Mar 24, 2020 Landmarks Commission

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>>> WE WOULD LIKE TO INFORM EVERYONE PRESENT THAT THE COMMISSION MEETS IN CORMS WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION IS SET FORWARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN SECTION 1171 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS IS A RECOMMENDING ADMISSION. ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST AND APPROVAL OR DENIAL BY THIS COMMISSION. OUR OVER ALL PURPOSE IS TO ADMINISTER CITY CODE FOR THE PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF CITY LANDS DEEMED TO BE OF A HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL VALUES. WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THE MINUTES.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT NEXT TIME SINCE THAT ONE DOCUMENT WAS NOT MADE PUBLIC.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT NEXT TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE AGENDA ITEMS.

[2. Appointment of District Standards Committee and Other Subcommittees of The Landmarks Commission]

LANDMARK LANDMARKS COMMISSION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M THE PLANNING SERVICES MANAGER AND REALLY WHAT THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT OF THE NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE COMMITTEES. BASICALLY YOU WOULD JUST MEET WITH THREE OR LESS FROM YOUR --

FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THIS NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE. >> HAVE THEY DIVIDED --

>> NO, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DIED YOURSELVES. >> WE'RE NOT ALL HERE TODAY.

>> YOU CAN MOVE TO TABLE UNTIL WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE OR YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT THEM.

>> CAN WE DO THAT THROUGH E-MAIL? >> NOT ONLY.

>> WE CANNOT? WE HAVE THOSE COMMITTEES BEFORE -- I THINK YOU WERE STILL

ON THE COMMISSION WENT WE DID THAT. >> I THINK IT WAS DID WE ONLY HAVE TWO? WAS IT JUST NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE?

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]? >> WHAT WERE THEY? >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> WE USED THOSE COMMITTEES A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT THAT'S ALL. WE ONLY -- WE WERE DIVIDED INTO COMMITTEES. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THAT PAPERWORK WAS DONE.

AT LEAST TEN YEARS, PROBABLY SINCE WE WERE ALL DIVIDED. >>

BEEN A LONG TIME. HOW MANY COMMITTEES DO WE NEED? >> IT WAS ESTABLISH WITH THE NORTH DAKOTA AND THE SOUTH SIDE COMMITTEES BUT IF YOU WANTED TO ADD OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES THAT IS

WITHIN YOUR POWER TO DO SO. >> HOW FAR YOU WANT TO DO IT. DO WE WANT TO DECIDE SOMETHING

RIGHT NOW? >>

MICROPHONE, -- EXCUSE ME. >> RIGHT. THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THE MEETING TODAY, IT'S HARD FOR ANYONE TO HEAR UNLESS WE'RE RIGHT IN OUR MICROPHONES TODAY.

>> WE MIGHT WAIT UNTIL THE DUST SETTLES. WE'RE IN A NATIONAL SITUATION,

PLUS THIS. >> SO WE CAN HAVE THE FULL COMMISSION HERE.

HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS ON THE COMMISSION NOW? >> WE HAVE SEVEN.

>> CAN WE APPOINT ALTERNATES TO THOSE COMMITTEES? >> YOU CAN.

BUT THERE'S SEVEN OF YOU AND YOUR ALTERNATE IS YOU CAN HAVE THE TWO ALTERNATES THAT WE HAVE ALSO ADDED TO THOSE COMMITTEES AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MEET WITH THREE OR MORE.

>> THREE OR MORE OR MAR THAN THREE? >> SO THREE OR LESS IS WHAT

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MEET. >> SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, IS THERE A NEED FOR THOSE COMMITTEES TO BE SET UP CURRENTLY? SHOULD WE ASSIGN PEOPLE AND VOLUNTEER RIGHT NOW AND GO AHEAD AND SET THEM UP? OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO TABLE?

WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? >> IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF YOU WANTED TO APPOINT THAT -- THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT THE NEXT LAND MARKS COMMISSION MEETING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE EITHER. IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE AND WAIT THAT WOULD BE OKAY, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ASSIGN THOSE IT COULD BE BROUGHT UP AT A LATER TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO CHANGE SUBCOMMITTEES IF YOU IF U WANTED TO.

BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE EITHER WAY. >> MIGHT BE USEFUL TOOL OF THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE DECISIONS IN THE PAST FROM THOSE COMMITTEES GOING TO BE GOING OUT

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I DON'T KNOW. >> IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE MAKING THE DECISION, LIKE WITHOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT, THEN YOU KNOW, IT IS WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S ABILITY

TO TABLE AND WAIT. >> SO JAMES IS MISSING -- WHO ARE THE THREE THAT ARE MISSING

RIGHT NOW? >> JAMES AND THEN WE HAVE SYDNEY, WHO IS AN ALTERNATE, WE

HAVE MORGAN WHO IS AN ALTERNATE. >> IS THAT ALL. >> I HAVE THE ROSTER THERE.

MR. BUTTMAN DO YOU HAVE THE THE ROSTER? >> I'LL PASS IT DOWN THIS WAY

THERE SHALL. >> JOHN SCOTT. SO JOHN AND JAMES WAGSTAFF ARE THE ONLY FOUR COMMISSIONER THAT ARE NOT HERE RIGHT NOW, AND SYDNEY.

>> LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND ASSIGN THOSE RIGHT NOW, AND PEOPLE VOLUNTEER.

AND THEY WANT TO SWITCH WHICH COMMITTEE THEY'RE ON, CAN WE DO THAT AT A LATER POINT? IF WE WANTED TO MOVE SOME PEOPLE AROUND MICHAEL, WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TOCK ON THE NORTH SIDE?

>> METRO PLEASE. >> SOUTH SIDE. >> AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THEN -- SYDNEY -- LET'S PUT JAMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

I KNOW SOME PROJECTS THAT HE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT, COMES IN THE SOUTH DOWNTOWN AREA.

LET'S JUST PUT -- SO THAT'S THREE -- SO THERE'S -- WE HAVE ONE, I'LL HAVE ONE EXTRA.

>> I'M ASSUMING NORTH SIDE VERSUS SOUTH SIDE SPLITS THE RAILROAD TRACKS?

>> I THINK SO. THAT'S HOW WE HAD IT LAST TIME. FOR RIGHT NOW LET'S PUT SYDNEY AND SCOTT ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOO. LET'S PUT FOUR ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

>> OKAY AND RECOLLECT THEN JUST SO -- >> SHOULD WE DO THE ALTERNATES?

ALSO ASSIGN THEM? >> YOU CAN, BUT THE FOUR ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT YOU MENTIONED, THERE WOULD ONLY BE THREE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO MEET AT ANY ONE.

SO AS LONG AS THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES KNEW THAT AND THE SAME WITH ALTERNATES.

>> LET'S SEE. LET'S PUT MORGAN ON THE NORTH SIDE FOR RIGHT NOW.

AND OUR OTHER -- SO IT WAS ALSO SYDNEY WAS AN ALTERNATE. THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY, SO I THINK EVERYBODY IS ASSIGNED. >> FOR PURPOSE OF BEING LEGAL, THE ALTERNATES COUNT AS FULL MEMBER, IN OTHER WORDS NO MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE CAN

CONGREGATE. >> CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE EXTRA THOUGH, BECAUSE IN THE PAST WENT WE'VE GONE ON THESE, IT'S USUALLY LIKE WE WOULD GO ON A LITTLE -- ALMOST A MINI-TOUR, THREE OF US WOULD GO ON-SITE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, USUALLY AN OWNER OF HISTORIC LAND OWNER WANTED SOME ADVICE ABOUT IF THEY NEEDED TO BRICK SOMETHING FORWARD TO LACKED LAND MARKS AND WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THIS MANY IT WAS HARD TO GET EVEN THREE PEOPLE AT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOME EXTRA PEOPLE.

MELISSA, DID YOU GET THOSE DOWN? >> YES, MA'AM. >> SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON

THIS? >> YES. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVE THAT WE AMOVE THE SELECTED LIST. >> I'LL SECOND.

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>> OKAY,. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE

APPOINTED TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE COMMITTEES. >> .

[3. CA202002: Receive a Report and Hold a Discussion and Public Hearing on a request from 401 Pine Apartments, LLC, Mr. Horacio LeDow, agent, for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install new windows, paint storefront, and replace front entrance double doors.]

>>> THE NEXT ITEM IS CA 2020-02, RECEIVE A REPORT AND HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST FROM 401 PINE APARTMENTS LLC. MR. HO RATIO DOW AGENT FOR SIGNIFICANT PROMOTE NECESSARY TO INSTALL NEW WINDOWS, REPLACE STORE FRONT AND PLACE DOUBLE

FRONT DOORS. THE STAFF REPORT. >> YES, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS NICK BONDS AND I SERVE AS A PLANNER FOR THE CITY'S PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SPOT I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS CASE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IS 401 PINE APARTMENTS L WEST COAST WITH THE AGENTS.

THE ISN'T PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 401 PINE STREET. IT'S INCORPORATED BOTH LOTS SEVEN AND EIGHT, LOT 41 OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF ABILENE. THAT'S A TAX INCREMENT [INDISCERNIBLE] NUMBER ONE. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THIS LOCATION MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS

HIGHLIGHTEDDED AND STRIPED IN YELLOW. >> YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS ZONING MAP THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND ARE ALSO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH PINE STREET BEING A MINOR ARTERIAL. THESE ARE PHOTO SUBJECTS OF THE PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 13,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND IT'S IMPROVED WITH ABOUT 107,000 SQUARE FOOT, TEN STORY HIGH-RISE APARTMENT BUILDING. THE WIND ZERO APARTMENT BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1927 AS THE HILTON HOTEL. IT WAS FUNDED BY 13 ABILENE BUSINESS MEMBERSHIP, CONSTRUCTED BY ARCHITECT DAVID S. CASTLE AND LEASE BY ON RAD HILTON OF HILTON HOTELS.

THIS TEN STORY RECTANGULAR LIGHT TAN BRICK BUILDING DESIGN REFLECTS BOTH ITALIAN AND NEO-CLASSICAL ARCHITECTURE. THE BUILDING'S SECOND AND NINTH FLOORS HAVE A SUMMER BAND OF STONE DECORATED IN CREAM COLORED TERRACOTTA WITH REMAINING BRICK WORK CONSISTING OF SEVERAL SHADES OF TAN AND BEIGE. THE MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS APPEAR TO BE WOOD, THE CARAMEL STYLE SINGLE HOME WINDOWS PAINTED IN DARK GREEN. THE BUILDING'S FIRST FOUR WINDOWS CONSIST OF MULTIPLE TRANSOM WINDOWS WITH VIOLATION REPORT TALL GRILLS ALSO PAINTED IN DARK GREEN. THESE ARE SUBJECTS OF THE WINDOWS THAT NEED TO BE EITHER REPAINTED OR REPLACED. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE DUE TO EXTREME ELEMENTS OF THE WEST TEXAS SUN. THE PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT ARE ACTUALLY INTERIOR SHOT PHOTOS. THE TOP RIGHT APPEARS TO BE COVERED IN DOESN'T TAPE TO PREVENT DRAFT AND CHIP PAINT AS WELL FROM WATER AND SUN DAMAGE. THIS IS THE STORE FRONT.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE THE STORE FRONT WASN'T ACTUALLY FULLY REMODELED AND THERE'S MIXED MATERIALS ON THERE AND IT HAS NOT BEEN PAINTED. AND THEN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS THIS -- THE FRONT DOUBLE DOORS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE REPLACED.

>> WHEN YOU SAY FRONT, ARE YOU SAYING THE PINE STREET SIDE OR THE --

>> I BELIEVE IT'S THE NORTH STREET SIDE. >> THE BUILDING HAS TWO MAIN

ENTRANCES. >> ENTRANCES BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ACTUAL FRONT ENTRANCE WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING

THROUGH. >> ANYTIME YOU GOT AN ACTIVITY ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE

BALLROOM, THEY COME IN ON THE NORTH SIDE, IS THAT -- >> OKAY.

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DOCUMENTS WITHIN SIX MONTHS THE APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHALL EXPIRE.

THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST AN EXTENSION PROVIDED A COMPLETE PUBLIC OR REQUEST OF EXTENSION IS SUBMIT AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE EXPIES. AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A SAMPLE OF THE WINDOW HERE AND IS SUBMITTED FOLLOWING THIS A POWER POINT PRESENTATION ON WHAT IS TO

BE DONE. >> SO STAFF IS NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME

UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION. >> CORRECT. FROM THE APPLICANTS.

>> OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE -- IS THAT IT? >> IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME

OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. >> OKAY.

WELL, QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT, WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE PUBLIC --

>> YES. >> WE'LL CLOSE THE STAFF MEETING AND OPEN THE MEETING TO THE

PUBLIC, AND THE APPLICANT WE HAVE ON TELECONFERENCEING. >> HO RATIO?

>> WE HAVE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> HI.

THANK YOU. >> APOLOGIZE BUT WE CAN'T SHOW THE POWERPOINT BECAUSE THAT WAS

NOT PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC. >> IT WASN'T PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC

SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE NEW STANDARDS OF THE LAW. >> OKAY.

SO I'M SORRY, PART OF THE STANDARDS OF THE -- [INDISCERNIBLE] I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SHOW YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> OKAY. YES. [INDISCERNIBLE] THE WINDOWS YOU'RE SEEING IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE WANT TO RECREATE THE EXACT WINDOWS THAT EXIST IN THE WINDSOR. SO IT'S A TAN VINYL WOOD FRAME THAT'S GOING TO WITHSTAND THE ELEMENTS OF ABILENE. CHANGING THE COLOR FROM DARK GREEN OR BLACK AS IT WERE, DEPENDING ON THE KIND OF WINDOW TO TANKER WILL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT WINDOW FOR 20 YEARS. WE INTEND TO SPEND UPWARDS OF $350,000 ON THESE WINDOWS IF NOT MORE DEPENDING ON HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO INSTALL THEM, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LAST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS WITH WOOD, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE TECHNICALLY MORE HISTORICAL, THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE TYPE OF INSULATION THAT THIS BUILDING NEED.

FORTUNATELY THIS IS A BUILDING THAT HAS A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH IT CAN CHARGE FOR RENT, AND ULTIMATELY WE PAID FOR THE ELECTRICITY FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS NOT METERED INDIVIDUALLY. SO THE ELECTRICITY BILLS PER SELLER, THE LAST THREE YEARS HAVE EXCEEDED $100,000 PER YEAR. SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET A TYPE OF WINDOW THAT PROTECTS AGAINST THE ELEMENTS AND INSULATES THE BUILDING PROPERLY. IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT PRESENTATION I'VE SHOWN SOME EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS DESIGNED BY DAVID CASTLE THAT ORIGINALLY STARTED OFF DARK WINDOWS AND THEN THE SAME REASONING WENT INTO CHANGING

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THE ROOF ALSO DESIGNED BY DAVID CASTLE JUST TWO YEARS AGO AFTER THE WIND SO R WAS DESIGNED WITH TAN WINDOWS IN MIND, AND CURRENTLY THE PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE YOU SHOWS TAN WINDOWS THROUGHOUT ALSO SHOWING VERY CLEAN LOOK. AND LASTLY THERE'S ANOTHER HOTEL DESIGNED IN THE SAME SPIRIT AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE WINDSOR ALSO STARTED OFF AS DARK WINDOWS AND NOW SPORTS TAN WINDOWS. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE THE EXACT DESIGN AND LOOK OF THE WINDOWS JUST IN A DIFFERENT COLOR AND DIFFERENT MATERIAL AND HOPE TO KEEP THE GREEN ELEMENTS, THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR AS GREEN.

SO ANY KIND OF PEDESTRIAN OR DRIVE BISTANDARD THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE HOTEL WILL STILL BE PRESERVED. IT'S JUST THAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ESPECIALLY THE UNITS WITH SOUTHERN AND WESTERN EXPOSURE ARE GETTING ADVERSELY AFFECT BID THE ELEMENTS.

AND THEN AS YOU KNOW THE WINDOWS ARE JUST PART OF A MAJOR RENOVATION THAT WE'RE DOING TO THE WINDSOR AND WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY AND WE ARE INTENSIVELY REP ECING EACH UNIT, LIGHTING ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITH MODERN HACK ACCENTS, HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE VARIOUS MOLDINGS, HISTORICAL ELEMENTS OF THE INTERIOR. WE PLAN TO EXTENSIVELY REMODEL THE LOBBY, FURNISH AND ACTIVATE SEVERAL RETAIL LOCATIONS [INDISCERNIBLE].

WE WANTED A COFFEE SHOP AND A BARBERSHOP ALL IN THE SPIRIT OF IT BEING THE WINDSOR.

I'VE SHOWN SOME OF THEM THE PRESENTATION THAT I SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE EXAMPLES OF THE COFFEE BAR DESIGN AND SEEKING THE VARIOUS LOCAL MERCHANT HERE TO BE COFFEE PURVEYOR AND EVERY ASPECT OF THE WINDSOR WILL BE RENOVATED IN IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ALSO PURCHASED THE OLD PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE WINDSOR FROM FIRST FINANCIAL, AND WE HAVE STARTED RENOVATIONS ON THAT. WE TOOK OUT THE WINDOW COVERINGS THAT WERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS, AND PLAN ON PUTTING WINDOWS, LANDSCAPING AND ULTIMATELY CREATING A FULL SECOND FLOOR OF EITHER MEETING SPACE OR OFFICE SPACE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND THEN LASTLY WE ALSO PURCHASED TWO LOTS BEHIND THE GARAGE THAT WE HAVE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WHEREBY WE WILL PROVIDE SPACES FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION FOR THE DURATION OF OUR OWNERSHIP OF THAT LAND AND OR IT'S TERMINATED IN A CHAPTER THREE AGREEMENT.

[INDISCERNIBLE]. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY REIMAGINING THE WHOLE BLOCK BETWEEN PARK STREET AND WALNUT BETWEEN FOURTH AND FIFTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BUILDING WHICH SITS FALLOW ON THE CORNER OF FOURTH AND FIFTH AND PARK. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YES, SIR, CAN YOU HEAR OUR QUESTIONS? >> SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BEFORE THE SUMMER MONTHS HIT IS TO BEFORE WE START RENOVATING THE UNITS BECAUSE IT

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WE CONTRACTED [INDISCERNIBLE] TO DO THE UNDERPASS OF THE TRAIN, AND THEY CAME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED NOT ONLY FROM THE CITY BUT ALSO FROM PRIVATE [INDISCERNIBLE]. SO WE HAVE ALREADY RIGHTED THE TREES IN THERE AND THEY LOOK GREET. GREAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO REFURBISH THE BALCONY AND ADD SOME FLAGS AND [INDISCERNIBLE] TO THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD FULL GROWN LIVE OAKS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BALCONY BUT ALSO ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE GARAGE BOTH ON FOURTH STREET SIDE AND THE [INDISCERNIBLE] SIDE.

>> HORATIO CAN YOU HEAR THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? >> .

>> I CAN'T SO FAR. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, I CAN.

>> OKAY, CAN YOU TALK MORE -- SO THE GREEN PAINT, WE NEED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE MORE ISSUES.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE GREEN PAINT. IS IT GOING TO BE -- ARE YOU GOING TO GET REALLY CLOSE TO THE GREEN PAINT THAT'S ON THE STORE FRONT, THE FIRST FLOOR THAT'S

CURRENTLY THERE? >> YES. WE'RE ALREADY TAKING CHIPS THAT ARE ALREADY FALLING OFF AND GETTING A PAINT CHIP AND GOT A MATCH, AND WE PLAN TO TREAT THE WINDOW, FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR AND MATCH THE GREEN PAINT IDENTICALLY OR AS CLOSE TO

IDENTICALLY AS WE CAN. >> OKAY, THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. AND TELL US ABOUT THE DOOR REPLACEMENT. WE NEED TO HEAR YOU DISCUSS THAT.

>> THE DOOR SPACE, REPLICAS OF THAT DOOR, THE WOOD MATERIAL, OUR MARIJUANA CONCERN -- MAIN CONCERN, ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WE'RE LOSING BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS CURRENTLY IN SPACE [INDISCERNIBLE], THEY ARE CHILDRENNING VERY BADLY BUT WE INTEND TO REPLACE OR REFURBISH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS IDENTICAL TO WHAT THEY ARE. IN FACT THE BALK -- BALCONY DOORS ARE WHITE AND THEY SHOULD BE GREEN, SO WE PLAN ON REPLACING THOSE DOORS WITH THE EXACT SAME DIMENSION AND WOOD, PAINTING THEM GREEN SO THE ENTIRE FACADE IS IN THAT GREEN

COLOR. >> OKAY. IS THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

>> REPLACING THE WINDOWS, IS THERE A WINDOW SEAL THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED, THEN WHY YOU PUT

IN THESE WINDOWS OR IS IT ALL JUST ONE BIG UNIT? >> IT'S ONE BIG PIECE AND THEN THE SILL ON THE LOWER PORTION WILL BE [INDISCERNIBLE] WITH VINYL IN THE SAME COLOR AS THE WINDOW SO THAT AGAIN, IT PROTECTS AGAINST THE ELEMENTS. SO WHAT I NEED TO HEAR IS THAT EVERYTHING IS MEANT TO LAST 30 TO 40 YEARS VERSUS WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH THAT, ONLY ABOUT A 15 YEAR LIFE, SHOULD BE A -- AND ANECDOTAL ELEMENT, THAT EVEN NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE DONE IN VINYL IN BLACK OR DARK COLORS START TO PEEL OFF AFTER ABOUT TEN YEARS AND NEEDS TO BE EITHER

FIXED, RECLAD OR REPLACED. >> THIS PART OF THE REMODELING, WILL YOU BE UPDATING THE

INTERIOR FIRE ESCAPES? >> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT?

>> AS PART OF THE REMODELING WILL YOU BE UPGRADING, BRINGING UP TO CODE THE INTERIOR

STAIRWELLS OF THE INTERIOR FIRE ESCAPES? >> WE WILL DO -- I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE UP TO CODE, I'M NOT SURE. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY GUIDANCE AS TO WHERE THEY SUBSTANTIATE WITHIN STAND WITHIN THE CODE BUT WE PLAN ON TOUCHING EVERY ASPECT OF

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THE BUILDING. >> I KNOW THE BUILDING PEOPLE PROBABLY KEEP ON YOUR TRAIL

PRETTY HEAVY. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN ARCHITECT TO TAKE US THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PORTION OF IT SO THAT THE GUIDANCE THAT WE RECEIVE SHOULD BE AS UP TO THE MINUTE AS POSSIBLE.

>> THE REASON I ASK THAT THE LATTICE IN THE WINDSOR SOME OF THESE DOORS TO THE INTERIOR STIR WELL WERE NOT FIRE RATED BUT LIKE YOU SAY THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

>> YES, YES. >> SO MR. LA DELL ARE THE WINDOWS IN THE STORE FRONT AND THERE ARE THE BIG WINDOWS OF THE STORE FRONTS AND THEN THERE'S THE SMALLER INSTALLATIONS ABOVE THAT. IS THAT ALL GOING TO STAY THE SAME? IT'S JUST GOING TO GET REDONE, REPAINTED BUT THAT YOU THAT GLAS GOING TO STAY ON THE LOWER STORE

FRONTS? >> ALL THAT GLASS IS CHIPPED OR BROKEN SO WE WILL ADDRESS THE PIECES THAT ARE BROKEN WITH GLASS THAT MATCHES THAT. BUT AGAIN, THE WOOD ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR ARE IMPORTANT TO US FOR MAINTAINING AN EYE LEVEL AND STREET LEVEL HORRIBLE SIGNIFICANCE. AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO NOTICE -- PEOPLE SOMETIMES DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GREEN. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IT'S BLACK BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE, SO OUR INTENSE IS TO RESTORE THE WINDOWS IN WOOD AND REPLACE ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE BROKEN. AND KEEP THE ONES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE HISTORICALLY

SIGNIFICANT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE -- IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO -- IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. LA DELL? IS THAT THE BULK OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE

TO PRESENT TO US? >> I THINK THAT'S THE GIST OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY TO YOU, WE JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT WE ALL OF COURSE, LOVE THE BUILDING AND FEEL HON FORD TO BE PART OF THE RESTORATION PROCESS BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME FINANCIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO WORE ABOUT BECAUSE OF OTHER IT WOULD BE TOO PRIMITIVE TO REMEDY AND TO OPERATE.

I THINK THE MAIN REASON WHY THE OWNERS HAD SUCH A DIFFICULT TIME OPERATING THE BUILDING IS THAT THE 100,000 PLUS ELECTRICITY BILL WAS EXTREMELY POINTIVE TO THEIR EFFORTS.

BUT I THINK WE CONVEYED EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO CONVEY. >> HOW MANY WINDOWS ARE GOING TO

BE REPLACED? JUST A NUMBER? >> 404.

>> MR. BUCKMAN DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, THE ORIGINALS ARE 93 YEARS OLD, SO THEY'VE GOT A GOOD TRACK RECORD.

WE HAD APPROVED AT ONE TIME ON THE OLD WALL DROP BUILDING TO REWORK THE WOOD WINDOWS AND THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE THERE. SO HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT OR CAN YOU TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THIS VINYL WINDOW SAMPLE THAT , WHAT KIND OF LIFE SPAN WE CAN EXPECT? I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO LAST THE 93 YEARS, WHAT'S THERE, BUT ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU TALK ABOUT

THIS VINYL WINDOW A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> SURE.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THE WINDOWS HAVE NOT HELD UP WELL AT ALL.

THERE IS DECAY AND DETERIORATED RAPIDLY. I THINK EVEN IN THE 25 YEARS THAT THE WINDSOR WAS REMODELED THE TECHNOLOGY FOR WINDOWS HAS JUST SKYROCKETED AND JUST PURELY ON ENERGY CONSERVATION, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL BE INLATED WINDOWS WITH GAPS IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS NOT ONLY WOULD SAVE PROBABLY $60,000 A YEAR IN ELECTRICITY COSTS BUT ALSO

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ESPECIALLY ANYTHING FROM A TENTH FLOOR HEIGHT THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON ON LEAVING THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE FIRST FLOOR TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTINGS OF THIS BUILDING, BUT AS WE WORK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR HAVE TREES AROUND THEM AND OTHER BUILDINGS LIKE THE POST OFFICE TO THE SOUTH AND THE FIRST FINANCIAL BUILDING TO THE WEST THAT CREATE SHADE. SO THE ELEMENTS DO NOT PUT THOSE WINDOWS INTO -- [INDISCERNIBLE] YOU CAN SEE EVEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WINDOW IS SEVERELY DECAYED AND CAUSED AN EFFORT TO GET THOSE WINDOWS RESTORED. IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO REPLACE THEM [INDISCERNIBLE]. JUST A REFURBISHMENT OF THOSE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS BUT WE ADDRESS THE WIND AND HAIL ARE AFFECTING THOSE RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO OPEN THESE WINDOWS AND IS THERE A SCREEN THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO OPEN THE WINDOWS FROM INSIDE THEIR APARTMENT IF THESE ARE INSTALLED?

>> ALL OF THE WINDOWS WILL BE [INDISCERNIBLE] IN SO FAR THAT THEY'RE THREE TO FOUR INCHES.

ANYTHING HIGHER WOULD PRESENT A LIABILITY AND THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED RULE THAT WINDOWS ABOVE THE FOURTH FLOOR [INDISCERNIBLE] IF THEY OPENED UP IT WOULD BE ANY USE OTHER THAN TO [INDISCERNIBLE] OR GOD FORBID TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES. BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE THE OPEN FOUR INCHES AND CHOOSE TO NOT MAKE THEM -- AS THEY ARE NOW. THEY ARE NOW COMPLETE SEALED.

>> ACCORDING TO STANDARD SIX OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, IF THEY INTEND TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS THE NEW FEATURES SHALL MATCH THE OLD IN DESIGN, COLOR, TEXTURE AND OTHER VISUAL QUALITIES WHERE POSSIBLE. COUPLE CASE STUDIED THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, A SIMILAR APARTMENT STYLE COMPLEX BUILT IN 1927, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME THIS WAS BUILT, THE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED IN VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCHED THE SIMILAR CHARACTERRICS OF THE REEVE WINDOWS. SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> SO THIS IS -- >> IT'S ALL VINYL, THERE'S NO WOOD IN THE CENTER -- YOU MENTIONED THE VINYL CLAD WOOD.

>> VINYL CLAD WOOD ESSENTIALLY THE INTERIOR WOULD BE WOOD AND THE EXTERIOR WOULD BE VINYL.

SO THEY'RE CLADDED TOGETHER. >> SO NOW THIS ONE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF

THE INTERIOR, CORRECT? FOR REPLACEMENT -- >> I'M NOT SURE, BUT IN PREVIOUS

CASES VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOWS WERE PERMITTED. >> BUT THIS IS ALL VINYL.

>> THIS IS ALL VINYL, I BELIEVE. >> SHOW THE EXTERIOR, THAT'S NOT A SAMPLE OF THE WINDOW, IT'S A SAMPLE OF THE CERTAIN MATERIAL THAT THE GLASS AND THE EXTERIOR TO THE VINYL CLAD WOOD SHEETROCKS AS LONG AS THERE'S VINYL ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE COST ISN'T PROHIBITIVE.

AGAIN THE ISSUE IS REALLY THE ELEMENTS THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND OF COURSE THE COST.

>> IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOW AND A VINYL WINDOW?

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>> IF THEY RUN STRICTLY ALL VINYL THEN THE INTERIOR OF THE WINDOW WOULD BE VINYL AS WELL PAINTED IN A SIMILAR COLOR. IF IT WAS TO BE VINYL CLAD WITH WOOD THE INTERIOR SIDE WOULD BE

WOOD AND THE OUTSIDE WOULD BE VINYL. >> DID YOU SAY VINYL?

>> EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU SAY VINYL, MATERIAL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE?

>> THE CASING, YES. >> WHAT KIND OF PLASTIC IS THAT? I KNOW VINYL IS A GENERAL DESCRIPTION BUT WHAT KIND OF -- YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND FEEL IT --

>> THIS IS NOT VINYL CLAD, THIS IS VINYL. >> THIS IS A VINYL WINDOW AND THEY ARE BEING CHANGED BECAUSE IT IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO ROW PLACE IT WITH A VINYL.

MAYBE VINYL CLAD WOOD WOULD BE ELEVATING THE PRICE LEVELS BUT THAT'S ALL --

>> I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, YOU'VE GOT -- YOU'RE STARTING TO HAVE AS MUCH PROBLEM ON THE INSIDE AS YOU HAVE ON THE OUTSIDE, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL --

>> UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE WOOD ROT FROM WATER AND JUST BECAUSE THE EXTERIOR OF THE WINDOW, THE HEAT AND RETAIN THE HEAT AND ELEMENTS BETTER DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T GET VERY HOT.

[INDISCERNIBLE] I'M SURE RIGHT NOW ASKING ABOUT THE VINYL WINDOW IS THAT THEY GET AFFECTED BY HEAT. IT'S JUST NOT AS MUCH AS WOOD. BUT YOU STILL GET AFFECT -- THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING FACES SOUTH WITH NO OBSTRUCTIONS AND THE HEAT IS INTENSE AS YOU ALL

KNOW. >> AND THE COMPONENTS OF THE NEW WINDOW THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED THOSE ARE DOUBLE PANE GLASS -- THEY'RE INSULATED DOUBLE PAIN WINDOWS.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT YOU SEE THIS ACTUAL WINDSOR. SO THERE'S ONE FIFTH CLASS AND ONE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, OPERATAL GLASS THAT WOULD, IF YOU WANTED TO, WOULD GO UP TO FOUR INCHES IN HEIGHT TO MAKE THEM [INDISCERNIBLE] FOR SAFETY REASONS.

>> IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. LA DELL? >> BUT CURRENTLY YOU'RE

PROPOSING ALL VINYL, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL VINYL IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN ANY KIND OF WOOD WINDOW. THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THE BUILDING [INDISCERNIBLE] FULL OCCUPANCY WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW EVEN IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO OUR APPRAISAL IS STILL VERY LOW. SO THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE WANT TO DO TO THE BUILDING WE WANT TO SPREAD OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE RON VEGAS PACKAGE THAT TOUCHES EVERY ASPECT OF THE BUILDING SO WE CAN REIMAGINE WHAT THIS BUILDING WILL UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF BY THE FORMER OWNERS AND THERE IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY SINGLE [INDISCERNIBLE] IN THIS BUILDING NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THAT'S ABOUT $300,000 BECAUSE IT WASN'T MAINTAINED.

THE BOILER HAS ALREADY REPLACED. $25,000. EVERY SINGLE PART OF THIS BUILDING I CAN SUBMIT TO YOU, THE REPORT BY A VERY ROUNDING IN AND CONSULTING FIRM OUT OF DALLAS THAT PROVES THE BUILDING WAS VERY BLEAK. AND SO WEARIFUL JUST STRUGGLING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE CITY RIGHT BY DELIVERING [INDISCERNIBLE].

AND BECAUSE YOU YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THEM ALL. THE EXPENSE FOR THE WINDOWS IS

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BY FAR THE GREATEST EXPENSE. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU MR. LA DOW. AND WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THIS

FOR DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE PAINT COLORS STAYING THE SAME IS WONDERFUL.

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE EXACT REPLICAS OF THE DOORS SO THAT IS REALLY CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE.

SO WE ALMOST DIDN'T HAVE TO -- BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, ACTUALLY WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO REVIEW BECAUSE THEY ARE KEEPING THEM EXACTLY THE SAME AND THAT'S CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE.

THE REAL ISSUE SATELLITE NEW IS THE NEW WINDOW INSTALLATION, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> WELL, THE FIRST WORD OF VINYL WINDOWS, I CRINGE BUT SINCE THIS ONE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, AND IT SEEMS VERY WELL MADE, I THINK I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.

AND THEN ALSO I THINK YOU CAN CLEAN BOTH SIDES OF THE WINDOWS FROM INSIDE.

I THINK IT HAS THAT FLIP DOWN THING WHERE YOU CAN CLEAN BOTH -- IT FLIPS AROUND AND SO ANYWAY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO -- FOR THE WINDOW WASHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> JAMIE? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTSES? >> I WILL TELL YOU FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN'T TELL SOMETIMES WALKING UP TO A HOUSE WHETHER IT'S WOOD OR VINYL. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU FROM BEING A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT TENANTS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PROPERTIES LIKE THEIR THEY'RE OWN.

SO INGOING WITH AN ALL VINYL WINDOW IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOLD UP BETTER THAN SOMETHING LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE OUTSIDE BEING VINYL AND THE WOOD ON THE INTERIOR.

SO MY VOTE WOULD BE FOR ALL VINYL. >> MICHAEL?

>> DID COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >> DO THEY HAVE EXTERIOR -- THEY

HAVE STORM WINDOWS THAT ARE METAL? >> YES, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE EVEN IF THEY APPLIED STORM WINDOWS OVER THAT THEY'RE SO DETERIORATED OP BOTH SIDES, THEY'RE REALLY WICKING -- AND ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THOSE CURRENT WINDOWS PROBABLY ARE A LEAD HAZARD AS TO THOSE RESIDENTS.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THERE'S NOT SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PAINT ON THOSE WINDOWS AND THAT THAT IS PROBABLY A LEAD HAZARD. I BET YOU IF THEY HAD THEM TESTED AND THERE'S PAINT EVERYWHERE ON IN THOSE PHOTOS, CHIPPING PAINT. USUALLY I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF VINYL WINDOWS EITHER. I HAVE SEEN THINGS EVEN IN ABILENE THAT ARE POWDER COATED, LIKE WE POWDER COAT BLACK OR DARK GREEN, EVEN THOSE THINGS FADE FAIRLY FAST IN ABILENE BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A HARSH SUN AND JUST HARSH TEMPERATURES IN THE SUN IN THE SUMMER.

SO EVEN THOUGH THAT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE, I DON'T THINK I'M OPPOSED TO IT THIS ONE TIME.

AND IT IS A BIG INVESTMENT AND THAT BUILDING HAS NEEDED SOME MAINTENANCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IT IS TRUE THAT THE FORMER OWNERS SEEMED TO STRUGGLE TO KEEP THAT BUILDING UM UP-TO-DATE AND MAINTAINED. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO -- USUAL I I WOULD BE PROBABLY PRETTY OPPOSED TO VINYL WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN A HOUSE WHERE IT'S NOT VERY MANY WINDOWS BUT

THIS IS A REALLY BIG TICKET ITEM. >> 404 WINDOWS.

>> YEAH, THAT IS A BIG -- >> IF HE GETS THOSE WINDOWS PUT IN FOR UNDERTWO HUNDRED DOLLAR A

PIECE HE'S LUCKTY AND THAT'S $800,000. >> AND AS A RESIDENT IF I WAS

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THAN A ROTTING WOOD WINDOW. >> HERE'S GOING TO DO SOME, ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE INSIDE.

I WONDER HOW MUCH REWIRING HE'LL HAVE TO DO. >> SOUNDS LIKE HE'LL HAVE TO DO

SOME -- >> TALKING ABOUT THE HEAT PUMPS, ANYWAY.

I DON'T OPPOSE THAT. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION? >>IVELY MOVE TO APPROVE THE

VINYL WINDOWS. >> AND I'LL SECOND. >> .

VINYL WINDOWS IS APPROVED. >> MR. LA DOW, CAN YOU HEAR US? IS HE STILL WITH US? YOU CAN CALL HIM -- OKAY. SO THE PAINT, THE DOORS, THAT'S ALL GOOD AND WE'VE APPROVED THEIR VINYL WINDOWS. ANY OTHER BUSINESS? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED

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