18. Ordinance (First Reading) OAM-2025-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on an Amendment to Chapter 4, Article 2, Division 11 – Vacation Travel Trailer/Recreational Vehicle Parks of the Land Development Code (LDC). (Tim Littlejohn)

[18. Ordinance (First Reading) OAM-2025-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on an Amendment to Chapter 4, Article 2, Division 11 – Vacation Travel Trailer/Recreational Vehicle Parks of the Land Development Code (LDC). (Tim Littlejohn)]

AND, COUNCILMAN PRICE, YOU HAD ASKED FOR THIS ONE.

YES. THIS IS A FIRST READING, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION SINCE WE'LL HAVE IT AGAIN IN JANUARY.

BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I SENT IN.

SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SENT IN QUESTIONS AS WELL. AND SOME OF THEM, I THINK, WARRANT A DISCUSSION JUST SO WE CAN PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO STAFF ON THE CHANGES TO BRING TO US AT THE SECOND MEETING WITHOUT HAVING TO WRITE IT AS WE TALK, RIGHT BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT. OKAY. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS THERE'S A SECTION FOR 211, THREE THAT TALKS ABOUT PRIVATE STREETS. AND AND THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT TALKED ABOUT WIDTHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT PRIVATE STREETS ARE ALREADY DEFINED IN ANOTHER PLACE WITHIN THE CODE THAT DEFINE WIDTHS AND ALL THAT AND TURN RADIUS AND STANDARDS.

AND SO I STAFF POINTED OUT THAT THE, THE USE OF PRIVATE STREET HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE USE OF PRIVATE STREET THERE AND DOESN'T HAVE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HAVING TO BE SPECIFIED. AND THEY WERE SUGGESTING NAMING IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

MY THOUGHT IS, WHY NOT JUST HAVE IT MEET THE STANDARDS OF A PRIVATE STREET? ONE CONCERN THEY HAVE IS COMING BACK TO THE CITY, BEING DEDICATED BACK TO THE CITY.

AND WE COULD JUST SPECIFY IN THE ORDINANCE FOR AN RV PARK THAT THERE'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DEDICATED BACK TO THE CITY.

BUT IF WE HAVE IT, MEET THE STANDARDS AND IT TAKES CARE OF THE WIDTH ISSUE, TAKES CARE OF ROOM FOR PARKING ON THE STREET, WHILE STILL ALLOWING ROOM FOR A FIRE TRUCK OR A SANITARY TRUCK TO MAKE ITS WAY DOWN THE STREETS AT TURN RADIUSES ARE TAKEN CARE OF.

THE THE DEPTH OF THE ASPHALT, ALL THIS STUFF.

WE'RE CAN HANDLE A FULL FIRE ENGINE THAT'S GOT A LOAD OF WATER.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF IF WE DO THAT. AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE EXEMPTIONS TO CERTAIN THINGS LIKE CURB AND GUTTER OR SIDEWALKS WITHIN THAT PROPERTY, WE COULD INCLUDE AN EXCEPTION THAT'S JUST THERE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO GET AN EXCEPTION.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAD WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF THE WORD PRIVATE STREETS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT ANOTHER ISSUE THAT OR QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS WE HAVE A TRIGGER OF 99 HOUSES IN A SUBDIVISION THAT WHEN YOU REACH THAT POINT UNDER THE FIRE CODE, IT TRIGGERS A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THAT SUBDIVISION SO THAT IF THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING HAPPENING IN ONE PLACE, YOU HAVEN'T BLOCKED THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION AND YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO ANOTHER MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR ANOTHER FIRE OR POLICE CAN'T GET BACK IN THERE, AS WELL AS JUST RESIDENTS GETTING TO AND FROM THEIR HOMES.

THE QUESTION I HAD WAS, DO WE COUNT PADS AT AN RV PARK THE SAME AS DWELLINGS? DOES THAT TRIGGER THE SAME SECONDARY EGRESS INGRESS? YES, SIR. IT DOES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

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I DIDN'T KNOW IF A PAD WAS CONSIDERED A DWELLING SINCE IT'S NOT A PERMANENT.

YEAH, THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING WOULD FIT AN RV AS WELL.

OKAY. SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT I HAD.

AND THEN I APPRECIATE YOU ALL ADDING ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR SEPARATION.

FOR, LIKE, A DUMPING STATION WHERE IT'S MORE THAN 15FT.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SUGGESTED A MINIMUM OF 200FT AWAY FROM ANY STRUCTURES IN RV SPACES.

DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE EXISTING AND IF IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED BUT HADN'T BEEN BUILT OR AS PART OF THE THE SITE PLAN FOR LIKE AN RV PARK? THEY DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE THERE YET, BUT THE PLAN IS THERE WILL BE A STRUCTURE THERE.

DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT OR IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH JUST TO SAY, I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR ENOUGH.

AND IF THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE SITE PLAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ADHERED TO.

BY BY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED BY STAFF, BUT THE THE PRIVATE STREETS ARE THE ONE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE PRIVATE STREET APPROACH WHERE WE JUST SAY IT, IT'S A REGULAR PRIVATE STREET REQUIREMENT. JUST REMOVE THE CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT.

I THINK THE PRIVATE STREET DEFINITION THAT IS IN THE IN THE STANDARD CONSTRUCTION DETAILS IS MORE FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WHEN THEY HAVE A GATED COMMUNITY, OR EVEN SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, HAVE SOME PRIVATE STREETS WHERE WE ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY, MAKE SURE THE THEY'RE BUILT TO OUR STREET STANDARDS.

THE BLOCK LENGTHS ARE APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? RV PARKS ARE A LITTLE UNIQUE WHERE IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T FIT THAT REQUIREMENT.

IT'S ALMOST. IF YOU WOULD RATHER CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO A PRIVATE DRIVE, WOULD IT BE MORE FITTING FOR AN RV PARK? SO WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE IN JUST HAVING THEM COMPLY WITH THE PRIVATE STREET, LIKE THE WIDTH, THE TURN RADIUS? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL EXPECTING FIRE.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRE ENGINE THAT'S GOT HOWEVER MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER IN IT? YES, SIR. WAIT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, MAKE A TURN. RESPOND TO A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. SO IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WEIGHT.

AND YOU GET THE THE SOLID WASTE THAT'S COMING IN THERE.

THEY'RE BACKING UP, THEY'RE TURNING, AND THAT CAN BUCKLE THINNER.

SO JUST. THOSE AREN'T CONCERNS. I JUST WOULD LIKE.

YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TODAY. THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE WITH REGARD TO HANDLING THE STREETS HERE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS WE JUST NOT ALLOW ANY ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE NARROWER AND THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO GET DOWN TO THE STREET. IF YOU'VE GOT CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES, AND IF YOU HAVE IT TO A STANDARD STREET WIDTH, YOU'VE GOT ROOM TO ALSO HAVE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.

I CAN DEFINITELY VET THAT OUT WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHAT THE PROS AND CONS ARE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE WIDTH THAT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED THAT ALONG WITH THE NUMBERING.

ANYBODY THAT'S RESPONDED TO LIKE 202 ARNOLD 6100 TEXAS ANY MOBILE HOME PARK, PEOPLE TEND TO PARK IN THE STREET INSTEAD OF IN THEIR PARKING SPOT, OR THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE. THEY HAVE TWO VEHICLES IN THEIR PARKING SPOT, AND THEY PARK A THIRD ONE OUT ON THE STREET, WHICH MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET EVEN A POLICE TAHOE DOWN THAT ROAD. AND SO IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT WITH A FIRE ENGINE OR TRUCK.

THE 50 LOT THRESHOLD FOR SIGNAGE REQUIRING NUMBERED SIGNAGE, I THINK IS FAR TOO HIGH.

AGAIN, USING SOME OF THAT RESPONSE EXPERIENCE IN THOSE AREAS, WHEN IT'S DARK, IT'S HARD TO SEE.

IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING. IT'S SOMEWHAT EASIER IF THERE'S A FIRE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SMOKE, BUT IF IT'S A MEDICAL CALL OR SOME SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE RV, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE RESPONDERS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHERE THAT PARTICULAR LOT IS. AND SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LOWERED TO ABOUT TEN. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO DO IT BELOW THAT. THAT WOULD BE A VERY SMALL PARK.

AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ATTEMPTING TO BUILD A PARK WITH ONLY TEN UNITS.

HE'S REALLY VERY LARGE. YEAH, ACTUALLY WE JUST TOOK THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT CHANGE AND JUST MAKE IT REQUIRED NO MATTER WHAT THE SIZE.

WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IF THERE'S TWO.

RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S EITHER THIS ONE OR THAT ONE.

BUT TEN TO ME SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT TO TEN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

AND I AGREE WITH SHANE ABOUT THE ON STREET PARKING.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE REAL HIGH DENSITY. AND SO WE HAVE THE STREETS HAVE GOT TO BE CLEAR TO GET VEHICLES DOWN, EMERGENCY VEHICLES DOWN THE ROADS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I AGREE WITH SHANE ON TRYING TO MAKE THESE AS EASY TO TRANSITION TO A REGULAR SUBDIVISION DOWN THE ROAD ONCE THE DEMAND IS GONE.

WHETHER IT'S THE STREETS, THE PLUMBING, UTILITIES, ETC.

MAKING THESE AS EASY TO TRANSITION TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IF IF THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT DOWN THE ROAD IN 5 OR 10 YEARS.

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SO THE, THE, THE STREETS THAT SHANE BROUGHT UP MAKE SENSE TO ME.

THE OTHER REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I HAD HAD, AND I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP IN THE IN THE ITEM 21 IS THE SIX FOOT MINIMUM FENCE OR WALL? I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER CODES AND TALKING TO SOME OTHER CITIES ABOUT THIS AND WITH RV PARKS, WHAT I WAS GETTING BACK WAS EIGHT FEET. AND THE REASONING FOR THAT WAS THAT THESE STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY SET.

THEY START OFF A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'LL BE EITHER ON A, YOU KNOW, A TRAILER OR ON A RAISED FOUNDATION.

AND TO BLOCK THE TOP OF THE WINDOW SILL. MAKES SENSE, I GUESS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, A SIX FOOT WILL BLOCK THE TOP OF THE THE WINDOW SILL. BUT WITH THE RAISED NATURE OF THESE STRUCTURES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE IT.

AND SO FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE ESTHETICS FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE WINDOW SILL IS NOT GOING TO BE BLOCKED.

AND SO A LOT OF THEM WILL GO EIGHT FEET ON THAT PERIMETER WALL.

WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE THINKING ON SIX VERSUS EIGHT FOR US HERE.

ANYTHING I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT ANYTHING ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL HAS A 300 FOOT SEPARATION DISTANCE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY LOOKING INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.

RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS.

WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THE ESTHETICS AND A SIX FOOT FENCE, AND SOMETIMES IT COULD BE 1000FT LONG.

WHETHER IT'S NOT NON OPAQUE, WHATEVER. LANDSCAPING WHATEVER.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THE PARKS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY.

AS FAR AS YOUR CONCERN, WE'RE NOT STAFF'S NOT CONCERNED OF IT BECAUSE OF THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE THE RV'S AND THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

300 FOOT IS QUITE A WAYS. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY CONCERNS THERE.

THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT I HAD ON THAT. YES, SIR. ON THAT ITEM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN PRICE ON THE THE STREETS CONCERN.

I THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, YOU SHOULD PLAN FOR STREET PARKING.

THAT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN. ESPECIALLY AS DENSE AS THE POPULATION IS GOING TO BE IN ANY SIZE RV PARK, THAT THAT'S JUST HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACT.

AND SO IF WE'RE ENVISIONING CRAFTING THESE ORDINANCES SO THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG TERM OPTION, THAT THESE COULD BECOME CITY STREETS DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK APPLYING THE PRIVATE STREET OR THE DEFINITION OF PRIVATE STREET STANDARDS AND MAKING EXCEPTIONS FOR CURBS AND THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT USE, BUT AT LEAST HAVING THE SIZE AND THE DEPTH AND THE WEIGHT BEARING CAPACITY. I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH THAT DIRECTION THAT THIS IS NOT REALLY ABOUT THE THE FIRST USE OF THIS LAND.

IT'S THE FOLLOW ON USE. AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE IF YOU DON'T SET IT UP THAT WAY AT FIRST.

SO. ANYONE ELSE? KIM. ARE THESE THINGS THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS BEFORE THE SECOND READING? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 18. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT ACCEPT A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN REAGAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 21. AND, COUNCILMAN REAGAN, YOU HAD ASKED FOR THIS ONE TO BE PULLED.

[21. Ordinance (First Reading) Z-2025-44: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, to Change the Zoning of Approximately 109.8 Acres from Light Industrial (LI) to General Commercial (GC). Located at 1202 Elmdale Road. (Tim Littlejohn)]

YES. THANK YOU. SO 21 AND 22 ARE KIND OF COMPANIONS.

AND SO FOR THOSE KIND OF FOLLOWING ALONG IN THE PACKET, YOU MAY NEED TO FLIP BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE ELMDALE NINE 900 PLUS ROUGHLY A THOUSAND SPOT RV PARK OUT ON ELMDALE KIND OF TWO TWO MAIN CONCERNS WITH IT. I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF OBJECTIONS AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CARDS ON THIS ONE.

FOR THIS COULD YOU JUST SPEAK FIRST ON. SO WE'RE THIS IS A REZONING AND A THE SECOND PART WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND I THINK THE GENERAL POPULATION MAY NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND ON THE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

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SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK REAL BRIEFLY ON HOW THAT APPLIES TO THIS AND WHAT IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE FIVE, TEN, 20 YEAR TERM FOR THIS FOR THIS PROJECT.

ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF STANLEY WOULD PREFER.

TO ME TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFICALLY THE CUP, SINCE THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS REFERRING TO.

I COULD TALK ABOUT THE ZONING ON THIS ONE. WE MAY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE MOVE TO YOUR NEXT ONE YOU PULLED TO DISCUSS THE CUP.

I THINK THIS AGENDA ITEM IS JUST A GENERAL GENERAL ZONING LAYER.

RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE IS MORE SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, I BELIEVE.

OKAY. SO I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN ISSUE WITH THIS IS, IS THE TRAFFIC.

AND SO THIS IS I'M GOING TO SAY A THOUSAND. I KNOW IT'S, I THINK IT'S 945 SPOTS.

BUT JUST FOR EASE OF DISCUSSION, WE'LL JUST SAY 1000.

SO I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME KIND OF GETTING AROUND A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND SPOTS.

AND I KNOW EACH SPOT HAS TWO PARKING SPOTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OFF STREET. SO IT'LL BE 2000 PARKING SPOTS.

2000 CARS CAN BE. CAN BE PARKED THERE AND LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.

I THINK THERE'S TWO, TWO ENTRANCES ALL ON ELMDALE.

AND SO FOR ME, I WAS TRYING TO GET A GET MY HEAD AROUND.

WELL, WHAT IS 1000? IF THEY'RE JUST SINGLE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T EVEN USE THE EXTRA SPOT OR THEY DON'T HAVE A ROOMMATE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A SPOUSE OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 1000 PEOPLE. I LOOKED UP WALMART, A WALMART PARKING LOT, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT 700 PEOPLE.

AND SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT PLUS ALMOST A HALF, LET'S SAY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT OTHERS OR A ROOMMATE THERE.

AND SO IF YOU ARE, LET'S SAY HALF HAVE A ROOMMATE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 1500 PEOPLE IN THIS ONE SPOT.

WE HAVE TWO, TWO ENTRANCES, TWO EXITS. I GUESS THEY FUNCTION THE SAME WAY, BOTH ON ELMDALE.

SO IN EFFECT, WE ARE ASKING THIS, THIS COMPLEX TO EVERY MORNING FOR WORK TO EMPTY.

YOU KNOW, AROUND LET'S SAY 7 A.M., 8 A.M. TO EMPTY.

TWO SUPER WALMARTS PACKED BASICALLY ON BLACK FRIDAY.

IF THEY WERE PACKED ON BLACK FRIDAY TO EMPTY WITHIN AN HOUR TO WORK.

AND THEN AGAIN AT FIVE TO COME BACK. ALL WITHIN THIS, THESE TWO ENTRANCES ON ELMDALE.

THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A MASSIVE MASSIVE INFLUX OF OF TRAFFIC.

I KNOW WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ALWAYS THE COMPLAINT OF, OH, THAT INCREASES TRAFFIC.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS SO CONCENTRATED ON ONE, ONE SECTION OF ONE STREET WITH TWO ENTRANCES.

I HAVE A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION ON ON THE EFFECT ON I-20, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF GET YOUR INSIGHT AND STAFF'S INSIGHT INTO POTENTIALLY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 1500 CARS, TWO WALMART PARKING LOTS EMPTYING AND COMING BACK IN EVERY DAY FOR TEN YEARS, ALL IN ONE SECTION OF A ROAD. I MEAN, I FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET IN THEIR HOUSES. THIS IS THIS IS NOT EVEN NEXT LEVEL TRAFFIC.

THIS IS MIND BOGGLING TRAFFIC. HOW WHAT WHAT'S OUR WHAT STAFF'S THINKING ON THAT? A LOT OF THE A LOT OF CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEGUN YET.

IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND THEIR ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ROAD WIDTH, THE ROAD CONDITION, THE WHETHER A TURN LANE MAY BE REQUIRED OR NOT TO HELP EASE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

BUT THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY, BY OUR ENGINEERS.

I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

AND THOSE WILL BE HEAVILY CONSIDERED WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED WITH THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME.

SO WHEN YOU SAID A TURN LANE, IS THAT ON ELMDALE OR IS THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE ON ELMDALE.

IF THAT'S WHAT THEY FEEL IS BEST FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY.

SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THE WIDENING OF ELMDALE TO ADD A TURN LANE? THEIR SIDE WOULD BE THEIR HALF. WOULD BE THEIR, THEIR REQUIREMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THAT OR NOT.

IT'S TOO EARLY OF A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT WOULD BE AGAIN WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ENGINEERS TO TO DECIDE THAT FACTOR.

JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE DEGREE OR YOU SAID AS OF YET, THEY'VE NOT NECESSARILY CONDUCTED A PEAK OCCUPANCY PROJECTION TO DECIDE ON WHAT'S THE BEST ENTRY EXIT WAYS. CORRECT. THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE DETERMINED.

OKAY. AND I GUESS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND WHAT BLAISE WAS SHARING HOW ARE

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THEY TO FIND, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF THERE'S A DAY WHERE THEY'RE PROJECTING A BLACK FRIDAY WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF IT WERE TO EXCEED, YOU KNOW, THREE, 4 OR 5000 PEOPLE POTENTIALLY LEAVING AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THAT HOW IS THAT KIND OF DETERMINED IN THAT PROCESS OF WHERE YOU GUYS LAND? BEST ENTRY EXIT WAYS, WHETHER THE THE DENSITY IS AT ITS MAXIMUM CAPACITY OR NOT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'LL OKAY. WE'LL FACTOR IN THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW ANYTIME WE DO A SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT WE ALSO GOT TO THINK AHEAD IF THEY COULD EXPAND OR NOT. OKAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THIS PROPERTY'S MAX DENSITY COULD BE.

GOTCHA. THE OTHER ON THE TRAFFIC. SO THE, THE CONCERN ON THAT ON THAT SECTION OF ELMDALE BETWEEN HIGHWAY 80 AND PET HAVEN ROAD HAVING THOSE ARE THE TWO ENTRANCE EXITS FOR THAT WHOLE FOR THAT WHOLE COMPLEX WOULD BE A CONCERN.

BUT ALSO, REGARDLESS OF THE SITE PLAN, LOOKING AT I-20 AND HIGHWAY 80 THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT HERE, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE RED LINE UP TOP IF YOU'RE DRIVING FROM DALLAS TO ABILENE, THAT'S THE LEFT EXIT WHERE YOU I THINK IT SAYS 88, MAYBE WHERE YOU GET OFF AND GO ON TO BUSINESS 80, AND THEN YOU COME INTO ALL THE WAY INTO DOWNTOWN FOR THOSE LEAVING ABILENE, MOST OF MOST OF ABILENE, UNLESS YOU GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 20 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UP ON 351 AND THEN AND THEN HEAD OVER TO FORT WORTH ON I-20.

MOST OF ABILENE IS GOING TO BE GOING ON BUSINESS 80.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO FORT WORTH OR CLYDE OR ANYONE OUT THAT WAY. AND SO LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION, THIS INTERSECTION AT ELMDALE AND AND HIGHWAY 80, I-20 IS RIGHT BEFORE THE ON RAMP THAT EVERYONE USES TO GET ON I-20. AND SO IF THAT INTERSECTION AT ELMDALE AND 80 IS BACKED UP WITH 1500 CARS FOR AN HOUR IN THE MORNING, AN HOUR IN THE EVENING, AT THE VERY LEAST. AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A TECH STOP PROBLEM, BUT ABILENE'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.

WELL, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT MUCH SUDDEN INFLUX OF TRAFFIC ON ONE? THAT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR ARTERY FOR ABILENE RESIDENTS.

HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC? IS THAT IS THAT GOING TO BE A FULL STOP INTERSECTION AT 80 IN ELMDALE OR WHAT? HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? POSSIBLY WE'LL BE I WOULD IMAGINE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH TXDOT ON THAT CONCERN.

WE HAVE A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE THAT THEY WORK WITH.

AND WE MAY EVEN BRING THEM IN AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN, SINCE IT'S PRETTY.

MIGHT AS WELL SAY IT'S A BUDDING I 20, RIGHT? WE'RE ONLY A FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM IT. BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T, AND I UNDERSTAND SITE PLAN ENTRANCE EXITS MAY STILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT AS FAR AS WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE SITE PLAN ENDS UP BEING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A MASSIVE PROJECT THAT WILL AFFECT REALLY OUR MAIN ARTERY INTO ABILENE, THAT BUSINESS 80. AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT.

IS THAT FAIR? WELL, THIS THIS PARTICULAR PARK IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IN THE, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPERS HERE. THEY'RE PROVIDING BUS SERVICES FOR THEIR FOR THEIR WORKERS.

RIGHT. WHICH IS GOING TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THAT CONCERN OF TRAFFIC OF 1500 CARS GOING AT ONCE.

RIGHT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING A BUS SERVICE TO AND FROM THE SITE SINCE THIS ONE'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT, THAT THAT NEXT AI SITE, THAT DATA CENTER. THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY'RE IN PARTNERS WITH THEM, THAT THEY WILL BE OFFERING THAT BUS SERVICE, WHICH IS GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC.

AND THEN AS FAR AS AND EMILY HAS ALREADY KIND OF ANSWERED THIS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS THE RV PARK LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING IN THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE. THAT WOULD BE PASSED.

AND THEN THIS THIS IS MOVING ALONG AT THE SAME TIME. THIS HAS ALREADY COME THROUGH P AND Z. AND SO THIS PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MOVING ALONG AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WOULD NOT THIS WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN INTO THE OLD REGULATIONS.

THIS ENTIRE PROJECT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE NEW LDC.

IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. AND WHAT THE WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING? THAT'S A PART OF THE NEWLY ADOPTED ONE CAN BE AS A CONDITION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONCERNS THERE. AND WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THIS DESIGN, THE THE ENGINEER DID REACH OUT AND WE GAVE HIM A COPY OF THE

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PROPOSED WHAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE GOING TO LOOK AT LOOK LIKE SO THAT THEY COULD PRETTY MUCH DESIGN IT TO THE TO WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE IS GOING TO BE.

AND THEN FINALLY, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK ON ON THIS AND TRAFFIC I ASSUME IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN ISSUE.

WHILE WE'VE GOT YOU UP, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT CONCERN IF WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE STAFF'S KIND OF THINKING ON THIS? AND HOW WOULD YOU RELAY THAT TO OUR RESIDENTS WITH THE CONCERNS? I CAN DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT. ALL THIS AREA RIGHT NOW IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NOW.

YOU COULD HAVE A MANUFACTURING PLANT GO THERE WITHOUT EVEN COMING TO SEE YOU GUYS.

THIS PARTICULAR USE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

THAT'S WHY STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK INTO IT AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD.

WHILE WE'RE DOING THE DESIGN PHASE THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND WE'LL DEFINITELY OUR I KNOW OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, OUR ENGINEERS ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO FOLLOW ALL THE, ALL THE TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE IT DESIGNED AND FLOW AS SAFE AS WE CAN. AND AND LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE I KNOW TRAVIS IS KEEPING COUNT OF MY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW I SHOULD START SAYING CLOSE TO LAST.

SO THAT WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. I THINK THE ENTIRE COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE NEED MORE RV AND TEMPORARY HOUSING.

AND SO AS FAR AS THE DEMAND, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I THINK WE'RE AT LEAST I HAVE SOME CONCERNS IS THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, HEY, WE CAN'T MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, IS IT SOMETHING WHERE WHERE WE CAN GO, HEY, LET'S DO WE'RE GOOD WITH HALF OF THIS PROJECT HERE, BUT BREAK IT UP AND DO DO 500 SITES SOMEWHERE ELSE AND BREAK UP THIS TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. MAYBE YOU DO IT FIVE STREETS OVER, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT A THOUSAND TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN ONE SPOT AREA.

LET'S BREAK IT UP. YOU DO HALF HERE, HALF HERE.

YEAH, IT'S EXTRA COST ON THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY LAND SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT IS THAT IN THE DISCUSSION AS WELL OF 1000? WE KNOW WE NEED IT. BUT LET'S BREAK THIS UP INTO TWO SITES.

IT HASN'T BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION YET. I KNOW THIS AREA IS DESIGNED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGN FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC. RIGHT? THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE PROJECT AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

AND I KNOW STAFF DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDS THE CONCERN, BUT WE WILL TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHILE WE'RE DOING THE REVIEW.

THANKS, JIM. YES, SIR. TALK ABOUT OUR ABILITY FOR A MINUTE, TIM, TO ADD THINGS TO THE CUP THAT EVEN IF WE HAVEN'T PASSED AN ORDINANCE YET, WE CAN PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE CUP IF WE CHOOSE TO.

CORRECT. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO I THINK IT'S CLEAR ABOUT WHERE OUR CONCERNS REST.

AND I SHARE COUNCILMAN REAGAN'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CUP MIRROR SOME OF THIS.

I ALSO THINK A COUPLE THINGS IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY FALL UNDER THE RV PARK ORDINANCE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A TINY HOME COMMUNITY. THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

IS THAT CORRECT? ALL THE UNITS WILL BE REMOVED DUE TO THE LAND LEASE.

THAT'S PART OF THE LAND LEASE REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WITH THE LANDOWNER.

THAT ONCE THE PROJECT IS DONE, ALL UNITS WILL BE REMOVED.

OKAY. AND SO WHAT WILL TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT ABOUT ARE WE ARE THEY LEAVING STREETS BEHIND.

ARE THEY JUST REMOVING THE HOUSES? WHAT ARE THEY WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? DO YOU KNOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE THE DRIVES, THE PRIVATE STREETS WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

BUT ALL THE UNITS WILL BE REMOVED. ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL STAY AS FAR AS ELECTRICAL.

PLUMBING? SEWER? YES. THE ACTUAL PADS. YES, SIR.

OKAY, SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL STAY BEHIND THE STREETS WILL STAY BEHIND WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, PADS. THEY'LL JUST REMOVE THE HOMES. YES, SIR.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR. MORE. I KNOW THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING.

WE'VE GOT A SECOND ROUND OF THIS COMING. BUT I DO THINK IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT IT'S JUST SIMPLY COMMON SENSE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ELMDALE ROAD AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO NORTH AND SOUTH AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION RIGHT THERE.

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SOME OF IT UNLESS THERE'S A TRAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S TRAIN TRACKS RUN RIGHT THROUGH THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, TRAIN COMES THROUGH AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE CARS TRYING TO GET OUT GOING IF THEY TRY TO GO SOUTH, WHICH I GUESS MOST OF THESE WILL PROBABLY GO NORTH TO THE THE SHACKELFORD COUNTY AI PLANT.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. WHICH WILL REALLY JAM UP ELMDALE AND 80.

THAT'S ALREADY A PRETTY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

THERE'S A LOT OF COLLISION, T-BONE COLLISIONS, PEOPLE ROLLING OUT FROM THE STOP SIGN GOING NORTH ON ELMDALE ONTO 80.

AND AND SO SPEED LIMIT CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW TALKING TO TEXT.

IF THIS GOES THROUGH THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU TAMMY. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY CONGESTED INTERSECTION AND ELMDALE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE HAS DRIVEN IT OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT LIVE OUT THERE. IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT, I THINK, IN THE LONG RUN.

I'M I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE SINCE WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF BROKEN THE THRESHOLD OF TALKING ABOUT THE CUP VERSUS LET'S WAIT ON THE NEXT ITEM FOR THE CUP BECAUSE IT IS THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. OKAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE.

THE. REZONING, WHICH IS ITEM 21 FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

I, I SEE THE ZONING DECISION AS AN ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE USE IN THIS PLACE.

YES, SIR. I'M LESS COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YET.

YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CLARIFICATION TODAY. THIS IS THE FIRST READING, AND I WILL OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE WILL THIS WILL NOT BE FINAL ACTION TODAY.

THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING. THE FINAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN ON AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 21, WHICH IS NOT THE CUP? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SO I HAVE NINE CARDS, AND HISTORY TELLS THAT SOME PEOPLE WRITE ON THE CARD THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, AND THEN THEY DO. AND SOME PEOPLE WRITE, I WANT TO SPEAK AND THEN THEY DON'T.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ YOUR NAME, AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, JUST GET UP.

IF NOT, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY GET UP. I'LL. I'LL READ YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THE ITEM.

SO WE'LL START WITH KYLE HASPEL. WHICH IS TO SUPPORT THE ITEM.

CLINT DOAN WISHES TO SUPPORT THE ITEM. WADE HATCH WISHES TO SUPPORT THE ITEM.

IS THAT KAREN SAUNDERS IS OPPOSED AND JAN PRICE IS ALSO OPPOSED.

OPPOSING ITEM 21. AND SO THE ONES THAT WISH TO SPEAK ARE ROSS STRAIN.

YEAH. YEP. YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ANOTHER PROJECT FOR THIS DEVELOPER WHICH IS THE LARGER RV PARK ON ELMDALE ROAD A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH.

AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK VERY POSITIVELY ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS GUY.

YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF WORK FOR THE CITY. WE LIKE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.

WE TRY TO BE RESPONSIBLE WHEN WE DO IT, AND WE HAVE THE SAME FEELING ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT IS IN DISCUSSIONS TO DO THIS PROJECT.

ANY TIME THERE HAS BEEN A CONCERN OR A COMPLAINT FROM THE COUNTY, FROM THE CITY, FROM ANYBODY, THEY HAVE COME STRAIGHT TO US AND SAID, HOW CAN WE ALLEVIATE THESE PROBLEMS? HOW CAN WE MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER? WHAT CAN WE DO TO CONTAIN A MESS? WHAT CAN YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY HAVE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN IN WHAT I FEEL IS RESPONSIBLE APPROACH.

YOU KNOW, THE EROSION CONTROL IS ALL IN PLACE OUT THERE.

FIRST THING THEY DID WAS SET UP THEIR PERIMETER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE SPILLING OVER.

AND I'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THAT. AND THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, I THINK WOULD REALLY HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE STRESS ON OUR RENTAL MARKET. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF NEED AND DEMAND FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR OUR THREE COLLEGES THAT HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED HOUSES RIGHT NOW. AND MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE PLAN OF THIS TINY HOME COMMUNITY IS FOR IT TO BE FOR THE EXECUTIVES AND THE DECISION MAKERS ON THAT SHACKLEFORD COUNTY DATA CENTER PROJECT.

SO, YES, MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE GOING NORTH TO THAT PROJECT.

AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE BURDEN ON SOME OF THE AVAILABILITY ON OUR RENTAL MARKET WHICH IS REALLY,

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REALLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK IF WE KNOW WE NEED THE HOUSING AND WE KNOW WE NEED A PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE TO GO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO TO LET SOMEONE WHO'S A RESPONSIBLE BUILDER THAT WANTS TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND PROVIDE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO ANOTHER ONE LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, THEY'VE PROVEN TO ME THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THE WAY THEY BUILD THINGS.

AND SO IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF SMALLER ONES TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THIS NEED.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CONTAIN SOME OF THAT TO ONE SPOT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OH, BOY.

GARY, YOU CAN COME TELL ME YOUR LAST NAME. THAT WOULD BE GREG.

GREG. OKAY. SORRY I MESSED UP THE FIRST NAME AND STOPPED THE LAST NAME.

AND I DON'T WRITE VERY WELL EITHER, I APOLOGIZE.

GREG GARCIA. I AM THE DEVELOPER MISTER MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 21 RIGHT NOW AND NOT 22.

I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS I GUESS I HEARD SO FAR.

I THINK HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PACKAGE THAT WE HAD PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT, AS IT RELATES TO OUR OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN. THE TYPE OF UNITS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, THE PURPOSE IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE, ETCETERA. I THINK AND CLEARLY UNDERSTAND AND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN BEING TRAFFIC FOR SURE. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE FAMILY FOLKS. THEY'RE THEY'VE BEEN WITH THESE COMPANIES A LONG TIME. MOST OF THEM.

SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT I KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE I'VE WORKED WITH THEM AROUND THE COUNTRY IN DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THEY'RE GOOD FOLKS.

BUT BUT TO YOUR POINT, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS WE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW ON WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE BEST OPTION TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER. WE FOUND THIS SPOT. WE NEED SOMETHING IMMEDIATE.

WE NEED IT VERY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, FOLKS HAVE ASKED ME, CAN WE BUILD TOWNHOUSES? CAN WE BUILD HOMES? CAN WE DO THOSE THINGS? I THINK CLEARLY ABILENE NEEDS THAT.

AND I'VE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO SOME OTHER LARGE BUILDERS AND REGIONAL FOLKS TO COME AND LOOK AT ABILENE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO, BUT WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH FOLKS THAT DO.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN A PRETTY QUICK TIME FRAME.

I WILL SAY, AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD IT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL TODAY.

DOWN ZONING TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL WILL HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A REDUCED IMPACT FROM WHAT COULD OTHERWISE BE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S MUCH MERIT SINCE TODAY THERE'S NOTHING THERE. BUT THAT IS A TRUISM, IF YOU WILL. AS IT RELATES TO THE RV PARK ITSELF, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THESE ARE GOING TO BE PARK MODEL UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PULLED IN AND OUT. SO AS IT RELATES TO HEAVIER TRUCKS OR HEAVIER FREQUENT RVS GETTING PULLED IN OR OUT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY VEHICULAR LIGHTWEIGHT TRAFFIC.

AS IT GOES THROUGH THERE. WE ALSO AGREE THAT THAT INTERSECTION AT I 20 AND HIGHWAY 80 IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.

I THINK THAT'S WAY BEFORE WE COME. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T ALL FALL ON US, BUT WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO BE A COMMUNITY PARTNER. IN THE SOLUTION, WE ARE FULLY PREPARED TO WORK WITH TXDOT.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS OF HOW TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THERE.

A MINIMUM. IT SHOULD BE A FOUR WAY STOP WITH FLASHING REDS AT ALL.

STOP SIGNS TO INCREASE THAT SAFETY. AND I'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE NEXT ITEM.

I WILL, AND I GIVE ONE OTHER THING. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS ON ELMDALE IF THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

THANK YOU. THANKS, AL-ANBAR.

MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

I'M JOY AL-ANBAR AND I LIVE IN HAMBY. I DO NOT LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

I LIVE RIGHT OFF. 351 AND I'M THE ONE THAT SEES ALL THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO THE ELMDALE RV PARK.

THAT'S RIGHT OFF ELMDALE THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO SPEAK TO, WHAT GREG SAID ABOUT HE WANTS TO BE A COMMUNITY PARTNER.

I HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING FOR THE HAMBY RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING IN,

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AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS RV PARK. GREG HAS BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT SPEAKING WITH THE RESIDENTS INDIVIDUALLY.

IF YOU TALK TO HIM, HE'S GOING TO COME AND TALK TO YOU.

HE'S. WE SPENT THAT EVENING AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING WITH JUDGE CROWLEY.

SHERIFF. BISHOP GREGG AND HAMBY WATER SUPPLY.

A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. ASKED. A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.

AND WE DID GET SOME FROM GREGG THAT SAID, WE WILL CHECK INTO IT.

WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. WHEN THEY LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT ON MESQUITE AND ELMDALE TO 40 FROM 55.

GREGG IS THE ONE THAT PUT THE LIGHTS UP, YOU KNOW, LOWER YOUR SPEED, LOWER YOUR SPEED.

HE'S THE ONE THAT DID THAT. I'VE HAD RESIDENTS OF HAMBY CONTACT ME AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS POTHOLE.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? I MESSAGED GREGG, AND IT'S NOT WHERE HIS TRUCKS WERE DRIVING, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS SO BIG, HIS GROUP WENT AHEAD AND TOOK CARE OF IT. HE IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.

HE WANTS TO BE A PART OF IT. HE EVEN BROUGHT SOME OF HIS EMPLOYEES, THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, TO THE TOWN HALL MEETING SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT HE DEALS WITH.

SO THEY KNOW IT'S NOT JUST, OH, WE GO IN AND WE BUILD AND EVERYTHING'S GOOD.

THEY GOT TO SEE RESIDENTS UPSET. SO GREG IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO DO THIS.

I BELIEVE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE DO IT, IT SHOULD BE HIM.

HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. HE REALLY IS COMMUNITY MINDED.

AND HE WILL WORK WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ERIC JOHNSON. ERIC JOHNSON I'M COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER PAUL JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, 4633 SOUTH 14TH.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND GREG HAS BEEN WORKING AND WITH ME AND, AND TO HELP FIND LOCATIONS AROUND. AND IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO FIND ANYTHING THAT HAS GOOD INGRESS, EGRESS, SIZE ZONING AND ABILITY FROM A UTILITY STANDPOINT TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE SIZE OF THIS OF THIS PROJECT. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A TRAFFIC IMPACT POINT.

LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INCLUDES RETAIL SERVICES. WE JUST WERE ANNOUNCED THAT BASS PRO SHOPS COMING, AND I GUARANTEE YOU 4 OR 5000 CARS PER DAY IS GOING IN AND OUT OF A BASS PRO SHOP, WOULD MAKE IS GOING TO MAKE A HUGE, HUGE IMPACT IN AN AREA OVER THERE AT 351 AND I-20.

JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE AND GRIFFITH ROAD AND ALL THAT I CAN SEE A HUGE PROBLEM.

THAT DEVELOPER OVER THERE IS ALSO A CLIENT OF MINE, AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO SOME SOME BIG ISSUES WITH TRYING TO MAKE THAT WORK.

BUT THE POINT IS, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THESE THINGS WORK.

I WAS TRACKING THE ABILENE ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS HOUSE RENT LIST BACK TO FEBRUARY.

THERE WERE SIX AND A HALF PAGES AND ABOUT 50 HOMES PER PAGE, SO 350 400 RENTAL PROPERTIES WERE AVAILABLE IN FEBRUARY.

TODAY THERE'S ONE PAGE. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 50 PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR LEASE OFF THE ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS RENTAL LIST.

AND MY HOTEL DEVELOPER CLIENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO BUILD AS FAST AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU TRY TO RENT OR TRY TO RENT A ROOM IN IN TOWN RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE, $400 A ROOM, AND THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.

TO, FOR FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ACCOMMODATIONS.

THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND SO THROUGH SEVERAL MEETINGS AGAIN WITH THE JUDGE IN THE COUNTY, AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF AND AND AS MANY PEOPLE IN HEADS THAT WE COULD GET AROUND GREG'S SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHO DO I NEED TO TALK TO? LET'S GET A MEETING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. LET'S LET'S TALK WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA.

IT'S BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO TO DO.

AND HE DOES THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I'M NOT I HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN THOSE PROJECTS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE SAME SIMILAR TYPE DEAL.

AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC FLOW GOES IT'S IT'S IT JUST IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND I THINK THAT HE'LL DO THAT. BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS LOCATION.

THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE MAYOR ON THIS ITEM.

WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 21.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?

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COME ON. SPEAK! WILSON. I'M WILSON WALLACE. I'M AN ATTORNEY IN TOWN.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'VE WORKED WITH GREG SOME ON SOME OF THE ACQUISITIONS OF LAND FOR THE OTHER PROJECT AS WELL AS HELPED HIM PURCHASE A RESIDENCE IN THE AREA. YOU KNOW, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SAME THING.

LIKE THOSE GUYS HAVE SAID, GREG. AND THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

I'VE SEEN THAT IN EVERY TRANSACTION THEY'VE DONE.

YOU KNOW, HE'S INVESTED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, BOUGHT A PLACE HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS. THEY'VE DONE THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE JOB BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE TRUE PROFESSIONALS.

AND LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, I'VE SEEN NOTHING OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING ON EVERY DEAL AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THE BEST JOB POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY.

AND I'M IN FAVOR. THANKS, MELISSA. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 21, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? HELLO, MY NAME IS JAN PRICE. I LIVE ON ELMDALE ROAD, 1181 ELMDALE ROAD.

I ALSO HAVE 1125 ON ELM ROAD. WE LOVE OUR CITY.

EVERYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES ABILENE. I BOUGHT ON ELMDALE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY.

THAT WAY I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN PROTECTED. I DON'T MIND IF THEY CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT WE CAN HANDLE ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FRONTIER CITY. I WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE THAT.

AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE.

MY NEIGHBORS, THEY WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER ONCE, ANOTHER BUSINESS OWNER ANOTHER.

THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS ALMOST NOW BECAUSE WHEN THE RAILROAD, THIS LITTLE STREET IS NOT EVEN A HALF A MILE.

SO THERE IS OTHER PROPERTY, BUT IT'S OWNED BY THAT FAMILY, THAT THEY COULD GET AN EXIT OFF 80 IF THEY'D BUY A PIECE OF LAND OFF 80. AND IT IS FOR SALE. SO LIKE I SAID, I AM WE'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

WE WANT TO BE PROTECTED. I'VE BEEN THERE 33 YEARS.

BUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE, THAT'S TOO MANY FOR OUR LITTLE STREET.

500. DO THEY WANT TO IMPROVE IT? THESE PEOPLE ARE NICE, BUT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO MUCH.

IT'S TOO MUCH FOR US AND OUR NEIGHBORS. AND WE LOVE ABILENE, BUT WE NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM A THOUSAND PEOPLE BEING ON THIS LITTLE TEENY STREET. AND THAT'S THE ONLY EXIT.

IF THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING OR SOMETHING THAT GOES WRONG TO GET AN AMBULANCE IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE.

SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THIS BE CONSIDERED BY YOU ALL AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS YOU ALL HAVE SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE OF THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. STILL, ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 21, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? I THINK SHE ALREADY HAD HER CARD CALLED. CAN SHE STILL COME UP? CAN'T HEAR YOU. SHE HAD HER CARD. CAN SHE STILL COME UP AND SPEAK? MY NAME IS KAREN SAUNDERS. I LIVE OFF THE COUNTY ROAD, PET HAVEN.

AND WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE TRAFFIC, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION.

WHAT YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, IS ALL OF THE ALREADY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT WE SEE COMING DOWN THAT ROAD.

WE HAVE BIG DUMP TRUCKS. WE HAVE SEMIS ALL THE TIME CUTTING BETWEEN I-20 AND 80.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THE TRAINS COME THROUGH AND SOME OF THEM COME THROUGH VERY SLOW, PEOPLE GET IMPATIENT AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WILL CUT DOWN PET HAVEN ROAD.

AND RIGHT NOW, THAT IS NOT A VERY WELL MAINTAINED COUNTY ROAD.

OR IT HAS TO BE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.

BUT IT'S NOT VERY WELL MAINTAINED. WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THERE, AND WHEN YOU START PUTTING ALL THAT HEAVY TRAFFIC ON IT, WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH A BIGGER HOLE. AND I'M OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER CATEGORY BECAUSE IT'S MORE HESITANT THAN OPPOSED.

WHAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND HOW YOU PLAN ON HANDLING IT MAKES REASONABLE SENSE.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THERE.

WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH OVER THERE WHERE WE COULD HAVE FIELD FIRES AND ANYTHING ELSE.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THERE, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAY OUT OF THERE.

IF THE OTHER TRAFFIC STARTS DOWN THAT COUNTY ROAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CUT ROAD IN THROUGH THOSE FIELDS TO GET OUT OF THERE.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD MORNING.

MAYOR, COUNCIL. JORDAN HIBBS WITH MPROTECT HIBBS AND TODD.

I ALSO HAVE QUARTER NORRIS WITH ME WITH WITH MY FIRM.

WE'RE THE ENGINEER FOR GREG ON THIS PROJECT AND HIS OTHER PROJECTS IN TOWN.

AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY ENGINEERING TECHNICAL QUESTIONS IF THEY COME UP ON THIS ONE OR THE NEXT ITEM.

SO THANK YOU. JORDAN. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT THIS IS JUST TO MOVE IT TO THE FINAL READING.

THIS IS NOT A FINAL ACTION TODAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO MOVED.

HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 22, WHICH IS THE CUP ON THIS PROJECT.

[22. Ordinance (First Reading) CUP-2025-18: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Take Action on a Request from the Owner, to Apply a Conditional Use Permit to a Property to Allow an RV Park. Located At 1202 Elmdale Road. (Tim Littlejohn)]

AND COUNCILMAN REAGAN HAD ASKED THIS TO BE PULLED.

I'LL LET YOU LEAD OFF. THANK YOU. SO ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN TIM, WHERE'S TIM? ARE YOU STILL HERE? IT'S COMING. OH, OH, OH, THERE HE IS.

ON THIS ONE. SO CAN YOU. SINCE WE'RE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CAN YOU JUST GIVE KIND OF A12 SENTENCE OVERVIEW FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THIS PROPERTY LONG TERM.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS TIED TO THE PARTICULAR USE THAT IS GRANTED OR POSSIBLY GRANTED BY THIS COUNCIL.

IF IT WAS TO EVER GO AWAY, THE THE PERMIT GOES AWAY.

SO THEREFORE, THE THE RV PARK WOULD CEASE OPERATIONS UNTIL A POSSIBLE NEW APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A NEW ONE.

AND AT THAT TIME, IT COULD BE RECONSIDERED BY THIS COUNCIL.

AND SO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROTECTS THE CITY FOR THOSE WITH THE CONCERNS OF IN TEN YEARS, ONCE EVERYTHING'S BUILT AND THE DEMAND IS NO LONGER THERE.

THIS PROTECTS THE CITY FROM THIS GOING DOWNHILL AND IT BEING JUST A AN EMPTY, RUNDOWN, UNUSED, FULL OF DILAPIDATED HOUSES AT THAT POINT. THIS ALLOWS US TO BASICALLY FORCE THE DEVELOPER TO GO IN AND CLEAR.

CLEAR THE LAND. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY.

AND AS FAR AS AS THIS PERMIT GOES, AND I THINK COUNCILMAN BEARD TOUCHED ON IT AT THE END OF THIS, IF THIS PERMIT IS NOT RENEWED, LET'S SAY AT THE END OF TEN YEARS THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND CLEARS OFF THE THE HOUSES, THE TINY HOMES AND THE PADS REMAIN. THE UTILITIES REMAIN, THE THE ROADS REMAIN, BUT THE ACTUAL LITTLE STRUCTURES ON TOP GET TAKEN AWAY.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND IS THAT A CITY COST? IS THAT A DEVELOPER COST? WHO BEARS THE BURDEN OF REMOVING THE THE HOUSES? THE DEVELOPER? OKAY. AND AS FAR AS THIS IS WHERE THE SITE PLAN WILL FACTOR IN, OR THIS IS UNRELATED TO THE TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S UNRELATED.

ONCE WE APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN, DISCUSSION MOVES FORWARD, BUT IT DOESN'T COME AGAIN BEFORE COUNCIL.

ONCE THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.

COUNCIL IS NO LONGER ABLE TO PUT CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ON IT AT THAT POINT.

IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. THE ONLY WAY WE COME BACK TO YOU IS IF YOU PUT A TERM LIMIT ON THE PERMIT.

RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN YEAH, AGAIN, MY, MY CONCERNS ARE THE SAME ONES THAT, THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE.

I AS IT IS NOW JUST TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO GIVE DIRECTION POLICY DIRECTION AS IT IS NOW THE TRAFFIC IS SO SUCH A BIG ISSUE, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT FOR POTENTIALLY ALL OF ABILENE, IT HAVING A MASSIVE EFFECT ON THAT 80 I-20 AND THEN THE COST IF WE'RE EXPANDING THE ROAD.

ELMDALE. DOING TURN LANES DOUBLING IT. IF WE'RE DOING STUFF WITH TXDOT, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE BURYING HALF THE BURDEN AND TEX-DOT

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IS DOING THE OTHER HALF, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ANY TAX REVENUE THAT WE MAY GET FROM THIS PROJECT, WHICH SHOULD BE SIZABLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THROW THAT IMMEDIATELY INTO EXPANDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THERE, WHETHER IT'S THE ROADS OR I-20. AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY WANT CLARIFICATION BEFORE THE NEXT VOTE ON SOME OF THIS SOME OF THESE ISSUES COSTS PROJECTED AND TRAFFIC BECAUSE AS, AS OF NOW, I JUST MY THINKING IS, HEY, I LOVE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING GOOD QUALITY TINY HOMES HERE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE SPEAKS HIGHLY OF HIM. AND THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF SHOULD THIS BE DONE? I THINK FOR ME, IT'S HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE? AND I THINK IT MAY BE IT FEELS LIKE ONE BIG BITE, AND MAYBE IT'S TOO BIG OF A BITE RIGHT NOW. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MAY BE THAT WE GO, HEY, DO 500 INSTEAD OF 1000. OR OR THERE NEEDS TO BE A, IN MY OPINION, A CHANGE THERE.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE, GIVE A HEADS UP.

THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY THINKING IS. BUT I'M, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK AND WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THINKS.

I JUST HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OPENING THIS, THIS AREA UP TO. TIM, DO WE KNOW WORKING WITH TXDOT, HOW QUICKLY COULD THEY GIVE US OPTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT WE COULD DO TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC WITHIN THIS AREA? AND IS THAT EVEN TIED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? TRAFFIC IS TIED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE THE ANSWERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BY THE FINAL READ.

THAT TAKES SOME TIME. LUCKILY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THE DEVELOPER AND THE ENGINEERS ARE HERE FROM EDE.

THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THE CONCERNS AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO RESEARCH THAT.

RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE DEFINITE CONFIRMED EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED AND WHAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE BY THE FINAL READ.

THOSE THOSE ITEMS TEND TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M NOT CONFIDENT WE MAY HAVE IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE FALSE HOPE TO YOU GUYS.

EXPECTING IT TEND TO BE REACTIVE. THEY WAIT TILL THE PROBLEM IS THERE AND THEN THEY WORK ON A SOLUTION AND NOT RIGHT.

BUT I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME SOME KIND OF DIRECTION BY THEN.

BUT I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW FIRM THAT WILL BE.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY PROMISES THAT I CAN'T KEEP.

SO. SORRY. JUST TIMELINE WISE, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THEY BEGAN CONSTRUCTION AND WAIT UNTIL THERE WAS A PROBLEM.

THERE'S NO KIND OF TELLING WHEN WE COULD DO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, ROAD REPAIRS, ALL OF THAT. THE TIMING OF THOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY LENGTHY BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE AND THEN US BEING ABLE TO TACKLE THAT.

YES, SIR. WELL, THE ELMDALE WOULD BE A CITY RIGHT DECISION WITH HALF OF IT, HALF THE BURDEN PAID FOR BY THE BY THE DEVELOPER.

YES, SIR. AND THEN THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE A TEXTILE, I THINK.

YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN REAGAN SHARED IT EARLIER.

I, I PRETTY MUCH PHASED MINE INTO TWO CATEGORIES.

IF IF WE'RE GIVING QUOTE UNQUOTE SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION.

I THINK NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS OF RESIDENCY WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS JUST AND SHANE SHARED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ALONG WITH LYNN EARLIER JUST THE THOUGHTS OF THE FIRE LANE STREETS.

THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

ACCESS ENTRY, EXIT. AND THEN THE SECOND CATEGORY, IF YOU WILL, IF WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE CATEGORIES, I THINK IN TERMS OF CITYWIDE, JUST AS YOU AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT, WHAT WOULD THE CONGESTION SITUATION LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF VEHICLE TRIPS? AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE YET TO DO THAT. SO YOU ANSWERED THAT EARLIER.

BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING TOP OF MIND HEALTH PROTOCOL WASTE WATER AND ALL OF THOSE AND HOW IT IMPACTS THOSE THAT HAVE SPOKEN EARLIER THAT ALREADY LIVE IN THE, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA ARE THE TWO CONCERNS THAT I HAVE.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST RESIDENT AND CITYWIDE CONCERNS.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS OF THE DEVELOPER MORE THAN ANYTHING.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE WILLING TO, ON THE FRONT END, HAVE THE REPUTATION.

GREG, WHEREVER HE'S AT THAT YOU HAVE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO SPEAK WITH RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY, WHO TRAVEL TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO THANK YOU.

HAMBY. THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT JUST THE RELATIONAL EQUITY THAT YOU'VE BUILT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT SAYS A LOT TO YOU AS WELL, BUT THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. TIM, DO YOU KNOW AND THE QUESTION MAY BE BETTER POSED TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT YOU MENTIONED BUS SERVICE.

AND SO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE WORKERS AT THE DATA CENTER, RIGHT?

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YES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN OPEN ANYBODY CAN MOVE IN THERE TYPE SCENARIO.

NO, SIR. SO DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF BUS SERVICE, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW MANY A DAY? I MEAN THAT WOULD RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC QUITE A BIT, BUT YEAH, AT LEAST DURING THE WORK DAY WOULDN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WALMART AND THE STORE AND MOVIES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.

DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT? THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR HIM.

OKAY. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW. YEAH. WE'RE NOT PUBLIC HEARING YET.

OKAY. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON TRAFFIC.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. I MEAN, THE BUILDING, A DATA CENTER OUT THERE, AND I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. SO BUT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MAYBE EVEN APARTMENTS.

SO ON YEOMAN'S WAY, WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE CALLED CANTERBURY CROSSING THAT'S 428 UNITS THAT COME OUT ON YEOMAN'S THAT COME OUT ON JUDGE OR GO OUT THE OTHER WAY. SO THAT'S 400 CARS AT ONE TIME.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WALMART SCENARIO, HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PROBLEM WITH CONGESTION OR TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF CANTERBURY CROSSING APARTMENTS, WHICH IS 428 UNITS? IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING OUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

BUT I JUST WANT TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 1000, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.

BUT LITERALLY WE HAVE 428 UNITS ON YEOMAN'S, WHICH IS A SMALL SIDE STREET, AND IT HANDLES THE TRAFFIC.

SO TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TO DEAL WITH THAT AND THAT THAT IS A HARD, YOU KNOW, CROSSING RIGHT THERE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH TEX-DOT ON THAT.

BUT GETTING TEX-DOT TO MOVE FAST IS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE KNOW THAT. SO SHANE KNOWS THAT AS GOOD AS ANYBODY.

SO BUT ANYWAY, THESE ARE ISSUES. THEY'RE VALID ISSUES.

BUT I JUST KIND OF WANT TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

PERSPECTIVE SOMETIMES ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HANDLE ITSELF.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC. NOT DENYING THIS ANYONE ELSE.

AND JUST A QUESTION. THIS IS MORE FOR THE SECOND TIME IT COMES BACK.

BUT INSTEAD OF DELINEATING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS WITH THE CUP RELATED TO THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TO THE ORDINANCE, CAN WE JUST SAY IT MUST COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED IN JANUARY 2026 AND THE LANGUAGE.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TODAY. I'M ASKING SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT IN JANUARY, CAN WE JUST SAY IT COMPLIES WITH THAT AND AND NOT MAKE A WHOLE BIG LONG LIST.

SO THANK YOU. SO THE THE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS, WE'VE GOT A SITUATION IN ABILENE WITH THE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING AND HOTEL ROOMS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF AND FULL, AND AND THERE'S A LOT OF.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT. I THINK THIS IS THE DEVELOPER TRYING TO REACT TO THE SITUATION IN A MANNER THAT CAN BE EXECUTED QUICKLY. IT'S IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION OVERALL. YOU KNOW, WE WE PASSED THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT. IT'S A PERFECT USE IN THAT LOCATION.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND CONCEPT PLAN, AND THE CURRENT PLAN OF OPERATION AND CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING RAISED HERE.

SO I'M WILLING TO PUSH THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT THIS PLAN OF OPERATION, WHICH IS THE ONLY TOUCH POINT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS, WOULD BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND CONSIDER THINGS LIKE THE ROAD WIDTHS, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THE SOLID WASTE REMOVAL, THE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT PLAN.

THEY'RE THERE. IT'S BASICALLY A SITE PLAN FOR THE TINY HOMES.

RIGHT. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OR THE IDEA, BUT THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF WE PASS THIS ON AS A CUP WITHOUT ADDRESSING THEM AND PLACING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S IT.

THAT WE'RE WE'RE DONE WITH OUR ABILITY TO INFLUENCE A PRIVATE OWNER'S OPERATION OF THAT OF THAT PROPERTY.

YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR THE SECOND READING.

I WOULD LIKE THE PLAN OF OPERATION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

OKAY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. TIM. YES, SIR. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 22? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. ALL I NEED TO GO FIRST.

PLEASE DO. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. GREG, THE DEVELOPER OF COTTAGES OF THE FRONTIER.

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A COUPLE OF THINGS. TRAFFIC. I WAS KIND OF HITTING ON IT EARLIER.

AND I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS, AND ACTUALLY, I WAS NOT AWARE OF A SPLITTING ON INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

IF THAT'S A POLICY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M USED TO ANYWHERE WE'RE USED TO.

WE'RE USED TO BEARING 100% OF THE COST. I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, WE BEAR 100% OF THE COST.

I KNOW Y'ALL'S COUNCIL IS HERE. MY COUNCIL WOULD GET MAD AT ME AND MAKING A COMMITMENT IN A PUBLIC MEETING, I'M SURE.

BUT BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USED TO. SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH AND YOU KNOW, DECEL LANES, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

I THINK WORKING WITH TEX DOT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I, I'M, I AGREE THAT TEX DOT PROBABLY DOESN'T MOVE THAT FAST.

HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK THEY'RE EXTREMELY ENGAGED WITH ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON, AND I THINK WE WILL SEE THEM MOVE MUCH SWIFTER TO AT LEAST ALLOW THINGS LIKE POSSIBLY A FOUR WAY STOP AT THAT INTERSECTION. STREET LIGHT MIGHT BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT BUT AT LEAST THAT TO TO ADD SOME SAFETY TO IT.

I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED OF THAT BEING FULLY APPLIED TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

WHATSOEVER. WE WILL COMPLY WITH THAT 100%. NO CONCERNS THERE.

YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT EMERGENCY ACCESS AND ROADWAYS.

WE HAVE NO DEAD END STREETS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

OUR STREETS ARE ALL FULLY PAVED. WE HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.

WE DON'T ALLOW PARKING ON THEIR STREETS. LET'S CALL THEM PRIVATE DRIVES, IF YOU WILL.

AND AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, BECAUSE I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY THOUSANDS OF BIG NUMBER 2300 IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WE HAVE UP THERE ON ELMDALE ROAD NORTH.

IT'S BIGGER THAN WE'VE EVER DONE. SO ARE ALL THESE PROJECTS.

I MEAN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS IN THE WORLD UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

SO ALL OF US ARE DEALING WITH THAT PIECE. TO THAT END, I WOULD ALSO HAVE NO OBJECTION TO CREATING A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO AND SPLITTING IT IN HALF WHERE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD APPLY TO A PHASE ONE, AND WE PROCEED FORWARD.

AFTER WE OPEN, WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS A LITTLE BIT.

WE NEED TO EXPAND. WE COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO I WOULD BE ALSO OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. I COULD TRY TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT MAYBE IT'D BE BEST IF IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ASK ME A QUESTION THAT I HADN'T HIT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HITTING WHATEVER'S ON THE TOP OF YOUR MIND.

BESIDES WHAT I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, I HAVE TWO.

YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. GRAY IS THE DEVELOPER. I'M GOING TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS.

BUT ONCE THE QUESTIONS ARE DONE, THAT'LL BE YOUR TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TWO QUESTIONS. TALK ABOUT THE BUS SERVICE.

WHAT THE CAPACITY GOING TO BE, HOW OFTEN IS IT GOING TO RUN THAT KIND OF THING? AND THEN TWO, ASSUMING APPROVAL IN JANUARY, HOW LONG UNTIL YOU WOULD BE OPEN? SO AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION, BUSSING WILL BE AN OPTION.

IT WILL NOT BE A REQUIREMENT. NORMALLY WE'LL SEE PROBABLY 25 TO 30% OF THE FOLKS IN THERE USE IT 50 PERSONS PER BUS.

SO IT'S 1 TO 50 AS A REDUCTION. IN THIS CASE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING THERE.

I MEAN, NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMOTE HERE.

SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE 100% FULL. NUMBER TWO, A LOT OF THE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE HERE.

MIGHT NEED TO GO TO THE DATA CENTER FOR 2 OR 3 HOURS A DAY.

AND THEY WORK AT HOME, REMOTE WORK THE REST OF THE TIME.

BUT THEY NEED TO BE IN THE AREA AND IN THE MARKET.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BUSSING AND KIND OF THE EVERYBODY IN OR EVERYBODY OUT AT ONE TIME QUESTION.

AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROCESS ON TIMING WE ARE PREPARED, UPON APPROVAL IN JANUARY TO START IMMEDIATE CONSTRUCTION, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

WE WOULD ANTICIPATE FIRST UNITS TO BE AVAILABLE APRIL 1ST, AND WE'D HAVE ALL THE UNITS IN NO LATER THAN AUGUST 1ST.

AND THESE ARE BEING MANUFACTURED IN MANSFIELD.

MANSFIELD, TEXAS. SO VERY CLOSE. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF GREG WHILE HE'S HERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. CAN YOU GET TEXDOT TO MOVE THAT FAST? STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 22. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL. NO. I'M SORRY. JORDAN HIBBS WITH HIM.

PROTECT HIBBS AND TODD AGAIN. WE'RE THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

ONE THING THAT I COULD OFFER UP, AND I DON'T KNOW, TIM, IF WE COULD NECESSARILY PUT IT AS A CONDITION OF THE CUP, BUT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BE DONE. IMMEDIATELY.

DO THAT ANALYSIS NOW, GET COUNTS NOW AND THEN ACCOUNT FOR WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY DO THAT.

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AND LOOK WHAT THAT COMES OUT OF THAT REPORT AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD.

I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD OPTION. SO JUST SOMETHING TO ADD.

THANK YOU. JORDAN. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 22? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY ON THIS. THIS IS MOVING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN YATES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

AND I WILL ASK JESSE POTTEBAUM, THE ZOO DIRECTOR, TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[26. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving a Contract with Sedalco Construction Services for the Abilene Zoo Phase 1 of Africa Series of Exhibits Project (Jesse Pottebaum)]

ITEM 26. JESSE POTTEBAUM, ZOO DIRECTOR. I'M HERE TO AWARD THE CONTRACT OR ASK FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE AWARD CONTRACT TO SELL CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO ABILENE ZOOS.

ZOO IMPROVEMENTS ABILENE VOTERS APPROVED THE INSURANCE ISSUANCE OF $15 MILLION OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO IMPROVE THE ZOO ON NOVEMBER 7TH OF 2023. THE CITY OF ABILENE DETERMINED THE BEST VALUE REQUESTED FOR PROPOSALS SHOULD BE THE PROJECT BASED ON THE PROJECT COMPLEXITY AND TIME CONSTRAINTS. FIVE PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED ON OCTOBER 5TH AND OCTOBER 12TH FOR THE ADVERTISEMENTS OF THE PROJECT.

THE CITY OF ABILENE COMPLETED EVALUATIONS OF ALL PROPOSALS AND DETERMINED XADAGO CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WOULD BE THE BEST VALUE OF THE TOTAL OF 24,630,000. GROVER NELSON FOUNDATION HAS PAID THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FEES AND WILL BE COVERING THE FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, JESSE, I'VE GOT TWO. IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON, YOU YOU CAN TACKLE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT. DECEMBER OR HALF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER IF THE ZOO WERE TO LOSE REVENUE IN THAT SECTION.

HOW BIG OF A HIT WOULD THE ZOO TAKE IF YOU WEREN'T OPEN? LET'S SAY OR CONSTRUCTION WAS HAPPENING ON THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE HOLIDAY SEASON, WHAT KIND OF REVENUE HIT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT WHEN WE DO THIS CONSTRUCTION? IT'S GOING TO IMPACT ABOUT 25% OF THE ZOO'S WALKWAYS.

AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE ZONE CALLED AFRICA THAT WON'T BE ABLE FOR ZOO PATRONS TO LOOK AT.

DURING THAT TIME, WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN DURING A BOO AT THE ZOO, WHICH IS IN OCTOBER, AS WELL AS CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION.

WE DO TWO MAJOR FUNDRAISING EVENTS, AND THAT BRINGS IN ABOUT $1.2 MILLION, 1.2 MILLION FROM FROM OCTOBER THROUGH END OF THE YEAR, BASICALLY, YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 2,025% OF THE ZOO CLOSED DUE TO CONSTRUCTION. YOU'LL STILL LOSE THAT 1.2, OR YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GAIN THAT 1.2.

WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GAIN IT, BUT IT WILL INHIBIT GUESTS SATISFACTION.

SO WHETHER THE GUESTS ON THE FIRST SEASON, WE ALREADY HAVE A MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO COVER THAT FOR THE FIRST SEASON OF 2026, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PUSH OF OUR CARIBBEAN COVE RENOVATIONS, WHICH IS A WHOLE BRAND NEW EXHIBIT WHERE GUESTS CAN SEE THE ANIMALS YEAR ROUND.

AND SO THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION.

APPROXIMATE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO MARKET THAT FOR THE FIRST YEAR. BUT TO HAVE THAT INHIBITED TWO YEARS IN A ROW, TWO SEASONS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WORD DOES GET AROUND THAT.

HEY, THE CONSTRUCTION STILL GOING. DON'T GO TO THE ZOO UNTIL 2027 2028 BECAUSE OF THIS AND THIS AND THIS, AND WE NEED THAT AREA TO BE OPEN FOR THE SECOND SEASON, FOR BOO AT THE ZOO AND CHRISTMAS.

AND RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT PROJECT GUIDELINES, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED IN MID JUNE OF 2027.

THAT IS CORRECT. THEY GAVE US 500 DAYS AND THAT WOULD BE RIGHT AT JUNE OF 2027.

OKAY. GOING PAST THAT WHICH WE ALREADY WE ALL KNOW INCLEMENT WEATHER, WE'RE GOING TO RUN AT LEAST 30 TO 45 DAYS PAST THAT DUE DATE.

SO WE'RE NOW EVEN PASSING OUR HAYMAKING DAYS, WHICH IS SUMMER MONTHS WHEN KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL.

AND SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OPENING FOR THAT FUNDRAISING EVENT OF BOO AT THE ZOO AND CHRISTMAS.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING, YEAH, MID JUNE, BUT REALLY LATE JULY, MAYBE EARLY AUGUST.

REALISTICALLY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN IF IT WAS DELAYED EVEN FURTHER, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY BY FIVE, SIX MONTHS, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE POTENTIAL FOR THE 1.2 MILLION LOSS.

IS THAT FAIR? OKAY. AND I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S NOT A POTENTIAL 1.2 MILLION LOSS.

BUT THERE WILL BE A DENT IN THAT 1.2 MILLION BECAUSE OF GUEST SATISFACTION OR GUEST COMPLAINTS OF SAYING,

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DON'T GO TO THE ZOO. HALF OF IT'S NOT OPEN. IT'LL BE OVEREXAGGERATED, JUST LIKE HUMANS DO.

IT'S NOT 25%. IT'S GOING TO SAY THE WHOLE ZOO IS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. SO IN TOTAL FOR THOSE LET'S SAY TWO MONTHS OR SO YOU WOULD MAKE 1.2 NORMALLY.

CORRECT. YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A HIT BECAUSE IF CONSTRUCTION WENT OVER AND SO MAYBE YOU'D LOSE 25% OF THAT.

SO MAYBE YOU'D LOSE 300,000 OF LOST REVENUE. OKAY.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOSS REVENUE OF 300,000.

THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. GREAT. OKAY. THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANK YOU. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, CHRISTMAS AT THE ZOO IS AMAZING.

YEAH. IT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

PLEASE, PLEASE COME AND SUPPORT US. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE LAST NIGHT, AND I HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE FEELING BETTER.

I KNOW I'M OVER IT, BUT WE JUST HAD THE THIRD KID GO DOWN LAST NIGHT, AND I WAS UP FOR SIX HOURS.

LONDON HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL STAND IN. YES. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF JESSE ON THIS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 26.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. TAMMY FOGLE, RESIDENT OF ABILENE. SO I HEAR EVERYONE LOVES THE BLUE OR THE CHRISTMAS AT THE ZOO.

ALL THE STUFF. SO I'M NOT ADDRESSING THE ZOO, PER SE. I'M JUST DOING A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN OF TRANSPARENCY, AND I WAS HOPING IT WOULD BE DISCUSSED.

AND IT'S NOT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED ALONG THE WAY, BECAUSE I'M A TRACKER OF BONDS, I'M THAT ABOVE AVERAGE CITIZEN IN THAT AREA. I KNOW WE SPEND ABOUT $2 MILLION ON THE SIDEWALKS TO NOT THE SIDEWALKS, THE PARKING LOTS. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

OR MORE. I CAN'T QUITE FIND THE INFORMATION TO DOCUMENT IT TODAY, BUT I KNOW I HAD THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE ROBERT HANNAH CORRECTED ME AND TOLD ME THAT WE DID ADDRESS PARKING LOTS, WHICH I FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT PARKING LOTS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SPENT WITH THIS $15 MILLION BOND.

SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE CONCERN I HAVE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING OVER THE $15 MILLION WITH THIS NEW ADDITION.

AND THE MEMO SAID, I BELIEVE IT'S 13 MILLION.

AND IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER, IT'S OVER. WHICH LED ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN YOU SPEND MORE THAN A BOND HAS BEEN ISSUED.

AND THEN I LEARNED, OH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPEND UP TO I THINK IT'S 25% OVER WHAT THE BOND ISSUANCE IS, WHICH IS LIKE $3 MILLION OVER THAT 15. AND SO IT'S LIKE, WOW, I'M LEARNING A LOT MORE ABOUT HOW BONDS ARE ISSUED AND HOW THE ALLOWANCES FOR EXTRA SPENDING GOES ON. AND MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ABILENE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY THAT WAS GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH THIS PROJECT FOR PHASE ONE, A I GUESS, BUT NOW IT'S THE GROVER NELSON FOUNDATION, WHICH I LEARNED ALL ABOUT THAT. SO AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY IS LET'S STAY ON THE SAME.

LIKE IF IT'S A CHANGE, LET US KNOW, HEY, WE'RE CHANGING WITH THE SOCIETY NOW.

MAYBE THEY'RE THE SAME SOCIETY, I DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE AS A CITIZEN, I CAN'T REALLY TRACK WHAT THOSE PRIVATE SOCIETIES DO AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTE TO MONEY AS A PAYMENT PLAN.

IS IT ONE LUMP SUM AND THEY DON'T REALLY FOLLOW? THE MONEY'S NOT FILING CORRECTLY. GOING WITH THE NINE 90S THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO AS A CITIZEN, HOW DO I TRACK THAT TRANSPARENCY AND SEE HOW THAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME THAT YOU HAVE THAT ALLOWANCE, FIRST OF ALL.

AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, WE HAD THAT WE WERE SPENDING $200,000 OUT OF A, A BOND FOR THE AIRPORT. AND ON THE WEBSITE IT SAYS THERE'S NO MORE PROCEEDS LEFT.

BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT 25% ALLOWANCE, MAYBE YOU ALL CAN SPEND OVER IT.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO ADDRESS THAT OR DEAL WITH THAT TO FIND OUT MY INFORMATION. SO TRANSPARENCY IS SO IMPORTANT.

BUT WHEN THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP ON THE MEMO, CAN WE JUST HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION SO CITIZENS UNDERSTAND HEY, WE KNOW THIS IS GOING OVER THE 15 MILLION THAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID WE WERE TAKING OUT.

HERE'S HOW THIS HAPPENS. AND AND THAT EDUCATION PART IS MISSING.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING.

BUT WE NEED MORE TRANSPARENCY ON HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT.

SO THANK YOU. MISS CRAWFORD. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING OVER THE BOND PROCEEDS. THIS ZOO BOND WE ACTUALLY HAD HAD THOSE FUNDS WITH INVESTMENT, SOME EARNING INCOME ON THOSE BOND PROCEEDS.

AND SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED ADDITIONAL REVENUES FROM INTEREST GAINED ON THE BOND PROCEEDS.

AND SO WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO CHECK WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY WAS NOT COMMITTING MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE.

WE ARE INCLUDING THE INTEREST EARNED FOR THE CITY'S PORTION.

I KNOW THAT WE I SEE OUR ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY HAS MADE AN ERROR IN NOTATING THAT THIS IS GROVER NELSON INSTEAD OF THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY.

WE CERTAINLY CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IN OUR RESOLUTION.

IF WE GAVE THE WRONG ENTITY, WE WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AS A CORRECTION ON THE RESOLUTION.

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MR. CRAWFORD, IT IS THE. YOU GOT IT. CAN YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY. PLEASE. I'M DARRYL AND I. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE GROVER NELSON FOUNDATION.

I'M ALSO TREASURER OF THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY.

THE CONTRACT IS WITH THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY. THE GROVER NELSON, THOUGH, HAS PLEDGED IF THERE IS A SHORTCOMING THAT THE GROVER NELSON WILL STEP IN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR ASSURANCE TO YOU ALL THAT EVERYBODY'S BEHIND IT.

BUT AGAIN, THE EARNINGS THAT THE BOND IS AN ISSUE OF EARNINGS AND STUFF IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA MONEYS COME IN.

RIGHT. DARRYL DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE? NO, I GUESS THAT'S IT. WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 26.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. HI, EVERYONE. SPEAK ABOUT THE O, THE PHILIP.

YES, SIR. OKAY. MY NAME IS JANELLE BENHAM. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ABILENE ZOOS BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AT CITY COUNCIL AND OUR CITY IN GENERAL FOR SUPPORTING THIS EXPANSION.

ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO ASSURE EVERYBODY IS THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE A TRANSFORMATIONAL IMPACT ON OUR ZOO.

MANY OF YOU ALL MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT WE SEE THOUSANDS OF SCHOOL KIDS ON A VISIT EVERY YEAR.

WITH THIS EXPANSION PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOST EVEN LARGER SCHOOL GATHERINGS, WHICH I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY IMPACT KIDS HERE IN ABILENE, BUT ALL OVER THE BIG COUNTRY.

WE SEE KIDS FROM SAN SABA, FROM BROWNWOOD, FROM COLEMAN.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE WITH THIS NEW EXHIBIT.

IN TERMS OF IMPACTING THE ZOO, I THINK WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF WANTING TO CREATE THE BEST GUEST EXPERIENCE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS WILL BE AN IMPACT.

BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE ZOO, THIS IS THE BACK HALF OF THE ZOO.

SO WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE GUESTS WILL BE ABLE TO RUN THROUGH THE ZOO AND NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION.

BUT THEN OF COURSE, OPENING IT IN 2027 BEFORE OUR MAJOR FUNDRAISING EVENTS.

I WANT TO JUST SAY WE AS A ZOO BOARD ARE SO PROUD OF THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT WILL MEAN TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES, YOU REALLY SHOULD.

IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL FOR FAMILIES, FOR SCHOOL KIDS, FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO COME AND JUST WALK THE ZOO TO APPRECIATE ITS BEAUTY.

AND WE'RE JUST SO PROUD OF IT. AND IF YOU ALL EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE AS A ZOO BOARD WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT. WE ARE COMMITTED TO FINISHING THE FUNDRAISING FOR THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. YES, MY NAME IS DOUG KIRKPATRICK. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION IN ABILENE FOR SINCE THE 60S.

I'M BASICALLY ADDRESSING THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK AND AND I'M.

I'M ON MY OWN. NOBODY ASKED ME TO COME DOWN HERE OR WHATEVER.

THIS IS MY OWN CONCERN. IT'S BEEN MY CONCERN FOR YEARS.

BUT I GO BACK WHEN YOU HAD 4 OR 5 BIDDERS, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SHOW YOU GO TO BID LOADINGS AND OPEN THE BIDS, AND THE LOW BIDDER GET THE BID, AND WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

THIS PROJECT, I HEARD WE HAD FOUR BIDDERS. Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF WHO THEY WERE.

I'M SURE YOU APPROVED THEM AHEAD OF TIME. AND THEY WERE IN.

INVESTIGATED THEM AND ALL THAT AND DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM.

THREE LOCALS, ONE VERY WELL ESTABLISHED LOCAL AND TWO, THAT MORE RECENT AND ONE OUT OF TOWN.

AND I THOUGHT, BOY, THIS IS SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE A STRAIGHT UP AND UP LIKE THE OLD DAYS, YOU KNOW, DEAL. YOU KNOW, AND THE WAY IT OUGHT TO BE, IT'S DEFINITELY BETTER FOR THE OWNER AND ANYWAY.

AND SO THEN I HEARD THAT AT THIS POINT SYSTEM.

OKAY, THE POINT SYSTEM, THAT GETS INTO WHATEVER ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT AND DON'T NEED TO BE. BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED AND I KNOW HOW MUCH MORE THINGS COST.

BUT THIS IS THIS IS UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU HAD PLANS AND THEY INSTEAD OF BIDDING ON A PERCENT OR WHATEVER AND EXPERIENCE AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING AND PERSONAL PERSONALITIES OR WHATEVER GETS INVOLVED.

YOU HAD PLANS FOR BIDDERS WORK THE PLANS LIKE THEY WOULD IN THE OLD TIME.

EVERYBODY WORKED THEIR OWN AND OWN SUBS ON THIS, ON THIS SPENDS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND ALL THAT, SO SPENDS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORKING IT AND BID IT AND HAD THE BID OPENING.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A LOW BIDDER AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DIVULGE WHO THE LOW BIDDER WAS OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A LOW BIDDER AND IT'S ROUGHLY $750,000 LOCAL WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY.

AND THEN WE GET INTO THE POINTS AND YOU HEAR THINGS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEBODY, SOMETHING THEY DID BEFORE OR SOMEBODY DID BEFORE, WHOEVER DID BEFORE, AND SOMEBODY ELSE DID A JOB SIMILAR SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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AND THEY DID GOOD AND THEY LIKED IT AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF AND HAVE YOU EVALUATE THE POINTS.

AND SO WE ADD UP THE POINTS. SO IT TURNS OUT, I GUESS THIS THE CITY AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IT'S BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROUGHLY. YOU EVER TAKE $750,000 TO GO TO NOT TO NOT TO USE THE LOW LOCAL BIDDER THAT'S HAD THAT'S WORKED AT THE ZOO AND WORKED IN ABILENE FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS. AND IS THAT CORRECT? AM I CORRECT? ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT? WE CAN'T.

BUT YOU GO AHEAD. DO WHAT THIS IS. OKAY I GOT A ROUTE.

OKAY. SO MY CONCERN IS WAS RIGHT OR WRONG. HOPEFULLY YOU CHOOSE RIGHT.

ANOTHER THING IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.

YOU COULD DO A LOT FOR 750,000 AND AND USE IT IN A LOT OF WAYS.

STREETS WOULD COME UP FIRST. I'M SURE I HAD A LOT I HAD A LOT MORE TO SAY, BUT I COULDN'T.

I TRIED TO CONDENSE IT ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THREE MINUTES.

BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE POINT SYSTEM THAT THAT WE WORK WITH THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY, THAT WE WORK WITH STAFF. AND SO THE LOW BIDDER WAS NOT ACCEPTED FOR SEVERAL REASONS, BUT AND I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ANYBODY OUT DIRECTLY, BUT ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WERE PROJECTS NOT BEING FINISHED IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.

AND SO. SO, SIR. NO, SIR, NO, SIR, NO RELATED DAMAGES.

AND EVERYBODY ABIDES BY THE SAME. I'M CLARIFYING THE REASON THE BID WAS DONE THAT WAY.

THE SOME OF THE COMPANIES HAD SOME HAD GONE OVER PROJECT DEADLINES SEVERAL MONTHS.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS PROJECT DONE IN THIS TIMELINE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SAID THE LOSS OF REVENUE.

AND SO THERE WERE SEVERAL FACTORS AND REASONS ON THE POINT SYSTEM.

WE DID NOT PICK THE LOWEST BIDDER, BUT WE DID GO WITH THE POINT SYSTEM ON THE ONES THAT WE THINK CAN GET THAT WE ARE SURE CAN GET THE PROJECT DONE IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, MAYOR. COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS RUSS GARRISON. I'M CEO OF ALCO CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AND CERTAINLY WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR THE CITY AND BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF ZOOLOGICAL PROJECTS IN THE PAST.

WE HAVE SEEN THESE PROJECTS ABSOLUTELY BE TRANSFORMATIONAL TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE, AND THIS PROJECT IS VERY FAMILIAR AND SIMILAR TO THE PROJECTS WE'VE DONE ELSEWHERE.

WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN ABILENE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN ABILENE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, AND SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY IN OTHER WAYS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITY OF ABILENE.

SHOULD YOU ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL OF THE CONTRACT TODAY? SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIMILAR WITH THE FIRST WITH THE C-130.

YEAH. STILL ON ITEM 26. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND. I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO, JUST TO TOUCH ON IT.

SO SEVEN 750 ROUGHLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOOKING AT THE BIDS.

AND I'M ON PAGE 435 OF THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WE GET A LOT OF BIDS, WHETHER IT'S STREETS, WHETHER IT'S BIG PROJECTS, REC CENTERS, IT DOESN'T MATTER. ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, ARE TYPICALLY BID OUT AND WE GET A NUMBER OF THEM.

YOU LOOK AT COST, YOU LOOK AT A NUMBER OF OF OTHER FACTORS.

THE ATTORNEY SIDE OF ME LOOKS AT THIS AND I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A FAIR POINT.

WE NEED THIS BUILT ON TIME. BECAUSE THEN IF IT'S NOT, WE LOSE.

WE LOSE REVENUE, THE ZOO LOSES REVENUE. 750,000 IS A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, THOUGH, THAT WE DO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND GO, OKAY, WELL, THE RISK IS IT RUNS OVER AND WE LOSE REVENUE.

SO LET'S SAY REALISTICALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO END BY AUGUST 1ST OR CONSTRUCTION IS AND THEY RUN OVER AND IT GOES THROUGH THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND WE LOSE FIVE, FIVE MONTHS OF ZOO REVENUE, 25%, AS JESSE SAID, AROUND 300,000.

I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THIS OPTION FOR THIS, BUT ALSO JUST FOR FUTURE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE. AND SO BUT ALSO TO EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS ON A CONTRACT LIKE THIS, IF A CONTRACTOR GOES OVER AND THIS IS FOR EMILY OR STANLEY, WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP ON THIS WE HAVE PENALTIES IF THEY GO OVER AND TYPICALLY IS ITS PER DAY CORRECT? GENERALLY, IT'S $1,000 A DAY. AND SO THAT'S BASED ON A WHAT WE CAN JUSTIFY AS DAMAGES.

HEY, YOU WENT OVER TWO MONTHS. WE INCURRED X AMOUNT OF DAMAGES 1000 PER DAY ROUGHLY EQUALS THOSE DAMAGES.

WE'RE NOT PROFITING FROM THIS. BUT YOU'RE MAKING US WHOLE BY THE LOSS OF OF OF REVENUE.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND I CAN DEFER TO STANLEY.

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YOU HAVE TO PROVE UP THOSE THAT YOU WERE DAMAGED.

IT'S NOT JUST AN AUTOMATIC $1,000 A DAY. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE DAMAGE THAT YOU INCURRED.

SO I CAN CERTAINLY DEFER TO STANLEY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT FURTHER.

WELL, LIQUIDATED DAMAGES HAS TO BE A REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE DAMAGES ARE, CAN'T BE A PENALTY AND SO ON.

THIS AND I WANT TO EXPLORE THIS, BUT ALSO KIND OF FOR US TO THINK ON THIS AS FAR AS REALLY OTHER FUTURE BIDS AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS ROAD REPAIRS GO ON FOREVER.

AS FAR AS PENALTIES GO, USING THIS AS THE EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENCE OF 750,000.

AS JESSE SAID, THEY TAKE A HIT OF 300,000. IF WE INSTEAD OF A THOUSAND A DAY, WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, CONTRACTOR, IF YOU GO OVER, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME SOME HIT.

AND SO INSTEAD OF 1000 A DAY FOR FIVE MONTHS, IF THEY WENT OVER FIVE MONTHS, THAT WOULD BE 150,000 INSTEAD OF 1000.

WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, YOUR YOUR PENALTY IF YOU GO OVER IS 2000 A DAY.

2000 A DAY TIMES FIVE MONTHS. IF THEY GO OVER FIVE MONTHS, THAT'S 300,000.

THAT MAKES US WHOLE FROM THE THE LOST REVENUE.

PLUS WE GET THE $750,000 WORTH OF SAVINGS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A SWING OF ABOUT OVER $1 MILLION.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT THIS, BUT ALSO FOR FOR OTHER BIDS AS WELL.

THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ON THIS ONE WE COULD DO? ALL RIGHT, LET'S IN THE CONTRACT, WE SAY, YEAH, WE WANT THE $750 IN SAVINGS, 1000 IN SAVINGS, BUT AS A AS A CONDITION BECAUSE OF A TRACK RECORD HERE, INSTEAD OF $1,000 PENALTY, WE'RE DOING A $2,000 PENALTY ON THIS, THIS THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GONE OUT TO BID.

WE CAN'T REWRITE THE CONTRACT. I WAS I'LL DEFER TO STANLEY ON THAT QUESTION.

SO WHAT IS THE QUESTION? COULD WE COULD WE DO, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROJECT BUT ALSO FUTURE PROJECTS, SAY, INSTEAD OF 1000, $2,000? WELL, AGAIN, THE LDS HAVE TO BE BASED UPON REASONABLE DAMAGES.

THEY CANNOT BE PUNITIVE IN NATURE. SO. AND IF THEY'RE PUNITIVE IN NATURE, THEN WHAT IS GOING TO END UP OCCURRING IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LAWSUIT AT THE END OF THIS WITH THE THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO RESOLVE.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE LDS WERE BASED UPON REASONABLE DAMAGES AND NOT PUNITIVE IN NATURE.

NOW, EVEN AT $1,000, THAT WOULD STILL TO BE PROVED UP TO.

RIGHT? IT COULD BE, YES, BUT $1,000 IS KIND OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD.

5 TO 1000 500 TO 1000. OKAY. YEAH I GUESS WHERE, WHERE AGAIN I'M LOOKING AT THIS BUT ALSO FUTURE ONES. I'VE JUST AND WE HEARD FROM JESSE OF 300,000.

SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT MAYOR I KNOW YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THIS.

I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME TOO, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MAYOR. I'LL COME BACK FROM TWO PERSPECTIVES. ONE, YOU ASKED ABOUT OTHER BIDS.

I CAN SAY IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD A SIMILAR THING WHERE THE LOW BID DID NOT GET RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, AND WE WENT BACK AND SAID, WE WANT TO REEVALUATE THIS WITH THE LOW BIDDER TAKES IT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE COMMITTED TO 15 MILLION AND THAT'S IT.

AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING IN A LITTLE EXTRA BECAUSE IT'S EARNED INTEREST.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE 750,000 COMES FROM THE SOCIETY.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THAT EXTRA FUNDING.

AND THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT TO GO. AND SO THE ENTITIES THAT WILL PAY FOR THIS.

THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY AND GROVER NELSON ARE SUPPORTIVE OF PAYING THE EXTRA 750 FOR THE THEIR PEACE OF MIND THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE DONE AND THE TIME FRAME THAT'S PROMISED.

AND SO I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED BY STAFF? THANK YOU.

AND BEFORE MAYOR TALKS, IF I MAY. I'M SORRY. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

I THINK THAT WITH THAT BEING SAID AND AND TO YOUR POINT, I GET IT, BLAISE, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF IT IS A LINEAR FOCUS IN TERMS OF A PRICE TAG, BECAUSE I THINK IF I'M LOOKING AT THE THE WAY WE EVALUATE YOU'RE THINKING EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST PRICE, SAFETY, LOCAL IMPACT. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE IT'S ALL I THINK.

AND I THINK WITH ALL THOSE THINGS AND ENCAPSULATED IN THE BID AND IN THE PROCESS AND THE PEACE OF MIND AND THOSE THE LOCAL ENTITIES THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP UP, I THINK IT IS A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO USE THE MONEY AND TO AWARD THE BID.

THANKS, MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE? JUST TO CLARIFY, OR AM I. AM I LOOKING AT THIS WRONG? I THINK THE THE LOW BID IS THE ONLY LOCAL BID.

YES, BUT I'M NOT. I'M WHAT I'M SHARING. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK TO JUST LOOK AT IT AS A NUMBER OF THE LOWEST BID AND ONLY HONE IN ON WHY ARE WE NOT AWARDING THE LOWEST BID IS A VERY MYOPIC WAY TO LOOK AT LOOKING AT THE BIDDING PROCESS IN GENERAL.

I THINK THE BIDDING PROCESS IN GENERAL, IN TERMS OF THE BOXES IT CHECKS, IS MORE ENCOMPASSING AND ENCAPSULATING.

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YEAH. AND I THINK SHANE MAKES A GOOD POINT AND WHY I WAS USING THIS EXAMPLE, BUT ALSO FUTURE PROJECTS IS, IS THAT KIND OF CONTINUAL COMPLAINT OF, OF OF PROJECT OVERRUNS? AND SO, SHANE, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CAPPED OUT AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT ON THIS PROJECT.

SO ANY OVERRUNS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY NO MATTER WHAT.

ANY OVERRUNS IS NOT BORNE BY US. AND SO AS LONG AS THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER GROUP HAS SIGNED OFF ON THIS. YEAH. IT'S IT'S WORTH AN EXTRA 750 FOR PEACE OF MIND.

THAT'S ON THEM, NOT THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND, BUT ALSO THE MECHANISMS THAT WE USE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS ALSO APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, STREETS AND ALL OTHER PROJECTS. AND SO HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PENALTIES, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I THINK YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT.

ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'RE NOT BEARING ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED AT THE ZOO.

RIGHT. THE BOND MONEY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN.

I THINK SOMEBODY BEAT ME. I GOT YOU, YOU GOT ME, YOU GOT ME.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? VOTE. ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. ITEMS 27 THROUGH 30 WILL BE CONSIDERED AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IT IS NOW 10:16 A.M., AND WE RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETING ACT,

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS. SECTION 551.072 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY.

SECTION 551.073 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS.

SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. SECTION 551.076 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES.

SECTION 551.087 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT BUSINESS PROSPECTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS NOW 11:35 A.M.. WE RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION.

[RECONVENE]

THE VOTES OR NO VOTES OR ACTIONS WERE TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 27. AND I ASKED TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[27. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on an Ordinance of the City of Abilene, Texas, and Providing for the Extension of the Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, Texas, and for the Annexation of Certain Territory - 19.12 acres - Lying Adjacent and Contiguous to the Present Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, and Granting to All the Inhabitants of Territory, all Rights and Privileges of other Citizens and Binding the Inhabitants by All of the Acts, Ordinances, Resolutions and Regulations of the City of Abilene; and Adopting a Service Plan Agreement (Tim Littlejohn)]

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 19.12 ACRES INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF ABILENE.

THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 19.12 ACRES INTO THE CITY OF ABILENE IS A LANSING AND ABILENE REAL ESTATE DESIRES THAT THAT PROPERTY THEY OWN, DESCRIBED AS 47.18 ACRE TRACT BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF ABILENE.

WE FOLLOWED ALL THE REGULATIONS WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THE CHARTER AS WRITTEN.

AND STAFF IS GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ANNEX ANNEXATION REQUEST TO YOU THIS THIS MORNING.

HERE'S THE THE MAP OF THE LOCATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTIES ARE SPLIT BY THE AEP TRANSMISSION EASEMENT THAT THEY RIGHTFULLY OWN. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS OF TIM. YES, SIR. THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 27. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO MOVED.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. YES, SIR.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES. I'M SORRY, I AM INCORRECT.

ONE NO. FROM COUNCIL MEMBER REAGAN. THE REST ARE YESES.

I'LL MOVE TO ITEM 28. TIM. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 140.97 ACRES INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

[28. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on an Ordinance of the City of Abilene, Texas, and Providing for the Extension of the Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, Texas, and for the Annexation of Certain Territory - 140.97 acres - Lying Adjacent and Contiguous to the Present Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, and Granting to All the Inhabitants of Territory, all Rights and Privileges of other Citizens and Binding the Inhabitants by All of the Acts, Ordinances, Resolutions and Regulations of the City of Abilene; and Adopting a Service Plan Agreement (Tim Littlejohn)]

THIS IS ALSO OWNED BY LANSING ABILENE REAL ESTATE.

THIS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 43.016, AND ALL THE PROCEDURES AS SPECIFIED BY OUR CHARTER.

THIS STAFF DOES SUPPORT THIS ANNEXATION REQUEST, AND I'D BE HAPPY.

OH. I'M SORRY. HERE'S THE THE TRACK OF LAND THAT THEY'RE WISHING TO ANNEX.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR TIM. THANK YOU.

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AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 28. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I DON'T ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO MOVED.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN YATES SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ESPINOSA.

DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ONE NO. FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 29. AND TIM LITTLEJOHN.

[29. Ordinance (Final Reading): Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on an Ordinance of the City of Abilene, Texas, and Providing for the Extension of the Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, Texas, and for the Annexation of Certain Territory - 47.18 acres - Lying Adjacent and Contiguous to the Present Boundary Limits of the City of Abilene, and Granting to All the Inhabitants of Territory, all Rights and Privileges of other Citizens and Binding the Inhabitants by All of the Acts, Ordinances, Resolutions and Regulations of the City of Abilene; and Adopting a Service Plan Agreement (Tim Littlejohn)]

AGAIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

IS ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 47.18 ACRES INTO THE CITY OF ABILENE.

THIS IS ALSO OWNED BY LANSING ABILENE REAL ESTATE.

EVERYTHING WAS FOLLOWED ACCORDING TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IN OUR CHARTER.

STAFF. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST. HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE REQUEST, LOCATED ALONG SHIRLEY ROAD.

AND. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR TIM.

THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 29.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ESPINOSA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ONE NO. FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. AND I MOVE TO ITEM 30.

[30. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-47: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner, to Amend the Terms of PDD-181. Specifically, to Amend the Boundaries of This Planned Development District. Located at 5502 Spinks Road. (Tim Littlejohn) ]

AND TIM LITTLEJOHN AGAIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ZONING CASE 202547 OWNER'S LAND.

THE APPLICANT IS E. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ANNEXATIONS THAT WERE JUST PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED.

LOCATED AT 617 FM 2404 AND THE 5500 TO 5600 BLOCKS OF SPINKS ROAD.

HERE'S THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. HERE'S THE BUFFER PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE NEWLY ANNEXED PROPERTY, THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, IS GOING TO CARRY ALONG WITH IT.

HERE'S SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT FOR WE RECEIVED FOR AN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN A 3.43% IN OPPOSITION.

THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE AND THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL THIS MORNING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? TIM. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 30? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. I HAVE THREE CARDS, MA'AM. OKAY, WE'LL START WITH CARDS.

I'M SORRY. RUSTY TOWLE.

HELLO. MY NAME IS RUSTY TOWLE. I LIVE ON 2910 SHIRLEY ROAD AND MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TO TO HEAR MY CONCERNS THIS MORNING.

I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THIS. AS I UNDERSTAND, THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. IN FACT, I LOOKED UP THE THE REASON THAT STATED IN THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE PURPOSE ZONING IS TO PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS, GENERAL WELFARE BY GUIDING DEVELOPMENT, MANAGING GROWTH, ENSURING COMPATIBLE LAND USE, AND PRESERVING PROPERTY VALUES.

I THINK GOING FORWARD WITH THIS REZONING WILL NOT PROMOTE HEALTH BUT ACTUALLY BE A HEALTH HAZARD TO THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS THERE.

CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO NOT BE FOR OUR GENERAL WELFARE.

I THINK WE'RE NOT GUIDING DEVELOPMENT OR MANAGING GROWTH, BUT MAYBE GROWTH IS MANAGING US IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND CERTAINLY MY PROPERTY VALUE IS NOT IMPROVING.

I GUESS WHAT I WOULD REALLY ASK OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO, TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING AND THE IMPACTS IT WILL HAVE, NOT ONLY NOW AND TODAY, BUT LONG RANGE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CHANCE FOR THAT INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE AND TO GET THEIR INPUT.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT AS SOMEBODY THAT LIVES THERE AND TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION, I'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL AND I DON'T KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN ABILENE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT HERE. NOT IT'S NOT A DATA CENTER.

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MAYBE WE SHOULD QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY. WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A HUGE POWER PLANT BUILDING A NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT THAT'S TEN TIMES BIGGER THAN WHAT'S NECESSARY TO POWER EVERY HOME IN THE CITY OF ABILENE. AND WHY ARE WE BUILDING THAT IN THE CITY LIMITS? AND WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THAT POLLUTION TO BE INSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS AND AFFECT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS? I LOOKED IT UP, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE, BUT IT ASSUMING THAT IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT.

IT'S OVER 4 MILLION TONS OF CO2. AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONCERN TO YOU.

MAYBE IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S OVER 2000 TONS OF NITRIC OXIDE OXIDES, 3000 TONS OF SULFUR DIOXIDE, AND 10,000 TONS OF PARTICULATES EVERY YEAR. AND THAT STUFF GOING UP THE CHIMNEYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE AIR AND BREATHED BY THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE.

AND SO, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT STANDARD SIZE, POPULATION AND EFFECTS OF THIS, THE EFFECTS OF THIS BASED UPON THE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES IS, IS ON THE ORDER OF 10 TO 15 PREMATURE DEATHS PER YEAR BY CITIZENS OF ABILENE JUST FROM THE AIR POLLUTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE HEARD THERE'S A PLAN IN THE CITY IS LOOKING INTO IT, BUT I LIVE NEXT TO IT. MY MY ELDERLY PARENTS THAT ARE IN THEIR 80S LIVE NEXT TO ME, AND WHEN THEY MOVED IN A DECADE AGO, I TOLD THEM, YOU CAN LIVE HERE AS LONG AS YOU WANT.

THIS IS YOUR LAST HOME. NOW, I MIGHT HAVE TURNED INTO A LIAR.

AND YOU KNOW IT'S A DATA CENTER. ONE THING TO SAY, IT'S NOT THE VIEW YOU WANTED, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SAY. THE AIR IS POLLUTED WITH THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOST HARDLY HIT. THE ELDERLY, THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND PEOPLE THAT ARE AT RISK.

AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CAREFUL INVESTIGATION OF THIS AND COMMUNICATING THAT TO THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE.

THANK YOU FOR MY TIME. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

IF THAT'S CLAUDE JOSEPH, CAN YOU HELP ME? HAVE TO HELP ME ON THE LAST NAME, SIR.

HELLO. MY NAME IS JOSEPH CEQA. I LIVE AT 237 LOMA VISTA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MAYOR COUNCIL FOR LISTENING.

I LIVE JUST TO THE WEST OF WHERE THE EQUIPMENT AREA STORAGE IS.

MY CONCERN IS FUTURE GROWTH. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE JUST ANNEXED THE 47 ACRES.

I ACTUALLY USED TO OWN ONE OF THOSE. STORY IS IF YOU WANT TO.

IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT, YOU CAN TALK TO ME. BUT UPON THAT, WHAT IS THAT ENLIGHTENED INDUSTRIAL GOING TO BE? WHAT IS THAT LAND GOING TO BE FOR THAT YOU'RE ANNEXING? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S 189 ACRES SOUTH OF THAT THAT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE PURCHASED.

THAT WILL BORDER 800FT OF MY FENCE. SO AS MR. CHARLES SAID, YEAH, OUR LAND VALUES ARE NOT GOING UP OUT THERE.

I CANNOT SELL MY LAND RIGHT NOW. NEXT MONTH, IN JANUARY WILL BE 30 YEARS.

MY WIFE AND I MOVED OUT THERE FOR OUR RETIREMENT HOME.

I CAN'T SELL THAT LAND TODAY. THERE'S NO WAY NOBODY'S CAN BUY MY HOUSE AND MY LAND.

SO THINK ABOUT THAT. I GAVE THE OTHER COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND VISIT ME INSTEAD OF SENDING.

WHEN YOU SEND THE LETTERS OUT, COME AND VISIT US, SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

LANSING REPRESENTATIVE. HE DID COME VISIT ME.

VERY NICE. TALK TO ME. NOBODY ELSE HAS. NOBODY ELSE TOOK ME UP.

BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. AM I AGAINST IT? NO, IT CAN'T BE. LOOK AT WHAT IT'S DOING FOR ABILENE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU LIVE THERE, IF YOU ARE LIVING THERE, ADJOINING THAT AREA, IT AFFECTS US.

IT AFFECTS US DAILY. THE LIGHTS AGAIN. TRAFFIC.

BUT JUST LOOK AT THAT. COMING. IT'S OPEN. COME VISIT ME AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

AM I AGAINST IT? NO. BUT MY LAND VALUES ARE NOT GOING UP.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. JARED BARKER.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS JARED BARKER AND I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN ABILENE. LIKE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK THE THE DATA CENTER ITSELF IS NOT MY MAJOR CONCERN.

IT IS A CONCERN FOR ME, BUT I'M ACTUALLY MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THE POWER PLANT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING OUT THERE. ONE GIGAWATT NATURAL GAS IS A LARGE SUM TO BE PUTTING THROUGH THERE BY MY NUMBERS. THAT COULD BE UPWARDS OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LITERS OF GAS PER HOUR BEING BURNED.

AND I THINK THAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TRULY APPRECIATED.

LIKE RUSTY SAID, THAT'S UP TO THAT. COULD BE 10 TO 15 DEATHS PER PREMATURE DEATHS PER YEAR IN THE CITY OF ABILENE.

AND I ASK, IS THAT WORTH IT? ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT DIRECTLY BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE.

THIS INSTEAD IS MEANT TO BENEFIT OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF ABILENE, AT THE COST OF THE CITIZENS OF ABILENE.

I AM I'VE APPRECIATED THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'VE HAD FROM LANSING.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR THIS.

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I THINK THEY ARE MERELY DOING WHAT THE CITY OF ABILENE IS ALLOWING THEM TO DO.

AND I PLEASE ASK THAT WE PUT SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS BEFORE WE PUT IN THIS HUGE POWER PLANT INTO OUR CITY LIMITS, WITH EFFECTS THAT WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. AND FURTHERMORE, I THINK I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT WE'VE MENTIONED. THE REPEATING PATTERN OF THESE MEETINGS HAS BEEN THAT ABILENE HAS A HOUSING SHORTAGE AT THE MOMENT.

DO WE WANT TO FURTHER PUSH FOR INCREASED DEVELOPMENT OF THESE DATA CENTERS WHEN WE CAN'T REALLY MEET THE CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE DEMANDING RIGHT NOW? HOUSING, ELECTRICITY, WATER, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF.

AND ARE WE PREPARED TO FURTHER PUSH THIS ALONG BEFORE WE'VE EVEN FINISHED BUILDING THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOW? I JUST ASK THAT WE HAVE SOME CAUTION IN THIS, AND MAYBE SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND FULLY UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.

MORE CARDS. WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ITEM 30. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS WAAG. I'M A RESIDENT HERE OF ABILENE. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REQUEST HERE FOR THE REZONING.

WHEN WE WERE ATTENDING THE COMMITTEE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WE WERE HEARING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ADVICE THAT WERE GIVEN BY SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE AND SEEMED TO BE CONFLICTING FROM ONE OF THE REQUESTS TO THE NEXT.

WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THEM EARLIER, THE ZONING FOR THE RV LOT, KIND OF THE ADVICE THAT WAS GIVEN TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD RAISED CONCERNS WAS, WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE COME TO, TO BUILD SOMETHING IN YOUR AREA? AND THE ADVICE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US ABOUT OUR REQUEST WAS.

WELL, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS EXPECT YOUR ZONE TO STAY THE SAME IN AGRICULTURAL.

IT WAS GOING TO CHANGE SOONER OR LATER. THERE HAVE BEEN REQUESTS IN PREVIOUS MONTHS BROUGHT UP WHERE THERE WAS A PROPERTY ON SALES BOULEVARD WHERE IT WAS CHANGED FROM MULTIFAMILY TO A MIXED USE. THAT ONE WAS DENIED BECAUSE THE PLAN THAT WAS GIVEN FOR THE AFTER THE ZONING WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETED, THE PLAN OF WHAT TO BE USED FOR THAT AREA DID NOT THE COUNSELORS DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE.

FOR THIS ZONING, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CLEAR PLAN OF WHAT THE LAND IS GOING TO BE USED FOR, BUT THEY DECIDED TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY. THERE HAVE BEEN ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TABLED IN ANTICIPATION OF THE CHANGE TO THE LDC NEXT MONTH.

THEY SAID WE'LL TABLE IT AND REEVALUATE ONCE THAT GOES INTO EFFECT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT TWICE.

THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR EITHER OF THESE TWO REZONING REQUESTS.

SO MY CONCERN HAS BEEN IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONSISTENCY IN REGARDS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF HEAR AND THE ADVICE GIVEN TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE BRINGING UP CONCERNS. ALSO, WE WOULD HEAR MULTIPLE TIMES WHILE THE CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP THAT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION SAID WELL, WE'RE JUST PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION.

NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY, IT'S GOING TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY.

SO IT FELT TO ME LIKE THEY WERE NOT COMMITTED TO THE POSITION THEY WERE HOLDING.

THEY WERE JUST PASSING IT ON. THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT I WANTED TO RAISE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.

JUST IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE BEING GIVEN CONSISTENT ADVICE OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL THERE.

THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 30? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MISS CRAWFORD, COULD YOU JUST GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE MEETING WE HAD HAD WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE OR THE THE WIND TURBINE PEOPLE AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THEM, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK? CERTAINLY. SO THE MAYOR AND I WERE ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING WITH COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES, LANAKILA AND CARUSO. SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ABOUT THE GAS TURBINE POWER PLANT, THE EMISSIONS, THE HEALTH IMPACTS, ETC.. AND WE WERE GIVEN SOME VERY ENCOURAGING ANSWERS, ONE OF WHICH WAS CARUSO HAD RECENTLY BEEN IN A MEETING WITH THE EPA, AND THEY WERE CALLING THEIR MODEL A GOLD STANDARD BECAUSE OF HOW HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT THAT IT WAS. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO INTO MORE, MORE DETAILS ABOUT.

OKAY, SO I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION, AS THIS WAS A MEETING WITH CARUSO LAST WEEK.

THEY GAVE US SOME DIRECT NUMBERS THAT THEY SAID WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC BEING THE EMISSIONS WILL BE BETWEEN 1 AND 2 PARTS PER MILLION AT THE POINT OF THE GAS TURBINES. STANDARD ALLOWABLE LEVELS ARE ABOUT 25 PARTS PER MILLION, SO THEY ARE INVESTING AN ADDITIONAL $100

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MILLION IN THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THIS THE THE MOST SAFE, THE MOST CLEAN POWER PLANT.

ADDITIONALLY NOT NOT DISCUSSED YET, I'VE HEARD, BUT NOISE WAS ALSO DISCUSSED WITH IN REGARD TO THE POWER GENERATION. THERE WILL BE NOISE CONTAINMENT WALLS.

THERE'S BEEN A COMMITMENT THROUGH MODELING THAT THE SOUND WOULD BE AT 70DB AT THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT DOES FALL WITHIN THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO WE WE ARE WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME VERY TECHNICAL AND VERY SCIENTIFIC ANSWERS FROM THE ENGINEERS OF CRUSOE WHO ARE DESIGNING AND RUNNING THIS POWER PLANT. AND AGAIN, WE WE ENCOURAGED AND REQUESTED THE ABILITY TO START TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS PUBLICLY, AS WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CONCERNS THAT WE ARE HEARING HERE AND WITH THE PUBLIC.

AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE STATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO SHARE THOSE.

SO SO THAT IS THAT IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK WITH CRUSOE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE GAS TURBINE POWER PLANT.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 30? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO MOVED.

HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ESPINOSA. SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE? ONE KNOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBER REAGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES.

WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM 32, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[32. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Appointing Members to Various Boards and Commissions per the City Charter (Shawna Atkinson) • Airport Development Board • Abilene Housing Authority • Board of Adjustment • Development Corporation of Abilene • Neighborhood Services Advisory Board]

AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT BOARD CURT THAXTON, REAPPOINTMENT.

KELCEY MANGUM, NEW ABILENE HOUSING AUTHORITY GARY BONE, NEW BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT JOHN LOUDERMILK, REAPPOINTMENT, DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF ABILENE.

BUDDY NAPIER REAPPOINTMENT. MARK COLEMAN, NEW NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD BRITTANY DEEG.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 32, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO MOVED.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN YATES.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE? ALL YESES.

MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 33, AND I'LL ASK LESLIE ANDREWS, PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR,

[33. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Awarding the Management Services to Lone Star Golf Course Management, LLC, and Authorizing the City Manager to Enter into Negotiations with Lone Star Golf Course Management, LLC for the Management Services Contract for Maxwell Golf Course (Lesli Andrews)]

TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL. LESLIE ANDREWS, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING TO TALK ABOUT MAXWELL GOLF COURSE.

WE DID PUT OUT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS FOR MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS BACK ON NOVEMBER 13TH.

STAFF REVIEWED ALL OF THE PROPOSALS, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING TODAY THE AWARD TO LONE STAR GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT, LLC AND REQUESTING COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER OR HER DESIGNEE TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH LONE STAR.

THE GOAL OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TODAY IS WE'RE ENTERING INTO NEGOTIATIONS IS TO HAVE THE GOLF COURSE OPEN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026.

AND THIS GIVES US, EVEN THOUGH THE HOLIDAYS, THIS GIVES US A LEG UP ON AND MAKING THAT HAPPEN SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR THE SPRING SEASON, THE ISD SEASONS AND TOURNAMENT SEASON.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 33, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN REAGAN.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE? ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES.

AND NOW MOVE TO ITEM 34. AND I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER, EMILY CRAWFORD, TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[34. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving a Chapter 380 Agreement for Project Rainy Creek (Emily Crawford)]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A 380 AGREEMENT WITH RAINY CREEK VENTURES.

I'M SORRY, WITH RAINY CREEK PROJECT RAINY CREEK.

LET ME GET MY WORDS STRAIGHT, WHICH IS WALLACE VENTURES.

YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE NEWS YESTERDAY THE REFERENCE TO RAINY CREEK.

SO NOW THAT IT IS PUBLIC, WE CAN REFERENCE THE FACT THAT BASS PRO SHOPS IS COMING TO ABILENE.

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THEY WILL BE LOCATED IN THIS RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS 35 ACRES OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON I-20 AND EAST AMBLER.

AGAIN, BASS PRO SHOPS WILL BE THE MAJOR ANCHOR TENANT AND DESTINATION FOR THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IN TOTAL, THERE IS ABOUT 113,000FT² OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE BASS PRO SHOPS FOR RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AND A PROPOSED FITNESS CENTER. THOSE PARTICULAR RETAILERS AND TENANTS HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED YET. THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. THE 380 AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY IS PRIMARILY AN INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT.

IT IS OUR COMMITMENT TO REBUILD GRIFFITH ROAD, WHICH IS FROM MARATHON DRIVE TO EAST STAMFORD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE DONE A PORTION OF THAT ROAD AND IT IS OUR COMMITMENT TO DO THE COMPLETE REBUILD FROM THAT LOCATION AT MARATHON ALL THE WAY UP NORTH TO EAST STAMFORD. SO THAT IS THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE NO TAX ABATEMENTS, PROPERTY TAX OR SALES TAX ABATEMENTS.

THERE ARE A FEW PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVES FOR DEMOLITION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES AND FOR THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 34? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. TAMIE FOGEL, RESIDENT OF ABILENE. I JUST I HATE TO WASTE YOUR TIME IN SOME WAYS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY BRAVO.

WE NEEDED SOMETHING SO MUCH ON THE NORTH SIDE.

I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT JUST HAVING THE ECONOMIC GROWTH ON THE NORTH SIDE, NOT JUST HOSPITAL OR NON-PROFITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE STORAGE BUILDINGS. SO I JUST LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO TAKE 30S TO SAY BRAVO. I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT WHAT HAPPENS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND TO SEE IF THAT BRINGS SOME NEW LIFE TO THE AREA.

BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED ON THAT SIDE.

SO CONGRATULATIONS. AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT OTHER BUSINESSES COME.

THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 34? PUBLIC HEARING? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO MOVED. SECOND, THE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, YES. WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. NOW MOVE TO ITEM 35, AND I'LL ASK MR.

[35. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving Project King for the Development Corporation of Abilene, Inc. (Misty Mayo) ]

MAYO, CEO OF THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF ABILENE, TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

HELLO. THIS IS MAYOR SAID, I'M MR. MAYO, I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF ABILENE. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING A BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF FIVE INDIVIDUALS.

AND YOU ALL JUST CONFIRMED OUR NEW BOARD MEMBER.

SO MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER CRAWFORD AND CITIZENS, ON BEHALF OF THAT BOARD OF DIRECTORS, I BRING TO YOU TODAY PROJECT KING. PROJECT KING IS A LOCAL EXISTING COMPANY.

WHAT I'M BRINGING BEFORE THE COUNCIL TODAY IS RATIFICATION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, AND A REQUEST FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED INCENTIVE.

I ALWAYS LIKE FOR THE CITIZENS TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, OUR VISION AND OUR MISSION.

THIS PROJECT KING REPRESENTS WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF ABILENE, WHAT THE DCOA DOES EVERY DAY IS WE WORK WITH LOCAL, EXISTING COMPANIES TO HELP ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES SO THAT THEY CAN EXPAND, BECAUSE WHEN THEY EXPAND, THAT MEANS JOB SECURITY, THAT MEANS JOB CREATION, AND THAT MEANS NEW DOLLARS ON OUR TAX ROLLS.

ALWAYS SHARING THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR SIX CORE INITIATIVES.

THIS FALLS UNDER LOCAL EXISTING BUSINESSES. IN FACT OF THE.

LAST FIVE YEARS. SO SINCE 2020, THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION'S SUPPORT OF COMPANY EXPANSIONS, OVER 80% HAVE BEEN WITH LOCAL EXISTING COMPANIES.

AGAIN, THIS JOURNEY FROM PROSPECT TO COMPANY PARTNER IS ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC'S REFERENCE TO SEE THAT TODAY IS IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND THEN I WILL ACTUALLY FINALIZE THE NEGOTIATION OF THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE COMPANY.