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          IT'S 130, BUT WE WERE WAITING TO GET THE THUMBS UP THAT WE ARE STREAMING FOR ANYBODY THAT
NEEDS TO WATCH IT ONLINE. 
          WE GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 130. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THE APPROVAL OF PLATS. 
          HOWEVER, IT ACTS ONLY AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF ZONING. 
          THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE
CITY SECRETARY, NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS MEETING,
AND ALL APPEALS MUST BE IN WRITING. 
          THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AFTER RECEIVING RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR. THOSE WISHING TO BE HEARD SHALL APPROACH THE
PODIUM, STATE THEIR NAME AND THEIR PURPOSE FOR APPEARING. 
          EACH SPEAKER IS REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. 
          ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. 
          I NOTICE WE HAVE A PRETTY FULL HOUSE TODAY. I WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT'S SAID IN
THAT STATEMENT. 
          WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          THERE IS NO FINAL DECISION THAT WILL BE MADE BY US TODAY. 
          SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD,
WHETHER WE AGREE WITH YOU OR DISAGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S THAT MATTER WILL LIKELY STILL BE MOVING TOWARDS CITY COUNCIL. 
          FOR MATTERS THAT GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S NORMALLY TWO DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          THE FIRST TIME IT IS JUST ON THE AGENDA AND A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PULL IT OFF IF THEY WANT
TO TALK ABOUT IT THE SECOND TIME, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED IN A PRESENTATION SIMILAR TO THE PRESENTATIONS YOU'LL HEAR
TODAY WILL BE MADE, AND THEY'LL INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE MATTER. 
          AND SO AGAIN, IF YOU WERE HERE TODAY, WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE DECISIONS
THAT ARE MADE, WE ARE JUST BASICALLY CODIFYING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WILL PASS ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO YOUR MATTER
AND, AND DEAL WITH IT IN A, IN A POSITIVE WAY. THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM,
WE ALSO START WITH AN INVOCATION. 
          KEVIN, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING US IN A PRAYER? FATHER GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN OUR
LIVES. 
          WE PRAY FOR WISDOM TODAY AS WE HEAR THESE MATTERS BEFORE US,
AND TRY TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS AND GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL PRAY FOR EVERYONE PRESENT, AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO WILL SPEAK TODAY,
THAT THEY PRESENT THEIR IDEAS AND THEIR CONCERNS CLEARLY, AND THAT WE LISTEN AND AND HEAR THEM FAIRLY AND MAKE WISE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR. 
          PRAY FOR WISDOM AS A NATION AS WE CELEBRATE OUR 250TH ANNIVERSARY THIS THIS WEEK. 
          LORD, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED,
EVERYTHING THAT WE WALK IN AND THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU'D ALSO GIVE US WISDOM TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARD OUR BEST SELVES INTO
THE FUTURE. 
          WE ASK THESE THINGS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. 
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OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEMS ARE THE MEETINGS FROM THE LAST MINUTE. 
          I WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE, BUT COMMISSIONERS. ARE THERE ANY EDITS OR CHANGES THAT YOU SEE IN
THE REVIEWING OF LAST MEETING'S MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NOTHING WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE
MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES
AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE. AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          [ ZONING]
THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 2026-09 RECEIVER REPORT. 
          HOLD A DISCUSSION AND A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO
APPLY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO APPROXIMATELY 41.188 ACRES. 
          ZONED AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO ALLOW FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK LOCATED AT 6702 EAST LAKE
ROAD. 
          KIERA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KIERA VOICE. 
          I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. TODAY I'M REPRESENTING CASE CUP202609. 
          THE OWNER IS DOBBS HOLDING LLC. THE REQUEST IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN RV
PARK IN AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING LOCATED AT 5702 EAST LAKE ROAD. HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. 
          THE ZONING MAP. THE PERMITTED USES IN AGRICULTURE OPEN WHICH A RV PARK REQUIRES THE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          HERE IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S A PROPOSED FOR 149 RV SPOTS. 
          NOTICES WERE SENT OUT IN 200 FOOT BUFFER ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          OPPOSITION IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING. WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE ON MONDAY,
ONE IN FAVOR AND TWO IN OPPOSITION THAT WERE IN THE BUFFER AND ONE THAT WAS NOT WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. 
          GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PLAN OF OPERATION,
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
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COULD WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE SHOWING THE SURROUNDING ZONING? SO RR ONE? YES. WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? RURAL RESIDENCE. 
          RURAL RESIDENCE ONE AND WHAT IS THE ACREAGE OR WHAT ARE THE LOT SIZES FOR FOR THAT ZONING
THAT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. BUT IT'S RELATIVELY BIG. SINGLE FAMILY HOME RESIDENTIAL. 
          YES. OR BIG LOT SIZE. NOT NECESSARILY BIG HOME SIZE,
BUT BIG LOT SIZE. 
          OKAY. AND IS THIS REALLY CLOSE TO THE CITY LIMIT LINE OR IT'S IT'S IN THE CITY LIMIT LINE. 
          OKAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE 300FT FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES FOR FOR BEFORE THE RV PARK
STARTS. 
          SO THEIR THEIR CONCEPT PLAN HAS A 300 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE PROPERTY THAT THEY
DON'T OWN. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT SPACE UP THERE IS A 300 FOOT BUFFER. 
          OKAY, THIS DOES APPEAR TO BE PRIMARILY FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          I MEAN FOR RECREATIONAL USE, NOT WE'VE APPROVED A LOT FOR KIND OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE PUT
TIME LIMITS ON. 
          THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT OR A SHORT TERM. 
          NO. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WHICH WHO'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS CONCERNING
THAT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIRA? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO GET UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SIR? TAKE YOUR TIME. AND I WILL SAY, FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE,
WE WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU COME UP TO STATE YOUR NAME, WHERE YOU LIVE YOUR RELATION TO THE PROPERTY
ALSO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS LIKE IF THE DEVELOPER GETS UP TO ASK A QUESTION YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO COME UP AND ASK THOSE IN THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE WE ARE STREAMING AND THERE ARE
PEOPLE THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY GET HERE, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO PARTICIPATE. WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR EVERYTHING TO BE DONE THROUGH THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYONE OUT
FROM THAT. SO. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS PAUL WALKER. I LIVE AT 1822 ACES TRAIL, WHICH IS IN THAT SUBDIVISION YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT CURRENTLY. MOSTLY BECAUSE I WAS SELECTED. 
          IT WAS MY TURN. AND SO I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE STATEMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO READ. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ONE OR NOT. I HAVE ENOUGH COPIES FOR EACH OF YOU. 
          WE CAN DO BOTH. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND READ IT,
AND THEN WE'LL PASS IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE OBJECTION PACKET ON MY WHEELCHAIR. I ALSO HAVE A SIGNED PETITION FROM 452 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND BEYOND. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU THAT. 
          BUT MY STATEMENT IF IT'S OKAY TO READ THAT. YES,
SIR. 
          OKAY. ON BEHALF OF THE LAKE ROCK TRAILS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION,
I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THIS LETTER IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 149 SLIP RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK ADJACENT TO THE LAKE
ROCK TRAIL SUBDIVISION. 
          AS A REALTOR AND A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY,
IT IS CLEAR TO ME AND MANY OTHERS THAT THE CITY OF ABILENE IS IN NEED OF HOUSING FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPONSIBLE GROWTH,
AND WE APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BALANCE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST. HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL IS INCONSISTENT WITH SOUND PLANNING
PRINCIPLES AND THE STANDARDS THAT TEXAS MUNICIPALITIES TRADITIONALLY APPLY WHEN EVALUATING ZONING REQUESTS. ONE OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSES OF ZONING IS TO PROMOTE THE HEALTH,
SAFETY, MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC BY ENCOURAGING ORDERLY AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. TEXAS COURTS HAVE LONG RECOGNIZED THAT ZONING DECISIONS SHOULD
PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHILE GUIDING FUTURE GROWTH IN A MANNER THAT BENEFITS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          IN THIS CASE, THE PROPOSED RV PARK WOULD INTRODUCE A HIGH DENSITY,
TRANSIENT LAND USE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD OF CUSTOM BUILT HOMES, EACH VALUED IN EXCESS OF $500,000. 
          LAKE ROCK TRAILS IS A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WHERE FAMILIES HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL
FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS BASED ON THE REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT SURROUNDING LAND WOULD DEVELOP IN A MANNER COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          A LARGE RV PARK WITH MORE THAN 140 RENTAL SITES DESIGNED FOR SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY IS
FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION SUCH AS LAKE ROCK TRAILS. THE FREQUENT TURNOVER OF OCCUPANTS, INCREASED VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND COMMERCIAL
NATURE OF AN RV PARK ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE QUIET, STABLE CHARACTER NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WHEN CONSIDERING ZONING REQUESTS, TEXAS MUNICIPALITIES OFTEN EVALUATE WHETHER A PROPOSED
USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES. 
          COMPATIBILITY IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PLANNING PRINCIPLES,
BECAUSE INCOMPATIBLE USES FREQUENTLY GENERATE CONFLICTS THAT CANNOT BE ADEQUATELY 
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MITIGATED THROUGH FENCING, LANDSCAPING, OR BUFFERING. 
          WHILE SCREENING MAY REDUCE VISUAL IMPACTS, IT CANNOT ELIMINATE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC,
LIGHTING, NOISE AND CONTINUOUS ACTIVITY. CAN I CONTINUE? YOU CAN CERTAINLY THANK YOU. AND CONTINUOUS ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A LARGE RV PARK. 
          IN ADDITION, ONCE AN INCOMPATIBLE USE IS INTRODUCED ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL
SUBDIVISION, IT OFTEN BECOMES INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO PREVENT ADDITIONAL NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS
NEARBY. 
          APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST MAY THEREFORE ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE ZONING CHANGES
THAT FURTHER ERODE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          THE COMMISSION SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER WHETHER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONFORMS TO THE
CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE OBJECTIVES. 
          COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE PREDICTABLE,
ORDERLY GROWTH WHILE PREDICTING, WHILE PROTECTING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIRECTING MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES
TOWARD APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS. 
          IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENVISIONS THIS AREA AS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL OR LOW DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL. 
          APPROVAL OF AN RV PARK WOULD UNDERMINE THE LONG TERM PLANNING OBJECTIVES ESTABLISHED BY
THE CITY. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. 
          149 RV PARK. 149 PHILIP RV PARK WILL GENERATE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN COMPARABLE
RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE AND WILL INCREASE DEMANDS ON STREETS, UTILITIES, INCLUDING SEPTIC SYSTEMS VERY CLOSE TO A MUNICIPAL
WATER SUPPLY, DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, EMERGENCY SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE
APPROVING SUCH A REQUEST OR A REQUEST. 
          THE COMMISSION SHOULD CAREFULLY DETERMINE WHETHER EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE
SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED INTENSITY OF USE WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROPOSAL RAISES LEGITIMATE CONCERNS REGARDING
TRAFFIC SAFETY. 
          RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN PASSENGER VEHICLES AND REQUIRE SLOWER
MANEUVERING AND GREATER ROADWAY ACCESS. 
          INCREASED RV TRAFFIC ENTERING AND EXITING THE DEVELOPMENT MAY CREATE CONFLICTS WITH
TRAFFIC, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC, SCHOOL BUSSES, PEDESTRIANS,
BICYCLISTS, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES. 
          THE COMMISSION SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE BROADER ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROPOSAL. 
          LAKE ROCK TRAILS REPRESENTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND CONTRIBUTES
SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE CITY'S PROPERTY TAX BASE. 
          MAINTAINING THE DESIRABILITY AND STABILITY OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS AN
IMPORTANT PUBLIC INTEREST. 
          WHILE NO SINGLE ZONING DECISION DETERMINES PROPERTY VALUES. 
          ADJACENT LAND USES ARE ONE OF THE MANY FACTORS PROSPECTIVE HOMEBUYERS EVALUATE WHEN MAKING
PURCHASING DECISIONS. 
          THE CITY SHOULD CAREFULLY WEIGH WHETHER INTRODUCING A LARGE,
TRANSIENT LODGING USE NEXT TO AN UPSCALE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS ITS LONG TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS. FINALLY, ZONING DECISIONS SHOULD SERVE THE INTERESTS OF THE
ENTIRE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN THE FINANCIAL OBJECTIVES OF A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER. WHILE RV PARKS HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY,
THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED WHERE THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES AND CONSISTENT WITH ABILENE'S ADOPTED VISION FOR FUTURE GROWTH. THIS LOCATION IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR SUCH A
DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS LOCATION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED PLANS TO IMPROVE THE LARGER
AREA AROUND FORT PHANTOM LAKE. 
          FOR THESE REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL OF
THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST. 
          DOING SO WILL PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE CITY'S PLANNING PROCESS. 
          PROTECT AND ESTABLISH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD,
ENCOURAGE ORDERLY GROWTH, AND UPHOLD THE PRINCIPLES OF COMPATIBILITY THAT HAVE LONG GUIDED, RESPONSIBLE LAND USE DECISIONS THROUGHOUT TEXAS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND TO OUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATIONS OF THE
CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE RESIDENTS OF LAKE ROCK TRAILS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? HOW LONG HAS LAKE ROCK TRAILS BEEN A SUBDIVISION? THE DEVELOPER OF THAT SUBDIVISION IS HERE TODAY. 
          HIS NAME IS JODY TEAM AND I THINK HE CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER. I'VE LIVED IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS AND I THINK IT'S BEEN THERE 6 OR 7. 
          SIX. I'M GETTING FINGERED. SIX AND YES, TO ANSWER YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION ABOUT THE SIZE OF
THE LOTS, THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM TWO ACRES TO, I THINK,
FOUR ACRES. 
          THANK YOU. AND IF YOU'LL JUST HAND THOSE PAPERS,
WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET PASSED AROUND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CART AROUND, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M SPENCER DOBBS, AND I'M THE PROPRIETOR OF DOBBS HOLDINGS. 
          I RESIDE IN ODESSA, TEXAS. I'M A WEST TEXAN. I HAVE WITH ME MY UNCLE,
MY SON, THAT WE'RE ALL A WEST TEXAS FAMILY. 
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WE'RE NOT OUT OF STATE DEVELOPERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          WE WANT TO CREATE A VERY RESPONSIBLE ADDITION TO THE ABILENE COMMUNITY. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY,
AND THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW ORDINANCE DESCRIBES WITH RESPECT TO RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS. 
          WE'VE TAKEN GREAT CARE TO INCLUDE ALL THE ELEMENTS AND ALL THE COMPONENTS,
NOT ONLY TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS IN THAT REGARD, BUT ALSO TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS OF ADJACENT LANDOWNERS. 
          THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SOME SORT OF MAN CAMP. 
          THIS IS A RECREATIONAL RV PARK THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE LAKE THAT WE THINK IS DIFFERENT AND
DISTINCT FROM WHAT IS AVAILABLE AT LAKE FORT PHANTOM CURRENTLY. 
          THE RV PARK WILL HELP SUPPLEMENT ABILENE'S LONG TERM HOUSING NEEDS,
WHICH I DO THINK IS A CRISIS POINT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT I CAN TELL MY BEST MAN IN MY WEDDING HE WORKS AT NEW HORIZONS. 
          HE LIVES HERE. HIS PARENTS JUST SOLD THEIR HOUSE AND IN ONE WEEK THEY GOT EIGHT OFFERS AND
$25,000 OVER THE ASKING PRICE FOR THE HOME, AND IT SOLD FOR CASH. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST CAN'T AFFORD THAT TYPE OF SOLUTION TO SPEND
THAT KIND OF MONEY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE HOUSING. 
          WE DO INTEND TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE THAT 75% OF THE TENANTS WILL BE LONG TERM. 
          THAT IS STILL LESS THAN A YEAR, AND 25% OF THOSE WILL BE SHORT TERM,
THREE MONTHS OR LESS. 
          ALSO VACATIONERS THAT WILL COME TO THE ABILENE AREA AND CAMP AT LAKE FORT PHANTOM,
THEY WILL BRING IN SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. 
          THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE RV PARK WILL BE PRIVATE. 
          THE CITY WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR MAINTAINING ANY WATER LINES OR STREET SYSTEMS FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RESPECT TO THE RV PARK THE PARK AND TRAIL BOTH BORDER A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HEARD THE, THE CITIZEN THAT SPOKE CONCERNS ABOUT THE QUIET OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM A GUN CLUB. 
          AND SO I FULLY INTEND THAT THERE WILL BE QUIET HOURS IMPOSED AT OUR RV PARK. 
          IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FULL TIME PERSONS THERE THAT WILL MAINTAIN THE QUIET OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S MY UNCLE. THERE'S A HOUSE ON IT. WE'RE BUYING THE PLACE FROM THE WILL HEIGHTS. 
          WHO I WENT TO CHURCH WITH IN ODESSA AND ARE MOVING. 
          AND SO MY UNCLE WILL LIVE ON PREMISES AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE WILL BE QUIET HOURS THAT
WILL BE IMPOSED. 
          YOU CAN FINISH, MA'AM. YES, SIR. I WE HAVE A PLAN OF OPERATION. 
          I'LL JUST HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND AND BE DONE. 
          WE'LL OPERATE, AS I'VE SAID, AS A 24 HOUR RECREATIONAL AND LONG TERM RV COMMUNITY. 
          WE WILL INCLUDE PARK AMENITIES. IT'S GOING TO BE NICE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME KIND OF PLACE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE SLIPSHOD,
YOU KNOW, OUT ON THE INTERSTATE. PARK AMENITIES WILL INCLUDE RESTROOMS,
SHOWERS DOG WASHING STATIONS. 
          THERE'LL BE A NATURE PARK. THEY'LL BE CLOSE TO THE BUFFER ZONE. 
          INCIDENTALLY, THE BUFFER ZONE. IT'S 41 ACRE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN 16 ACRES ALONG THE NORTH, ADJACENT TO THE SIX HOUSES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH. 
          WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE RV SPACES. AND SO IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THE HOUSES
WILL NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE THE RV PARK TO THE SOUTH. AS I MENTIONED MY UNCLE DAVID DOBBS WILL BE THE FULL TIME PARK MANAGER. 
          HE ALONG WITH MY AUNT WE WILL MAINTAIN THE 300 FOOT BUFFER. 
          WE WILL MAINTAIN QUIET HOURS FROM 10 TO 7. AND WE WILL OPERATE AS A CLEAN,
SECURE, ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE RV PARK. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DOBBS? A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I SEE IN A LOT OF THESE PLANS OF OPERATIONS ON OUR PARKS
THAT I DON'T SEE IN YOURS, IS A RESTRICTION ON THE AGE OF THE RVS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE PARK,
AND THEN A RESTRICTION ON THE LENGTH OF THE STAY. 
          OKAY. WE WE HAVE OBSERVED THAT THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON THE LENGTH OF THE STAY. 
          IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 12 MONTHS AND WE WILL IMPOSE THAT. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT A RESTRICTION FOR THE AGE OF THE RVS THEMSELVES IN THE ORDINANCE,
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT IF THAT'S OF CONCERN. 
          IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. IT'S IT'S UP TO THE OWNER TO PUT THAT IN. 
          BUT IT'S SOMETHING I NOTED WAS NOT IN YOUR PLAN OF OPERATION. 
          WE INTEND IT TO BE NICE. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP
IT ROADWORTHY. 
          I DID HEAR SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ROADS AND ACCESS AND SO FORTH. 
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HAVING BEEN OUT THERE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S ANY CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO THE
NAVIGATION OF THE RVS AND THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PULLING THEM. 
          RIGHT OFF EAST LAKE ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S,
THERE'S PLENTY OF MANEUVERABILITY. 
          I DON'T FORESEE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY PROBLEMS WITH RESPECT TO SCHOOL BUSSES OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK IT'LL BE VERY SAFE TO TRAVERSE THAT AREA FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO USE THE RV
PARK. 
          HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS OR MEETINGS WITH THE HOA OR ANY OF THEIR
REPRESENTATIVES? I HAVE NOT. WILL RATLIFF, WHO IS OUR ENGINEER FROM CADCO,
HAS BEEN CAREFUL TO MONITOR OUR REQUIREMENTS AND BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AND MEET ANY ACCOMMODATIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE WITHIN THE WITHIN
THE ORDINANCE. 
          YES, SIR. THE 16 ACRES YOU SAID IS NOT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED. 
          IT WILL IT WILL NOT IT WILL NOT BE USED FOR ANY OF THIS RV PROJECT THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN
THIS CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HINES? THE ISSUE WAS RAISED ABOUT SEPTIC AND WASTE REMOVAL. 
          WHAT'S YOUR WASTE REMOVAL PLAN? THE SEPTIC IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT HAS TO BE SEPARATELY
ENGINEERED. 
          AND SO WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE ENGINEERING PLANS,
BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE LAW WITH RESPECT TO ANY KIND OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT ARE INSTALLED. WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH SEPTIC ENGINEERS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED,
AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN JUST FROM A THEME PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S THE INTERPLAY WITH THE LAKE GOING TO BE? ARE YOU LOOKING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WITH BOATS AND WAVE RUNNERS,
THAT KIND OF THING? YEAH. THIS ISN'T A MAN CAMP. THIS IS A RECREATIONAL RV CAMP. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FOUND IT SO ATTRACTIVE. EVENTUALLY CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO
COME AND GO, AND WE WANT A LONG TERM PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE AREA FROM TOURISM AND FROM
LOCAL FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME OUT TO THE LAKE. 
          BUT INITIALLY IT'S GOING TO BE ALSO FOR WORKERS WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD ALL
THESE PROJECTS THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN THEM AWAY. YOU KNOW,
IF THERE ARE FOLKS THAT THAT NEED HOUSING AND THEY COMPLY WITH OUR RULES AND THE RULES OF THE COUNCIL, THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. HOBBS. THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. 
          I WAS HOPING I WAS HOPING IT WAS COOKIES, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IT,
DIDN'T IT? STACK OF PAPER WILL DO. HI, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL TODAY. 
          MY NAME IS FAITH GAGE. I'VE LIVED AT LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL SINCE 1981. 
          THAT'S 45 YEARS. AND I'VE ALSO BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL LAKE
ASSOCIATION. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION ALMOST SINCE WE STARTED LIVING
OUT THERE, AND WE ARE BOTH PAST PRESIDENTS. THE CITY OF ABILENE HAS HAD A LONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
ASSOCIATION AND NUMEROUS TIMES IS CALLED UPON THE ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR INSIGHT AND PERSPECTIVE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DID WHEN THEY ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK IN 2005,
THEY CONTACTED THE LAKE AND THEY SENT US ALL A SURVEY AND WANTED US TO FILL IT OUT ON WHAT OUR LIKES,
DISLIKES, OUR WANTS AND OUR NEEDS. 
          THE SECOND THING THEY DID IS THEY TEST US AND TOLD US THAT WE WERE A SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO CONSEQUENTLY, WE DEVELOPED THE LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IN 2005. 
          OUT OF THAT, IN 2006, WE PRESENTED A BOND PACKAGE TO THE BOND COMMITTEE. 
          AND THAT'S HOW YOU SEE A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AT JOHNSON PARK AND CV PARK
AND THINGS AROUND THE LAKE. 
          SO WE'VE HAD AN ACTIVE PRESENCE ALL THIS TIME IN 2005. 
          THE I'M SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF ME BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAD DONE WITH THE,
WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND EVERYTHING. 
          THE CITY WANTED US TO COME UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          AND ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WE SPENT 18 MONTHS,
CONSECUTIVE MONTHS COMING UP WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
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NUMBER THREE, WE'RE GETTING THE ATTENTION OF THE CITY. 
          THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THE IMPACT THAT THE LAKE HAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SET UP THROUGH THE CITY. 
          THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS COMING ALONG IN 2007,
CARTER. 
          CARTER BURGESS DOES A LAND USE ASSESSMENT OF IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE SURVEYS AND BUSINESS PLANS COST US. 
          IN 2009, THE CITY OF ABILENE COMES UP WITH A LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND I QUOTE OUT OF THIS DESIGN GUIDELINES ALSO ASSIST DEVELOPERS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND
CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL AREA TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          DESIGN GUIDELINES HELP TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT OF THOSE WHO HAVE PUT MONEY AND ENERGY
INTO CREATING HIGH QUALITY BUILDINGS AND PLACES. 
          AN IMPORTANT PURPOSE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINE IS TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DESIGN
POLICIES. 
          THE CITY OF ABILENE USES FOR THEIR LAND USE. THIS REPRESENTS YEARS ON A DISTRICT OVERLAY AND WE RECOGNIZE COMMERCIAL,
RESIDENTIAL AND RECREATIONAL AND IN THE RECREATIONAL SIDE OF IT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE
RESIDENTIAL SIDE. 
          SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE SET UP WITHIN IT. 
          WE STARTED IN 2009. WE FINISHED IN 2014. IN 2015,
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED IT. 
          AND MY FINAL COMMENT ON THIS. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 330 OR SO RESIDENCES AROUND THE LAKE. 
          THAT'S AROUND THE WHOLE LAKE. AND IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME,
YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING HALF THAT AMOUNT IN ONE AREA. SO WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATIONS ON FUTURE FIRE AND POLICE PROTECTION? HOW SOON WILL THAT BE ESTABLISHED? YOU KNOW,
WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW. 
          I'M NOT AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT. IF IT WERE TO CHANGE AND BECOME WHAT WE HAVE AND HAVE
BEEN APPROVED AND DEVELOPING STABLE HOMES THAT CAN LAST DECADES DOWN THE ROAD VERSUS AN RV PLACE. 
          AND IF YOU KNOW, WANT TO KNOW ANOTHER LITTLE TIDBIT,
YOU'RE PUTTING THIS AT THE VERY END OF THE LAKE WHERE THE WATER GOES DOWN. 
          THE FIRST, MA'AM, I MIGHT HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BASED ON YOUR STUDIES AND THE THINGS YOU'VE
DONE WHERE AROUND THE LAKE DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR AN RV PARK? THERE'S A LOT OF AREA UP BY THE DAM THAT ARE OPEN. 
          THERE'S A HUGE TRACT OF LAND THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY HAS PLANNED FOR IT. 
          PART OF WHAT SET ALL OF THIS APART FROM COMING TOGETHER SO QUICKLY,
MOST OF THE LAND THAT THE CITY HAD, THEY LEASED IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE. 
          THERE'S ONLY SHORELINE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NOTHING TO THE OUTSIDE OF IT. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ON LEASE LAND, WE COULDN'T GET LOANS FOR HOME IMPROVEMENT. 
          WE COULDN'T GET LOANS TO BUILD A HOUSE BECAUSE THE LEASE SAID THEY COULD KICK US OFF AND
PAY US NOTHING FOR OUR IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WELL, THERE'S NOT A BANK ANYWHERE THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU ANY MONEY,
AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY FOR RISK OF LOSING IT. 
          SO THE PROJECT STARTS IN 2008 2009. THEY SELL THE FIRST LOT ON THE LAKE,
STARTING ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE I'M LOCATED,
I DON'T GET MY OFFER LETTER TILL 2015. 
          I THINK THE LAST OFFER LETTER WENT OUT IN 2024. 
          IT WAS CONTAINED PROJECT. THEY DIDN'T OFFER IT TO ANYBODY BUT THE LEASE HOLDERS. 
          WELL, ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THAT DOES OPEN UP CITY LAND FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE TO OFFER TO
DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WE HAD DONE IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND OUR
DISTRICT OVERLAY. 
          SO THERE ARE POCKETS OF PLACES WHERE THINGS COULD BE DEVELOPED THAT ARE NOT WITHIN A
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, AND CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING AS NICE AS WHAT YOU GUYS DO. 
          WE WERE ASTONISHED WHEN THEY BUILT ALL THAT BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE WERE THRILLED THAT THAT CAME OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ON DEEDED LAND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. SO THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW. 
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AS PEOPLE HAVE PURCHASED THEIR PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN WHAT WAS THERE AND THEY BUILT
SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY NICE. AND BY TCU REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A HALF ACRE OF LAND FOR THE
SEPTIC SYSTEMS PER HOUSE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BARE LOTS, BIGGER HOUSES USUALLY. 
          YEAH. I WAS JUST INTERESTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THERE TO BE SOME TYPE OF RV
RECREATIONAL PARKS AROUND LAKES AND, AND, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND YOUR SURVEY OF THE
LAKE, YOU KNOW, WE DID FIND PLACES CLOSE TO THE PARKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND WITH A REDO OF THE DAM, THERE'S A HUGE TRACT OF LAND. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S PLANS ARE FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHO OWNS IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY BEEN BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT
PLAN. 
          THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR AN RV PLACE? YES,
MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HER? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ALL THE HISTORY. I'LL
BRING COOKIES NEXT TIME. 
          THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JIM BAILEY. I LIVE AT 185 COVE ROAD. 
          I'M A LAKE RESIDENT. I'M ALSO THE CURRENT LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL LAKE ASSOCIATION
PRESIDENT. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING HERE ON BEHALF OF THE LAKE ASSOCIATION,
BUT JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF A RESIDENT AND SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR SOME NUMBER OF YEARS TO BRING OPPORTUNITIES TO THE LAKE,
WHETHER IT BE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL OR RECREATIONAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED FAITH ABOUT AN AREA THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR
THIS, AN RV PARK TYPE DEVELOPMENT. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
THE MOST RECENT MASTER PLAN THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THE CITY TWO YEARS AGO AND WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL,
IS WEST OF THE SPILLWAY EAST OF THE DAM. 
          IT WAS THE AREA THAT WAS IMPROVED AS A FUNCTION OF THE FM 1082 RELOCATION AND THE DAM,
YOU KNOW, TAKING THE ROAD OFF THE DAM. SO THAT AREA THERE WAS CONSIDERED WITH PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP OF
THE CITY A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO CONSIDER THE CITY OPENING THAT UP FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          BUT SINCE THEN, THE LEADERSHIP HAS CHANGED, THINGS HAVE EVOLVED. 
          SO IT MAY BE WORTH THE TIME AND ENERGY TO MAYBE RECONSIDER OR INVESTIGATE INTO ANOTHER
OPTION. 
          AS A LAKE ASSOCIATION, YOU WILL NEVER ANY MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION WILL NEVER SAY THEY
ARE NOT FOR DEVELOPMENT AT THE LAKE. 
          LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY WE'RE JUST SENSITIVE AS TO WHERE AND WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS
APPROVED LAST YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS STAY OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL
AREAS. 
          THERE IS ENOUGH CITY OWNED LAND OR TRACTS OF LAND THAT CAN BE CONSOLIDATED AND MERGED
TOGETHER TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMEBODY LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING BIG AT THE LAKE, TO MAKING IT THE LAKE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND TO BRING IN YOU KNOW, RECREATION OR EVEN COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE LAKE. 
          SO I JUST REMIND YOU OF THAT AND IT MAY BE WORTH LOOKING AT THE OTHER STAFF DEPARTMENTS
AND, AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS FEASIBLE OUTSIDE OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW SERVING ON A BOARD OR A COMMISSION IS IT'S VOLUNTARY. 
          BUT WHAT YOU DO IS IMPORTANT AND YOUR DECISIONS HOLD A LOT OF WEIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          DON'T WORRY. MY NAME IS COLIN BARNETT. LIVE AT 1723 ACES TRAIL. 
          I'M THE BIG BLACK ROOF ON THE SCREEN THERE. Y'ALL,
YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR AN RV PARK TO BE AT A LAKE. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. THERE IS ONE BEING CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON WESTLAKE ROAD THAT BACKS UP. 
          OKAY. SO THERE'S 60 LARGE RV SPOTS THAT WILL BE CURRENTLY RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. THAT IS ONE POINT AS IN 149 VERSUS 60. SO HUGE NUMBER THERE. AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT JUST THE AMOUNT OF RV SPACES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PROPOSED IN
ABILENE THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING UP AND OPENING AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND I BUILD HOMES HERE. OKAY. I KNOW A FEW OF YOU ON THE PANEL. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO. I MEAN, I'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR A
PROJECT DOWN ON 351, 
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HOPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING FOR ME. AS YOU KNOW,
THESE GENTLEMEN OVER HERE ARE HOPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO FOR THEM. 
          BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THE AREA, IF YOU TAKE TIME AND YOU DRIVE OUT THERE,
WE, WE AS A COMMUNITY DO NOT PURCHASE LOTS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THIS WAS AN EMPTY FIELD OF OF LAND. 
          IT WAS GIVEN THE ZONING FOR A HOME IN THE BEGINNING. 
          THERE IS CURRENTLY A HOME THERE. IF WE BUILT THESE HOUSES NEXT TO 41 ACRES OF LAND THAT
WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, THEN WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE THAT ZONING,
YOU KNOW, FOR AN RV PARK OR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OR, YOU KNOW,
VICE VERSA. 
          THERE IS CURRENTLY CITY OWNED LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US THAT WE ARE ALL HOPING THAT
GETS, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS DEVELOPED THE THE CORRECT WAY. 
          OKAY. THERE, THE 300 FOOT BUFFER FROM R6 HOMES IS FANTASTIC, BUT THERE'S A FAMILY IN HERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A 300 FOOT BUFFER. 
          THEY ARE GOING TO SEE 40 RV PARKS FROM THEIR BACK WINDOW. 
          THEY DID NOT AGREE TO THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR HOME. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ME. OKAY. AND AGAIN, Y'ALL ARE NOT WE GOTTA WAIT TILL WE GOTTA WAIT TILL
THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SAY IT, BUT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE ONLINE AGAIN. AND NOT ONLY THAT,
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ALL 149 RVS DRIVE RIGHT PAST THEIR FRONT DOOR EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          OKAY. AND SO I ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, NO. AGAIN,
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET IN SOMEBODY'S WAY OF MAKING MONEY. 
          BUT MAN, LIFE IS NOT ALL ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN,
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR SHOES. 
          IF YOU WERE HER SITTING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE THEY ARE AT CURRENTLY,
THEY WILL SEE EVERY SINGLE RV COME IN AND OUT. 
          I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE NOISES AND HAVING SOMEBODY THAT IS ON
SITE AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT IS THAT IS FANTASTIC. 
          OKAY. I DON'T KNOW AN RV PARK IN THE WORLD THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SO THAT'S GREAT,
RIGHT? NORMALLY THEY JUST LIVE IN ONE OF THE RVS. OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S NOTHING SPECTACULAR. OKAY. THAT HAPPENS ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS. 
          OKAY. BUT THE, THE AREA THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT THIS IN WAS NOT MEANT FOR THIS. OKAY. THERE'S NEVER ANY WATER IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE. 
          OKAY. I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR FIVE YEARS. THERE HAS BEEN ONE TIME IN FIVE YEARS I HAVE
MADE MY PONTOON BOAT TO MY HOUSE. 
          OKAY, THE WATER NEVER GETS THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THERE. 
          THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT TO THE LAKE AND GO
FISHING. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK 200FT INTO THE LAKE TO DO THAT,
OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK ONTO MY PROPERTY TO GET TO THE WATER. 
          CURRENTLY. THEY WILL NEVER HAVE WATER IN FRONT OF THIS RV FACILITY TO PUT A BOAT DOCK TO
DO ANYTHING UNLESS SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS AND WE GET, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA 12IN OF RAIN FOR TWO YEARS,
AND THEN THE LAKE WILL FILL UP, AND THEN WE SPEND THE NEXT SIX YEARS WATCHING IT LEAVE US. 
          OKAY. AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT TO THE SILOS NOW IS BECAUSE TEN YEARS AGO,
WE STARTED PUMPING REFUSE WATER INTO FORT PHANTOM LAKE. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. SO 30,000 GALLONS A DAY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 
          OKAY. OR HOWEVER MUCH WE'RE PUMPING IN THERE NOW. ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING
UP A CONCERN IS, IS WHEN Y'ALL WHEN Y'ALL LOOK AT THESE RV PARKS,
YOU PUT A NUMBER OF 52 GALLONS A DAY. 
          THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. SO IT'S 52 GALLONS PER DAY,
OKAY, PER RV SPOT, RIGHT? THAT IS WATER. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET BACK. 
          THAT IS WATER. WE WILL NOT GET BACK. OKAY. THAT IS A ROCKY GROUND. 
          ALRIGHT. I LIVE 250FT AWAY. I'M ON AN AEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEM. 
          OKAY, SO NOW IF THEY HAVE TO GO THAT SAME COURSE OR THE STATE MAKES THEM DO DIFFERENT
THINGS, OR WHETHER THEY HAVE TO PUMP THEIR SEPTICS, YOU KNOW,
EVERY THREE DAYS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAVE THERE, WHATEVER SEPARATE TANKS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE GROUND. IF IF THEY CAN'T DO A
TRADITIONAL SEPTIC, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEM SITTING THERE FOR 149 RV SPOTS. 
          OKAY. IF IT IS NOT PROPERLY TREATED, THE SMELL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT IS GOING
TO BE A NIGHTMARE. 
          AND WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES SMELLING SEPTIC FROM THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE NICKNAMED THE ROAD ON THESE ROADS,
STINK CREEK ROAD, BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE BUSTED PIPES EVERYWHERE, AND IT LEAKS OUT SEWAGE ALL OVER THE GROUND,
WHICH THEY ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO FIX. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIX IT FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          OKAY. AND IT SMELLS HORRIBLE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THAT. 
          SO THERE'S IT WAS ALREADY A, YOU KNOW, APPROVED ON WEST LAKE ROAD FOR 60 SPOTS. 
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SO IF, IF THE GOAL FROM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS TO GET SOME TYPE OF RECREATIONAL RV
PARK, THEN YOU'VE GOT IT. WE CAN'T STOP IT. IT'S THERE. 
          IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK. Y'ALL GOT LAND THERE THAT IS BLOCKING THEM FROM HAVING WATER
ACCESS THAT THEY'LL NEVER HAVE ANYWAYS. BUT IT'S THERE AND THEY'RE BUILDING IT. 
          AND THEN YOU DO HAVE RV SPOTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOW MANY RV SPOTS ARE UP BY THE DAM. 
          DO YOU KNOW, MA'AM? I TAKE IT BACK BY THE BOAT DOCK,
BY THE BY THE MAIN BOAT RAMP. 
          HOW MANY ARE THERE? OKAY. YEAH. AND SO THEN YOU HAVE THOSE,
RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE OKAY. SHE SAID 15 FOR ANYBODY WATCHING ONLINE. 
          OKAY. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO AND THEN THERE'S THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE 75 SPOTS. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO JUST PLEASE,
YOU KNOW, TAKE IN CONSIDERATION. 
          WE ALL HAVE I MEAN, I, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT PROPERTY VALUES ARE MY,
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY WHEN I'M NOT AT HOME AND I'M NOT TRAVELING AND I'M TRAVELING. 
          OKAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IS THE RV PART GOING TO BE FENCED IN ITSELF? IS THE WHOLE PROPERTY GOING TO BE FENCED IN ITSELF? WHAT FENCING ARE WE USING? OKAY. ARE WE ALL SUBJECT TO WE HAVE OPEN PROPERTIES. 
          THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE DEVELOPED IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT? SO WE HAVE OPEN PROPERTIES EXCEPT FOR IF SOMEBODY HAS A ANIMALS OR PETS OR
WHATEVER, WE HAVE A SMALL FENCED IN YARD. BUT MY, MY 4.2 ACRE PROPERTY IS I'VE GOT A SMALL AREA FOR
MY DOGS, AND THE REST OF IT IS OPEN SO THAT WE CAN ENJOY THE WILDLIFE WITH THE DEER AND,
YOU KNOW, THE TURKEYS AND THE. WE EVEN HAVE PEACOCKS OUT AT FORT PHANTOM LAKE IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW
THAT. 
          AND THEY RUN WILD AND THEY COME UP AND EAT THE CORN. 
          AND THERE'S SO MUCH WILDLIFE THAT IS OUT THERE. 
          AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TRY TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THE REASON WHY WE PURCHASED OUR LOTS FOR THAT VERY REASON IS TO BE AWAY FROM
EVERYTHING WE. 
          WE KNEW THAT THE GUN RANGE WAS THERE BEFORE WE BUILT OUR HOMES. 
          WE MADE THE DECISION TO BE OKAY WITH THE FEW PEOPLE THAT GO OUT THERE AND SHOOT THEIR
RIFLES. 
          AMERICA. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. BUT. THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH OUR OUR,
YOU KNOW, 149 PEOPLE AT RV PARK WALKING AROUND, EXPLORING THE WOODS BEHIND OUR HOMES IS NOT OKAY. 
          AND WE DO NOT WANT TO STARE AT A SIX FOOT COMMERCIAL FENCE,
WHICH IS WHAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY. 
          I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO STARE AT A SIX FOOT COMMERCIAL FENCE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE
WE BECAUSE BECAUSE AN RV PARK WANTED TO COME IN. 
          THAT'S THAT THAT IS NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT AND USED SOME OF THEIR LIFE SAVINGS
TO BUILD THESE HOMES, TO RETIRE AT A LAKE BY LAKE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE TIGHTER ON THE TIME. 
          I TRIED TO GIVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE
HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FEELS EDUCATED AND
DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD OUR THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE'S 11 MORE OR TEN MORE AGENDA ITEMS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU THAT ARE HERE,
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THEM AT SOME POINT TODAY AS WELL. 
          SO. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. LISA LAMBERT I LIVE ON,
I LIVE AT 6618 WEST LAKE ROAD. 
          YES, MA'AM. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT HAPPY,
EVEN WITH THE RV PARK BEING BUILT ON MY ROAD. 
          I MOVED OUT THERE, BOUGHT THE PLACE FOR MY IN-LAWS. 
          WE WANTED PEACE, RELAXATION. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN RIDE YOUR HORSE UP AND DOWN FM 600. 
          SO I KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. 
          I HAVE TO WAIT SOMETIMES 17 CARS BEFORE I CAN TURN IN MY DRIVEWAY. 
          NOW I CAN'T. I CAN'T SLEEP A LOT AT NIGHT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC,
THE NOISE. 
          YOU GUYS NEED TO CONSIDER THAT I CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT THE OTHER RV PARK BEING BUILT ON
MY SIDE, BUT I CAN HELP THEM BY TELLING YOU IT'S NOT PLEASANT AND I WOULD PREFER NOT TO EVEN HAVE
AN RV PARK. 
          I WOULD PREFER Y'ALL BUILD NICER HOUSES OUT THERE. 
          I HAVE 21 ACRES OUT THERE. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO HAVE MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR HAVING 50 RV
PARKS RIGHT NEXT TO ME AND ME AND MY PIGS AND COWS AND GOATS ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FEEDING AND MESSING WITH THEM. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I
WANT Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE ROADS OUT THERE ARE NOT READY FOR THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC. WE DON'T HAVE THE. PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF US OUT THERE. 
          YOU DIAL 911. YOU DON'T GET A POLICE OFFICER. 
          YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN GET ABILENE. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU DON'T GET ABILENE. 
          YOU GET EITHER SHACKELFORD COUNTY OR JONES COUNTY. 
          AND I LIVE IN JONES COUNTY, BUT I LIVE IN ABILENE CITY LIMITS AND I PAY ABILENE CITY
LIMITS. 
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SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU DO THIS, I. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL NOT
HAPPY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. SO YOU CAN HAVE MY MINUTE AND 22 SECONDS BACK. 
          THANK YOU. HELLO. MY NAME IS JOSEPH TEAM. I GO BY JODY. I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SAY HAVE BEEN
SAID, SO I'LL TRY NOT TO REITERATE TOO MUCH HERE. I'M THE DEVELOPER OF LAKE ROCK TRAILS. 
          I ALSO LIVE AT 1724 ACES TRAIL. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS. 
          SO I BOUGHT THE THE 30 ACRES THAT LAKE ROCK TRAIL SITS ON BACK IN 2015. 
          MY FAMILY WENT OUT THERE. WE REALLY ENJOYED IT. 
          BUT I RECOGNIZED THE HIDDEN GEM THAT THAT LAKE THAT THE LAKE WAS. 
          AND IT WAS ALSO AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE 2015 MASTER PLAN CAME OUT AND STARTING TO LOOK
AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE WAYS THE CITY COULD USE FORT PHANTOM AND, AND HONESTLY, I JUST LIKE THE SUNSETS OUT THERE WERE BEAUTIFUL. 
          EVERYTHING WAS JUST SO AWESOME. LOVED OUR KIDS. 
          BEING ABLE TO GO BE FREE AND PLAY AND NOT BE ON SCREENS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONCEPT. WE GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME FRIENDS AND SAID,
LET'S BUILD A DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HAD. THAT'S THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT I'VE EVER DONE. 
          PROBABLY THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT I EVER WILL DO UNLESS I'M FORCED INTO IT SOME OTHER WAY. 
          BUT WE DEVELOPED IT NOT AS A INVESTMENT MONEY MAKING TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE DEVELOPED THE COMMUNITY THAT MY WIFE AND I WANTED TO LIVE IN. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THE, THE FRIENDS THAT WE TALKED TO. 
          AND SO I SAY THAT TO SAY WHEN I CAME HIRED HIBBS AND TODD TO,
TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PLATTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OUT AND HELPING ME FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF NAMED ZACK
RAINBOW, AND I HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH ZACK RAINBOW ON WHAT AND HIS TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS USED. 
          AND DAVID TODD HELPED ME ALSO IN THE PLANS WAS THE INTEGRITY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE
COMMUNITY AND THE LAND. 
          AND THAT CAME OUT OVER AND OVER IN OUR CONVERSATIONS AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO ME WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT THE RR ONE STANDS FOR IN THERE,
RIGHT? SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO HAVE LOTS, NO LESS THAN ONE ACRE. 
          AND SO WE WERE KIND OF GIVEN THESE RULES OF HOW WE WOULD DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOUSES
IN THAT TIME PERIOD AND NO LESS THAN, THAN ONE ACRE LOTS, WHICH WAS GREAT BY ME BECAUSE THAT REALLY FIT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR
AND THE INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OF THE, THE LAKE AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE LAND. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE,
LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IT IS LIKE A LITTLE IT'S A CHILD OF MINE IN SOME SORT. EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE HOMEOWNERS MAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LOVE THAT OR NOT, BUT I REALLY TAKE SOME PRIDE IN THE WAY WE DEVELOP
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY HERE IS IT IS LOW DENSITY,
RIGHT? IT IS IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED NEXT DOOR. 
          AND IF. IF THERE WAS RR ONE ZONING. NEXT DOOR AND PEOPLE WANTED TO PUT RVS ON THAT,
THEN THAT WOULD BE YOU GOT. 
          ONE ACRE FOR EACH RV, THEN THAT'D BE ALL RIGHT BY ME. 
          BUT I THINK IN IN. SAYING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COMES IN NEXT DOOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT WE CAREFULLY CRAFTED ALONG WITH THE CITY AND PLANNING EXPERTS. I DO THINK IT'S A STEP BACKWARDS AND A STEP BACKWARDS FOR THE WHOLE LAKE AREA HAS
BEEN MENTIONED. 
          SO, SO THE 41 ACRES THAT'S SOUTH OF Y'ALL'S DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED TODAY. 
          IT ORIGINALLY HAD ONE OWNER WITH ONE HOME ON THAT 41 ACRES. 
          SO THE, THE 41 ACRES ORIGINALLY WAS PART OF THE 30 ACRES THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY 71 ACRE. 
          IT WAS ONE TRACK OF LAND. SO YOU BOUGHT 30 OF THOSE 71,
I BOUGHT 30, BUT IN THAT REMAINING 41, IT WAS A LARGE PIECE OF AGRICULTURAL LAND WITH ONE ONE HOME. 
          IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A HOME ON IT, THOUGH. IT WAS JUST JUST OPEN LAND. 
          YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THERE WAS A HOUSE. 
          SATAN HIGGINBOTHAM, 90 ARROW POINT, LIVE AT THE LAKE. 
          PAST MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND A PROUD RESIDENT
OF THE LAKE FORT PHANTOM HILL ASSOCIATION. 
          WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I WAS A MEMBER OF THE 2006 BOND COMMITTEE WHEN THE LAKE ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDED THE
DEVELOPMENT OR IMPROVEMENTS TO BE ON THE BOND ISSUE, 
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AND IT WAS PASSED BY THE CITIZENS. AND WE WE GOT C.B. 
          PARK AND JOHNSON PARK AND TWO. BOAT RAMPS AND CITY IMPROVEMENTS,
YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY. 
          I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE REAL ESTATE ROUNDTABLE AND THAT'S THE,
THE, THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO OVERVIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT, THAT FAITH DISCUSSED. SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN AND HOW
WE WANT THE LAKE TO PROCEED. 
          WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO AS AN ASSOCIATION IS TO TRY TO DEVELOP A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          LIKE ONE OF THE MEMBERS SAID, WE HAVE A GYM THERE AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE
SOMETHING TO THE CITY THAT INCREASES QUALITY OF LIFE, AND WE WANT TO TRY TO DO THAT. WE IN ADDITION TO THAT,
WE HELPED GET THE LAND DEEDED FROM THE LEASE LAND. 
          SO NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD QUALITY HOMES AND BORROW MONEY AND DO THE THINGS
WE WANT. 
          THAT'S JUST GOTTEN INTO FULL, FULL SWING. SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE QUALITY IMPROVEMENT AT
THE LAKE. 
          I THINK THIS PROJECT, IF IT WERE FOR RECREATIONAL BENEFIT,
WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS SOME QUESTIONS THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE BEFORE
YOU TODAY IF IT WASN'T FOR THE AI BOOM IN ABILENE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD PUT 149 RV PARK AT A LAKE THAT DOESN'T NEED THAT TYPE OF
INVESTMENT. 
          SO I THINK REALLY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PUT AN RV PARK IN THAT WILL BE
PROFITABLE FOR TWO OR 3 OR 4 YEARS OR SOME SOME TIME, AND THAT WILL BE THE CASE. SO AGAIN, I THINK JIM MADE A COMMENT ASSOCIATION WE'RE NOT IN. 
          WE'RE IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKE. WE WANT THAT LAKE TO IMPROVE. 
          2 OR 3 REASONS, TAX REASONS FOR THE CITY. IT'S IN THE ABILENE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE MORE STUDENTS COMING TO THE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES THERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO AND TRY TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'D RECOMMEND NOT APPROVING, APPROVING IT FOR THE CITY. 
          I DO, HOWEVER, THINK THAT IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND MONEY AT THE LAKE AND INVEST
IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE LAKE AND SELL THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS AT THE LAKE TO DEVELOPERS TO HELP IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THAT
LAKE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THERE. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF MULTI-FAMILY LIVING AT THE
LAKE. 
          THERE WERE SOME DESIGN IN THAT FOR APARTMENTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING,
BUT NOT FOR THE RV SITUATION. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THE LAKE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST USE FOR THE LAND. 
          THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR MR. HIGGINBOTHAM. PHILOSOPHICALLY,
IF THERE WAS MULTIFAMILY OUT THERE, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED AS AN ASSOCIATION? NO, IT IS IN THE PLAN. I THINK THE WHERE THE POWER PLANT USED TO BE WAS ONE OF THE AREAS
THAT WAS CONSIDERED FOR SOME MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO IT, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUE IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HALF ACRE AT LEAST WAS WHEN WE,
WHEN WE WENT TO TAKE THAT LEASE LAND BACK IN AND SELL IT TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE, WE HAD TO AT LEAST HAVE HALF ACRE. 
          BUT IN REALITY, YOU CAN DEVELOP A SYSTEM, A SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE,
ON PIECES OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY AND IN AND THAT WAS IN THE WHERE THE
UTILITY PLANT WAS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. I'M CASEY DE LA ROSA. I RESIDE AT 6834 EAST LAKE ROAD. I WASN'T EXPECTING TO STEP UP HERE AT ALL TODAY, BUT MY HOUSE IS A HOUSE THAT YOU SEE LEFT OUT OF THIS WHOLE THING. 
          THIS NEW ADVENTURE THAT Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'M THE ONE THAT WILL HAVE TO SEE 149 PEOPLE OR RVS DRIVE BY EVERY DAY FROM MY BACK PORCH
OR MY FRONT PORCH. 
          IT MAY BE NOTHING TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT'S OUR LITTLE PIECE OF PARADISE. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH MORE OUT THERE. OTHER LOCATIONS THAT YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING OF THIS
NATURE. 
          WHEN THIS MOVES, IN MY VIEW, WILL BE COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, COME SIT ON MY BACK PORCH, HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE,
AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M VICKI REYNOLDS, 
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I LIVE AT 9702 COVE ROAD. I WOULD BE DRIVING BY THIS AND AVOIDING THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS
COMING AND GO FROM THERE. 
          TO HAVE TO COME AROUND THE CURVE AND DOWN THE HILL AND UP A HILL. 
          AND THEN THERE'S AN RV PULLING IN OR PULLING OUT WHEN I'M GOING 70 MILES AN HOUR,
WHICH IS A SPEED LIMIT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY PROBABLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          BUT LET ME JUST RECAP FROM SOME OF THE PRIOR STUDIES THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY DONE FROM THE
2009 LAND USE PLAN. IT IS SAID IT'S VIRTUALLY, IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE ORDERLY,
LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THE LAKE. IT IS A GUIDE TO HELP LIMIT INCOMPATIBLE LAND
USES, ENSURE ADEQUATE AREA IS AVAILABLE FOR DESIRED LAND USES,
AND PROVIDES A VISION FOR THE LAKE AREA THAT CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY AND COMMUNITY LEADERS CAN USE TO EVALUATE THEIR INVESTMENT GOALS IN THIS PLAN. 
          MUCH OF THE PROPERTY NEAREST TO THE LAKE. ALL AROUND WAS DESIGNATED AS LAKE OR RURAL
RESIDENTIAL. 
          THEN, IN 23. THE CITY COMMISSIONED ANOTHER STUDY,
WHICH INCLUDED A COMMUNITY SURVEY. 
          STAKEHOLDERS MEETING. THEY CONDUCTED. CONDUCTED LAKE. 
          FORT. PHANTOM. ASSOCIATION WORKSHOPS. THEY DID. 
          PUBLIC DESIGN STUDIO. THEY DID PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES. 
          ALL OF THIS INPUT AND INFORMATION WAS GATHERED TO AND USED TO DEVELOP A LAKE FORT PHANTOM
HILL MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THEIR SEPTEMBER 12TH,
2024 MEETING. 
          IN THIS PLAN, THERE IS A DESIGNATED AREA THAT THEY CALL BOULDER BAY. 
          IT'S WHAT WAS ALREADY REFERENCED EAST OF THE DAM ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LAKE. 
          IT THAT IS AN AREA DESIGNATED FOR RV CAMPING. 
          THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDED THERE. 
          THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO MAKE HIS CAMP SOUND WITH ALL THE ACCOMMODATIONS. 
          WELL, WHAT BETTER PLACE THAN TO HAVE THE LAKE RIGHT THERE TO PUT HIS RV CAMP AND THEN DO
SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY AND OTHER LAKE GOERS. ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF STAYING WITH THE 2024 PLAN IS THAT WHEN THE MASSIVE,
IMMEDIATE HOUSING IS NO LONGER NEEDED, SPECIFICALLY RV RESIDENTS IN THE ABILENE AREA,
THEN BOULDER BAY CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED FOR LAKE GOERS. 
          AND WE WON'T HAVE THE UNSIGHTLY 40 ACRE PARKING LOT WITH ELECTRIC AND WATER HOOKUPS THAT
WOULD BE UNUSABLE FOR MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I ASK YOU TO DENY THIS ON YOUR REQUEST AND LEAVE THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT STATE OF WHAT
I WOULD CALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL. 
          WITH ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE 2024 PLAN,
THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT LAKE. 
          RIGHT ON TIME. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? HELLO. I'M THE SITE ENGINEER THAT DID THE INITIAL PLAN. 
          CAN YOU TAKE ME TO THE ZONING MAP ON THE SLIDE SHOW? WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? WILL RATLIFF, PRESIDENT OF CITY OF ABILENE. 
          CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ZONING? OH, THERE WE GO. SO THAT RED SLIDE OR THAT RED AREA IN THE TOP RIGHT? RIGHT THERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. CURRENTLY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,
YOU COULD BUILD A BED AND BREAKFAST RIGHT NOW WITHOUT EVEN NEEDING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A ZONING CHANGE. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THIS IS NOT AN UNEXPECTED USE OF THIS LAND. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE CONCERNED
PARTIES TO SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD HELP THEM BE MORE PALATABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RATLIFF? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTED IS THAT THERE'S NO LAKE ACCESS,
NO BOAT RAMP, THE SORT OF THINGS THAT I WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT IN AN RV PARK. 
          IS, IS IT JUST BECAUSE THE LAKE IS SO SHALLOW AT THAT POINT? IT IS EXTREMELY SHALLOW RIGHT THERE. I THINK A BOAT RAMP WOULD NOT HAVE MUCH USE,
BUT THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMP THAT IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF HERE. 
          SO IF THEY HAD A BOAT ON THE PARK, THEY COULD GO TO THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMP AND LAUNCH IT
THERE. 
          GOTCHA. HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE THE RECOMMENDED USAGE FOR THIS PROPERTY BASED ON THE PLANS
THAT HAVE EVERYBODY'S REFERENCED TO THE LAKE DEVELOPMENT PLANS? YEAH. NOT SPECIFICALLY. 
          I CAN LOOK INTO THEM TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING AGAINST IT. 
          I MAINLY RELIED ON THE CITY ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          [01:00:03]
GOTCHA. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AARON YOUNG. I WHILE I DO NOT LIVE IN
THE AREA, I AM A. HOPEFULLY FOR MY SPEECH, YOU'LL GET. WHEN I'M A PROPONENT FOR. 
          AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE ADOPTED SO THAT GROWTH OCCURS INTENTIONALLY, NOT ONE PROJECT AT A TIME. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS,
I'VE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME REVIEWING THE CITY'S ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT FAITH ALREADY KIND OF BROUGHT OUT FOR THE FORT PHANTOM LAKE AREA. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT ABILENE HAS EXPERIENCED TREMENDOUS GROWTH,
THAT THERE IS AN INCREASED PRESSURE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT GROWTH SHOULD OCCUR IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH LONG TERM VISION
THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED. 
          FROM MY REVIEW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENVISIONS THE FORT PHANTOM LAKE AREA AS
PREDOMINANTLY AGRICULTURAL. 
          OPEN R-1 RESIDENTIAL, ONE ACRE R-5 RESIDENTIAL FIVE ACRE LAND USES THAT REFLECT LOWER
DENSITY RURAL CHARACTER. 
          I WAS UNABLE TO FIND WHERE THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS
APPROPRIATE FOR THE 149 UNIT LONG TERM RV COMMUNITY. 
          THE PLANS ALSO CONSISTENTLY IDENTIFIED THE LAND IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE PROPERTY FOR
NATURAL NATURE PRESERVATION. 
          THAT DESIGNATION IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE PLACE DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO A NATURE PRESERVE,
WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MINIMIZE ITS IMPACT. 
          THAT INCLUDES LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE, TRAFFIC AND STORM WATER RUNOFF INTO THE SURROUNDING
ENVIRONMENT. 
          THESE ARE NOT MINOR DESIGN DETAILS. THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY TO PROTECT THE VERY CHARACTER OF
THE CITY PLANS TO SEEK TO PRESERVE. 
          BEFORE THOUGHTS OF APPROVING THE PERMIT, I ASKED THE COMMISSION TO FIRST CONSIDER THE
PROTECTIONS WILL BE REQUIRED. 
          WILL LIGHTING BE DESIGNED TO PRESERVE DARK SKIES? WILL BUFFERING ADEQUATELY REDUCE NOISE? WILL STORMWATER CONTROL SUFFICIENTLY PROTECT THE
ADJACENT NATURAL AREA AND FORT PHANTOM LAKE? THOSE QUESTIONS DESERVE CLEAR ANSWERS. MANY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE ON ONE ACRE,
MULTIPLE ACRE RURAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY VALUE PEACE, QUIET, OPEN SPACE, AND DARKER NIGHT SKIES. I PERSONALLY WATCHED THOSE NIGHT SKIES CHANGE
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AS OUR REGION HAS GROWN. 
          GROWTH BRINGS OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT ALSO CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          ONCE THAT CHARACTER IS LOST, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO RESTORE. 
          I RESPECT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE REASONABLE USE
OF THEIR LAND, BUT THOSE RIGHTS EXIST ALONGSIDE THE RIGHTS OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. TODAY, I SIMPLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THIS QUESTION
SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSING DEMAND. 
          DOES A 149 UNIT LONG TERM RV COMMUNITY NEXT TO RURAL HOMES AND A PLANNED NATURE
PRESERVATION AREA TRULY REFLECT THE LONG TERM VISION THE CITY HAS ADOPTED FOR FORT PHANTOM LAKE. IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO,
THEN I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO UPHOLD THE LONG TERM VISION EXPRESSED IN THE CITY ADOPTED PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND DENY THIS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE ABILENE COMMUNITY. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR ANY MOTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS ON OUR AGENDA I THOUGHT RV PARK AT A LAKE MAKES PERFECT
SENSE. 
          LOOKING AT OUR CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS NOT JUST THERE'S LOW DENSITY AREAS AROUND
THE LAKE. 
          THIS SPECIFIC AREA IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DESIGNATED FOR VERY LOW DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THAT
AREA. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS DOES END UP SERVING THE DATA CENTER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A PLACE THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY WANT TO GO
CAMPING. 
          AND I ENJOY CAMPING, BUT KIND OF ON THAT LOW END OF THE LAKE. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT BETTER PLACES, I THINK, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS THERE. 
          NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY AND HAVE INVESTED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT IN
DEVELOPING THIS PLAN PROBABLY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR THEM. BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS,
AND AS I'VE LISTENED TO THE RESIDENCES, I'M PERSONALLY FEELING COMPELLED TO OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LOCATION AT THIS TIME. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS MOST OF THE RV PARKS THAT WE'VE BEEN
APPROVING LATELY HAVE TIME LIMITS ON THEM. 
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THIS DOES NOT I DON'T SEE THE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT I WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN A PLAN
OF OPERATION FOR AN UPSCALE RV PARK EITHER. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          I DON'T FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AT THIS
TIME, IN THIS LOCATION, WITH THESE ALLOWANCES. I WASN'T AWARE OF THE THE LAKE. 
          SORRY, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE LAKE PLAN THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED PRIOR. 
          I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO TO TO COME UP AND SAY,
YOU KNOW, I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT PLAN STATES. 
          THIS WAS SET FOR. IS IT ALL COMPATIBLE? I MEAN,
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I KNEW IT EXISTED. 
          SO AND I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY REVIEWED THE LAKE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          RIGHT. THEY JUST PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND USED IN MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY GOT IT
APPROVED ALREADY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT KNOWING AND
UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT WAS PUT IN THAT PLAN. 
          I'D ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'M PROBABLY MISSING,
BECAUSE THE STAFF DOES BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEY WERE A PART OF DEVELOPING THAT. SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM CITY STAFF ON ANY FEEDBACK YOU'VE GOT, TIM, OR OR ANY OF YOUR STAFF ON WHY YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS APPROPRIATE AS FAR AS THE THE
LAKE FOR PHANTOM OVERLAY. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN 2010. 
          I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT,
OUT, BUT. 
          AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF AN ADOPTED ONE. 
          OKAY. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME PLANS DISCUSSED WITH THE PARKS BOARD,
LIKE THE BOND THEY WERE ALLUDING TO EARLIER. 
          THOSE WERE PARK BONDS FOR THE PARKS AND THE DOCKS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE PARK SYSTEM. BUT AS FAR AS THE MASTER PLAN,
I'M NOT AWARE OF AN ADOPTED DOCUMENT. 
          AND IS THAT CORRECT? ADAM? YOU PROBABLY. I'M GONNA LET ADAM SPEAK ON IT BECAUSE HE KNOWS A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO. 
          THE ADOPTED PLAN THEY'RE REFERRING TO IS THE PARKS MASTER PLAN,
WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2023. 
          OKAY, SO PARKS MASTER PLAN, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IT'S THE WHAT THE PARK SEES AND WHAT WAS SERVING THE BOND FOR WHAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY
LOOK LIKE IN AND AROUND FORT PHANTOM. 
          YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND NOT HAVING THAT PLAN IN FRONT OF ME,
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DECISION DOCUMENT FOR THE PLANNING STAFF. 
          IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. KIND OF A GENERAL. 
          BUT GIVEN THAT, WHAT IS THAT PLAN? WHAT DOES THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE IN THIS AREA? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I KNOW I'M I HATE SPRINGING THINGS ON YOU
GUYS. 
          YEAH. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ONE WE REFER TO EVERY DAY. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE IT COMMITTED TO MEMORY. HE'S GOT ONE THERE IF YOU WANT. 
          YEAH. NO, IT'S WE USE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY DAY AND THAT I DID LOOK AT. 
          AND WOULD YOU AGREE IN THIS CASE THAT WHAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THIS SITE IS VERY LOW
RESIDENTIAL, VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? WELL, IT'S IT'S LOW RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE, WHICH THIS MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA OF AN RV PARK THAT WAS
RECENTLY ADOPTED. 
          THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS TO GO OFF OF. THAT'S WHY WE'RE WE ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND IT'S YOUR OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THAT WE'LL GO WITH. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY HELPFUL. TIM. OTHER COMMENTS. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE SOME PERSONAL CONCERNS AS WELL. 
          I THINK THE LAKE ASSOCIATION KIND OF ACTS AS AN ANALOG TO AN HOA. 
          THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENCY AROUND THE LAKE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND I THINK THAT IF WE STEP INTO IT AND VIOLATE THE MASTER PLAN OF THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP OF THIS LAKE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE LONG TERM OF ABILENE. 
          AND THIS IS A TREASURE IN ABILENE TERMS AND ALL TERMS KNOW,
IT'S A IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT IS OUR BIGGEST RESERVOIR THAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN SOUTH OF TOWN WHERE THERE'S RESIDENCES,
THERE'S BOATS ON THE LAKE. 
          AND I THINK THE LONG TERM HOPE IS THAT THAT WOULD JUST ELEVATE WITH THE GROWTH OF ABILENE, WITH THE RISING TIDE THAT ABILENE IS GOING TO EXPERIENCE. 
          AND I THINK THIS CHEAPENS THAT. I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE IS LOW DENSITY,
WHETHER IT'S AGRICULTURAL, OPEN OR LOW RESIDENCY RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD BE US PUTTING IT THROUGH A LOOPHOLE TO PUT 149
UNITS IN THERE. 
          SO I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WOULD WOULD ANYONE. I'LL STATE WHAT I THINK JUST SAY I THINK HAVING THE CONSISTENCY OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE LAKE 
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ASSOCIATION, ESPECIALLY I THINK PART OF THE REASON YOU HAVE NOT SEEN DEVELOPMENT AROUND
HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT OWN THEIR LAND UNTIL JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS. AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, TYSON, I THINK YOU WOULD HOPE AS NOW THE PEOPLE OWN
THE LAND UNDER THEM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO BANKS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP. MY GRANDPARENTS OWNED THE
CABLE CAFE ON THE, ON THE DOCK FOR, FOR 20 YEARS. MY GREW UP ON THAT LAKE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO GROW. THIS DOES,
I THINK THERE'S A TOTALLY APPROPRIATE POTENTIAL PLACE FOR AN RV PARK ON THE LAKE. 
          I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS IS IT. I THINK WHEN YOU GO TO BIGGER LAKES OR OTHER LAKES,
YOU SEE RV PARKS, YOU SEE RV PARKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE LENDING THEMSELVES LIKE MOBILE HOTELS TO A
LAKE THAT IS A RECREATIONAL SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER IT BE THESE DEVELOPERS OR OTHER DEVELOPERS WORK WITH
BOTH THE CITY AND THE, AND THE LAKE ASSOCIATION ON WHERE THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE SPOT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. I JUST DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THIS IS THE SPOT. 
          AND SO AND THAT GOES VERY HARDLY AGAINST THE FACT THAT I THINK IF YOU OWN LAND,
YOU GET TO DO WITH LAND WHAT YOU WANT. 
          AND SO THAT IS A, THAT IS A TENSION OF THAT. AND WHEN YOU BUY LAND NEXT TO AGRICULTURAL
OPEN SPACE, YOU LEAVE YOURSELF OPEN TO THE FACT THAT THAT AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE IS A PLACEHOLDER
POSITION. 
          AND IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THAT. AND SO I WOULD EXPECT THERE WILL BE A MOTION HERE IN A
SECOND. 
          I WOULD SAY TO THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT IT FORWARD,
AS WELL AS TO ALL OF YOU THAT CAME TO OBJECT. 
          AGAIN, WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD. THIS WILL GO FORWARD EITHER DIRECTLY OR ON APPEAL
TOWARDS THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE THE FINAL DECISION WILL BE MADE. 
          AND SO I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, YOU TO CONTINUE I BELIEVE MR. RATLIFF TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY FINDING WAYS TO CONNECT WITH THE,
THE, THE HOMEOWNERS TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE. 
          I THINK ALL THOSE ARE GOOD CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD AND THE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND CITY
COUNCIL. 
          AND SO AS WE LOOK TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE ONE? BEFORE I DO, I SEE ZACH OVER THERE. WELL, I JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE OF THAT,
LIKE I WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE AND IF I'M IN A LOT OF YOUR PEOPLE'S SHOES, I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY. AND AT THE SAME TIME,
IF IT DOESN'T GO HERE. 
          BUT BUT SAYING IT SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. WELL,
THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT THERE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. AND SO I JUST CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. THERE'S,
THERE'S NEVER A PERFECT PLACE. 
          YEAH. WE HAD THE WEST LAKE ROAD PERSON COME AND TALK ABOUT THE. 
          YEAH, THAT MAKES YOU'RE VERY RIGHT. AND THAT TO ME,
JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT I DEFINITELY AND AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RV PARKS AND RECREATIONAL AREAS TO ACCESS THAT LAKE FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG OBJECTIONS TO THIS ONE IS THERE'S NO LAKE ACCESS. 
          IT REALLY DOESN'T BACK UP TO THE ACTUAL LAKE. 
          IT'S CAMPING SPOTS OR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD THINK IF YOU WERE DEVELOPING IT
AS A RECREATIONAL SPOT. 
          SO, SO GIVEN THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY,
I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY MR. STRASSER. YES. MR. HOUSE, MISS KIKER YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. 
          YES, MISS LEWIS. YES. MR.. SEITZ. NO. AND MR. BENHAM. I'LL ALSO SAY NO. SO THE MOTION TO DENY WAS PASSED. 
          IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF 5 TO 2. 
          AGAIN IT WILL LIKELY MOVE FORWARD EITHER THROUGH APPEAL. 
          AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A THREE MINUTE BATHROOM INTERMISSION
BEFORE WE CONCLUDE. 
          IF YOU IF YOUR MATTER IS DONE WITH TODAY, YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL ADJOURN FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE CALLING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. 
          COUNCIL WANTED ME TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT WAS DENIED. 
          THIS WILL. THE PREVIOUS MATTER WILL ONLY MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL IF IT IS APPEALED. 
          IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS THEIR INTENTION TO APPEAL. 
          AND SO AGAIN IF IT IF WE PASS SOMETHING THAT MOVES FORWARD STRAIGHT AWAY,
IF WE DENY SOMETHING, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE APPEALED. BUT THAT APPEAL PROCESS IS RELATIVELY FAST AND EASY TO DO. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS TRY TO RECOMMEND FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO KEEP GOING TO COUNCIL FOR THE
FINAL DECISION. 
          WE'RE NOW ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2026 DASH TEN RECEIVE A
REPORT. 
          HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST OF THE OWNER. 
          TO APPLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR DAYCARE OPERATION. 
          CENTER BASED WITH MULTIFAMILY LOCATED AT 3050 OLD ANSON ROAD. 
          ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ADAM HAHN. I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. 
          THIS IS CASE CUP 2026 TEN. OWNED BY ANSON PARK APARTMENTS,
LLC. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DAYCARE OPERATION CENTER BASED
WITHIN MF ZONING. 
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THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3050 OLD ANSON ROAD. 
          HERE IS THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP KIND OF SHOWING THE PROPERTY SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          HERE IS A CURRENT ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          THIS CURRENT, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MF WITH MF ZONING TO THE SOUTH OF THE
PROPERTY. 
          SOME A OH ZONING TO THE TO THE SOUTHEAST AREA OF IT. 
          HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IN RS SIX,
JUST ACROSS THIS OLD ANSON ROAD. 
          HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A. IT IS CURRENTLY APARTMENTS AS WELL AS THERE'S AN EXISTING
PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CHILD CARE FACILITY. 
          THIS CHILD CARE FACILITY WAS IN OPERATION PREVIOUSLY AND WAS PERMITTED BY. 
          RIGHT IN A PREVIOUS ORDINANCE. WHEN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS BUILT THAT STRUCTURE HAS
VACATED AT SOME POINT AROUND 2021 DUE TO A FIRE OR A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM ISSUE. 
          SO THE USE LOST ITS NONCONFORMING STATUS. AND SO THE REQUEST HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO
BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. HERE IS THE PLAN OF OPERATION FOR THE DAYCARE. 
          THEY HAVE PROPOSED A DAYCARE OPERATION CENTER BASED HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 5 A.M. 
          TO 7 P.M.. DAYS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 
          WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS AND RECEIVED SEVERAL IN FAVOR WITHIN THE TIME FRAME ALLOCATED TO
PLACE ON THIS AGENDA. 
          STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING
USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC AND STAFF
RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PLAN OF OPERATION. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM IS THE PLAN IS THE PLAN OF OPERATION SOMETHING YOU GUYS INSIST ON,
OR IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO LET GO OF? I GET THE SENSE THAT PLAN OF OPERATION IS IN THERE BECAUSE YOU
EXPECTED US TO WANT IT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT A PLAN OF OPERATION COULD BE WAIVED,
BUT THAT WOULD BE AT YOUR DISCRETION AND AT COUNCIL DISCRETION AS WELL. I THINK THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE A PLAN OF OPERATION. 
          YEAH. HOWEVER, I MEAN THE FLEXIBILITY TO ONE DAY HAVE A 24 HOUR DAYCARE FOR A PLACE THAT
HAS NURSES AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          LIKE THERE'S JUST FLEXIBILITY THERE AROUND DAYCARES OR SOMETHING. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY
IN ABILENE, BUT WE PROBABLY COULD USE SOME. 
          AND THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THE MAIN REASON I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT IN THIS CASE IS THAT IT'S
MY UNDERSTANDING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS NOT ACTUALLY RUNNING THIS DAYCARE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A DAYCARE IN PLACE YET. THEY'RE CORRECT. 
          I BELIEVE THE INTENTION IS TO LEASE THE DAYCARE OUT TO A TO A TENANT,
BUT THE APPLICANT AS WELL IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT SIDE. I'LL ASK THEM ABOUT THAT. MY,
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IMPOSING A PLAN OF OPERATION ON A POTENTIAL FUTURE TENANT THAT MAY NOT WANT TO ADOPT THIS ONE, AND THEN HAVING TO COME BACK BEFORE US TO GET JUST THAT,
TO CHANGE THE PLAN OF OPERATION. 
          YEAH. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THANKS,
ADAM. ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? IS
THE APPLICANT HERE, SIR? WOULD YOU FOR US TO ASK THAT QUESTION? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. I'M MARC HABSCHEID ONE OF THE OWNERS OF ANSON PARK APARTMENTS,
LLC. 
          SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR INTENTIONS FOR PUTTING BACK INTO SERVICE WHAT WAS
ALREADY IN SERVICE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CONDITION OF THE PLAN OF OPERATION,
OR THINK IT WILL HINDER YOUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT A TENANT TO RUN THE DAYCARE? NO SIR. SO WE ARE WE OWN TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN TOWN,
AND OUR PLAN IS TO, ONCE WE GET OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, MARKET IT TO FIND A QUALITY OPERATOR FOR THE PROPERTY,
IT WAS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY BEFOREHAND. 
          AS ADAM MENTIONED, IT WENT UNUSED FOR A WHILE. 
          WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN DECEMBER OF 2025, AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO PUT BACK
IN SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE LOTS OF KID RESIDENTS. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE PLAN OF OPERATION? YES, SIR. ADAM ASKED ME TO PUT THAT UP, SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT MY OWN KIDS. 
          THEY HAD DAYCARES THAT HAD THOSE KIND OF HOURS. 
          BUT WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER AN OPERATOR AND WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD APPROVE. 
          WELL, IF YOU END UP ATTRACTING AN OPERATOR WHO HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF HOURS,
LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO GO 6 TO 9 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WILL LIKELY HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET THAT AMENDED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, TIM? YES. THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO JUST JUST TO WARN THEM, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY WOULD HAVE DIFFICULTY
GETTING THAT PASSED, BUT IT WILL JUST BE ANOTHER TIME OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT ADVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS
THIS MATTER? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
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ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR
MOTIONS? A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PLAN OF OPERATION WITH THE PLAN OF OPERATIONS. 
          WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND CONDITIONS. 
          CHRISTIAN WITH A SECOND MR. STRESSOR. YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MR.. KYKER. YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. 
          YES. MISS. LEWIS. YES. MR.. SYKES. YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2026-11. 
          RECEIVE REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM
THE OWNER. TO APPLY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF APPROXIMATELY 0.32 ACRES ZONED IN CENTRAL BUSINESS TO ALLOW A TATTOO PARLOR LOCATED AT 1240 NORTH EIGHTH STREET. 
          CLARISSA. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CLARISSA I'VE. 
          I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. BEFORE YOU TODAY,
YOU HAVE KZUP202611. 
          THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS HICKORY AND EIGHTH LLC. 
          AND THE REPRESENTATIVE AGENT IS LYNNE SALAS. THE REQUEST IS FOR A TATTOO PARLOR AT 1240
NORTH EIGHTH. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS IN THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH EIGHTH AND HICKORY. 
          THIS IS LOCATED IN CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING AND CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING. 
          A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO OPERATE A TATTOO PARLOR. 
          THESE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS IN A LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER BUILDING AS WELL
AS SOME NEIGHBORING VIEWS. 
          THEY HAVE HOURS OF OPERATIONS OF TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 12 TO 8. 
          WE SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS. RECEIVE ONE IN FAVOR AND ZERO IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SURROUNDING USES AND
ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          ARE THESE THE SAME CONDITIONS? THERE'S TWO OTHER TATTOO PARLORS IN CENTRAL BUSINESS. 
          I BELIEVE ONE IN PEACOCK PATIO THAT WE'VE APPROVED. 
          ANOTHER ONE WAS ALONG MAYBE PINE STREET THERE OR SOMETHING. 
          THEY ALSO WERE SUBJECT TO THEIR CONCEPT PLANS OR THESE HOURS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ASKED
THOSE HOURS TO BE. 
          OR ARE THESE JUST THE HOURS, THE, THE HOURS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED? OKAY. I DID NOT VERIFY IT AGAINST THOSE OTHER TWO PLANS. 
          OKAY. IF THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THESE, I JUST I DIDN'T WANT US TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE ON THEM
THAN WHAT WE'VE ALLOWED IN OTHER ONES OR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. CLARISSA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HER? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HELLO, MY NAME IS KYLE SMITH. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          I HAVE WHITE BUFFALO PROPERTY SOLUTIONS, SEVERAL OTHER LLCS. 
          HICKORY AND EIGHTH IS ANOTHER ONE OF THEM BEEN WORKING ON REDEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY SINCE
I BOUGHT IT IN 22. 
          IT'S TAKEN A FEW YEARS. IT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALMOST CONDEMNED. 
          I WAS SURPRISED IT WASN'T HAD TO REDO EVERY ASPECT OF EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN THIS. 
          PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A BARBER SHOP IN THERE AND THEN MOST RECENTLY BEFORE THIS CURRENT
TENANT, WE HAD A LADY THAT DID TATTOOING AS COSMETOLOGY. 
          AND THIS JUST KIND OF FLOWS RIGHT INTO THE NEXT. 
          IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR A COUPLE OTHER USES AND OTHER AREAS IN DOWNTOWN. 
          I DON'T SEE, I THINK WHAT TEN YEARS AGO, IT USED TO BE A BIG ISSUE. 
          AND NOW IT'S STARTING TO KIND OF NOT BE. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL THAT SIT ON THE BOARD. I KNOW THIS HAS GOT TO TAKE A LOT OF
TIME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND THE CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          THERE ARE LIKE OURS THAT'S THERE. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU GUYS THE HOURS OR IS IT TO TO
RESTRICTIVE. 
          IS THAT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE? I'M SORRY. 
          WE'LL WE'LL LET YOU SIT DOWN AND LET HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF. 
          AND IF HE'S THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO IT'S ALL IN THE MIC. OKAY. YES,
SIR. COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? LYNN SOLIS. 
          15 REAGAN CIRCLE OR THIS ONE? THE HOURS I WOULDN'T MIND EXTENDING. 
          I MEAN, I, I WORK APPOINTMENTS ONLY, SO I WORK EARLY IN THE MORNINGS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE
DAY. 
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I TATTOO POLICE OFFICERS MUSICIANS, A LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS HERE. 
          SO I MEAN, I WORK WITH AROUND THEIR HOURS AS WELL. 
          SO MY HOURS ARE JUST, THIS IS JUST WHAT I HAD OF IT IN MY OTHER SHOT. 
          OKAY. I'M JUST DOING THIS TO, FOR THE, FOR THIS,
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS, MORE FLEXIBILITY, MORE FLEXIBLE FOR ME MORE IN THE MORNING OR MAN,
I. 
          PROBABLY MORE IN THE MORNING WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR ME. 
          I THINK THAT'S DOABLE BECAUSE I'M USUALLY THERE FROM,
FROM ABOUT 9:00 IN THE MORNING TILL ABOUT EIGHT, 7 OR 8. I MEAN, IF THIS WAS NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL,
WE WOULD SAY BASICALLY 8 TO 8. 
          I MEAN, SOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER TWO
ONES. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF BECAUSE THESE HOURS SEEMED PRETTY TIGHT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD REQUIRED FOR THE OTHER TWO TATTOO PARLORS THAT ARE
RELATIVELY IN DOWNTOWN. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE OTHER THE OTHER ONES AS WELL EITHER. 
          OKAY. SINCE TO DO AN 8 TO 8 IN THIS AREA OF TOWN WOULD WE WOULD WE AMEND THE CONCEPT? WOULD WE, WOULD WE GIVE A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN IF WE WANTED TO AMEND THE HOURS? OR DO WE NEED TO. YEAH. YOU WOULD JUST IN YOUR MOTION,
AMEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. 
          VERY GOOD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ANY DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS OR MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE IN HOURS AS HE AS STATED. 
          AMEND. SEE, I'D SAY I'D SAY SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          HOWEVER, WITH AMENDED HOURS FROM 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. 
          ON THE DAYS THAT IT'S OPEN. WHAT BRAD SAID. CAN WE CAN WE STAY THAT SECOND? SO KRISTEN WITH THE MOTION. TYSON WITH A SECOND. 
          MR.. STRASSER. YES, MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS KYKER. 
          YES. MR. HALLIBURTON. YES, MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SEITZ. YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. MOTION APPROVED. 
          WE LOST OUR PERSON. ALL RIGHT. CASE NUMBER FIVE. 
          ZONING CASE 2026-34. RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION. 
          PUBLIC HEARING. TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF
APPROXIMATELY 2.23 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL RS SIX TO MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          THIS LOCATED PROPERTY ID 1060 391 FOR KIARA. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KIARA VOICE. I'M A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. 
          TODAY I'M REPRESENTING CASE Z 2020 634. THE AGENT IS JACOB AND MARTIN LLC. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.23 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE FAMILY TO MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          HERE YOU'LL SEE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. IT'S LOCATED OFF OF OLD FOREST HILL. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BASE ZONING IS FOR THAT? PD RIGHT THERE. I DO NOT. OKAY. I FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, SORRY. HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT. 
          PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE PERMITTED USES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING. 
          PERMITTED USES IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT IN A 200 FOOT
BUFFER. 
          WE DID RECEIVE ONE IN OPPOSITION, RESULTING IN 1.26% IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. 
          SO ARE THEY GOING TO PUT HOUSES IN THAT LITTLE AREA? THAT LITTLE. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'RE JUST PLANNING ON PUTTING A DUPLEX. 
          A DUPLEX THERE. OKAY. GOT IT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN SPEAK MORE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP? YEAH. 
          YEAH. CAN WE JUST LEAVE THAT UP? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIRA? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD
AFTERNOON. 
          CLAYTON FARROW WITH JACOB AND MARTIN. AGENT FOR THE DEVELOPER. AS KIRA MENTIONED,
THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST TO SUPPORT A SINGLE DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT IS ZONED RS SIX TODAY, AND IT'S IT'S SEPARATED FROM THE HOMES THAT FRONT PHOENIX BY AN
OVERHEAD ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINE. 
          AND SO THERE'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL EXISTING BOUNDARY CONDITION THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THOSE
PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TOPOGRAPHY ON THAT SITE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO PROHIBIT MUCH OF DEVELOPMENT OF ANYTHING. 
          SO MY CLIENT IS ASKED TO EXTEND THE MEDIUM DENSITY THAT IS EXISTING ON TIN CUP THAT YOU
SEE ON THE MAP TO ESSENTIALLY THAT TRIANGLE TO ALLOW HIM TO BUILD A 
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SINGLE DUPLEX ON THAT PROPERTY. BRAD, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE ZONING UNDERLAY OF THE PD. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S R SIX. IT'S ESSENTIALLY 50 FOOT SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE DUPLEXES ON THIS TIN CUP STREET. 
          YES, MA'AM. THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE IN THAT DARK ORANGE. OKAY. ALL THE WAY DOWN TIN CUP. 
          THERE ARE DUPLEXES. OKAY. SO HERE, THIS ONE FACE,
OLD FOREST. 
          IT WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE ON OLD FOREST HILL ROAD. 
          YES, BUT JUST ONE DUPLEX THERE. YES, MA'AM. INTERESTING. 
          OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLAYTON? THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. YES, SIR. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? ANY MOTIONS? I DON'T SEE A USE FOR THAT LAND OTHER THAN THIS ONE. 
          SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. 
          I SECOND. GARY WITH A SECOND. MR. STRAUSSER. YES. 
          MR. HOUSE. MISS KYKER. YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. 
          YES. MISS LEWIS. YES. MR.. SYKES. YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. MOTION APPROVED. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX IS ZONING CASE 2026-35. 
          RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE
OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 24.48 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO MULTIFAMILY. LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF EAST LAKE ROAD AND MUSGRAVE
BOULEVARD. 
          ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON ONCE AGAIN. ADAM HOLLAND,
PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. 
          THIS IS CASE Z 2020 635. THIS IS REPRESENTED BY FLAT CREEK BUILDERS. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 24.48 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN
TO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING. 
          THIS IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MUSGRAVE AND EAST LAKE ROAD. 
          HERE IS THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED. 
          HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME MULTIFAMILY JUST
NORTH OF THIS AREA. 
          WHILE IT IS SURROUNDED IN GENERAL BY AGRICULTURAL OPEN AND THERE IS SOME GENERAL RETAIL TO
THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          CURRENTLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS VACANT. PROPERTIES ADJACENT ARE VACANT AS WELL. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING DISTRICT. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN THE TIME ALLOTTED TO PLACE IN THIS AGENDA
TODAY. 
          STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING
USES AND ZONING, GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. JUST CURIOUS,
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY TYPE UNITS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE A SINGLE STORY TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY,
BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. 
          I WAS JUST INTERESTED. SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? PREFERABLY THE APPLICANT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JUSTIN HARDIN. I'M THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING FLAT CREEK
BUILDERS. 
          MY BROTHER'S HERE WITH ME TODAY. MATT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MANY HOUSES. 
          THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. YEAH. WE BASICALLY PLAYED LEGOS WITH IT. 
          TOOK THEM APART. THERE'LL BE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. 
          WE HAVE ROUGHLY IN OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN. I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE ONE UP HERE TODAY. 
          I MAYBE WE DIDN'T SEND IT. MY FAULT, BUT BETWEEN DEPENDING ON HOW ENGINEERING ALL SHAKES
OUT. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FLOODPLAIN, BUT BETWEEN 230 AND 250 UNITS,
MOST OF THEM WILL BE SINGLE STORY. 
          WE DO HAVE ROUGHLY 30 THREE BEDROOM, TWO STORY UNITS. 
          SURFACE PARKING. THEY PREFAB OR. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. 
          YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A LOCAL BUILDER, TYNER CONSTRUCTION,
TO BUILD THEM AND HOW FAST YOU CAN GET THEM ONLINE PRETTY QUICK. 
          IF WE CAN JUST GET THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH ENGINEERING AND THINGS,
BUT WE THINK FIRST WE'LL OPEN UP IN PACKAGES AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST SOME WILL BE BIGGER THAN OTHERS, BUT ROUGHLY ABOUT 30 AT A TIME. 
          SO ONCE WE GET THOSE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY WILL HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE FENCED OFF. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE MOVE IN. WE'LL START WORKING. 
          WE DID A SIMILAR PROJECT IN SAN ANGELO AND RAN IT THE SAME WAY. 
          SO WE TRY TO MARKET AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FILL UP 250 AT
ONE TIME AND, 
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YOU KNOW, OVERLOAD THE SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL. SO 30 AT ROUGHLY 30 AT A TIME AND GET PEOPLE
MOVED IN. 
          SO I'M THINKING SIX MONTHS TO MOVE SOME DIRT AROUND STARTING NOVEMBER. 
          NEXT SUMMER, WE CAN START MOVING PEOPLE IN. I'VE BEEN A PART OF A BUNCH OF HOUSING STUDIES
OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          YES, SIR. AND THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WELL,
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. 
          MR. LITTLEJOHN HAS BEEN DEALING WITH MY BROTHER AND I. HE'S PROBABLY ANNOYED WITH US BY
NOW. SO WE DO ONE LIKE THIS OVER BY DYESS AS WELL. 
          LIKE AS AS QUICK AS WE CAN GET THEM, WE NEED THEM. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. TYSON, WERE YOU GOING TO ASK? YEAH. IS THIS GOING TO BE A RENTAL
PROJECT OR. 
          YES, SIR. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING THIS, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT,
SO I CALLED THEM MANY HOUSES, JUST OLD HABIT. 
          BUT NOW THE TERM IS BETTER. BILL TO RENT. BUT WE OPERATE JUST LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          ANYWHERE ELSE MANAGERS MAINTENANCE ON STAFF AND SO ARE THERE AMENITIES IN THE SITE PLAN
AND. 
          YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A POOL, WE'RE GOING TO PLAYGROUND DOG PARK. 
          WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FLOODPLAIN THAT WE REALLY CAN'T BUILD IN. 
          WHICH I MAY BE COMING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT,
BUT IT'S ABOUT SEVEN ACRES. 
          WE WANT TO DO LIKE DOG PARKS, WALKING TRAIL BACK IN THAT AREA,
KIND OF UTILIZE THAT DEAD SPACE. 
          IT'S UP KIND OF IN THAT POINTY AREA UP IN THE NORTH CORNER. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO. WHAT WE FOUND IN SAN ANGELO. 
          OH, AND WE'LL HAVE A WEIGHT ROOM AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO RENT OUT,
HAVE PARTIES AND STUFF IN THE OFFICE. 
          WE'LL HAVE A CLUBHOUSE WHERE THEY CAN DO THINGS LIKE BIRTHDAY PARTIES FOR THEIR KIDS. 
          YOU GUYS WOULD OWN ALL OF THESE AND JUST RENT THEM OUT. 
          YES, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU ALL. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MOTIONS ON THIS MATTER? SOUNDS GREAT TO ME. I THINK THIS MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. 
          AND I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND THAT CHRISTIAN WITH A SECOND. 
          MR. STRASSER? YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS KYKER. 
          YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SEITZ. YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          ZONING CASE NUMBER SEVEN, OR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          ZONING CASE 2026-37. RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION
ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER. 
          TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 6.97 ACRES FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO MULTIFAMILY,
LOCATED AT 2202 UNION LANE. 
          ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS ONCE AGAIN ADAM HOLLAND,
PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. 
          THIS IS CASE Z 2020 637, OWNED BY GARY MUSGRAVE REPRESENTED BY JACOB MARTIN. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 6.97 ACRES FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO
MULTIFAMILY. 
          HERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THIS IS CURRENTLY JUST NORTH OF AN EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX AND JUST
NORTHWEST OF THE SELF STORAGE A TO Z SELF STORAGE ON UNION LANE THERE. HERE IS AN EXISTING ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE PROPERTY SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED GR. 
          ADJACENT PROPERTIES NEARBY ARE MD. TO THE NORTH WITH FURTHER RS SIX ZONING TO THE WEST IS
AGRICULTURAL OPEN WITH SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES AND TO THE SOUTH IS GR WITH AN EXISTING MULTIFAMILY USE TO THERE AS WELL, AND THE PD ADJACENT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GR WITH A BASE AS A BASE ZONING. 
          HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES NEARBY. 
          THERE'S SOME DUPLEXES JUST NORTH AS WELL, AND THE CURRENT. 
          CURRENTLY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS VACANT AND THERE IS AN EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX JUST
SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN GENERAL RETAIL ZONING. 
          AND HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOTICES IN IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST WITHIN THE TIME
ALLOTTED TO PLACE THIS. 
          BUT I DID RECEIVE ONE IN OPPOSITION AT PROPERTY ID 44985. 
          THAT IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF PATRIOT COMMONS ROAD THERE IN THE RS6 ZONING DISTRICT. 
          STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A SURROUNDING
USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S SOUTH
OF IT IS IN GENERAL RETAIL. 
          WAS THAT BUILT BEFORE? WHEN? WHEN IT WAS A RIOT,
OR DID THEY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE TO BUILD AN APARTMENT THERE? YES. THAT WAS BUILT WHEN MULTIFAMILY WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN GR. 
          OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE ADDING MORE MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NORTH. 
          YES. CORRECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          [01:40:02]
SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT CLOSE THE. THANK YOU. 
          ADAM. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MATTER. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? GOOD AFTERNOON. TAL FILLING AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          BRAD, YOU YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH REGARD TO THIS THIS AREA AND THE MULTIFAMILY
THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE TO, TO THE SOUTH. SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS ZONING GR WAS SELECTED,
REALLY TO PROVIDE SOME VARIETY OR OPPORTUNITY AND TYPES OF USES ACROSS THIS ENTIRE WHAT'S CALLED THE QUAIL VALLEY EDITION. 
          IT'S GOT SOME SELF STORAGE THAT FRONTS HIGHWAY 351. 
          IT'S GOT THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH. I BELIEVE A CAR WASH WAS,
WAS JUST BUILT ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALONG. 
          351 THIS PARTICULAR TRACK AGAIN, IT WAS GR THE,
THE INTENT AT THE TIME WAS THAT MULTIFAMILY COULD, COULD GO IN, I THINK IN 2018 OR 19 MAYBE IS WHEN WE,
WHEN WE PULLED MULTIFAMILY OUT OF GR. 
          SO WE HAVE A VERY A SPECIFIC USER FOR THE TRACK. 
          AND IT IS MULTIFAMILY. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING TO GO FROM GR TO MULTIFAMILY. 
          AS STAFF POINTED OUT, EVEN TO OUR NORTH IN THE HERITAGE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FIRST ROW
OF, OF HOUSING THERE IS MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE AT THE LOCATION. 
          WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR DALE? HOW MANY UNITS? I DON'T KNOW YET. 
          WE DON'T. WE DON'T HAVE IT LAID OUT. THE LAYOUT FINALIZED MULTIFAMILY ALLOWS 24 UNITS PER
ACRE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SIX ACRES, 6.7, JUST A LITTLE OVER 100 UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          THERE IS A DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE. 
          IT'LL REDUCE OUR ABILITY TO, TO FILL THE TRACK COMPLETELY UP. 
          BUT BUT YEAH, SOMETHING JUST NORTH OF 100 UNITS. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? TO ME, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW PLACES WE HAVE IN TOWN THAT'S LAID OUT. 
          THE WAY THEY TRY TO TELL YOU TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW,
IT'S MORE MAKES SENSE. 
          IT'S MORE DENSE, CLOSER TO THE MAIN ROAD, AND THEN IT GETS LESS DENSE AS YOU GET FARTHER
AWAY. AND SO THE FACT THAT IT ALREADY HAS MULTIFAMILY RIGHT BELOW IT MAKES SENSE TO ME AS WELL. SO. MOTION TO APPROVE. KEVIN WITH A MOTION OR CHANTY WITH A FIRST AND KEVIN WITH A
SECOND. 
          MR.. STRASSER YES. MR.. HOUSE. YES. MISS. KIKER. 
          YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. MISS. LEWIS. YES. 
          MR.. SEITZ. YES. AND MR.. BENHAM. YES. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS ZONING CASE 2026-38. 
          RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM
THE OWNER. 
          TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.33 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE FAMILY TO PATIO HOME LOCATED AT 2525 BEL AIR DRIVE. 
          CLARISSA. HELLO, MY NAME IS CLARISSA I'VE. PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. 
          BEFORE YOU HAVE KIDS, 2020 638 THE AGENT FOR THIS PROJECT IS JACOB MARTIN,
LLC. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO PATIO HOMES. 
          YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE DEJA VU RIGHT HERE. 
          IT'S A IT'S A LONG BELLAIRE. AS YOU CAN SEE,
IT'S JUST SOUTH OF SOME PATIO HOMES AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT WAS BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH. THESE ARE SOME PROPERTY VIEWS AS WELL AS SOME NEIGHBORING. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE CHURCH IS NEARBY, YOU CAN SEE THE PATIO HOMES AND ALSO SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCE. 
          ALONG THAT BACK ROAD. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING IS PATIO HOMES. AND THIS WOULD BE THE ALLOWED USES IN PATIO HOME
ZONING. 
          WE SEND THAT NOTIFICATIONS. WE RECEIVED FOUR IN FAVOR AND ZERO IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA
FOR APPROVAL IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT
HAVE, OR ALL FOUR OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE SAME OWNER THAT JUST HAPPENS TO OWN ALL THE OTHER
PATIO HOMES. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER IMPORTANT QUESTIONS? THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARISSA? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? TILE FILLING AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. YES. 
          [01:45:02]
AND MY CLIENT DEFINITELY SUPPORTS THE REQUEST FOR PATIO HOME. 
          MY CLIENT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE BIT OF LAND FROM THE CHURCH. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THEIR HOPE IS TO CONTINUE. WHAT? THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED WITH
PATIO HOMES HERE. I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE MORE THAT CAN FIT IN,
IN ON THIS TRACT OF LAND. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. AND LIKE STAFF,
WE ALSO BELIEVE IT TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF I CAN. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR
MOTION? WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY TO DEATH. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          KEVIN WITH A FIRST. KRISTEN WITH A SECOND. MR. SEITZ IS CONFLICTED OUT, WHICH IS WHY HE'S NOT HERE. 
          SO IT'LL JUST BE US SIX. THANK YOU, MR. STRASSER. 
          YES, MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS KIGER. YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. 
          YES. MISS LEWIS? YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. ALL RIGHT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ZONING CASE 2026-39. 
          RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM
THE OWNER. TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.9 ACRES FROM MEDIUM DENSITY TO GENERAL RETAIL. LOCATED AT 3509 SOUTH 14TH. ADAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. THIS IS CASE Z 2020 639,
OWNED BY RONALD INGRAM. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.97 ACRES FROM MEDIUM DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL RETAIL. 
          HERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          THIS IS JUST WEST OF THE FORMER ABILENE WOMEN'S CLUB AND JUST EAST OF THIS SUBDIVISION AS
WELL. 
          THIS, THIS SUBDIVISION IS CURRENTLY ZONED RS12 LARGER,
LARGER, LESS DENSE DISTRICT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS CURRENTLY ZONED MD. 
          AS WELL AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF. HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB,
JUST TO THE, TO THE, THE EAST THERE. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND TO
THE WEST AS WELL. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO NOTIFICATIONS IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED. 
          STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING
USES AND ZONING. 
          GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF
RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO
WITH IT? I DO NOT. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO CATCLAW,
RIGHT? YES. AND IT'S IN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE. I BELIEVE THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS. 
          I BELIEVE SO. SO IS THERE A SITE PLAN PART OF THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE WITH RUNOFF AND ALL
THAT, THAT IT. YES. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS,
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN REVIEW. 
          THROUGH PART OF WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          THAT THAT WILL BE APPLICABLE AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
WOMEN'S FORMER WOMEN'S CLUB. 
          IS IT GENERAL RETAIL AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO DOWN SOUTH? 14. YES. SO THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS JUST THE RANDOM KIND OF MEDIUM DENSITY,
BUT THEN IT'S GENERAL RETAIL. 
          IT IS GENERALLY GENERAL GENERAL RETAIL WITH SOME OFFICE ZONING KIND OF IN THERE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. MIXED IN THERE AS WELL. ALONG SOUTH 14TH AND BARROW. 
          THERE'S OUR WILLIS SORRY. SOUTH 14TH AND WILLIS. 
          THAT'S THE, THE UNITED AS WELL. YEAH. THEN IT GETS INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE
UNITED. 
          EVERYTHING OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? RIGHT. WHERE SYLVAN WHERE SYLVAN IS. ISN'T IT CALLED FAT MAT NOW OR SOMETHING? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. FAT MAN, YOU KEPT SAYING NO. 
          SORRY. IT WAS HISTORICALLY THE WOMEN'S CLUB. AND THEN AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS LIKE
BIG COUNTRY TITLE. 
          YES. LIKE, AND THEN AS YOU GO DOWN IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          YEAH. SO. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM,
FOR ADAM? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? FEEL FREE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JUDY INGRAM. I'M AGENT FOR THE OWNER. 
          AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT PROPERTY ON THE MARKET FOR
APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS. 
          WELL, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT PART WE'VE HAD VIRTUALLY NO RESPONSE AT ALL. 
          AND AS A CAREER, I AM A REAL ESTATE BROKER AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL APPRAISER
FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          [01:50:05]
THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY IS TO DEVELOP IT ACCORDING TO GUIDELINES. 
          AS GENERAL RETAIL, SMALL RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW,
NOTHING OFFENSIVE BY ANY MEANS, BUT JUST HIGHEST AND BEST USE. 
          REALLY TRULY WITH FRONTING SOUTH 14TH THERE WITH THE TRAFFIC COUNT,
EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL. IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. AND THE MULTI OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY,
IT'S JUST NOT BRINGING ANY YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WANTING TO SELL IT, DEVELOP IT, SELL IT. WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          BUT THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO AT LEAST JUST SHARE WITH Y'ALL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND FROM
THE OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? SO YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET. 
          YOU WERE JUST LOOKING TO GET. WE'RE LOOKING TO SELL IT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. 
          OKAY, BUT TO SELL IT UNDER THAT EXISTING ZONING IS JUST NOT BRINGING ANYONE IN FOR FOUR
YEARS. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES. THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME RESTAURANT CHAINS
THAT I'M WANTING TO APPROACH. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL COFFEE HOUSES, BUT A SMALL. 
          IT'S IT'S KIND OF PIE SHAPE, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S KIND OF IT'S NARROW AT THE BACK. 
          IT'S WIDE AT 14. IT'S GOT I THINK WOULD BE EASY. 
          INGRESS EGRESS. I THINK THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MARKET IT OR
TO MARKET IT TO POTENTIAL SMALL RESTAURANTS. I KEEP COMING BACK TO THAT,
BUT THAT JUST, THERE'S JUST SOME THAT I'M REALLY WANTING TO CONTACT THAT I THINK WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR THE ABILENE MARKET. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS INGRAM? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL. THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? HI, I'M GARY CASEY. I LIVE AT 102 CIRCLE OF HOLLY. 
          THAT LITTLE SPOT DOWN THERE THAT TOUCHES BY A POINT AND I'VE WATCHED THAT PIECE OF LAND
ALL MY LIFE. 
          I'VE LIVED IN ABILENE ALL MY LIFE, AND IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE THE DAY THAT ABILENE WAS
CREATED. 
          AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE THERE. 
          AND NOW THAT I HAVE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA, I STILL THINK THAT. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK THE TYPE OF WHAT GOES THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED OF WHAT'S AROUND IT. 
          AND THERE'S HOMES ALL DOWN THE BACKSIDE. THERE'S PEOPLE IN THAT CIRCLE BACK THERE THAT IT
AFFECTS. 
          AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING THERE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE
TAX DOLLARS FROM THAT THAN JUST DIRT. 
          AND BUT IF YOU DEVALUE ALL THE PROPERTY AROUND THERE BY WHAT GOES IN THERE,
THEN YOU'VE LOST ANY INVESTMENT YOU'VE MADE TO HAVE SOME PROPERTY IN THERE. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THERE. 
          SOMEONE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE? TEXT ME AND SAID,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOISE. 
          THERE IS. I MEAN, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'VE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 30,000 YEARS, SINCE 1986,
1986, 86. 
          THAT'S EASY MATH. THAT'S 40 YEARS. GOSH, I'M OLDER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT LONG. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IT'D BE THAT THAT OLD AT THIS POINT IN LIFE. 
          BUT ANYWAY YOU KNOW, THERE'S PRIVACY TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          THERE IS THE SAFETY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S IT GOING TO BRING IN? IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO AS YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS YOU KNOW, KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER WAY TO RESTRICT THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DOWN
TO SOMETHING WHERE IT'S SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY LOW IMPACT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A INSURANCE AGENT THAT
WANTED TO GO THERE, AND SOME FOLKS I THOUGHT IT'D GO THROUGH. I THOUGHT,
GREAT, IT'S GOING TO BE AN INSURANCE AGENCY THERE THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE HOUSES IN THE AREA. AND LO AND BEHOLD,
IT GOT DROPPED OUT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT GOT DROPPED OUT. 
          AND I THOUGHT, OF ALL PLACES, AN INSURANCE AGENT. 
          THEY NEVER MOVE ANYWHERE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY GO TO THEIR PLACE. THEY'RE VERY LOW
IMPACT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM US ON 14TH,
ONE OF THE INSURANCE AGENTS WE USED TO WORK WITH IS NOW VAPE SHOP. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT A VAPE SHOP THERE, BUT JUST CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU GUYS. 
          I THINK THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE THERE. AND DIRT DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR THE CITY OF
ABILENE, BUT SOMETHING THERE SHOULD. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE RESTRICTED TO FIT INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S INVOLVED THERE. 
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SO SO THAT THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM MEDIUM MEDIUM DENSITY TO GENERAL RETAIL. 
          GENERALLY THAT WOULD BE A A DOWN ZONE TO AN EXTENT. 
          I MEAN, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD TYPICALLY THINK ON A ON AN ACREAGE THIS SIZE THAT GENERAL
RETAIL IS, IS LESS IMPACTFUL THAN WHAT MEDIUM DENSITY COULD BE. 
          WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT GOES IN THERE. YES. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE TYPE OF BUILDING
BUILDING CAPACITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY, YOU COULD PUT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT A GENERAL RETAIL COULD. WELL,
AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A MOVE TO PUT A MULTI-LEVEL YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY AREA IN THERE. AND OF COURSE, IT WAS VOTED DOWN FORTUNATELY,
BECAUSE PRIVACY THERE AGAIN, THEY'D BE LOOKING RIGHT DOWN IN OUR BACKYARDS. YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULD BE, WOULD YOUR REQUEST BE SOMETHING LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL THAT WOULD HAVE
LIKE RESTRICTED HOURS? LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD BE? I WOULD SAY RESTRICTED HOURS. IF YOU CAN GET AN INSURANCE AGENCY TO GO TO THAT,
THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVER GO ANYWHERE EXCEPT FOR THAT TIME. 
          YES, YES. BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO. THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESS WE DON'T
WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IN THERE FOR SURE. 
          BUT GENERAL COMMERCIAL OPENS IT UP TO ANYTHING. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A GENERAL RETAIL,
NOT GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND SO THAT'S A GENERAL RETAIL GENERAL. GENERAL RETAIL IS, IS, I WOULD SAY LESS IMPACTFUL THAN GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR WHAT COULD GO IN THERE. 
          I AGREE. YEAH. SO BUT STILL IT WOULD IT STILL BE IT'S MORE IMPACTFUL. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE IT LESS IMPACTFUL. IN FACT, IF IT WENT DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING,
THERE IS A HOUSE DOWN THE STREET THAT'S FACES 14TH. 
          SO IT COULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IF SOMEONE SO DESIRED TO. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. GOOD. THANKS. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KYLE TATUM. I LIVE AT 161365 SYLVAN,
WHICH IS 1918 ON YOUR MAP. 
          OKAY, LET ME GET MYSELF RIGHT. YEAH. AND I. MY ISSUES WITH THIS IS MORE ABOUT SAFETY. IF YOU'LL TAKE A BIG BROAD LOOK AT SOUTH 14TH STREET FROM
PIONEER TO THIS VERY LOCATION, IT'S A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL SIDE FACING OR FRONT FACING PROPERTIES
BETWEEN PIONEER AND THE WOMEN'S CLUB. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT FIVE ENTRANCES ON THE SOUTH 14TH WHERE YOU'VE GOT 40 MILE AN HOUR GOING ONE
WAY, 35 GOING TO 40 THE OTHER WAY. AND IT ALL IMPACTS RIGHT THERE. 
          THE CITY CAME IN AND BUILT A SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO YOU PUT A GENERAL DOLLAR THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT TWO MORE ENTRANCES WITHIN A ONE
BLOCK AREA ONTO BUSY SOUTH 14TH. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE COMING EAST IN BUSY TRAFFIC TO TURN IN THAT NARROW ALLEY. 
          THAT'S MY DRIVEWAY. AND THREE OTHER HOMES. DRIVEWAYS RIGHT THERE. 
          PEOPLE TRYING TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO GENERAL RETAIL. 
          YOU'VE GOT A LIGHT AT WILLIS HAS A CROSSWALK. 
          YOU MAY HAVE A CROSSWALK AT ELMWOOD. I'VE NOT GONE TO THAT INTERSECTION,
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO PIONEER BEFORE YOU HAVE A PLACE TO CROSS. 
          SO THE CITY SIDEWALK WENT THROUGH MY YARD WAS A PROBLEM,
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT HAS NO WAY TO GET ACROSS THE STREET TO THAT LOCATION WITH CARS GOING 40 MILES
AN HOUR IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AT THAT LOCATION. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD ENOUGH NOW YOU PUT TWO MORE DRIVEWAYS IN THAT ONE BLOCK
AREA, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SAFETY, PARTICULARLY WITH A DOLLAR GENERAL,
A RESTAURANT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. 
          I GO TO BED AT 8:00 AT NIGHT. MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS. 
          IF YOU GOT A RESTAURANT OPEN TILL 9:00, IT'S GOING TO BE GOING RIGHT IN MY BEDROOM WINDOW. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE. 
          I WILL NOTE IT WAS DENIED TWICE SINCE I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE. 
          TO CHANGE. THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THERE. 
          I DO AGREE, BUT GENERAL RETAIL, THE TRAFFIC THAT IT BRINGS IN A TIGHT TRAFFIC AREA ANYWAY
IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT AN IMPOSSIBLE AREA TO GET IN AND AROUND WITH THE EXISTING CROSSWALK SPEED LIMITS AND
EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA. 
          NOT TO MENTION RETAIL DOESN'T REALLY START START UNTIL YOU GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
WOMEN'S CLUB ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. TIM, CAN I,
CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? 
          [02:00:05]
WHO WOULD DETERMINE WHERE THE CUT ENDS OR IF THERE COULD BE A CUT IN ON THAT BLOCK? IS THAT CITY OF ABILENE? YEAH, IT'S OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. 
          ENGINEERING? AND SO THEY WOULD MAKE SURE WORKING. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT'S AHEAD OF US TODAY. BUT THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THE RIGHT
AMOUNT OF TURNING RADIUS OR. YES, SIR. DO THEY NEED TO WORK WITH A NEIGHBOR AND SHARE A CUT IN OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IF THAT IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          YEAH. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I'M RON INGRAM,
I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I'VE OWNED IT FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE APPLIED FOR A ZONING PERMIT. 
          I'M TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO. I MEAN, IF I LIVE THERE I WOULDN'T WANT SOMETHING LOUD,
YOU KNOW, IF I WAS. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THE CARWASH BUSINESS 25 YEARS. I'M NOT BUYING IT TO PUT IN A CARWASH. 
          IT WOULD BE A LOW DENSITY THING, AND IT WOULD BE A ALMOST A DESTINATION POINT WHERE PEOPLE
WOULD COME TO THE INSURANCE OFFICE, OR PEOPLE WOULD COME TO A BANK OR WHATEVER'S THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A NUISANCE AND IT WON'T BE A NOISE FACTOR SINCE SOUTH 14TH IS SO
NOISY ANYWAY. 
          YES, SIR. NO, SIR. THAT'S GREAT. OH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR.. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          CAN I MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT? YES, SIR. GARY,
IT'S FOR SALE. 
          THAT WAS GREAT. HELLO, MY NAME IS BRAD CRANFORD. 
          I AM ON 1425 SYLVAN, WHICH WOULD BE. TWO, FIVE,
SIX ON YOUR MAP THERE. WE BACK UP DIRECTLY TO THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE
TODAY. 
          MY WIFE, CURLY ASHBY'S SOME OTHERS AND JUST WANTED TO SAY,
WE'VE LIVED THERE 21 YEARS AND THAT PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW. AND MULTIPLE FAMILIES WOULD BE AFFECTED IF YOU CHANGE THAT ZONING, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN GUARANTEE ONCE YOU SAY IT'S
GENERAL RETAIL, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INSURANCE AGENCY OR A SMALL RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING ELSE,
BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THOSE POSSIBILITIES THAT WERE LISTED. 
          SO COULD BE A VAPE SHOP. IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S LISTED THERE. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, SAFETY IS, IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS,
THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTIES. 
          I'VE SPOKEN TO 2 OR 3 REALTORS THAT SAID THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO AFFECT THE THE
VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THE PRIVACY IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE. 
          I PULLED UP JUST A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEDIUM DENSITY AND GENERAL RETAIL
RETAIL STORES, RESTAURANTS, SERVICES, OFFICES, PUBLIC FACING BUSINESSES,
HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE CONCERNS. 
          LONGER OPERATING HOURS AND HIGHER ALLOWABLE NOISE LEVELS. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY, THAT'S RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS HOLLIS,
SYLVAN DRIVE, ELMWOOD. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE AREAS WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE TRAFFIC LEVELS. 
          AND THEN ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE PLAYING
ON STREETS IN THOSE AREAS. 
          AND THE HIGHER TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A CONCERN THERE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE. 
          A LITTLE BIT TAKEN BACK FROM THAT FIRST ONE THAT WAS HERE. 
          SO SORRY Y'ALL HAD TO SIT THROUGH IT. ANYWAY,
WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CRANFIELD?
THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JAY ASHBY. I'M AT 1433 SYLVAN,
RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO BRAD. 
          AND THANK YOU AGAIN. ALSO FOR Y'ALL'S SERVICE. 
          I'VE LEARNED A LOT TODAY. IT'S MY FIRST ZONING MEETING TO EVER GO TO. 
          I ATTEND QUITE A FEW BOARD MEETINGS, AND IT'S KIND OF NICE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          FROM, FROM THE OTHER SIDE. I I'D LIKE TO ECHO JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS. 
          [02:05:04]
I CAME HERE REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT THE PLAN AND WHETHER THAT WOULD KIND OF
DETERMINE YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS ZONING REQUEST AND I RESPECT THE,
WHERE THE LANDOWNER IS AT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY, WHICH BACKS UP RIGHT TO MY,
MY BACK FENCE YOU KNOW, I SEE IT AS AN IMPORTANT TRANSITION WHEN I, WHEN THINKING ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT,
BUT I SEE THIS SLIVER OF LAND AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE, THIS, THE SOUTH 14TH HERE WHERE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE OFFICE AND AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THAT'S A NATURAL TRANSITION, I THINK. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ALIGNS WITH WITH,
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CITY PLANNING LOOKS LIKE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          AND WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE OLD WOMEN'S CLUB OR FAT MAT ROOFING BUT THAT,
THAT LARGE PROPERTY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS BEING MEDIUM DENSITY THIS IS ESSENTIALLY REQUESTING FOR THERE TO BE A SLIVER OF,
OF RETAIL IN BETWEEN TWO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IF THAT'S ACCURATE, I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          AND THAT TO ME THAT MAKES, THAT DOESN'T MAKE AS MUCH SENSE AS THAT NATURAL FLOW THAT YOU
SEE RIGHT NOW FROM RESIDENTIAL INTO THE COMMERCIAL ZONES THERE ON SOUTH 14TH. AND SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT SOME OF THE OTHER
HOMEOWNERS IN THAT AREA SAY ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT REALLY JUST THE UNKNOWN, RIGHT? I, WE GOT TO HEAR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS TODAY
WHERE THERE WAS VERY SPECIFIC PLANS FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE GOING THERE. AND THAT'S EASIER AS A CITIZEN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT
IMPACT MIGHT BE WHEN THERE IS THOSE PLANS. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD EXACTLY WHAT THAT PLAN IS. 
          AND I THINK BRAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE ONCE IT'S CHANGED,
IT CAN, OVER TIME BECOME ANYTHING. 
          AND THAT LACK OF THAT UNCERTAINTY IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER
A DENIAL OF THIS. 
          THANK YOU MISTER. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS? YES, SIR. YOU GOT TO COME TO THE MIC, THOUGH. I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M RON INGRAM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE. 
          CAN I CHANGE MY ZONING REQUEST TO PDD. AND THEN I KIND OF SYMPATHIZE WITH THESE PEOPLE. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON. I JUST WANT TO SELL
THE PROPERTY AND A P D, D WOULD ALLOW, I THINK, PLANNING AND ZONING TO DETERMINE. 
          NO, SIR. NORMALLY A PDD WOULD YOU'D WORK WITH THE CITY TO TO BASICALLY CREATE A BASE
ZONING. 
          IT'S NORMALLY A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT ZONING. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING DEVELOPMENT. 
          ON, ON, ON A PROPERTY THIS SIZE, I, IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK A P, D D IS NECESSARILY UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC
YOU WANTED TO DO THAT WAS OUTSIDE. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN DO A P D ON ANY PROPERTY AND,
AND THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO LIMIT WHAT COULD GO THERE. 
          BUT IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT, HE WOULD WANT TO GO,
WE WOULD HAVE TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH. 
          YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE COULD MAKE UP ONE OF THOSE FROM THE BENCH,
BUT. 
          BUT YOU POTENTIALLY COULD GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE PLANNING OFFICE. LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO
PULL YOUR MOTION AND COME BACK AGAIN AND APPLY YOU COULD WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND BE LIKE, HEY, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS WE WANT TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY TO GO IN HERE. WELL,
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY INTEREST BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S ZONED. 
          YES. UNDERSTOOD. SO IT'S KIND OF A CHICKEN AND EGG. 
          YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK. YES, SIR. YEAH. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS TABLE THIS
AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTIFY. WE'D HAVE TO START OVER. 
          START OVER. OKAY. YOU CAN. WELL, YEAH. NO, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING.
ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WITH THE NOTICE, YOU CAN ONLY GO LESS INTENSIVE. 
          THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY OPTIONS WITHOUT NOTIFICATION. 
          AND A PD IS NOT THAT. NO. NO PD WOULD. AND I DON'T THINK A PD IS APPROPRIATE FOR A
PROPERTY OF THIS SIZE, ESPECIALLY WITH NOT KNOWING. WELL THAT'S EXACTLY YOU KNOW,
I WOULD COME BACK AND THEN I'D HAVE TO ASK THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CAN I. AND WE NORMALLY, SIR, I'LL TELL YOU,
WE NORMALLY SEE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD. 
          THEY'RE EITHER SOMEBODY WANTING TO CHANGE SOMETHING TO TO SELL IT,
OR SOMETIMES THEY'RE THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO BUY IT WHO'S TRYING TO TAKE IT THROUGH. 
          AND SO I DO THINK THERE'S A CHANCE POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD,
IF YOU HAVE A BUYER, THAT PERSON CAN COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT THERE. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORS WOULD KNOW. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE IT. 
          HOWEVER, I'M NOT SAYING LIKE YOUR MOTIONS BEFORE US TODAY AND WE WILL MAKE A CALL ON YOUR
MOTION TODAY. 
          [02:10:03]
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER TODAY, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD IF WE APPROVE IT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO APPEAL, IF WE WERE TO DENY IT,
IT WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          I UNDERSTAND. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING FLEXIBLE. 
          ALSO. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS
MATTER? ALL RIGHT. HE JUST WANTED TO COME UP AGAIN TO SAY IT WAS FOR SALE. 
          IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE,
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER, OR ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS FROM JUST A TRANSECT THEORY OF MOVING FROM RESIDENTIAL INTO
COMMERCIAL TO RETAIL. 
          YOU HAVE CATCLAW CREEK KIND OF AS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE WOMEN'S CLUB,
WHICH WAS LARGELY USED AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THEN THE COUNTRY TITLE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CREEK, AND THEN RETAIL STARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
THAT. 
          THE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC SLOWING DOWN AS WE MOVE INTO RETAIL IS,
IS A RELEVANT CONCERN. 
          I DO THINK SO. THE OTHER CONCERN IS JUST THAT WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGING THE ZONING
WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND I'M ALL FOR THAT, IF A I'M GOING TO USE A BAD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE,
WORST CASE, A VAPE SHOP OR ANOTHER MCDONALD'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MCDONALD'S. 
          IF IT'S ALREADY ZONED RETAIL, IT'S GOING TO BE EASY FOR THAT BUYER TO GET THEIR PROJECT
APPROVED. 
          AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF PROTECT THE TRANSECT,
WHICH IS THE TRANSITION IN ZONING. 
          AND SO I JUST THINK AN OPEN ENDED GENERAL RETAIL ZONING CHANGE WOULD I UNDERSTAND THE
RESIDENTS CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S OPEN ENDED. AND THEN A BUYER HAS ALL OF THE LAND USE THAT THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO US OR
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. 
          THEY JUST GO BUILD IT. CAN WE GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON MEDIUM
DENSITY? I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS FOR A SECOND. 
          AND THEN CAN WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL RETAIL FOR A SECOND? YOU'RE CERTAINLY BROADENING THINGS UP SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          QUITE A BIT. YEAH. MEDIUM DENSITY IS. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BIGGER. 
          IT'S PRETTY LIMITED ON WHAT CAN GO THERE. CERTAINLY COMMERCIALLY. 
          CERTAINLY COMMERCIALLY. YEAH. YEAH. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THESE ARE IT'S BACKING UP TO
RS12 AGAIN KIND OF A HIGHER END NEIGHBORHOOD. AND BOY, I SURE,
I SURE SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND I HEAR SOMETHING I APPRECIATED. I DO HEAR A, A DESIRE ON THEIR PART TO CREATE SOMETHING
COMPATIBLE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SALE, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING. MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE SPOT
ZONING. 
          I MEAN, IT IS IT IT DOES. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN,
YOU HAVE TWO RELATIVELY LARGE MEDIUM DENSITY PROPERTIES THAT ARE BUFFERING WHERE THE REST OF THE TYSON'S POINT WHERE THE REST OF THE RETAIL STARTS. 
          I CERTAINLY DO THINK RETAIL IS APPROPRIATE ALONG SOUTH 14TH BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC,
BECAUSE OF THE IT BEING A MAJOR, MAJOR ROAD. I ALSO THINK THE CITY WOULD WORK IN REGARDS TO MAKING SURE THERE'S NOT TOO
MANY ROADS. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS INTO A,
TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NOT DONE IN A SAFE WAY. 
          SO THAT THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN IN APPROVING IT BECAUSE THAT,
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S TO BE DEALT WITH LATER. 
          AND SO I, I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. I DON'T, I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT TO
SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. 
          SO. YEAH. I THINK ALSO LOOKING AT THE. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT,
BRAD, THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE WOULD BE SPOT ZONING TO CHANGE THIS TO A. AND I THINK IT'D BE A DIFFERENT DEAL IF WE HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT
MIGHT GO IN HERE. 
          YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. ADAM IF I MAY INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT HERE. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FORMER WOMEN'S BUILDING. 
          WOMEN'S WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS AN OFFICE AS WELL AS A CHURCH
WHICH WOULD GENERALLY FOLLOW THE STANDARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          SO YOU THINK THIS IS MORE IN FLOW WITH WHAT'S NEXT DOOR? 
          [02:15:03]
YES. DID THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THAT CHANGE? THE WOMEN'S CLUB, A CHURCH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          BUT FOR THE OFFICE, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T. OFFICE COULD FALL UNDERNEATH THE MEDIUM DENSITY.
IT IS ACCESSORY TO THE CHURCH ITSELF. 
          OH, THE OFFICE IS ACCESSORY TO THE CHURCH ITSELF. 
          OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD HAVE ALMOST EXPECTED THIS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          IT DOES LIMIT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT TO ME BUT YOU KNOW,
I MEAN THAT'S NOT THE ZONING REQUEST BEFORE US. 
          SO THERE'S NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THAT. IS IT ALSO BEING USED AS A ROOFING OFFICE? YES. AND A CHURCH OFFICE. YES, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE SO WHAT WHAT WAS THE QUESTION BEING USED AS A ROOFING OFFICE AND A CHURCH
OFFICE. 
          IT'S A WE'RE WORKING THAT OUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE WITH THE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION. 
          OKAY. THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT THE, THE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION TAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF
THE USE AND THE OFFICE THAT THEY'RE RENTING TO. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, FAT MATS SIGN IS A SMALL PORTION. 
          SO IT'S A BIG BUILDING THAT'S AN ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY. ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY. YES,
SIR. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT ONE THING TO CONSIDER IF THE IF THE OWNER WAS AGREEABLE IS THAT YOU CAN DOWNGRADE THE DOWNGRADE THE REQUEST IF THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER WOULD WANT. 
          TO A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS. 
          BEING HOW SMALL THE PROPERTY IS, THAT'S ALSO GOING TO LIMIT WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LESS THAN AN ACRE AND THE ODD SHAPE AND SOME FLOOD THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO
DEAL WITH. 
          THAT'LL ALSO LIMIT THE WHAT CAN EXACTLY GO THERE AS FAR AS HOW BUSY THE PLACE IS GOING? MAKES IT MORE LIKELY TO BE AN INSURANCE COMPANY,
RIGHT. RATHER THAN A REIT, A STARBUCKS. 
          YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CHICK FIL A. IT'S TOO SMALL. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STACKING DISTANCE. THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT. 
          BUT IT WOULD LIMIT LIMIT IT AND IT WOULD BE A DOWNGRADE OF ZONING THAT THAT COULD BE
RECOMMENDED IF THE OWNER WOULD WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO HIM IF HE DEPENDS ON WHAT HE WANTS. 
          HE OWNS THE PROPERTY. YES, SIR. SO THAT WOULD BE CAN WE CALL HIM BACK UP HERE? YES, SIR. WE'LL OPEN UP. BACK UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. SIR,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          YOUR MOTION IS BEFORE US. RELATED TO THAT. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS POTENTIALLY FROM THE
PLANNING OFFICE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE MORE PALPABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE IF IT WAS TO BE ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, WHICH LIMITS THE HOURS. 
          IT KIND OF IT KIND OF MAKES THE TENANT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO IN THERE,
BE SOMEONE THAT'S MORE LIKE, LIKE THE THINGS AROUND IT RELATED TO THE HOUSING. 
          IT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH A LOT OF THE THE SMALL DOCTORS OFFICES OR LAWYERS OFFICES OR
ACCOUNTING OFFICES THAT NOW EXIST ALONG SALES KIND OF RIGHT NEXT TO. 
          AND SO, BUT IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO,
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. CAN I SAY WHAT'S ALLOWABLE IN IT? SO THAT'S WHERE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          WILL YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? SORRY. THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES FOR IN OR IS THAT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          YES SIR. AND AND THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE DO HAVE IS AGAIN GO BACK TO TABLING THIS AND
GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO IF WE TABLED IT, IS IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL, TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH US IN A MONTH? OKAY. BUT BUT, SIR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THAT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. 
          WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN TABLE IT OR YOU CAN DOWNSIZE TO THE N
R, BUT WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS OR YOU CAN DO NOTHING OR YOU CAN PUT FORWARD A VOTE
ON WE'LL VOTE AND IT'LL GO TO COUNCIL. 
          YES, EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY APPEAL. I THINK I'D PREFER TO TABLE IT AND AND COME BACK TO
LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE IT'S AN AWFUL BIG DECISION FOR ME ANYWAY. 
          NO DOUBT 100%, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. BUT IT'S ALSO A MONTH DELAY,
IF THAT, SIR. 
          IT'S ALSO A MONTH DELAY FOR YOU, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          SO. OKAY. KELLY, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO,
TO TABLE IT? YOU CAN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IN A SECOND. 
          ONCE THE. AND THIS IS JUST FOR HIM TO HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOUR INTENT WOULD BE OKAY AS LONG AS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. EXPLAIN EXACTLY. SO ONCE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING,
ONE OF US WILL LIKELY MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          THIS WILL GIVE YOU A MONTH TO TALK WITH STAFF,
AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY TO CONNECT WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND YOU CAN EITHER BRING BACK THE EXACT SAME MOTION THAT YOU HAVE. AND AFTER EXAMINING
YOUR OPTIONS, YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I WANT TO DO, OR YOU'RE WELCOME TO BRING IT BACK AND POTENTIALLY DOWNGRADE IT TO SOMETHING LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD
RETAIL. 
          WELL, LET'S JUST DO NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AND SEE IF THAT WOULD FLY WOULD HELP YOU SELL. 
          YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CONSIDER AS WE DISCUSS. 
          SO OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU SIR. 
          [02:20:02]
SOUNDS GOOD. LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU SIR. GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE JUST
CHANGED THE ZONING REQUEST. ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME DISCUSS THE
CONSIDERATION OF IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL? I THINK THAT ALL THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPTIONS THAT THE
LANDOWNER HAS. 
          THE, I THINK A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS APPLY. YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF
PEOPLE THAT COME TO THIS, THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO SELL IT AND THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO,
THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BOUGHT IT AND ARE TRYING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IT ZONED FOR. 
          THE LATTER SOUNDS AS A, AS A RESIDENT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT MORE APPEALING WHEN I'M
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD WANT TO VOICE TO THIS COMMITTEE. IS,
IS AGAIN, NOT JUST HOPING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS WITH SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND SHIFTING
JUST TO NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, WHILE THAT LIMITS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT COULD BE IT'S STILL,
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF UNKNOWN. 
          AND, AND ALL THE CONCERNS THAT I EXPRESSED IN SOME OF OUR. 
          SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS THERE EXPRESSED, I THINK STILL STAND DESPITE THAT CHANGE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. YES, SIR. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE A CONVERSATION. 
          ARE Y'ALL GOING TO CHANGE THE ZONING REQUEST TODAY TO GENERAL OR TO NOT GENERAL RETAIL? SO SO ONE OF THE OPTIONS A LANDOWNER HAS IS TO POTENTIALLY OR ALSO COUNCIL OR THE
COMMISSION HAS IS TO CONSIDER DOWNGRADING A REQUEST. AND SO A DOWNGRADED REQUEST FROM GENERAL RETAIL WOULD BE SOMETHING
LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL WHICH HAS LIMITED HOURS, LIMITED FOOTPRINT, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HE IS HE IS EXPRESSED THAT HE WOULD BE
OPEN TO US CONSIDERING THAT AS THE OPTION. 
          AND SO THAT IS WHAT ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING,
WE WILL BE CONSIDERING. 
          SO WITHOUT ANOTHER PUBLIC NOTICE. YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY WHETHER TO. 
          YES, SIR. SO WHAT WE END UP DECIDING TO VOTE ON WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL,
AND THE CITY COUNCIL COULD DECLINE IT. 
          THEY COULD AGREE. WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN DOWNGRADE IT WHILE WE'RE HERE. 
          YES, SIR. ANYTHING A LESSER OFFENSE? YES, SIR. 
          JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. WHAT IS CONSIDERED IN NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL? I WILL TURN TO OUR OUR PLANNING PLANNING OFFICE. 
          TRYING TO PULL THAT UP RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW. WE KNOW THAT. 
          DO WE HAVE A WAY TO PUT IT UP THERE? DO WE HAVE A WAY TO PUT IT UP HERE. 
          DID WE HAVE DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER MOTION TODAY THAT HAD NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL? DID WE HAVE A
SLIDE THAT HAD NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL TODAY? AND SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST I CAN I CAN READ OFF THE LABEL USES MR.. MR. LITTLEJOHN WILL READ OFF WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED IN
NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          THERE'S A BED AND BREAKFAST DUPLEX INDUSTRIAL HOUSING UNIT. 
          INSTITUTIONAL MULTIFAMILY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          ONLY SINGLE FAMILY IS ALLOWED. HOTEL MOTEL IS ALLOWED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
ACCESSORY AND INCIDENTAL USES ARE THE NORMAL ANTENNAS, ATMS, DAYCARE OPERATIONS. 
          HOME BASED DRIVE THRU FACILITY. OH I'M SORRY. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T REALIZE I WASN'T IN THERE. 
          THE ACCESSORY AND INCIDENTAL USES OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. 
          ANTENNA. NONCOMMERCIAL AMATEUR ATMS. DAYCARE OPERATION. 
          HOME BASE. DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          FIELD OFFICE WHICH HAS A TEMPORARY PERMIT. FUEL SALES WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          I THINK YOU ALL ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRIMARY USES OTHER THAN THE ACCESSORY,
BECAUSE THE ACCESSORIES WOULD BE TO THE PRIMARY, THE CULTURAL WOULD BE CIVIC, SOCIAL AND FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS,
CULTURAL FACILITY WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GETTING IT PULLED UP HERE SO I DON'T HAVE TO READ EVERY ONE OF THEM.
RECREATION OUTDOORS, PASSIVE RECREATION AND COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT INDOORS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          GOVERNMENT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE USES OR A FIRE. 
          POLICE STATION. MEDICAL. DENTAL LABORATORY. POST OFFICE. 
          SOCIAL SERVICE FACILITY. AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS,
WHICH ARE ALLOWED ANYWHERE ART SCHOOL, CHURCH OR PLACE OF WORSHIP, DAY DAYCARE, OPERATIONS,
CENTER BASED SCHOOLS, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. 
          OKAY, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK IN A MONTH AND DO THIS ALL OVER
AGAIN. 
          YES, SIR. IF YOU WANT TO OBJECT, OKAY. OR YOU'RE ALSO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER LETTER SENT. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER LETTER SENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IF YOU'RE DOWNGRADING, YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY. 
          [02:25:03]
BUT IF YOU. AND THEN AND THIS WOULD GO TO, TO TWO COUNCIL HEARINGS. 
          IF IT'S A PAST OR THE OWNER CAN APPEAL IF IT'S NOT PASSED,
IF THE OWNER WANTED TO MAKE A MORE INTENSE REQUEST, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE NOTICED AND WE WOULD HAVE TO START OVER. 
          WE HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN NOW SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE. 
          HERE ARE THE OPTIONS NOW. SO IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A CHANGE. 
          IT'S JUST THE HOURS. IT TENDS TO BE LESS INTENSIVE TYPES OF RETAIL. 
          IT THE PRIMARY TIMES IN MY, IN MY EIGHT YEARS OF BEING ON,
ON THE COMMISSION, THE PRIMARY TIMES THAT WE'VE SEEN IT HAVE BEEN FOR LIKE A MEDICAL, LIKE A MEDICAL OFFICE THAT JUST HAS LIKE ONE,
ONE PHYSICIAN. 
          IT'S BEEN ACCOUNTING OFFICES, LAWYERS OFFICES. 
          IT'S BEEN TRADITIONALLY, I'VE SEEN IT USED ON PLACES THAT USED TO BE HOMES. 
          AND THEY'RE CONVERTING THAT HOME, THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE HOURS OF USE AROUND THAT HOME. 
          BUT IT TENDS TO BE ON PLACES LIKE SAILS OR SOUTH 14TH,
WHERE THERE ARE HIGH TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO WANTED TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THEM. AND THAT'S JUST FROM EXPERIENCE. THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT. SO IT
STILL COULD BE. IT STILL IS IS OPEN TO MORE THINGS. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT. YES. 
          I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE A RESTAURANT. COULD BE A RESTAURANT. 
          IT DOES, IT DOES HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT LIMITS THE HOURS. IT LIMITS THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING TO 15,000FT². 
          SO IT, IT'S INTENDED TO CREATE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT,
A LITTLE A LITTLE A LITTLE MORE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 7 TO 7 A.M. 
          TO 11 P.M., CORRECT? I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO OPPOSE AND DENY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO EXPRESS OR DISCUSS THIS MATTER? YES, MA'AM. I'M SUZANNE CASEY AND MY HUSBAND'S ALREADY SPOKEN. 
          WE LIVE AT THE POINT OF THAT TRIANGLE. AND THE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED,
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO READ OVER THIS YET, BUT IT SAYS FUEL SALES. I DON'T WANT A GAS STATION BEHIND ALL OF THESE HOMES THAT WILL BE
OPEN UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF LIGHT. YES, MA'AM. A LOT OF TRAFFIC,
A LOT. 
          PARDON ME. I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS LISTED. IF THEY HAVE A C NEXT TO
THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE. 
          OKAY. AND SO THAT'S LIKE THE FIRST THREE MATTERS WE HEARD TODAY WERE THINGS THAT MAYBE
GENERALLY ARE ALLOWED, BUT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT THING. 
          AND SO IF THEY WERE TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY OR THEY HAD SOMEBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN
PUTTING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE AND SAY,
WE WANT TO PUT IN A GAS STATION THERE. 
          AND SO, SO APPROVING IT TODAY DOES NOT MEAN A GAS STATION COULD GO IN THERE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER WHOLE TIME. OKAY. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN NOW, BUT. YES, MA'AM. 
          IT'S ON OUR. OH, OKAY. IT SHOULD BE ON OUR SCREENS,
THE WHOLE LIST. 
          BUT BUT ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE SEIZED NEXT TO THEM WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER LAYER OF NOTICE
COMING BACK AND SAYING, WE WANT TO EXTEND THE PERMITTED ONES ARE THE KIND OF TIGHTER ONES. 
          THE CONDITIONAL USE ONES REQUIRE THAT EXTRA LAYER,
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH LIGHT POLLUTION THERE IS IN YOUR BACKYARD, OR HOW MUCH NOISE. EVEN IF IT'S CONDITIONAL COULD IT BE SOMETHING,
COULD SOMETHING BE APPROVED THAT WOULD BRING THOSE THINGS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA IS WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          THIS IS THIS IS LONG. YES IT IS. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOR
GENERAL RETAIL. 
          APPLICANT IS OPEN TO US CONSIDERING NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AS WELL. 
          ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR ANY MOTIONS. 
          ON ANY OF THE MATTERS. FOR ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER THERE COULD BE A GOOD RETAIL
CONCEPT. 
          IT'S ABOUT RETAIL BEING THE CORRECT ZONING WITH RESPECT TO TRANSECT DYNAMICS ASSOCIATED
WITH MOVING FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA INTO COMMERCIAL,
INTO RETAIL. 
          AND I THINK THAT CAT CLAW IS A DIVIDING LINE FOR THAT. 
          AND I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY. OKAY. 
          IS THAT A MOTION TO DENY THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION OR ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO TALK? I'M JUST WANTING TO TALK ABOUT IT. ANYBODY ELSE? TO ME, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL IS KIND OF INTENDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BUFFER ZONE. 
          IT'S INTENDED TO BE A RETAIL. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS ON AN ARTERIAL STREET THAT
ONLY FRONTS ARTERIAL. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER ACCESS TO THIS THAN OFF OF AN ARTERIAL STREET. 
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HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RETAIL IN THAT SITE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY,
WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT BEEN OCCUPIED SINCE 1953, WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO RE I THINK REZONING,
IT'S EVIDENT THAT THE SIMPLE FACT THAT IT HASN'T SOLD THAT ITS CURRENT ZONING IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE USAGE. 
          SO I AM IN FAVOR OF DOWNGRADING TO NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          I THINK IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS SITE. I SECOND. 
          WELL, SHANTI AGREES WITH YOU. WAS THAT A MOTION OR. 
          IT WAS NOT YET. I WANTED TO LEAVE. YEAH. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE I,
I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND, I EMPATHIZE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT PLAY IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE
SOME SOME REALLY GREAT HOUSES, GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA AND HOW YOU TRANSITION THAT OR HOW YOU MAKE THAT WORK FROM
FROM THAT SPECIFIC. 
          AND WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE, IT'S HEAVY RETAIL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE TRANSITIONALLY WHEN THAT'S MY BACKYARD TO A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET
AWAY AND WE'RE, WE'RE INTO HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND HOW TO MAKE SENSE OF A PROPERTY LIKE THIS. 
          I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. AND AT THE SAME TIME,
WE, MR. INGRAM IS WORKING TOWARD MAKING, MAKING SOMETHING WORK HERE. 
          AND WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF DOWNGRADING FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO
NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE STILL STILL SAYING THAT DOESN'T WORK. 
          I DON'T I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT PROCESS AS A COMMISSION. 
          AND JUST GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE THE WOMEN'S CLUB THERE AS WELL AND THE USAGE OF THAT
PROPERTY, IT'S NOT REALLY BEEN OPERATING AS A MEDIUM DENSITY OCCUPATION FOR A LONG TIME. 
          IT'S IT'S BEEN A MUCH BUSIER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM A MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ADJACENT DIRECTLY ADJACENT. 
          THEREFORE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO DOWNGRADE THE ZONING REQUEST TO
NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          AND I SECOND THE MOTION AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          KEVIN WITH THE FIRST SHAUN T WITH THE SECOND ON THE MOTION TO. 
          APPROVE AS NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. MR.. STRASSER. 
          NO. MR.. HOUSE. YES. MISS KYKER? NO. MR. HALLIBURTON. 
          YES. MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SYKES. YES. AND MR. BENHAM. YES. SO IT'S FIVE TWO. OKAY. IF YOU CAME TODAY,
IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL ON OUR MOTION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. 
          IF YOU STILL HAVE OBJECTIONS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME ESPECIALLY TO THAT SECOND CITY
COUNCIL MEETING WHEN IT WILL BE DISCUSSED AND A PRESENTATION WILL BE MADE BASED ON THIS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, THEY ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON,
ON THE MATTER. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN IS
ZONING CASE 2026-40 RECEIVER REPORT. 
          HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO
CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 1627 AND 1613 MUSGRAVE BOULEVARD. ADAM. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. ADAM HOLLAND, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ABILENE. I'LL GIVE THEM A SECOND
JUST TO. 
          YOU'RE LOSING EVERYBODY. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING. 
          JUST LOST OUR ATTORNEY. OH, LET'S HOLD UP FOR A MOMENT. 
          OH, YEAH. YES. OH, SHE WAS JUST BEING NICE AND OPENING THE DOOR. 
          YEAH, SHE'S ALL RIGHT, ADAM. THIS CASE Z 20 2640. 
          THIS IS REPRESENTED BY JACOB MARTIN. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF
APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS LOCATED AT 1613 MUSGRAVE. HERE IS AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP OF THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THIS IS KIND OF AT THE INTERSECTION OF MUSGRAVE AND INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 20
THERE. 
          HERE IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES CURRENTLY TO THE EAST. 
          THERE IS SOME AOE WITH A COUPLE OF PDS AS WELL SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. 
          THOSE ARE GENERALLY ZONED R GR RETAIL TYPE USES USES THAT SURROUND IT ARE SOME HOTELS TO
THE NORTHEAST 
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WITH THE LOWE'S TO THE NORTHWEST AND THE HOOTERS TO THE NORTHWEST AS WELL. 
          HERE ARE SOME SUBJECT VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS VACANT WITH THE
HOOTERS JUST BEING TO THE, TO THE WEST THERE AND THE NORTHEAST THERE IS A COUPLE OF HOTELS AND JUST NORTH. 
          THERE'S SOME MORE RETAIL TYPE PROPERTIES. PREVIOUSLY A WENDY'S AS WELL. 
          HERE ARE THE USES PERMITTED IN THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN ZONING DISTRICT. 
          HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          WE DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION IN FAVOR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THEIR ZONING CHANGE. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? TAL FILLINGIM,
AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS OF LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS GOT BOTH UNDER CONTRACT. 
          ONE WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED WHEN MUSGRAVE BOULEVARD WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED. 
          ONE WAS LEFT OUT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. NONETHELESS,
MY CLIENT HAS GOT BOTH OF THEM ARE UNDER CONTRACT READY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. 
          OBVIOUSLY IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO I-20 AND AT A HARD CORNER,
MUSGRAVE BOULEVARD GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS, IN MY OPINION, APPROPRIATE LAND USE. AND SO WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN. 
          THOSE PDS BASED GENERAL BASED ZONING, THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL PROBABLY. 
          AND BOTH THOSE. I DON'T KNOW. YES. HONESTLY,
I CAN'T QUITE REMEMBER ALL THE HISTORY ON THAT. 
          THAT WAS BACK AROUND 2000. GENERAL COMMERCIAL UP THE STREET. 
          I WOULD JUST THINK OF WHAT'S DEVELOPED AROUND THERE. THAT COMMERCIAL. 
          I THINK IT WAS CONNECTED TO THE LOWE'S GOING IN. 
          THERE WERE JUST A VARIETY OF USES AT THE TIME,
AND DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, PDS WERE MORE PREVALENT THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, QUITE HONESTLY. THEY WERE THE COOL THING TO DO. 
          THEY WERE THE COOL THING TO DO. AND SO BUT YES,
THE USES WITHIN THAT PD ARE COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. 
          YEAH. SO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. 
          YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TOWN? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS OR
MOTIONS? I THINK THIS MAKES TOTAL SENSE. YEAH. I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND. SECOND. TYSON WITH A SECOND. GOT IT. TYSON CAME IN. 
          YES, MR. HOUSE. MISS KIKER, MR. HALLIBURTON. YES,
MISS LEWIS. 
          YES. MR. SEITZ. YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          ZONING CASE 2026-41. RECEIVE A REPORT, DISCUSSION,
AND PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.32 ACRES FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVIER COMMERCIAL. 
          LOCATED AT 2202 BUTTERNUT. GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M CARA,
THIS IS Z 2020 641. 
          THE REQUEST IS FROM THE AGENT TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 0.32 ACRES FROM HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL, LOCATED AT 2202 BUTTERNUT STREET. HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL LOCATION MAP. 
          THE ZONING MAP, WHICH. THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL. 
          HERE ARE VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          PERMITTED USES IN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING. PERMITTED USES IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL. 
          NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT A 200 FOOT BUFFER. 
          WE DID RECEIVE THREE IN FAVOR AND ZERO IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE SURROUNDING USES IN ZONING GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA FOR
APPROVAL IN THE LDC STAFF RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WHEN IT WAS OPERATING AS ABILENE ELECTRIC
MOTORS. 
          THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF RETAIL OUT OF THERE. WAS THAT IN VIOLATION OF THE HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL. 
          OR WAS IT. SO IT'S BEEN THE APPLICANT HAS RECENTLY BOUGHT IT AND IS WANTING TO MAKE IT A
RESTAURANT OR NICO'S. 
          GOTCHA. OKAY. AND THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT PERMITTED IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING. 
          GOTCHA. SO DOWN ZONING FOR POTENTIAL RESTAURANT. 
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YES. OKAY. AWESOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          KIRA. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS MATTER? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY MOTIONS OR
DISCUSSION. 
          I'M ALL ABOUT ANOTHER RESTAURANT, I THINK. SO IS THAT A MOTION? THAT'S A MOTION. OKAY. MOTION APPROVED. CHRISTIAN. 
          CHRISTIAN MOTIONS TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. KEVIN WITH A SECOND. 
          MR.. STRASSER. YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS. KIKER. 
          YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. MISS. LEWIS. YES. 
          AND MR. BENHAM? YES. ALL RIGHT. THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM. 
          SORRY IF YOU HAD TO WAIT TILL THE END. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          ZONING CASE 2026-42. RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE ACTION
ON THE REQUEST FROM THE OWNER. 
          TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 7.59 ACRES FROM A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          PD D FIVE THREE TO OFFICE LOCATED AT 6550 DIRECTORS PARKWAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS CASE Z 2020 642. THE AGENT IS JUSTIN ALLEN. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM APPROXIMATELY 7.59 ACRES FROM A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO OFFICE ZONING LOCATED AT 6550 DIRECTORS PARKWAY. HERE WE HAVE THE AREA LOCATION MAP. THE ZONING MAP. 
          HERE ARE VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY. 
          PERMITTED USES IN OFFICE ZONING. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT IN 200 FOOT BUFFER. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. 
          THIS SHOWS ME THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. GENERALLY ACCEPTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND THE CRITERIA
FOR APPROVAL IN THE LDC. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIRA? THE EXISTING PD IS OFFICE. 
          YES, WITH HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND I SUSPECT THAT IT WAS THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE
THE ISSUE. 
          SO THEY WANTED TO GO UP TALLER. SO THERE'S 3030FT TWO STORY RESTRICTION CURRENTLY. 
          AND FOR TWO STORY. YEAH. OKAY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP ON THAT THAT ONE THERE. 
          FUNERAL DIRECTORS. YEAH. GREAT. YEAH, I SEE THAT COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I'M SURPRISED I'M NOT HERE. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JUSTIN ALLEN, ARCHITECT WITH KATKO ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS. 
          AGENT FOR THE OWNER. FDLIC. F ENGAGED US A COUPLE MONTHS AGO FOR SOME MASTER PLANNING ON
THEIR PROPERTIES AROUND THERE. 
          CURRENTLY, THEY ARE APPROACHING 400 EMPLOYEES AT JUST THIS LOCATION. 
          AND THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL FACILITIES ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE FOUND OUT ON THE PD D THAT WE HAVE THE TWO FLOOR 30 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. 
          AND SO JUST TO ALLOW THEM TO OPEN UP THEIR FULL POSSIBILITIES. 
          LET THEM GROW, LET THEM EXPAND. WE'RE LOOKING TO TRANSITION FROM A PD TO,
TO THE OFFICE SPACE. 
          YEAH. MAKES SENSE. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAKE SENSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS. 
          WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS? SEEING NO ONE,
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I THINK IF THEY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS OFFICE ORIGINALLY,
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS OFFICE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE APPROVED AS OFFICE TODAY. AND THERE'S BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE THAT ARE TALLER AND MORE STORES. 
          AND IT'S OPERATING AS AN OFFICE. YEAH. SO I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO KEVIN,
WITH THE FIRST SECOND SHAUN T WITH A SECOND. 
          MR. STRASSER? YES. MR. HOUSE. YES. MISS KIKER. 
          YES. MR.. HALLIBURTON. YES. MISS LEWIS. YES. MR. SIPES? YES. AND MR. BYNUM. YES. WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU ALL. ESPECIALLY TO THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE AT THE VERY END. WE APPRECIATE
YOU STICKING AROUND.
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