Jan 08, 2026 City Council

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GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IT'S NOW 8:30 A.M.

MAKING NOTES, AND I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ABILENE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

LORD. LORD, AS ALWAYS, WE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS FOR WHAT WE FALL SHORT.

AND LORD, WE, WE PRAY. WE PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY IN THIS TIME, LORD.

JUST LOOK OVER OUR ARMED FORCES AND EVERYONE WHO'S PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY AND MAKING OUR COUNTRY A BETTER PLACE.

LORD, WE WE ASK YOU TO LOOK OVER THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.

LORD. AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HELP US. AS TEXAS GROWS AND WE SEE BETTER THINGS ON THE HORIZON.

AND, LORD, IN OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF ABILENE, TEXAS, WE ARE BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE AND BE ABLE TO CALL ABILENE OUR HOME.

WE'RE GRATEFUL TO EVERYONE WHO KEEPS IT SAFE AND MAKES IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.

AND WE JUST ASK YOU TO LOOK OVER THOSE WHO CARE FOR OUR GREAT CITY.

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. SO FROM TYLER ELEMENTARY TODAY I HAVE VANESSA AND SHE HAS JOINED US.

SHE'S GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR PRAYER PLEDGE. AND HER MOTHER, EMILY HAS JOINED US TODAY, GOT US HERE ON TIME AND READY TO GO.

AND SHE'S EXCITED. AND I'M EXCITED ALSO. SO IF YOU'LL TURN AROUND RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE AT.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

[PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

CAITLIN RICHARDSON, WHO HAS A AS A BEEN RECOGNIZED AS THE TOP 20 UNDER 40 IN ABILENE.

AND WE'RE SO PROUD OF HER AND HER ACHIEVEMENTS.

CAITLIN. SPEECH. SHAWNA PAVED THE WAY SO CAITLIN COULD RUN.

JUST SO WE'RE AWARE. SHAUNA WAS FIRST. AND CAITLIN.

AND ALSO WE HAVE A POLITICAL SCIENCE CLASS FROM ACU.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND DOCTOR BEN PETERSON, IS THAT RIGHT? IS IS WITH US TODAY. AND EVERYBODY, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE. WE'RE EXCITED THAT YOU ALL ARE STRIVING TO TO YOUR EDUCATION.

AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS TODAY. SO. ITEM FIVE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY.

SO WE NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH CONSISTS OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR.

[CONSENT AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS]

DOES ANYONE ON COUNCIL WISH TO VISIT ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR? WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THERE WILL BE NO VOTES OR ANY FORMAL ACTIONS TAKEN ON SUBJECTS PRESENTED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT IDEAS AND INFORMATION TO CITY OFFICIALS AND STAFF.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY YOU RESIDE IN FOR THE RECORD.

THERE WILL BE A THREE MINUTE LIMIT. WE WILL START WITH CARDS AND SOME OF THESE CARDS MAY BE ON INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN. SO WE HAVE NUMEROUS CARDS ON ITEMS TEN AND 11.

THOSE ARE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WHICH YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON AT THAT TIME.

I DO HAVE TWO CARDS THAT DON'T LIST THE NUMBER, BUT ARE ALSO RELATED TO TEN AND 11.

SO, MISS SAUNDERS, MR. PRICE, DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL TEN AND 11 ARE CONSIDERED OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? OKAY. NO OTHER CARDS OUTSIDE THOSE ITEMS. SO WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. HOPE EVERYONE'S DOING GREAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO COME UP HERE, BUT I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND AND JUST INTRODUCE MYSELF.

WE GOT A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE HERE, SO WELCOME TO ABILENE.

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I GUESS YOU COULD CALL ME A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE OR A A WANNABE REPORTER OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO LABEL ME AS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I HAD NO PLANS ON COMING BACK UP HERE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE STILL KIND OF DEALING WITH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR ABOUT 8 OR 9 YEARS. JUST THE, THE, THE DILAPIDATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, FRIVOLOUS SPENDING OF TAX DOLLARS.

AND FOR A LONG TIME, I CAME UP HERE ASKING FOR HELP AND UNFORTUNATELY I WAS IGNORED.

AT LEAST I FELT THAT WAY. BUT THINGS. I GOT THINGS DONE.

WHETHER. WHETHER YOU WANTED TO GIVE ME CREDIT FOR IT OR NOT, IT GOT DONE.

AND SO I TOOK IT TO THE STREETS BECAUSE CODE WASN'T GETTING ENFORCED.

WE HAVE A REAL BIG PROBLEM IN THAT IN THAT DONUT HOLE Y'ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR TEN, 15 YEARS.

WE STILL HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, MONEY'S ONLY BEEN ALLOCATED TO A SPECIFIC PART OF THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF TOWN, AND THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN AREA. YOUR TOURS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THAT AREA HAVE BEEN IGNORED FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT I DO SEE A BIT OF A CHANGE HERE RECENTLY IN 2026.

YOUR PARKS, THEY LOOK BETTER, BUT THERE'S STILL ISSUES THERE THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION IN THE LAST 8 OR 9 YEARS THAT ARE STILL AN ISSUE.

ONE IN PARTICULAR, ROSE PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FOLLOW MY PAGE.

I KNOW YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES, BECAUSE THEY POP UP ON OUR LIVES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SOME LIGHTS, AND I SUBMITTED THAT TO YOUR CITY MANAGER, TO YOUR ATTORNEY, AND THEY THEY GOT RIGHT ON IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S A CHANGE THAT I HAVE SEEN BECAUSE BEFORE, WE WERE JUST PRETTY MUCH IGNORED. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT LIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE ABILENE PENNY PRESS. THAT'S WHERE WE USUALLY POST MOST THINGS. BUT AGAIN, I CAME UP HERE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME.

AND I DID WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK YOUR CITY MANAGER AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR GETTING BACK WITH ME, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER A TIME WHERE I'VE MESSAGED ANY OF YOU GUYS SITTING ON THE COUNCIL THAT HAVE EVER RETURNED ANY OF MY EMAILS.

SO I DO WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU, MA'AM, AND I WANT TO THANK YOUR ATTORNEY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IN 2026.

AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO YOU, AS THE COUNCIL ARE GOING TO DETERMINE HOW IT IS THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACT.

SO WE JUST WE JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER IN 2026.

SO HAPPY NEW YEAR. MERRY CHRISTMAS. AND Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT, GREAT DAY.

THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

I NOW ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR.

SO MOVED. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES.

[6. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action Amending Article V - Community Support Policies of the City Council's Governing Principles, Rules of Procedure, and Council Policies (Lesli Andrews)]

GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL. LESLIE ANDREWS, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE OVERSEE IN OUR DEPARTMENT IS SPECIAL EVENTS FOR ABILENE.

THE GUIDANCE THAT WE RECEIVE ON SPECIAL EVENTS COMES FROM CITY COUNCIL, AND THERE'S SOME EVENTS AND OR MANY EVENTS IN ABILENE THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR ABILENE IANS. AND SO I WAS ASKED TO PUT THIS LIST BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION FROM COUNCIL.

THINGS DO CHANGE OVER THE YEARS. THE LAST TIME WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE WAS IN OR THIS RESOLUTION WAS IN 2023.

AND SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGAIN TODAY.

SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING WITHIN THE 12 FEE.

FEES THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE IN THE PRIOR LIST PERMIT FEES WAIVED WAS ONE ITEM, AND THERE WAS A BIT OF CONFUSION ON WHAT WAS A PERMIT FEE, WHAT WAS A VENUE RENTAL FEE, AND THEN WHAT WAS A VENDOR FEE.

A PERMIT FEE IS BASICALLY WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR A PERMIT.

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THAT IS IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO RENT A BUILDING WHICH MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS A PERMIT FEE.

AND THEN THE VENDOR FEES, THOSE ARE MORE OF YOUR FOOD VENDORS, YOUR TEMPORARY TEMPORARY VENDORS THAT NEED PERMITS FOR A TEMPORARY FOOD BOOTH OR A GROUP THAT WANTS TO CHARGE A FEE ON AN AD HOC ISSUE.

AND SO BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE THREE IS IMPORTANT TO STAFF.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING DIVIDING THOSE INTO THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

AND BLEACHERS IS AN AREA THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FOR.

IT WAS NOT ON THIS LIST AS SOMETHING THAT WAS A SPONSORED FOR STAFF TO.

THERE IS NOT A FEE FOR BLEACHERS, BUT IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND EFFORT OF STAFF FOR PEOPLE, FOR STAFF TO MOVE BLEACHERS FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER.

AND SINCE WE HAVE MULTIPLE GROUPS THAT LIKE TO ADD BLEACHERS TO THEIR EVENTS, WE ADDED THAT CATEGORY.

TWO THAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO DELETE. ONE IS THE TEMPORARY OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY LIGHTING POLES. SO OR AT LEAST WITHIN THE SPECIAL EVENTS AREA, THE PARKS AREA, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT AND RENT THOSE.

AND SO THAT IS AN AREA WE ARE AND WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.

THE ONE EVENT THAT DID REQUEST THIS NO LONGER HAPPENS.

SO WE'RE REQUESTING FOR THAT TO BE DELETED AS WELL AS THE ELECTRICAL GENERATION.

AGAIN, THE ONE EVENT THAT DID REQUEST THAT NO LONGER IS IN THAT EVENT NO LONGER HAPPENS.

SO WE'RE REQUESTING TO DELETE BOTH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.

SIX CITY SPONSORED PARADES. IN 2023, WE HAD FIVE CITY SPONSORED PARADES.

AND WE DID HAVE THE REQUEST FOR CINCO DE MAYO PARADE TO BE ADDED TO OUR VENDOR LIST.

AND SO WE CONSIDERED THAT THE LAST TWO YEARS AS AN OFFICIAL CITY PARADE.

AND THEN THE VETERANS DAY PARADE, IT ONLY LISTED PARADE, BUT UNDER THE NEW DIRECTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THAT, THEY'RE WANTING TO EXPAND, THAT HAVE A CAR SHOW, HAVE MORE THINGS DOWNTOWN.

SO WE ADDED AND FESTIVAL TO THAT CRITERIA. SO IN THE LIST IN YOUR PACKET IS IS A RED LINE VERSION OF THE 2023 EVENTS AS WELL AS A CLEAN VERSION. BUT THE EVENTS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDED BEING ADDED TO THE LIST ARE THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING THAT USED TO BE INSIDE THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND THEN IT WAS MOVED TO THE FRONT OF THE CITY HALL LAWN.

THE CINCO DE MAYO PARADE, OFFICIALLY HAVING CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THAT AS PART OF A SPECIAL EVENT.

AND THEN OVER THE LAST YEAR, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION IN THE MPO.

THEY SPONSOR A SAFETY MOTORCYCLE RIDE AND A SAFETY BICYCLE RIDE.

ONCE ONE OF THOSE EACH YEAR AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO BE A CITY SPONSORED EVENT.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE MPO SAFETY EVENTS BE ADDED AS CITY COUNCIL SPONSORED SPECIAL EVENTS.

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE JUST CHANGES. AIRFARES.

AIR FEST WAS LISTED SEPARATELY AS ITS OWN ENTITY, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY AN EVENT OF DYESS AIR FORCE BASE, WHICH IS ALREADY A CATEGORY. SO WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING SHIFTING IT UNDER DYESS AIR FORCE BASE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS PARADE.

USED TO BE MANAGED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY FOX NEWS.

THIS LAST YEAR IT BECAME A CITY EVENT. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT CHANGE AND NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS.

THOSE ARE KEEP ABILENE BEAUTIFUL CLEANUPS. IT WAS FAIRLY VAGUE IN THE SPECIAL EVENTS.

AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT CHANGE AND THEN AGAIN, ADDING FESTIVAL TO THE VETERANS DAY PARADE BECAUSE OF THE EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES THEY WANT TO HAVE WITH THEIR PARADE EVENTS THAT WERE DELETED.

I'M NOT GOING TO PRONOUNCE THIS CORRECTLY, BUT THE BARROWS REUNION NO LONGER TAKES PLACE.

THAT WAS THE EVENT THAT USED THE THE GENERATOR AND THE LIGHTS.

CRUISE NIGHT, WHICH WAS SPONSORED BY CRIME STOPPERS, NO LONGER TAKES PLACE.

THEY ARE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND FREEDOM FESTIVAL WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BACK WHEN WE HAD FIREWORKS AT NELSON.

THE, THE ASSOCIATION OR THE GROUP, THE NONPROFIT OF FREEDOM.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PROPER TITLE. THEY STILL EXIST, AND THEY DO STILL SPONSOR EVENTS, BUT THEY DON'T SPONSOR FREEDOM FESTIVAL.

THAT WAS AT THE EXPO CENTER. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT ONE BE DELETED.

HAPPY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SPONSOR.

THANK YOU. LESLIE. LESLIE. LESLIE ON THE I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 112 ON THE PACKET.

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AND THEN IT LISTS THE NUMBERS ONE THROUGH 12 THAT ARE ON THERE, WHICH REFERS BACK TO THE THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT ARE FOR EACH EVENT THAT'S THERE.

I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE EVENTS USING NUMBER EIGHT, THE PORTLETS OR NUMBER NINE, THE BLEACHERS.

IS THAT ON THAT LIST SO THAT THEY CAN ADD IT? IT IS. IT IS ACTUALLY JUNETEENTH. JUNETEENTH AND STEVENSON PARK.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT REQUEST THE BLEACHERS AND THE PORTLETS.

OKAY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT LISTED. DOES THAT MEAN THE CITY IS NOT SPONSORING THAT? BUT WE CHARGE FOR IT? OR IS IT AN OVERSIGHT? NO.

THEY ARE. THEY ARE LISTED IN IT'S JUNETEENTH AND IN PARENTHESES IT SAYS STEVENSON PARK AND ROSE SENIOR CENTER.

OH. ARE YOU. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. EIGHT AND NINE WAS MISSED, ADDING WE NEED TO ADD THAT.

THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

OKAY. I CAUGHT UP WITH YOU. ON PAGE 105 OF THE PACKET.

I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING THIS JUST TO CLEAR IT UP.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO APPROVED LIST.

AND THEN IT HAS CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING. CINCO DE MAYO PARADE MPO MOTORCYCLE.

SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO DO ON THAT SECTION? AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE NEXT SECTION. SO ARE WE ARE THOSE.

THOSE ARE CITY RUN STAFF ARE RUNNING THOSE. OR THIS IS JUST ALLOWING US TO KIND OF PUT THEM ON A LIST AND WE COORDINATE A LITTLE BETTER WITH THEM.

I'M AFRAID I NEED YOU TO ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN.

WHAT THEM, THOSE THREE ITEMS LISTED THERE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EVENTS TO ADD? YES.

WE ARE ASKING FOR THOSE TO BE PUT ON THE LIST OF CITY SPONSORS TO GIVE CLARITY TO THE STAFF ON WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS ON HOW TO PROCESS THEIR REQUESTS.

OKAY, SO IT'S NOT STAFF WILL BE DOING DOING ALL THE WORK, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM ARE WE PUTTING A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF BY ADDING THESE EVENTS OR THE PRIVATE ENTITY STILL RUNNING? THESE WILL STILL DO IT. IT'S JUST A COORDINATION WITH THE STAFF FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING.

IT IS ALL CITY STAFF THAT DOES MANAGE THAT ONE FOR CINCO DE MAYO.

PARADE AND FESTIVAL. WE REALLY JUST MANAGE THE PERMIT.

EXCEPT FOR THE PARADE PORTION, THE CITY DOES HAVE TO SPONSOR THE BARRIERS FOR PARADES.

DUE TO THE LEGALITY OF THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS AND ARE FAMILIAR, ADDING THAT IS NOT EXCEPT FOR ADDING SOME BARRIERS ON ONE DAY IS NOT A BIG CHANGE.

AND REALLY, THE MPO, MOTORCYCLE AND BICYCLE EVENTS THAT IS NOT A LARGE LIFT ON CITY, REALLY.

THAT IS A COUPLE OF POLICE OFFICERS GUIDING THEM THROUGH TOWN FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

OKAY. AND THEN ON EVENTS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, AIR FEST MOVED UNDER.

DYAS. UNDERSTANDABLE. LIGHTS PARADE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.

NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP. WE SPUN KEEP ABILENE BEAUTIFUL OUT FROM UNDER THE CITY.

I THINK LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE SHIFTING WE'RE COORDINATING BETTER ON THAT.

AND THEN ON THE LAST ONE, VETERANS DAY PARADE AND FESTIVAL AND FESTIVAL IS ADDED.

SO THAT'S JUST A NAME CHANGE. AGAIN, STAFF ISN'T, STAFF ISN'T NOW RUNNING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS AND THE VETERANS DAY PARADE.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE NOT RUNNING THOSE. IT'S JUST CLARIFYING IT ON THE PAPERWORK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAD ONE OTHER ONE ON 112 WITH THE LIST OF SPONSORSHIP TYPES. I'M CURIOUS. WE HAVE WEST TEXAS FAIR LISTED SEPARATELY FROM WEST TEXAS FAIR PARADE.

WE HAVE THE WESTERN HERITAGE PARADE, SEPARATE FROM THE WESTERN HERITAGE RODEO.

AND BOTH THE WEST TEXAS FAIR AND THE WEST TEXAS RODEO HAVE STREET SWEEPING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED IT FOR THE PARADE PARTS.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT STREET SWEEPING WE DO FOR THE FAIR PROPER OR FOR THE RODEO.

I'M AFRAID I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO ROCHELLE.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY. THAT IS A REQUEST THAT THEY HAVE.

STREET SWEEPING WITH THOSE EVENTS. I WOULD NEED TO DEFER THAT TO ROCHELLE.

YES. AND THESE ARE JUST. THEY'RE NOT MANDATORY THAT IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S JUST IF THEY'RE REQUESTED THEN THEY'RE PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. LESLIE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM SIX, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD MORNING.

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I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I WAS I HAD TO DO A DOUBLE TAKE BECAUSE THIS WAS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT PRECIPITATED IT BEING PULLED OUT FOR US TO DISCUSS IT, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE AS A CITIZEN, I LIKE KNOWING SOME OF THESE DETAILS AND YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE Y'ALL ORIGINALLY PASSED THIS RESOLUTION WHERE WE PICKED Y'ALL WENT THROUGH PAINSTAKINGLY TO PICK THE TEN EVENTS OR SO.

MAYBE THAT WAS WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CONNECTED, BUT I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE VERY THOUGHTFUL, INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT Y'ALL MAKE TO PROVIDE THESE EVENTS AND COORDINATE THEM WITH THE CITY SO THAT IT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL FOR BOTH PARTIES OR ALL PARTIES INCLUDED.

I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE MOTORCYCLE AND BICYCLE EVENT PERMITS WERE WAIVED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE. LAST.

WAS IT LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CORRECT FEES OR DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT? SO I REALLY APPRECIATE AND I SEE THAT Y'ALL ARE LISTENING AND ADAPTING AND ADJUSTING, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR CITIZENS TO KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT EXCEPT I PAY ATTENTION.

AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT JUST BRING TO MIND AS A CITIZEN.

I'M I'M CURIOUS. I NOTICED, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EVENTS, THEY'RE INCLUDED ON THIS.

AND AS A CITIZEN, I KNOW THAT WE GIVE THEM THE HOT TAX MONEY OR THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO UTILIZE THE HOT TAX MONEY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT CAN BE FACTORED IN, BETTER USE OF THAT MONEY WHETHER. BUT BUT AGAIN, I KNOW THAT PERMITS AND FEES ARE NOT LIKE THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF OUR CITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW. A LOT OF EVENTS ARE PROBABLY MINIMAL IN-KIND SERVICES, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EVENTS THAT DO REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF IN-KIND SERVICES.

AND SO AS A CITIZEN, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE THINKING OF THAT IS.

OR HAVE WE THOUGHT THROUGH THAT, THAT WE GIVE THEM LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, THE THE CULTURAL VISITOR CENTER OR ALL THE DERIVATIVES THAT COME INTO THE CHAMBER? WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM ADDITIONAL IN-KIND SERVICES? YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT WASH OUT? BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING A TIGHT BUDGET IT SEEMS A LITTLE CURIOUS TO ME HOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY STREAMLINE AND MAKE MORE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE USING THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AND SO THERE'S OTHER ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, BUT I'M JUST BRINGING UP SOME OF THESE THINGS. LIKE SOME OF THESE SEEM HELPFUL AND GOOD, BUT ALSO SOME OF THEM SEEM COSTLY AND BRING CONCERNS TO ME BECAUSE I KNOW PARADES TAKE A LOT OF WORK.

THEY TAKE MANPOWER AND POLICE AND STREET CLEANUP, AND WHEN WE CLOSE DOWN THE CITY STREETS FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, THAT THAT DOES COST THE CITY MONEY. AND SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT WORTHWHILE, BUT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE ENDS MEET ON THE SERVICES THAT WE DO NEED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO CONSIDER SOME OF THESE OPTIONS.

AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I CAN, I THOUGHT OF AND THOUGHT WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AS A CITIZEN. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS OUT. SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK DISCUSSION AND AND LIGHT MAKES THINGS GO A LOT BETTER IN THE END. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX? GOOD MORNING I'M ROBIN CALLOWAY WALLS. I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT JUNETEENTH.

THERE'S THREE JUNETEENTH GOING ON, ONE IN STEVENSON, THE BLACK CHAMBERS.

THERE'S ONE AT THE CIVIC CENTER, AND I DO THE ONE OVER AT ROSE PARK FOR THE SENIORS.

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. THE FIRST TWO YEARS AT ROSE PARK, THE CITY DONATED THE SIDES POTATO SALAD, BEANS, PEACH COBBLER, ICE CREAM.

LAST YEAR. AT THE LAST MINUTE, THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WASN'T GOING TO DO THAT, WHICH WAS NO PROBLEM.

I'VE BEEN FUNDED THIS MYSELF. LAST YEAR WE DID 15 BRISKETS, 90 POUNDS OF SAUSAGES.

WE DID OVER 400 PEOPLE AND IT'S GETTING BIGGER AND.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, WILL I STILL BE ABLE TO DO THE JUNETEENTH AT ROSE PARK? I'VE BEEN GETTING THE STAFF LAST YEAR THE DOORS WAS CLOSED OFF.

I WANT THE SENIORS TO COME AND SEE ROSE PARK.

ROSE PARK IS A NICE FACILITY. A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THERE.

BUT WHEN YOU CLOSE THE DOORS OFF AND PEOPLE CAN'T SEE WHAT'S THERE.

ONLY THING THEY SEEING IS JUST JUST THE DINING ROOM IN THE FOYER AND MAYBE THE BALLROOM.

THERE'S OTHER ROOMS IN THE BACK THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO RENT OR USE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WILL I STILL HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR TO DO JUNETEENTH FOR THE SENIORS AT ROSE PARK? THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD PUBLIC HEARING.

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THERE WAS A FACES OF FENTANYL EVENT THAT WE PUT ON FOR TWO YEARS.

AND BECAUSE OF THE STRUGGLES THAT WE HAD TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T CONTINUE. SO ONE RECOMMENDATION I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS IS TO QUIT TRYING TO MAKE WINNERS AND LOSERS OUT OF PEOPLE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR ONE CERTAIN GROUP, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S EVERYBODY'S TAX DOLLARS.

AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS OR HOW IT USED TO WORK, IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGE. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE IS YOU CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES WHAT KIND OF SPONSORSHIPS THE CITY IS GOING TO PROVIDE.

AND WHAT WE REQUESTED WAS PRETTY MUCH A FULL SPONSORSHIP THERE AT SEARS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT Y'ALL GAVE US? DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS SPONSORED THE FACES OF FENTANYL EVENT WITH? THAT'S A FACTUAL QUESTION. I'M ASKING IF I WOULD LIKE A FACTUAL ANSWER.

Y'ALL CAN. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T. OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK YOU DID BECAUSE ALL Y'ALL WANTED TO DONATE WAS TRASH PICKUP, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO ANYWAYS. SO WE WERE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME OUT OF OUR POCKETS TO PAY FOR THE PAVILION FOR THE FOOD.

JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF. JUST JUST UNNECESSARY OBSTACLES.

SO WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE FUTURE IS TO STOP BEING SELECTIVE IN TRYING TO MAKE WINNERS AND LOSERS OUT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T, IF IT DOESN'T APPLY, LET IT LET IT FLY, RIGHT? BUT THOSE ARE THE STRUGGLES THAT THE FACES OF FENTANYL EVENT HAD LAST YEAR OR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAT WE HAD IT.

AND FENTANYL IS AN EPIDEMIC HERE. I GET TIPS ALL THE TIME ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE FOUND IN CARS THAT HAVE OVERDOSED ON FENTANYL.

MAMAS WITH 4 OR 5 KIDS THAT HAVE OVERDOSED ON FENTANYL WITHIN BLOCKS OF EACH OTHER.

SO IT'S A HUGE ISSUE. AND I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MY FRUSTRATION WHEN ALL Y'ALL WANTED TO DONATE WAS TRASH.

SO THERE'S THAT. AND I WANTED TO ALSO BRING UP TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES AT ROSE PARK.

THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO YOU GUYS BACK IN 2022 REGARDING.

AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WRAP THIS UP PRETTY QUICKLY. REGARDING PARK LIGHTS THAT WERE DAMAGED BACK IN 2022, AND HERE WE ARE IN 2026. AND THOSE SAME PARK LIGHTS ARE DAMAGED.

Y'ALL HAD A MASTER PLAN THAT YOU DID IN WHICH THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.

IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. THE WALK AND TRAIL IS STILL HIDEOUS.

THERE WAS A SENIOR THE OTHER DAY THAT FELL. AMBULANCE WAS CALLED OUT, FIRE TRUCK WAS CALLED OUT.

HE HAD A BIG OLD KNOT ON HIS HEAD. IT WAS HORRIBLE.

THE TRACK IS HIDEOUS AGAIN. IF YOU IF Y'ALL COULD JUST TAKE THE TIME AND GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY YOU WOULD SEE THAT.

SO THERE'S THAT ISSUE. AND THEN THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS SENT TO LESLIE IN 2023 REGARDING THE PARKING TRAILS AT ROSE PARK, SENT BY A JESUS CORONADO, WHICH WAS THE PARKS DIVISION MANAGER.

SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHO'S DROPPING THE BALL? IS IT Y'ALL? OR IS IT YOUR PARKS MANAGER? BECAUSE WE GOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SIX.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

CAN I CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF, LESLIE CAN ANSWER THIS NOW, OR IF IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT THE JUNETEENTH PARADE, IF. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS IN THAT REGARD? I THINK THAT WE CAN GET WITH STAFF AND TRY TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SAY IT RIGHT NOW. YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST THINK A LITTLE TIME TO SHARING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH. ANYONE ELSE WITH THAT? SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PRICE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN GRANER WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM SEVEN AND I WILL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT,

[7. Ordinance (Final Reading) OAM-2025-01: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on an Amendment to Chapter 4, Article 2, Division 11 – Vacation Travel Trailer/Recreational Vehicle Parks of the Land Development Code (LDC) (Tim Littlejohn)]

IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST.

THIS IS OAM 202501. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO AMEND CHAPTER FOUR ARTICLE TWO DIVISION 11 LABELED AS VACATION TRAVEL TRAILER RECREATIONAL VEHICLE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SOME OF THE CHANGES. WE'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES.

WE'RE TAKING THE THE DENSITY DOWN FROM 12 UNITS PER ACRE TO TEN INCREASING THE MINIMUM SIZE FROM TWO ACRES TO

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THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL THIS MORNING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS OF TIM. I'VE GOT A FEW. I APPRECIATE THE BACK AND FORTH WE'VE HAD, AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHERS THAT CAME UP AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT LAST NIGHT THAT I WANTED TO ASK ON SECTION FOUR 211 TWO C, IT HAS FOR THE SITE LOCATION.

IT HAS A NEW EXCEPTION FOR AOE. AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO 4 TO 11.

THREE IN F, THERE'S NO ACCESS TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT THERE'S NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR AOE.

IS THAT INTENTIONAL, OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE EXCEPTION FOR AOE IN THAT INGRESS EGRESS ALLOWANCE? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BE ACCESSED BY THE RV PARK.

IT WOULD HAVE TO FACE A PUBLIC STREET, RIGHT? BUT WE ADDED THE EXCEPTION FOR AOE IN 11.2. DO WE NEED THAT EXCEPTION IN 11.3 FOR INGRESS EGRESS, OR IS THAT INTENTIONALLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR INGRESS EGRESS NEXT TO AOE? YEAH, IT'S IT'S INTENTIONAL AOE PREVIOUSLY WAS IT WAS AN INTERPRETATION PROBLEM.

IT WAS INTERPRETED AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHEN MOST OF THE TIME IS NOT BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL.

ANY DISTRICT THAT ABUTS THIS, THAT'S WHERE THE SETBACKS COME IN PLACE.

THAT'S ALREADY A RS TYPE DISTRICT. THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE THEN.

SO THE INTENTION IS NO INGRESS EGRESS NEXT TO AOE.

RIGHT. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN BE ADJACENT TO IT.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN ON TABLE FOUR FOR THE ASTERISK FOR THE MAIN OFFICES TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACK. SO DOES THAT MEAN THE OFFICE HAS TO BE WITHIN 25FT OF THE THE LINE? I MEAN, JUST AS I'M READING IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE 25FT NOT INCLUDED AS ALSO 25 FOOT SETBACK.

THE REQUIRED SETBACKS. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WITH STAFF ON THIS, AND WE KIND OF TOYED BACK AND FORTH ON ON THAT ONE.

AND WE AND THE CONCLUSION WAS IT WOULD THE, THE MAIN OFFICE WOULD MEET THE SETBACKS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

RIGHT? OKAY. I THINK THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT IS KIND OF CONFUSING THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO EDIT THAT TO STATE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO WHERE IT WOULD MEET THE SETBACKS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT.

OKAY. GOAL IS FOR IT TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, NOT BE INCLUDED WITHIN IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT SUBJECT ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SETBACK OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S HOW I READ IT. YEAH. BUT I SEE HOW IT COULD BE CONFUSING.

YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY. THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE.

WE CAN MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND 11 POINT 2DI JUST I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IT SAYS IT SHALL THE EACH PAD SITE SHALL BE LEVEL AND WELL DRAINED. SO THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANY SLOPE FOR IT TO BE WELL DRAINED.

IT CAN BE LEVEL AND STILL CONSIDERED WELL DRAINED.

YEAH, IT'S THE LEVEL PART, THERE'S USUALLY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A CROWN IN THE MIDDLE.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE NORTH AND SOUTH WOULD BE LEVEL.

YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. THAT WAS JUST THOSE WERE ALL OF THEM THAT I HAD.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. QUESTIONS? TIM, ON PAGE 125 OF THE PACKET, IT'S SECTION 4.2, 11.1.

THE VERY KIND OF AT THE VERY START, WE'RE DELETING G TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

I THINK PREVIOUSLY, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR ANY VACATION TRAVEL PARK WITH 100 SPACES OR MORE BEFORE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL BE CONSIDERED, AND STAFF IS PROPOSING WE REMOVE THAT.

WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THE REMOVAL? WE THINK THAT SHOULD BE A DECISION OF THE COUNCIL DURING THE CIP PROCESS.

IF THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE ONE IS NEEDED, YOU CAN REQUIRE IT AT THAT TIME AS A CONDITION, NOT AS A STANDARD RULE IN THE IN THIS ORDINANCE, DOES IT PUT US IN A BIT OF A. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW ON ON ONE IS WE'RE IT'S BEING PROPOSED AND IT'S BEFORE US,

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AND SO IT KIND OF PUTS THE COUNCIL IN A BIT OF A WELL, DO WE TABLE IT OR DO WE DENY IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS.

AND I, I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET LARGER AND LARGER RV PARK APPLICATIONS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO BASED ON THE THE DEVELOPMENT.

IS THIS PUTTING THE COUNCIL IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP TABLING APPLICATIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? I DON'T THINK SO. IF THE REQUIREMENT ALONE IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IF YOU WANT IT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO IS TELL STAFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OFF OF THAT STUDY TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.

TYPICALLY THOSE TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO TO, TO ESTABLISH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CAN WEIGH IN AND DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND SEE WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, WOULD BE NEEDED TO ADJUST FOR THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT.

SO SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW.

SO CURRENTLY IT'S IN THERE. CORRECT. IT'S IT WAS IN THERE.

YES, SIR. WE OUR STAFF WAS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO SCRATCH IT OUT.

AND IF COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT'S WARRANTED DURING THIS PROCESS, THAT'S A CONDITION YOU CAN ADD AT THAT TIME.

OKAY. AND SO JUST TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION, IF IT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW, IF A IF A VACATION TRAVEL PARK APPLIES TO US AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BEFORE WE EVEN BEFORE IT EVEN GETS PUT ON THE AGENDA TO CONSIDER THE CUP, WHICH IS HOW IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T. SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S WRITTEN, WE CAN'T EVEN CONSIDER A CUP UNLESS THEY'VE DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THERE PREVIOUSLY.

YES, SIR. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND IS THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ANALYSIS.

IS THAT DONE BY THE CITY? IS THAT ON THE DEVELOPERS? DEVELOPERS? OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. TIM. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS, IS WE ARE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE.

AND THE WAY THESE AFFECT OUR CITIZENS AND SAFETY IS ONE THING.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS, EVERY ONE OF THESE THAT WE PUT ON IS SOMEWHAT OF A BUREAUCRACY OR A BURDEN TO A DEVELOPER.

AND I THINK THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO WATCH AND TRY TO FIND THAT EQUAL BALANCE WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS AFFECT EVERY PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM NOW ON THAT OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S IN A CROWDED AREA? AND I LIKE SOMETIMES TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I JUST WANT TO YOU KNOW, ITS IMPACT, YOU KNOW ITS IMPACT FEES. THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE.

IT COST DEVELOPERS ACROSS THE BOARD MORE MONEY.

AND SO I DO KIND OF LIKE IT WHEN WE CAN LOOK AT THESE INDIVIDUAL.

BUT THE MAIN GOAL IS, IS TO AFFECT, I MEAN, TO PROTECT THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND OUR AND OUR CITIZENS.

SO JUST TRY TO FIND THAT BALANCE. AT THIS TIME.

I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC ON ITEM SEVEN, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ITEM SEVEN? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. TAMMY FOGLE, RESIDENT OF ABILENE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP MY CONCERN.

YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH. BUT I THINK THAT AS A CITIZEN, I HOLD A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS WHY ELECTIONS MATTER. BECAUSE WE GIVE YOU A LOT OF POWER TO MAKE DECISIONS.

AND I FIND IT INTERESTING. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE.

I WISH I WOULD HAVE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT LAST LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO SEE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED.

I HONESTLY CAN'T REMEMBER. A WHOLE LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN. SO I CAN'T REMEMBER.

BUT I DO REMEMBER PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS BIG NEW TINY HOME THING GOING UP IN ON ELLENDALE ROAD IS THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF WHAT THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE CITIZENS. SO TO ME, I FIND IT CURIOUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS OUT AND DO IT A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

BUT THIS WAS ALREADY IN AND AGAIN, I'M I'M JUST A CITIZEN, SO I MAY BE MISSING SOME DETAILS.

AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, BUT I'M JUST ASKING OR SHARING MY CONCERN.

WHY WASN'T A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR THIS LARGE IMPACT? RV PARK OR RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOME THING? SO I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THE MORE I HEAR IS, YOU KNOW, TXDOT HAS TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THIS OUT, SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ENOUGH DUE DILIGENCE AS A CITY.

ON MAKING SURE OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION IS GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION TO SUPPORT WHAT IS HAPPENING, RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF WAITING AND SEE. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPUGN ANYONE'S MOTIVES OR SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT THINKING THROUGH THIS,

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AND IT HAS IT'S IT'S ALREADY IMPACTED THE CITIZENS.

THE COUNTY CHANGES TO THAT RV PARK HAS ALREADY IMPACTED THOSE CITIZENS.

SO AGAIN, I'M HEARING THIS IS A THEME FROM PLANNING AND ZONING THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS A CLEAR DIRECTION.

AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU. LET'S NOT BURDEN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY WITH MORE FEES.

I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER. MY CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD OF WHAT'S REQUIRED, I WOULD RATHER MAKE EXCEPTIONS RATHER THAN BECAUSE THESE LARGE OVER 100 RESIDENTIAL OR THESE HOT SPOTS.

THEY DO IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, THEY IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THERE WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULDN'T UNLESS THEY DID US, UNLESS THERE WAS ONE THAT DID IT LITERALLY RIGHT BEFORE.

AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION. BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE FEES ARE NOT GOING TO BE OR THE COST IS GOING TO BE ON THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PREPARED FOR THIS, IT'S A HUGE IMPACT.

SO I'M REPEATING MYSELF. BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST SAYING AS A CITIZEN, THAT WAS VERY CONCERNING TO ME, THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE SOMETHING THAT HELPS US ENSURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THESE SUCCESSFUL ARE NOT IN PLACE, AND IT'S JUST A CONCERN FOR ME. THANK YOU. STILL, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? CYNTHIA, AGAIN I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND MAYBE YOU TABLE IT UNTIL YOU DO A STUDY AND YOU FIGURE OUT HOW IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY.

BECAUSE PROFIT OVER PEOPLE. IT'S NEVER BEEN GOOD BUSINESS.

BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF I WANTED TO BRING UP I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH. THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS OR AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO LESLIE ACTUALLY TO JENNIFER REESE FROM AN OMAR RODRIGUEZ DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2022.

WE HAVE A COUPLE PARK LIGHTS THAT ARE DAMAGED. ONE IS AT SCARBOROUGH PARK AND THE OTHER AT ROSE PARK, THE ONE AT ROSE PARK. YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE BUSINESS OR THE BUILDING SPECIALIST, MICHAEL FLORES, BUT THIS POLE IS SEVERELY DAMAGED AT THE BASE AND WILL NOT TAKE MUCH FOR IT TO FALL OVER AND POSSIBLY INJURING A CITIZEN OR PARK WORKER.

AND IT GOES ON. BUT THAT WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

THERE WAS AN ATTACHMENT THAT I COULDN'T THAT I COULDN'T ACCESS. SO I'M WAITING FOR THAT TO COME IN. I'M HOPING THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME LIGHT POLE THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HERE IN 2026. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE, A HUGE ISSUE.

THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER EMAIL SENT OUT. MAY 10TH OF 2023 TO LESLIE ANDREWS.

MISS ANDREWS, THE WALKING TRAIL AT ROSE PARK IS IN DIRE NEED OF REPLACEMENT.

IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ON HOW TERRIBLE THE CONDITION OF THE WALKING TRAIL IS AT THE PRESENT TIME.

I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH AN OLDER GENTLEMAN WHO WALKS THE TRAIL WITH HIS WIFE. HE HAS TOLD ME BOTH TIMES HOW HARD IT IS TO WALK ON THE TRAIL AND NOT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT FALLING. HE HAS ASKED THAT WE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER FIXING THE TRAIL PROPERLY, AS TO AVOID ANY ACCIDENTS THAT MAY THAT MAY OCCUR.

THERE HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THIS LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO LESLIE IN MAY FROM FROM HER PARKS DIVISION DIVISION MANAGER, JESUS CORONADO. THE TRAIL HAS NUMEROUS AREAS WHERE THE ASPHALT HAS CRUMBLED AND IS A SAFETY CONCERN.

THE EDGES OF THE ASPHALT ARE ALSO VERY CONCERNING, AS THE SOIL HAS WASHED OUT AND HAS CREATED A DROP OFF IN SOME AREAS.

THE PARK DIVISION HAS GONE THROUGH AND BACKFILLED A LOT OF THOSE AREAS.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS A CONSTANT FIGHT DUE TO THE AGE AND DETERIORATION OF THE TRAIL.

Y'ALL HAD SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE ISSUED BACK IN 2122.

ROSE PARK'S WALKING TRAIL WAS NOT INCLUDED. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU INCLUDE THAT.

AND THEN Y'ALL HAD A MASTER PLAN THAT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2023.

THE SHORT TERM PLAN FOR THAT, WHICH WAS SLOTTED AT TWO YEARS, WAS TO REPLACE THE AMPHITHEATER OR ADD IMPROVEMENTS WALKS, NEW SHELL ROOF, DRAINAGE, ELECTRICAL POWER. IT WAS SLATED TO COST $370,000.

AND YOUR YOUR YOUR TIMELINE. YOU'VE EXPIRED YOUR TIMELINE.

Y'ALL TOLD US THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT DONE IN TWO YEARS, AND HERE WE ARE THREE YEARS LATER, AND THAT'S STILL NOT DONE. AGAIN, YOU CAN GO FOLLOW THE ABILENE PENNY PRESS. THERE WAS A POLL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BOLTED.

IT WAS NOT BOLTED. IT FELL ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.

Y'ALL ARE LUCKY THAT THAT DIDN'T HIT NOBODY IN THE HEAD.

BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS, IS IF YOU DON'T GET A HOLD OF YOUR OF YOUR DIRECTORS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOBS, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO COST US AT THE END BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO WIND UP COSTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO END UP IN A LAWSUIT EVENTUALLY IF I DON'T FIGURE IT OUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO FINISH, YOU KNOW, TELLING YOU GUYS THAT. THANK YOU. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM SEVEN? OR OTHER? GOOD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL?

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YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST THE THE OFFICE FOR THE OFFICE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CHANGES DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO THE OFFICE SETBACK.

I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOULD BE REMOVED.

I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE CHANGES AND THE SETBACKS AND THE OTHER PROPOSED CHANGES.

BUT GEE, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED.

BUT IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, I'M THE ONLY ONE. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PRICE.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE. ONE NOTE FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES.

WHEN I MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT. AND I ASKED TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL,

[8. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-42: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, To Change The Zoning Of Approximately 17.11 Acres From Agricultural Open (AO) And Medium Density (MD) To Multi Family (MF). Located At 2242 Oakland Dr. (Tim Littlejohn)]

DEAN FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, LLC IS THE AGENT. THIS LOCATION IS 3101 STANFORD STREET.

THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER IS THE CHANGE OF ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 17.11 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL, OPEN SPACE AND MEDIUM DENSITY TO MULTIFAMILY, LOCATED AT 2242 OAKLAND STREET.

HERE'S A LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SPLIT ZONED. IT'S A BUDDING SOME EXISTING MULTIFAMILY.

HERE'S SOME PROPERTY VIEWS. HERE ARE THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE. THE CURRENT MEDIUM DENSITY AND THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT. WE DID RECEIVE THREE IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN A 6% OPPOSITION RATE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE. THIS DOES MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC IS RECOMMENDING TO YOU APPROVAL THIS MORNING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS OF TIM. JUST ONE. AND ONE OF THE RESPONDENTS MENTIONED ISSUES WITH, WATER AND SEWER IN THAT AREA. HAVING IT SAYS IS LIMITED AND HAS HAD NUMEROUS ISSUES OVER THE YEARS.

AND IN THE STAFF NOTES, IT JUST SAYS THAT THOSE WILL BE LOOKED AT DURING THE PLAN REVIEW.

IS THERE ANY KNOWN ISSUE WITH WATER SEWER IN THAT PART OF THAT? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE OF THE PROJECT YET.

THIS IS JUST A ZONING LAYER PIECE OF IT. ONCE THEY GET READY TO LOOK TO DEVELOP, THEN THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL HAVE A LOOK AT IT AT THAT TIME AND SEE IF ANY UPGRADES ARE NEEDED TO THE SYSTEM OR NOT.

SO IF UPGRADES ARE NEEDED, WHO PUTS THE BILL FOR THAT? IS THAT ON THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER OR SHARED? IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO BRING IT UP TO THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEN THAT'LL ALL BE WORKED OUT DURING THAT PROCESS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS, TIM. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM EIGHT. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN YATES. SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ESPINOZA. READY TO VOTE? OH, YES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM NINE, AND TIM LITTLEJOHN WILL PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[9. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-43: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, To Change The Zoning Of Approximately 5.1 Acres From Heavy Industrial (HI) To Light Industrial (LI) Zoning. Located At 2258 South Treadaway Boulevard (Tim Littlejohn)]

IN ZONING CASE 202543 OWNER IS HIT VENTURES. THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 5.1 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, LOCATED AT 2258 SOUTH TREDWAY BOULEVARD.

HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP. HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

HERE'S VIEWS, PROPERTY VIEWS, AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

HERE ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THE CURRENT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED DISTRICT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY IN RETURN.

THIS REQUEST MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE AND THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL THIS MORNING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM NINE, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SINGLE ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION BY MY COUNCILMAN. ESPINOSA.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. READY TO VOTE.

YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM TEN.

AND TIM LITTLEJOHN AGAIN WILL PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[10. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-44: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, to Change the Zoning of Approximately 109.8 Acres from Light Industrial (LI) to General Commercial (GC). Located at 1202 Elmdale Road (Tim Littlejohn)]

THE THIRD, THE REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 109.8 ACRES FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. HERE ARE THE PROPERTY VIEWS.

HERE ARE THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND HERE ARE THE PROPOSED GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWABLE USES.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT. WE DID RECEIVE SIX IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN 11 OPPOSITION RATE.

THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE. THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TWO.

SO WE KIND OF GOT IN THIS LAST TIME. THIS IS THE ZONING CHANGE.

THE CUP IS THE NEXT ITEM. SO ITEM TEN IS THE ZONING CHANGE.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OF TIM. TIM. THIS IS MORE JUST A GENERAL QUESTION THAT I'LL SOMETIMES GET.

WOULD YOU CLARIFY HOW IS THE PERCENTAGE CALCULATED ON THE OPPOSITION.

SO IT SAID 11%. IS IT BASED ON LAND ON LAND AREA INCLUDING RIGHT OF WAYS AS WELL.

ANYTHING 200FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINES? OKAY.

I GET QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, OH, IT'S IF THERE'S SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED IN SIX OBJECT, WHY IS THAT? YOU KNOW, 11% AND 90% OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL THE PROPERTY INVOLVED. YES, SIR. CORRECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YEAH. THANK YOU TIM.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM TEN? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. WE HAVE CARDS ON TEN.

ARE THEY ALL 11? MOST OF THEM ARE BOTH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WANT.

WE'LL JUST START NOW, I SUPPOSE. YEAH. JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START.

OKAY. FIRST I HAVE IS KAREN SAUNDERS.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IN THE INITIAL. NEWSPAPER REPORTS, I GUESS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

YOU DISCUSSED WATER CONDITIONS FOR THE UPCOMING AIS.

WHAT I DIDN'T GET WAS A FEELING FOR THE LOCALS.

EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE TAKING THE MAJORITY OF THE WATER FROM THE CITY, WE'RE ON ELMDALE AND WE HAVE HAMBY, AND THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER, GIVEN THE TIME FRAME THAT YOU HAVE FOR GETTING NEW WATER PIPES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE. WE'RE ALREADY PUT ON RESTRICTIONS AT SOME TIME BECAUSE OF THE DROUGHTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY GOOD RAIN IN A LONG WHILE, AND WE'VE ONLY GOT A FINITE AMOUNT THAT'S ALREADY STORED FOR US, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS HOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE OF US THAT ARE LOCAL.

WE HAVE IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE FROM I MEAN, FROM ELMDALE ROAD BACK ALL THE WAY. YOU'VE GOT THREE. IT LOOKS TO BE THREE MOTORHOME PARKS ALREADY IN THERE.

WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN HAS JUST NOW PUTTING IN EIGHT NEW UNITS.

WE HAVE OTHER INDUSTRY GOING ON ON THE VERY FAR END OVER TOWARD FRANKLIN.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDING MORE WATER LINES IN THERE.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS WATER.

IN THE CASE, FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIRE HYDRANTS IN THERE.

IF WE HAVE A FIRE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPEN FIELD OUT THERE.

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AND WE HAVE BARE MINIMUM WATER PRESSURE, AND I DO NOT KNOW WHO TO ADDRESS THAT TO.

WHETHER IT'S YOU GO BACK TO HAMBY OR WHAT WOULD BE THE GOOD RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.

THE THERE ACTUALLY WAS A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH ABILENE AND OUR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS.

WHICH ONE IS HAMBY? AND YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE SITUATIONS AT THE CURRENT TIME, WE FEEL WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD TO HAVE. THANK YOU. JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

IS THAT IS WATER FOR THIS PROPERTY COMING FROM HAMBY OR FROM ABILENE? FROM ABILENE. SO THIS THIS WON'T COME FROM WON'T IMPACT THE HAMBY WATER.

YEAH. JAN PRICE NEXT.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

WE HAVE CONCERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE. FIRST OF ALL, THE TRAFFIC SPEED IS OVER THERE.

AND IF YOU CAN PUT A LIGHT IN FOR US. I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE IMMEDIATELY, BUT IF THIS TRAFFIC KEEPS GOING, IT'S PRETTY DANGEROUS TO COME OUT. IT'S GOING TO BE A CHICK FIL A ON THAT CORNER IF THEY'RE TRYING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T GET ANOTHER ENTRANCE INTO THIS PLACE OFF HIGHWAY 80, AND WHY THEY'RE BOTH ON ELMDALE ROAD.

AND HAS THE FIRE MARSHAL APPROVED THIS? THAT THERE'S IS ADEQUATE FOR THEM TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE? THAT'S A CONCERN OF OURS. IF IT'S ADEQUATE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, IF THERE'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE PLUS THEIR SPOUSES.

SO LET'S SAY 1500 PEOPLE IN THERE. SO THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US.

ULA SCHOOL, MY TWO OF MY CHILDREN OUT OF THREE GRADUATED THERE.

IT'S NOT VERY BIG. ARE THEY GOING TO BRING A LOT OF KIDS IN? IS THERE GOING TO BE ROOM FOR THE CHILDREN AT ULA? THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME. ZONING, WE JUST REALLY THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE REALLY THERE'S NO NOBODY ON OUR STREET THAT WANTS THIS.

I UNDERSTAND ABILENE HAS TO STEP FORWARD. I COME FROM BIG TOWNS, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE 34 YEARS.

I LOVE ABILENE. IT'S A GOOD PLACE. BUT, YOU KNOW, ZONING.

WE WANT TO BE PROTECTED AFTER THIS IS OVER, THAT SOMETHING CRUMMY DOESN'T COME IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUYING THIS PROPERTY.

THEY'RE JUST LEASING IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTERWARDS? THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH.

BUT WE'D LIKE IT TO BE LOWERED TO 500 INSTEAD OF 1000.

BUT I UNDERSTAND ABILENE HAS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT NOBODY IN OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY IS FOR IT.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. CLINT DOAN.

BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. DID HE HAVE A COMMENT? PLEASE RECORD MY SUPPORT FOR TEN AND 11. HE SAYS KYLE HASPEL ALSO DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

ONCE SUPPORT FOR TEN AND 11 RECORDED ROSS STRAIN.

I BELIEVE MY COMMENTS ARE BETTER AFTER 11. OKAY.

IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, THAT'S FINE. WE'LL SET THAT ASIDE. FOR THE NEXT ONE.

GREG, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO ATTEMPT THAT LAST NAME. YOU'RE THE DEVELOPER. DO YOU WANT TO DO 10 OR 11? I'LL JUST COME UP AND AND INTRODUCE MYSELF AND GREG AND THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR CONSIDERING THIS, THIS ZONE REQUEST.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

AND, OF COURSE, WE'LL GIVE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THE NEXT ITEM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN. I HAVE TWO CARDS ON 11 FOR ESTHER MOLATE AND ERIC JOHNSON.

WE'LL GET TO THOSE WHEN WE GET TO NUMBER 11. WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM TEN.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? OH, I WANT TO TAKE A QUICK TIME. THE TRAFFIC LIGHT BEING REQUESTED WOULD HAVE TO BE A DOT PROJECT.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE HAVE MET WITH DOT. YES, SIR.

AND SO THERE'S A STUDY AND WE KNOW WORKING WITH DOT, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A LOT THERE SOME DAY.

BUT IT TAKES A WHILE WORKING WITH DOT. YES. THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY OUR FIRE WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BY COUNCILMAN PRICE ON STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

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I DON'T THINK IT WILL AFFECT YOU, THE SCHOOL, BUT THAT'S JUST A I'M JUST ANSWERING THE QUESTION TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

SO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YOU ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. DID YOU CAN YOU COULD YOU OPEN IT BACK UP? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I HAD JUST A FEW THOUGHTS ON THIS AND I KNOW THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CIP, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH I THINK WILL ADDRESS 1 OR 2 OF THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LAND AFTER ITS CURRENT PROPOSED USE ENDS, WHAT WHAT ARE THE NEIGHBORS LEFT WITH? AND I THINK THAT'S THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN 11.

THIS IS JUST THE BASE ZONING FOR IT. I STILL HAVE CONCERNS, AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO I THINK IT WAS NUMBER SEVEN, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, I DROVE AROUND ON MONDAY AROUND 4:00.

I DROVE AROUND THIS PROPOSED SITE, AND THEN I WENT UP JUST FURTHER UP ON ELMDALE TO THEIR OTHER SAME DEVELOPERS DOING THE THE MUCH LARGER, I THINK ABOUT DOUBLE A LITTLE OVER DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE OF THIS PROPOSED RV PARK AND UP ON ELMDALE RIGHT OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT ONE. AND. IT'S IMPRESSIVE.

I MEAN, THE SCOPE OF THIS IS IS MIND BOGGLING.

IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN OUT THERE, GO GO CHECK IT OUT.

WHY I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.

AND WHAT I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE WAS WE THEY IT WASN'T, WASN'T OUR COUNTY.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SHACKLEFORD, I GUESS. SHACKELFORD COUNTY HAD THREE SHERIFFS DIRECTING TRAFFIC AT 351 AND ELMDALE.

AND THEN THERE WERE TWO OTHER, INTERSECTIONS BEING DIRECTED BY SHERIFFS.

AND THIS WAS JUST A MONDAY AT FOUR, SO I'M ASSUMING AND I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, BUT I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT THEY HAVE THEM OUT IN THE MORNINGS AND THE EVENINGS.

KIND OF LIKE WHEN WHEN A BIG CHURCH LETS OUT, THEY PROBABLY HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL OUT THERE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE CASE HERE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US AS THE CITY TO FACTOR IN.

NOW, THE I ASSUME THE SHACKELFORD COUNTY IS FOOTING THAT BILL EVERY DAY.

AND THIS WAS JUST IN THE AFTERNOON ON MONDAY AT FOUR, BUT THEY HAD THREE, I THINK, THREE SHERIFFS AT ONE INTERSECTION AND THEN AND THEN PROBABLY TWO AT ANOTHER ONE AND 1 OR 2 AT ANOTHER ONE.

SO THERE WAS PROBABLY 7 OR 8 OFFICERS THERE JUST ON A RANDOM MONDAY DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

NOW THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN OFF DUTY. AND SO OUR, OUR POLICE OFFICERS MAY BE LOOKING AT THIS GOING, OH, THIS IS GREAT. BUT IF, IF THE COUNTY'S HAVING TO FOOT THAT BILL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FACTOR IN AS A CITY GOING, HEY, THIS IS A THIS IS NOT 351. THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER ROAD WITH A MUCH MORE IMPACTED INTERSECTION AT THE AT THE HIGHWAY THAT WE'RE FOR SURE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE POLICE PRESENCE DIRECTING TRAFFIC, I WOULD ASSUME, BASED ON THAT ONE UP THERE, AND IT HASN'T REALLY EVEN OPENED YET. IT'S GOT GOT SOME, BUT NOT NOT MUCH YET.

BASED ON THAT TRAFFIC ALONE. WE HAVE TO FACTOR IN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL UP THERE EVEN WITH LIGHTS UP.

AND SO THAT WAS AN EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE. LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTIONS LEFT AND RIGHT, DRIVING DOWN, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO THE RV PARK, IT WAS ABOUT 20, 25 CARS DEEP WAITING TO TURN IN TURN TURN OUT.

IT WAS IT WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. I, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WHO WHO DROVE OUT THERE WOULD WANT HERE OR IN THE ROOM WOULD WANT TO SWITCH SPOTS, SWITCH HOUSES WITH WITH ANYONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED SITE ON ELMDALE.

I CERTAINLY WANT TO WOULDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE ACROSS FROM THIS.

IT'S EASY FOR US TO SAY PROGRESS, BUT MY HOUSE IS NOT ACROSS FROM THIS.

YOU KNOW, THE MAYORS OR ANYONE ELSE UP HERE, THEIR HOUSE IS NOT ACROSS FROM THIS.

I THINK IF MY HOUSE WAS ACROSS FROM THIS, I'D HAVE SOME. I'D BE I'D BE UP IN ARMS UP FOR ME.

AND THIS GOES BACK TO SEVEN. THIS IS WHY I THINK WE NEED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BEFORE THIS COMES BEFORE US.

BECAUSE FOR ME, THIS IS A MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY.

FOR ME, I THINK IT'S WE SHOULDN'T APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS.

NOW, I'M ALL FOR GETTING MORE HOUSING. THE DEVELOPER, I'VE MET WITH HIM.

HE'S VERY NICE. I THINK HE'S GOING TO DO GOOD THINGS.

I THINK FOR US AS COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO BE THAT BALANCE OF WHAT'S GOOD FOR OUR CITY FOR THE NEXT TEN, 15 YEARS. AND I THINK IT'S HARD FOR US TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION ON THIS PROJECT WITHOUT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S THE MAIN ARTERY FOR MID AND SOUTH ABILENE GETTING ONTO TO I-20 AND HEADING OUT THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE

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WE MAY BE ON THE HOOK FOR 2 MILLION, 5 MILLION, WHATEVER WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE THIS USABLE.

IT'S A I UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY FOR THE DEVELOPER PUT AS MUCH IN ONE SPOT AS POSSIBLE, IT'S MORE ECONOMICAL.

IT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS. BUT IS IT GOOD FOR THE CITY? MY FEELING IS I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION YET ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

SO THAT'S MY MY POSITION WOULD BE WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY OR YOU KNOW, AS AS IS WITHOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, THIS ISSUE IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A LESS INTENSIVE USE.

ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THAT? WELL, IT'S BEING TIED WITH, WITH 11.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I VIEW THEM TOGETHER. SO YOUR COMMENTS ARE BASICALLY FOR THE CUP.

WELL AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR TIM. IT'S A WHAT IF THAT WAS NOT APPROVED.

YEAH. AND THERE ARE OTHER NOW GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES.

I MEAN THEY COULD BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL PLANT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EVERYBODY BY RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED.

YEAH. SO THAT WOULD NOT COME BEFORE US. YEAH, THAT.

SO WE'RE ZONING IT FOR A LESS INTENSIVE USE. RIGHT.

AND YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THAT? I WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION FROM TIM, BECAUSE MY THINKING IS.

AND THIS IS I'M THINKING ALONG YOUR LINES. I'M THINKING ALONG YOUR LINES.

AND THIS IS WHERE TIM CAN GIVE US CLARIFICATION. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS, WELL, WE APPROVE THIS, BUT WE TABLE OR WE DON'T APPROVE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE NEXT ITEM.

AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY ZONED UNDER TEN, WE'VE ZONED IT TO GC.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPER GOES, WELL, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO PURSUE THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF THE COPY.

I'M GOING TO MODIFY AND GO THIS ROUTE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE ZONING AND SO WE'VE LOST CONTROL OF THAT DIRECTION.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I VIEW THEM TOGETHER. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

YOU COULD SAY, WELL, THIS IS A LESSER USE. AND THEN THE DEVELOPER COULD COME AND DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. HE COULD BUILD A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT RIGHT ACROSS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FITS IN GC, BUT WHATEVER. AND SO I'M VIEWING THEM AS TOGETHER BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC. LET ME LET ME STEP IN.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITEM TEN, WHICH IS ZONING CHANGE.

SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE CUP.

I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME CONFUSING. I'M CONFUSED, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE.

THE CUP AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS WILL COME ON THE NEXT ITEM, RIGHT? SO I JUST I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS.

I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO MOVED.

HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN YATES. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ESPINOSA.

READY TO VOTE? ONE NO. FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAGAN.

THE REST ARE YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 11.

AND I'LL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM, WHICH IS THE CUP.

[11. Ordinance (Final Reading) CUP-2025-18: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion Public Hearing, and Take Action on a Request from the Owner, to Apply a Conditional Use Permit to a Property to Allow an RV Park. Located At 1202 Elmdale Road. (Tim Littlejohn)]

IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 202518 OWNER IS WALTER HENDERSON BLACKBURN.

THE THIRD AGENT IS COURTNEY NORRIS. WITH THE REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN RV PARK IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING LOCATED AT 1202 ELMDALE ROAD. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. IT'S NOT CURRENT ANYMORE, BUT IT'S JUST GOT APPROVED FOR GC PROPERTY VIEWS.

HERE ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AS YOU CAN SEE, A VACATION TRAVEL TRAILER PARK DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN. NOTIFICATIONS WORSE THAN OUT.

WE DID RECEIVE SIX IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN 11% IN OPPOSITION PERCENTAGE.

HERE'S SOME OF THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TEN UNITS PER ACRE, TYPE B BUFFER SHALL BE REQUIRED.

PRIVATE DRIVES SHALL MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF THE FIRE CODE AND LDC WIDTH AND STRIPED AS FIRE LANES.

DUMPING STATIONS SHALL BE LOCATED A MINIMUM OF 200FT FROM ANY RV SITE AND 300FT FROM ANY NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL USE.

A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL BE REQUIRED, AND PUBLIC TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESULT OF THE IMPACT

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PHASE CONSTRUCTION OKAY WITH CITY ENGINEER APPROVAL AND PARK SHALL HAVE DIRECTIONAL AND PAD SITE SIGNAGE CLEARLY MARKED FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

PAVING SHALL CONSIST OF CONCRETE, ASPHALT OR CHIPSEAL AND PARKING SHALL ONLY BE IN DESIGNATED PARKING.

IMPROVED AREAS. NO PARKING ON FIRE LANES AND SETBACKS SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH, AND OF COURSE, THE OFFICE ONE WILL BE CORRECTED AT THE TIME OF THE APPROVAL OR NOT.

THIS. THIS REQUEST MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE. THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND CONCEPT PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR TIM. SO. WELL, I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO KIND OF SPOTLIGHT THE CONDITIONS ON THIS CUP.

AND I HOPE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEM. ONE, THIS PROJECT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST PASSED NUMBER SEVEN TO. IT'S A LIMITED TERM. CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, TEN YEAR PERMIT.

IT HAS TO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY.

TIM, WILL YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? AND WHEN WE RECEIVE THE RESULTS OF OF THE IMPACT STUDY.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN THAT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THEIR ENGINEER AND THEN OUR ENGINEERING STAFF TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.

IF THERE'S SOME TURN LANES REQUIRED, SOME POSSIBLY, MAYBE EVEN A SIGNAL LIGHT.

I KNOW THEY MET WITH TXDOT, BUT THE THEIR ENGINEER COULD PROBABLY SPEAK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT TAKES ABOUT 30 DAYS OR SO TO GET THAT DONE.

AND IN 30 DAYS. EXCUSE ME. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR THE STUDY? I'M SORRY. NOT THE LIE THAT TAKES. THAT TAKES A MINUTE. BUT THAT'D BE A WORLD RECORD SPEED, RIGHT? BUT THEY. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'VE STARTED THE THE TRAFFIC STUDY NOW.

IT'S IN PROCESS. AND THEY COULD PROBABLY THEIR ENGINEER COULD PROBABLY SPEAK ON THAT.

SO TALK ABOUT PHASE CONSTRUCTION WITH CITY ENGINEER APPROVAL.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BEFORE THE ANY OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE TRAFFIC SITUATIONS ARE ARE TO BEGIN.

THEY, THE CITY ENGINEER, CAN ALLOW THEM TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THE GRADING, SOME OF THE UNDERGROUND UTILITY WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

JUST START PHASING IT IN. AND THAT WAY, BY THE TIME HOPEFULLY IT'LL ALL GET DONE AT THE END AROUND THE SAME TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU. TIM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT'S ON HERE IS THAT ALL OF THE PRIVATE DRIVES SHALL MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF THE FIRE CODE, THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND BE STRIPED AS A FIRE LANE.

HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT IF IF SOMEBODY PARKS ON THAT PRIVATE DRIVE, DOES OUR PD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO ON THEIR PRIVATE DRIVE AND ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS FOR PARKING IN THE FIRE LANE? IT'S A CAN BE COMPLAINT BASED. SOMEBODY PARKING IN THE FIRE LANE OR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE CAN OBSERVE.

SINCE IT IS A DEDICATED FIRE LANE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK WITHIN THERE.

THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ADDED IN THERE JUST TO FOR SOME CLARITY TO FURTHER ENFORCE.

WE DON'T WANT ANY PARKING ON THE DRIVES. BUT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT, TO BE FIRE MARSHAL, ISSUING FIRE MARSHAL, MARSHAL VIOLATIONS TO THE OPERATOR.

I GUESS THE OPERATOR. YES, SIR. AS OPPOSED TO THE PERSON DOING THE PARKING, THEY'D BE THE THE VEHICLE, THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, NOT THE OPERATOR. THE OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCIL AND STAFF WORKING ON THIS, AND WE GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY WITH THE FINAL VERSION.

ONE THING THAT HAD BEEN ADDED THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL VERSION IS THERE'S A NO NOISE MITIGATION SECTION WHERE GENERATORS ARE PROHIBITED.

AND WE HAD ADDED AN EXCEPTION THAT THEY CAN BE USED DURING A GRID FAILURE.

THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED DURING THE MOTION. SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE PRINTED COPY.

AND THEN I ASSUME WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE MAIN OFFICE DISCUSSION IN THERE.

RIGHT. SAME THING. SO WITH THE PHASE CONSTRUCTION, THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.

BECAUSE LIKE ELMDALE ROAD, WHEN WHEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE.

AN IMPROVEMENT LIKE THIS. THE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF THE ROAD.

AND THEN IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OTHER SIDE.

WOULDN'T IT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THE FULL SECTION OF ELMDALE THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ALL AT ONCE INSTEAD OF PHASING THAT?

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THAT'S USUALLY DECIDED LATER DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, BUT IT'S ALLOWED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THE PARK ITSELF.

THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN THERE. NO COS WOULD BE ISSUED.

THEY COULDN'T USE THE PARK UNTIL ALL THESE OTHERS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.

IT'S JUST KIND OF A SAFETY NET FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.

SO DOES THE TIA DRIVE THE WIDTH OF THE CHANGE FOR ELMDALE? YES, SIR. IT'LL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. EVEN THE TXDOT RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW ENGINEERING MET WITH TEXDOT, I WASN'T THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT WAS. BUT IT'S EVERYTHING'S STARTING TO ROLL.

I THOUGHT THE PHASED CONSTRUCTION WAS THE. THEY'RE NOT BUILDING A THOUSAND AT ONCE.

IT WAS PAGE TWO. 45 IS 100 AND THEN 200 AND THEN 200.

THAT. THAT WAS HOW I INTERPRETED THE PHASE CONSTRUCTION, NOT THE ROAD.

I ROAD. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SEPARATE ISSUE. WELL, IT SAYS THEN AT NUMBER TEN IT SAYS TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL BE REQUIRED.

ELMDALE ROAD SHALL BE IMPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESULTS OF THE IMPACT STUDY, OR FINANCIALLY SECURED BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPATIONS ARE ISSUED.

PHASE CONSTRUCTION OKAY. SO IT'S THAT SAME SENTENCE HAS PHASE CONSTRUCTION IN ELMDALE ROAD.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT. SO IF IF THE TIA CALLS FOR A WIDER ROAD AND THERE'S A NEED TO GET PROPERTY FROM ACROSS THE STREET FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.

HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT STAFF WORKS OUT? THAT'S ALL WORKED OUT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

THE PROPONENTS PROPERTY. AND SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO ENCROACH INTO THEIR FRONT YARD.

RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE ALL DONE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUIREMENT.

THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO ACQUIRE SOME IF THAT WAS REQUIRED.

OKAY. IF I MAY CLARIFY, WE ARE PULLING THIS CUP OUTSIDE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY DO FOR SHARING OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE CUP IS APPLYING HERE AND NOT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER.

SO THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE LDC LANGUAGE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. TIM I KNOW. SORRY. GO AHEAD. ON THE CONDITIONS HAS LIMITED TO MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TEN UNITS PER ACRE. THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN HERE DOES THE.

WHAT WE JUST PASSED WITH THE RV PARK ORDINANCE.

IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THAT PLAN DRAMATICALLY? NO, IT'S WHEN THEY DESIGNED THIS, THEY HAD AN EARLY VERSION OF THE UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THEY DESIGNED IT AT TEN UNITS PER ACRE. THIS WAS THIS WAS DONE BEFORE THE OTHER ONE GOT ADOPTED.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THAT ONE WAS DELAYED, WE HAD SOME OF THE SAME STIPULATIONS IN THIS ONE.

SO AS PART OF THIS CUP, THEY WOULD NEED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

CORRECT? YES THEY WOULD. YES, SIR. AND SO THIS NEVER BECOMES BEFORE US AGAIN.

RIGHT. IF IT'S APPROVED TODAY. NO, SIR. SO WE NEVER SEE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

COUNCIL WISE. RIGHT? NO, YOU WOULD NOT. THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD.

AND SO WALK US THROUGH WITH THE, LET'S SAY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY COMES BACK AND SAYS THE ELMDALE NEEDS TO BE WIDENED BY, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE TWO LANES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THEIR DEVELOPMENT UP FURTHER UP ON ELMDALE, THEY'VE GOT TWO LANES GOING EITHER WAY. AND THEN THEY'VE GOT A TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT GOING DOWN THEIR MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, ELMDALE NEEDS TO BE TWO GOING EACH WAY WITH A MIDDLE TURN LANE AND TWO LIGHTS AT EACH OF THE EXITS AND ENTRANCES, AND THEN A LIGHT AT HIGHWAY 8020. WHETHER IT'S A FOUR WAY LIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGH IMPACT TRAFFIC, LET'S SAY STAFF THEN IS THE ONE THAT WHAT DOES STAFF DO AT THAT POINT BASED ON THE

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IF. BUT IT'S STATED IN HERE THAT THE DEVELOPER SHALL BEAR ALL THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED.

THAT'S AS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOOK AT TOO MANY TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, SO EDUCATE ME.

BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK IN AND SAYS, HEY, THIS WILL HAVE A HIGH IMPACT, A VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC IMPACT. IS IT MEDIUM? IS IT LIGHT? HOW IS THAT? HOW IS THAT RELAYED? IS IT IS IT AN ACTUAL COUNT? WE PROJECT 10,000 CARS ON THIS ROAD FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

WHAT IS THE RESULT? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF MY EXPERTISE.

OKAY. I THINK THEIR ENGINEER COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT TO YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I COULD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION. WELL, WHY? I'M ASKING. JORDAN, PLEASE COME UP. SINCE WE'RE ON THIS QUESTION.

WHY I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE FEELING THE IMPACT OF THIS.

AND I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT CAN THEY EXPECT TO SEE IN A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

I'M LETTING JORDAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT OPEN YET.

THIS IS JUST TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. OKAY. SURE.

THANK YOU. JORDAN HIBBS WITH THE AS AS NOTED, WE HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED DUNAWAY TO DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS.

HE DID SOME SOME REAL PRELIMINARY STUFF FOR ME.

TRAFFIC COUNTS IS BASED ON IT. TRIP GENERATION, THE 12TH EDITION THAT THAT NOW TXDOT USES.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT TO REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BLAZE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT PEAK HOUR TRIPS IS WHAT THEY LOOK AT.

AND THEN WHAT THAT JUSTIFIES FROM A TRAFFIC DESIGN STANDPOINT OF IS IT JUST STOP SIGNS? IS IT LIGHTS? IS IT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? SO AND WE CAN GET INTO THIS MORE LATER IF YOU WANT.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE AT THE PEAK 945 TOTAL EXPECTED UNITS AM PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, WHICH IS IN THAT THAT MORNING TRAFFIC TIME IS 246 TRIPS PM.

OUR PEAK TRAFFIC 435 TRIPS DURING ONE PEAK HOUR IS THE WAY THAT IS CALCULATED BASED ON THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY WITH THIS TYPE OF USE. SO IT'S A THERE'S A VERY SET STANDARD FOR HOW THESE THINGS ARE CALCULATED AND DONE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WITH AN ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE DATA YOU'LL USE TO DECIDE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE STOP SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE OFF THE TABLE. BUT STOPLIGHTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND HOW LONG THE LIGHTS ARE RED AND GREEN AND HOW OFTEN THEY CROSS TRAFFIC MOVE AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING, POTENTIALLY.

YES. I MEAN, THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE CITY'S GOING TO TAKE THAT AND SAY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SAYS X, YOU HAVE TO DO X. SO AND THAT AND THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND IT'S AND IT'S NOT JUST THE THE STOP SIGNS, LIGHTS, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S THE TURN LANES AND AND IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROAD.

YEAH. CORRECT. AND IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ALL HAS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY OPEN, OR IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE THE RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO USE THEIR ROAD AS IS, WHICH IS VERY THIN AND IN ROUGH CONDITION? IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE RV PARK, BE USING IT WHILE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO? YEAH, I, I WOULD YEAH, I'D PROBABLY SPEAK OUT OF TURN IF I TRIED TO ANSWER THAT.

THANK YOU JORDAN. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHERE THE PHASE TWO APPROVALS COULD COME INTO PLAY WITH BY THE CITY ENGINEER. IF HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE TRAFFIC COUNT.

IF THEY DO, SAY, 100 UNITS AT FIRST AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT OR TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC CONCERN TO THEM, A SAFETY CONCERN THEY COULD OPEN UP THE FIRST HUNDRED UNITS, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE ENGINEER.

OUR ENGINEER. OKAY. AS FAR AS PHASING, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SAY, WELL, I'LL JUST BUILD AND I'LL USE THE ROAD OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AS WE DO THESE STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND LIGHTS.

WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. I'M JUST THINKING OF THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? POTENTIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD AS IS.

IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S THAT NOT AS IS.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE REQUIREMENT OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS IT'S GOING TO GIVE OUR TEAM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AS FAR AS

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AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO SAY LAST QUESTION BECAUSE TRAVIS WILL JUMP ON ME, BUT I THINK IT'S MY LAST QUESTION.

NO IT'S NOT IF SO RIGHT NOW ALL THE COSTS ARE ON THE DEVELOPER.

SO AS FAR AS MOVING UTILITIES, REPAVING, INSTALLING TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON ELMDALE OR AT BUSINESS 8020.

WHETHER THAT'S TEXT OR THE DEVELOPER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET ANYTHING AS FAR AS CITYWIDE FOR FOR ANY CHANGES OR IMPROVEMENTS ON ELMDALE OR BUSINESS 80. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECT.

ANYTHING CITY RELATED, WE WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TEXDOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE WOULD PAY FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND TEXDOT.

RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT ON THE HOOK FOR NO, SIR, FOR ANYTHING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER IT'S TIM OR JORDAN.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY. AND A LOT OF THE STUDENTS FROM ACU, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF IT IS A PRECISE, ENFORCEABLE CONDITION THAT IS A PREEMPTIVE MEASURE TO AVOID CONSTRUCTION CHAOS.

SO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING IS GREAT, BUT IT IS PREEMPTIVE MEASURES TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOT JUST YOU, BUT ALL OF US ARE THINKING OF OUR CITIZENS, AND OUR CITY STAFF IS ALWAYS THINKING OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, 100%, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

BUT I APPRECIATE DEFINITELY THE DIALOG AND THE DISCOURSE.

AND I WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING, TIM, WHILE YOU'RE UP. SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL BE REQUIRED.

PUBLIC TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESULTS OF THE IMPACT STUDY BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY ARE ISSUED.

I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY CANNOT USE THE PARK UNTIL THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WITH THE PHASE CONSTRUCTION THERE IS THE TOOL OF A CONDITIONAL TEMPORARY TYPE CEOS THAT CAN BE ISSUED IN PHASES JUST LIKE THAT.

IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO START WITH 100 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, WE COULD DO THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY 100 UNITS. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND WE CAN DO AS THAT.

AS THAT EXPANDS, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO EXPAND BEFORE THEY CAN USE THE IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ONE FOLLOW UP JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR LAST QUESTION. I TOLD YOU AN IDEA.

YEAH, IT WASN'T IN THAT SECTION. YOU ASKED A QUESTION ALREADY, SO I RESTART. NOW I GOT A WHOLE NEW SET OF QUESTIONS. NO.

FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SEVERAL. CAN YOU GIVE THEM A TIMELINE OF.

OKAY, THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE TALKING STREET IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. THE STUDY'S GOT TO HAPPEN FIRST.

GIVE THEM A SENSE OF IS, IS THIS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS? SIX MONTHS? IS THIS A FIVE YEAR STREET PROJECT WITH THE LIGHTS? GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT ON THAT ROAD.

THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO ANSWER WITHOUT THE FULL RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE.

COULD YOU DO MAYBE WORST CASE SCENARIO, LET'S SAY WE HAVE TO DO HIGH IMPACT EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT.

WORST CASE SCENARIO RIGHT NOW HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT.

BUT BUT I THINK THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS FOR THEM.

AND AGAIN THIS IS THEIR HOMESTEAD. AND SO, I MEAN, THEY'VE PUT THEIR LIFE AND THEIR MONEY INTO THIS HOME.

AND THE CITY'S COMING IN AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS PROJECT.

FAIR ENOUGH. BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR 2 OR 3.

AND THIS IS WHY I WANT THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE WE DO THESE PROJECTS.

THIS IS WHERE I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. BUT BASED ON YOUR CAN YOU GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WHAT TO EXPECT? OR IS THIS A YEAR PROJECT? IS THIS A FIVE YEAR PROJECT? IS THEIR ROAD GOING TO BE TORN UP FOR FOR HOW LONG? TIM. KIND OF CLARIFY THAT TOO. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT ELMDALE ROAD ONLY THAT'S THE CITY ROAD OKAY.

BECAUSE THE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT, AT THE INTERSTATE WILL BE TXDOT.

SO THEY CAN'T GET A CEO UNTIL THESE A COMPLETE CEO UNTIL THESE UNTIL THE WHOLE WHATEVER THE RESULT IS MADE.

SO YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ELMDALE BEING FIXED WITHIN A YEAR.

DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT CORRECT? IT COULD TAKE A YEAR TO 15, 16 MONTHS.

IS THAT FAIR? YEAH. OKAY. DOES THAT KIND OF GIVE YOU A YEAR AND A HALF? A YEAR AND A HALF OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF TIM? THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 11, PLEASE COME FORWARD. GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. WE'LL START WITH CARDS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. STRAIN. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING ROSS.

STRAIN WITH JH STRAIN AND SONS. MAN I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU.

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BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM JUST PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT JORDAN WAS SAYING ON THE PEAK HOURS TRIPS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT'S GOING IN AND OUT OF WALMART AT THOSE TIMES OR TARGETS AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE, WHAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE DESIGNED TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT IS A DSL LANE, A TURN LANE TO GET EVERYONE OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT YOUR THROUGH TRAFFIC CAN KEEP GOING.

EVERYONE TURNING CAN MOVE OVER AND GO BUT GREG HAS BEEN EVEN SINCE THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COMING AND GOING. HEY, HOW CAN WE HELP ALLEVIATE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE? HOW CAN WE HELP, YOU KNOW, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND ELMDALE IS TWO DIFFERENT HIGHWAYS.

IT'S 520, I THINK, NORTH OF I-20 AND 123 SOUTH OF I 20.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BREAK STARTS AT 18 RIGHT THERE, BUT TEX-DOT WILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO APPROVE WHATEVER TRAFFIC PLAN IS DEEMED NECESSARY. BUT AS FAR AS THE SPEED AND THE DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION GOES, THESE GUYS ARE ABOUT EFFICIENCY. THEY WANT TO GET IN. THEY WANT TO GET IT DONE, AND THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

I MEAN, HE HAS DONE REALLY FAST WORK ON THE PROJECT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS NORTH OF TOWN.

I MEAN, I BELIEVE THEY GOT 300 UNITS OPEN REALLY, REALLY FAST.

AND HIS WHOLE GOAL IS TO BE AS SMALL OF AN IMPACT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT'S DISRUPTIVE.

BUT THE FINAL PRODUCT, I THINK WILL OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS, WILL OUTWEIGH THE TEMPORARY DISRUPTION FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.

BUT THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY, VERY PROACTIVE IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLEVIATE ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU WANT SOMEONE AS PROACTIVE AS THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN.

YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT CAME AND GOT THE MESSAGE BOARDS FOR THE PROJECT NORTH OF TOWN SAID, WE NEED THEM NOW. WE NEED THEM TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO HELP.

AND SO THEY WENT AND GOT THEM, AND THEN THEY GOT APPROVAL TO GO PUT THEM OUT AFTER THEY MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE AVAILABLE.

YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE PROBLEMS. REALLY BEFORE THEY BEFORE THEY HAPPEN. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REACTIONARY PROCESS.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A PROACTIVE GROUP OF PEOPLE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S GOT TO DO IT, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND THESE GUYS.

BUT THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANKS, ROSS. ESTHER.

MOLATE. HELLO I'M ESTHER MOLATE WITH BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOMESERVICES DOVER REALTORS. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF ABILENE.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS. THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING IN ABILENE.

AND THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE HOUSING MARKET AND ALSO THE INFLATED RENT FOR OTHERS IN THE MARKET. I CURRENTLY HAVE BUYERS WHO CANNOT FIND HOMES BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE AVAILABLE.

WE NEED MORE HOMES AND THIS WOULD HELP. IT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE INFLATED LOT PRICES.

I JUST VISITED ON TUESDAY WITH A SWEET LITTLE LADY.

HER LOT PRICE WENT UP. SHE'S ON A FIXED INCOME.

SHE CAN'T AFFORD THE INFLATED LOT PRICES. AS THE AGENT FOR THE OWNER OF THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET MY CLIENTS ARE AWARE OF. AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED.

SORRY, I DON'T USUALLY SPEAK AT THESE THINGS.

THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN ABILENE. AND THIS WOULD HELP WITH THE BURDEN OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.

MY HOPE IS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS PERMIT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ERIC JOHNSON.

ERIC JOHNSON, 4633 SOUTH 14TH ABILENE. GOOD MORNING.

MAYOR, COUNCIL. CITY STAFF. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS.

AND IT DOESN'T GO UNWARRANTED. YOU GUYS ARE THE WATCHDOGS FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE.

I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 52 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

SOME THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN. AND I FEEL THIS IS A A REALLY GOOD THING FOR ABILENE BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

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THAT IMPACT FAR MORE THAN THIS WILL EVER IMPACT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES.

TEX-DOT IS ABOUT TO OPEN UP AND ADD TWO MORE LANES, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF INTERSTATE 20, FOR ABOUT 15 MILE STRETCH EAST OF THIS LOCATION AND THEN TO THE WEST OF ABILENE. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE DISRUPTION.

SO ALTERNATE ROUTES ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. PEOPLE FIGURE IT OUT.

THEY GO OTHER DIRECTIONS. FM 18 WILL TAKE YOU OVER TO 36, TO THE LOOP, TO I-20, OTHER DIRECTION.

THERE'S OTHER ACCESS POINTS TO TO RE REROUTE AND GO TO.

I MEAN, IT JUST HAPPENS. I LEFT A MEETING AND WAS HEADING BACK TO WORK I-20 SOUTH ON 277.

IT WAS AT 510 IN THE AFTERNOON ON TUESDAY, AND THERE WAS MINIMUM TWO MILES BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC ON CLARK STREET. TRYING TO GET ON WINTERS FREEWAY GOING SOUTH, COMING OUT OF LANSING AND ALL THAT.

AND THAT WAS JUST DAY WORKERS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST WORKING AND LIVE IN TOWN.

THEY'VE RENTED ALL THE HOUSES. IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, THERE WERE ABOUT 750 HOUSES FOR RENT.

TODAY OR AT THE END OF DECEMBER, THERE WERE ABOUT 70 HOUSES TO RENT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR THESE FOLKS TO GO.

THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING. THEY'RE COMING TO WORK.

THIS IS UPPER MANAGEMENT. THIS IS NOT A MAN CAMP.

IT'S NOT A RV PARK. THESE UNITS ARE LIKE TINY HOMES IN THIS.

UPPER MANAGEMENT IS NOT GOING TO LEAVE ALL AT THE SAME TIME IN THE MORNING, MY UNDERSTANDING.

OR LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME IN THE EVENING. IT'S NOT A 5:00, 8 TO 5 JOB.

IT IS A WE NEED YOU OVER HERE. TEN, 20, 30 PEOPLE GO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERMITTENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TENT IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON NOW, THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE VERY LOW, EVEN IF THERE WERE A THOUSAND UNITS AND A THOUSAND PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL AT ONE TIME, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE BRING IN MORE HOUSING, AND IF NOT HERE, THEN WHERE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN LOOKED AT AND STUDIED.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS TO IDENTIFY A LOCATION, AND WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ERIC. GREG.

WOULD YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME? GREG. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT.

THANK YOU. GREG. SEE WHY? YEAH. DON'T MESS THAT UP.

IT'S HARDER TO SPELL. I THINK I WAS ABOUT THE EIGHTH GRADE WHEN I FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I COULD SPELL IT.

SO AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

CLEARLY, TRAFFIC IS THE PARAMOUNT, PARAMOUNT CONCERN HERE.

WE'VE HEARD IT. WE'VE HEARD IT THE LAST TIME WE'VE RECOGNIZED IT.

WE ARE FOR SURE TAKING THE STEPS NECESSARY TO MITIGATE.

SUCH AS YOU HEARD FROM JORDAN. WE'VE ALREADY ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WE MADE SOMEWHAT OF A LOOSE COMMITMENT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WOULD COVER 100% OF THE COST.

AND YOUR WONDERFUL CITY MANAGER TOOK US UP ON THAT AND MADE THAT A REQUIREMENT.

AND AND WE UNDERSTAND AND WE RESPECT IT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A LOT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAS DONE WHEN THEY'VE COME HERE WITH A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT. SO I HOPE THAT THAT LANDS WHERE IT SHOULD, THAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IT FOR THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT WAY WITH THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, REASONS.

AND WE WANT TO BE WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SOMETHING THAT ERIC WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE FIGURING IT OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HUMAN. I MEAN, I WAS SOUTH OR.

EXCUSE ME, COMING BACK NORTH YESTERDAY ON 277 UP TO I 20.

AND OF COURSE, NOW THE CONCRETE BARRIERS ARE GOING UP FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. ALL THE TRAFFIC STOPPED BOTH WAYS.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DEAL WITH IT. WHAT DO WE DO? WE EXIT, WE REROUTE, WE DO ALL THOSE THINGS.

ONE OF THOSE VERY POSITIVE THINGS THAT'S OCCURRING TOGETHER WITH WHAT WE'RE SUPPORTING IS FROM 351 TO I-20, THE ENTIRE FM 604 IS BEING FULLY RESURFACED. AND THAT'S OCCURRING NOW.

AND I WOULD TELL YOU, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE TWO MONTHS. AND IT'S GOING TO GO PRETTY DARN QUICK, WHICH ALLOWS OUR FOLKS TO GO EITHER WAY, EITHER GO ELMDALE OR GO 18.

AND IF IT'S ME, I'M GOING 18 AND I'M GOING UP THE NEWLY PAVED ROAD NOW AND PUTTING LESS TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION.

WE HAVE REQUESTED WITH TXDOT TO DO A FOUR WAY STOP AT THE INTERSTATE INTERSECTION THERE.

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WE THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I DRIVE THROUGH THERE. IT'S SCARY. IT'S NERVE WRACKING. ABSOLUTELY.

BEFORE WE GET THERE. SO, I MEAN, WE'VE MADE THAT REQUEST.

WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT SOLUTION. YOU KNOW, TXDOT IS GOING TO DICTATE THAT, BUT THEY THEY DID ACQUIESCE VERY QUICKLY AT 351 AND 604, AS YOU WERE RELATED IN DISCUSSING EARLIER WHERE THE SHERIFFS ARE AND, AND THERE IS A FOUR WAY STOP THERE NOW, AND THAT'S THE DATA CENTER SITE. THERE'S NONE AT ELMDALE, BUT THERE ARE AT DATA CENTER SITE, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS SHACKLEFORD. AND NO, THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC BURDEN.

THAT PROJECT I KNOW FOR A FACT PAYS FOR THAT.

SO THE THE OFF DUTY UNITS THEY DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND SO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS POSITIVE FOR THE FOR ALL OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS.

SO I'M ABOUT DONE I THINK I'VE ADDRESSED IT, BUT I WANT TO SIT HERE AND ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM SPECIFICALLY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR GREG WHILE HE'S HERE? ONE ONE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THREE, FIVE, 20 YEARS WHENEVER YOU'RE DONE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY? SO FIRST OFF, IN OUR IT IS A LEASE THAT'S BEEN STATED.

WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN OUR LEASE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE, THE VERTICAL, ALL OF THE UNITS BASICALLY, WHICH ARE THE PARK MODEL RV UNITS THAT ARE WE CONSIDER COTTAGES.

AND SO THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE REMOVE THEM AT THE END OF OUR LEASE TERM.

SO WHENEVER WE CEASE OPERATIONS AND TERMINATE RELEASE, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THEM.

THE OTHER COMMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT OR NOT, BUT BUT I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO IT IN, IN OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT I'M ASSUMING OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IF WE NO LONGER OPERATE, SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO COME BACK HERE IF THEY WANT TO OPEN AN RV PARK AND GET THEIR OWN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND SUBMIT THEIR OWN PLAN AND THEIR OWN MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEIR ETC..

SO WE WE FOR SURE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE CLOSE, ALL UNITS ARE REMOVED AND THAT THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO LONGER EXISTS.

THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT? CERTAINLY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. NO, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RUNS WITH THE LAND, NOT THE LEASEE. BUT THE WAY THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN IT WITH THE THE PLAN OF OPERATION, ANYBODY WHO CAME IN AFTER THIS DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME IN LATER ON AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET THIS CUP MODIFIED BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE.

THIS IS SPECIFIC TO PEOPLE LIVING THERE HAVE TO WORK AT FRONTIER DATA CENTER.

THAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT. AND ANY NEW ONE, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WERE TO COME IN AFTER YOU, IT'D HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WORKING AT FRONTIER DATA CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LANGUAGE IN THE CUP. IT IS.

AND IT ALSO IS OUR UNITS, THE COTTAGE UNITS. IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL RV TRANSIENT TYPE PARK.

AND THAT IS IN OUR PLAN AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD BE ALSO REMAIN TO BE THE REQUIREMENT.

THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF GREG WHILE HE'S HERE? THANK YOU GREG. THANK YOU. NEXT CARD. NO MORE CARDS STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 11.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? GO AHEAD. OKAY. TAMMY FOGLE, RESIDENT OF ABILENE.

I FAILED TO MENTION THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME WAS SO HELPFUL.

I WAS VERY THANKFUL FOR Y'ALL'S WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE IN THIS AND SAY, WE NEED TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS BEFOREHAND.

I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE CITIZENS WANT TO HEAR, TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH THINGS AND THAT YOU LET US KNOW YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH THINGS. BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I SEE HAPPENED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

AND I THINK PART OF WHY THAT'S THERE IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF US BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WE CAN TRUST YOU FOR WHATEVER REASON. IT COULD BE SOME LEGITIMATE REASON.

IT COULD BE NOT A LEGITIMATE REASON. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE TRUST.

AND LIKE THE RV THING, THAT WAS JUST CHANGED.

YOU TOOK AWAY SOME OF THAT TRUST. SO THAT HAD THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BEEN REQUIRED FOR THE CUP, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT. YOU WOULD HAVE SAID IT'S ALL READY TO GO. THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE SAID, OKAY, AT LEAST WE KNOW THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF IT. BUT THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED, THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE WE PASS IT.

AND THAT'S A COMMUNICATION ERROR. IT'S OR IT'S NOT A LOGISTICS PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT IMPROVEMENT. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T SEE THE I MEAN, I'M IMPRESSED WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION CAUSES FEAR AND APPREHENSION.

AND THEN THAT SHIFTS THE WHOLE UNDERSTANDING AND FILTER ON WHICH YOU APPROACH THINGS.

AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE REMOVED THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

THIS WAS PRESENTED, THE RV THING. I LOOKED BACK IN MY NOTES BECAUSE I HAVE THEM ON MY IPAD IN NOVEMBER 1ST OF NOVEMBER.

THIS WAS A DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC, AND NOW IT'S BEEN REMOVED.

THIS MEETING WELL, IT'S BEEN APPROVED THIS MEETING.

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BUT AGAIN, I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING THROUGH THINGS.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE PAY ATTENTION.

YOU COMMUNICATE WELL AND IT CHANGES THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT OF THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE.

AND WE CAN GET EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE CAN BE EXCITED. BUT THAT'S THAT'S AN OLD HORSE THAT I'VE CONTINUED TO BEAT.

OR IS THAT THE RIGHT I DON'T KNOW IT'S TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION ARE A NECESSITY FOR US AS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO CHAMPION WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND I DON'T LIKE HAVING APPREHENSION. I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MOST OF YOU, AND I TALK TO YOU, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT HERE TRYING TO EVILLY PLAN.

YOU KNOW THE DEMISE OF THE CITY AND GET YOUR WEALTH AND POWER AND CONTROL.

RIGHT NOW THAT'S YOU ALL GET PAID A DOLLAR A YEAR.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT, BUT I JUST THINK THE COMMUNICATION PART COULD BE IMPROVED. AND I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION TODAY.

I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT THERE'S THE FOUR WAY STOP.

SOUNDS LIKE A NIGHTMARE. CLERK OVER THERE IN DANVILLE, OVER BY BELL'S CHICKEN.

DINNER IS A HOT MESS BECAUSE OF THE SAME. THEY'VE GOT LITTLE ONE, YOU KNOW, FOUR WAY STOPS.

IT'S A NIGHTMARE OVER THERE. SO WE'VE GOT SOME GROWING PAINS.

DO, BUT JUST COMMUNICATE AND TELL US. AND BY THE WAY, WHO IS THE CITY ENGINEER? I'VE LOOKED THAT UP. I KNOW EVERY PERSON ON STAFF FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THE CITY ENGINEER IS.

SO WHEN I LOOK ON THE WEBSITE, IT DOESN'T TELL ME WHO THAT IS.

SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO WE CAN KNOW WHO'S HOLDING THE CARDS WITH THESE CEOS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CAN WE CLARIFY THAT IN THIS CASE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED AND HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED, RIGHT. THAT THE GENERAL ORDINANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE NOT EVERY PROJECT NEEDS THAT.

THIS ONE, UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CUP, DOES NEED IT AND HAS IT RIGHT.

MR. RANCE, PLEASE. PLEASE PROCEED. HAPPY NEW YEAR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

FIRST TIME BACK HERE IN A WHILE. SO I JUST THOUGHT A CUP.

I TEND TO OVERSIMPLIFY THINGS, SO I'M GOING TO OVERSIMPLIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NO, WE DON'T SHIP REALLY BIG BOILERS EVERY DAY, BUT WE CREATE TRAFFIC JAM FOR US.

AND THIS WILL BE WHEN WE DO. IF WE SHIP THEM EVERY DAY.

WELL, YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. NOT SURE, BUT WE WISH WE COULD SHIP THEM BIG ONES EVERY DAY.

THE. AND YOU GOT TO TAKE CHANCES IN LIFE. I'M RENNTECH BOILERS, BY THE WAY, IN CASE YOU WONDER.

AND MAN, I TOOK A LOT OF RISK AND WITH A LOT OF UNKNOWN ANSWERS.

AND PEOPLE TOOK CHANCES WITH ME. AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.

IF WE HAD HAD ALL THE ANSWERS ON ALL A LOT OF STUFF I DID OUT THERE, WE WOULDN'T BE THERE.

I NEVER WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY. BILL NEVER WOULD HAVE TALKED ME INTO BUYING IT.

20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO. 29 BUT ANYHOW, THE REAL THING YOU'RE MISSING IS THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO CARPOOL.

I MEAN, HAVE YOU BEEN. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE. I WOULDN'T TAKE MY CAR OUT IN THAT PARKING LOT IF I HAD AN ALTERNATE, WHICH WOULD BE SOMEBODY I COULD GIVE FIVE BUCKS A DAY FOR GAS.

SO THERE'S THERE'S 25% OF YOUR OR 75% OF YOUR REDUCED TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE.

I JUST THERE'S SMART PEOPLE. THEY'RE GOING TO CARPOOL.

I REST MY CASE. THANK YOU. JACK. STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 11.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? HELLO? CYNTHIA ALVIDREZ. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN PULL UP THE OPPOSITION'S THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE SCREEN? OR IF YOU COULD HAVE TIM LITTLEJOHN COME UP HERE AND READ THOSE.

THAT'S THE FACTUAL QUESTION. FACTUAL ANSWER. HERE IT IS.

THE THE LETTERS THAT ARE IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THERE'S ONE FROM A JANE AND MELVIN PRICE. CAN YOU PULL THAT UP? THAT'S ME. YES. WE CAN'T PULL THOSE UP. IT'S NOT.

NOT ON THE SCREEN. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN PULL IT UP FROM THE AGENDA PACKET THAT'S ONLINE? NO, MA'AM. NO. OKAY. I GUESS MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NEXT TIME.

IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO INCLUDE THE OPPOSITION LETTERS IN THE IN THE REPORT BECAUSE IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA.

I MEAN, I KNOW THE CITIZENS COME UP HERE. SOME OF THEM DON'T. THERE'S ONE THAT WAS DATED AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE REGARDING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THE VALUE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, LOSS OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, DISRUPTION OF AGRICULTURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL SYSTEMS. AND THERE WAS ONE THAT THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, CONCERNED ABOUT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.

SO A FACTUAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THIS IS THIS GOING TO BE OPEN TO INDIVIDUALS WHO RECEIVE VOUCHERS FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? NO, MA'AM. IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT.

A CONCERN WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO RELY ON GOVERNMENT HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, VIA THE FORM OF VOUCHERS IS YOU GUYS, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO NOWHERE TO RENT. THEY CAN'T RENT.

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A RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAVE FOR THAT IS AND MAYBE I NEED TO GO TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND TELL THEM YOU GUYS CAN IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM THROUGH YOUR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IN WHICH THEY CAN BECOME HOMEOWNERS. ABILENE HAS NEVER DONE THAT.

ACCORDING TO THE RESEARCH THAT I CONDUCTED, FORT WORTH DOES IT, DALLAS DOES IT. THERE'S A LOT OF BIGGER MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO IT.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION THAT I NEED TO HAVE WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT THAT COULD HELP WITH WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN THE LOWER, THE LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC CLASS, THAT THAT ARE FINDING THEMSELVES WITH EXPIRED VOUCHERS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE TO LIVE.

NOISE POLLUTION WAS ALSO LISTED ON HERE. THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE COMPLETED PROJECT MAY GENERATE AN ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF NOISE.

I SEE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OVER HERE. OBVIOUSLY.

TRAFFIC. YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT. TOO MUCH TRAFFIC BETWEEN RAILROADS AND I-20.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THEM IS SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, SO I DON'T.

DO Y'ALL KNOW WHY SECTION EIGHT HOUSING ISN'T GOING TO BE OFFERED? FACTUAL QUESTION. FACTUAL ANSWER AND CAN.

IS THERE A WAY I CAN PAUSE MY TIME WHEN Y'ALL TALK? NO, MA'AM. ARE YOU UPSET? NO, MA'AM. YOUR THREE MINUTES IS ALMOST UP. I WAS GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

OKAY, WELL, CAN THEY PAUSE MY TIME? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY, GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION. EMPLOYEES OF THE HAMBY DATA CENTER OF THE SHACKELFORD COUNTY DATA CENTER.

THOSE EMPLOYEES ONLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY LEAVE? HE JUST. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. I WOULD CONTACT JEAN REED.

WE DO HAVE AN ABILENE HOUSING AUTHORITY INITIATIVE.

WHO'S OVER THAT? AND WE DO HAVE THAT IN PLACE IN ABILENE.

I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHERE THEY COULD BUY HOUSES THROUGH SECTION EIGHT. JEAN, I WOULD CONNECT WITH JEAN REED, WHO'S I I'VE TRIED CALLING HIM, AND IT'S JUST IT'S LIKE GETTING AHOLD OF THE THE POPE.

YEAH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. THANK YOU. THE POPE STILL ON ITEM 11.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, AND I'M GLAD THE THE CLASS HAS BEEN HERE TO SEE IT.

I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT CITY COUNCIL DOES AND IT'S REALLY US.

YOU TAKE IT AT ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS A BRIDGE BETWEEN RESIDENTS, CITIZENS AND BUSINESS TYPICALLY AND PROJECTS.

AND WHAT YOU SEE IS THE VISION FOR YOUR CITY, YOUR STATE OR YOUR YOUR COUNTRY, WHATEVER YOU REPRESENT.

AND I THINK TODAY YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE TASTE OF THAT IN THAT DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO A PROJECT.

IT HAS SOME IMPACTS. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR RESIDENTS.

WE, AS THE COUNCIL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS IT GOOD OR BAD? AND THEN IF IT'S IF IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE GOOD, WHAT WHAT CONDITIONS DO WE NEED TO PUT ON THAT.

AND SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAYBE NOT BE A STICK IN THE MUD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU GUYS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK EVERYONE'S DONE HERE. WELL, TODAY IS ASK QUESTIONS.

EVEN WHEN YOU THINK THIS MAY MAKE ME LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT, I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, AND IT NEVER STOPS ME. AND THEY'LL ALL AGREE.

AND SO ASK QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THAT DIALOG, THAT PUSHBACK IS GOING TO HOPEFULLY LEAD TO GOOD THINGS.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY EMILY, GREAT JOB ON LOCKING HIS LOOSE COMMITMENT DOWN TO 100%.

I THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE CITY MANAGER. I'M VERY PROUD.

SO I REALLY ENJOYED THE DISCUSSION TODAY. I THINK A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ONE, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT OUTSIDE WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.

AND THERE WILL BE NEGATIVES TO ANY PROJECT THAT WE DO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE CONCERNS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS THAT THE DEVELOPER AND OUR STAFF AND OUR RESIDENTS HAVE KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND WORKED IT ALL OUT.

AND YEAH, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE SOME NEGATIVES.

BUT I'VE BEEN VERY ENCOURAGED BY THIS. I STILL FEEL FOR THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THE IMPACT AT THE ENTRANCE AT HIGHWAY 20, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME STILL.

BUT I THINK THE, THE CHANGES AND THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE PUT ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I THINK HAVE ELIMINATED, BY AND LARGE, A LOT OF MY CONCERNS, AND THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE PROCESS.

AND SO I THINK I THANK STAFF FOR REALLY WORKING ON THIS.

I KNOW I CAN BE A REAL PAIN IN THE BUTT. AND AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SEVEN OF US, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE HAVE CONCERNS, BUT BUT I THINK MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND SO I'M VERY ENCOURAGED. AND HOPEFULLY RESIDENTS AND STAFF WILL STILL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS AND STAY ENGAGED AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT WE CAN COME TO COME, YOU KNOW, BE IN A GOOD PLACE IN THREE, FIVE YEARS.

BUT I'VE BEEN VERY ENCOURAGED. SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENTS FOR EVERYONE KIND OF BEING INVOLVED IN THIS,

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THIS TAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE OFF OF ABILENE TO HELP IN THOSE AREAS, BECAUSE WE ARE LACKING IN LOW INCOME HOUSING.

AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT IN ONE SPOT, BUT I THINK IN ANOTHER TERM IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO OUR CITY BECAUSE IT CREATES SOME HOUSING AND SOME OTHER AREAS.

AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL TAKE SOME OF THAT IMPACT OFF OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

ANYONE ELSE? YES. SO THE NEED FOR HOUSING, THE HOUSING SHORTAGE HAS HIT KIND OF EVERY ASPECT OF HOUSING, FROM VRBOS TO RENTAL PROPERTIES TO HOTEL ROOMS BEING FULL TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CONVERTING THEIR GARAGE INTO AN APARTMENT AND RENTING IT OUT. THERE'S THERE IS AN ACUTE SHORTAGE AND THAT'S STARTING TO HAVE IMPACTS IN OTHER UNRELATED AREAS. I MEAN, COLLEGE STUDENTS CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE SO THEY CAN GO TO GO TO CLASS.

THERE'S THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING ON. AND YET THE CITY DOESN'T BUILD AND RENT HOUSES AS A RULE.

SECTION EIGHT NOTWITHSTANDING. BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR FUNCTION.

SO OUR ROLE IS TO CREATE THE CONDITIONS WHERE SOMEONE IS INTERESTED AND ABLE TO DO IT PROFITABLY AND EFFECTIVELY AND WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON IT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ZONING IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE.

THIS ONE IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT, ESPECIALLY AND MOST ACUTELY ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED THROUGH A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS.

SOME GOOD FAITH COMMENTS. GREG, I APPRECIATE THE ATTITUDE WITH WHICH YOU'VE APPROACHED THIS.

THE COOPERATIVE NATURE OF THIS IS I WISH EVERYTHING WAS THIS EASY AND THIS WELL DONE.

SO I WAS KIND OF ON THE FENCE. ABOUT WHETHER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS WAS A GOOD IDEA AS IT WAS WRITTEN.

THIS CONVERSATION HAS HELPED ME SAY, OKAY, I THINK THIS IS THE DIRECTION TO GO.

WE ARE MITIGATING THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS.

ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN. AND OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR ABILENE.

AND THE BENEFITS FAR OUTWEIGH THE, THE THE COSTS.

SO. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION. THERE IS ONE DETAIL I DO WANT TO TO CLARIFY WITH YOU ALL IN THIS CUP.

IT'S IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE 227. IT'S UNDER NUMBER TEN.

WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE THIS IN HERE.

FOR FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL. IT DOES SAY THAT ELMDALE ROAD SHALL BE IMPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, OR FINANCIALLY SECURED BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED.

AND THEN THAT LIST ABOUT THE PHASING AND THE REASON FOR THAT FINANCIALLY SECURED LANGUAGE WAS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. ROCHON AND HIS SO MUCH OF A GENEROUS COMMITMENT TO PAY FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ON ELMDALE.

HE DID ASK IF A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT WOULD ALSO BE SUFFICIENT.

WE DO ALLOW THAT UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THAT WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT. IT IS MY IMPRESSION THAT ONCE ELMDALE IS ADDRESSED, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE VERY QUICKLY. LIKE HIS REFERENCE WAS MAYBE TWO MONTHS.

SO SEEING ELMDALE IN THAT SHORT STRETCH PHASED OVER MULTIPLE MONTHS, I DON'T EXPECT TO HAPPEN.

NUMBER ONE, IT WILL BE MORE COSTLY TO MOBILIZE AND DEMOBILIZE.

SO AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP IN THE DISCUSSIONS.

I DID WANT IT TO BE PUT BEFORE YOU IN CASE THAT CREATED ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS FOR US ON THAT POINT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT JUST IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT BY POINTING THAT OUT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT ONCE THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ARE ARE ISSUED, THEN WE WILL KNOW THE SCOPE OF WHICH IS REQUIRED.

AND THE DEVELOPER EITHER NEEDS TO FINISH THAT SCOPE OF THE OF THE WORK, OR AT LEAST HAVE THE FUNDS SECURED AND AVAILABLE TO DO THE WORK IF IT IS NOT COMPLETED.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DID I GET A MOTION? NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH TWO MODIFICATIONS.

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AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. WE APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 12. AND I'LL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[12. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-45: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, To Change The Zoning Of Approximately 2.5 Acres From Agricultural Open (AO) To Residential Single Family (RS-6) Zoning. Located At 3557 FM 1750 (Tim Littlejohn)]

AGENT IS CHRISTOPHER HART OWNER OF SKIP ROW PROPERTIES LLC.

THE REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SIX, LOCATED AT 30 3557 FM 1750. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. THE PROPERTY VIEWS.

SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. HERE ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN AGRICULTURE.

OPEN SPACE. ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

NOTIFICATIONS WORSE THAN LB, ZERO IN FAVOR AND THREE IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN A 37.59% IN OPPOSITION.

THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE.

THEY DO RECOMMEND TO YOU APPROVAL THIS MORNING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS OF TIM. TIM I WENT OUT AND DROVE THIS ONE.

HARDISON, BETWEEN OLDHAM AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE MAP, BUT THE OR IT'S ON THIS ONE.

THE STREET THAT LEADS UP TO THE WILEY SCHOOL THERE.

HARDISON IN THAT SECTION. AND FURTHER IS IS IT'S A DIRT ROAD OR CALICHE ROAD.

IF WE APPROVE THESE UNITS THERE, WILL THE CITY NEED TO GO IN AND PAVE THAT? BECAUSE IT'S IT'S BASICALLY A DIRT ROAD AT THIS POINT. THAT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF DURING THE DURING THE PLANNING PHASE WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. BUT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LENGTH OF THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE SPLIT THINGS, I BELIEVE.

BUT I DON'T WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. OKAY.

THIS IS JUST THE ZONING LAYER AT THIS TIME, OKAY? BECAUSE I SAW THE THE BUSSES WOULD GO DOWN, HARDISON, AND THEN TURN DOWN THAT STREET AND GO TO THE GO TO THE SCHOOL.

AND IT WAS KIND OF THEIR BUS ROUTE, BUT THERE'S THAT SECTION.

HARDISON, IS ALL DIRT. YEAH. OKAY. AS PART OF THE CODE, WOULD WE BE REQUIRED TO PAVE THAT OR TO BE IMPROVED? YES. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. AND JUST SO WE KNOW BUDGET WISE.

IS THERE AN ESTIMATE? ARE WE LOOKING AT $1 MILLION TO PAVE THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA. OKAY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. OKAY.

THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR HALF, AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OTHER HALF.

RIGHT. AND THESE ARE SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT WENT UP OVER BY THE OTHER. WELL, WYLIE ON MAPLE, MAYBE. OR I THINK THERE'S TWO NEW WYLIE SCHOOLS OVER THERE, AND THEY HAVE WHOLE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE MAYBE LIKE 20 OR 30% ARE DUPLEXES, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE HOUSES.

AND YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE DUPLEXES. I ASSUME THESE ARE SIMILAR.

I HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SLIGHTLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT AREA, BUT IT'S THE EXACT SAME SITUATION BY THE OTHER WYLIE SCHOOLS.

AND SO THAT THAT TIPPED THE SCALES FOR ME. SO MY ONLY CONCERN WAS POTENTIALLY WHAT THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK TO PAVE THAT HARD ROAD.

YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. FURTHER QUESTIONS OF TIM. THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 12.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE.

YOU HAVE SOMEBODY COME. GET UP. I WAS GETTING UP.

I APOLOGIZE, MISS ELEVATORS. PLEASE COME. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I'M MOVING A LITTLE SLOW TODAY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS CYNTHIA ALVIDREZ.

JUST THE SAME RECOMMENDATION I HAD FOR ITEM 11.

YOU HAD QUITE A BIT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPOSED.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, Y'ALL CAN'T PULL IT UP. WHICH I FEEL LIKE IF WE WORK TOGETHER, WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT PULLED UP HERE ON THE SCREEN SO PEOPLE COULD READ THESE LETTERS.

BUT THERE WERE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN INCLUDED IN YOUR IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

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SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE ISSUE IS.

I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT YOU GUYS READ IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK, DID YOU GUYS READ THE THE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION THAT ARE IN THE IN THE COUNCIL PACKET? FACTUAL QUESTION. FACTUAL ANSWER. YES, MA'AM.

WE READ THOSE. EVERYBODY READ IT ALWAYS. EVERYBODY READY? GOOD GOOD GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ITEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'LL FORGET YOUR NAME.

YATES. YOU MADE A COMMENT IN ITEM 11 REGARDING THINGS BEING INAPPROPRIATE WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING OF HOUSING.

SO THE ISSUE WITH YOU GUYS TALKING AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS, AND THIS WAS AN ISSUE BEFORE, AND I KNOW IT'S A NEW YEAR, BUT Y'ALL ADD A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF AT THE END.

AND IF CITIZENS WANT TO ADDRESS IT OR REBUT IT OR WHATEVER, WE DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

SO AND, AND I'LL GO RESEARCH ALL THAT STUFF LATER AS TO HOW MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

BUT YOU MADE THAT COMMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE, WHERE YOU WERE GETTING AT.

THIS IS YOUR TIME. OH, NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE ME MY TIME.

NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE ME MY TIME? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION? CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION OR NO? OKAY. YOU SAID SOMETHING IN ITEM 11 REGARDING THINGS BEING INAPPROPRIATE WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING TO SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IN THE IN THE ITEM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. YEAH, THERE IS NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE USES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE ZONING.

GOTCHA. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ZONING. AND YOU WANT TO PREVENT INAPPROPRIATE USES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER? NO, NO, I GOT YOU. OKAY. A CONCRETE PLANT NEXT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

NO. GOTCHA. I JUST I WAS JUST MAKING SURE IT WASN'T IN REFERENCE TO THE THE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, ON THE SAME COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY. SO I.

OKAY, GOOD GOOD GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS COULD DO ON YOUR END TO YOU KNOW, TO TO ALLEVIATE THAT AND TO HELP WITH THAT, WE AS CITIZENS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

OH, AND ONE CLARIFICATION I DO WANT TO MAKE. I THINK YOU DID SAY THAT.

AND I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO. SOMETHING ABOUT THE CITY ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC HOUSING. BUT YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE.

Y'ALL HAVE VOGEL. SO Y'ALL CAN BUILD. Y'ALL CAN BUILD MORE PUBLIC HOUSING IN THE EVENT THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN'T STEP UP.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THE WORD NOTWITHSTANDING.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. MOVE ON.

THANK YOU. DID YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND? YOU'RE NOT. HE WANTED TO SPEAK. HE I I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE UPSET FOR SOME REASON.

I'M NOT UPSET. BUT YOUR TIME IS. WELL, I KNOW, BUT HE WAS GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, AND YOU CUT HIM OFF. NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S NOT. I MEAN, HE WAS GOING TO ANSWER IT.

I DON'T WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. I WANT TO LET HIM FINISH HIS THOUGHT. TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU. OH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 12.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

SO MOVED. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER. SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN REAGAN. WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL YESES. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. NOW, MOVE TO ITEM 13, AND I'LL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[13. Ordinance (Final Reading) CUP-2025-19: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, To Apply A Conditional Use Permit To A Property To Allow Duplexes In Residential Single Family (RS-6) Zoning. Located At 3557 FM 1750 (Tim Littlejohn)]

IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2020 2519 AGENTS.

CHRISTOPHER HART, OWNER OF SKIP ROPE PROPERTIES.

THE REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO ALLOW DUPLEXES WITHIN RS SIX ZONING.

THIS IS LOCATED AT 3557 FM 1750. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THE RS DISTRICT ON THE ON THE DUPLEX, IT DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY VIEWS. HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. NOTIFICATION IS WORSE THAN OUT. WE RECEIVE THREE OPPOSED, RESULTING IN A 37.59% IN OPPOSITION. THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE. THEY DO RECOMMEND IT TO YOU.

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I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS OF TIM.

THANK YOU TIM. THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 13? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I'D JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR TAYLOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, CHUCK STATLER. CHUCK, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN REAGAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN REAGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES.

MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. NOW MOVE TO ITEM 14, AND I'LL ASK TIM LITTLEJOHN TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[14. Ordinance (Final Reading) Z-2025-46: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on A Request From The Owner, To Change The Zoning Of Approximately 0.74 Acres From Mobile/Manufactured Home (MH) To Multifamily (MF) Zoning. Located At 317 Neas Road (Tim Littlejohn)]

THE REQUEST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HAS CHANGED THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.74 ACRES FROM MOBILE HOME TO MULTIFAMILY, LOCATED AT 317 NIECE ROAD. HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. PROPERTY VIEWS.

THIS IS ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THE MOBILE HOME DISTRICT.

ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN MULTIFAMILY. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY IN RETURN. THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PNC DID HEAR THIS CASE AND THEY DO RECOMMEND TO APPROVAL THIS MORNING.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR TIM.

TIM. THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 14? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BEARD.

SECOND. WHO GOT IT? COUNCILMAN PRICE, YOU GOT THE TWO ON MY THING.

OKAY, DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. BEFORE WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I KNOW WE HAVE. I SEE FACES IN THE AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP UP THAT WANT TO FILL COUNCIL SEATS AND LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYONE WHO IS WILLING AND ABLE TO SERVE THAT IS WANTING TO GIVE THEIR TIME.

AND THE FILING DATE BEGINS NEXT WEDNESDAY. IS THAT CORRECT? JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT. SO IT IS NOW 10:43 A.M..

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SECTION 5511.072 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY.

SECTION 551.073 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS.

SECTION 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. SECTION 551.076 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES.

SECTION 551.087 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT BUSINESS PROSPECTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE'LL BE BACK. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I SAW YOUR PARENTS OVER THE CHRISTMAS BREAK AT THE MOVIES.

WE WERE SEEING THE MOVIE DAVID. IT WAS REALLY GOOD.

IT WAS REALLY GOOD. IT IS NOW 11:30 A.M. AND WE RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION.

[RECONVENE]

WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM 16 AND I'LL ASK EMILY CRAWFORD, CITY MANAGER, TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

[16. Resolution: Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing, and Take Action on Approving the Site Infrastructure Agreement with Abilene DC9, LLC, and Abilene DC10, LLC (Emily Crawford)]

AND THIS IS ALSO CONNECTED. WHAT THIS IS IS SITE INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT.

IT BASICALLY IS ARTICULATING THE NATURAL RESOURCE NEEDS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS CAMPUS.

I WANT TO CLARIFY AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS PHASE TWO WHICH WE ARE CALLING BUILDINGS 910 AND THE POWER PLANT.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS ONE THROUGH EIGHT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED WITH CAMP

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WHICH BUILDING NINE INCLUDES A DATA CENTER BUILDING, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS AND WAREHOUSE SPACE.

SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST ONE BUILDING ON THIS PARTICULAR TRACK.

BECAUSE OF THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE POWER AND THEIR WATER NEEDS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO FIRST I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT POWER. SO BUILDINGS NINE AND TEN COLLECTIVELY ARE BOTH GOING ARE DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO BE RUN OFF OF ON SITE POWER GENERATION. SO THERE IS NO INTENDED ADDITIONAL DRAW FROM THE GRID FOR BUILDINGS NINE AND TEN.

SO THAT I THINK IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT TO FOCUS ON WHEN WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AVAILABLE AVAILABILITY OF OF POWER WITHIN THE REGION.

THESE ARE INTENDED AND DESIGNED TO RUN COMPLETELY OFF GRID BY ON SITE POWER FACILITIES FOR WATER USAGE.

AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S CALLED BUILDING NINE, THIS INCLUDES MULTIPLE OTHER BUILDINGS, INCLUDING A BUILDING THAT IS PRIMARILY FOR EMPLOYEES.

BECAUSE OF THEIR THEIR NEEDS, THEY WILL HAVE SHOWER FACILITIES FOR 4 TO 500 PEOPLE.

SO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL WATER USAGE THAT WE DON'T SEE IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE LANSING CAMPUS.

THE WATER NEEDS THE ANNUAL OPERATIONAL WATER NEEDS WILL NOT EXCEED 5 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.

THAT NUMBER, AGAIN, IS A HIGH NUMBER, A HIGH END NUMBER THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO COMMIT TO.

AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE FLUSH AND REFILL.

THE BUILDING NINE IS MUCH LARGER IN ITS FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT WE ARE SEEING BEING CONSTRUCTED CURRENTLY IN BUILDINGS ONE THROUGH EIGHT, SO IT IS GOING TO TAKE ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES FOR THAT.

IF THE IF AND WHEN THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM DOES NEED TO BE FLUSHED AND REFILLED, THE VOLUME OF WATER REQUIRED FOR THAT IS ABOUT 7 MILLION GALLONS.

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT IS ANTICIPATED IT WILL ONLY BE EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS OR AS NEEDED.

AND UNTIL THESE BUILDINGS ARE OPEN AND OPERATIONAL, WE WILL ALSO SEE HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT WATER AND PERHAPS NOT EVEN DO A COMPLETE FLUSH AND REFILL FOR NOISE CONTROL. AND JUST SO THAT I DON'T GET LOST IN ALL THESE DETAILS, I'M GOING TO COME BACK AND JUST TALK ABOUT OVERALL WATER USAGE AT THE END.

SO THAT I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

NOISE CONTROL. THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT NOISE AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY LINE WILL NOT EXCEED 70DB, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.

AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO REACH THAT, THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER SEVERAL NOISE MODELS THAT SHOW THEY CAN REACH THAT.

IF THEY DO NOT, THEN THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADD ADDITIONAL NOISE PROOFING STRUCTURES, BUT THAT IS ALREADY PART OF THEIR DESIGN WITH WITH ACOUSTIC BARRIERS, WALLS, ETC.. ROAD MAINTENANCE. SO THEY THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COMMIT TO REPAIRING THE PORTIONS OF SHIRLEY ROAD AND SPINKS ROAD THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND ARE ABUTTING THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT THE ROAD REPAIRS WILL BE ACCORDING TO CITY STANDARDS. THERE WILL BE A TIME FRAME IN WHICH THEY MUST HAVE THEM COMPLETE.

AND THEY AGAIN, MUST MUST MEET CITY ROAD STANDARDS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE SUPPORT.

THEY ARE COMMITTING TO ALLOW LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO COME IN AND HAVE INITIAL TRAINING ON THE CAMPUS, AS WELL AS ANNUAL TRAINING BASED UPON COORDINATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR LOCAL FIRE RESPONSE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMPUS.

IT WILL BE A HIGHLY, HIGHLY SECURE CAMPUS, AND THERE WILL BE SOME CHEMICALS AND SOME THINGS THERE THAT THAT WE DON'T WORK WITH EVERY DAY.

AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS OUR RESPONSE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMPUS AND HAVE GOOD COORDINATION WITH THEM ON OUR RESPONSE.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IN THIS AGREEMENT IS ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE.

AND SO THIS BASICALLY LISTS ALL OF THE REGULATORY AGENCIES AND ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH, INCLUDING SURFACE WATER, GROUNDWATER, STORMWATER, SOIL EROSION, SEDIMENT CONTROL ARTICULATING ALL OF THE TCDC AND EPA REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS LOCAL ORDINANCES AND STATE ORDINANCES AS WELL.

THEY ARE COMMITTED AND BY LAW MUST HAVE A SPILL PREVENTION, CONTROL AND COUNTERMEASURE PLAN TO RESPOND TO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

THEY WILL KEEP THAT UP TO DATE, AND THEY WILL HAVE CONTINUOUS TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

THEY WILL HAVE SOIL AND WATER MONITORING AS REQUIRED BY LAW, AND THEY WILL PROVIDE THE RESULTS TO THE CITY UPON OUR REQUEST.

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THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IT UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, AND THEY WILL HAVE IT DURING OPERATION AS WELL.

SO THAT BASICALLY ARTICULATES AND ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT YOU ALL, AS COUNCIL HAVE BEEN ASKING. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE WITH LANSING AND CRUSOE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE TODAY AND THAT WE'VE HEARD AROUND TOWN, AND THAT WE OURSELVES HAVE HEARD.

SO THAT IS BUILDING NINE. I'M GOING TO GO OVER NOW FOR BUILDING TEN.

WHICH BUILDING TEN? I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCES.

THE FIRST IS THAT IT IS ONLY A DATA CENTER. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES.

AND SO IT IS THE ONE INDIVIDUAL DATA CENTER. AGAIN, THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING, LIKE BUILDING NINE, IS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN ONE AND TWO.

THEY ARE ALSO, LIKE I MENTIONED, ON THE OFF GRID POWER FACILITIES, THE ANNUAL WATER USAGE WILL NOT EXCEED 2 MILLION GALLONS.

SO IT IS LESS THAN WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR BUILDING NINE BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT.

SAME REQUIREMENT FOR FLUSHING AND FILLING OF THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, SAME ON NOISE CONTROL, ROADS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I JUST MENTIONED ALSO APPLIES TO THE BUILDING NINE I'M SORRY, BUILDING TEN, THE THIRD AGREEMENT IS REGARDING THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE GAS PLANT.

AND SO THIS DOES NOT HAVE A DATA CENTER COMPONENT.

IT IS THE ON SITE POWER FACILITY. ANNUAL WATER USAGE FOR THIS PORTION OF THE CAMPUS WILL NOT EXCEED 2 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR. SAME NOISE CONTROL. SO AGAIN AT THE AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY IT MUST NOT EXCEED 70DB.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT WILL BE THE MOST IMPACTFUL IN THE NOISE MITIGATION.

THEY ALREADY HAVE LARGE WALLS THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT SOUND MITIGATION.

AND AGAIN, IF THOSE IF THE SOUND LEVELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE EXCEED CITY ORDINANCE, THEN THEY MUST MAKE MITIGATION EFFORTS TO COMPLY.

SAME POINTS ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE ALSO IN THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT INCLUDES AIR EMISSIONS AND THE COMMITMENT FOR AS CLEAN CAMPUS AS POSSIBLE. SO THEY WILL HAVE STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL TITLE FIVE OPERATING PERMIT.

THIS IS A VERY EXHAUSTIVE PERMIT PROCESS. AND THEY ARE MODELING THAT TO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY LOW EMISSIONS.

THEIR EMISSIONS WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE UNDER THESE EPA AND REQUIREMENTS.

THEY WILL DO CONSTANT MONITORING. THEY WILL DO STACK TESTING, EMISSIONS CHECKS, OPACITY MONITORING AND ALL OF SUCH WILL BE REPORTED TO THE TC-EC.

ALL OF THOSE REPORTS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO THE CITY IF THERE ARE EMERGENCIES OR IF THERE ARE RELEASES ARE ABOVE THE THRESHOLDS AS REQUIRED. THERE IS MANDATORY REPORTING TO LOCAL AND STATE AGENCIES.

THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER ALSO TO LOCAL ENTITIES.

SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY STRICT REGULATED PROCESS WHICH IS INTENDED TO FACILITATE AS MUCH CLEAN AIR FOR OUR AREA AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT AGREEMENT ARTICULATES THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE AGREEMENTS.

AND SO JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO TOTAL WATER USAGE, THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN TRYING TO COUNT IT UP IN YOUR HEAD WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE THE ANNUAL OPERATIONAL USAGE EQUALS TO ABOUT 9 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.

WITH THAT IT PUTS THEM IT PUTS LANSING AS IN THE TOP 100 WATER USERS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE ON THE BOTTOM HALF OF THAT IF YOU INCLUDE THE OTHER PART OF THE CAMPUS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BUILDINGS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AT ROUGHLY 2 MILLION GALLONS FOR ANNUAL USE, THAT PUTS THEM AT 11. SO 11 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR OF TOTAL WATER USAGE.

AGAIN, IT'S IN THAT THE TOP FIVE TOP I'M SORRY, NOT THE TOP 50.

THE LOWER 50 OF OUR TOP 100 WATER USERS. AND FOR ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT, THE CITY OF ABILENE USES AROUND 2425 ON AVERAGE MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH A TOTAL OF 11 MILLION FOR OPERATION PER YEAR.

IT IS YOU KNOW, LESS THAN A HALF A DAY'S WORTH OF THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT ABILENE USES ON A REGULAR BASIS.

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ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. AND WHEN THEY DO THE FLUSHING THAT GOES INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.

AND SO THAT GOES TO HAMBY AND ENDS UP BACK IN THE INTO THE SYSTEM? YES. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WHEN THE THE WATER COOLING SYSTEMS ARE FLUSHED, THEN THAT THAT VOLUME OF WATER DOES GO TO OUR SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE TREAT THAT AND THEN WE DO SEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT TREATED WATER BACK INTO LAKE FORT PHANTOM.

SO THERE IS A RECAPTURE OPPORTUNITY. YES. QUESTION.

AND ON THE THE FLUSHING YEARS YOU GAMED OUT WORST CASE SCENARIOS, WHICH I ALWAYS LOVE.

I WAS ALWAYS ASKED ROBERT, WHAT'S THE TRADE OFF AND OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND SO YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE REALLY BEEN PROACTIVE ON THIS AND GAMED OUT WORST CASE SCENARIOS. THERE'S GOING TO BE REGULAR OPERATIONAL USAGE OF WATER, BUT ALSO THE SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE FLUSHED.

YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS I THINK 3 TO 5 IS THE AVERAGE.

AND SO YOU GUYS HAVE GAMED THAT OUT IN WORST CASE SCENARIO.

SO THAT SO THAT WE KNOW WATER IS KING SO THAT WE'RE NOT STRETCHING OURSELVES THIN.

AND SO I THINK GETTING THE WORD OUT. I KNOW BRIAN'S EXCITED ABOUT GETTING GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT, BUT LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THE WATER USAGE AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING.

I HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MEETING.

WAS OPPOSED TO IT, IN FACT. AND SO I'M, I'M VERY ENCOURAGED TO SEE ALL THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE OVER THE LAST 2 OR 3 WEEKS OVER THE HOLIDAYS TO COME TO THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS COMPLAIN WHETHER IT'S IN PERSON OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE JUST SHOUTING IN AN EMPTY HALL, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GO, WELL, WHATEVER HAPPENS. AND THEY THEY NEVER EITHER CIRCLE BACK OR THEY NEVER HEAR WHAT THE, WHAT THE END RESULT WAS. AND TODAY IS THE END RESULT OF A LOT OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS BEING VOICED OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.

AND WITH THIS EXPANSION, THIS THIS ITEM ADDRESSES THE WATER USAGE, GIVES US A CLEARER PICTURE OF EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WILL BE USED, BUT ALSO ON THE SOUND SOUND AS WELL.

WE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO'S WHO'S AFFECTED BY IT UP THERE.

AND AND THIS ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN. I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 70DB IS THE MAXIMUM AND THE EQUIVALENT.

JUST ON A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH IS A VACUUM CLEANER OR A LOUD, LOUD CONVERSATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT.

AND THAT'S THE MAX. AND SO ADDRESSING THAT BUT ALSO ENVIRONMENTAL NEEDS, BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST SAYING WE'LL DO WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO.

WELL DUH. BUT IT IS. THIS IS STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES AND COMING UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION.

SO FOR THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE CONCERNED OR HAVE COMPLAINTS THIS THIS IS THE END RESULT OF, OF IT OR AT LEAST A PART OF IT. AND SO VERY ENCOURAGING AND GOOD JOB.

I ONE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US. I THINK IT'S COUNCIL TO KNOW PUTTING IN CONTEXT HOW MUCH WATER IS THAT.

IS THAT A LOT OF WATER FOR US. CAN WE AFFORD THAT.

AND SO THIS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. SO THANK YOU.

WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ON THE RECORD.

BRIAN'S EXCITING. YEAH. CAN'T YOU SAY. NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? ITEM 16. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

TAMMY FOGLE PRESIDENT LAST TIME. YOU'LL HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME TODAY.

I HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THIS WAS.

SO KUDOS. GREAT PRESENTATION, VERY INFORMATIVE.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT DETAILS AND INFORMATION THAT CITIZENS COULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'D LOVE IT IF IT COULD BE IN WRITING SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT AND LOOK BACK TO IT, BECAUSE NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO TAKE NOTES AND AND I WILL, BECAUSE I DO THAT AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE SOMETHING TO WHERE THE CITIZENS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE COMMUNICATION PART IS GREAT, BUT NOT HAVING A SLIDE TO SEE THOSE THINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND NOT HAVING IT BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE MEETING AND THEN WE CAN REFERENCE IT.

WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. I KNEW WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT, BUT I'VE TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE, IT FEELS LIKE A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A CONVERSATION GOING ON, AND MOST PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT IT IS.

AND IF WE COULD OPERATE IN A SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST CATCH PEOPLE UP AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS ABOUT LANSING.

I'M LIKE, I LOOKED ON THE RESOLUTION, THERE'S NOTHING THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DATA SET OR ANYTHING.

SO IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE ARE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND THEY DON'T THINK ANYTHING OF IT. AND THEN TO GO BACK AND FIND SOMETHING CONNECTED TO IT, THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING. IT'S JUST ABOUT DC NINE AND DC TEN AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE NITPICKY PROBABLY TO MOST OF Y'ALL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LISTENING OR LOOKING OR PAYING ATTENTION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION SO IT'S AVAILABLE. AND I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE

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I MEAN, LIKE AT ONE TIME OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

THAT'S A LITTLE MIND BLOWING. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, HAVING SOME SLIDES FOR THIS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, OR AT LEAST SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE THAT SHOWS CITIZENS WHERE THEY CAN GO.

AND BECAUSE SAN ANGELO HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING BEFORE, THEY'RE STARTING TO DO THIS DATA CENTER STUFF, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME. AND I KNOW IF YOU HAD A COMMUNITY MEMBER MEETING, WE ALL KNOW WHO WOULD ALL ATTEND, PROBABLY MOST OF THE SAME PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT? AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT COMMUNICATION GETTING OUT AHEAD OF IT IN FRONT OF IT IS SO IMPORTANT.

AND I'LL END WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR A GOOD MEETING.

THANK YOU. THEY'RE JUST FOR FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

AND BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP EDUCATE A LOT OF THE CITIZENS, THERE'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE THIS WAS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME AND SO MUCH INFORMATION WAS BEING COLLECTED PRIOR TO EVERYTHING BEING AGREED UPON.

THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INFORMATIONAL SHEET, FACTUAL SHEET WHERE WE'LL WILL SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU KIND OF BROUGHT UP TODAY. SO THAT'S OUR INTENT.

IT'S ALWAYS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN AND TRUSTWORTHY AS WE CAN.

AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY IN THE WORKS. STILL THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 16? SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO MOVED. BUT I THINK MINE IS POWERING ON. WHAT'S THAT I DID? OKAY. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CRAVER.

SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN YATES FOR DISCUSSION.

WE'RE READY TO VOTE. ALL YESES, MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES. IT IS NOW. 1148 11:49 A.M.. AND THIS MEETING OF THE ABILENE CITY COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.