILA.
COM WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
SO REACH OUT. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU A TOUR OF THE FACILITY IF YOU WANT TO.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR. JOSEPH. JOSEPH, I LIVE ON TWO, THREE, SEVEN LOMA VISTA, SIR.
YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I GUESS THE TRANSPARENCY PART IS, WHAT'S THE END GOAL? IS THERE AN END GOAL TO THIS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
NO ONE KNOWS. NO ONE KNOWS. I THINK IT'S JUST CONTINUING TO HAPPEN AS IT HAPPENS.
SIR, WOULD YOU MIND ADDRESSING THE MIC? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, SORRY. HE'S BACK THERE. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE END GOAL WAS.
I MEAN, IF POSSIBLE. ARE YOU GOING TO PURCHASE MORE LAND? ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE ON FURTHER SOUTH? ARE YOU GOING TO 20.
WHAT IS WHAT IS THE GOAL? THAT'S THE TRANSPARENCY PART.
AND I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T ANSWER IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE THEY KNOW EITHER. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT MEANLY. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING AS AS THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE. THE LANDOWNER. YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER? YES, SIR. AND IF THAT DEVELOPER IS WANTING MORE, THEN MAYBE THEY NEED TO ADD MORE LAND AND OR THE DEVELOPERS, LIKE. NO, THIS IS THE SIZE WE NEED IT TO BE. AND SO I THINK THEY'RE PARTNERING THE WAY YOU WOULD IN BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT IS THE HOMES? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE GROW? ARE WE ENOUGH? SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. AND SO I'M I THINK SOME OF THAT WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER, MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE ANYBODY KEEPING ANYTHING AS MUCH AS JUST NOT KNOWING THE NEED OR THE GROWTH AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. BUT IF YOU PURCHASE A HOUSE OR YOU PURCHASE LAND AND BUILD A HOUSE, YOU HAVE A PLAN TO BUILD THAT HOUSE, RIGHT? SO IF IF THERE IS A PLAN TO PURCHASE 189 MORE ACRES RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN? YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I UNDERSTAND.
SO I MEAN, JUST ON A AS A REALTOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, I CAN JUST SAY A LOT OF TIMES THEY PURCHASE IT BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT COULD COME OR WHAT THEY COULD USE THAT FOR.
SO THERE IS A FUTURE. MAYBE THEY DON'T. BUT THERE'S A PLAN THAT MAYBE THERE'S NO PLAN FOR IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, I MEAN, SOMEBODY WANTED TO SELL THEIR LAND, AND SO THEY'RE WILLING TO BUY THE LAND, AND EVERYBODY COMES TO AN AGREEMENT, AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES IN. BECAUSE WHEN LANSING GOT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY DID NOT HAVE AN AI.
THERE IS NO THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. AND SO MINING PLANT WASN'T IT? YEAH. IT WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AND IT CHANGED FROM THAT.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL BUY THIS LAND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE UPSET.
YOU DIDN'T YOU HAD A HOUSE THERE. AND SO THEY'LL TAKE THAT.
THAT WAY YOU CAN NOW MOVE ON AND YOU'RE NOT UPSET ANYMORE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I MEAN, SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT JUST THAT PURCHASING OF IT IS, IS FOR HEY, SOMETHING COULD COME. IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT US TO HAVE IT SORT OF THING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A PLAN OF WHAT'S GOING ON TO IT.
BUT HE SAID ON THEIR WEBSITE. ONCE THEY FIGURE IT OUT, I GUESS THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON THE WEBSITE.
I GUESS WHAT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF I'M A CORPORATION OF $500 BILLION CORPORATION AND I'M BUYING MORE LAND, THERE'S A PLAN. THAT'S MY OPINION. THERE'S A PLAN.
SOMETIMES THERE'S A PLAN. SOMETIMES IT IS A IT IS A GLOBAL COMPETITION SCENARIO AS WELL.
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SO THEN LET US KNOW. BUT I MEAN, I HAVE PRIVATE INVESTORS WHO ARE BUYING LAND THAT THEY SEE COME UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IT, BUT THEY KNOW THEY WANT TO OWN IT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT MAKE MONEY ON IT. RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY DOES ANYBODY ALWAYS KNOW.RIGHT. BUT BUT YOU'RE AND AS YOU GUYS HAVE SAID, YOU'RE AFFECTING PEOPLE.
OH, ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AFFECTING LIKE LADY SAID.
ABSOLUTELY. I MOVED OUT TO 29 YEARS AGO, 29 YEARS AGO.
I INVITE YOU OUT TO MY HOUSE AND SEE WHAT I BUILT AND SEE WHAT I GET TO LOOK AT NOW.
THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD. I KNOW CHRIS, ONE OF THE GUYS OUT THERE.
HE'S BEEN PRETTY GOOD. THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.
LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO DISCUSS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU.
I KNOW IT'S GOING LONG, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE QUESTION OF WHERE WE CAN GET INFORMATION AND HELP AND SUPPORT THE DIALOG HERE TODAY, SO THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I, I THINK IT'S CLEAR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS.
BUT I THINK ZONING GIVES YOU SOME FAITH OF WHAT YOU'RE NEXT TO.
RIGHT. AND SO AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T MIND IF LANCE OWNS THE LAND.
I'M THRILLED FOR HIM TO OWN THE LAND. I GUESS THE WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH TODAY IS DO WE CHANGE IT FROM OPEN AG? THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF A POWER PLANT BEING OUT MY BACK DOOR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SIGNING UP FOR, BUT I DIDN'T SIGN UP TO LIVE NEXT TO A POWER PLANT AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE WASTE THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT.
AND SO I AND UNTIL THERE IS A PLAN, DO WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH REZONING.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO TO PAUSE THE ZONING AND SAY, COME UP WITH A PLAN? AND IF IT IS A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF IT IS A POWER PLANT AND IT'S GOING TO BE TOO CLOSE AND IT'S NOISY, THEN LET'S THINK ABOUT A SOUND WALL. THANKS FOR FOR THINKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS THERE.
BUT I AM STILL A CITIZEN AND I HAVE PROPERTY.
AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE PAUSE REZONING UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SUPPORTING OR NOT.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MATTER? IT WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR ANY MOTIONS? WELL, HE JUST CONFUSED ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS SICK, BUT. IS THERE A WAY? CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? IS THERE A WAY THAT.
SO I GUESS THAT HE'S ASKING TO TABLE IT UNTIL THERE'S A PLAN.
I THINK THE CITIZEN IS ASKING. DOCTOR TOWLE IS ASKING FOR US TO CONSIDER DECLINING THE ZONING CHANGE AND ASKING THE DEVELOPER OR LANSING TO COME AND SHOW MORE OF WHAT THEIR PLAN IS BEFORE AGREEING TO THE DEVELOPMENT CHANGE.
IT IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S BASICALLY JUST TAKING IT'S BASICALLY JUST ASKING FOR THESE NEW PIECES OF LAND TO BECOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND TO THEN INCORPORATE THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER.
AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU. TIM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S AN ACCURATE? YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS AM I ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS? YES. YES. OKAY.
LET ME ASK REAL QUICK. SO WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? THIS IS THIS IS DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT.
BUT ON THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IS THIS A LIGHT ENOUGH POWER PLANT THAT IT QUALIFIES FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? OR. I WOULD TYPICALLY NOT EXPECT TO SEE A POWER PLANT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
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THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILDING THE SOUND WALL. NOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR STUDIES TO MAKE SURE CERTAIN LEVEL OF DECIBELS DOES NOT CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.THAT IS ALSO WHY, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN WE WERE THINKING OUT THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE COULD PUT THAT HUGE BUFFER BUFFER AND, YOU KNOW, THE 200 FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.
SO AS THEY EXPAND, WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING THAT THEY EXPAND THOSE BUFFERS TO FOLLOW THOSE LINES.
BASICALLY, THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE THE SAME USES WITHIN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS THEY BUY LAND, EXPAND THAT SAME CRITERIA JUST FURTHER SOUTH, RIGHT.
AND SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST. YES, SIR. YES, SIR.
OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY MOTIONS? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND. MR. SIMPSON? YES. MR.. YES. YES.
MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. MR.. LEWIS? YES. MR.. SACHSE.
YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIES.
AGAIN, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL AND TAKE YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.